Gemini Pulley Dropper Rig - tutorial/discussion
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2024
- The most popular request for a rig making video on the channel has been the Pulley Dropper or the Drop Down Pulley.
I haven’t fished with this rig before but it’s popularity sparked my curiosity and so into the workshop. After researching, looking and reading at many others online I have now made my initial version and will now use it for a period of time before making any changes.
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Another good one thanks Mark! I love these workshop videos, and we are never too old to watch and learn somebody else's take on how to do something! Stay safe & well! 👍👍😁
Getting colder now so I’ll have to flash up the log burner.
@@seaangling I'm jealous of your workshop/garage, and log burner too! Just a thought - how about a little fishing knots video to go alongside the rig videos? 👍👍
Hi Mark. I should have watched this vid before commenting on some of the others. This one gets over the problem (which I see!) of having a very long trace before the fish feels the resistance of the weight. With Gamakatsu circle hooks and a much shorter trace it should work a treat. One of the problems with a long trace is that the fish can pick up the bait, taste it, and spit it out if it doesn't like it. Result is you lose the bait or blame it on small fish stealing the bait when it may be the fish of a lifetime.
This is a popular rig in the UK but has an inherent flaw and relate my fishes as intended. Some think it is a good ray rig but I think that is because for a very short time at slack water it can pick one out, as soon as the tide runs it is poor.
Hi Mark...this is my main go to rig and works very well. I prefer a termalink to clip on to the Gemini pulley bead. With other links you occasionally get the snood wrapped into the link. I use either a splashdown or roto clip on mine and don't tend to have any issues with either. Think you will find it is a very effective rig. 😁👍🎣
I am a fan of the termalink as the end connection from my mainline and is on all of my reels.
I am leaning towards the Rotobait being more robust than Splashdown and has the benefit of the weight being fully locked in.
Nice video Mark, enjoyed that one. But don't forget its snakes that 'slither' - we cut slivers of bait - good old Hightown education...haha
My Hampshire accent poking through.
@@seaangling We heard what you said but we knew what you meant...hahah
Brilliant video mate... I was one of those that ask to see this and I'm really pleased with how youve done it and it has explained it perfectly..... I'm gonna give it a try next time I go out and see how it goes.... Cheers 👍
Meant to add.... Seeing your other replies to other comments it sounds like you caught a couple of tings on it.... How did you find the bite indication?
The only downside for me is the bite indication. It is a little bit muted unless the fish takes off so for some of those tap, tap, taps that prep you for a pull down might not be seen. I fished last night using a 5oz grip lead and caught some tings. The up and over bite indication was better but both rigs caught.
Hi Mark, I use this rig with a solo for 99% of my fishing., longest I make mine are 2'6" I find any longer sometimes tangles. Great demo as always buddy🎣👍
Cheers Paul, I am willing to be converted and trying it out tonight.
Nice demo Mark. Its a fantastic ray rig. All the best..I use mine with trident components...only difference i do is add 3inches of shrink tubing on my swivel that attaches the the Gemini bent clip so when the dropper drops..my snood doesn't get tangled on my lead if using grip leads. Cheers mate well made👌I did use solo clips but had afew not unclip but the trident gear no problem..I like to use lock in clips as I tend to use the Brighton cast. Thanks again.
Sounds like you are experienced in its use and it works for you. 👍🏻
I’m fishing with it for the first time tonight to try it out.
I hope you have the Sandeels and squid ready sir😂😂😂👍🎣good luck
Double sand eel and squid are on and soaking.
Excellent mate, very well explained, thanks.
Great video again Mark! It's my go to rig as of late, trying to use them and abuse them to see any faults that I could improve on. Comprehensive video! Thanks fella! Keep up the videos.
I’m keen to hear if you do anything different or adjustment you have made. 👍🏻
Great tutorial Mark. Look forward to seeing how you get on with it in one of your upcoming videos. Good luck with it mate.👍
I used the rig this evening and it fished well. 👍🏻
Nice one. Will you be uploading the video?
I’ll edit it over the next couple of days and see how much content is usable. Filming at night in the rain is never easy especially on your own. I try to get everything out but sometimes there isn’t enough or the quality suffers from the weather conditions.
brilliant video Mark, easy to understand. can you tell me if you have a video using the Trident ''drop down pulley rig'' components? John
The video is using Gemini tackle as I think it is better suited to the rig. I’m not sure how you could make one entirely out of Trident Tackle but you could swap out the splash down for a rotabait.
I like and use this rig, prefer the up and over for the extra snood length. Straight Pulley on night fishing for easy of use mainly. Well presented as always Mark, all the best 🎣👍
Cheers Danny, any hints or tips for adjustments?
@@seaangling my rigs are identical to yours mostly, I do a longer rig body/snood length if on soft ground in good conditions, shorter for rough conditions as they tend to tangle, same with up and overs. That’s the good thing about making your own, can make to suit your regular marks.
It always helps to tailor the rig to the mark, conditions or species. The rigs I show are always a starting point but could fish right from the off.
When you doing some more vids Mark?
Watched your up n over tutorial using power gum etc.
I can safely say never using crimps.
I fished magazine lane other week, ..utter joke..lost loads of rigs.. loads of bites..but the bloody snags.
Hope your keeping well buddy, 🙏
I’m fishing/filming this evening. 🎣
For magazine lane you are coming up and over the dredged channel, use a lead lift.
@@seaangling yeah, did eventually and it definitely helped. Not enjoyable fishing though tbh. 😕 none of my beloved up n over rigs were sacrificed.....I forgot them ..blessing in disguise 🥸 😏
Nicely presented video as always. One thing to think on, if you cast up tide and let some line out to allow the wires to work, I think the snood would slide towards the pulley bead in the tide but still be close the bottom. Its still a nice rig and I would still use it.
I’m trying it out and as always I’ll report back what I find. There may be another video to fine tune it if needs must. 👍🏻
Your videos are very good. I often watch them a second time just in case I have missed a nugget of info. On another tack, I got out on my boat yesterday. Best day so far, 10 species.
How many of the 10 did you call correctly before seeing them?
I’m rubbish at doing that and judging weight by looking.
What was your favourite of the 10?
I called the undulate because of the first run and the continual circles my line made, bream, dogfish and the congers. The other fish we caught were Scad, Mackerel, Pout, poor cod, pollack and cuckoo wrasse. One of the local charter Skippers gave me the numbers.
It was supposed to be a ting trip. my mate, my wife and I like a ting tea. But we failed. Lol
Another well explained and detailed video Mark.
Not sure it's one I would use, mainly because of poorer bite detection.
Stay safe.
I do like the up and over rig for being able to cast a long snood, on the bottom with good bite detection.
Another great tutorial. Interested to hear your review of the Trident tackle rigs (Termalink, Aero pully and roto bait clip) you made.
There was an earlier video comparing and giving my thoughts although it could be time for an update. 👍🏻
Hi there,I'm from Argentina.I tried the rig yesterday and it worked excelent.I used a brakeaway proper because the gemini pulley beads are not available here.Tight lines.
Hello and welcome to the channel. What species were you targeting and what is the fishing like where you are?
@@seaangling Hello Mark.The species we fish here in Argentina are:corvina rubia,corvina negra,corvina carbonera o manchada,pejerrey,pez palo,lisa,lenguado,sargo,pez elefante,burriqueta,congrio,cazon,tiburon bacota,tiburon escalandrun,tiburon martillo,tiburon gatopardo,chernia,mero,salmon,pez limon,pez sable,besugo blanco, besugo colorado,raya y chucho.We have oceanic waters.The equivalence in UK of some species I've mentioned are:corvina negra=black drum,pejerrey=a kind of mackerel or silver fish,lenguado=flat fish,raya=ray,pez limon=yellow tail,congrio=conger,tiburon=sharks but I don't know your types equivalence.The best time to fish here is from the beginning till the end of the summer (i'm talking about beach fishing),boat fishing is good through out all the year.I like to fish almost all the species but prefer pez limon,corvina negra,lenguado y mero o chernia.Well,that's all,hope I've answered your questions.Tight lines (from the other side of the ocean)
It certainly sounds like you have a wide variety of fish to keep you busy and some sound similar to ours.
I still have many species to show case on the channel and many different venues to try. I hope you find something of interest amongst what we do. Take care, tight lines and happy fishing. 👍🏻
Great video And as said by others keep them coming. It’s given me an idea of using a pulley rig
For uptiding from the boat . I normally just hang the hook on the grip weight wires but it does not always release . I thinking that it would be better to have a more stream line rig set up that will release every time.
A 3’ pulley rig could work well, it would be interesting to try it out.
Another great video, keep them coming. Hope you are going to film a session of this rig in action.
Thank you. I’m out tonight fishing the pulley dropper and the up and over side by side. Which one do you think will catch, I’m targeting rays?
@@seaangling Traditionally the up and over but would like to see how this fares 👍👍
It was even stevens and both caught tings, no rays tonight.
Hi mark great video again all my clip down rings use the gemini solo splash down or the splash down leads never had a problem with either always release whatever size bait I use brilliant bit of kit the blue ones are a bit restricted on what size hook you can use but the red ones can take quite a large hook I go up to 5 o no problems tight lines mate
I forgot to mention about the difference between blues and reds. 😔
@@seaangling anytime mate how did you get on last night
Another good video Mark, I watch some of the channels you have mentioned and you should not put yourself down in comparison. I am learning so much from you and enjoy making the rigs. The problem I had with this rig was the 100lb swivel; after I cast out the line was very slack and when I recovered the line it had all gone??? Just the termalink on my line! This happened three times in a row? I then removed the swivel and connected the termalink direct to the aero pulley, no more lost rigs. Did I do something wrong? Also did you try the braid straight through with the canon?I'd be interested how you got on.
I haven’t experienced a lost rig through connection of a swivel to the aero pulley? 🤔. If you had lost the rig from either end of the swivel I could understand the loss of confidence but to lose 3 rigs from the same connection point is baffling.
A lot of rig making and adjusting rigs can be split into performance & confidence. What works for some may not work for others and rigs earn their place in your tackle box through fine tuning and confidence. That is possibly one of the most satisfying aspects when it all comes together and you achieve your target.
I did a season with braid straight through using the canon and fixed spool reel, I thoroughly enjoyed this set-up but if you know me at all I like to experiment. I’m currently using multipliers and mono with a view to learning some more technical casting. I’ll let you know how it all goes. 👍🏻
I’m really pleased you enjoy the channel, any nugget of information shared helps us all.
@@seaangling my friend whom I was fishing with thought that when the rig hit the water, the pressure forced the swivel up and off of the termalink? When I connected the termalink directly to the aeropulley I never lost another rig. I am moving on to the clip down rigs and I am going to move up and down the Norfolk coast to see what's out there??? Thanks for all your help and keep making the excellent videos.
Up and over for me. Less components. KIS. Great vid.
My personal favourite is the up and over but I am always willing to check out the other possibilities. I don’t think my No1 will be knocked off its perch any time soon.
Mark onthe first one you done why did you not use a bait stop and sequin on your hook snood.
Depends on intended bait or if you are going to use something like glow in the dark soft stops that are threaded on by the hook.
Hi Mark another good vid.could you just use the captive end and just have different snoods ie single and penal made up
Yes, absolutely. I’m fishing with it tonight and have spare snoods with different hooks.
Mark Im going out fishing on a boat Sunday what rig would you suggest as I usual fish from the shore.another great vid by the way
A very simple rig to make and very effective is an 18” length of mono between 2 swivels and a sliding lead.
Have 3’ & 4’ clip on hook snoods made of 40lb mono and use 5/O or 6/O hooks to clip onto one swivel, the other swivel clips to your mainline. That should deal with almost anything and if you get into straps, the 2 swivels should help. I hope that is explained enough to make and good luck.
I can take a photo if you need one.
@@seaangling thanks Mark..no need for photo ..thanks for your time
Hi Simon again from crete loving the videos 👍👍
I think you should take a pulley rig a drop down rig and a long and low with a drip lead to a clear fast running stream because as you know now i live in crete where the water is gin clear all of those baits will almost be in line with the shock leader 😬😬😬😵😵 your saying no way !! But try it ??
No offence but I have and it doesn't fish the way you think 🥲🥲
Sounds interesting.
Did you have a wee fire in there above the sockets on the wall mate ? Great video as normal though.
No buddy, it is over spray from some other project. Possibly one of the cars I’ve built.
@@seaangling Yep that would explain it ha ha
Is the 6 missing from the 4 !!
Is there a reason using 4mm beads or could 8mm be used thanks
Nothing wrong with using 8mm beads other than their bulk.
Muy bueno saludos desde Argentina
gracias, de nada
Unfortunately I don't understand this..it is a well done video and if you are familiar with this stuff I m sure it all makes sense. But for a novice it is too difficult. Zoomed in would have helped. Thanks for the effort though, seems a lot of people appreciated it
Morning Bert, what would you like to see or can I help you with any detail?
@@seaangling good morning mark, thanks for reply, much appreciate. Subbed the channel. I ll watch the vid again b4 I ask something that I possibly could have picked up myself. Just 1 question now if I may, Can you only use a splash down hook Clip on one of these pulley Rigs or are these 2 things you can uses independently from each other? Thanks
does the hook fish below the lead, the rig body and main line all run in a loop down tide of the lead, what stops the tide flow washing the snood up to the pulley bead, not having a dig, a genuine question
It does fish below the lead mate but that also depends on what state of the tide....but with the snood being slightly longer it is mostly on the bottom of the sea bed. Hope this helps you👍great flatfish rig.
Mark, PLEASE stop putting fingers/ line on your mouth when handling lead. there are very cheap knot pullers costing around £2.50 for 2!
Noted, good advice.
I have transitioned to using a knot puller after years of not.