The Hell for Women Who Menstruate | Japanese Buddhist Lore
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- The Blood Pool Hell for Women (Ketsubon-kyō). A Buddhist afterlife of torture for women.
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4:33 Blood Bowl Practices
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I visit blood pool hell every month, whether I want to or not. 😂
Never. Periods are bad enough. 😖🩸
@@Peachykeen267 😂❤
No one wants that tea🤔
Nevermind 😶
I'm going to shut up 😁
I think the women were So happy to visit it because they could become Deadpool in their next life lol. Maybe that's where all the BA samurai women come from. 😉
Well you inspired me by about 3 minutes in so I googled and found menstrual blood is good for growing your favorite herbs etc. Full of nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium. Literally the Blood Meal everyone spends so much on. Spread the love.
If someone doesn't honor the divine mother energy, they don't get to smoke. Whenever religion goes against nature it's no longer spiritual. I'm looking forward to a good crop next year 🤙
"The most common cause of death for medieval Japanese woman was child birth. The second most common cause of death was living in medieval japan. "
This made me laugh the most in this video 🤣🤣🤣
He ain't wrong medieval Japan was hell
Not just in Japan but medieval everywhere in general.
made it 1k whooo
People in medieval Europe with their witch burning and copious amount of plagues: lucky...
Why do the insects need to drink my blood if I'm stuck in a pool of blood. Take that blood and don't drink from me.
Hm.. true 🤔
Japan is a country famed for its work ethic and anal retentiveness about going above and beyond the call of duty, so it stands to reason that Japanese Hell would be no exception.
But blood straight from the female body is tastier than blood from muddy old puddles, you know.
That was exactly my thought, it doesn't make sense 🤣
@@Daniel_Lancelin Keeping it fresh, eh?
"How dare women" is basically the history of so many stories in folklore and it fills me with R A G E.
how dare women die from childbirth!!
how dare women mestruate every once a month?
how dare women be born!?
How dare women breath!
How dare women exist!?
How is it possible that so many men with sisters, daughters, mothers, and wives think, "These women are inherently evil and deserve to go to hell, but not me and my bros!"
Meh the same way there are many man hating feminists today even though they have brothers, fathers, husbands and sons. And at least in this case, the men actually tried to save the women from going to hell by getting sutras to protect them
@@lyuuy7477 Bro women hating men is nowhere near as bad as whatever men did to women in ancient japan
Because stupidity, ignorance, the tendencies to be entitled, egocentric, and to find dumb excuses to make one's existence seem better than that of others have always been the trademark characteristics of the human race :v
@@lyuuy7477 The main reason I feel uncomfortable around men is because of my family.
@@lyuuy7477 and not only ancient japan.
“Men’s bodies aren’t dirty.”
Then why do I pee every day?
Everyday?? That's weird bro
Might wanna get checked out...
I think your situation is kinda concerning
@Azurie 917 What the heck?
@Azurie 917 wtf
It's strange watching this compared to how the Danes did it. Dying in childbirth was considered more or less the same as dying in battle and got you sent to folkvangr, aka, valhalla but ruled by freyja instead of odin. The Japanese buddists were much more of a bunch of downers, i guess :b
That's cool =)
imagine you are a viking ... who got tired of war and hate it .. then you die and the Valkyries picked u up ... then sent you to Valhalla ( a viking view of heaven .. where you fight 4 eternity waitin for Ragnarok).
@@matthewhavemercyonmeimasin1500 Well, still had a 50% chance to chill in Folkvangr with all the ladies.)
@@matthewhavemercyonmeimasin1500 There is also feasting and partying.
The Aztecs had a similar belief!
When the monk who made this up ends up in hell too: 🗿🗿🗿
No Buddhist monk made this up, so be assured of that at least, it originates in Japan pre-Buddhist spread, and then was added in similar to how Ksitigarbha the Bodhisattva of Hell became Jizo, the protector of dead Children
@@chessaadams6137 ouh kewl but still u have to admit its pretty messed up to be in that time...
@@ramenfoxe2941 Yuuup for sure
Jejej
@@ramenfoxe2941 You also have to understand how Buddhism and rebirth works, as well as Buddhist cosmology.
Imagine being sent to hell for literally having a bodily function we have absolutely no control over and one necessary for creating life in the first place. Let alone _dying_ from childbirth.
Sexist sounds like an understatement.
Everyone is sent to hell.
The entire point of having this belief is to get believers to do whatever it takes to PREVENT people from getting sent to this hell.
So from your outsider point of view, we're sexist as fuck. From our point of view, we're the actual feminists for trying to do something about their suffering rather than just virtue signalling, like cultures that celebrate women that die in childbirth without actually doing what it takes to make sure that doesn't happen.
the idea was perpetrated by women according to the video. whose fault it really is?
@@Tennyson999 Women can be internally misogynistic. It’s still pretty sexist.
I don’t know if it was born from hatred of women, so much as the Japanese concept of “purity” or their hatred of all things yucky or gross. Like it’s hard to stress just how central the concept of purity was to morality in buddhist Japan. They didn’t think in terms of “good” and “evil” but rather in terms of “pure” and “Impure”. Ickiness or uncleanliness was akin to sinfulness.
This system of morality clearly did no favours for women but it was so much more than a mere vehicle for sexism. Disease could be a sign of so called impurity too. If you had weeping boils, or a bad skin infection, or any number of unfortunate ailments and conditions that caused you to ooze puss or blood, or make you lose control of your bowels, then you could be considered impure and therefore sinful and likely destined for hell.
Basically if it made the average person go “yuck” or made them squeamish then it was inherently amoral.
There is zero point in being angry about this, seeing as all those people are dead.
But a little did they know ' No menstruration no child'
Nope, no one. It wasn´t until a couple of centuries ago when we realise why periods exist in the first place.
@@Aditi-mb3qm yeah! its like that in india
To be prickly... no menstruation = child
But of course, not always
@@Aditi-mb3qm some part of it was also to tell people that the girl was ready for marriage and childbirth, but thankfully that part has died out
Yeah my elder sis became a queen when she got hers. Dresses, sweets, gifts. And I was crying in my room, forgotten by everyone
If Japan thought women on their periods were impure, why did they dedicate their national flag to menstruation?
Amaterasu, the supreme god of Japan, is a woman.
LOL
@@user-ys8xe1xd2x I hope she didn't wipe herself with a white flag...
I like to think the flag is Amaterasu´s period pad XD
I was eating and nearly choked when reading this
"if you died, you would be sent to the blood pool hell"
havent even died yet but i already go through it every month :///
🥲
Kind of why I'm pretty certain this particular bit of sutra was written by women. No way men know how to come up with this.
**cries in same**
Sneeze
i've always found it curious that in many societies, menstrual blood is considered more disgusting even than the acts of peeing and defecating. like everyone knows those last two are perfectly natural, and sure they're gross, but not to the point that you'll get publicly shamed or be super embarrassed if mentioning it or talking about it. menstrual bleeding is just as natural, but for some reason everyone acts like it's this big taboo and even just talking about it outside of biology classes is pretty much a sin.
Well a lot of societies percieved women as someone who should always be pure and clean but blood isn't like that, it symbolizes a lot of horrid things probably like war and death so blood coming out of a woman's hooha is pretty much a culture shock before that's why it's deemed as bad and sin. I'm just glad that right now eventhough having period is still a little stigmatized, it wasn't as bad as before where you can actually go to hell for it or is basically viewed as dirty but I agree with you still stigmatized.
period blood is the only blood that doesnt come from violence or war yet its the most disgusting to a lot.
I heard that it's easier to get diseases trough blood or something, so I think it might be because of that? Not sure tho
@@fragiledate I mean, it's blood, what's not disgusting about it?
@@cellinemartins im sayin that the blood that comes out during menstruation is completely natural and thats just a function the body has. it shouldn't be obscene, gross or disgusting, its just... built like that. no one shames anyone for takin a piss or having to sneeze, i think period blood should have the same treatment. plus, i dont think blood, in general, is disgusting??
“And if they didn’t they would beat them with iron rods, like husbands,” O__O YIKE BRO YIIIIKKEES
@Sister Supersonic watch the video it’ll make sense in context
That's it I'm getting my kanobo.
🤣 dudes a savage always has been always will be.
Honestly something modern overfeminized world lacks. Women should know their place.
@@enricofermi3471 what. Bro r u okay ?. Pls get some help
Even us women don’t know why we are attracted to stories of how we’ll be tortured. It’s just sorta interesting, like “Oh I might be tortured in a blood pool? Sounds funky, I wanna hear about it”
It is similar to us watching Crime show documentaries in now days. It is horrifying but also interesting.
Idk but agree with criminal shows lady
“I could be burning painfully in the very bottom of hell with demons beating me with sticks? Fascinating. Tell me more.”
@@ilikemilk7833 Oh, I could be tortured for many years?, Talk to me about it for 14 minutes.
just a name: Dr. Pimple Popper.
That's why. if you don't get the connection, feel free to think again, why would you watch something repeatedly when you're actually disgusted by it
And people call me crazy when I tell them that buddhism is not good with women either...
I mean.
Buddha was kinda of an incel if you read his views on women.
He described them as daughters of mara, basically asian Satan.
He did not allow women to join his ranks because they were corrupted.
He changed his views only after seeing his mother crying at his dad's funeral.
After that he said:
"Women suffer like men. So they are allowed to become buddhists, be reborn as men and THEN achieve nirvana. Cause only men can achieve nirvana"
Lol
Is there any religion good with women
@@SaKura-il8op i dubt it honestly, meybe african religion? But i don't know a lot about that one.
@@SaKura-il8op Norse.
He's also a deadbeat dad too
@@SaKura-il8op Islam-
Just my opinion lmao
Fun Fact! The Aztecs considered childbirth a form of battle, and its victims were honored as fallen warriors and thus enter paradise in the east and joined the sun's rising in the morning, the same honor given to the greatest warriors who died with honor in battle
Pretty sure the Norse and the Spartans thought the same.
I've just read that it is the same in Islam. These women are considered martyrs.
the japanese are just very weirdcore
Finally someone not hyper focused on the fact Aztec did human sacrifice and understand there was so much more to them
In the Aztec belief, a woman who died in childbirth was sent to their Paradise, along with the warriors. I like this idea; war is the ultimate masculine achievement, while childbirth is the ultimate female achievement.
Neat idea no stronger act of nurture than literally creating and sustaining life
🙏💖🌟
That’s what 4:38 reminded me of
Sparta had the same view. Gotta love it.
It's still a little toxic, "your main purpose is to birth children" that kind of thing. But damn, it's better than going to blood hell just because you're a woman
So essentially women are screwed no matter what. Thankssssss
According to men, yep, always.
@@BlackSakura33 according to women in this situation
@@Aditi-mb3qm Are you crazy? There are plenty of countries where woman don’t have access to education, menstrual products, suffer rape, sexual abuse, domestic abuse, forced marriages, female genital mutilation and are treated lesser because they are women. In what world is that privilege? Just because woman are more equal in some countries doesn’t mean the entire world suddenly changed.
@@nerine8609 this
@@Aditi-mb3qm and you're not even in that time period and not everyone's culture and beliefs was just like yours so it's really not good to compare.
Other cultures: Women who die in childbirth are the same as men who die in combat. Both struggle to meet their goal, thus we respect them as such.
Japan: *gasp* She died so she wouldn't need to bear any more sons! To the pit of blood!
“And no one wants menstrual tea that often…”
*Dracula has entered the chat*
You just made me spit out my menstrual tea
Bloodborne
@@orangetree.. what?
Here's a video idea: how did women deal with their periods in ancient japan
Hm I have some info on that, but not enough for a whole video. Yet.
Korean name
@@ipang3958 West Japan
@@Linfamy do you happen to know what type of underwear if at all was used?
In anime, we see a lot of wrapping, though I got the suspicion that many didn't wear any dedicated underwear... In Europe, it was the same. Underwear existed, but a lot of people went commando...
Sadly is hard to know since periods where taboo in many cultures, so there is barelly any records about how they deal with them back then.
What the hell, buddhism? Calm down
My ancestors treated women who died in childbirth the same as men who died in battle, because childbirth is the war that women fight. So they were honoured as warriors in death :3
Cool, what culture is that?
@@Linfamy My guess would be norse.
@@Linfamy The Old Norse. There is a reason why the Nordic countries rank so high in gender equality. It is a part of our history.
Well women also fought in actual war 🤔
@@Ikajo Ok, I need to say this because this viking romanticism is getting nuts here. There was no gender equality, even among vikings. They still raid villagers to kidnap women, and baby girls where often killed because they wanted boys.
It's so funny to me that some religions have the concept of spiritual cooties. Sometimes humanity seems to be guided by a bunch of five year olds
🧑🚀🔫🧑🚀 Always has been
Budha was the kind of person who still believes that women have cooties. even a somewhat closer examination of his beliefs reveals that he was a nutjob. of course he is, he was incredibly sheltered his whole life and he did decide to go cosplay as an ukrainian from 1932-33 to achieve enlightenment.
Norse religion was WAY more badass.
Dying in childbirth was considered akin to dying in battle. A very honorable death.
Same as aztec, now that i think abt it indigenous cultures were pretty badass when it come to women
Same with Spartan culture. Only men who died in battle and women who died in childbirth were honored with a tombstone on their graves. Even in life, women were treated kind of equal to men. They didn't go to battle, of course, but as kids they were trained the same as boys in order to give birth to strong children later on and participated in athletic games. They had the right to choose their husband and even cheat on him with another man, as long as they have a kid, because Spartan society mostly cared about having soldiers and strong women to provide them with future soldiers.
Same as islam mother will go to heaven(my english bad)
@@namelessnarrator7271 I’m seeing a pattern with the warrior centric cultures
Yup. Cringe vs based.
" Noone wants menstrual tea...that often" Linfamy 2021 😂😂😂
*Midsommar flashbacks*
vampires def do
Key word “that often”
You mean sometimes they do?!
that often? 🤨
I can tell you what this is.....
This little blood pool was a mans idea. He didnt know why women bleed so he thought he'd just put them, bleeding women, into a kiddy pool and call it torture. Well little did he know they sat around and talked shit about men the entire time and it became a bonding ritual for women. 💜
Like an onsen? :P
@@Linfamy
I dont know what that is...🤓
@@src3360 you sound like ssundee
@@Linfamy
I googler it!! Yea, a bloody version lol
We have springs all over Florida where I live. There's one called devils hole!
@@NagoBust
Whos that??
"dying after giving birth is irritating"
Yes bro I hate it when that happens
Even if women were the ones who spread this doctrine, I'm still not okay with the idea that they had all been convinced that they were evil for things beyond their control, and needed to be saved while the men were just fine.
Imagine having a Period and going to a Birthday Party and just say "Don't worry I have my talisman with me"
The amount of misogyny is disturbing
Welcome to feudal Japan lol. You're gonna be seeing a lot of that.
@Azurie 917 it anything but that
@@bobjohnson6946 what
@@bobjohnson6946 that doesn't even make sense
It’s history. Of course there’s going to be misogyny.
"Blood pool hell for women"
As if the real life blood pool hell we experience monthly isn't enough 😒
i wished we worked more like animals on that part, have like one month a year where your fertile and bleed at the end of the month and no thoughts about it the rest of the year. sure you have to time it a bit more right but science found a way to control the current annoyance they could probably figure out something that would trigger the fertility.
Oh wow! I visited Blood Hell Pond when I went to the Seven Hells in Beppu, but somehow I never made the connection to Buddhist Blood Hell! They don’t mention that at the visitor center…they just sell shirts that say 毎日が地獄です (“Every day is Hell”) 😂
Depressing afterlife beliefs and deadly red hot springs aside, great job on the video!
Everyday is hell 😂
no little figurines of women sitting chained in a pool of blood? lol
2:59 This doesn't sound all that strange to me. I think people struggle with the idea that horrific things like death by childbirth can happen at random to anyone, so it's more comforting to believe that the dead mother had committed some kind of sin, because people can kid themselves into believing that if they're very good, then bad things will never happen to them. That's just human nature, unfortunately.
Yknow when you put it that way it kinda makes sense, the whole "X died of scary incurable disease/childbirth/time bomb workplace hazard because they did Y bad thing!" that pre-modern societies so often believed in. It probably gave people some peace of mind in a world that so often seemed far beyond their control.
In short, they bullshit them selves into believing their bullshits so that they can live in their tiny little bubble worlds and never have to face the reality.
Why these...pussies...happened in modern time too actually.
@@anjafrohlich1170 @Alessia Krone
Yes. You're very smart and those OTHER people are weak-minded and that's why they believe in that wrong thing about... how... bad things happening to people are clearly because of some fault of theirs and not just circumstance. There's definitely no connection between that mindset and "anyone who believed a wrong thing in antiquity was weak-minded"...
@@Cathowl i was gonna write that, except with correct grammar but you already did so i won't
@@Cathowl you really took that personal huh?
This video hits different when you're on your period
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU
😂
Hits as hard as a demon swinging an iron rod. Still not as intense as the cramps though.
@@TheGalCantHelpIt I'd rather have a demon beat me every month instead of period and cramps 😂
I was about to go to sleep but I'm bleeding and Linfamy drops this XD
The Aztec's and Vikings believed dying in childbirth was an honour
And Spartans…I’m seeing a pattern
Imagine writing that all women go to blood hell, and everyone just vibes with it
This is pretty metal. And horrifying.
Cringe Western Buddhists: "Hell is such a cruel idea! With reincarnation you get to be reborn forever as animals and stuff!"
Based Eastern Buddhists: "These are the tortures you will be subjected to in the hell realm you will be reborn into for something you did in a previous life."
Western Buddhists: I just like that it’s about meditation and being a good person, not worship
Based Eastern Buddhists: let me create 9001 versions of hell for a bunch of oddly specific situations so you’ll give me money and I can also have sechks with your acolyte son
Asian buddhist (in my country at least) has 8 layers of hell and 320 limbos, so not very chill I don't think, lmao
@@drendraleigh4722 damn, just 8??? That's one less layer than Dante's inferno described
@@shanedoesyoutube8001 you also got punished in those 320 limbos, but in addition of judging eyes from hell's residents
In some believes there's 16, 8 hot hell and 8 cold hell
@@drendraleigh4722 In my country it's 18 layers, at least that's how the saying goes. I'm not sure if it's the variation of Buddhism or just mythos.
Other than the actuall "torture in the afterlife purely for being a woman", it doesn't sound that bad. Like, the preventative rituals seemed kinda sweet tbh.
Even when these myths were believed they were always approached from a 'How can we prevent this from happening' stance in these cultures, Buddhism is about preventing suffering, it doesn't believe that anyone deserves this sort of thing to happen to them
the care/wanting the dead to rest or be free is something I like about it, I mean we don't need the fear but I agree
@@Gothymothmoth i guess, many are scared of what happens when they die and come up with worse case scenarios that spread for various reasons. Being offered potential ways to avoid them would be a comfort, even if you are sitting on the fence about weather its true or not...
And sometimes, the preventative measures are sweet and nice. (Other times they are money grabbing methods thought up by greedy monks, but in this case it isn't, so I kinda like it, it's sweet)
@@bethanybrookes8479 yeah this is harmless (well mostly)
It's fucking sad like, not a single woman decided to be born as one, it isn't a choice. Why through a history we always had to be seen as dirty or some other shit
Oh my Kami!
The idea of pouring plain water on a white cloth stained with real menstrual blood, and the blood actually being cleaned off?? 😂😂
I wish that's how it worked!!
lol true. They usually left it there for a few weeks before taking it down.
Does the water contains H²O²? Lol
@@aiko9393 LMAOOO 😂
Well, the sunshine could have done the job. It's an old trick, to whiten fabric
If it was fresh blood then it might well worked. The trick is hot water develops blood and you are screwed. So you wash blood off in cold water. Dunno about menstrual but for regular bood from scratched mosquito bites it worked fine enough
so basically its a public pool
😱
A shared public drinking pool
With a lot less pee.
@@GeorgeMonet and more blood 👀
Oh no that's even worse
I loved this video because I was always taught mensuration was something you hide. It was refreshing to hear so many jokes in favor of this natural occurring phenomenon!
Medieval Japanese Doctors: "How DARE you be born as a woman, even though you have no say you are a HORRIBLE person for being a woman! You should have been a man!"
Tbh i hate hearing stories that are like "How dare you be born a woman" because it's stupid to hate someone for smt they don't have control over- it's like hating someone for having green eyes
What's worse is if there was an ancient culture that hated green eyes and viewed it as some sign of evil or something deserving punishment, i would not be surprised. Humans are kind of stupid that way.
You see... there are *no* good even somewhat decent endings on Japanese mythos within neither buddhist nor shinto afterlives whatever you did even if that wasnt your fault you get the demon beating
Unless you're into that.
@@Linfamy your sense of humor, dude
@@dantedrowson2511 I’m really addicted to that! Lol.
Stf up you gaijin. Japan is the cutting edge of Buddhism to say the least, unless you want to face miyamoto sans disciples
@@Infinitebrandon lol, what a joke you are
Childbirth death = Izanami Mythology of Her hoo-ha being burned after giving birth to a Fire God and Dying.
Oofff imagine both childbirth and burning to death at the same time, then your husband promises to save you but he yeets once he sees you.
@@adlazmdegil-2933 I imagine when izanagi saw her either the Titanic song, or the lonely I am so lonely or hello darkness my old friend or deltarune flashback OST started playing
This video is amazing Linfamy! One of the videos I have enjoyed the most from your catalogue.
As an interesting topic for a new video: how did Japanese people treat their pets, if they had any? Did they have cats? Dogs? Guinea pigs? Did they keep them in the house?
It is interesting to know that Europeans in villages would live together with their animals inside the home as the animals would increase the heat inside during cold winters. Thus, a household would be a husband, wife, 14 kids and an assortment of sheep, goats and possibly even a cow. Which saves a lot on heating. :) Did Japan have something similar?
In the reign of one shogun, it was a capital offence to harm a dog.
There are many animals in Shintoism seen as good omen or kami.
I think this is a very clear case of the differences between medieval and modern conceptions of the world in general. When we think of spiritual matters in the modern age we tend to think "What is fair and reasonable to us?" And then gravitate towards those doctrines.
But the medieval conception of the world and of spiritual matters was VERY different. To them the world is deeply unfair and horrible in many ways, and that's just how it is. Rather than think "What would be fair and nice for us in the afterlife?" The mentality was much closer to "I wonder what horrors await us in the afterlife? I'm very curious to learn." That it would be terribly unfair for some of these things to happen to you just for being a woman is a moot point. It is terribly unfair when the crops fail and entire villages starve to death, but that happens all the time.
If you tried to point out to many people that this was unfair, many would respond "Yes, and?" The Monks who tried to justify it at all were likely the exceptions.
I think it's less about that, and more about how people who has control over religion then would have way more power over people's life now, so they make rules and tales to control people with fear, but that's just my take on it
@@drendraleigh4722 If the message doesn't resonate with people then they wont spread or maintain it.
A belief doesn't flourish because a religious figure ordains it, it flourishes because it seems right to the people who hear about it. When a terrible belief flourishes the question then becomes, why does this resonate with people?
@@GrimgoreIronhide yeah, that's why I said I think it's 'less' about that, not like not at all, especially when we know people during that time, at least in medieval japan, kinda obsessed over the idea of the suffering of the flesh to the point of romantizisation. If you can't escape it then better enjoy the suffering I guess, lol. I like how people back then accept the morbid nature of mortality but didn't make such a fuzz over it
@@drendraleigh4722 Even in Europe we had this fascination. Women had to have 7+ kids because at least 3 of them would die before the age of 5; if none of them died then that was extremely lucky and unusual. Death was a common occurence like starvation/famine, wars, disease and accidents; the world was a truly horrible and cruel place until only recently and we should be thankful for everything our ancestors sacrificed for us to live the way we do now.
Nowadays we are so protected from that harsh reality which causes people to become disillusioned about death, about the realities of the past which caused people to behave the way they did, and then passing judgement on them with modern values, the values those same people fought and died to make a reality, because they won't understand how very different the world was.
@@GrimgoreIronhide I don't think that's true. Beliefs don't necessarily 'flourish' like that. They usually become predominant because a group with authority within a society adopts a certain perspective for whatever reason and spreads it, establishing it as true or valid. In this case, monks had education and more esteem and authority, and males were almost always seen as superior, educated, and having the right to authority in general during the medieval era in the sinosphere. So it makes a lot of sense that what a monk wrote could easily be perpetuated as a truth, and women flocked to this belief because it was safer to look for sort of protection or security rather than to simply not believe just because they didn't like it.
"The kids gonna have terrible birthdays"
I got it now.....daaaammmmmmmmmnnnn thats cold
Womens perspective on this: the whole menstrual thing is so painful for some of us that I can see women thinking that they must have done *something* to deserve it. I think if I lived in a time where the worldview was dictated by superstition, I would be really confused by the idea of something happening to me EVERY MONTH just because that’s how it is. I would assume that just like everything else in my worldview that there is a reason for it
Love your style of videos and humor as well as this new information i have learned about the blood pool
"No one wants menstrual bloody tea....."
Agreed
"...that often"
......wait hold up
hmmmm menstrual hibiscus tea
Somebody somewhere said once that vampires could take used tampons to make tea.
I still think about it from time to time.
I mostly just think about how even vampires would hate that tea because menses is literally only about 4% blood.
Plus it's dead blood with little to no nutrients left, that's the whole reason we have to flush it out in the first place. Not a very healthy snack for growing young vampires.
_Me, cursed with chronic menorrhagia_ : "a blood pool hell? sounds like my everyday life 🤔"
Of course men's bodies are just as "dirty" as women's. This video was fascinating. Just another day of how grossly misogynist this world has always been.
It's quite the opposite really. Consider for a moment the actual functions of these beliefs and practices.
The Sutra, Protective Talismans, Rituals and prayers are all aimed at the liberation of women.
Having performed the prayers or been blessed by the rituals and sutras, women literally got the "Free Pass" that clears them from anyone who may think of them icky for having menstruation.
It's easy for those with first world privilege to see misogyny in everything through modern lenses, especially of a foreign culture. But often that caused warped perceptions that miss the point.
This goes all the way back to the creation myth of Japan and the first couple. Okinawa had different beliefs. The female creator God wasn't consigned to hell. The priestly class was mostly women. And society viewed women as more useful in general because a woman or a man could till a field, build a house, etc. But only women can give birth. I mean at most you need only a handful of men.
Lol pretty much all houses are built by men and men are physically stronger and till the field far better
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I love it when people get mad when someone says something nice about women.
Yeah that describes 'male disposability' in a nutshell, it would seem toxic by our standards today but it was probably a necessary belief then. That being said I would disagree that women were able to serve as an equal substitute to labourous tasks, it's just that a population would have a greater chance of survival if the women were protected
@@SilliesrShark109 "talking nice about women" by trying to put down men you mean? and i was just stating facts. Pretty much all houses are built by men. And you dont like to hear it .
@@lyuuy7477 sure, that definitely explains your comment history.
"What were they Christians?!" Just when I thought he couldn't be more husbando material.
Well I am
love your sence of humor! keep it up
1:15 so.. you're telling me they made this up because women have puberty? BLAME NATURE NOT US. We can't help it
I really appreciate your videos and your whole channel! I go to one of your play lists whenever I have a hard time falling asleep. And your humour is top notch. I find myself giggling at odd times.
Glad my voice puts you to sleep! 😅
@@Linfamy It is a compliment, as rude as it may sound 😅
@@randomme3095 😁👍
None of the realms are eternal in Buddhism. It completely defies the entire point. The wheel of life is held by the demon of impermanence.
True! I was using "eternity" colloquially, meaning a long time, but yeah it's not an eternity.
@@Linfamy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka_(Buddhism)
Err, you're missing the point, a tad.
Yeah, you can go out, in a couple millions of years according to buddists...
@@nidohime6233 More like trillions or tens of trillions.
YOUR COMMENTARY IS SO FUNNY. I really needed the laugh I love your channel
"remember son, dying is gay"
"remember daughter, dying is a sin"
Same energy
I, myself, like a good menstrual tea every other Thursday.
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Naughty
My day was going crappy and Linfamy posted another video.
Instantly better.
Aw, hope your day gets better
This takes "I BIRTHED YOU AND HAD YOU IN MY STOMACH FOR 9 MONTHS" to a whole new level
I love your deadpan humor so much.
Sounds like a normal period first day...
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Watching this while on my period makes me relate somewhat
You're in the blood pool hell right now? 😂
@@Linfamy yes, I definitely am!
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@@Linfamy I appreciate the sympathy ❤️
When men in my culture think that anything women use like skirts or undergarments are nasty and below them... I tell them to remember which hole they came out from. You could have been the one bleed out in the period. What is worse, it's also the other women shaming other women for those vary things.
3:35 "in this case, it was *women* who spread the message"
wait what??? WHAT???
“Ooh, what kind of torture will I suffer?” with that smiley woman :) and wow woman :O picture made me smile.
This sutra really makes _CLANNAD ~ After Story ~_ hit differently......
No. Just no💔
Wow... sometimes I hate being able to picture most things in my mind without batting an eye. This was something I never thought I would see..
Oof. I mean I hated Nagisa because I found her personality annoying, but it’s not like she deserved this. It’s more like her parents fault because the only reason she became chronically sick in the first place was because they were horrible parents and didn’t take care of their five year old daughter when she needed it.
I have Ojibwe heritage through my grandfather and lots of Indigenous tribes had women isolate in their own living spaces while menstruating. This wasn't because they viewed it as gross or that women were lesser, but rather they believed that they were capable of so much spiritual power during that time of the month.
I found a video of someone explaining dante's inferno in detail and there is also a river or pool of blood somewhere in the 9 levels of hell according to dante. The bloodpool which is a large river like thing is guarded by centaurs who shoot their arrows towards anyone who tries to escape from the blood pool/river. The ones in the middle are completly covered/submerged in the blood while those on the river banks only partly submerged in blood.
What if all hells from different mythologies would be merged, that would kinda be interesting.
In Aztec Mythology childbirth was a battle of its own and women who died giving birth were sended to heaven
What about women who survived giving birth?
@@naraferalina2308 they lived
@@naraferalina2308 same as warriors who survive a battle: get ready for the next one
It's curious how different cultures and religions can influence a new one when it comes in a new country. In a more orthodox buddhist view that punishment doesn't make sense because karma is created not only by actions, but by actions WITH intent; so going straight to hell just for dying for giving birth under a uncontrolled and undesired situation doesn't make sense in the old buddhism.
Edit: your existence in hell or heaven won't be eternal as well. I've explained it better in my answer below.
Sure, past actions can influence the outcome of your death, but they are not a determined fate. If the woman did some good actions during her life before giving birth the consequences of her bad karma could have and WILL have been diminished. Heck, even tibetan monks believe that bad karma can be purified completely.
About how the intention is not only important, but CENTRAL, to the idea of karma: an enlightmened being is someone who realized the truth of reality. He is not shackled by the illusion of a self and so he can't create karma without the "intent" in his actions. For him to reach nibbana he only needs to wait for the rest of his karma that was already created before his enlightenment to "expire" (that's why even a Buddha feel pain, has diseases and so on because you know, he still has a physical body which per se is a karma manifestation, but since he is enlightened he doesn't suffer as the rest of us).
Now consider this: if a Buddha can't create karma anymore what would happen then if anytime he walks he steps on ants? Would he create karma by stepping on them by accident? Do you know how many ants do you kill daily simply by walking? But are you indeed creating karma? No, because there is not an intent behind this act, you can't even see the ants. If we indeed would create karma simply by our actions, regardless of having intentions or not, a Buddha would never reach nibbana, because he would never stop generating karma.
Just for your knowledge cuz I love these vids with buddhist lore from Linfamy 😊 keep it going, dude!
Does this mean Buddhists could believe in the Catholic idea of double effect: basically if you're trying to achieve something good, the bad things that just so happen to happen on the way there don't really matter.
@@jayasuryangoral-maanyan3901 Sry, I couldn't understand your answer very well, but the idea is more like "taking care of a garden full of weeds" instead of just "good things and bad things happen regardless of anything". It takes a more sense of responsibility for buddhism in this case.
For example: any action you do can be good, bad or neutral (those without intention) according with karma. Neutral doesn't do a thing, but both good and bad are like seeds that you sow on the ground. If your field is gonna have more weeds than plants it's going to depend of the quantity of each you are seeding, and even so, you can prevent that weed of growing too much if you plant more good plants that shade on them. They will still be there, of course, but at least their growth (consequences) will be greatly dampened. However the same can happen with good actions though.
Even so, there are some actions that can lead you straight to hell in your next life even with doing loads of good actions until you die. I remember two of them that are killing a Buddha or an enlightened being, and of course killing your parents. But this one about dying on childbirth probably is something that the chinese and japanese traditions believed back then, considering that Buddhism was yet quite new there and they were mixing it with their own religions and cultures.
HOWEVER, and I should have included that in my first comment, the buddhist hells are way different from the catholic ones, cuz your existence in hell is NOT an eternal one. Remember, even falling in hell (or rising to "heaven") is a consequence of karma. And what karma does? It exhausts itself over time. Of course passing several years, in some cases eons, in hell is not the ideal path for a better opportunity for enlightenment, nor your rebirth in heaven is that good too, cuz in this last case you don't even know what is suffering and is too used... as I can say, to a "good life" and won't see that even your existence in heaven is limited too and you r destined for death and rebirth. Beings reborn in hell, though way more difficult, can still be reborn as humans or even celestial beings (there r even stories with that happening) and the opposite is true as well.
That's why the very purpose for buddhists is getting out this circle of rebirth, being hell or even heaven it's not worth it if your are going to die and being reborn anyway. It's way better to just leave the board.
As like with any religion many tend to branch a lot, some even to contradict their own doctrines. I mean just look christianity and its three mayor branches (catholicism, protestantism and ortodox), and that´s without counting the other hundreds smaller ones in each side. Not even them agree as something as simple as drinking alcohol is ok or not.
@@nidohime6233 yeah, unfortunately that's true. I mean, there are some advantages of these cultural introductions to the original religions. I mean, I'm usually proud of Buddhism doing that as a sign of being more tolerant, but there are downsides as well
@Naothue • Anthro thanks! I loved to help 😊 All religions are interesting, but I think buddhism is so out of the box when it comes to majority that It makes even more interesting
@Linfamy your commentary is A class😂
Thank you for keeping morbid history hilarious!
Kind of crazy how periods are taboo.And the fact that dying while child birth is a sin.
I find it interesting that Sutras in Buddhism seemed to work similarly to Indulgences in Catholicism.
Hey any religion can be used to change people
@@Sweet.peach21 I think it’s more about profiting from people off of a perceived “flaw” of them that the person can fix with money
@@noticemesenpai69 it's just like a doctor asked what's wrong with a medically fine health obsessed people. At first, the doctor is "you're alright, your problem is in your "Genji's need healing mentality", if I have to say, your HP right now is 9.999/10.000. now go home and rest.".
After a while, the doctor just kinda give up, and followed suit, taking advantage of that mentality.
The same could be said about religion at the time.
@@noticemesenpai69 Indulgence don't work like that although some people did abuse it. It was more like charity.
Beside in Christianity you worked to honor God and the Church not for salvation. As long as you are with the church or other non-heretical church, you are already by Christ.
Men back then, just make my blood boil. Woman were treated with no respect. Why?? Be thankful for having a wife, a partner and mother of your children. I can't stand it. What did WE do? Oh wait...I guess everything. Bez it's much more convenient to blame woman instead of facing the consequences. I grew up thinking men and woman were equals. Men are strong inorder to defend their family, woman are equal because they bring new life into world. So both sides are equally important and have a strong purpose. Only to find out the world is full of bull. Its depressing.
Yah I get you,
sometimes it’s really complicated thing happens in this world
For the bad side (sorry if it sounds disturbing and English broke)
sometimes men, as an insensitive type being to mistreated to women cause of their rude actions whatsoever. And that goes women thought of all men were the same, but actually it’s not.
When men who’s good and kind, been misunderstood ‘thanks’ to OTHER men such immatures… it sometimes bothers me why.
I didn’t mean to say rude and it’s made me mad too. All men and women should be equal and mutual!
I agree.
You fail to understand how it works and are missing the entire point of these concepts, and how these ideas and practices are meant to work.
Buddhism's entire premise is the acknowledgement and attempt to prevent suffering. The pain, danger and suffering endured by women when it comes to menstruation and childbirth is acknowledged, and the rituals and practices surrounding it are meant to protect, liberate and alleviate their suffering.
Also, it is easy for modern folks to judge people of the past harshly, but modern sanitary hygiene women products have only existed for less than a century. Improper hygiene for menstruation can lead to tons of health complications especially in pre-modern eras.
The codification of these beliefs and the practices surrounding it serves to liberate, protect, and alleviate women from suffering.
Also, in Buddhism, EVERYONE goes to hell, so we're not just sending women to hell for the sake of it. The entire point is to do whatever it takes to make sure they do NOT go to hell.
I see people celebrating cultures where women die in childbirth, with them saying that's a more pro-women culture.
Meanwhile, I'm like... why the fuck would celebrating women's death be feminist?
Over here, we're trying to drill into people that such deaths are complete tragedies and must be prevented at all cost.
"What were they, Christians?"
And so my self-esteem was dropped. Still, good video.
I am a male, and I am glad most of us know better.
…to wipe our butts
But not enough to do anything about stopping this kind of nutty abuse.
@@DonnaBarrHerself How do you know that?
@@albertus_elite829 Has it stopped?
@@albertus_elite829 don’t make eye contact
2:11 What the hell??
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Lol
And yet Western women today are like "omg I love Buddhism because they are so enlightened and not oppressive like Abrahamist religions uwu"
Its crazy to see how 2/3 of japanese folktales are about women getting punished for absolutely nothing or for something they didn't do. And that still reflects on japanese society today
" oooh what kind of torture i will suffer? "
"No one wants Menstrual Tea (that often)." -Linfamy
The scripts just get better and better.
I love your videos❤
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You're videos bring me the kind of happines you get when you didn't study for a test but got full marks. 💖
Love that feeling 😂
Spooky story, just in time for Halloween! Cheers, Lin.
You should do a video on the Souhei warriors of Japan, they’re like alternative religious samurais and I think they’re pretty cool. c:
M. H. Borson includes this in his book The Girl with No Face. It is the second book in The Daoshi Chronicles, about a young woman with "ghost eyes," i.e. who can see into the spirit world. She and her father, a Daoist priest, live in San Francisco in the late 1800s.
“Chi the Yaoi God... oh god,” me too man me too😭 what a fucking username Jesus Christ
that blood pool in devil may cry 3 and full metal alchemist hit way different now that I know what they're made of 🤢🤮
So it’s just-
"How dare you become a 9-16 year old female-"