Why Hertz is Dumping Tesla
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- Why Hertz is Dumping Tesla
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Renting out EV's that don't have a full charge is a really dumb idea.
facts
The really dumb idea is not having chargers at the rental station before you acquire all these EV’s
And not training their staff.
fully charged EVs sitting in the sun will get hot and their batteries deteriorate extremely badly, basically damaging them.
@@DonLee1980 "Extremely", you say.
Hertz gave me a rental that was supposed to be fully charged. It wasn't and no change stations on I95. Never again
ooops
Never again.... Strong statement 😂 I guess you're not cut out for adopting new technology.
@@vector006”never again” can also be taken for a figure of speech.
Depending on his age, I doubt he literally means truly never again. Just until they figure their shit out
@vector006 Not all tech is NEW, and not all MEW tech is GOOD tech. But you have to be tech and common sense savvy, instead of a trend humping consumer.
See how that works?
I find it VERY hard to believe that there were no 'change stations' on I95 anywhere near your route unless Hertz gave you an 80% discharged battery and then yeah that's on them and on you for not noticing it before you drove away with it.
Hertz really didn't help themselves with the whole arresting customers things either. The right to repair thing is also really hurting Teslas. Not allowing aftermarket parts has really restricted people working on them.
Teslas are not designed with much consideration for repairability.
I agree 💯 if you purchase a vehicle you should have the right to make modifications. That was the virtue of GM in the old days.
I was wondering if I imagined that whole “reporting returned cars as stolen” thing. Unforgivable
@@nicholasroman8071 Auto makers are trying to push the same model as video game companies. You do not "own" the game, you have the exclusive right to play as long as the company holds a license for it. Car makers are trying to push that you only hold a license for the software that makes the car run and anything you do to it voids the terms.
so.. how many times did Hertz have cops arrest their customers? How did that happen? They claimed customers "walked away" w/ their vehicles?
How did someone at hertz not do the research about charging before buying the cars. Someone needs to get fired
Coz all of them believe Gavin Newsoms stupid idea.
@@johnnyb.2355Wait, that light rail is set to start transport this decade…or the next. For sure by the after that one. 😂
I worked for Hertz back in the late 80’s and early 90’s. The fact that Hertz management failed to see this coming does not surprise me. I feel bad for the mechanics and other hourly employees who had to suffer through this boondoggle.
Why would hourly employees be suffering? They don't gaf... they're getting paid regardless. I swear way too many snowflakes out there
I agree, they do not even have mechanics for these EVs. 👍🏻
What?? mechanics don't care and hourly employees care even less.
@darrinito nawh it's the shop that's charging you an arm and a leg. Most mechanic would be happy making 30 an hour on labor. The dealers are only paying their mechanics low 20's. California market
The other thing that has been mentioned is you have to return a rental car back with a full tank of fuel or in the case of an electric car, fully charged. Most people won’t have time at the end of the rental period to sit for a hour charging the car.
That was not true a year ago, you could return with any level of charge
Do you know that rental companies actually expect that? Would tend to doubt it given they can just charge it at little expense compared to fueling a car back up with gasoline...
not true. I rented a model 3 multiple times from Hertz. used to be 20% now they ask for 80% charge.
If Hertz wanted to rent an EV as a luxury vehicle, they should have allowed them to be returned at any state of charge as part of the no hassle agreement. You have perfect stationary parking lots you could fill with Level 2 chargers to get the cars quickly ready for the next customer. The cost to the business would have been trivial for the amount of goodwill created.
It does seem unusual that all these non-rentable Model 3s are at 60-80k miles when the average 2 year old off-rent car for Hertz is still nearer to 30k miles. Comparing relative depreciation of these Teslas is apples to oranges for many reasons.
WRONG - it's because leftists keep keying the sh*t out of Tesla's and they can't afford all the insurance that it would cost for damage. The 2nd reason is ALL EV's can't sell other than Tesla and Blackrock doesn't like Elon Musk so since they own Hertz, they are turning their back. Also, customers do not want to get screwed on insurance due to them being keyed / vandalized. END OF STORY..
You really need a garage for an EV to make sense. Charging is too inconvenient otherwise. And most people don't have access to a garage when traveling/renting cars, so it's just not worth the hassle.
I always wondered how people living in apt complexes charge their cars. "110v extension cord"
Really just a driveway but yeah you need some infrastructure. A lot of hotels in CA have chargers in the parking lots now but I understand most states don't have that.
Having a public level 2 charger in walking distance of your house is also a good alternative! There's four of them just down the street from where I live.
@@LuckyLopez777 My cousin lives in a complex. Tesla Supercharger not far away.
Tesla's supercharger gets a full charge in just 35 minutes.
You plug in, go shop, come back, car's charged.
You then have to make it through the week on that charge - assuming you have a long range Model Y - about 295 miles worth after you factor in climate loss.
If you can get through a full week's commute, that's not bad at all.
I myself charge in my driveway. I have two houses here in NY with a Lectron V Box, a Lectron Portable Level 2 charger and a Cadillac brand Ultium charger.
Depends where you go. I rented a Model Y in Austin and had no problem charging. There was a Supercharger right next to my hotel.
I needed a 12-volt battery for my Tesla. Tesla would not sell me a battery. I would have to bring my car to a Tesla Service Center, and nearest one was 365 miles away, where they would do the work. Unbelievable. Same when a car backed into my front bumper when my Tesla was parallel parked. I had to go to an "approved" body shop. Nearest one was 270 miles away. 3-4 months to get simple body repair done. So much lost time from my business.
You can't just get a 12 volt car battery at your local Costco or Walmart and swap it in parking lot?
@@jptrainor No, the Tesla 12-volt battery is much smaller. I finally ordered a lighter, higher performance aftermarket battery. It arrived about a week later and I followed directions online to install it.
@@thewriter2549
Well at least now they have fixed the need to maintain the Low Volt battery. As now they are the 15.8 volt Li battery that is said to last as long as the High Voltage battery. So Kudos for that. But…
My new Tesla model Yp Li battery “flipped a bit”. My car was ONE DAY old and I was installed the electric Frunk Kit from EV’ Offer. They had sent the whirring harness with a miss wire which was blowing the fuse when I connected the ECU for the frunk kit. I didn’t know,the temperamental new Li low volt battery and its protection circuits. I thought it just died and I wanted a new one. So I called the then one day old service center and just like you, they would not sell me a low voltage battery. I was furious. I still maintain I will never buy another Tesla until they behave normally. They would not even sell me a wheel arch molding that the PPF installer had broken.
We’ll see if I will stick to my guns and never buy another Tesla as I do love to drive it and it is the safest vehicle for my precious cargo - 👶🏻x2
@@thewriter2549 I see. I didn't know that they had updated from regular lead-acid batteries.
@@bearlemley I can send an email to my local Honda dealer's parts department with a list of part numbers, they quickly reply with availability and a quote, I accept the quote, they send a payment link, and I pick up the parts a day or two later. It's good business for them because they have good margins on parts. It's never been different, except during the pandemic when there were some supply chain problems. For after market parts I go to RockAuto, place an order, and FedEx drop it off a few days later. That's the process for getting parts for my high mileage 2006 Civic and 2010 Odyssey, both owned since new.
Rented a 2023 Yukon SLT for a trip to New Mexico last week. Enjoyed the vehicle. I never even considered an EV.
Im renting the same this weekend for a ski trip
Great story. Thanks for sharing.
It happened a few times where I rented a normal car at Hertz and when I showed up, all they had were EVs. That’s not an option so I had to Uber to Enterprise. I’ve been using Enterprise ever since.
thanks for sharing
I'm a huge fan of Enterprise.
Only rent from Hertz if there's no other choice.
ive been renting from enterprise since I was 21, ill never use another rental company. even the enterprise in arkansas, customer service was excellent.
@@IIdankII I convinced our company to open a corporate account. One of the things that sold me is that the other rental companies will rent you a car when you get to their location, but Enterprise will pick you up and take you back home. We had a weekly trip scheduled and they dropped the car off at the curb in the morning in front of my house and retrieved it after we got back.
Make things easy for your customers and you get more customers.
@@ghost307 It's not as cut and dry as you're making it seem, at least in my area Enterprise's prices are more than 2 times higher than Hertz. For example I tried to rent a Nissan Leaf from them recently - according to the guy I talked to on the phone, one of the cheapest vehicles they rent out even against their gas cars - and it was a staggering $75 a day.
Meanwhile at Hertz I can rent a far superior vehicle (a Chevy Bolt EUV) for less than 31 dollars a day.
I don't care how much better Enterprise's customer service is, nothing's worth paying nearly triple for it.
What are rental companies in California going to do come 2035? Also, I worked 20 years in car rentals, including for Avis/Budget. Several vehicles would always be returned less than full...no problem, we had pumps right on the premises. A couple of minutes fueling and they were ready to go. And we all know charging an EV takes much longer, so how on earth would that work with multiple EV's being returned with less than 100% charge?
They will move out of CA
The empire won't last that long.
lol..i would think that by 2035, all the minor issues with ev batteries will be completely resolved lmfao
Auto manufacturers have to power to stop this EV nonsense. They could all just agree not to produce EVs. What is the government going to do? Tell every car manufacturer that they can no longer sell cars in America?
@@Crazy8ts they will be... Nat G will be kicking strong.
I rented several Model 3’s from Hertz to use for Ubering. First off, every one of the cars had issues. One car only had 35 miles on it, and I got pulled over the first day I was driving a passenger for a tail light out. Another car had a rattling overhead panel behind the moonroof….another car with less than 1K miles. Also, the moonroof in AZ in the summer gives off way too much heat, even with the tint. Renting the car cost $450/week plus I had to pay for charging. It’s very hard to make any money Ubering when you have to cover $600-800 a week just for the cost of the rental plus charging. They can blame the drivers for beating up the cars, but the cars were already pieces of crap from what I could see renting them from Hertz. I suspect most of the cars Hertz was getting were program cars and had already been used, many with production issues that were never repaired. I should mention, the cars were low range models, as well, so they only maxed out at 260 miles of range, which more accurately would equate to maybe 200 miles of driving. It should also be mentioned that most Hertz stores don’t have charging stations from what I experienced, so they relied on the drivers to return the cars with a sufficient charge to rent out to the next person. From my experience, the cars would rarely have even 80% of a full charge when I would pick one up from Hertz. That meant I might get 150-170 miles before I needed to charge again. Lastly, I finally decided it made more sense to just buy my own EV than pay almost $2K a month to rent one. I love my Kia EV6 with 310 miles of range. The quality and build blow away the Tesla Model 3. Every passenger that rides in it loves it. I love it so much more than any of the Model 3’s I rented. I’ll never own another ICE and would highly recommend the EV6.
Lets get a 5 year update on your Kia EV. See if you feel the same way.
I’ve been Ubering for almost a year here in Vegas, driving four different Model 3’s. I haven’t had any mechanical issues at all. I love the car. All my passengers compliment it. Charging is quick, easy and cheap here in Vegas. Plenty of Tesla Superchargers all around town. I pay about $480/week. Including charging. I love the Model 3, I hope they don’t quit the program.
@@TruckerJohn3 you had a lot different experience than I did here in AZ. I’ve been in the automotive industry for almost 30 years and the quality of the Model 3’s they had here was poor, at least from my experience. It was over a year ago, so maybe things have changed since. When you’re only getting about 200 miles of range out of a car, it was easy to have to charge at least once a day here. At around $25 per charge it was easy to spend around $150 per week on charging or more. I was paying over $450 per week for the rental, which included an extra charge for the full insurance coverage from Hertz, as I didn’t want to be responsible for even a windshield, which runs over $1K. You have to really drive your tail off to just cover the $600 per week that you’re spending on the rental and charging. As it stands now, as pay for driving has been cut, you’d have to drive around 30 hrs just to break even, so anything you make after 30 hrs of driving would be profit on a Tesla from Hertz. It made more sense to me to just buy my own EV. The savings more than makes the payment on the car. It made no sense for me to keep renting one, when I can own, have it paid for and save almost another $1K.
@@bradc1263 yeah, I’d say our experiences are quite different. I probably don’t drive nearly as much as you do. Most of my trips are short, mainly up and down the Strip and the surrounding areas. I usually only charge once a day, at the end of my shift after midnight. Usually only costs $5-6. As far as buying my own EV, I would like to do that but my credit isn’t so good right now, so I guess I’ll stick to renting for now.
Rent the same model 3 for a year, no issues but that noise is killing me , they never had available cars to switch and customer service is horrible!!!
I really hope that this move by Hertz encourages Tesla to make the repair experience better. They can't operate like a startup forever, and customers deserve a better experience...
I rented a Tesla in Portland, OR. Yes they are fast AF. Bells n whistles. BUT the lack of premium charge stations killed the deal for me permanently. I told Hertz never reserve a Tesla for me again. I barely made it back to the got damn airport/rental in time with enough battery left.
fun times
Hertz didn’t reserve a Tesla for you. You selected it
@@user-bmw528 incorrect THEY did reserve it for me. Portland trying to go "green" BS. So sorry son.. u wrong
@@benrichards9667Some people have more confidence than intelligence.
@@Cincy32Epic burn! Do I have your permission to use your post in a documentary I’m working on, titled Keyboard Cowboys?
When the guy blew up his Tesla in Norway, or wherever because it was too expensive to fix, that was a good indicator that there is a problem with owning them
It was in Finland. And he made a nice amount of money with the views on TH-cam.
What about the guy who blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in OK City? I suppose that was a good indicator to not live in Oklahoma...
@@T1Oracle i mean yeah "not living in oklahoma" is a good idea in general
And the guarantee?
@@T1Oracle whaaaat! damn, you guys are gay for Tesla it’s really sick, you guys probably fantasize about Elon musk raping you and you losers, begging for more. definitely something Freudian about the whole thing.
To this day I regret buying my 2020 model x for $100k+ .... the quality is poor, have to fit the trim, rubber gaskets several time. My 2011 honda never had these build quality issues. And have not hit my head while opening the rear doors.
At least you have 100k+ 😢😂
For 100k+ I'm buying a Mercedes or Porsche or BMW. No way Tesla.
@@dantebg100 if you want it long term Porsche or Lexus. The rest is just asking for maintenance hell these days.
man you crazy, but look like you have money so dont regret anything lol i woulda got a toyota truck
Same. Had a 2021 Tesla Model Y and couldn’t wait to get out of it and get back into my Mercedes.
You should have just got a model Y.
What happened to the old days when you would set up a test site at two or three airports as pilots to see what issues you'd have and whether it would actually work? Instead they went whole hog and lost their shirts on a large scale trial. Hertz don't it!
Their probably did a pilot and worked fine for the period of time the program run. You don’t discover the issues with repairing them until they got to full scale
Yeah, Hertz jumped into the deep end of the pool before taking any swimming lessons. And these people are supposed to be the smartest people in the class, with MBAs from the Ivy League. I think the money guys and the ESG police had a lot to do with this mess.
I see what you did there. Back in 1965 we said donut instead of don't it.
yeah- every other business tries to assess the interest in a product before releasing it en masse...and on top of this, the infra-structure is not all in place to make this even practical for EV renters...
The biggest problem renting an EV is you have to carefully plan travel around your charging stations otherwise youre going to have a really bad experience
EVs are a terrible car for the rental market. They shine as a daily driver because you wake up every day with 250 to 350 miles of range
EVs are lousy in cold and hot weather, AND as a CR found, EVs are vastly less reliable and EVs are driving up the cost of insurance for all drivers because they cost so much more when damaged
@@stanmarcusgtv”but consumer reports”
Ok boomer
@@Del_987 Consumer Reports wasn't wrong though.
Provided there are no power outages
@oleradiodudea.m.4735 if there is a power outage, the gas stations don't work either.
Yeah... i think this is one of the first nails in the coffin of this "full EV transition" madness.
Let us hope so. EVs are an abomination.
Agreed, I suspect we may see EVs towed off into the sunset late this year.
A bit off-topic. Thank you Lucky. Based on your insights I've sold my old car 10 months ago, making $400 over expected price, then I was holding, and watching your channel. Now I'm happy to report got my dream car 15k below MSRP. Thank you again.
The whole charging a rental makes me rather just get a gas remtal
I own a Tesla but when I go on vacation, I don't want Tesla I don't want to worry about charging or where to charge . I do like the car even though it lost some value !
thanks for sharing
I am with you I love my Tesla and I'll probably buy another one. On vacation I don't wanna be thinking about charging. Like you said. At home you charge your needs. And you have to think about it.
@pa_2600
There’s a guy on YT called Iowa Tesla Guy. He recently did a trip with his Tesla from Colorado to Iowa in freezing cold weather. If you want to get a feel for what #TeslaLife is like in the cold check out that episode. Every time he stopped to charge I was like why on earth would you pay for this stress? Especially if you’re on vacation and the point of the vacation is to de-stress.
The guy was hesitant to charge his Tesla anywhere past 90% because I’m assuming it reduces the charge cycles and this impacts the resale value. Can you imagine not being able to fill up your gas tank past 90% 😂😂
It's smart to not charge your EV over 80. Charging over 80% is much slower so you can save time by just driving away at 80% charge and charge to 80% again at the next charger. Takes 20 minutes at a Tesla Supercharger so not a big deal.
I viewed that video. Facts.
In January, I purchased a 2024 Cadillac Lyriq Sport 3 AWD. Installed a Level 2 Charger in my garage. I love it! No car payment!
I appreciate Hertz giving me an opportunity to understand EV is not for me. Driving experience is amazing but driving with constant eyes on battery indicator and wondering how much more I could go is not worth it. It’s probably good if you have EV as a second car, but definitely not as a replacement of the only one you have.
I think the will get more in 3-5 years
Driving experience with Tesla is not even close to driving a luxury car, it is like driving a tin can.
@@LuckyLopez777 because even HERTZ know the Tesla car is stupid, and a waste of money
I've just registered for an EV car for going into the next city, BUT during the winter highways shut DOWN the RV pulloff where a charging station is located half way to that city. In this winter ice storm time I MIGHT make it, but maybe not.
I'm trying to understand your issue when you have a battery indicator that you can toggle to 'miles' to see your range🤔....how is that different ( or worse) than a traditional gas indicator??
Thanks, Lucky, for the current market info on these nightmares. In my mid 60's- never have and never will buy an EV. I never saw these low depreciation numbers on any ICE- never.
It's not a coincidence that this 200 (1820!!!) year old technology was never seriously pursued.
Until westerners collectively lost their mind.
I owned a Chevy Volt for 6 years. Loved it. It met my lifestyle as a retired person living in SW Florida where it is flat and never cold. But when the main battery went bad, the cost to fix was nearly double the value of the car, I had to part with it and sold to a salvage company for next to nothing. But the Volt concept was a good one. No anxiety about running out of battery knowing that the generator up front would take me another 350 miles. One other thing; I never thought about fire until recently. The Volt was in our garage and it could have killed our entire family. I believe the chance of a fire is very small, but if one catches fire in your garage? Disaster!
I appreciate your input on this Hertz and their EVs situation. My employer purchases fleet vehicles for their drivers annually, and a few years ago they were excited about buying EVs in the near future. Now I’m not so sure if that’s still their plan going forward…
Just ask the boss how many hours per week you will be sitting in a coffee shop watching your ev charge and unable to do your work
Hybrids are WAY better for fleets. Hands down.
I never chose the tesla rental options when i rent because the pricing is not competitive compared to the gas cars
They also do not explain on the site how they charge and pay for charging in the rental
In a few years, just like cellphones, these used EVs will flood the market as battery packs wane. With dealer price of a replacemet of these packs, people will be junking them. There is big opportunity for those who want to get into third party EV battery packs replacement.
Will be definitely interesting to watch
3rd party battery packs will have a lot of quality issues, I suppose.
@@LuckyLopez777
You could have made your speech shorter. I worked for HERTZ it's all about the chargers costing big bucks and not being reliable. The cars went through tires like crazy and cost too much and the insurance is also crazy and yes parts take forever to get. So, Bye Bye EV trash. Oh yes and people got stuck from running out of power and cars had to be towed back to their offices.
Ok thanks friend
I have had my Tesla now for over three years and I love it. EVs are not for everyone yet. Especially if you can't charge at home.
thanks for sharing. 😁
I've also had my Model S for about two and a half, it's a great car. I don't really get the EV/Tesla hate other than them dropping their prices and massacring the secondary market. People WAY overblow the range issues, I do road trips all the time in mine between NC and TN, 700 mile trips and I just drive directly from Chapel Hill to Knoxville with a single stopover in Bristol.
@WillMoon People who don't own EVs don't really understand how charging works. They think you drive it like ice, you drive it to empty, then you charge.
Right, people always say, OMG it takes ten hours to charge at home, which is silly. I charge my car for a couple of hours every couple of days.
I would never buy a used Tesla without knowing I had alternatives to get repairs done, Tesla would be to expensive when it comes to out of warranty. Add to that the insurance woes and body shop issues, which is one of the reasons Hertz needs to get them moving off of their books. The Tesla warranty is only 50,000 miles, so if you get one with more miles than that you may have a problem from the beginning.
Never buy a used Tesla from hertz or an Uber/taxi driver. Those cars were not meant to be charged 4 times a day for two years straight. Buy one from a normal person doing normal driving, charging it the way the battery wants to be charged. This isn’t a negative for Tesla most people do not put 60,000 miles in 18 months
How is this different then a luxury car from Hertz ?
@@userofsharinganI own. 3, Y, a mini Cooper EV, and have had several other. Where did you get this this info ? 😂
@@tobyray8700 most every Tesla I’ve seen that needs replacing of a battery was high mileage used for ride sharing. There’s no official reason why this is the case just an observation.
You use 3 cars for Uber?
One of the best and most informative videos i ve seen about the topic very neutral position. Thank you very much!
Yes, Lucky gave a very fair presentation though he sounds anti-EV in the comments here. Hertz failed by requiring their customers to return with a full charge, too much hassle when traveling. Hertz should charge in the lots overnight. But plenty of demand if those used ones all have 60-80k miles on them.
@@beachcrow Yes indeed, even more considering they had enough cars in excess to do this. Badly planned, badly researched by hertz, but we can't say that Tesla wasnt at fault in respect to repair parts.
We have to be aware that there is an political movement agains Elon and also Tesla, this alone could be also an factor behind the scenes, but no one can talk about it without evidence.
You brought up some very insightful points. When you broke down the depreciation of a Tesla I thought “this would be an effective way to calculate whether the price on a used car is a fair price. Would love to hear your thoughts. Great work.
Hi lucky , i dont follow a lot of you tube channels. Yours is one of the exceptions. Really good.work and good content, kudos 👏
Excellent analysis! I agree about parts and maintenance TSLA has a way to go for aftermarket parts. Also if you do not have a 220 outlet in your garage charging will be a headache. However I drove a ModelY for the first time and I loved the experience! I will be purchasing one on the next 8 months.
120v works fine for my Tesla, not an issue if you don't have a long commute. You can certainly charge overnight for 50 miles of daily driving. Enjoy your new car!
Uber and Lyft actually cut the driver pay.
Thank you for calling it as what it is!
Great video! Very informative and interesting.
Here's another thing to consider when buying one of these used EV's. With 60 to 80K miles, how much of the battery pack life has been used up? With the cost to replace the batteries, I think you'd have to reduce the used price very much more. I don't think buying an EV is a good decision anytime and especially not buying a used one.
getting a new battery for an EV is like getting a new car.
Hey Lucky, any idea why so many of the Audi E-tron GT’s are lemons? I took a quick look online at some and so many of them have been bought back. Are they actually an issue or maybe people are exaggerating issues to force Audi to buy them back to avoid the depreciation hit?
thank you for in-depth explanation
This just pissed me off, because there is so much misinformation here. The cars don’t just sit with no one to rent them, because AS AN UBER DRIVER, I was on a two month waitlist for one and some people drove from Jersey to DC just to get into one. They needed repairs, but HERTZ reps WERE NOT putting tickets in. We NEVER paid $400 - $600 for just renting. The guest was $334, plus charging fees. That’s in the most expensive market. You STILL can’t enter your name under the rental car to charge, but ALL YOU DO IS PULL UP AND PLUG IN! That’s it! Nothing complicated. Uber drivers ARE NOT the only people who “beat the sh*t out of rental cars.” MOST people do. That’s why the insurance is so high and they push it so hard. Tesla is really good with selling and shipping parts, but Hertz has a discount with Tesla. I’m not even gonna watch the rest. Tesla is a newer company. Hertz rents cars. Your information is wrong. Delete this video. It’s insane how much it sounds like you’re steering away from the purchase of one. 🤬👎🏼
funny how all these "green" clients thought energy was free. Said it years ago, the price of charging will continue to go up with demand (if demand takes off)...... Oil is king.
With the solar on the roof of our house, we've spent less than $120 on fuel in the last year - almost all on road trips. That compares to just over $1,100 for our Nissan Rogue doing comparable mileage. It all depends on your usage and charging capability.
As HERTZ have said a HUUGE reason they sell BEV's (not just TESLA's) is the drop in residual value caused by the drop in new BEV prices.
Residual value is VERY important for rental companies (as it is for leasing prices)
But yes HERTZ also said the demand was lower than expected.
I personally do both, I get the car hot, then drain it. I place a heater pointing at the block and let it drain while I do other things, sometimes overnight. I then use a vacuum hose that can angle in the oil pan and through the dip stick. The last step is I flow air through the removed PCV calve port at lower low PSI, from a blower not an air compressor.
It's not a lazy way of changing oil, in some exotic cars it's the only. I have had trucks that have several oil coolers, only way to really drain the system is suction and pressure.
Simply, very well explained!
Thanks for the Video Breakdown.
A friend and I rented from Turo a 2018 Model 3 AWD Long Range. We were first time EV drivers.
Drove it from East TN to Navarre Beach Florida. Was a very pleasant experience. I actually drove the entire way there and home and I was not fatigued upon arrival.
We stopped at superchargers when the car told us to. Each stop was 15-20 minutes ( time to pee, get a coffee/snack/lunch) ... worked out pretty well.
Would totally buy one, but currently don't want to add a car payment back into my budget, and I'm not sold that the backseat would be as comfy as our large SUV for the teenagers.
I sold my model y in November. Mainly because I felt screwed by the price drops and I could see the ev’s starting to falling off. It sucks losing money but I wasn’t upside down on it. Ended up buying a new regular cab short bed 4x4 5.0 f150. Going to supercharge it and have some fun. The Tesla was nice but I missed doing car stuff.
Every Model Y owner except new ones feel that way. I do aswell. I just see it as we timed the market poorly, and its better for the future because we know now, prices will never go back up ever again in our lifetime.
Selling it after it immediately dropped in price. lmao
Smart!
@@Del_987 It was smart, selling it before it potentially dropped further. It's a gamble like Bitcoin. It might rise, it might fall, there's no way to know so get out while you can.
I bought a 21 MYLR used for 46k in may. I’m trying to get rid of mine also because I feel like my car is like the stock market, I keep getting screwed
@@Del_987 guess what? The value has gone down more since I sold. And I wanted something different. I’ll be fine.
I purchased a 2024 Cadillac Lyriq Sport 3. Love it!
As a business traveler, Hertz's charging policy makes it a no-go for me. Time is money and I'm on a tight schedule; I need the vehicle fully fueled/charged when I get it, and I don't have time to find a charging station and wait for the vehicle to charge when I return. With an IC vehicle, I know I can always find an (overpriced) gas station within a few minutes of the rental drop-off.
Its amazing how people fail to understand that just 50 years ago cars were so slow and inefficiant amd they have been on the market for over 50 years by then. Electric cars will become better and better and more efficient, charging structures would be come more readily available so are mechanics. I have owned an EV for some time now and it has been a great experience.
Entirely true but it doesn’t make any difference now what’s going to happen in the future. When gasoline powered vehicles were introduced there were no other options so people dealt with the inconvenience. Now you don’t have to.
EVs add NOTHING over an ICE but require huge investments effort and hassle for that NOTHING.
Unless you're part of the death cult and believe we're all going to die unless you follow the latest hype.
Lucky isn't factoring in depreciation at tax time on Hertz's inventory or their operating profit when adding up their losses.
Spent a month traveling through New Zealand, driving everyday. Can’t imagine spending hours charging everyday.
Great video. You should do a video of which cars have remote kill switches from the manufacture
I could have seen this one coming. There are just too many complications with EVs - even though they ARE cool. But they just aren't compatible with the lifestyles of travelers. They can't charge at home. They have to waste a lot of time waiting for public chargers. And Hertz was charging a substantial premium. 3 strikes, you're out!
thanks for sharing
I own a Tesla and I knew right away this car wouldn’t be good as a rental. There’s a learning curve to it. Most people renting cars don’t have time to wait at a charger or find where the nearest one is. Even for road trips they’re not that great. Bad move by Hertz
This is a Lie, they can charge at home obviously, they wont charge as fast obviously...
@@pablozirpolo8236 EXACTLY!! These would be okay as 1-day rentals as long as Hertz did all the charging. That alone is one of the biggest headaches for people looking at renting a car.
When I rent small airplanes, they're rented "wet" meaning what I pay per hour includes fuel. If my rental car included 250 miles of "fuel" that I didn't have to think about filling up, that would have increased the value enough to maybe consider paying a little more than a comparable ICE vehicle.
electric cars are okay for round the town runabouts?
I tried to test an EVGO station this morning.
The closest one was 10 MILES AWAY.
I pulled up to the stall, plugged my car in and it didn't auto charge.
I tried paying with a credit card, debit card and Apple Pay on my iPhone...NONE OF THEM WORKED.
In the amount of time of my visit, 2 Tesla's pulled in to the TESLA SUPERCHARGERS, charged up and left.
I won't feel comfortable road tripping my Cadillac Lyriq AWD Lux 3 till I can use Tesla's superchargers.
THE OTHER PROBLEM IS THE COST.
The EVGO even at it's cheapest is higher in price than the Tesla Supercharger. Think .30c per kWh vs. .45c per kWh - .69c per KwH depending on time of day.
I can charge at home for less than 20 cents per kWh at Level 2 speeds and its actually better for my battery health.
Don't you look into all of this stuff before spending that much money?
@@oldbloke204 I have a home charger. Works perfectly. That 2 years of free supercharging will be awesome once I get the card in the mail.
What you worried about?
I'm RICH lol
@@PassportBrosBusinessClass So are we compared to the majority but wasting money like this just doesn't sit right with me.
Getting conned buying a vehicle just doesn't give me a fizz.
The app issue is a problem.
Just watched a Hertz CEO say the cars were returned damaged and the cost of repairs was high. Not an EV problem.
Resale problem is because Tesla's dropped in price. What car gets cheaper? I bought when the price was lowest.
Hertz is reducing the EV fleet, not "walking away."
So people complained EVs were too expensive. Not now.
Great video. Thanks
I have and ev in vegas. The chargers are ALWAYS broke down or there's a wait.
thanks for sharing
Not true
Got more experience to change yes 😝
@@TarassLevtsenko no. 1 is broke at south premium outlets, 3 are broke at Arroyo crossing, 1 is broke at Target at maryland parkway, shall I go on?
💯!
As a President's Circle member with Hertz for many years and frequently out of LAS, I can confirm I saw mostly Model 3's and Y's renting for a premium in 2022-early 2023, then they would show up in the Pres Circle area as a free upgrade and now I barely see them in the reserved spots. Frequently, chargers around the Las Vegas area would be full, so you're waiting in line to charge, then waiting 45m to an hour to fully charge and when you're done, there isn't much difference in cost from gas to electric as I saw the rate of charge steadily go up with inflation.
I can see electric vehicles declining another 20% over the next two years, especially with JB out of office!
Excellent and clear analysis. 👍
Great reporting and superb presentation. Very personable and engaging.
Great video. Not sure if this helps or not but back in 2013-14 I drove a cab in Phoenix. A weekly rental was around 750 a week. You would need to clear 150 a day to cover cost such as gas and fees. Some days you could make that in a few hours if you knew where and when to be to get the big fares. Most days it could take 6-8 hours. This is before you'd even be in the black. Your friend having a 400 a week lease was great but any cabbie would know that wouldn't last. In order to make any real money you need to own the car, sub lease through a company, then find another driver to drive it every 12 hours. I would think EV are not designed for any transportation/gig jobs. Oh and if any of your peeps are thinking about gig work full time, expect to be in your car 1--14 hours a day at east six days a week.That was my experience but I wasn't the best at that kind of work =S
I did courier in LA and was well paid for it back in the seventies (top end company) but yeh, 10 to 14 hours a day in the saddle (6 a.m. airport to 6 p.m.) and then I was the go-to guy for 24 hour call out (airplane parts, medical, etc) Made huge coin and that got me OUT of LA but you do that when you're YOUNG and your back is good. I even put a hydraulic seat in my truck for the bumps and tracks. And dad still has that seat in his shop!! But today I'd not last 6 hours w/o needing a nap.
Gig is not same as it’s use to be
Evs are a great 3rd vehicle.
👍👍👍👍
Another very informative video!
Ev was pushed hard and fast and now people are starting to understand the weakness of them. If you can get a cheap one for a commuter car I think they would be great.
REAL CHEAP
Even then, check insurance rates on them. EVs are way too expensive to repair with their fancy one piece castings. Any body repair from a small fender bender is in the $10k range to repair.
Fact: Model Y is the best selling car in the world.
@@ItsAlive111 My $60k EV costs $50/mo to insure with full coverage, which is cheaper than my 20 year old beater truck. Expensive insurance for EVs is propaganda here in the US.
@@ItsAlive111stop promoting this lie …
I did Uber Hertz rental on a standard range model 3 and put 12k miles on it in one month last year.
woooooo
This is not smartness.this is Foolishness
Fascinating!
Great vid
I want an EV really bad. I am the ideal person. I live close to work, plenty of charging stations if needed near me, I can charge at home, I’m an electrician with auto experience so I have no fear of working on the car if necessary, and when I purchase a home I am dead set on setting up solar to separate the cost of electricity from the market at large. I STILL dont want a Tesla. Don’t like the way they have messed with the ergonomics and controls in the vehicle. Driving it revealed HUGE blindspots and I hated that it locked me out of cruise control simply because I didn’t wiggle the steering wheel quickly enough.
I looked at the teslas from hertz as my budget is up to 20k. Nope… too many miles, and like you said theyve been riden hard so their batteries are going to have experienced more battery drain. They are not luxury vehicles and the insurance was 3x what I would pay for a Honda hybrid in the same price bracket.
lots of deals on used EV coming soon
Your video suggests that EV demand is weakening yet Tesla total deliveries went from 1.3 million cars in 2022 to 1.8 million cars in 2023 so clearly EV demand is not weakening at least for Tesla! Also if EV demand is weakening then why is the model Y the best selling car in the world? Another point of view in your video that’s misleading is the part where you mention how many people got hurt on resale value but the truth is no one buys a car with the mindset of reselling it only 1-2 years later. It’s unfortunate what happened to Hertz but at the end of the day, far more people benefited from price cuts to be able to finally afford to buy a Tesla!
You can hold on to this thing until the music stops and then you're stuck with cazzo!
Tesla just announced they are laying off 14,000 workers.
I’m a car hauling business based in Las Vegas and this is good news for me I moved a few loads of teslas from California to Florida last year for hertz direct no middle man Broker’ hopefully those same cars will start flooding various auctions and will need to be delivered via transport truck again from auctions again via transport trucks to dealers , ports or wrecker yards to be sold as parts,
Thanks for the insightful reporting. Most people reporting on Hurtz selling EVs claim it's another sign that nobody wants EVs. In a lot of ways EVs are a poor choice for rental because EVs require the driver to understand their unique charging needs and have a way to charge at their home or hotel. I've owned a Tesla for 8 years and love it but it's not for every situation.
I was gonna rent a Tesla for doing Uber & other gig work when my car was in the shop. Come to find out at the time of reservation it was gonna cost almost $800 up front then over $600 after that weekly. I ended up renting a Corolla for about 1/3 the price weekly until my car was fixed. Even with the cost of gas I was still paying less than it would have been before even factoring in EV charging. Just not worth it imo.
wow $$$$
378 a week now
Yeah they were charging about $2600-3000 month to uber drivers. Uber cut the pay for drivers. I don’t see how it’s sustainable…..
Come on Hertz, this hurts (the stock and the secondary)
Stocks... the next rug pull.
I see what you did there 😉
@@markmansel9899 it's going to be colossal
thanks for the info
Hey Lucky. Love the vids and info as always. I think we should all watch Hertz as it seems to be the "crypto exchange" of the automotive world in regards to fleet management and leasing. Whenever you do drive the Lyric I would be very interested in watching a video from you filming some of your experience, if possible. Thank you and again as always I appreciate you very much for your automotive content.
It's -10 degrees here in the Chicago area. It took me 5 minutes to fill my MKX with gas. I couldn't imagine waiting in the cold in an EV that was charging slowly because the battery was cold.
You can turn on the climate control while it's plugged in.
@@BogeyTheBear no you can’t little boy. I can’t wait to roll coal over your little crappy Tesla.😂
How do people keep their older Telas on the road if parts are not easily available? What is the average age of a Telsa that's on the road? For ICEVs it's about 11 years. It's not possible to keep the cars on the road without parts support so what's happening to the older Teslas?
Ebay
@@LuckyLopez777 Ugh!
Does Tesla still make all their components in-house? Have they started licensing some third-party manufacturers to start producing spare parts for replacement?
It's been hard enough knowing the reason a Tesla's been sitting in the shop for four months because the company has to come around and pull the part you need off their production line-- what happens when that particular part is no longer used in the current line?
The electric motors have no maintenance and with "regen" braking there is no brake wear. No regular maintenance needed for fluids, belts, emissions, etc. The batteries are lasting far beyond Tesla's 8 year guarantee. Parts issue is with crash damage, not keeping them running.
@@beachcrow Most of the significant maintenance requirements to keep an older car on the road, accident damage repair excepted, stem from failing suspensension components and accessory items (e.g. starters, alternators, AC compressors, and misc switches and sensors). I don't expect that to be terribly different for an EV. The suspension parts are identical, and accessories will be different but are still there. My question specifically has to do with availbility of those components. Brakes, belts, and fluids aren't the factor that determines whether an ICE stays on the road or not. There's amply supply for the life of the vehicle and they're not expensive. Keeping in mind that make-or-break parts availability is significant for the second half of the cars life. From about 10 to 20 years. For the first half they're pretty much okay with the exception of normal random early failures vs. end of service life failure.
Thanks for doing the deep dive on this Hertz situation. The German rental company SIXT has been right with Tesla on putting the brakes on their EV program .
I rented a BYD ATTO3 from SIXT in Australia last month. Car had ~8k miles (12.5 kms) on it. Was a beautiful drive, they had a fob that gave me free fast charging with a specific network (if I chose to use someone else - which we did once for convenience - it was on us) and I didn't have to charge it before I returned it. Outstanding experience, the car felt solid, drove well, compared nicely to a Model Y (albeit with somewhat less range) at around 60% of the price. The car was good, and SIXT rented it properly. Will absolutely do it again.
Classic business school case, for years to come, every university should include this one. Cutting edge tech meets old school tech. Maybe this is why people are not buying EV's now that they've discovered, "I hadn't considered the cost of insurance when I was looking at buying my EV, it's as much as a Ferrari, Lambo or Mercedes." - Because replacement parts are astronomical, even if the accident was "the other guys fault."
Also, apparently Hertz wasn't smart enough to make a deal with Tesla on "Hertz EV Charging Cards", where the customer buys Hertz credits and charges up the card, then uses it at the Tesla Supercharger, and when returning the rental, Hertz deducts the excess charging credits on the card from the final rental bill.....
Soooooooo Let’s rent an EV, then go to the hotel and find out you can’t plug in…..Soooooo let’s go sit at a charging station and twiddle our thumbs while we wait to charge. Just what I want to do after a long day of clients and dinner meetings. 🤦🏻♂️
I’ve driven out to clients and dinners. Never once were those trips ever amounted to more than 100 miles in a single day 😂. Who books your hotel? And why do they flight you out and book it so far away from the meeting locations. Ey stay blessed I would upset with the idi0t that book your hotel far away 😂
Why didn’t you plan ahead
@@user-bmw528 Because a lot of times, Hertz didn't give customers the choice of EV or gas. It was EV or nothing. And it's hard to plan ahead for the hotel's charger not working when you get there.
A relative of mine owns an independent used-car store with strong ties with a few rental companies for inventory purchasing
The Hertz rep calls him just before Christmas to offer their Model 3’s, they have so many, and the pricing was way worse than going and buying the same unit elsewhere.
Because they're super ass fast so fast and deceptive and people can't stop him cuz they're a little bit heavy and they're expensive to repair. I just saved you a bunch of time people. However there is definitely a major talent in drawing this comment out for 15 minutes so kudos to you my friend!!!
Tesla isnt a car you should rent. Its a car you should own. Its the ideal car for commuters.
THANKS FOR THE VIDEO.
These are all high mileage cars. It's obvious HERTZ is trying to avoid the repair bills and it's easier to just sell them off.
The Model 3 had a lot of issues, but the newer Model Y and Model 3 are a lot better with fewer problems.
That said: I WOULD NEVER BUY A USED EV.
I WOULD NEVER BUY A USED TESLA.
These cars are obsolete by the time they get released as the technology changes so fast. 10 years from now the batteries will get twice the range, charge thrice as fast and the computers will be AI - powered.
For now: I'm happy with my 2024 Cadillac Lyriq Luxury 3 AWD
I LEASED IT.
I may go for the Escalade iQ in 3 years.
If you leased a car why do you care about the range? You don't need range when you likely drive less than 100 miles a day, your arguments against evs don't make much sense, you don't own them and you don't understand them.
10 years is a long time
@@lazerusmfh When you're writing checks out of my checkbook, THAT'S WHEN YOU GET TO TELL ME WHAT MAKES SENSE AND WHAT DOESN'T.
You’re BEYOND full of crap. Teslas are the best over the air updates to keep the car current. Your Cadillac lyric is a true piece of crap.
Lease deez nuts 😂 I'm doing 70 000 km per year. And every single lease is very restricted
Ummmm OK???
UberLyft drivers that rents these vehicles should be watching this video 😂
It’s not actually too terrible. It’s not your actual car so you don’t care about adding mileage so can focus on per hour earnings including rides that wouldn’t make sense from a mileage point of view if you owned it. You get more higher paying comfort rides. Charging isn’t too much as an issue, it’s break time. I’ve been earning more off the Tesla rental than I was off my Prius which is in the shop after an accident.
@@Bonanzaking Hertz employee don't take care of their vehicles and when maintenance is due, you sitting at Pep Boys looking stupid for hours and charge don't last long when you drive the freeway on long distance trips, the battery drains faster but that none of my business.
@@KC1986JR no shit sherlock. There’s a reason you don’t BUY a vehicle from any rental company whether it’s gas or electric. Just like you don’t buy a former police vehicle. People abuse what’s not theirs.
Freeway isn’t terrible. Most uber rides aren’t going over 125 miles. Most i get are 40. And charging isn’t bad. I need a cigarette break roughly every 2 hours so I top off on charge. Works for my situation while my prius is in the shop.
Great daily driver, there not good for road tripping, I plug 🔌 it to my house daily and it gets me to work and back
I started working for a competitor a couple of months ago. First thing I realized was they weren't charging their cars.
If I were a car rental company, I'd try to get as many chargers installed at hotels as possible. Tesla could also start put more super chargers near hotels. Or even subsidize hotels installing level 2 chargers. Hotels would win too because they'd get more EV business.
When I travel I always rent an EV and love it. But the experience would be even better if I could charge overnight at my hotel.
I'm doing a trip to FL this week and had no issues finding hotels in Tampa, Orlando and Palm Coast that have destination charges.
@@donm2255 yeah until busy period where the chargers/parks are full sometimes.
Hertz could solve this problem at least partially by letting customers return the vehicles at any state of charge without penalty, or charge a small flat fee.
@@jerryburg6564 Agreed. That last charge before returning the car, and often having to catch a plane is the hardest.
@@N4CR5 I haven't had an issue, but it's a problem that will solve itself. If the chargers are fully occupied, then customers complain at the front desk. Before long, they install more. I think new wall chargers even have the ability to monitor usage so the hotel gets data on their utilization and knows if they should install more.
I rented a Tesla for a week to make a trip, it was during the winter time and the trip was 250 miles, I made sure the person confirmed it was extended range… it did not make it. In Texas there are a lot of vast open landscapes with no charge ports… the car died on the side of the road after 190 miles. Had a friend bring a generator, we waited overnight for it to charge so I could make it the remaining 60 miles. I kept the generator in the trunk and had to schedule an extra day for the return trip so I could park at a Walmart and charge up for 12 hours. Never renting or buying one. Don’t fall for it!
That's ridiculous. You should have just caught a ride with your buddy and let the rental company send a tow. Standard practice when any rental breaks down is for the rental company bring a new car or pick you up.
wow. thanks for sharing
@@51AB it did not break down though, the rental company said the lack of fuel is due to user error, not the vehicles fault so it would be on my dime to have it towed.
@@JackMehoff-iq5he They also said it would go 250 to 300 miles. It went 190.
You should have used the navigation and the car calculates which superchargers to stop at and for how long. is a simple step and a very important for EVs
I had to rent from hertz last year when my car was in the Volvo shop for a week, and ended up with one of their Polestar 2s. The teller was pretty surprised because apparently not many actually ask for them and "they don't drive like normal cars." They really don't leave much instructions for the user, and they should because the rental user doesn't have the patience to figure things out. If I didn't already own the same car (Polestar) for 2 years, I would've had a poor time because of how inconvenient it is to exclusively have to do DC charging.
I have a Volvo and I thought the Polestar 2 felt just like a Volvo but had a different propulsion system and one-pedal braking that could be turned off. The charging stuff is poor but driving the Polestar, once getting around the interface, was pretty familiar.
A Tesla wrecking business is starting to look like a good idea.
I think you missed a very important point as to why these cars didn't do well. A large segment of renters are either business travelers or folks on vacation. Both groups regularly stay at either hotels or some type of home rentals. Neither of these groups want to try and find a charger, wait for said charger to charge the car, or risk running out of charge in the middle of trying to go somewhere. These cars are good for people in large cities who do not drive far in one day. They can go home and charge at home and have a full battery the next day.
Relative had an EV and could no longer charge it at his apartment unit as the insurance had skyrocketed after someone had an EV catch on fire while charging. So, they said no more charging in your apartment garages. They made all the residence sign addendums that if they were caught charging an EV it was a $5,000 fine each time, 3 fines and you are evicted. Even though he had a charging station close he got tired quickly of having to stop on the way home and sit for his car to charge. If both chargers were taken, he would either have to drive somewhere else or wait. His nightly compute every 2-3 days got extended between 30 minutes and an hour and a half. He sold the EV soon after. About a year and a half later they put 2 chargers in the back of the complex, however he said one or both were usually broken, car parked that wasn't even an EV, or someone would park an EV and leave it in the spot until morning. Basically, they were unusable on a reliable basis.
You nailed it, who is going to roll the dice on those with no warranty? They need to be under 10k
❤❤❤ your video and research 🎉🎉🎉
Wow, it seems like so many negative EV comments, I rented a model three dual motor from Hertz in Tampa and had a great four-day experience. There was a charging station a few hundred yards from my hotel that was free.! I feel like I lucked out on that but all in all I put less than 300 miles on it during my trip so I only charged it once and had a great time with it. This vehicle had about 30,000 miles on it and still felt really tight and new.
Considering EV's have no major breakdown at 100k miles like conventional ICE, I wonder why hertz was in a rush to sell, vs just keeping them in the fleet to avoid taking a loss. I think the real issue is that people were not renting them from Hertz as much as they projected. Also I think hertz didnt sell the EV solution enough to their users as a better alternative, they sold that they have EV's in stock and try to force it on them, but they didn't sell the idea of why and EV is a cheaper rental overall, even all the issues of charging, the million plus tesla owners have figured it out, and rent EV's when they rent. Hertz didn't do enough to upsell the Non-EV owner. They just gave them the cars and told them to figure it out. Considering that its clear that the automotive industry is going EV, I think we will see another take/another cycle at this, Hertz or another rental company will take a stab at this and probably figure it out. Or maybe Hertz just went in too early in the adoption.
Yeah the battery just degrades to unusability within 10 years no matter if you drive them or not. That's much better. We'll also see about the auto industry going EV, I think you're gonna eat your words on that one.
I'd take one or two breakdowns over 100k miles over the daily range anxiety any day of the week and Sundays twice.
Batteries warranty is out at 100k
When ice vehicles were first on the market, you were hard pressed to find a gas station. It took an entire century for them to be as ubiquitous as they are now.
If charging stations were more available and quick to charge, none of this would be an issue. Hint: That’s coming really soon. Tesla is going to ramp up the infrastructure. And unlike gasoline which is a pain in the rear to store underground in tanks, and have tons of regulations, all you need for Tesla stations are some solar panels and/or electrical outlets, an empty lot and you’re set. I’ve seen plans for mega stations in Los Angeles that will have tons of charging spaces, entertainment and restaurants.
Hertz bought them too early, and Tesla should have had dedicated service technicians just for Hertz. I think the pandemic didn’t help for supply chains for repairs, either.
So naive....."just need a few solar panels". A single fast charger requires as much Wattage as over 1000 homes. A solar panel could charge a couple Iphones IF its sunny. To get this kind of energy density you can ONLY charge via generation from diesel of natural gas. The government pushing EVs is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen and its causing massive inflation in the insurance sector.
LOL at you if you think wind and solar is going to provide enough charging power to charge EVs.. How are those brownouts/blackouts in United Socialist Soviet Republic of California?
ICE vehicles were a HUGE leap over horse carriage.
An EV doesn't do anything relevant that an ICE cannot do.
You people ever contemplate over your mantras?
How long does it take to fill up a car? 2-3 minutes? If you invent a technology that can load a battery in 2-3 minutes….the car would explode.