Agreed, I just go through reading Revelation today. God says there are things that are not and cannot be revealed now- so even if you somehow truly could understand everything in Revelation (which some people say you can, I respectfully disagree) you still don't know the whole of it. I have never been so relieved to get to the 2 last chapters of any book I've every read, as I was with Revelation.
If anyone hasn’t watched that actual interview I would recommend it to you. It’s very informative. Their display of love for one another though differing in opinion needs to be amplified in the church of Christ as a whole. To often we are a bunch of argumentative, fickle people. Lord help us to be your hands and feet and to carry the gospel to the lost and dying!
This has GOT to be one of the best RFM episodes I've seen! It's amazing how all these moments were all in one video! Thanks KBP for this awesome work. It just reminds me: "We are nowhere forbidden to laugh." - John Calvin Blessings to y'all in Christ!
To me Brother Jim was and had more solid arguments. He did way better than Sam Storms in the las 3rd of the debate. And Wilson didn't said much after the first half. As much as I like Piper, don't think he was all in all a good moderator
Get your eschatology ready because you are about to hear some jokes on how Jesus Christ comes back! Grab your pineapple pizza, this is about to get funny! This was an unusual episode for the series. Usually I often intersplice a variety of different clips to create an episode. But the context of some of these videos was eschatology, a very specific area of theology, and it had to be put together side by side to make the most sense. Luckily there were enough clips to create a regular episode. And in case anyone is confused as to the different positions, here is a short description of each (Copied from Desiring God): (Premil) Premillennialism (represented by Jim Hamilton): The return of Christ happens before (pre-) the thousand-year reign of Christ, which is a reign of the risen Christ on the earth. (Amil) Amillennialism (represented by Sam Storms): The return of Christ happens after the thousand-year reign, a reign that occurs in heaven, in the intermediate state, and not upon the earth. Those who have died in faith and entered into the presence of Christ share his rule and reign during the current church age in which we now live. (Postmil) Postmillennialism (represented by Doug Wilson): The return of Christ happens after (post-) the thousand-year reign, which corresponds to the Christian age, and the reign of Christ from heaven leads the church to triumph by and through the gospel to such an extent that the Great Commission will be successfully fulfilled, and the Christian faith will pervade all the cultures of all the nations of men. All Christ’s enemies will be subdued in this way, with the exception of death, which he will destroy by his coming. John Piper was moderating, but he would be a Premil. And if you are wondering what position I am... go listen to my teaching series in Joel 2. Enjoy!
Dr. Hamilton is my pastor so I wanted to share this anecdote. Sometimes he'll be away giving a lecture and miss a Sunday service. The next week, as he's greating everyone who missed him last Sunday, he'll shake their hands and say "Glad to have you back". It's the most alpha thing I've ever witnessed.
Hahaha! Fantastic! I watched this years ago and with the different opinions of so many I respect...... it's hard not to be in what I call, "wait and see-ism".😊
Having just finished Revelation today, I appreciate this video even more. Not that I know if I agree with any of them - God's plan is perfect whether I understand it now or not. Great job!
when the little people ask me if [fill in the blank] is in heaven, my response is the same: "either that, or something better will be there." So, there will be football, or something better. (Like Rugby!) :-) My daughter asked me if our dog will go to heaven, then if there are any dogs in heaven; so, I said that dogs will be there, or something better. She said she couldn't imagine anything better than dogs. So, based on the combined information...there will be dogs in heaven. And, so on....
Although not a Christian song in any way, it's like that song "If I die before I wake, at least in heaven I can skate." My husband would love if there was skateboarding (or something better lol).
So now I have to watch that whole discussion. I normally avoid discussions on eschatology because of the fruitless arguments, but this one may be different.
If you enjoy reading, I highly recommend the book "The meaning of the millennium". They take the four different views, give them each a chapter to state their case, ame then the other three reply to it. It is completely fair how it is written.
Seriously it's a bit old school but in April of 08 in one of the last DLs of the month James White talks about almost getting run over while riding his bike and he calls the guy who did it a moron. It's actually a very funny clip if you can find it.
There's also the "mid trib" perspective ("dude, we can only take so much!") and the pan-trib, perspective, to which I subscribe..."however it pans out with God is fine by me." (for the serious theologians...these are not meant to be taken seriously! but, they are fun!) :-)
a suggestion/idea, maybe you could do some rfm that's around a branch of systematic theology😂, like Theology-proper talking about the trinity and jokimg about the "egg" Trinity analogy😂
Oh absolutely. Watch Chuck Missler commentary on revelation..it is Amazing. Then watch his on Genesis.. The Guy is something else... Oh it's all available on TH-cam
I am pre-millennial but I don't really care if I'm wrong it doesn't matter that is a true secondary issue like how old is the earth it doesn't matter what matters is if we agree that the Lord Jesus Christ is God and that we agree that the Bible is true and that we need to follow it and follow the lord God almighty.
As Paul Washer had said:
"Regarding Eschatology, you will know everything about the Lord's 2nd Coming when he returns! " 😜😅
That’s how I feel! It’s the only eschatological position I feel certain of. 😊
Agreed, I just go through reading Revelation today. God says there are things that are not and cannot be revealed now- so even if you somehow truly could understand everything in Revelation (which some people say you can, I respectfully disagree) you still don't know the whole of it.
I have never been so relieved to get to the 2 last chapters of any book I've every read, as I was with Revelation.
Amen 🙏🏼
That's great. You wouldn't happen to know which sermon that was from?
These 4 men standing firm on their opinion and still loving each other’s company is a real joy to see
Absolutely!
Amen
Doug goes to Heaven, finds out "football" is soccer.
Lol
Yes!!!
If anyone hasn’t watched that actual interview I would recommend it to you. It’s very informative.
Their display of love for one another though differing in opinion needs to be amplified in the church of Christ as a whole.
To often we are a bunch of argumentative, fickle people.
Lord help us to be your hands and feet and to carry the gospel to the lost and dying!
I watched it quite awhile back. After watching this, I’m doing it again.
Other than the pre-mil guy being a little too aggressive, it was a great interaction.
@@Ironica82 not necessarily aggressive, it’s just that Jim was quite animated and hence he interrupted frequently.
Doug's humor is hilarious 😅
Practically all the jokes are from him haha.
Whatever else you think of Wilson, he is the very definition of a "happy warrior".
Doug is such a beast. So quick.
This should be called an evening with Doug Wilson.
“So are we in it now?”
“Yeah, I suspect...”
“Cool!”
“...not.”
🤦🏼
Man....I love healthy conversations like this. Iron Sharpening Iron in Love with Lots of Laugh.
This has GOT to be one of the best RFM episodes I've seen! It's amazing how all these moments were all in one video! Thanks KBP for this awesome work. It just reminds me:
"We are nowhere forbidden to laugh." - John Calvin
Blessings to y'all in Christ!
Doug Wilson ruled that "debate". I watch that at least 2x a month. Maybe once a week even. Its so good!
Nah, he didn't
To me Brother Jim was and had more solid arguments. He did way better than Sam Storms in the las 3rd of the debate. And Wilson didn't said much after the first half. As much as I like Piper, don't think he was all in all a good moderator
Be it pre,a,postmil, all will forget about these eschatological conundrums when we see our Lord come in His glory! Man, can’t wait!
Get your eschatology ready because you are about to hear some jokes on how Jesus Christ comes back! Grab your pineapple pizza, this is about to get funny! This was an unusual episode for the series. Usually I often intersplice a variety of different clips to create an episode. But the context of some of these videos was eschatology, a very specific area of theology, and it had to be put together side by side to make the most sense. Luckily there were enough clips to create a regular episode. And in case anyone is confused as to the different positions, here is a short description of each (Copied from Desiring God):
(Premil) Premillennialism (represented by Jim Hamilton): The return of Christ happens before (pre-) the thousand-year reign of Christ, which is a reign of the risen Christ on the earth.
(Amil) Amillennialism (represented by Sam Storms): The return of Christ happens after the thousand-year reign, a reign that occurs in heaven, in the intermediate state, and not upon the earth. Those who have died in faith and entered into the presence of Christ share his rule and reign during the current church age in which we now live.
(Postmil) Postmillennialism (represented by Doug Wilson): The return of Christ happens after (post-) the thousand-year reign, which corresponds to the Christian age, and the reign of Christ from heaven leads the church to triumph by and through the gospel to such an extent that the Great Commission will be successfully fulfilled, and the Christian faith will pervade all the cultures of all the nations of men. All Christ’s enemies will be subdued in this way, with the exception of death, which he will destroy by his coming.
John Piper was moderating, but he would be a Premil. And if you are wondering what position I am... go listen to my teaching series in Joel 2.
Enjoy!
Being as you just had Durbin on, I think I know your position....haha. it was a great interview by the way! You asked perfect questions.
@@joshhigdon4951 You might be shocked... :D Thanks for the compliment though!
@@joshhigdon4951 uuuuh yea he's not post mill unfortunately
I can confirm that there is indeed the capability of playing football in Heaven, because there’s lots and lots of room to do so.
I think you're thinking of the big big yard, but I concur.
Dr. Hamilton is my pastor so I wanted to share this anecdote.
Sometimes he'll be away giving a lecture and miss a Sunday service. The next week, as he's greating everyone who missed him last Sunday, he'll shake their hands and say "Glad to have you back".
It's the most alpha thing I've ever witnessed.
I don't get it
I've literally watched all 19 episodes so far and they're always so good. Thanks so much for making such a great series!
You’re welcome!
This makes me so happy I just had to watch again! 💕
Hahaha! Fantastic! I watched this years ago and with the different opinions of so many I respect...... it's hard not to be in what I call, "wait and see-ism".😊
"17th dimension floaty place" is my favorite line from that talk lol
Do I feel like an absolute geek while watching this video? Yes, of course.
Do I wish otherwise? Not a bit!
Having just finished Revelation today, I appreciate this video even more. Not that I know if I agree with any of them - God's plan is perfect whether I understand it now or not. Great job!
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve listened to this debate. It’s so enjoyable. Thank you for making this!!! 😅
Amil, Premil or Postmil, nonetheless - Come Lord Jesus come!
Amen!
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Just as long as you're not Dispensational LOL.
The Lord is not coming a third time. He said He was coming in the first century and so He did in AD70.
@@lexle6203 so you’re a full preterist? Most postmil are partial, or the ones I know, reason I’m asking.
Watching the original video and John Piper does an excellent job moderating this
Phe-no-me-nal !!
You even made me want to watch the whole original thing once more.
Great work, real fun!
Thank you for this.
I look forward to watching the whole thing 👏🏼🙏🏼
another great one from KBP
Love this! And love the editing! Now I'm pursuing the entire discussion to hear other view points. I am premillenial though :)
Pre-mill! 🙏🏼🤗
Dr. John Piper is asking you the question. Just repent and agree with him. 😆 great vid as always!
Nice to see these guys being candid.
Great video😊
I thoroughly enjoyed this lol, thank you 🤗👍.
This was awesome, a very different but great funny moments! More like this!! Would be great!!
Well... now I gotta watch the whole thing lol, I loved this! Great job brother!
The amillennial guy is a bit overlooked in these clips. Classic. Amil is like the middle child of eschatological positions.
Thanks for putting this together
Best one yet, this was awesome!!
One of my favorite Kuiper…
…and the funny thing is… somebody’s wrong 😂
You on a roll!!! 🤠
Nice! One of your best
Awesome love each other as I loved you God bless everybody
I was hoping you would do one for this video. Hilarious!
Doug is the wittiest
So many are coming out!!!!
Was so excited when I saw this on twitter
5:59 replaying this so many times 😂😂😂
So this is what it is like to be first.
🤜🤛
Oh man! It’s been a while since I’ve watched that! I forgot how many zingers were in there…
A cute conversation
Love these videos
Brightens my day
Keep it up
Nice looked like a lot of fun
when the little people ask me if [fill in the blank] is in heaven, my response is the same: "either that, or something better will be there." So, there will be football, or something better. (Like Rugby!) :-) My daughter asked me if our dog will go to heaven, then if there are any dogs in heaven; so, I said that dogs will be there, or something better. She said she couldn't imagine anything better than dogs. So, based on the combined information...there will be dogs in heaven. And, so on....
Although not a Christian song in any way, it's like that song "If I die before I wake, at least in heaven I can skate." My husband would love if there was skateboarding (or something better lol).
Anyways loved it!
He’s coming to,reign not on this same earth but on a new earth yes
Friends don't let friends iminitize the eschaton.
This is great 😂
So now I have to watch that whole discussion. I normally avoid discussions on eschatology because of the fruitless arguments, but this one may be different.
There was a section in the introduction explaining the importance of discussions on eschatology
@@joeluaje5389 Thanks! I listened to the complete discussion and I am glad I did. I think I will listen to it again.
If you enjoy reading, I highly recommend the book "The meaning of the millennium". They take the four different views, give them each a chapter to state their case, ame then the other three reply to it. It is completely fair how it is written.
@@Ironica82 I've read this book, it is a good summary of each view.
Seriously it's a bit old school but in April of 08 in one of the last DLs of the month James White talks about almost getting run over while riding his bike and he calls the guy who did it a moron. It's actually a very funny clip if you can find it.
There's also the "mid trib" perspective ("dude, we can only take so much!") and the pan-trib, perspective, to which I subscribe..."however it pans out with God is fine by me." (for the serious theologians...these are not meant to be taken seriously! but, they are fun!) :-)
They are really more funny than an atheist student after dark 🤗🤠
I love on how john piper laughs 😂😂
Yay
a suggestion/idea, maybe you could do some rfm that's around a branch of systematic theology😂, like Theology-proper talking about the trinity and jokimg about the "egg" Trinity analogy😂
I’m Post-Trib, but trust me I pray I’m wrong and it is Pre-Trib lOl
I see that you also saw that video 😂
Audio A said that God's house has a big big yard where we can play football. Therefore, there shall be football in heaven 😉
Yaasss!! I had forgotten that! 😄
Dooouug 😂😂😂😂😂
What eschatological position does Joshua hold to?
This was excellent!
I'm very new to eschatology- any book recommendations to help me get a good view of all the positions?
Regards
Nico
South Africa
Look up The Meaning Of The Millennium. Amazing book that gives all four views as well as replies to them.
Oh absolutely. Watch Chuck Missler commentary on revelation..it is Amazing. Then watch his on Genesis..
The Guy is something else...
Oh it's all available on TH-cam
Not radically renovated. God says a new heaven and a new Earth.
But football/soccer is the greatest sport
YES!! ⚽️ GOOOOOOOOOAL!!💪🏻😎
What is postmil or premil?
I am pre-millennial but I don't really care if I'm wrong it doesn't matter that is a true secondary issue like how old is the earth it doesn't matter what matters is if we agree that the Lord Jesus Christ is God and that we agree that the Bible is true and that we need to follow it and follow the lord God almighty.
Lol
#datpostmil
Who’s right? 🤷♂️
I am not a Piper fan.
That's okay. Neither am I, but i AM a Doug Wilson fan 😊
Hahaha why?
I fly a Cessna
This was kind of blah.....we need a mixture from various places.