Wow, nice to see the live tear down. I can’t believe this is the first time you’re actually inspecting the inside of a pack. I would have thought you had done this before.
Would be a good starting point to put non-Tesla batteries in it like the 125kw Model S like AS seen on Twin Battery Technology`s channel.... There`s a Nissan Leaf with GM Bolt battery cells on there too...
Clever guys. Well done. Look forward to the next instalment....
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Really interesting. There is a lot of opportunities here for learning in order to open a battery repair center in countries not yet as evolved as Norway. Keep doing this so interesting stuff!
It would be interesting to see what happens after the battery dries out, and what Elbilmek does with it in the end. Will it be repairable? If not, will Elbilmek sell the parts? Are the power electronics in the penthouse still in good shape to be installed as used parts?
Battery pack has valves that enable the pack to breathe when the battery heats/cools down, because of this water will enter when submerged for long periods of time
It's flood damage rather than what one might imagine from "water damage". The car stood in flood water for some time. It's in one of Bjørn's earlier videos where he shows the flood height etc - up to the sills from memory, but not the cabin floor.
Thanks a lot 👍 for this closer look into a - not so waterproof 😔 - Tesla Model 3 HV battery... Correction: The car was flooded / submerged... Then it actually faired really well...
Really good video to have, thanks elbilmek and bjorn! I hope for a follow up. The numbers jumping around doesn't surprise given the water is still inside, I'm sure the cells are not useless! Just a question of if the pack itself can be partially restored. I hope so as this is so important for sustainability and repairability to figure this out! 😊
At least it was the old model traction battery, that you can open. The new one is full of special bondo and you have to (but should not) chisel your way in.
I wonder what will they do with this battery. I'm pretty sure it will not be used in the car anymore, but could it be made a storage system for a solar panel system or something?
Wow those are some awful sights around 3:00 and 4:02, but then the data points at 8:20 look not too bad. Curious too see to what degree this can be repaired!
Very interesting. For some reason I thought that Model 3 batteries were filled with foam, and almost impossible to repair. But this actually looks very accessible and repairable!
the cells are encased, only issue should be the BMS balance wires. probably a bunch of corroded connectors. that should be an easy fix. prehaps grab parts from another pack that has been in a crash but has good non corroded pcb's. but i would first check if the readings are not wrong as its not the official tesla software and the readout might be buggy.
No. Cooling runs trough lines in coolingplates. There is no moisture around cells (normaly). Look up some videos of munro live, they disassamble and study vehicles. There (beside all the other functions) is shown how cooling is done, by different manufacturers.
Tesla is all about reducing manufacturing cost, so they eliminate every part and step not essential. On the Model Y with the structural pack the front seats and consul is mounted directly on the battery and the battery is the floor of the car. When they take it out there is just a huge hole where the floor is suppose to be.
Its just 4 bolts. Calm down. Much better than removing the heavy battery to change a small module. I'm not a Tesla fan. I would prefer a different car. You need to remove the back seats to get to get to a fuel pump,too. On some models you need to remove the tank from under the car to get to it. Dumb design.
Bjorn if the pack was dried immediately after flooding would it fully recover? That could be a service provided by Elbilmek, like when my house flooded they lifted carpets and put in industrial dehumidifiers.
@@anttitoivonen7339 And these have to vent outside the car and not inside because in the small chance of a thermal runaway you want those gases going out of the car, not into the cabin.
@@anttitoivonen7339Apparently two plastic IP67 pressure equalization valves are too expensive for Tesla. Programed obsolescence, water ingress = oxidation, oxidation = electric shorts.
his batteries should be 50 lb packs, that lock in, sealed water tight. Consumer should have access to them. Its some design modification, an mold modification. I don't know why tesla has not released small portable power banks like ecoflow, etc. who knows.
@@bjornnyland you don’t think the battery pack should be removable by the consumer? The 12 volt battery in cars is made accessible on purpose. I am troubled by teslas (and others) hide the big battery design. The current design says the consumer does not own it, and it can be disables remotely. Happened to a ride share user. Think about your problem on table now and if it was only one 50 lb pack vs the whole thing. Apple was the first company to remove the customer ability to replace a battery and low an behold the dirty bastards remotely disabled the battery’s on old devices to force the purchase of a new one. I can see some logistical problems and safety problems, but no more dangerous then regular car batteries (especially if designed right). The beauty of having removable packs is the cars life an value to the consumer is extended. See how they are long, you could easily have them removable from front or rear with the right design. I mean think of how dewalt makes it so ya can snap a battery in an out, ya know. Its a choice to make them hidden. Not much cost savings either, for the manufacturer.
Incorrectly built battery sorry tesla but there is no reason for a battery pack to not be completely sealed against water ingress. Worried about air expansion do what hard drives do with flexible bladders. The seal path for the battery case was also sub optimal making and torsion on the pack stress the sealant massively. It's annoying when hacks like Monroe go on about stamping and welding techniques and getting rid of indicator stalks meanwhile ignoring glaring errors like using a rubber grommet to seal a battery pack that's living inches from salt covered dirty wet roads. Laws should be put in place to make manufacturers replace any water damaged battery pack that's within warranty that hasn't been submerged more than 2m deep.
Wow, nice to see the live tear down. I can’t believe this is the first time you’re actually inspecting the inside of a pack. I would have thought you had done this before.
Most model 3 are in warranty, that's why we didn't had chance to took at the battery
Would be a good starting point to put non-Tesla batteries in it like the 125kw Model S like AS seen on Twin Battery Technology`s channel.... There`s a Nissan Leaf with GM Bolt battery cells on there too...
2:38 flintstone car 😂
Thanks for following up, I was curious about it...
looking forward to more videos with Elbilmek! you guys should have your own youtube channel! :)
Looking forward to the next installment.
Clever guys. Well done. Look forward to the next instalment....
Really interesting. There is a lot of opportunities here for learning in order to open a battery repair center in countries not yet as evolved as Norway. Keep doing this so interesting stuff!
I absolutely love this kind of videos 👌👌
Waldemar macht das „Super“ 👍👍👍😉
It would be interesting to see what happens after the battery dries out, and what Elbilmek does with it in the end. Will it be repairable? If not, will Elbilmek sell the parts? Are the power electronics in the penthouse still in good shape to be installed as used parts?
dont hold your breath
this is definitely a different type of video, liking it though
Great video and very professional people… thanks we really like this content
Great video. love the Flintstone comment.
Thanks Bjorn. Happy Holidays. Interesting video .
I assumed that the battery was sealed and protected against water or particulate ingress. Very interesting video, looking forward to the next part!
There are a lot of [IP] classes in water tightness
you still need some venting I guess? or is there vacuum in the battery packs? otherwise when they heat up the air wants to expand inside it.
@@AndrewTSqI think there are already membranes that allow both waterproofing and air permeability.
@@pavelblaha5243 ah, yes that sounds plausable. like goretex in clothes :) edit: its probably these at 01:50?
Battery pack has valves that enable the pack to breathe when the battery heats/cools down, because of this water will enter when submerged for long periods of time
I'm sure this will start a whole industry repairing batteries on EVs.
Surprised to see how easily they can get water damage.
Batteries will need to get much cheaper before that... Now it just makes sense to buy another battery from a crash damaged car.
It's flood damage rather than what one might imagine from "water damage". The car stood in flood water for some time.
It's in one of Bjørn's earlier videos where he shows the flood height etc - up to the sills from memory, but not the cabin floor.
Thanks a lot 👍 for this closer look into a - not so waterproof 😔 - Tesla Model 3 HV battery...
Correction: The car was flooded / submerged... Then it actually faired really well...
If its submerged for several hours-days, what do you expect?
Nobody ever said it was waterproof.
Really good video to have, thanks elbilmek and bjorn! I hope for a follow up. The numbers jumping around doesn't surprise given the water is still inside, I'm sure the cells are not useless! Just a question of if the pack itself can be partially restored. I hope so as this is so important for sustainability and repairability to figure this out! 😊
how long was that Tesla Model 3 flooded?
Can it be put in rice?
The jumping buffer and nominal remaining is due to a recent firmware change in the car. Latest versions of Scan My Tesla has this fixed :)
Thank you Bjorn
At least it was the old model traction battery, that you can open. The new one is full of special bondo and you have to (but should not) chisel your way in.
Good!
Elbilmek, M3 module is good?
Can you replace M1,2,4 and repair the battery?
The rest are good ?
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I wonder what will they do with this battery. I'm pretty sure it will not be used in the car anymore, but could it be made a storage system for a solar panel system or something?
in a concrete bunker with sprinkler system for thermal runaway treatment ?
Flintstone car ❤
Bjorn, good morning from Albania!
Run 40 degrees water thru the cooling system to dry it, with a bit of ventilation ? use Heat pump pool heater for that ?
Wow those are some awful sights around 3:00 and 4:02, but then the data points at 8:20 look not too bad. Curious too see to what degree this can be repaired!
Too bad but not suprizing when the car was flooded. If you want to off road install a snorkle system on the breathers 😅.
What adhesive did you use to "glue" the lid back on?
Very interesting. For some reason I thought that Model 3 batteries were filled with foam, and almost impossible to repair. But this actually looks very accessible and repairable!
Those are structural batteries only on Austin made model Ys for a few months
That is the 4680 cell
the cells are encased, only issue should be the BMS balance wires. probably a bunch of corroded connectors. that should be an easy fix. prehaps grab parts from another pack that has been in a crash but has good non corroded pcb's. but i would first check if the readings are not wrong as its not the official tesla software and the readout might be buggy.
The insulation measurement was down all the way and jumped up as it dried. There was water on the main bus
Would like to know what happened. Did customer drive into deep water?
It was flooded.
put it in a underground garage without the proper pumping system and surprise with heavy rainfall...
It is very nice to see videos like this, but when I saw the water flowing out when you opened the battery… not good at all
Bring me the hair dryer.
Super interesting. Flintstones car... Lol
Hi!
Thank you for the video
What is the exact model of Autel that you use 8:04?
I was under the impression that Tesla batteries are sealed and waterproof. ( many videos of Teslas going through deep water )
But there should be water inside? Correct? Is cooling and external flood mixed?
No. Cooling runs trough lines in coolingplates. There is no moisture around cells (normaly). Look up some videos of munro live, they disassamble and study vehicles. There (beside all the other functions) is shown how cooling is done, by different manufacturers.
@@Bud_Terence Ah! I dont know how it worked. Cooling plates, will take a look.
Any idea when you might test the Model 3 Highland? I can't decide if I should get the SR or LR until I see your reviews and tests. :D
No idea yet. Still waiting.
3:49 isn't that the small 1 kW but heater with modified head?
I think it's a shoes drying heater it's not modified head on that.
Is this later LFP battery or early SR+ with NMC?
I see nominal full 60 kWh, so LFP?
At 6:25 you can see the diagnostic screen says Long Range AWD - so NMC
Wow...a lot of work to take out the battery. At Hyundai or Kia you just take out the bolts from below and that's it...
Tesla is all about reducing manufacturing cost, so they eliminate every part and step not essential. On the Model Y with the structural pack the front seats and consul is mounted directly on the battery and the battery is the floor of the car. When they take it out there is just a huge hole where the floor is suppose to be.
Unbolting the seats is not much work
Its even better, because you get easy access to the modules on top.
@@CyberlightFG more work is never better. You Tesla guys just find a stupid thing to say for everything 🙄
Its just 4 bolts. Calm down.
Much better than removing the heavy battery to change a small module.
I'm not a Tesla fan. I would prefer a different car.
You need to remove the back seats to get to get to a fuel pump,too.
On some models you need to remove the tank from under the car to get to it. Dumb design.
@@CyberlightFG And on some modes to remove the tank you need to remove the entire rear axel.
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Will this be reused?
way too dangerous
Bjorn if the pack was dried immediately after flooding would it fully recover? That could be a service provided by Elbilmek, like when my house flooded they lifted carpets and put in industrial dehumidifiers.
Unlikely. It will corrode and also there will be dirt inside
Always thought the pack was completely sealed from water ingress
It has to be able to equalize pressure somehow when it heats or cools. That's through the valves shown in the video.
Exactly, and because of that battery can not be submerged in water for extensive period of time@@anttitoivonen7339
@@anttitoivonen7339 And these have to vent outside the car and not inside because in the small chance of a thermal runaway you want those gases going out of the car, not into the cabin.
Time to advocate for snorkels for EV HV batteries!
@@anttitoivonen7339Apparently two plastic IP67 pressure equalization valves are too expensive for Tesla.
Programed obsolescence, water ingress = oxidation, oxidation = electric shorts.
wahou seems to be fixable !
Bjorn, you really need to provide us some highland content soon! :(
I will as soon as Marcus gets the car.
Flintstones car :)
his batteries should be 50 lb packs, that lock in, sealed water tight. Consumer should have access to them. Its some design modification, an mold modification. I don't know why tesla has not released small portable power banks like ecoflow, etc. who knows.
That's not how it works.
@@bjornnyland you don’t think the battery pack should be removable by the consumer? The 12 volt battery in cars is made accessible on purpose. I am troubled by teslas (and others) hide the big battery design. The current design says the consumer does not own it, and it can be disables remotely. Happened to a ride share user. Think about your problem on table now and if it was only one 50 lb pack vs the whole thing. Apple was the first company to remove the customer ability to replace a battery and low an behold the dirty bastards remotely disabled the battery’s on old devices to force the purchase of a new one. I can see some logistical problems and safety problems, but no more dangerous then regular car batteries (especially if designed right). The beauty of having removable packs is the cars life an value to the consumer is extended. See how they are long, you could easily have them removable from front or rear with the right design. I mean think of how dewalt makes it so ya can snap a battery in an out, ya know. Its a choice to make them hidden. Not much cost savings either, for the manufacturer.
Flintstone car 😂😂
Need rich rebuilds
And a kitchen knife.
Or MacGyver and a paperclip. Kaboom.🤣
Water has found the way to get inside the battery. Bad engineering from Tesla.
not really. cars are not designed to be submerged
These Model 3 are not sold as submarines.
Incorrectly built battery sorry tesla but there is no reason for a battery pack to not be completely sealed against water ingress.
Worried about air expansion do what hard drives do with flexible bladders.
The seal path for the battery case was also sub optimal making and torsion on the pack stress the sealant massively.
It's annoying when hacks like Monroe go on about stamping and welding techniques and getting rid of indicator stalks meanwhile ignoring glaring errors like using a rubber grommet to seal a battery pack that's living inches from salt covered dirty wet roads.
Laws should be put in place to make manufacturers replace any water damaged battery pack that's within warranty that hasn't been submerged more than 2m deep.
2 meter water submerge is not problem, problem is duration. Any IP certificate comes with duration as well
Or just don't drive your Tesla into a lake. If i drive my fossil into the river the engine is toast.
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