Hermes Mercurius Trismegistus in Picatrix
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- What is the role of Hermes Mercurius Trismegistus in Picatrix? Can we really call the Picatrix "Hermetic?" This video examines all instances of Hermes' presence in the Latin Picatrix, the medieval treatise of astral magic, and attempts to answer this question from three different perspectives.
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So what do you think, is the Picatrix a Hermetic work?
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Absolutely 💯
What would be the obstacle to describing it as a hermetic work? The fact that Hermes T. has a somewhat more decorative role and the lack of the more metaphysical principles of the theoretic literature? My instinct is that a text is presumptively hermetic if it thinks HT is a huge authoritative deal: regardless of whether the text is operational or theoretical.
The Picatrix is definitely an Hermetic work . The whole praxis of astrological magic in Picatrix depends entirely upon the chief Hermetic axiom " As Above , so Below " .
So immediately after I finished watching this video, wondering whether the Picatrix really is Hermetic, my roommate opens a box a friend had sent him. Inside is a board game named "Trismegistus." I have no choice but to consider the Picatrix Hermetic now.
hahaaa, nice: “THE ULTIMATE FORMULA”
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Wrong interpretation of coincidence
😂 the timing
It would be nice if modern books included historical background information such as this. No matter how much information I learn about these subjects, I always feel like I have a couple pieces of a puzzle as I seek out the possibility of other pieces. I'm just glad that plenty of scholars are making videos and/or they're being interviewed on the internet for the world to learn from.
the secrets of the magickal grimoires by aaron leitch might be helpful - I'm yet to read it but from an interview I heard with the author, it's like a behind the scenes book for ancient grimoires
Hi Dan.
Haven't listened the upload yet, but I wanted to take the opportunity to say something.
When I first discovered your channel, I was really impressed. Still am. First class. Educational, in the best sense. What I particularly liked was the fact that you produced content which expressed strong opinions not only about history but also modern society. You had a bit of balls about you, which I admired. I know you're in with a lot of other youtubers now who (although they produce first class work) think a lot more about viewing figures and demographics in general. But, for me, you were always a class above them. You were fearless. A priceless quality. If not always a popular one.
All I'm trying to say is make sure you don't lose that.
I'm not saying you have.
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Thanks John, I will take the admonition to heart. I think the problem is that as you grow in size or reach, you tend to grow in responsibility and caution in due proportion, which tends to make us (or at least me) a bit less brazen in a public forum where people are not so forgiving.
@@TheModernHermeticist I understand. But keep your mojo workin :)
Picatrix: “For the true sage, the end justifies the means.” i dont believe in the “everybody is a salesman” meme that is being sold.
The art work is great. Another awesome video!
The Picatrix exists in an universe centered on a Hermetic worldview therefore it can certainly be labeled as Hermetic.
Great video, interesting analysis, love the art and find the approach to answer the question by looking at it from the different angles thought provoking. The censorship took me by surprise and makes no sense to me at all. I don't reproach Dan for it, I understand that he's dealing with the platform's policy the best way he can but it makes me so mad that I can't write a coherent sentence... I can't imagine how irritating it must be for him to work so hard to make the video only to have to insert the beeping and try to talk around whatever subjects might put him at risk of getting taken down.
It's indeed frustrating. I've had lots of stuff on Picatrix get age restricted and demonetized over the years just for reading quotes. They don't tell you what triggers it in particular either, so you just have to guess at what offends the bots.
This will be incredibly useful time I need to cure renal stones! Last time I had the suffumigations all wrong and it did NOT go well
Epic content as usual! Thank you for this. Absolutely in love with this channel and use it for asmr sometimes at night. Long time fan. Maha episode!
Is the Picatrix a Hermetic work? Impossible to answer with any great clarity. Speaking with my philosophy hat on, I'd echo Nietzsche's lament that ''language lies in our way''. Its not just the ''big ideas'' and complex technical language which is a problem: even seemingly simple nouns can be real bastards. We start using a noun for something, and instantly forget that we have approximated a huge amount of phenomena and averaged them out and discarded the differences. It gets worse with words like ''Neo-Platonist'' or ''Hermetic'' or my pet hate ''shamanic'', which bundle up a multiplicity of practices, ideas, people (who were often at eath others throats) and imagine it to be ''one thing'' amenable to defintion. In the UK, even among academics, the word ''shamanistic'' is now applied to any loon banging a drum or shovelling MDMA down their necks. All of which has its place, but it seems unwise to throw it in the same file as Urubu cannibalism, pre-Buddhist Tibetan rituals, Shinto, Norse varðlokkur, etc etc. So what is ''really shamanic?'' or ''Really Hermetic''? Damned if I know....too many Slim Shadys are standing up :) Once again, many thanks for all your thought provoking work. M. X
Thanks, Dr. Attrell. I don't think its very constructive to try to circumscribe Hermes Trismegistus from the cultural malaise that it is embedded in. There are phases of it, strains of it, all with their own admixtures, and that is the way it is. Our efforts to sort it out result in attempts to purify strains of it that are cohesive when really it probably was always nebulous and weird, and that's ok, it makes scholarship more difficult, but also gives people who care about it more work to do and nuances to discover. Thanks for your work and especially thanks for making things like this video that make it accessible to everybody! Personally, I think that the CH is a better guide to morality than the new testament, and I'm happy that it is counter-culture cool now.
🔥 thank you 🙏
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I appreciate your work. I'm trying to study genuine, ancient Kabala. You seem capable of presenting this.
Imagine my pleasant surprise to find my favorite scholar of western esotericism quoted in Liber 420!
Dr. Dan Attrell, Thanks for deepening my love and fascination for history and esotericism.
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No way! Chris reached out to me back in the days when I was working on Picatrix and I had an eye toward the materia medica. Funny you should find me in there, it's a big book if I recall.
When you started talking, I had to ask myself. 'Is he reading Thomas Taylor again?'
Nope this is Dan's original thoughts 😂❤
thank you, this is an exceptional analysis & presentation. it greatly enriches my understanding of both the picatrix and hermes trismegistus. excellent work!
Glad it was helpful!
I consider Zoroaster astrology and Egypts alchemy as 2 of the 3 ancient wisdom’s and the picatrix a prelude to the renaissance. Unfortunately we’ll never know the origins of these ancient wisdom‘s. At least we have these writings and works that we have compiled for now. Thanks Dan for posting this great video can’t wait to learn more. Cheers
why 2 of the 3 how do you count wisdoms?
@@arturhashmi6281 not sure if you will agree or not but I always considered the three ancient wisdoms as Astrology from the Zoroasters, although they would say it was passed down to them from antiquity,
Alchemy from the ancient Egyptians, and some would argue that they received their wisdom from the Atlanteans.
Lastly “religion” or What some would call spirituality or “shamanism” or both depending on their culture.
Thank YOU, Dr. Attreal!! As a Hermeticist, I definitely ❤❤❤ anything on Thoth/Djedhuti/Hermes Trismegestus!! All comes from Egypt, who was considered the Temple of the world. Greek philosophers studied higher knowledge in Egypt😊
A splendid Saturday started w this. Many thx 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Offering the you the highest suffumigation brother... THANK YOU.
heck ya dan
heck ya cholate
Thanks Dan for your time and effort as always, saving this one for bed. Great work man, great work. Think you could do a piece on Mary anne Attwood , I feel there's something there worth exploring.
Excellent as always!
Just as a matter of potential interest (or not...?!?): have you seen the new-ish Charles Stein book, The Light of Hermes Trismegistus: New Translations of Seven Essential Hermetic Texts? It's interesting, and the translations that I've read so far are enjoyable...but, I think it's doing exactly what you referred to here in saying that The Odyssey is a Hermetic text. The texts are: Hesiod's Theogony, the Homeric Hymn to Hermes, the Poem of Parmenides, the Poimandres, the Chaldean Oracles, the vision of Isis from Apuleius' Metamorphoses, and Zosimus of Panopolis' "On Divine Virtue." I'd say most of these are a stretch, at best, to include in a book that has the title highlighting Hermes Trismegistus specifically...!?!
I will contact you soon via e-mail to ask you a few further questions. Thanks so much for your ongoing superb work!
Thanks!
Thank you kindly.
I like the pace of your reciting. 👍🏾
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Thanks for watching
I may be mistaken but there doesn't seem to be a contradiction in the recommendation that no offering should be given to the ONE. Only a relationship and gratitude for the ALL is complete and needs no offering, while the 7 planets are creations within the ALL and do have requirements. This is simply being specific in my observation.
This was really good. Thanks!!!
That was amazing. Good work.
Amazing
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Thank you!
Excellent work. Thank you.
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Good presentation as always Dan. Question, could the Mercius of Babylon be a reference to the Greek conception of Zoroaster as a Chaldean sage of astronomy and astrology? I am unaware of any hermetic text that conflates Hermes and Zoroaster but I imagine it would not be hard to do given that the ancient sages have similar domains.
It's possible, but it's hard to say because in the Achaemenid Persians ruled over Egypt from 525 to 404 BC and there was a lot of cultural exchange during that time (including between Egyptians and Chaldeans). Then we get the whole Alexander in Persia thing and the Hellenistic empires uniting Egypt and Mesopotamia and Persia for a time where you'd get a lot of cultural exchange. But again, all this is relatively quite early, and I suspect this is tied in with much later conceptions from the pseudo-Aristotelian Hermetica's Alexander lore. It's definitely a question I could/should have looked into in more detail, but I didn't want to prolong the video too much.
Very education
Thanks for this video ❤️👍👍
Marvelous. Thank you.
this rocks, thank you
God thrice great. Threefold are we.
Magnificent. Thank you for such clarity, and if we are all one, I claim Aphrodite Estara as my DNA goes back to Rochi and the Egypt and Babylon Mesopotamia Syria Fraser be off of the Omega. It is all wrapped up in the DNA cellular being.
16.24 Melancholia .
why what is the meaning ?
Melancholia is about the overbearing influence of Saturn, and the attempt to temper that influence with magic (the magic square over the angel's shoulder is a Jupiter talisman used to ward off Saturn's unfortunate/malefic influences).
Comet BBQ...
Melancholia the movie...
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Also at the beginning of the movie "The Omega Man", Charlton Heston enters a car dealership. The first poster we see on the wall is a "Mercury Power" poster. The Messenger. MessengerRNA mRNA. There is a message in the dealership. He walks past a "Time" poster next, then they show the big "COMET $2217" poster, 2=B 2=B Q=17, BBQ.There is also the calendar on March for the WHO March 11, 113/311 pandemic declared date. Not long after in the movie he has the helicopter crash flashback. The pilot gets infected and crashes. Charlton survives and crawls from the wreckage reaching for the "Vaccine".
It would be nice for you to make a content that makes the bridge between zen buddhism and hermetic teachings
Both are coming from same principle
Buddhism says : black implies white
Hermetism says: as above so below
Both are pointing same core principle
Refusing to share all 45 aphorisms from the secret of secrets? Looks like I’ll have to entreat the Moon to compel you to reveal the rest.
I should have mentioned I have a whole 4h reading of the Sirr al Asrar from a few years back.
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The painting at 23:25 with the bull and fruit. Anyone know the name and artist?
AI generated (Midjourney)
Ridiculous you need to censor decapitation.... i truely hate this weakening world
Blame the bot police that combs through every posted sentence to find offense across 10 different categories before age restricting and throttling a project that took two weeks to make. Trust me, I hate it the most.
@TheModernHermeticist the bot police get most of my hate in the burgeoning technocracy. Gone are the needs for compassion for convenience of automation is here to abate our inadequacies
read or listen to the divine pymander, 17 books, than read the Torah and gospel and finally the holy Quran. Thank you, praise god.
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Can you post the name of the images? Theres some that I rwally want to buy
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I am he
Anybody have bad things happen with this book on your shelf?
I'm not sure anyone really escapes bad things happening to them.
@@TheModernHermeticist indeed
Does it works or its just a product of human imaginiation 😏
If this book was created in Africa or Middle east Africa then why is all the art European?
And I'll show my back side to the world and prove it
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🌏⚓️🌜🪐🌬a functionalist- YES
that makes the most sense::::: 🖤🕳like is it the presence of the personage that we interiorly recognize...or is it imbued throughout with the spirit we feel with Hermes...it'z like when i read that Sir Wallace Budge book on Osiris.... changes over thousands of years...i'd say : yes.
Thanks again for the support Mandy! 🙏 tell me more about this Osiris work, I'm unfamiliar with it.
@@TheModernHermeticist its this nice big brick of a book~ titled, " OSIRIS, the egyptian religion of resurrection "
has tons of outlined drawinings of tomb paintings and tons of gorgoeus hieroglyphs- and it traces the perception of Osiris for all of history: lots of comparitive religion references as well- the writing is juicy! hey- ppl can say that budge is outdated...but to me, he is so enjoyable to read... / actually makes me want to read his autobiography too.... and since ppl were having a huge moral upset over Budge, it really got my mind excited and engaged, like...well, i guess pillaging is necessary! etc. speaking of museums and the study of antiquity.... tomb raiding / politcal correctness.
🥸 omg. yeah i think this one would appeal to the picatrix crowd...whew.
"The moon was the great 'runner' khens of the night-sky, and was in early times associated with Thoth; in later times it was regarded as the abode of Osiris...." oh yeah, he asks the modern people what their beliefs are and tries to relate any traces...or find any traces from the past into the beliefs now...and he was criticized for that.
but unless i had read this book, of the God changing over time, i would have said no to your hermes question>
" A few days later Lucius bade the priest farewell and departed from Cenchieae for Rome, and when he arrived there he became a continual worshipper in the temple of Queen Isis who, from the situation of her temple, was called, 'Goddess in the field of Mars." When Lucius had spent a year in worshipping Isis in this way, the goddess began to warn him in his slumbers to prepare for a new initiation. Pondering what the warnings of the goddess might mean Lucius consulted some of the initiate, and at length he learned that he had still to be initiated into the Mysteries of the mighty god, "unconquered Osiris, supreme father of the gods" for though the faith of Isis was identical with that of Osiris, the methods of initiation of the two faiths were different." p. 303
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