What is your Eschatology - Premillennialism, Postmillennialism, or Amillennialism?
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- In this video from the Ask Anything Tour, Dr. Mohler answers a question on which view of the millennium he holds to, premillennialism, postmillennialism, or amillennialism?
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Historic Premillennialism is experiencing a revival, and I am so glad you are open about it. Thank you Dr. Mohler for clearly teaching for all these years, and for being so consistent throughout your time.
I love Dr. Mohler and his work. I have massive respect for him and I am even a student at the school he is the president of (Souther Baptist Theological Seminary). But I must say that this isn't a very fair representation of Amillennialism. Dr. Schriener (an SBTS professor) described Amil as more accurately called "Present-millennialism" since it holds to the teaching that the millennial reign is a symbolic amount of time that is happening now and began with Christ's resurrection from the dead. Satan was bound at the defeat of the cross and His power to deceive the nations is hindered as the Gospel goes forth. Other scholars have pointed out that if you remove Revelation 20 from the Bible, there really is no grounds for the pre-mil position as no other passage even alludes to a literal thousand year reign on the earth. Given it is an unclear passage in apocalyptic genre, we are always to interpret the unclear passages of scripture in light of the clear passages of scripture. No where else in the New Testament (or Old) do we see something like an thousand year reign before the final judgement. We see Christ coming once and for all, judging the living and the dead, and making all things new in what appears to be a single coming.
There are many more things to say, but Kim Riddlebager book on Amillennialism was a great resource.
Again, nothing but respect to Dr. Mohler. I understand he has the challenge of answering a deep theological question in 5 minutes that people have written tens of thousands of pages on over the past 2,000 years. I just wanted to add that there is more to the amil position than "we don't believe there is a millennial reign."
But Paul tells the Thessalonians, that Satan hindered him(I Thessalonians 2:8)? Way after the crucifixion. Please dont confuse the brusing of Satan by Christ (the Gospels), the crushing of Satan under assemblies (Romans 16), with the banishment of him in the pit. No longer deceiving the nations means they see are not deceiving as well.
I was shocked by that too. He really does not know what amillennialism is, and instead of admitting it, he creates a false version of it and hand waves it offstage.
I don't buy the WWI argument against postmillennialism. The black death in the 14th century killed half of Europe, and in some towns 1 out of every 4 people you saw were going to be dead in the next 24 hours. I'd say that's pretty grim, arguably more so than WWI, and yet there are more Christians in the world today (over 2 billion) than there were in the entire world in the 14th century (less than 500 mil). I also don't agree with the characterization that Christians will make the world a better place to Jesus's satisfaction for him to return. The last enemy that is thrown into the lake of fire is death and hades, which means all other enemies will have been defeated or put into submission, which means that over time Christ's gospel is going forth into the world as more and more people submit to Christ. So if God is putting all Christ's enemies under submission (foot language in Psalm 110) and the last enemy is death and hades before the new heavens and new earth, then it follows that more of the world becomes Christian.
The word "Christian" is used very loosely. How many are following Jesus and the Apostles instead of the creeds, doctrines, and traditions of men?
You can take that different ways in stead of a gradual process you can take it as the judgement against the evil ones all at once. You can also point back to Christ consider he defeats death, hell, (hades) and the evil one on the cross. He won that victory. Just throwing that out there.
In context, he was referring to the relative popularity of a post-millennial view among western Christians at the end of the 19th century. WW I is not an argument for or against any millennial view, but it did dampen the optimism for human progressive that gave post-millennialism such a 19th century boost. By analogy, the 20th century founding of the state of Israel gave Dispensational premillennialism a huge boost within American evangelicalism.
2 Thess 2, Rev 13.8. The way is narrow and the gate is straight. The whole world will follow after the beast.
I like Pastor Mohler, but I think he shortchanged the Amillenial position. This was the standard view of the Church universal until the mid 1800’s. This is a view that I have come to rest upon after being somewhat of a Dispensationalist for decades. Even though we may disagree, that does not mean that we are not brothers in Christ. Too often people in all three camps think that their view is the mark of a True Christian.
Just wondering what the Amillenial view is about Satan being released after the thousand years to deceive the nations for a short time. I understand that there is a lot of symbolism in books of prophecy in the bible, so I'm very curious about that part/ Thank you.
@@shawniman7806 Amil view: Prior to the second coming of Christ, Satan will be released and deceive the nations, and there will be a mass falling away from the faith and a persecution of the church. When I take a look at the world now, I am starting to believe Satan has already been released......
News paper eschatology. Not a lot of scripture.
But the verses exist. He believes in a somewhat literal reading of Revelation. Not too hard to find the verses to support his position.
I appreciate the charitable spirit of your answer, Dr Mohler, but this is the first time I have heard you represent opposing views in a way those who hold them would not recognize them as their own.
I am aware of no amillennialist or postmillenialist who would agree with your summary of their position. Literally none.
I don’t as an Amillenialist either. See Voddie Baucham or Sam Stone as examples. I don’t see any clear scripture for rapture without interpretism.
As a postmillennialist, none of us believe we are "making the world better so Jesus is satisfied enough to come back." We believe Jesus is sanctifying the world and preparing His bride before He comes back.
The first derivative of Posties is Christian Nationalism. So, yes, part of the eschatology of Posties is to tidy up the world for Christ's return. Amils and premils, not so much(if at all). As a premil, I believe that the world is unredeemable until Christ's return. As Paul wrote, this world has its own god. That god is not my God. My job is to preach the gospel to people and pray that the Holy Spirit bring individuals out of the world to join us as not of this world too. This world is the Titanic, it is going down. Nothing is stopping it. We call folks with ears to hear to the life boat. That life boat is Christ.
@@Saratogan "tidy up the world for Christ's return" seems like a rather demeaning way to describe a confidence that the gospel holds a uniquely powerful ability to transform the lives of those who are captured by it and a faith that it will prevail over unbelief. Postmillennialists believe that the gospel is effective and will eventually transform nearly all human society. Premillennialists believe the gospel is effective but will remain rejected by most of human society. Both are orthodox views that deeply value the gospel without elevating human effort.
great relpy
@@ryanlowery8417, Why is it demeaning? I thought it was just adding a little levity to describe the eschatology of Postmils and is no worse than Al Mohler's. I certainly have had worse from Postmils on my position. It usually incorporates the words "cowardly pacifist". But, no matter. Sorry if my joke offended you.
Our Lord Himself said that there are two roads. One is like a heavily traveled LA freeway and the other is like a narrow path in the Ozarks that few find so it is difficult to understand how "the gospel... will eventually transform nearly all human society." We premils understand that even after 1,000 years of the Lord Jesus' rule and Satan is loosed for a short season that mankind will yet again rise up in rebellion. (Rev 20) This is confirmed by Jeremiah's rhetorical question: "The heart is deceitful above all things, and incurable; who can know it?" Only those who have had a heart transplant escape this.
@@Saratogan "The first derivative of Posties is Christian Nationalism." The inevitable outcome of the fulfillment of the cultural mandate is the Christianization of the earth. The great commission commands the discipling of nations, the implication of which is those nations becoming Christian.
"As a premil, I believe that the world is unredeemable until Christ's return."
Christ died to redeem the world [Jn 3:16-18] and yet you reason that mission is going to fail.
Your eschatology implies the failure of the great commission and the defeat of the church which is vested with Christ's authority by the forces Satan.
Worse yet, your eschatology has Christ ruling from an earthly temple by military force for 1000 years. Where's your scripture for Christ recommending or using military force to produce obedience?
My kingdom is not of this world. Christ reigns right now at the right hand of the father and will do so until all his enemies are under his feet. Postmill.
Christ already gathered their (house of Israel who came to Christ) enemies (house of Israel, who rejected Christ) under His feet, in the first century. The last enemy was death (the last of the Jews who rejected Christ, committed suicide at the Masada in April of AD73, along with the lawless one, who’s breath of his mouth, by his speech, caused them to commit suicide). Then shortly after was their last Yom Teruah, which brought them to their last day.
Amen Brother.
The Kingdom develops
V E R Y
G R A D U A L L Y, all the many "Kingdom Parables" emphasize that factor.
So much so, that when we lack Historical context + overview, we MISS the long term growth trends showing the Nations ARE coming to Christ !
And per Isaiah 9:7, it's "the Zeal of the LORD of Hosts, shall perform this"
Perform what ?!?
The unstoppable growth of the Church, Kingdom & reign of Christ our LORD - before His bodily return & upon David's THRONE - where He is this very moment.
Dr Mohler assumes (but can't find) that JESUS will reign in a 3rd rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem, that's the 'unfounded Dispensational assumption".
Not a single verse / passage says Christs reign is on an earthly throne.
They say "in Heaven, at God's Right hand", repeatedly.
Several Key ones in the OT say so very descriptively & say HOW this Heavenly reign of Jesus CAUSES Kingdom & advance of the Church, as a result!
Psalm 2, 110 then quoted again 12x in the New Testament !
How Dispy Premillennialist guys can miss or mis-interpret these passages I've no idea.
The 2-3 other KEY passages that shed light on this issue are:
Isaiah 9:7
Acts 2:31
1 Cor 15
Look those up read context THEN read Psalms 2 & 110 + the 12x Psalm 110:1 is re-quoted in the Acts 7x in every message the Apostles preached.
Those TRUTHS transformed me from a pearl clutching, fearful newspaper exegete to a BOLD POSTMILLENNIALIST about 25 years ago.
I did like Dr Mohlers insight about why Christ must have a Postmillennial Reign on a physical 🌎 Earth: to show ALL humanity how awesome Life would have been IF Adam & Eve had NOT fallen.
This IS a challenging topic with much nuance & MUCH study of MANY passages.
@@soteriology400 lol. The death referred to in context is the final defeat of mortality when believers are raised into immortality as the last verses of 1 Cor 15 plainly state. Christ currently rules until sin, death, and Satan are defeated in earth. Postmil
@@martyroth2994 They (house of Israel) were already raised to immortality on their last day. The death was referring to their enemies, enemies of Israel who came to Christ. The last of their enemies were destroyed at the Masada.
I found it interesting how quickly he dismisses Amillinealism by saying it's nowhere in scripture. You might as well dismiss all of the other metaphors used in the new testament.
Jesus' reign is not a metaphor. It's a reality.
I never said the reign of Christ was a metaphor.@@LRibeiro97
I agree. And I’m not sure he represented the position accurately?
much of Revelation is a symbolic metaphor.@@LRibeiro97
@man Curious that my reply was deleted. So allow me to state why I think this video is dismissive. He said there was no scriptural basis. But the fact is there is no scriptural basis for a premillennial rapture, or 7 year tribulation. Which is a critical interpretation for premillennialism. You won't find it. Unless of course you interpret the scripture from you english translation. Then a person can make it say whatever they want.
1. First of all John tells us to interpret the book symbolically.Revelation 1:1
The Revelation (Unveiling) of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto Him, (Jesus) to show (demonstrate/ teaching) unto his bond servants (all who truly follow Christ) things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified (Sémainó means a sign/symbol) it by his angel unto his servant John:
2. Revelation 20:6
"Blessed and holy is he who has a part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ and shall reign with Him a thousand years."
There are but three ways in which the phrase "a thousand years" can be understood here: either:
(a) literally; or,
(b) in the prophetic use of the term, where a day would stand for a year, thus making a period of three hundred and sixty thousand years; or,
(c) figuratively, supposing that it refers to a long but indefinite period of time. We must remember that this is a vision which is something that you see.
This vision covers a broad sweep of time on earth-the time between the ascension and second coming of Christ. The focus is on the binding of Satan during the reign of Christ. The climax is the demise of Satan who gets out of the frying pan and into the fire.
This 1000 years took place in a vision which John saw, but John did not need to live 1000 years to see it. The 1000 years did not take place in earth time. It took place in God’s time so to speak, and "a thousand years in [God’s] sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night" (Psalm 90:3-5).
In this vision, Satan is bound and locked in the Abyss for the entire 1000 years (Revelation 20:1-3). This represents the impotence of Satan compared to the mighty power of Christ. In the vision, Christ reigns, and his faithful with him, for the entire 1000 years (Revelation 20:4). Peter declared that Christ commenced his reign when he ascended to heaven (Acts 2:29 - 36).
A thousand years was the length at which Rabbis fixed the duration of Messiah’s kingdom. The period is not to be understood literally. “Thousand” in the Greek is 'Chilioi' which means total inclusiveness, showing no one (nothing) is left out.
Am I missing something because no premillennialist I’ve ever heard believes it’s gonna be a sinless thousand years that’s not biblical at all.
Yeah that’s weird
We do exist. Dispies don't believe it, but historic premils do.
It will not be sinless. Every country that doesn’t go to Jerusalem to the Temple for Sukkot will not have rain, see Zechariah 14.
The Torah (Law of God) will be enforced worldwide, Psalm 19 (I believe).
Definitely agree that there will be sin during the millennial kingdom. What is your opinion on death in the millennial kingdom?
If you want a perfect example of someone reading their newspaper into their Bible this video is a good one. If you fault the postmil view becoming less attractive to people because of major wars then people before and after those wars were not mainly concerned with what scripture said anyways. Postmil makes the most sense with the biblical promises, poetry and the great commission. Add in the incredible explanatory power of partial preterism and you can’t be a premil and the positive statements in scripture about Christ reigning make being postmil the only choice.
Postmill makes the least sense as the world is not getting better its becoming more wicked.
@@TheJpep2424has the world gotten better since Jesus gave the Great Commission? Absolutely. There's been no new Babylons or Romes rise up and persecute Christians as viciously as they persecuted God's people for as long as Babylon or Rome did and the gospel has progressed in the world. You're using the wrong time increments.
Jesus has authority both in Heaven and on Earth and He gave the Great Commission knowing that it would be successful in the long run. There will be seasons of dips and spikes and we're in a dip right now, but I think it will start getting better soon.
Big problem Al in your Jesús Millenium kingdom is people keep sinning and dying. That's not a perfect kingdom
That's not true. Historic Premillennialism sees Christ's physical reign as perfection on earth during that time. We don't have the issue that dispensationalism has where they somehow believe that there will be people getting saved on a different basis, or without the Holy Spirit, or some of those kinds of pronounced difficulties.
It's my opinion that most older Christians' (over 60) views on this subject are pretty much set in stone, due mostly to tradition, and they wouldn't be open to any other views. However, younger Christians are more open, diligently studying the scriptures as well as external sources, and forming their own opinions. For those of you who are interested in diving deeper, I would recommend reading "Before Jerusalem Fell," by Dr. Kenneth Gentry. He presents all three of the major views along with supporting evidence for each of them. I would also recommend " The Last Days According to Jesus" by Dr. R.C. Sproul. Your view on eschatology will shape the way you interpret much of scripture as well as the current and future roles of the Church.
Of course, as an Amillennialist I have to complain about his terrible explanation of my position. I know that he is just doing a q&a, but c’mon man!
I agree. I appreciate Dr. Mohler but that wasn’t helpful at all.
I like Mohler, and he usually knows his stuff, but that was a BAAAAAAD description of the Amil position.
I agree that his answer was trite, shallow, and unhelpful. Dr Mohler can give a good explanation pf historic premil, John MacArthur will be better on dispensational premil, Sam Storms better on amill, and Doug Wilson and Jeff Durbin better on postmil. I'm disappointed with Dr Mohler here, and I lean postmil.
@@baj3085 agreed. And Storms’ book Kingdom Come was very good IMO, even if it doesn’t completely convince someone of the A-Mil position.
Revelation 20:1-6 does not say that the 1,000 year reign is on the earth. Having said that, it is possible that it is, but the text doesn’t say that.
Rev20: 3-4 Satan is bound 1000 years ,which begins the 1000year reign of Christ. Read also Isaiah 2:4 . The bible doesn't mention kitchen, but when I'm hungry that's my place to go.
@@memyselfeyetallent7149 Once again, the point I was raising in my comment was that Rev. 20:1-6 does NOT say that the 1,000 year reign is on the earth. Again, it very well might be, but we would have to go to other texts to substantiate that claim, which interestingly, is exactly what you did by going to the Isaiah passage, thus proving my point. Furthermore, Isaiah 2 says nothing about a millennium or 1,000 year reign. It simply says in v. 2 of that passage "In the last days..." or "In the latter days..." Lastly, I am not trying to make the case that the 1,000 year reign spoken of in Rev. 20 is NOT on the earth. I am completely open to the idea that the 1,000 years may, in fact, be on the earth. But Rev. 20 does not prove that.
@@memyselfeyetallent7149 First the man of sin, with his mark. This is anti-Christ, counterfeiting Messiah. He will be satan and his minions calls this the 1.000 year reign of lucifer - the golden age - the great re-set. If you build it, he will come. Messiah returns in Wrath and Judges the whole world for eternity.
@@71jakeman the 1.000 reign is of satan, which will last for one hour. The 1.000 year reign of Messiah is forever in eternity.
@@psalm2764 fair point. I think in the context of this conversation, we are referring to the 1,000 year reign of Christ (not Satan, which is a valid thing to consider also) and whether or not that reign is on the earth as understood by the premillennial position. Having said that, I tend to agree with you that Jesus’ reign is forever (Luke 1:33 for example).
I love Al Mahler, but his description of an amillennialist is wrong - yes the millennium is here and now and not after some unscriptural second of three comings of Christ. Yes Satan is bound in that he is no longer able to deceive the whole of the nations outside of Israel. But when Christ returns He establishes his eternal kingdom that is as earthly as it is heavenly - there is a new heaven and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. This fits perfectly with Ezekiel 47 which premillennialism interprets as referring to a millennial Israel whereas Revelation 22 is obviously a direct reference to this chapter of Ezekiel and is describing the new earth to which the new heaven has descended.
I don't think Amil necessarliy precludes a future earthly reign of Christ and his church as described in Rev 21-22. I think the common thought is that the 1000 years in Rev 20 is basically the church age with the resurrection being spiritual not physical. The conflict described in versus 20:7-10 is the same as Rev 19 :19-21.
Amillennialism teaches that Christ is reigning now over the entire cosmos from heaven. The dead in Christ reign with him in heaven and the alive in Christ who are on earth are also reigning with him in spirit here on earth. That's why the defeat of Satan and the Great White Throne Judgment takes place after the thousand years are ended (Rev 20:7-15). It's not a literal "one thousand years" like Premillennialists suppose. And God already fulfilled all of his promises to ancient Israel (Joshua 21:43-45, 1 Kings 8:56).
That’s certainly one opinion.
Amillennialism is false doctrine.
@@toddstevens9667 I think the point of the comment was to correct Mohler's definition of amillennialism. No amillennialist holds the position that there is no millennium. Amillennialism is a misnomer for nuncmillenialism- millennium now.
@@VicLabsGosh, I don’t even remember my comment. But I’ve never heard of Nuncmillennialism. These words are getting harder and harder to spell lol
@@VicLabsI get it now. But I don’t think that he meant that there is no Millennium for Amillennialists, but no literal, earthly Millennium for Amillennialists.
1. I'm torn between identifying as either a Post Cerealist or a General Millsyist because Coca Pebbles and Cocoa Puffs are that similar in taste, even if different in texture.
2. Even if I was an amillenialist, I would still sing A-MEN at the end of hymns, rather than A-MIL.
3. Should Al Mohler convince me into becoming a premillenialist, then I would also consider myself a Mohlerialist, but not a malarialist since I avoid mosquitos.
4. If ever I did survive tribulation to live during an earthly millenium, then I would request some Milleni Vanilli flavor ice cream.
5. If an amillenialist prepares their eggs with chopped up bits of ham, onions, tomatoes and bell peppers, would they also be considered an omelletialist?
Why did you edit
So you may better 'get it'?
@@annakimborahpa but did you 'get it'?
No, but my new added No. 5, I would be 'fed it.'
@@annakimborahpa and also the Lego with needle
What about the last two chapters of Revelation? New heavens & new earth? Seems the three views should agree on that as well but, if I heard you correctly, the end of the reign on earth begins eternity in heaven. How do you reconcile that against the backdrop of scripture?
1000 year in Revelation is really 1000 years based on the genre?....
Disclaimer: I have no college degrees and I’ve never attended seminary classes.
My great grandparents identified with three different denominations. I suspect my grandmothers were both “followers” in the sense of only studying for the purpose of “proving” the correctness of what they had been taught.
I never thought of my parents that way however. Our parents read Bible stories to my siblings and me and encouraged us to memorize Bible passages from the Hebrew Bible, the Gospels and the Epistles. I had memorized more than 150 before I was ten. Repeatedly when I was a boy, my dad told me to “Read for yourself, study for yourself and think for yourself.” But our parents did more than that. They also encouraged us to read about scientists, inventors, politicians and theologians. It was clear to me that they wanted us to admire such people but WITHOUT idolizing them.
One book our parents bought for us and encouraged us to read was about Martin Luther. Another was about John Wesley. There may have been others I don’t remember. And they taught us how to study for ourselves using marginal references (aka cross references) and concordances.
I appreciate this video because this is the first time I’ve heard an explanation I could understand about how someone can think of the millennial reign being on Earth but only lasting a thousand years.
From my study of the history of eschatology, I’m aware that many people answer this question (“What is your Eschatology - Premillennialism, Postmillennialism, or Amillennialism?”) by giving one or more reasons they reject the two answers with which they disagree.
Before the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem, the prevailing eschatology in Judea was the anticipation of a political messiah who would drive the Romans out of Judea and allow the Sanhedrin full autonomy in at least Judea and perhaps the entire area over which King David had reigned.
If you will read the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew chapters 5 to 7) from that perspective, it may make it easier to understand why Jesus was considered a threat to the religious establishment of his day.
Beginning about the sixth century, the prevailing view in western Europe was that the millennial reign had already begun - i.e. the pope was the vicar of Jesus and some buildings were known as cathedrals because they contained the bishops’ thrones (from the Latin “cathedra” meaning “seat”).
In the fourteenth century, John Wycliffe, an English scholastic philosopher, theologian, Bible translator and reformer, began to encourage people to develop a personal relationship with God.
John Hus (aka Jan Hus) was born sometime around 1372 in the town of Husinec, Bohemia in the area now known as the Czech Republic. He, too, encouraged people to confess their sins directly to God. He was considered such a danger to the religious establishment, he was burned at the stake in 1415.
Henry VII was king of England from April 22, 1509 until his death in 1547. By the “Act of Supremacy (1534), the English Parliament recognized Henry VIII as “Supreme Head of the Church of England, thus renouncing allegiance to the papal system - which is ironic because, in the process King Henry became his own “little pope”.
The Church of England adopted some of the doctrines of Martin Luther and other reformers but some of the English didn’t think the reforms were adequate. Their attempt to “purify” the Church of England led to them being called “puritans”. The Mayflower Pilgrims and most or all of the other puritans who settled in North America in the seventeenth century prohibited Swearing, Drinking, Dancing, Theater, Christmas, Confession (to a priest), The sale of indulgences, Pilgrimages (as a means of obtaining merit or favor with God), Prayers directed to “saints” (people who had died and had been beatified), Clerical vestments, Kneeling to receive the bread of the Lord’s supper
and, at least in some circumstances, making the sign of the cross.
According to Albert Moler, post-millennialism - the teaching that Christian teaching would, over a thousand-year period, prepare the world for the return of Jesus - “was very attractive to a lot of Christains at the end of the nineteenth century.”
True. But people interested in understanding the context in which various Bible interpretations developed will be interested in a bit more detail about that.
The “congregationalists” of the eighteenth century were mostly descendents of the puritans who had dominated New England in the seventeenth century. In 1751, Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758) became pastor of the congregation in Stockbridge, Massachusetts. He promoted the above-mentioned post-millennialism so effectively that it continued to be the prevailing view in the United States during the entire nineteenth century. In the twenty-first century - and even among people who don’t subscribe to Edwards’ view of Christians “preparing” the planet for the return of Jesus - it is common to hear people speak in terms of “making this world a better place in which to live”. I can admire Edwards’ optimism, even if I don’t agree with this eschatology.
Anyone who reads for himself, studies for himself and thinks for himself will, sooner or later, be considered heretical so I’ll just go ahead and refer to myself that way. The following is for anyone who might be interested in the way this particular heretic interprets some of the prophecies of the Bible.
It seems to me that most of the protestant reformers have employed most or all of the following principles in their interpretation of Bible prophecies:
1: Much of Bible prophecy is conditional. (The prophecy of Jonah is the best-known example.)
2: The gospel was preached to Abraham. (Galatians 3:8)
3. Some of the restoration prophecies were fulfilled after the Babylonian captivity.
4. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:29 (See also Romans 4 and the rest of Galatians 3.)
5: The 70-weeks prophecy of Daniel 9 has already been fulfilled.
6: We should look for events in history that can be considered fulfillment of Bible prophecies AND we should acknowledge the possibility that some prophecies may be in the process of fulfillment now AND the possibility that some prophecies may be fulfilled in the future.
Because I use these principles, I consider the following passages to all be references to a single event:
John 16:2 & 3 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
I Corinthians 15:51-54 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
I Thessalonians 4:13-18 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Taken together, I understand these passages to mean that the purpose of the return of Jesus is to resurrect the people who have died in faith and take living believers with them to the mansions he has gone to prepare.
Heaven is the place from which the creator governs the universe.
This understanding allows for believers to reign with Jesus in a JUDICIAL capacity for a thousand years (I Corinthians 6:2 & 3), for believers to return to Earth in the new Jerusalem (Revelation 21:2), for Satan and those he has deceived to compass the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city, and for fire to come down from God out of heaven and devour them. (Revelation 21:9), for God to make a new (restored) Earth (Revelation 21:1) and for this planet to become the new heaven in the sense that, from then on, this planet will be the place from which he rules. Abraham will inherit the world (Romans 4:13) and they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. (Galatians 3:7).
What about Preterism as an eschatological option that many Christians hold. Albert should have at least mentioned Preterism.
In other words, he ignored the truth.
I’ve read Revelation 20 many times. There’s no mention of “on the earth”
My position is, SAVED BY THE GRACE OF GOD... RESTING and leaving the FUTURE to my REDEEMER.
We are most certainly living in the short season that follows the thousand years.
There is only one right view!
Amil, premil and post are all within orthodoxy.
That is it.
Amen
Good succinct, and accurate presentation of the views--despite the protestations of Amills and Postmills expressed in prior comments. The Amill position is a case study in bad hermeneutics. If the Kingdom Age of OT expectations is to be flippantly dismissed as metaphorical, then why all of the precise detail in extended portions of Scripture like Ezek. 40-48? What are all of these minute details supposed to be "metaphorical" OF, anyway? Amills end up wildly employing Ockham's razor way too freely--crafting an end-times scenario that is simple and streamline--but unbiblical. Postmills, on the other hand, are living in anthropological fantasy-land, vastly underestimating the levels of depravity found within the human heart--even within the regenerate heart. Scripture leaves us rightly pessimistic about the "human potential movement"--even if we "Christianize" it. When the conquering Jesus returns, it will not be to the applause of the world. His garments will be saturated with the blood of His enemies (Isa. 63, Rev. 19). In the end, HE ALONE is the Savior of the World--not us!
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I'm a postrib premillenialist ( historical premillenialist). I believe Christ will come back after the tribulation, rapture the saints ( except those who will reign with him), and will reign on earth for 1,000 years after. This was the view held by the early church until Darby corrupted it in the 1800's by heretically putting the rapture before the tribulation instead of after the tribulation.
Definitely agree that dispensationalism is a little silly. I definitely like aspects of historic premill. What would you say the rapture looks like and when does it happen?
So.....we get raptured and immediately return to earth? Makes no sense. Pre-trib rapture is very Biblical. It's a fallacy that Darby started that theology.
@@MooJoo well, I’d actually take the stance that we are currently living in the Kingdom of God. Jesus tells us that He has all authority in heaven AND on earth. Paul tell us that Jesus is currently sitting at the right hand of the Father and must reign until all His enemies are put under His feet. Paul then goes on to say that the final enemy that will be defeated is death which would suggest that the saints are caught up or “raptured”, the final judgment occurs, and then the Kingdom is delivered to the Father. This is what 1 Corinthians 15 tells us which makes sense when we look at Daniel 7 as well.
@@evanmorrison9157 I respectfully disagree. Paul and Peter both tell us that Satan is the prince of this world right now and he walks around like a roaring lion; seeking those whom he can destroy. This world is the opposite of the description Scripture gives us of the kingdom of God. In fact, scripture is very clear than in the last days there would be lawlessness, wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes, etc.
Scripture is also very clear that Jesus will sit on the throne of His father David, in Jerusalem. That will happen during the millennial Kingdom. And during those thousand years, Satan will be chained up. He will only be released for a short time at the end of the thousand years, where he will lead a very short rebellion. After that, the apostle Peter tells us everything will be burned up and God will create new heavens and a new earth. That's when there will be no more death, no tears, and that will be the kingdom of God where believers will live with God in eternity.
The first part: Do you mean some saints rapture and go to heaven, others rapture/resurrected (?) to remain in the earth? Where do get the support in the Scripture for that division? Just curious.
The Bible uses mile, which means 1000 paces, 2 more times than it does millennium. Only twice does it refer literally to a distance and it is not precise (6 miles or 7 miles). So I have no issue not making 1000years a central idea in any esctalogy. Every time a thousand is used it is a rounded number unless explicitly exact or as a significant digit (1350 men).
And exactly how do you know that “every time a thousand is used it is a rounded number”? How would one know that? Seems like an opinion rather than a fact. We have no way to know whether or not the Thousand years in Revelation 20 are rounded, exact, or even metaphorical. One’s position would simply be an opinion.
@@toddstevens9667 context. the names of military units like centurion (100) had 80 men and did not change commanders until a significant portion had been wounded (~50%) and they would be redistributed and adsorbed. A legion was 5000 fighting men but usually closer to 5500 to start when counting officers and support troops. In history the army size is always an estimate based on the number of units not a precise a head count. Sometimes they would count the wounded, sometimes not. Sometimes officers, sometimes not. The census in Numbers is rounded to 50.
So you think all numbers in the Bible are rounded estimates? So, would it make much difference to Millennial Theology if it was 995 years or 1005? It wouldn’t really change the theology about what the Bible says about that period, right?
Don't forget the partial and full preterists. Ouch, quit throwing stuff at me ;-). Sorry to beak up the party but eschatology wise we have lots of work to do yet. Love br. David - Canada.
As a preterist , I believe Christ came back in the first century as the Scriptures clearly teach he would.
A Millennium Puzzle to solve… Will Christ be conducting funeral services for mortals killed in accidents 500 years after His Second Coming?
The “first resurrection” in Rev. chapter 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation, because the two witnesses are resurrected from the dead in chapter 11. There are two different types of resurrection in John chapter 5. There is a spiritual resurrection from the dead in John 5:24, and a bodily resurrection from the dead in John 5:28-29.
Does your view of the Millennium agree with what Paul said in 2 Thess. 1:7-10, when Paul said Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel? The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:10-13, when Peter said this earth is going to burn and "dissolve" when He comes as a thief on the day of the Lord? The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Paul said in 2 Tim. 4:1, when Paul said both the living and the dead will be judged at His appearing? The time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some and destruction for others is found in Rev. 11:18, right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible. (This verse also proves the Book of Rev. is not in chronological order.) The judgment of the dead is also found at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Jesus said in Matt. 25:31-46, where He described the judgment of the sheep and goats, which leaves no mortals alive on the planet at the end of the passage? There are also no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Rev. chapter 19.
Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness?
Does your view agree with what John recorded in Rev. 9:1-2, when an angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit, which means the pit was locked before that time? Are there wicked angels already in the pit in Rev. 9:11? John recorded angels already "bound" in Rev. 9:14. The beast "ascends" out of the pit in Rev. chapter 11, which means the beast was in the pit before that time.
Take all of the above and compare it to the symbolic language found in Rev. chapter 20, and the fact the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, and you will have the truth.
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Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order )
Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation.
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet?
He comes on a horse in chapter 19, right after the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
Chapter 20?
Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1?
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.
Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time?
Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness?
Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner.
Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book.
The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
What about Inmillennialism?
What is that?
@@kieffergilbert6146 we are in the millennium now until the resurrection and judgment. Ad70 was the transition from mosaic to messianic age. Few other things. Try get the book by Michael Rogers.
Not really a balanced description. His bias is obvious from the start.
However, this question can't really be answered in five minutes without showing bias, so understandable.
short, simple and precise
The term amillennial does not accurately describe the view of amillenialism. We don’t believe that there is no millennium, we believe that there is, but in the context of proper hermeneutics. How is 1,000 used in other passages of scripture? How do Daniel chapters 7 and 8 show us the proper way to exegete apocalyptic literature?
The answer is neither of the 3. It’s Full Preterism. Look up Don Preston or William Bell for more info. The postmill is the closest but they wrongly divide the 2nd coming to make it a partial coming in 70AD with a 3rd coming at the end of history. You can’t divide the olivet discourse and you can’t add a 3rd coming because you don’t like how the 2nd one was. Embrace consistent eschatology and stop obeying creeds over the Bible.
It's not an argument. It's a historical fact that postmillinaism was the dominant view prior to WWI and it largely fell out of favor afterwards. Dispensational premillennialism took over as the dominant view (at least in the U.S.A.) largely because its advocates had rightly predicted that Israel would return to their land. Now, Dispensational premillennialism is losing its dominance in part because its proponents largely insisted that WWII was the sign of the generation that will not pass away, and that generation is nearly passed. These things help us to understand where people are coming from. They don't tell us which view is correct.
My response would be simply look at the last 2000 YEARS of world and church history and reply back, "what do you think?"
This is below Albert Mohlers standards. He absolutely MISSREPRESENTS the Amillennial perspective. Isn't Jesus King and Lord today? Is He not sitting on the heavenly throne today? Aren't all the numbers, and pretty much everything in the book of Revelations symbolic? Albert Mohler, book a lunch with your friend Voddie and get educated, alternatively read something of Kim Riddlebarger. :)
I disagree. He spoke the truth clearly regarding the a-millennial and post-millennial views.
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Wrong, AD 70!
Oh my God why do people think that these thousand years is actually a thousand days a little Road Thousand Days the Bible does not say that
Im pan millennialist....it will all pan out in the end!
The guy asking the question can name the three eschatologies but still adds an S to Revelation? The math doesn’t math on that one.
Dr. Mohler is truly a great scholar to consult on any Biblical doctrine. In this case I think there were some mis-characterizations of the positions he disagrees with. When it comes to eschatology it is best to hear from someone that believes that position and can describe it from the Biblical text. There is a reason Christianity for most of 2,000 years was post-mil. He didn't mention that. So, omitting church history is a foul here. And, it is true that dispensationalism was the driver behind a rise in pre-mil thinking, yet another foul to have not mentioned that. These combined with every Tom, Dick, and Harry false teacher out there proclaiming some prophecy they saw in the Bible drove more to that position, mostly in false Charismatic movements. Pre-mil was refined in Dispensational seminaries to the point you have preachers seeing Apache helicopters, Russia, and China prophesied in the Bible, which should have been mentioned. If I told you I waited for a thousand years at the Chick-fil-a would you think that was literal? When you read apocalyptic literature, images are used to represent something bigger. So, a monster is not a helicopter. Revelation is all about what Christ did for us to be saved and a final consummation that is coming, and that is it. All this business about Revelation being about current events feeds false prophecy teachers and makes movies about you being in a room and everyone disappears that was elect, and everyone else has to avoid the planes dropping out of the sky. Oh please, Jesus told us not to be looking here and there for His return, but that sanctified in Him, we will recognize it.. But wait, there's more: www.youtube.com/@navigatorsway/about
Did he *really* say that the Amil folks believe the time will come when "life on earth is over"? That's just plain wrong. "But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a *new earth* in which righteousness dwells."
He just straw manned Amillenialiam and Postmellenialism. I expect more from brother Mohler.
It's just not good to use one ancillary term to color your entire understanding of the Bible. Al starting statement is the basic problem.
What is this “ancillary term” to which you refer?
A day with the Lord is a 1000 years. 1st thessalonians 4:13-18, 5:1-5.
Matthew 24,25, Daniel 13:1-3.
It's all going down and 1 day. And all the believers will go through tribulation because it was written before them to understand that.
With all due respect, Dr. Mohler, I believe you are incorrect about your interpretation of the final state of humanity. Our final state is one of resurrection. Both of the Earth end of our bodies.
In revelation, it says the dwelling of God is with man. Not the dwelling of man is with God. Heaven comes down to a resurrected eand he shall reign forever and ever.
Let's not think of heaven as some far away spiritual place. Although it is now. In my reading, it seems that the biblical hope of Christianity is not spoken of in terms of heaven but in terms of resurrection.
And therefore I am more easily persuaded by the amalennial viewpoi'll let you know if you point. In other words God comes down to us to stay not osco up to him
I don't think the subjective 'better' or 'worse' should be a consideration. Declinism is the belief that the world and our society is inevitably getting worse. It is caused by our tendency to view the past with rosy retrospection, a positive outlook, and to view our present with a negative bias. We need to make sure our theology is rooted in the Bible, not how we feel about the current state of political affairs.
As much as I respect and appreciate Mohler, he goes wrong right off the bat here. You don’t arrive at an accurate exegesis of Revelation 20:1-10 by imposing theological categories from without, but by starting with the book of Revelation itself, rightly understanding (from within the book itself) its genre, its relentless Old Testament allusions and considering HOW those are applied to the 7 churches to whom the book was written, and tracing the themes of the book that are highlighted by it’s chiastic literary structure.
Just a glance at chapter 12 tells you the book is NOT in chronological order, nor is that true of apocalyptic literature in general (take Daniel and Zechariah as examples of that).
The 1,000 years is clearly an allusion to Psalm 90, which Peter uses to refer to this entire inter-advent age, which has clearly been longer than 1,000 literal years. And were told right out of the gate in Rev. 1:1 that this is a symbolic form of communication-see the allusions to Dan. 2:23 & 45.
The driving question isn’t “When does Christ come?” But rather “What are your hermeneutical presuppositions with which you interpret the text?” If you read the Revelation through the lens of current events you’ll NEVER understand it.
I think that you misrepresent the Amil position . No thousand year reign. The Amil position speaks of a 1000 year reign from Christ’s accension until Satan is released. Scripture clearly speaks about Christ reigning at the Father’s right hand.
So much confusion over the eschaton! Contrary to popular belief, eschatology is not about the end of the world, but the end of the Judaic sacrificial system. Preterism, or fulfilled eschatology, is the most biblical. That system ended forever in 70 AD! Jesus said in the 1st century in Matthew 24:34, “This generation will not pass away until all be fulfilled.”
How is it possible that Al Mohler cannot correctly define amillennialism? Like not even close. Amillenialists do not believe in "no millennium" they believe the millennium is now. How was this man partnering with Ligonier without ever hearing the actual position of most reformed pastors? How do you get so far up the ladder and not only misunderstand what amillennialism is, but confidently spout your misunderstanding on stage?
No actual, PHYSICAL, 1,000 yr reign of Christ on earth. Ya'll just don't take a literal approach to scripture.
Thanks Al! It’s about the prophecies that must be fulfilled yet. Israel…..
Wow. He failed at accurately summarizing all three views LOL.
That wasn't the Amil view at all. "when he comes, his heavenly reign begins, and life on earth is over." No, That is literally the exact opposite of the Amil view which is that the "he shall reign 1,000 years' verse is a metaphor for his heavenly reign occurring NOW. Christ reigns perfectly from David's throne CURRENTLY. When he comes, he comes suddenly, judges all people, and establishes the new, glorified earth, and our new glorified bodies. The end.
That is not the Post mil view. "His saints will make the world ready for him to come back" "hey, things are good enough for me to come back now". Not one postmil person would say that PEOPLE are making the world "good enough" or "ready". They would say that CHRIST who is CURRENTLY reigning from David's throne is in the process of sanctifying his bride (church) and subduing his enemies. 1 Corinthians 15:24-26 "Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death." THE LAST enemy to be destroyed is Death. After all earthly enemies are subdued, finally death itself is defeated when his saints are given glorified bodies and the earth is purified and we all reign on the new glorified earth. Also, WW1 being the worst thing in history is kinda funny considering they had already gone through a plague that killed literally half of anyone they had ever known or loved...if you mistake anything for the end of the world it is that. And even as corrupt as things are currently, when would you rather be alive? When romans fed us to wild dogs and lions? During the black plague? During 1700s when several of your children died during birth or within a year from the common cold? Or now, when it's literally the easiest it has ever been?...
That is not even a good description of Premillenialism but maybe he has his own unique flavor. "Christ will show us what Eden would have been like but actually an even GREATER perfection than eden"......DUDE....Premil holds that Christ returns suddenly, maybe or maybe not raptures Christians depending on your premil view, and rules with a rod of Iron and that we will resume sacrificing goats and bulls in the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. That is not a "pre fall" picture of the garden of eden. There will still be wicked people (christ rules them with an iron rod) until they all band together to overthrow him and he destroys them at the battle of Armageddon. This guy says Christ is then going to reign in heaven and will all go there and float around in another realm. EVERY eschetological view believes that heaven is occupied on a temporary basis until the earth is glorified and we all live on the new earth. That's not even a seriously debated topic among biblical scholars. Literally got his own camp's view wrong lol.
So why are all my scholarly responses being deleted? My guess is you can't argue with the biblical facts. If you don't know something just say so. There's no condemnation. Geez...but don't censor my responses because there's a lack of understanding.
Every dayism is my escatology . Coran Deo is sufficient for me.
“Christians have to get the world ready for Jesus to be able to come back” that might be the most impressive misrepresentation of Post Millennialism I’ve ever heard. Pitiful.
That lat minute was a really bad argument
Why do so many question this? The bible is VERY clear on when the millennium will be. It says it's AFTER Jesus comes, PERIOD.
Does it really matter? Jesus told us to be ready.
He represented Amillennialism incorrectly, if not disingenuously. People just need to read the Bible and any 5th grade reading of the bible will clearly comprehend premillennialism simply does not sync with the infallible bible.
With respect, Christians are not separated from the Spirit of Christ. That means it's not the individual human beings, separated from the will of God or power of God, who are the ones who will get the credit for saving the world. The Father, thru the Son by the Spirit within the Bride of Christ, is the One who is making the world better and better over time. Perfect example is me being able to disagree with you many miles away from you via a smart phone, in the back of a pickup truck with air conditioning, after I just ate a delicious meal that was prepared on a stove, out of a Styrofoam to go container. All of that sentence just refuted that quality of life isn't getting better. But also, the Gospel is spreading more globally than ever. People in foreign lands are coming to Jesus in droves. At the time of the reformation, there was almost no public access to Scripture. Most Christians in America have multiple Bibles. In their own language. Or on their PHONE. Come on man. This argument doesn't look to the text, but it looks to circumstances. That's not what faith does. If the Lord transported Paul, Peter, and John to modern America for a year, they would be SHOCKED at what the Lord has done from their labor, and also be table flipping mad because preachers and pastors think it's okay to say that Jesus isn't Lord outside of the walls of a building called a church.
Jesus is Lord over all. We as Americans are disobedient to Him, because among other things, the men in your position have taught us that the Kingdom of God isn't actually upon us, that we can let the world do whatever they want and our job is to just be nice as they skip to hell, or that we just preach the Gospel, without expecting the nations to be discipled or to submit to what Jesus says. I love you as a brother in Christ, but Jesus was sent in the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world would be saved thru Him. News paper hermeneutics is shameful.
Mine is Pan View, it'll all pan out in the end
Jesus set up His millennial kingdom in our hearts when He rose from the dead. When He returns again, He comes in flaming glory and in judgment bringing in the eternal kingdom with a new heaven and new earth for the old will pass away.
I think the premills have Christ coming back to reign in his glorified body in the midst of a world filled with fallen sinners and glorified saints.......!!!! Does scripture anywhere say that it's possible??!! Where???!!!
When Jesus rose from the dead, His body was different than His pre-resurrection body. In fact, His disciples didn't even recognize Him at first, and yet He was able to interact with those who DIDN'T have a similar body. Why would the type of body He may have be problematic for you or anyone else?
The correct answer is: The Prewrath Rapture position. There is NO 7 year trib in the Bible
Sorry, but that is z weak explanation of the premillenial position. That God wants somehow to have another take on what heaven on earth would be like. That is no more than people that love this present world so much, that they still desire it, like Lot's wife. We are called by God to hate this world, and not to love it. God, in the book of Genesis, cursed the earth. HE CURSED IT! And why would God come back here to reign in a sin cursed, sin drenched world? God is spirit. His words are spirit. Christ spoke in parables. It's for the believer to search out the Bible for the parabolic meanings. When God uses numbers like 10, or 100, or 1000, it has to do with completeness of what is in view in the context. In the case of the reigning "1000"years, that is referring to ETERNITY. Not a literal 1000 years. In heaven, Christ reigns with his people for the "1000" years, or to say it so we can understand, FOREVER! Stop taking the Bible literally. You WILL never come to truth. The truths are hidden in the Word, an Christ explains why in Matt 13. Pray the Holy Spirit to learn the parables!!!
Those are really terrible representations of opposing views
Please stop, there is no s....
Amen Brother.
The Kingdom develops
V E R Y
G R A D U A L L Y, all the many "Kingdom Parables" emphasize that factor.
So much so, that when we lack Historical context + overview, we MISS the long term growth trends showing the Nations ARE coming to Christ !
And per Isaiah 9:7, it's "the Zeal of the LORD of Hosts, shall perform this"
Perform what ?!?
The unstoppable growth of the Church, Kingdom & reign of Christ our LORD - before His bodily return & upon David's THRONE - where He is this very moment.
Dr Mohler assumes (but can't find) that JESUS will reign in a 3rd rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem, that's the 'unfounded Dispensational assumption".
Not a single verse / passage says Christs reign is on an earthly throne.
They say "in Heaven, at God's Right hand", repeatedly.
Several Key ones in the OT say so very descriptively & say HOW this Heavenly reign of Jesus CAUSES Kingdom & advance of the Church, as a result!
Psalm 2, 110 then quoted again 12x in the New Testament !
How Dispy Premillennialist guys can miss or mis-interpret these passages I've no idea.
The 2-3 other KEY passages that shed light on this issue are:
Isaiah 9:7
Acts 2:31
1 Cor 15
Look those up read context THEN read Psalms 2 & 110 + the 12x Psalm 110:1 is re-quoted in the Acts 7x in every message the Apostles preached.
Those TRUTHS transformed me from a pearl clutching, fearful newspaper exegete to a BOLD POSTMILLENNIALIST about 25 years ago.
I did like Dr Mohlers insight about why Christ must have a Postmillennial Reign on a physical 🌎 Earth: to show ALL humanity how awesome Life would have been IF Adam & Eve had NOT fallen.
This IS a challenging topic with much nuance & MUCH study of MANY passages.
So many misrepresentations of positions that he does not hold.
Great falling away made by Christianity regarding Preaching The Truth
When Jesus Christ Get victory over Death on The Cross from past present future millennial Reign bound
Bad explanation of the Amillenialist position
I am a promillennialist 😜
Messiah will reign for a thousand years very soon. BTW, His Torah (Law) will be enforced worldwide.
PRETERISTS take away from the words of the book of prophecy.
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
That is a mischaracterization of AMIL. We don't believe "life is over" we believe the millennial kingdom is NOW. Christ reigns NOW. Next event is Christ's final coming.
But according to premill, there will be sin and salvation and death during the 1000 year reign. So, what kind of Paradise experience will that be? 😂😂
JESUS was in fact a king... this cannot be denied. If he jews had not murdered him he would still be alive today. His kingdom is seen in his people who worship him as a king regardless of the fact that he "went on a long journey" and will soon come again to reward his faithful servants, making them rulers over many cities. These he calls overcomers and they will be seated with him in his throne,,,, as kings in their own right. they will rule the earth wielding a rod of iron and will destroy the wicked. The wicked will never see God. The speaker here is a stuffed shirt apostate.
The Christians' plan of salvation doesn't work any way *_according to their own beliefs._* What if you go to heaven, and then you rebel against god? Or if something else happens to alienate you from god?
Christians formulated their afterlife fantasy early on through an act of motivated reasoning, but they didn't think it through very well.
No one goes to heaven. That is not biblical.
Wow, this is a terrible answer for anyone, let alone a seminary president.
I want postmill to be true, but premill seems the most scriptural
Hey brother! Definitely agree that postmill/optimistic viewpoint is nice. And I’d say, it is even most scriptural!
I’d say as far as scriptural explanations for a postmill outlook, I’d start with one’s view on the kingdom of God or the “millennial kingdom”. What does that look like and when does scripture say it arrives? The very first thing Jesus said when He began His ministry in Matthew 4 is “repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Mark’s account says “kingdom of God”). Another interesting thing to look at is the contrast between Jesus being tempted by satan in the beginning of Matthew 4 and then Jesus’ ascension in chapter 28. Satan’s last temptation is offering Jesus the kingdoms of the earth. So we see there that satan had the authority to offer Jesus the kingdoms of the world. Now we look at Matthew 28 and see Jesus tell His disciples that He has been given all authority over the things in heaven AND on earth. This would draw us to believe that something changed between satan offering the kingdoms of the earth to Jesus, and now after the resurrection, Jesus proclaiming that He currently has the authority over all things in heaven and on earth. If you look at Matthew 12:28 where Jesus states ”But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.“ Did Jesus cast out demons by the spirit of God? Of course! So this means that the kingdom of God was upon them, then at that time. Jesus then goes into the binding of Satan which is another interesting point.
We see throughout the New Testament that Jesus is now at the right hand of the Father. What does this mean? It seems that He is currently fulfilling the verse that the New Testament authors quote or allude to the most, Psalm 110, which states that Jesus will sit at God the Father’s right hand until all of His enemy’s are made a foot stool for His feet. Paul puts it as ”For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.“ in 1 Corinthians 15:25
I know I’ve already been long winded enough haha so I’ll leave you with contrasting Matthew 13:24-33 with Isaiah 42. Matthew talks about the kingdom of God being a slow, gradual process (mustard seed and leaven parable) with ebbs and flows (wheat and tares parable). This is the same fashion we see the Chosen Servant, Jesus, in Isaiah 42 bring justice to the nations (bruised reed and faint candle).
This is the tip of the iceberg in terms of biblical precedent for a postmill outlook but is a great start! This is all stuff I’ve been looking pretty heavily into over the past year which is why I’m quite passionate about the topic haha. Eschatology is a really great subject and definitely matters but it’s also important to realize (speaking to myself here haha) that it is by no means is worth dividing the Church over! If you’d like to talk further on the eschatology and postmillennialism , I’d love to continue the dialogue, brother! Have a wonderful day!
I'm a Premill because of the promises of God to Israel is repeated a thousand times over. Paul seems to have agreed (Rom chs. 9-11). I appreciate the value of Postmills in their pursuit to see the kingdom of God in our sphere of influence. Amill is way off both these emphases.
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@@sajipunnuserilthomas3095 totally get that! I would just argue, as I’m sure you know, that the Church (Christians) have fulfilled Israel as God’s people. Not I don’t necessarily like the term “replace” as I don’t think that quite conveys the stance. I would use passages like Ephesians 2 which tells us that there is now only one camp and Galatians 3 which ends with verse 29 saying ”And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to promise.“. So to those which are belonging to Christ, are the seed of Abraham and heirs to the promises made by God to him. Being a former dispensational pre mill guy, the Galatians verse was really hard for me to get around.
Roman’s 11 is something that I wholeheartedly agree with your stance on! Paul makes it really clear that ethnic Israel will be restored. This is akin to the prodigals son coming back to his father who is waiting with open arms! And we are simply grafted into that family and should not be puffed up with pride by any means. Israel is God’s first born and what a wonderful day it will be when the ethnically Jewish people come to serve Christ, the risen Lord, as a nation!
Lastly, which as you pointed out is something we can wholeheartedly agree on through our differing view points, is that we both believe that the Kingdom of God is a very real, physical thing that we see/will see on earth and amen to that!
@@sajipunnuserilthomas3095 I totally get that! I’d argue, as I’m sure you know, that the Church (Christians) are the fulfillment of God’s people take part in the promises given to Abraham. You can see this in Ephesians 2 where it talks about making both groups into one. Galatians 3 really hammers this home. Especially the last verse stating ”And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to promise.” So this says that those who are in Christ are descendants of Abraham and partakes of the promises of God.
Definitely agree with you on Roman’s 11. Paul makes it really clear that we, who are grafted in to the promises, should not get puffed up. Israel is God’s first born and it will be a wonderful day once they are restored through a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ our Lord. Very much like the prodigals son. And we should not be as the other son who becomes prideful and resents his father.
Lastly, something that we very much have in common is that God’s kingdom is a very literal thing and amen to that! I was dispensational premil for a long time until a few years ago which is why I’m pretty passionate about the subject lol.
Ignorant representations of all three positions
Weak, non-answer.
Al the mole Mohler has some life. We should all have it this good. Christianity is a fun thing for this Seminary King. Give me a blue collar preacher called and prepared by God any day.
Interesting that Reformed or Puritan post millenialism does not belive that the Christian has to make the world ready in order for Jesus to return. Al has confused Hasidic Judaism with post millenialism. And his little statement about Christian working for justice was a subtle reference for his participation in the woke politics.