Lookout Gas! The Hyundai Ioniq 5 Charges UNBELIEVABLY Fast!
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I have the sister car, the EV6. I have gotten 10-80% in 18 minutes on a regular basis. I have driven up and down the east coast 5 times each way and have done over 16,000 miles in about 6 months. Got the car specifically for the 800v architecture and the charge speeds. Don’t regret it one bit.
Don't just look at the percent gained over time, look at how many miles you can drive over a given time when charging. If you take into account the efficiency of the vehicle, you will understand the Hyundai/Kia 800V architecture currently doesn't have an advantage over the Tesla 400V architecture. As Hyundai/Kia make their future EVs more efficient, then we will see more range added in less time. When you just compare how fast you charge a battery from 10%-80% in a short time, if the battery is small that time can be very fast, look at range added, not percentage.
you will when it catches on fire or have to replace 15,000 dollar battery lol
@@S2kDude36 granted on the Tesla point. The battery is not small compared to vehicles in its segment. But yes, it does regain about 200 miles in that 18 minutes. But even when compared to something like the Lucid that has a huge battery, charge/miles is not much different in a long trip. But if you compare this to something like the Bolt, the Kona or similar CUV’s, long trips take way less time due to the charge speed. A Model Y and this would most likely be similar. Tesla has a great advantage in efficiency and technology. Their software is top notch, where legacy auto has a ways to go to catch up.
@@billybobbob3003 if it catches fire, which is less likely in an EV, just make more headlines it has insurance. If the battery goes, it will probably be way higher than $15k, but has a warranty for 8yrs/100k miles. It even there, the batteries in most EV’e have shown to last way longer without issue. Are there exceptions, sure, but less likely than you may think. For everyone that has to harp on the batteries, thing about Hybrids like the Prius. That vehicle has been around a long time and I certainly did not see every Prius burn to the ground or require a new battery every few years. There are still plenty of early gen Prii/Priuses on the road today. And if the vehicle ultimately has an issue, I would trade it in or sell it and get a new/used one. Ultimately I would rather have an F-150 Lightning or other EV pickup. With that being said, after living with an EV, doubt I will ever go back to gas or diesel unless I have to. Prior to the EV6, I was driving an F350 Platinum diesel. Vehicles are apples and oranges, but I have made the change work. And in the 6 months of ownership, I have saved over $6k in fuel for the amount of driving I do. Could I have saved with a smaller gas vehicle, sure, but not as much and I would have higher maintenance costs. Ultimately I will have the EV6 which is an early generation EV for just so long before getting a newer/better generation. Can’t wait to see what is available in 4-5 years which is most likely when I will be in the market to upgrade. In that time, if it needs a new battery, it will most likely still be in warranty, and if it burns, I have insurance.
@@billybobbob3003 Just saw a crash yesterday, 4 car accident where cars hit each other in the rear, one car was an EV, but it was one of the gas cars that caught fire, I'd try to tell you that an EV is far safer but people that post these responses will never understand facts.
I have a 2021Kona EV with my own charging station at home. I drive here in Long Island,NY. 115 miles every day to go to work and return home. So far excellent car no regrets.
here i am waiting for an ev to charge and i dont even own one
This type of fast charging is what is needed to make EVs versatile so the road trip use case is handled well. For the most part you wont need this type of capability if you charge at home and get around town. Still, this is the type of EV I would buy if prices drop a bit.
The time I waste charging my F150 Lightning is a lot LESS than the time it took me at the pump with my previous Ram 1500... it takes a few seconds to plug in at home and get 200 miles overnight vs spending 5-10 minutes at the pump once to twice per week.
Is yours a large pack? If so it’ll take right at 19kW for all but the top 5% of the battery so thats ~ 30miles an hour. We have a small fleet but they are std range and max out about 34amps
I have been telling people this for years. It takes less time to charge than to use gas. At least in your everyday driving. I now get annoyed when I have to fill my ICE car
I mean, a Lighting is $15,000-$30,000 more expensive than a regular F150. For that money, I can pay a mobile service to fuel my truck for the entire life of the truck, which wastes ZERO time, and I'd still have thousands left over to afford the gas itself.
@@AkioWasRight I have ten lightning pros that we paid $47k for. Thats nowhere near 15-30k more per truck
@@mattbrew11 Well, that's you.
2023 Lightings are nearly $54,000 for the standard range, or over $80,000 for the extended range. If I'm looking to buy the cheapest fleet possible, Lightnings are more or less $15,000-$30,000 more expensive per truck, at least in the real-world.
Wow. These charge times are really coming down fast. Thanks guys
It will be interesting how this video ages over the next 5 years as batteries improve and fast charging speeds hopefully increase.
the 2023 Qilin battery pack from CATL will supposedly have 40% higher energy density, and accept up to 4C (280kW in a 70kWh battery) charging
Bro, this reminds me of when I charge my phone! It goes from 10-65 in just 15mins. Crazy to think how we can charge cars just as if we were charge our phones! 😅❤️🔥❤
@Defective Degenerate Thats right... basically all batteries work best from 15 to 85 percent capacity ... in fact, overcharging is the number one cause of fires in small rechargeable devices
@@toyyoda3710 That is an excellent point, not to mention prolonging battery life by restricting charge level to 85% (like Samsung phones can) and also charging the battery slowly. Fast charging the car battery all the time is the height of stupidity.
EVgo added plug and charge support for my 2017 Focus Electric a few weeks ago. I thought it was pretty cool that they did that for such and old vehicle. EA on the other hand, has the biggest network on pricing, but no plug and charge support on my vehicle.
I’ve seen multiple videos of you guys not getting charge for the charge which is awesome
I don't want an app. I don't want to be a member. I don't want to need my phone. I just want to pull up, plug in, swipe my Amex, and charge. That's how gas stations work, and that's how this needs to be done.
You can do that at every evgo and electrify America charger I’ve been too, also you don’t need a card or app if you plug in at home
Swipe a card? Lmao
I haven’t used a card to pay for anything in 3 years. Phone payment is way more secure.
@@mattbrew11 Not the point, but you do you.
@@JonathanLong Agreed. I would charge at home as much as possible.
Hundred percent agree having to have multiple apps and accounts just to charge and all these various charging networks. It’s just going to be annoying. If you want make it cheaper if you have an account but make it so I can just use a card at the station.
Now try it when it’s -35 out like where I live. Part of the reason I traded my Tesla in for a hybrid.
you just precondition the battery. My Ioniq 5 preheats the battery, and it's lightning quick even when cold outside.
We truly need to get to the point where there's induction charging, and literally the moment you park, you're charging. No more worrying about someone messing with the cord. Everywhere you park, you're charging. That would be the future.
A nuclear fusion reactor inside your car would give you unlimited range for 30+ years now that would be the future
I do small road trips from time to time. And 15 minutes is about what I wind up spending at each stop to use the bathroom, grab a snack and get a stretch in. For the car to charge up that fast… that’s awesome! I think having more efficient fast chargers will be critical to these new EV cars.
If we can get that, EV will go far!
The longer range offers 303 miles per charge. If you're charging with 60% of the pack, that's 181.8 miles, or a little over 2 hours of driving at typical highway speeds.
If you need bathroom breaks and are looking to eat every 2 hours or so, you have health and lifestyle issues.
@@AkioWasRight You also have health problems if you're sitting for long periods of time. You should be getting up every 30-60 minutes.
@@67GreenBay Not at all. Extended periods of sitting for periodic road trips won't create long-term health issues. But needing to use the bathroom every 2 hours absolutely is a health issue.
@@AkioWasRight WRONG! 100+ flights per year plus extensive driving, gave me blood clots in my legs, they went to my lungs and heart, caused Afib, and for the last 7 years I've been unable to do anything. I'd drive/fly for hours and never take a break and that is very bad for you.
@@mikewurlitzer5217 No, it's not. Blood clots themselves are not necessarily a long-term heath issue, nor is it necessary to stop every 2 hours. For a healthy person, bloods clot are avoidable and totally manageable. People drive, fly, or sit at desks regularly, for hours, everyday, without issues.
Again, if you need a break every 2 hours, you have other health issues. In most cases, sitting for long periods is not the only factor in blood clots.
People are now tying to tie far away healthy issues to driving gas car now. I mean, seriously...
It's pretty nice pulling up to one of these, taking 15 minutes to charge and going for a cup of coffee. But is anyone going to be happy when all of the chargers are in use, with some broken ones, and you're two or three cars away from having the ability to charge your car? How much time is that going to take? I'd say that these are great options for people who have a charger installed in their garage. As for the masses, I guess we'll have to just wait and see.
Great to see Hyundai and EVgo upping their game!
Great video
Thanks for the video. I’m patiently waiting for the Ioniq 6 streamliner sedan version.
FYI, that delicious beverage is often called an Arnold Palmer.
Awesome review. I’ve read on the forums about people having issues charging at a level two at home. I was really considering this vehicle until I read those issues. Can any one chime in if this has been resolved. So far Hyundai only had band aid updates/ fixes so far.
good demo. it actually maxes at around 240kw
Min 2:34 shows why EV charging infra needs to catch up. I’ve seen it locally where we have 4 different stations within a few miles but everyone is at ONE of them cause the others are not functioning. Oof.
That is great!
Very nice!
the title says it charges as fast as gas, but none of the chargers are working lmao
Great example of how you only needed 6-8 minutes to get more than enough range to finish your day and then charge up at home. The issue is clearly illustrated at the 2:00 mark when half the chargers stop working just as you go to start your session!
Everything looks great on the surface, then we find out that every other unit is dead. 😂
I'm really looking forward to my first EV, but in light of how fast everything is changing (charging and vehicles) it might behoove a person to wait awhile for the dust to settle. Thank you. You're providing a real public service by educating us.
I leased a Bolt to get a taste of it and figured if something got crazy advanced in that 3 year lease then I can get out of it and into something new.
That turned into ordering a Lightning; so I guess we'll see if I end up regretting that idea. lol
The dust may not settle for some time.
200kw is a crazy amount of power! Like 4 houses could barely pitch in to provide that rate of charge.
Ummm….most EV owners charge at home (it’s much, much cheaper to charge at home), so charging speed is only relevant when going on a road trip, but then, most owners have at least one gas car as well as an EV,,,,since the availability of fast chargers is still limited in most of the US. Not to mention most charging stations are broken or have other issues.
What happens if you leave the car unattended while charging and you reach your charging limits? Do you have the charge times at a 50KwH station? Finally, as a charging strategy, would it make sense it dc fast charge to 80% and charge to 100% on a overnight level 2 home charging session? Thanks in advance.
I'll be impressed when they come with a lightning rod for ultra fast charging.
Movie "Back to the Future" .
thanks, its a great update on charging tech. now, please do a video on how to actually get one of these cars. that seems to be the problem with all these cool evs.......
What people fail to realise is that these 'fast' charging only happens between 10 and 80% charge. people say 'thats all they do' because its 'better for battery health'. and maybe theyre right BUT if they have a 300 mile range on your 'full' battery, you are also LOSING 30% of your range, which in real terms means that your 300 mile range battery is only actually giving you 70% of range, or 210 miles, instead of the 300 miles. and yes 18 mins is fine IF you have something you need to do while you wait. useless if on a business journey etc and you literally need to stop to pee, where you would normally only stop for 5 mins tops.
I saw another car on your channel, the Rivian being unable to charge in the charging drag race with the Hummer EV, so charger reliability is still an issue compared to gas. the location of the chargers at the back isn't good for those who are handicapped.
That half lemonade tea thing is called an Arnold Palmer.
Ordered one in early March but have heard nothing further. Nothing. Bought a Model 3 but if they ever decide to fill the order, I will consider changing.
Oh, and then there’s the inconvenient truth that you will get nowhere near this charging rate when the temp drop.
The charge times are pretty good. I guess one question would be, is how long will the Ioniq’s batteries last until they’ve deteriorated to the point where it becomes annoying and should be (as opposed to need be) replaced?
At least a decade or longer... Car batteries are not even close to what we have in our phones and laptops ... In fact they are quite different even in the make up of the battery ... for example the car battery is only about 4 percent Lithium and over 50 percent graphite
@@toyyoda3710 That's what manufacturers typically offer 8 to 10 years and 100,000 miles but there are bolt EV's (and maybe others) which are over 200,000 miles and I would bet they use mostly home or level 1 charging with the occasional fast charge to maximize longevity. I don't know the cost of the Ioniq5 EV battery but for the size it won't be less than $10k at least
In the UK and Europe the Ionic 5 and EV6 supports 350 kW charging at compatible chargers.
That is fast !
Honestly, and unfortunately, until EVs become affordable (similar to Bolt EV, but up to date capability-charging), gas cars / SUVs / Crossovers have got little to threaten them. Just looked at least expensive Ioniq5, lowest price possible after destination is $500 over the cap for my state Point Of Sale rebate. And no one stocks any at the low prices; all in my area are >=$48K. Now that Kia discontinued the Light version, the lowest price Kia’s will all be near or over $50K as well.
High prices, slow adoption. O well.
Hmmm, I’ve gotten 250kw speeds in my Tesla model Y from the 250kw super chargers in Colorado.
I've found CCS charging to be hit or miss. Your session was almost a miss in that there was only one charger working. If someone else had been using it, you would of had to wait.
Why aren't these stations covered?
It's a shame I rarely see the Ioniq 5 on the road. Plenty of Tesla's, Mach-Es, even the EV6. But extremely rare to see the Ioniq 5.
Other than road trips, what's the point of public chargers in urban areas? I'll stick with AC charging in my garage, takes about 30 seconds to plug in at night, 30 seconds to unplug and coil up the cable in the morning. Much cheaper electric costs, too. And what's up with the amount of out of service public chargers? You see a gas pump out of service every now in then, but its very rare.
New technology always has its growing pains. Once more and more people own EVs this will change. It takes time though. This is the future tho. Even big oil companies are switching their investments to EV's and solar. They know it is coming.
Many people, if not most, who live in urban areas have no access to private chargers. Think of people who street park. Where will they charge besides publicly accessible chargers? There are millions of people who will depend on it. A public charging network isn't just important, it's far more important than people think.
@Defective Degenerate It's not a lie, you just don't think hard enough to realize not everyone has the same living situation as you.
Just because someone might have access to home electricity doesn't mean their cars will. Many people live in apartments, or they have street parking. Even in cases of personal homes, not everyone has a garage or driveway to park in. This applies to millions of people across the country.
Stop being so small-minded.
Also, I don't think you know how TH-cam works, which is why your comment got deleted, lol.
They should up the charger to 500 Megawatts that should charge 0-100% in 5 mins or less
what is the effect of high speed charging on battery life? Have y'all done any shows on this?
The owners manual says not to do it frequently, Tesla's, using mostly DC fast charging versus slow AC charging shows little difference in battery degradation.
JUNK< FIRE HAAZARD
Got absolutely no idea why and its becoming extremely tedious, but my family has an ioniq 5 awd, and no matter the conditions, whether it be 20c with mild ambient temperatures (ideal for charging speeds) or hot or cold outside the ioniq even on 350kw Dc fast chargers never ever goes above about 100kw charging speed no matter the battery packs state of charge. Meaning charging time is about an hour from roughly 20%-90%. If you are considering buying an ioniq 5 dont, horrible charging speeds and range is no where near claimed, averaging 22-28kwh/100km on the highway at normal speeds.
I've seen a bunch of your charging setups but it seems like most are free. I really want an ev next year but I'm curious as to how much home costs are plugging it in.
Your home rate is your home charge cost. It's not that hard.
Multiply your car battery capacity into the rate per unit and you will have your answer
The best way to check would be to look at the rates on your utility since they vary; however, the U.S. average is around 17 cents per kwh at the moment. Also, many places charge less for off peak so if you set your car to charge overnight when grid utilization is low, you might save a few cents per kwh. To determine the charge cost, multiply the pack size by the cost per kwh so an 80kwh useable battery would cost about $13.60 to charge (maybe a little more with energy loss). However, that would be a full tank fill. If you're driving 50 miles a day, you would be using less than 20kwh (depending on the car efficiency) since you're not emptying the tank so that would cost around $3 a day.
When the majority of people are reliant on Electric Vehicles, the cost of electricity will skyrocket. People that think it will stay this price are hilarious.
@@pryme2013 nobody thinks it would be the same. Price rise and inflation are inevitable.
Nice strawman argument though
@@pryme2013 It could go down if all electricity is generated with solar and wind. Plus new car batteries will have vehicle to grid capacity. You could make money off your car while it sits in your driveway possibly lowering the cost. You could always buy solar panels for your home as well if they decide to raise the prices of electricity. The point is it gives you options. Even oil companies are switching their investments to EV's and solar. They know it is coming.
Why don’t more cars charge in 18 minutes?? Why would anyone get the Mach-E or BZ4X/Solterra for example if Hyundai can get 18 minute charge times?
350 kw chargers are extremely rare from my experience. I have yet to see one anywhere away from an Interstate highway or at anything but EA, EVGo, ChargePoint, etc. Here in Oklahoma the vast majority of chargers are by Francis Electric and I have never ran into anything more than 70 kw from them. I have been fortunate to experience 250 kw at an EA station once but there are only 4 EA stations in the entire state, and none between here and Denver. Nowhere in the western half of Kansas south of I-70 till you get down to I-40 and none between I-25 and I-35. Your part of the country outside of Denver is a wasteland of charging.
We’ve installed 7 stations that are 350kW since end of September. Probably be exclusively 350kW by Q2 23. For the record over that same period weve installed 11 stations ranging from 50kW to 150kW.
My core business is solar. There are quite a few DC charger only businesses popping up doing more volume but a couple of them really screwed EA over
@@mattbrew11 That’s great, I wish the rest of the industry would get on the band wagon. I stopped at a Francis station on I-40 west of Oklahoma City yesterday. 3 of the 4 800 volt-capable units were down. The remaining one would only output 50 kw. The 2 flo units could not charge my Ioniq 5 at all since they don’t work with 800 volt cars like the Ioniq 5 and EV6, etc.
This is what users are faced with across the country, not to mention there aren’t any charging locations on US or State highways, only along Interstates.
@@glenngore6609 you can send specific location requests to EA through their site and also talk to walmart store managers
@@mattbrew11 Good to know, but their policy is pretty evident since all 4 of their EA Oklahoma locations are along I-35 and I-40. Other types of highways are being left to other providers but no one is doing anything yet. There are plenty of Walmarts between I-25 and I-35 and I-40 and I-70 but there is not a single DCFC location anywhere in that part of the world by EA or anyone. Just one DCFC in Guymon, OK by Francis, but it has been down for months. There are no Tesla Superchargers in this part of the country either.
Come to Murphy TX. We have 4 EVGO chargers. 2x150 and 2x350
I think if i showed up to a gas station and they said it was free I wouldn’t be horribly upset.
I once waited 40 mins in line to save 50 cents off per gallon for a promotion.
I do like this model a lot but on the expensive side.
If it’s winter and its cold and snowing can you sit in your car with the heater on while it charges?
Yes it does slow down the charge a bit though as your using energy. Electric cars have almost instant heat as well in the winter as you do not need to wait until the engine heats up. I love my EV in the winter, even though it loses range in the cold. It is still way better than a gas car. I just plug in every night at home and heat up the car while it is still plugged in the morning so it is ready to go when I get in.
apparently many do BUT quite a few manufacturers, Tesla included, i believe, advise AGAINST staying in the car as it charges due to the risk of fire when charging.
@@thevrhouse which is fine in America where everyone has somewhere to park/garage (or so it seems) but USELESS if you have to park in a street, half a mile from your 10th floor flat in a city centre!
I really hope we can get to a day where you can fully charge an EV in 5 minutes
I mean its not really needed.. if you are traveling a 15 min break isnt bad at all.. and you should pretty much never fast charge unless you are road tripping.
That is completely unnecessary. The vast vast majority of your charging happens at home or at your destination. All that time added up turns into tons of time saved
I'm looking forward to the day all cars can charge themselves
@@mattbrew11 Millions of people have no access to private home chargers, or chargers at their destinations. It is very necessary to them.
@@GeorgeGeo How do you take breaks??? With the large capacity pack, 60% is 181.8 miles, which is about 2.5 hours of driving per fast charge.
Like I said in another comment, if you need a break that often, you have health issues.
That one is broken, that one is...etc., lmao. Isn't great that EV's are so few out and about that Tommy did not have to drive to another parking lot to keep searching for a charger that worked? 😉
Yes they have impressive DC fast charging rates... however as you yourself have stated on multiple occasions... most EV owners, charge at home on Level 2. And charging on Level 2 this car doesn't really do anything special compared to any other EV, I spend a LOT of time at public chargers and a good majority of people I run into say they have never used / basically never use these things unless absolutely necessary.. even the people with 2-3 years worth of free EA charging
In my mind, you just proved that we are not ready for widespread EV sales. They can't stay in business long if they aren't charging customers. If they did charge you, I would not be comfortable not knowing what cost will show up on my credit card statement. Most of the units were down. It looks like either a failed business model or one that has rolled out their service before they fixed the bugs. I would not be able to sleep at night not knowing if I would be able to get my vehicle charged and possibly be stranded.
I will check back in 5 years.
The only thing I would care to know is how many miles per minute. I’m sure it would have to do a lot of rough guesses based on percent of charge and my driving habits.
My Mach E charges at 5 miles per minute and my model 3 is about 7 miles per minute on D/C fast chargers. I think this ionic 5 should do about 8 miles per minute
It averages about 10mi/min from 0-80%.
Enough said when you have 3 out of 4 chargers not working... and, you said you could go to the store or Starbucks while it charges... what happens if it stops charging while you are gone and you come back to find it quit charging on you?... or, if someone just took off with your vehicle?... and, how far off from the main highway did you have to travel to get to this charging station?... and/or, what if it's pouring down rain, no cover to keep you dry while connecting and disconnecting... there are lots of hurdles to overcome for real-world practicality with EVs... though, I'm sure they will eventually be solved with time and more acceptance and sales of EVs.
THIS - this could actually be a roadtrip/vacation vehicle. Now let's see if Hyundai can make enough and sell enough.
50% tea, 50% lemonade....that's called Swamp Water...
That's way less time than it takes to fuel my gas car. I timed it. Wife comes home, hands me the keys "Can you put gas in my car please?" I head out to the local Costco. 10 minute drive each way. Hit the line. 15 minutes. Get to the pump and fill, another 2 minutes. Oh, wait. I've got two cars. I've got to do this again tomorrow. Curse at how much time I waste each week getting gas. I'd happily trade a couple 20 minute road trip pit stops a year if it means that I don't have to waste that hour and a half each week fuelling vehicles. As soon as I can I'm buying electric for the sole reason of being able to charge at home.
Tesla needs some competition to push them off their 600V standard. Maybe this will do and they'll have the Cybertruck at 800V.
The IRA money for charging infrastructure does not go to any proprietary chargers. This will change them. No way they will spend a bunch of money to move to 800v when the days are numbered for their proprietary chargers.
I do not understand why the hell do these EV charging companies not take credit cards, and force you to sign up and use their app. It's ridiculous.
It takes me four to six minutes to fill-up with gasoline. Some days, most days, I have a difficult time finding just those few minutes.
I love my Mach e but the ionic 5 would be much better at road-tripping
just get gas, why waste money on a EV - time is money
@@atlasstjames5904 saving money and time is one of the reasons an EV works in california. It costs about 7 cents a mile to drive an EV versus about 20 cents a mile for a similar ICE vehicle. I get to drive in a carpool lane saving me time on my 110 mile commute. I also save time charging at home instead of filling up at a gas station twice a week. And best of all, I’ve never had to have it serviced in 34,000 miles
A gas car is even better for road tripping. My ice car goes from 0-700 miles range in maybe 3 minutes
lol, how fast could another Ionic charge if it arrived here since all other chargers are broken.
that looks good, or at least better, so now we need quiet few things... all manufactures doing close to 800V high Amp charging capability, better charger reliability and availability, just imagine how much that has to improve if now the very few EVs have hard time to find decent charging
Oh, and then there’s the inconvenient truth that you will get nowhere near this charging rate when the temp drops to near freezing.
So, about as fast as a Tesla Model 3 LR. In independent testing, a 2019 Tesla M3 LR can charge from 20%-80% in 20 min, adding 193 miles of range or 9.65 miles/min on average. This Ioniq 5 charged from 20%-80% in 18 min, adding 166 mi, or 9.2 miles/min on average. I think the charge rates are similar between Tesla and Hyundai/Kia but the Tesla has an efficiency advantage when it comes to the number of miles added from 20%-80%. Also, my comparison is on a 3 year Tesla vs a new Hyundai, I hope to see EVs charge faster in the future but for now, given the battery chemistry we have currently, this is about the limit of the technology.
as far as i remember 2021 M3/MY charge slower as tesla has modified their battery chemistry (decreased cobalt, added manganese) and suppliers
@@uludak8468 Chemistry is always changing, my 2019 charges as fast if not faster though, you also need to look at the miles added per minute though, the Tesla uses less Wh/mi and has a bigger battery so just saying one EV charges faster from 20% - 80% doesn't tell the whole story.
5:27 I bank with Ent.
Nice charging till sitting in line for the 5 cars in front of you
free charging pretty sweet. But the other guy's charger wasn't working so he just left.
But what toll will that fast charging take on the long-term battery health? Therein lies the tradeoff.
nissan leaf is a slow charger and their batteries didn't hold up well. now what?
@@uludak8468 The Nissan Leaf uses inferior air cooling instead of the more effective liquid cooling. Now what?
@@rkgsd why question then?
why dont you guys show us how long it takes to get a 100% charge on these cars and pickup.
5:26 I don’t drink Starbucks.
800 volts, or even higher, is the key to getting the power into the car. It remains to be seen how Tesla deals with this transition of paradigm.
6:45 I don’t drink tea.
There are some great charging CCS EVs out there right now. Unfortunately, they're dependent on the awful and unreliable CCS infrastructure. I wouldn't try to road trip one.
Yes go for the $10.00 ice tea.
Doesn't matter how fast a car can charge if your more likely then not to run into a broken charger.
LOL, half the chargers are broken, and this super fast charging car still wants 3/4 hr to fill. Thats 5 min at a fuel station that has far more reliable pumps and are everywhere.
That one’s broken, that one’s broken, that one’s broken…… things you don’t hear being said at a gas station. The reason the EV market is not ready for prime time. Thanks for sharing how unreliable these places continue to be for the average person. We are years away from moving to this fully.
EVs or DC chargers should allow you to change the charge speed when DC charging. What if you need more time to go to a restaurant. Also, it is better for the battery to charge at lower speeds.
The car might let you do that. My Tesla has that as a feature.
@@jonmargerum-leys5634 they do when AC charging. Not when DC charging (supercharging)
When dealers stop charging 10k and up markups for these cars then maybe. Otherwise there just not worth it. Also all but one of these chargers where broken. No thanks.
@Defective Degenerate I won’t spend 10k in gas in 5 years. For me the total cost of ownership for thy car os way out of whack. I can buy brand new Corolla xse and spend half of what inwouod spend on that car. Sorry this isn’t for me
Wow......too bad nobody can get one or get one below $50k.....
Too bad US spec doesn't have 2 'nap' seat
Doing the math at .27 per kWh and with gas prices at 3.15 per gallon, this car would cost about half as much to drive 180 miles as it costs me to do so in my Honda CR-V. That's pretty impressive. I'm still not sold on EVs for every situation, but for a commuter around town it seems very viable and a good value for those who can afford one. It still seems expensive when considering the entry price for a long range car is $45k, but that is basically the average new car price right now. Rebates can help offset that some. It will be interesting to see if those prices can come down with wider adoption so that more people can afford to get into the EV game.
And for all commuting needs no gas station visits. No oil changes to mess with. Smooth, responsive, quiet power. Even on low end models the drivetrain feels like high end luxury car drivetrains.
Do the math with your local utility rates and it gets even better most likely. Ours is 16 cents during the day and only 5 at night.
Before the expiration of the $7,500 credit, we picked up the Kia EV6 AWD Wind for $43,000 MSRP less $7,500 and it ends up being $36,000 - THIS is pretty incredible. Obviously, you'll have a hard time getting the EV6 but it shows you how much more affordable EVs have become now that competition from Korea are arriving.
@@stopthefomo Tax credits aren't free money, and not everyone qualifies for them. Also, Kia just raised the base price of the EV6 from ~$43,000 to nearly $50,000. In fact, they aren't becoming more affordable, they're more become way more expensive.
EV’s make a lot of sense in California where gas prices are usually above $5.00 . We have a Mach E and a model 3 in our household, but we still use our Ford Explorer for road tripping, because ICE vehicle are just more convenient on long trips
Hopefully NIO EV come to USA.
JUST SWAPPING THE BATTERY.......
Big missed opportunity to show EVgo’s autocharge+ feature. TFL once again showing their lack of true EV prowess, sorry to say.
It's not going to be the most important thing. At least not fast charging. You charge at home like 99% of the time!
It sure does I keep seeing Audi's and VW and my Hyundai Ioniq 5 charges way faster.
Doesn't Tesla Superchargers charge at 250KW? Why are you so excited about 204kW?
You run the risk of overcharging the battery when you go past the regular charge rate. I got a feeling alot of cars will be needing new batteries in less then 30k miles
@Defective Degenerate yes, but multiple charges over a couple of years, it takes a wear. Think about phone batteries and multiply the concept times 100x. Unless we find another source or get better results for charging, ev cars will not survive
thats just wrong, actually. you can't overcharge a battery, the BMS knows what to do.
@@TheMeanestGuy phone batteries are way different than car EV batteries
I hear hyundais lose oil pressure and catch fire and kill you. I dunno how much oil pressure these electrical cars need but I will stick to my mule cart. 23 skidoo!
I get the charging speed but the fact you walked up to 3 of those chargers and they don't work is why I can get myself to part with my Tesla. I would love a model Y but they are too expensive and the alternatives on the market just don't offer enough of the same benefits as Telsa for me to part with the Model 3 to get into an Ioniq 5, even at the lower price.
tries to show successful quick charging.....but most of the stations are broken....
Those door handles are dumb