OD green works well for a few reasons. 1. it's not a ''pattern''. It is easier to move while wearing one solid earth tone color. 2. OD takes on the projected patterns of leaves and branches and natural shadows, (it lends it's self to local foliage). 3. After a while it gets dirty and this only helps it's lending ability even more.
Yes we would mud it up to blend in with everything in that environment even crawling in shallow running streams as recce we were to observe and not make contact, we also were not to show any state we were part of. The 80s and 90s before the internet a lot more navigating or orienteering.
What I like about OD is, that it works relatively well but no longer looks extremely militaristic. So one can blend in with nature without standing out of other people.
Tell that to my fellow civilians who keep thanking me for my nonexistent service in the military because I wear my old beat to hell reproduction OD green bdu field jacket thing
Olive green we had in the Netherlands and after some washings it faded a bit and was actually very effective in all kinds of terrains it was the sort of non collour that did not atract the attention of the eye unless you where specially looking for it. Once in Africa, we looked for rino's and elegants and althought big and grey they could be standing behind a thin bush or little tree and you couldn't see it at all. That tought me a lot about camouflage effectiveness.
thats an interesting insight. same for grizzlys in the US, big and brown but they walk into some bushes and unless you know where to look, youd never see them
Jack Droog Carlos hathcock said he learned most of his camouflage techniques from watching animals on National Geographic, etc. I personally think OD green is one of the most effective, to me camo patterns stick out like a sore thumb, I wished the military went back to some solid colors like this.
I'm a historian, so I really appreciate seeing uniform patterns from history tested systematically. It gives me a slightly better understanding. After all, most of the film from back then is an off sorta color.
I found it easy to spot him in every hiding spot he was in, but i know for sure that if i was just walking in the woods, i wouldnt notice him for shit. Pretty awesome
@@miguelmagallon7863 when it happens for real you will probably be thinking you are safe and then have the living crap scared out of you when you realize its a human.
Class of 1972, US Army, 1st Infantry Division. Armor and infantry combat MOS, soldier. I still believe in OD green and mix my gear with the woodland camo. (Mag pouches, med kit, and canteen holder. On the back of my plate carrier, I have a woodland sustainment pouch for misc Gear. Water purification unit, water bladder, Night vision, rifle scope, and goggles. 65 years old and still humping along. OD, still works well.
Little trivial fact: The Austrian military, the Israeli military, and the Cuban military are the only militarie's left that still wear solid color combat fatigues including OD. And the Canadian military wore olive drab fatigues up until the late 90's.
I'm really impressed at how effective OD is. For years I thought it was worthless because technically it's not a true camouflage because it doesn't break up your body's outline. But after watching this video I have completely changed my mind, I guess really do have to see with your two eyes to believe certain things.
its realy amazing how well the od green works. it picks up the light and shadows exactly where they occur not offering anything extra like many of the modern camo patterns do.
OD Green seems to be the jack-of-all-trades when it comes to camo. It's adaptive qualities are excellent when you add gear of different camo types (I prefer Dark Earth and German Flecktarn) which help break up your outline and blend in in wooded and grassland environments, especially in the fall when there's not so much green as there is browns. It's also more budget-friendly when compared to something like MultiCam. Just thought I'd throw in my $0.02 worth.
I love OD green. Trying to find one camo that works in all vegetation is silly. OD in darker provinces and at night= pretty good OD in afghanistan= terrible and vice versa. It is all dependent on individual need and mission specifications! Great video!
It's not an entirely correct argument. In an environment where a plain olive works good, it would work better if you applied a camouflage pattern to it (keeping the overall colours roughly the same). The ground and plants are full of contrasting dots, blobs and stripes of different shades. A big blob of the same shade of green is uncommon and our eyes can notice the lack of "noise pattern" that should be present there
In theory, yes, but in reality a pattern is just that. A pattern which is an indicator in of itself. This is why atacs was effective because it strayed away from the pattern effect, but even then, the choice of contrasting colors draws attention. Even if you see a big blob, if you cannot see the outline or a pattern that screams military, your mind will dismiss it. No matter how good a pattern is, it will never match the texture of it's surroundings. A flat color doesn't give the mind much to ponder aside from the outline of the body, which should not be noticeable in most cases. To me, OD green, tan, and white is all you need for any environment.
keaton lowry depends where in Afghanistan the country is a massive mountainous region. You have areas of Afghanistan which are wooded, areas which are desert and areas which are steppe not to mention snowy areas of the mountains.
Hi Brent, another awesome video as usual. I've always been a big fan of OD but I have an idea, sometime this spring/summer you should make a video showing how effective OD would be when you add mud, charcoal, and a good amount of natural foliage.
Hi, These are great vids, thanks! I would agree that OD is a very versatile pattern. I love my old OD ALICE gear because it remains multi-environment not hampered by a particular scheme. As far as the uniforms I am struck by how effective OD really is, particularly in the shadows amongst dense brush. It seems to be a bit too dark in lighter foliage or where sun permeates which confirms what I used to hear a lot back in the old days from vets, who said it's actually better when it wears a bit or the die lightens up to not so dark of a OD number. I guess like M1956/ 68 & 73 web gear they played around with different shade numbers of OD on the NSN specs over time, even within production runs, to see what worked the best.
Nowhere near as good as coyote but it does seem to be pretty good when not in direct sunlight. But its a color easily missed if you're not looking for it. But I've noticed that there seems to be different "shades" of OD thats more maker based. I've seen it all the way from a real green olive to the darker European ones to ranger green. You're definitely seems to have a real gray hue to them. Nice thing about OD and Coyote is that you can wear it in public and not draw many eyes unlike mooncamo and multicam.
I mix OD green and some woodland. I live in Arizona and trust me when I say OD green works in the desert environment too. I painted an old RV od green and parked it along a treeline down outside of Yuma. Called a friend and told him where I was at, then walked away from the RV and hid about 400 yards away in front of the RV. It took him about 15 minutes to find the RV, which was in plain sight, in front of the treeline, at about 430pm during the fall. He didnt see it ...the RV was a 20' cab over. I nick named it the war wagon. I used camo mesh over the windshield, windows and lights
@@MelonMafia1 , hahahhaha. U think? My cabin is od green too and a very good friend couldnt see that either out here in the high desert in broad daylight, till he was almost on top.of it. He was shocked ...is that it? He said. He was still.looking down the other way, thinking it was somewhere else.
I think you should consider mixing colors to see how that might change things. In the wild, animals commonly have very light legs and darker upper bodies, theoretically to match standing in dirt with a torso against brush. I've seen some unconventional military units try such things with some reputed success. So, I think it would be interesting to mix an OD (OG) upper with a Coyote Tan lower garmet. Likewise, it would be interesting to test Marine green digital over six-color desert pants. Also, the lore coming out of WWII was that the Marines didn't like a camo clothing pattern because dot type color schemes were much easier to see when moving. However, when someone was holding still they disappeared very well. So, a dot-style pattern helmet cover worked well for someone observing with only his head up from a fixed position, while leaving the rest of the body in a solid color made them harder to see if moving slightly. I think you could test this in some interesting ways with both mixing the color of the upper body, and testing different helmet or soft cover schemes.
I've just shot a video about a new OD tactical uniform - which will be released next friday - and now I see this video of yours. I clearly should have made a camo test as well...
That is false in fields and lots of grass and brush with light it works good camos like m81 or multicam when in areas with light it is visible because it has black in it for shadows not od green tho when light shines it is only green reflected
Keep in mind, OD is a solid color WHEN NEW. The uniform can/will be altered after time in the field to soak up the natural soil, just like a ghillie wash would. Numerous guys at sniper school think OD is a superior camp for this reason; the operator can customize any aspect to his choosing
in my old light armored recce unit we wore OD , It was very effective.. however in the field we were never caught without extra additions and vegetation added...
Thing about camo I think is that when you're patrolling through an environment, you and your battle buddies are the ones moving through the bush. If the enemy is dug in and waiting for you, they're going to have the advantage that being still offers in terms of camo, plus you're not going to have the luxury of standing in one spot, squinting your eyes and focusing on one area for who knows how long, like a window of a youtube channel. I used to be of the "Digital is the way to go" but I've been warming up lately to OD green. Thanks for posting this vid, Brent0331.
I wore OD Sateen the entire time I was an Infantry Marine. We found that after three or four days in the field OD green became dirty, splotched with sweat, and stained to the point it began to take on the appearance of the surrounding environment. It became self camouflaging. You could add material and vegetation to it and it worked fine. Working as a land survey crew after service we found even simple civilian clothes that were not actually brightend to show up made our crews hard to spot in woods to take Theodolite shots.
In the 80s in the Philippines, we were issued dark green ramie uniforms and were too dark. zUS cotton and cotton poly ods were bought from surplus shops to replce those. Trropical ods were a heavensent item but were expensive. BDUs in woodland were also cool back then, and were used widelyby those who could afford them. Today, wqe are lucky to have a dirth of good camo patterns. Great work, Brent.
Sure thing, Brent. Keep up your enjoyable work. I saw the German show on you and was quite surprised at how much I comprehended. I guess my high school German paid off.
Not dissing on OD but with the exception of two scenarios (@ approximately 4:30 & 5:30) I found it relatively easy to quickly pick you out. However real life scenarios out in the field might differ.
Like the Wehrmacht's Feldgrau the Vietnam era and later OD Green works better with a background of tree trunks and dirt embankments than in the more yellowy green of grass and leaves.
The Autrian army uses OD, but then Austria's vegetation enviroment is a lot darker, and the greens are not as bright. Plus their army looks to be happy to continue using OD.
OD green/ranger green is one of those magical colors that takes on the colors around it. At a distance it comes off as gray like desaturated tree trunks.
Nice video. I think the clothes should be covered with mud to give them best effectiveness. It's very hard to find you in other videos, but in this, I can almost spot your location immediately. I love your "tiger stripe" video (specially the Vietnam tiger stripe). Thank you!
Effective in the dark areas, not so much in the sun light. I like OD myself but I like Coyote Tan too. Maybe a mix and match might work some. Thanks for the video!
For a uniform that served from 1892-1983 for several country's like Russia, England, Australia, Canada, Poland, Finland, Czechlosovakia, United States of America, England , Mexico. Serbia, Austria, South Africa, Israel. And several other countries I wouldn't kick the Olive Drab uniform. It's still seen in wide spread use all over the world today. Allot of military equipment is painted in Olive Drab all over the world.
Having seen OD, Tiger Stripes (Don't know who made them), Woodland and some British and French camo in the jungle situations I was always surprised at how well the OD fatigues performed. It wasn't the best in all situations but it never jumped out to the eye like the various camo patterns. Tiger stripes are popular but in some situations like broken shadows against a dark background, they popped out visually while standing next to a guy wearing your basic OD.
OD was very popular during the Cold War, from the 50's to the 80's. It was used by NATO forces, both uniforms and vehicle painted OD. The Warsaw Pact used OD primarely for vehicles. The reason why OD was used, in lieu of camouflage pattern was trifold: 1. The NATO Armies were mechanised, meaning that the soldiers were driven to the battlefield in ACP. So it was a movement war, if war should break out. So a camouflage pattern was not needed when on the move, or staying a short while at a location. Then fight the WP and retread to the next defence location. On the move, camouflage does not work. 2. OD is cheap, it takes only 1 dying process. A camo pattern takes 3 to 6 dying processes, depending on th number of colors. The armies were hughes in numbers, so cutting costs of soldiers gears was important. 3. PR was very important. Camo looked too agressive in the eyes of civilians and OD did not so much. This happened mostly during the 70's, when the West Germans fased out their 1950's camouflage uniform for OD/ Stone Grey uniforms. OD was very effective against star light amplifier night vision devices. The Dutch Army switched from OD to the British DPM camouflage 1993 and it showed in test. The tan colors stood out on the night vision and OD was very hard to spot.
It seems like the US OD is quite different from the Canadian one I have. Yours looks almost like ranger green and ours more like mud. Canadian OD is so effective that it hasn't been fully replaced by CADPAT yet... Very interesting video btw.
I think it works with the canopy of the forest as the light coming through and the shadows create a moving pattern so it will blend in to an environment but won't fully distort your outline like more dedicated camo uniforms. Plus, OD green just had that classic look to it and is usually a good material. German field OD shirts are real good for keeping you cool in the heat.
i saw ya in every setting ,except what was supposed to happen from 5:24 -to-5:35 in the open field , did you just forget to edit that out or were you there and just messing with us .,,,great video , alot of work goes into making something like this even the editing takes a bit as well so well done ,thank you.and ya got a new sub b/c of it.
Hi Brent, I very much like your camo tests and comparisons, however I would like to point out that your title is incorrect. Apologies for nitpicking but what you are in fact wearing is Olive Green (not Olive Drab or OD) specifically OG-107. There is a clear difference as Olive Drab is the colour between Tan and Green, whereas Olive Green is (as the name suggests) more towards the green end. Olive Drab is currently the colour worn by the Israeli Defence Force as their standard service uniforms and you will see it is much more tan than what you are wearing. Hope this clears things up. Please keep the great videos coming.
My favorite uniform of all time is Vietnam OD utilities. It was decided during Vietnam that ODs would be issued over camo uniforms because in the thick foliage the green provided adequate concealment and movement gave away a soldier's location, not color of his uniform. That's still true.
That first clip shows that even more important is to choose your hiding spot. Even with knowledge of location he simply can't be seen. No need for fancy pattern when enviroment does all the work for you.
They had a Vietnam style of woodland, which is almost impossible to find now. Look at some old vietnam.pictures online and you might find it Tiger stripe was also common. But there are two types. One has yellow in it. I prefer the non yellow one.
I use OD green when i play paintball in the woods and it works great. As it fades and then gets dirty, then it really starts to blend in. Though if od green gets wet it turns dark and then you can see it easily.
Big fan of O.D. green. What do you think of mix and match colors and patterns? Would love to see a video on the effectiveness of mixed solid colors brown, O.D., coyote tan and black as well as mixed camo patterns. As always another well done video D/D.
Where’s you film this and excellent video I originally was building an OD loadout and switched to multicam because I didn’t think it would be that effective but this proves otherwise it’s even effective in dirt great job
I imagine that as a grunt is out in the field (particularly if its muddy enough) the ODs would 'stain' and develop a 'natural' pattern that would blend well with that particular area.
I don't know why I do, but I have always liked ODG the best. You look like a cool shadow demon or something when you pop up in the distance or walk out of the shadows with the OD on.
OLIVE DRAB -has always been up there with my favourites ! .....but south african NUTRIA would be my favoured all round uniform colour (similar to coyote)
One thing to consider: an HD camera or any camera for that matter, doesn't process light or color like the human eye. I have watched the woodland camo video and this one so far and you can clearly see the camera accentuating the light drenched, bright green leaves and foliage. Me personally, I like the tiger stripe, because it breaks up the human form against a background the best IMO. But every environment is different, I surely wouldn't have wanted tiger stripe in Kabul.
OD blended in a lot better than I expected. It took me half the video to predict the spots you were in but to unsuspecting personnel it's just as good as multicam. What do you think would win over all the digital woodland, OD, multicam /scorpion v3?
I love OD green. Tested it out at night vs black, tiger stripe, and woodland, and the OD green just "vanished" much closer to me than any of the others.
just a thought..but as an observation,here is what i notice wring with solid Olive drab. when you look at the surroundings notice the effect of light on foliage. bright vibrant colors,but somewhat broken up by flecks of varying intensity of color. the color of the foliage doesn't change ..its the light source that is on it directly or shaded. if a object is painted in the most intense brightest colors found in a setting,then when it is placed in "the shade " it does the same effect as a plant in direct sunlight as compared with it being placed in the shade. the problem i see is that too much emphasis is placed on darker colors,when nature already changes the lighting and its effects on the object.
OD was designed for all year round use, so bright would work well in spring and summer, but not in fall and winter. So OD was inbetween green and brown, so it worked well in fall and winter too.
The county Sheriff's Dept. I live in,the deputies wear all OD green uniform compared to other Sheriff's dept. in the rest of the State wear either khaki,tan or brown & green. Also,the US border patrol wear an all OD green uniform.
Interesting thought...in Nam, some US troops (early SOG/LRRP) actually took OD unis and spray painted black splotches and shadows on them. You did Flectarn, how about German Army 'feldgrau' (field grey) It's technically grey-green.
Hey Brent, I have an idea for a video, sometime this summer you should get a separate set of OD fatigues and spray paint them with black vertical lines just like the SOG teams in Vietnam and then test it. Many former SOG's swear that spray painted OD fatigues were vastly superior to tiger stripe.
Spotted you most of the time, OD is not as good a disruptive pattern, interesting experiment. we have just been issued with Multicam in place of DPM Combat 95 uniform. seem to work ok so far.
From what I understand, many police organizations are only allowed to use solid colors (OD Green, Ranger Green, Tan, Coyote, or Blue, ETC). Any chance you can mix and match some solid colors, such as OD bdu shirt with coyote tan bdu bottoms? Your videos are very educational, btw, keep it up.
Most departments (even rural ones) aren't trained to track criminals in the woods, so camoflauge is a moot point for most. If they do plan to pursue, they bring in specially trained recovery teams who usually are more flexible in their selection but still very strapped for cash.
Or I could actually recommend basically any camo that Wehrmacht and SS issued. I know that you tested dot44 and Sumpftarnmuster(NVA but it's very similar), but I could recommend Eichentarn, Platanentarn or Palmentarn(I personally use Eichentarn for airsoft and so far it works much better than anything that other players use, I live in Central Europe, and they mostly use some modern patterns, which are ill-suited for this environment(multicam, etc.), or some older patterns(Swiss Leibermuster, Flecktarn, VZ95) which are good enough but still worse than Eichentarn).
Was looking up Ranger green vs Multicam. I feel like green can hold up because some of the shots I didn’t see you at all. Maybe your a master of hiding but I think at least in the prone the solid green colour really kinda shows, and that multicam is better overall, maybe in a darker tint. Part of my reasoning with ODG is not being able to see the plate carrier and objects your carrying. Plus some clothes are common in solid colours like green.
I wear mossy oak in the deer woods and as long as I am not winded the only thing that tips them off is movement. So I think that is huge no matter what you are wearing.
OD Green is fairly easy to spot compared to other green colored camos. It doesn't have the dispersion as multi colored camos like Multicam, Marpat, Flecktarn etc. I'm looking to start play airsoft and I have learned that the darker and greener the colors are the better; on the most part. I am thinking of doing a Russian Digital Flora as the main BTU and OD green for the vest.
I actually found some flora material at Walmart and use them for wraps it's very good. The digital disperses colors well. You're pretty lucky to get flora uniform. And if I'm not mistaken you can get different shades of color like German flecktarn
leaddispenser9 Its a russian camo and it doesn't look like flowers or plants; its just called that. Heres some examples: www.sovietarmystuff.com/Category_83_Digital_Flora_Camo.html
***** Which do you think is better? Does camo actually work better then green or is it just hype? I know the Russians and the Israelis still use green. How come the US started using camo in the first place?
I live in the woods of central Virginia. Its not very heavily forested, and there is a whole lot of brown from tons of leaves on the ground. What would you recommend for this type of environment?
i like one color utilities. they tend to work better than woodland etc.. this was good. alot of camouflage really has to do with lighting and shadows for instance @ night O.D. Green is excellent. it even works better than all black because of the light reflecting properties. but as a rule of thumb it seems green is a tough pattern to mimic in nature. and our eyes will differentiate shades of green quicker than browns and tans. so like animals who mostly use browns and tans we are better suited for those light earth tones or flat dark earth tones. for blending in to the surrounding. but iv'e always liked O.D. green its old school and it seems to generally work better than woodland pattern. i joined the Marine corps during the woodland camo era.. in the eighties and i stayed around long enough to transition to the digital uniform. and it's good to see the evolution.
Man I wish, I love the pattern. The only place I can find ERDL though is a website called Moore’s militaria. They sell reproductions but they are very pricy, and If the reproductions are that pricy you can imagine what the originals are going for. www.mooremilitaria.com/prod02.htm
I got an olive drab tactical vest tge other day and it works great over top of CADPAT, but do u think it would work better if I did your, (camouflage youself, individual gear and equipment) video for it?
@Brent0331 could you do a video on the correct wear of web gear, I can't get mine right when I go prone and get back up the belt has a habit of going up too and then it's just something that annoys me
Me and my airsoft team decided on OD because nobody uses it and as you showed in your video it still kick ass! In the end, yes, maybe i can notice you if i knew that you were in that 720p square but when somebody is patrolling/moving and have to check at least 180° i don't think that it's going to notice you: I noticed that in movement it actually catches the eye less than a normal camo can you confirm?
kuromatsu01 That is one of the reasons I leave the movement phase in my videos, so that people can see how the pattern preforms on the move. I don’t know if it’s better than all camouflage patterns while on the move, but I have read according to Olive-drab.com that the Marine Corps noticed that OD fatiques were better than the camouflage uniforms while on the move. “Camo only had the advantage when held still, such as when used by a sniper placed in a static position.” olive-drab.com/od_soldiers_clothing_combat_ww2_usmc_camo.php
kuromatsu01 This is why I nearly always avoid a pattern. Many don't realize that when you match a camouflage precisely to an environment, you are only getting partial "effectiveness" as you are relying primarily on tricking the eyes ability to see the human silhouette. The viewer actually sees the camouflage pattern (creating an outline, but a non-human one) so when you move, it is equivalent to the observer seeing a tree move. A flat drab color of one of the "holy trinity" (white, green, or tan) with the possibility of slight blending with another shade effectively has no outline, which is what the eye primarily spots as a reference of movement. Of course, no pattern will make you invisible, and background has a big role in this effect, but still, I think that experience has shown flat drab colors to be superior to many patterns.
I need HELP for choosing a color on my 5.11 rush 24 back pack which is better Multi cam or OD green I live on the eastern shore I want something that is gonna be not see able at night and good at blending in. Thanks :) also comes in sandstone
In woodland areas Multicam actually performs worse, its to bright and easily seen. I actually use a OD green kit for airsoft, and its advantage is that I can keep my pants on when I use public transport to and from the field without getting to many weird looks. it also is great for just playing CQB, you are not just black, but also it doesnt look weird to run around rooms with some sort of camo. overall I think everyone should at least own some OD stuff.
Hey Brent, any opinion on Ranger Green? I chose my plate carrier in this color due to the fact that it's not as dark as OD and not as light as say Foliage. Just a very neutral color. Any thoughts about this color?
do you think od green plate carrier with black mag pouches will work well or should I choose od green with Multicam mag pouches because those are the only two cams patterns they offer for this specific mag pouch this I need? Thanks
I live in Missouri and I don't know what camo patterns would be the best. I'm colorblind so I simply don't know if it's me or the patterns that make it so hard to see. I'd like some suggestions
hmmm. cyotte tan or brown seems a bit better here than the OD green, the color is slightly too dark for these woods, but better i suppose in the fall and winter.
I was able to see you pretty quickly most of the time, but it took longer the further away you set up the camera. That’s the important thing to note: at close distance, anyone can spot someone no matter what camouflage they are using, save for a ghillie suit because that has actual foliage attached to it. The human shape will pop out whether you are using OD, Woodland, Multicam, etc at close distance, but by the time you get that close to them, it’s too late anyways. Not to mention of course your camera has a rather focused field of view which also makes spotting you easier than if we were walking in the woods with the whole panorama of nature surrounding us, plus there's also the way the human brain works. Soldiers out on a patrol are trained to assume there's enemy out there and to be actively looking for them sure, but your ability to spot someone still won't be as sharp as it is when you know for a fact that there is someone there.
OD green works well for a few reasons. 1. it's not a ''pattern''. It is easier to move while wearing one solid earth tone color. 2. OD takes on the projected patterns of leaves and branches and natural shadows, (it lends it's self to local foliage). 3. After a while it gets dirty and this only helps it's lending ability even more.
Couldn’t agree more.
Spot on. That's why I love it.
Yes we would mud it up to blend in with everything in that environment even crawling in shallow running streams as recce we were to observe and not make contact, we also were not to show any state we were part of. The 80s and 90s before the internet a lot more navigating or orienteering.
What I like about OD is, that it works relatively well but no longer looks extremely militaristic. So one can blend in with nature without standing out of other people.
OD is for civilian use now. Its just plain stupid for militaries to use OD now
@@wombatwave1097 What?
@@wombatwave1097 why would it be stupid. Its effective, simple and works in many environments.
@@wombatwave1097 If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It's the same reason why the Russians use German SS camouflages designed in the 40's
Tell that to my fellow civilians who keep thanking me for my nonexistent service in the military because I wear my old beat to hell reproduction OD green bdu field jacket thing
Olive green we had in the Netherlands and after some washings it faded a bit and was actually very effective in all kinds of terrains it was the sort of non collour that did not atract the attention of the eye unless you where specially looking for it.
Once in Africa, we looked for rino's and elegants and althought big and grey they could be standing behind a thin bush or little tree and you couldn't see it at all. That tought me a lot about camouflage effectiveness.
thats an interesting insight. same for grizzlys in the US, big and brown but they walk into some bushes and unless you know where to look, youd never see them
Jack Droog Carlos hathcock said he learned most of his camouflage techniques from watching animals on National Geographic, etc. I personally think OD green is one of the most effective, to me camo patterns stick out like a sore thumb, I wished the military went back to some solid colors like this.
Natures camo always wins that & the preys ability to outrun the predators .🦓🐅 🦛🦅
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But why were you looking for elephants and rhinos though? I hope you weren't hunting endangered species
@Josh O'Neill but if you kill all there wont be any at all
I'm a historian, so I really appreciate seeing uniform patterns from history tested systematically. It gives me a slightly better understanding. After all, most of the film from back then is an off sorta color.
I found it easy to spot him in every hiding spot he was in, but i know for sure that if i was just walking in the woods, i wouldnt notice him for shit.
Pretty awesome
Norriko told my self the same thing haha i was thinking i was good at spotting hha
@@miguelmagallon7863 when it happens for real you will probably be thinking you are safe and then have the living crap scared out of you when you realize its a human.
Remind me not to put you guys on point. LOL
Me too
If anything he’d be easier to spot irl because of depth perception and movement.
Class of 1972, US Army, 1st Infantry Division. Armor and infantry combat MOS, soldier.
I still believe in OD green and mix my gear with the woodland camo. (Mag pouches, med kit, and canteen holder. On the back of my plate carrier, I have a woodland sustainment pouch for misc
Gear. Water purification unit, water bladder, Night vision, rifle scope, and goggles.
65 years old and still humping along. OD, still works well.
Od green looks better than coyote tan, i hope it makes a comeback and replaces that diarea color
@@thegeth4293 Its about efficiency not looks!
Little trivial fact: The Austrian military, the Israeli military, and the Cuban military are the only militarie's left that still wear solid color combat fatigues including OD. And the Canadian military wore olive drab fatigues up until the late 90's.
venezuela also uses olive drab.
Pilots also still use olive drab uniforms thank god
Austrian army uses RAL7013 more brown than OD
I'm really impressed at how effective OD is. For years I thought it was worthless because technically it's not a true camouflage because it doesn't break up your body's outline. But after watching this video I have completely changed my mind, I guess really do have to see with your two eyes to believe certain things.
Still beter than acu unless your surrounded by perfectly grey rocks(Edit* at the time of this post UCP was the pattern on ACU's)
Thermal beats camo
what?
thermal imaging
what does an old couch have to do with anything
Memorible werd google it. you'll laugh.
its ucp not acu (just so you dont get corrected in future)
it was the acu till it got replaced and the comment was before the replacement.
its realy amazing how well the od green works. it picks up the light and shadows exactly where they occur not offering anything extra like many of the modern camo patterns do.
OD Green seems to be the jack-of-all-trades when it comes to camo. It's adaptive qualities are excellent when you add gear of different camo types (I prefer Dark Earth and German Flecktarn) which help break up your outline and blend in in wooded and grassland environments, especially in the fall when there's not so much green as there is browns. It's also more budget-friendly when compared to something like MultiCam. Just thought I'd throw in my $0.02 worth.
Absolutely man, I agree. Thanks for your 2 cents.
I love OD green. Trying to find one camo that works in all vegetation is silly. OD in darker provinces and at night= pretty good
OD in afghanistan= terrible and vice versa. It is all dependent on individual need and mission specifications! Great video!
It's not an entirely correct argument. In an environment where a plain olive works good, it would work better if you applied a camouflage pattern to it (keeping the overall colours roughly the same). The ground and plants are full of contrasting dots, blobs and stripes of different shades. A big blob of the same shade of green is uncommon and our eyes can notice the lack of "noise pattern" that should be present there
In theory, yes, but in reality a pattern is just that. A pattern which is an indicator in of itself. This is why atacs was effective because it strayed away from the pattern effect, but even then, the choice of contrasting colors draws attention. Even if you see a big blob, if you cannot see the outline or a pattern that screams military, your mind will dismiss it. No matter how good a pattern is, it will never match the texture of it's surroundings. A flat color doesn't give the mind much to ponder aside from the outline of the body, which should not be noticeable in most cases.
To me, OD green, tan, and white is all you need for any environment.
keaton lowry depends where in Afghanistan the country is a massive mountainous region. You have areas of Afghanistan which are wooded, areas which are desert and areas which are steppe not to mention snowy areas of the mountains.
Od mixed with brown works amazingly well in my home region. The pine trees have a much darker green and brown than the lighter east coast forests
Hi Brent, another awesome video as usual. I've always been a big fan of OD but I have an idea, sometime this spring/summer you should make a video showing how effective OD would be when you add mud, charcoal, and a good amount of natural foliage.
2023 is the year ! I’m glad you posted this video it’s a great video ! Hope you are well
I'd rather have OD rather that horrendous UCP or worse yet the Air FARCE's ABU pattern. I wore OD from 1978-1983 in the USAF.
Hi, These are great vids, thanks! I would agree that OD is a very versatile pattern. I love my old OD ALICE gear because it remains multi-environment not hampered by a particular scheme. As far as the uniforms I am struck by how effective OD really is, particularly in the shadows amongst dense brush. It seems to be a bit too dark in lighter foliage or where sun permeates which confirms what I used to hear a lot back in the old days from vets, who said it's actually better when it wears a bit or the die lightens up to not so dark of a OD number. I guess like M1956/ 68 & 73 web gear they played around with different shade numbers of OD on the NSN specs over time, even within production runs, to see what worked the best.
Justin Somerset Thanks brother, glad you enjoyed it.
Nowhere near as good as coyote but it does seem to be pretty good when not in direct sunlight. But its a color easily missed if you're not looking for it. But I've noticed that there seems to be different "shades" of OD thats more maker based. I've seen it all the way from a real green olive to the darker European ones to ranger green. You're definitely seems to have a real gray hue to them.
Nice thing about OD and Coyote is that you can wear it in public and not draw many eyes unlike mooncamo and multicam.
I mix OD green and some woodland. I live in Arizona and trust me when I say OD green works in the desert environment too. I painted an old RV od green and parked it along a treeline down outside of Yuma. Called a friend and told him where I was at, then walked away from the RV and hid about 400 yards away in front of the RV. It took him about 15 minutes to find the RV, which was in plain sight, in front of the treeline, at about 430pm during the fall. He didnt see it ...the RV was a 20' cab over. I nick named it the war wagon. I used camo mesh over the windshield, windows and lights
@@DMF716 Bruh your friend needs some glasses
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My cabin is od green too and a very good friend couldnt see that either out here in the high desert in broad daylight, till he was almost on top.of it. He was shocked ...is that it? He said. He was still.looking down the other way, thinking it was somewhere else.
I think you should consider mixing colors to see how that might change things. In the wild, animals commonly have very light legs and darker upper bodies, theoretically to match standing in dirt with a torso against brush. I've seen some unconventional military units try such things with some reputed success. So, I think it would be interesting to mix an OD (OG) upper with a Coyote Tan lower garmet. Likewise, it would be interesting to test Marine green digital over six-color desert pants.
Also, the lore coming out of WWII was that the Marines didn't like a camo clothing pattern because dot type color schemes were much easier to see when moving. However, when someone was holding still they disappeared very well. So, a dot-style pattern helmet cover worked well for someone observing with only his head up from a fixed position, while leaving the rest of the body in a solid color made them harder to see if moving slightly. I think you could test this in some interesting ways with both mixing the color of the upper body, and testing different helmet or soft cover schemes.
I cant remember which army it was but there is/was one that wearing green pants but camo jackets.
@@Gieszkanne several. Most notably the Royal Marines. At least in my experience.
I've just shot a video about a new OD tactical uniform - which will be released next friday - and now I see this video of yours. I clearly should have made a camo test as well...
OD green is most effective in Shadows
Such as jungle environments
Isn't all camo?
That is false in fields and lots of grass and brush with light it works good camos like m81 or multicam when in areas with light it is visible because it has black in it for shadows not od green tho when light shines it is only green reflected
Keep in mind, OD is a solid color WHEN NEW. The uniform can/will be altered after time in the field to soak up the natural soil, just like a ghillie wash would. Numerous guys at sniper school think OD is a superior camp for this reason; the operator can customize any aspect to his choosing
I love your videos, great resource . You should do an all gray effectiveness video. There seems to be a lot of it on the market now.
Kevin McDowell Thanks man, I probably won't be doing any gray anytime soon but I appreciate the suggestion though.
in my old light armored recce unit we wore OD , It was very effective.. however in the field we were never caught without extra additions and vegetation added...
Thing about camo I think is that when you're patrolling through an environment, you and your battle buddies are the ones moving through the bush. If the enemy is dug in and waiting for you, they're going to have the advantage that being still offers in terms of camo, plus you're not going to have the luxury of standing in one spot, squinting your eyes and focusing on one area for who knows how long, like a window of a youtube channel.
I used to be of the "Digital is the way to go" but I've been warming up lately to OD green. Thanks for posting this vid, Brent0331.
I wore OD Sateen the entire time I was an Infantry Marine. We found that after three or four days in the field OD green became dirty, splotched with sweat, and stained to the point it began to take on the appearance of the surrounding environment.
It became self camouflaging. You could add material and vegetation to it and it worked fine.
Working as a land survey crew after service we found even simple civilian clothes that were not actually brightend to show up made our crews hard to spot in woods to take Theodolite shots.
I wore OD too during my Army days. I added soup stains to it, from handing out soup to the rest of the platoon from my truck.
In the 80s in the Philippines, we were issued dark green ramie uniforms and were too dark. zUS cotton and cotton poly ods were bought from surplus shops to replce those. Trropical ods were a heavensent item but were expensive. BDUs in woodland were also cool back then, and were used widelyby those who could afford them. Today, wqe are lucky to have a dirth of good camo patterns. Great work, Brent.
Thanks bud. Appreciate the input.
Sure thing, Brent. Keep up your enjoyable work. I saw the German show on you and was quite surprised at how much I comprehended. I guess my high school German paid off.
Not dissing on OD but with the exception of two scenarios (@ approximately 4:30 & 5:30) I found it relatively easy to quickly pick you out.
However real life scenarios out in the field might differ.
Like the Wehrmacht's Feldgrau the Vietnam era and later OD Green works better with a background of tree trunks and dirt embankments than in the more yellowy green of grass and leaves.
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The Autrian army uses OD, but then Austria's vegetation enviroment is a lot darker, and the greens are not as bright. Plus their army looks to be happy to continue using OD.
great video some spots u really blended in when the sun put foliage shadows on the uniform. In the shade kind of a blob when i spotted u
OD green/ranger green is one of those magical colors that takes on the colors around it. At a distance it comes off as gray like desaturated tree trunks.
Nice video. I think the clothes should be covered with mud to give them best effectiveness. It's very hard to find you in other videos, but in this, I can almost spot your location immediately. I love your "tiger stripe" video (specially the Vietnam tiger stripe). Thank you!
I had never realized how much o.d silhouetted you,had to use these from time to time. wow
Effective in the dark areas, not so much in the sun light. I like OD myself but I like Coyote Tan too. Maybe a mix and match might work some. Thanks for the video!
For a uniform that served from 1892-1983 for several country's like Russia, England, Australia, Canada, Poland, Finland, Czechlosovakia, United States of America, England , Mexico. Serbia, Austria, South Africa, Israel. And several other countries I wouldn't kick the Olive Drab uniform. It's still seen in wide spread use all over the world today. Allot of military equipment is painted in Olive Drab all over the world.
Having seen OD, Tiger Stripes (Don't know who made them), Woodland and some British and French camo in the jungle situations I was always surprised at how well the OD fatigues performed. It wasn't the best in all situations but it never jumped out to the eye like the various camo patterns. Tiger stripes are popular but in some situations like broken shadows against a dark background, they popped out visually while standing next to a guy wearing your basic OD.
OD was very popular during the Cold War, from the 50's to the 80's. It was used by NATO forces, both uniforms and vehicle painted OD. The Warsaw Pact used OD primarely for vehicles. The reason why OD was used, in lieu of camouflage pattern was trifold:
1. The NATO Armies were mechanised, meaning that the soldiers were driven to the battlefield in ACP. So it was a movement war, if war should break out. So a camouflage pattern was not needed when on the move, or staying a short while at a location. Then fight the WP and retread to the next defence location. On the move, camouflage does not work.
2. OD is cheap, it takes only 1 dying process. A camo pattern takes 3 to 6 dying processes, depending on th number of colors. The armies were hughes in numbers, so cutting costs of soldiers gears was important.
3. PR was very important. Camo looked too agressive in the eyes of civilians and OD did not so much. This happened mostly during the 70's, when the West Germans fased out their 1950's camouflage uniform for OD/ Stone Grey uniforms.
OD was very effective against star light amplifier night vision devices. The Dutch Army switched from OD to the British DPM camouflage 1993 and it showed in test. The tan colors stood out on the night vision and OD was very hard to spot.
It seems like the US OD is quite different from the Canadian one I have. Yours looks almost like ranger green and ours more like mud. Canadian OD is so effective that it hasn't been fully replaced by CADPAT yet... Very interesting video btw.
+wildcat22399 Thanks bud.
I think it works with the canopy of the forest as the light coming through and the shadows create a moving pattern so it will blend in to an environment but won't fully distort your outline like more dedicated camo uniforms. Plus, OD green just had that classic look to it and is usually a good material. German field OD shirts are real good for keeping you cool in the heat.
i saw ya in every setting ,except what was supposed to happen from 5:24 -to-5:35 in the open field , did you just forget to edit that out or were you there and just messing with us .,,,great video , alot of work goes into making something like this even the editing takes a bit as well so well done ,thank you.and ya got a new sub b/c of it.
You can't beat the old classics..
Hi Brent, I very much like your camo tests and comparisons, however I would like to point out that your title is incorrect. Apologies for nitpicking but what you are in fact wearing is Olive Green (not Olive Drab or OD) specifically OG-107. There is a clear difference as Olive Drab is the colour between Tan and Green, whereas Olive Green is (as the name suggests) more towards the green end. Olive Drab is currently the colour worn by the Israeli Defence Force as their standard service uniforms and you will see it is much more tan than what you are wearing. Hope this clears things up. Please keep the great videos coming.
DareTactical CQB Cool thanks for the info.
My favorite uniform of all time is Vietnam OD utilities. It was decided during Vietnam that ODs would be issued over camo uniforms because in the thick foliage the green provided adequate concealment and movement gave away a soldier's location, not color of his uniform. That's still true.
That first clip shows that even more important is to choose your hiding spot. Even with knowledge of location he simply can't be seen. No need for fancy pattern when enviroment does all the work for you.
But how does it compare to Ranger Green is my question. Still love OD, just like a good wine.
You can't beat just plain od green uniform. It's a very good all around subdued color.
My grandpa was a ranger in Vietnam and I remember hearing something about them using a different type of camouflage
They had a Vietnam style of woodland, which is almost impossible to find now. Look at some old vietnam.pictures online and you might find it
Tiger stripe was also common. But there are two types. One has yellow in it. I prefer the non yellow one.
I heard they used to buy it there
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There we also some Mitchell Pattern jackets they made out of shelter halves.
ERDL camouflage was the Vietnam camo that looked like woodland but with more green and less brown in it.
I use OD green when i play paintball in the woods and it works great. As it fades and then gets dirty, then it really starts to blend in.
Though if od green gets wet it turns dark and then you can see it easily.
The only dead give away that i could notice was the hat shape ( with ghillie net over it you would be Impossible to spot)
Big fan of O.D. green. What do you think of mix and match colors and patterns? Would love to see a video on the effectiveness of mixed solid colors brown, O.D., coyote tan and black as well as mixed camo patterns. As always another well done video D/D.
Where’s you film this and excellent video I originally was building an OD loadout and switched to multicam because I didn’t think it would be that effective but this proves otherwise it’s even effective in dirt great job
I love my ODG but sometimes I’ve found myself even more fond of the Foliage Green or mixing them I feel things really shine
I imagine that as a grunt is out in the field (particularly if its muddy enough) the ODs would 'stain' and develop a 'natural' pattern that would blend well with that particular area.
I don't know why I do, but I have always liked ODG the best. You look like a cool shadow demon or something when you pop up in the distance or walk out of the shadows with the OD on.
OLIVE DRAB -has always been up there with my favourites ! .....but south african NUTRIA would be my favoured all round uniform colour (similar to coyote)
If I didn't know he was there already I probably wouldn't have seen him most times.
One thing to consider: an HD camera or any camera for that matter, doesn't process light or color like the human eye. I have watched the woodland camo video and this one so far and you can clearly see the camera accentuating the light drenched, bright green leaves and foliage. Me personally, I like the tiger stripe, because it breaks up the human form against a background the best IMO. But every environment is different, I surely wouldn't have wanted tiger stripe in Kabul.
OD blended in a lot better than I expected. It took me half the video to predict the spots you were in but to unsuspecting personnel it's just as good as multicam. What do you think would win over all the digital woodland, OD, multicam /scorpion v3?
+Marcus Quiles It just depends on the environment. Some stuff is more effective in the spring and not effective in the fall, and vise versa.
I love OD green. Tested it out at night vs black, tiger stripe, and woodland, and the OD green just "vanished" much closer to me than any of the others.
Pretty effective, in a real scenario, where if I were actually there with no real direction on you're location.
How about WWII movie commando, Black Watch Cap and black Shirt and Pants and Black Face Paint. Was it really used and did work on any level?
just a thought..but as an observation,here is what i notice wring with solid Olive drab. when you look at the surroundings notice the effect of light on foliage. bright vibrant colors,but somewhat broken up by flecks of varying intensity of color. the color of the foliage doesn't change ..its the light source that is on it directly or shaded. if a object is painted in the most intense brightest colors found in a setting,then when it is placed in "the shade " it does the same effect as a plant in direct sunlight as compared with it being placed in the shade. the problem i see is that too much emphasis is placed on darker colors,when nature already changes the lighting and its effects on the object.
OD was designed for all year round use, so bright would work well in spring and summer, but not in fall and winter. So OD was inbetween green and brown, so it worked well in fall and winter too.
Green BDU Top, brown under shirt, and Woodland camo or Brown BDU pants, with black or brown boots would be my go to. And the Camo type hat.
The county Sheriff's Dept. I live in,the deputies wear all OD green uniform compared to other Sheriff's dept. in the rest of the State wear either khaki,tan or brown & green.
Also,the US border patrol wear an all OD green uniform.
Interesting thought...in Nam, some US troops (early SOG/LRRP) actually took OD unis and spray painted black splotches and shadows on them.
You did Flectarn, how about German Army 'feldgrau' (field grey) It's technically grey-green.
In order for OD to be effective you need to use shadows to your advantage
I love my ATACS FG. Works good in my part of Texas.
Hey Brent, I have an idea for a video, sometime this summer you should get a separate set of OD fatigues and spray paint them with black vertical lines just like the SOG teams in Vietnam and then test it. Many former SOG's swear that spray painted OD fatigues were vastly superior to tiger stripe.
+AnthonyFreemont I've seen some pictures of that, however, I'm probably not going to do it brother, I don't want o get your hopes up.
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What about trying to get OD Fatigues somewhat covered in dirt and test that? I would try it but all my Fatigues are original
Maybe you should try the old black pajamas with OD boonie and jungle boots as a comparison. Do a day time and twilight comparison in the vid.
once again you look like you back in nam on a patrole. nice vid ! keep it up bro
Thanks man.
Spotted you most of the time, OD is not as good a disruptive pattern, interesting experiment. we have just been issued with Multicam in place of DPM Combat 95 uniform. seem to work ok so far.
our mag loves olive drab , we use it as our base clothing color
From what I understand, many police organizations are only allowed to use solid colors (OD Green, Ranger Green, Tan, Coyote, or Blue, ETC). Any chance you can mix and match some solid colors, such as OD bdu shirt with coyote tan bdu bottoms? Your videos are very educational, btw, keep it up.
Thanks, I typically don't do that but you can watch some of my OPFOR videos in which I do mix and max some patterns.
Most departments (even rural ones) aren't trained to track criminals in the woods, so camoflauge is a moot point for most. If they do plan to pursue, they bring in specially trained recovery teams who usually are more flexible in their selection but still very strapped for cash.
I like the OD camouflage
Could you test feldgrau(colour of german uniforms before they got camo patterns)?
I don't have any to test at the moment.
Or I could actually recommend basically any camo that Wehrmacht and SS issued. I know that you tested dot44 and Sumpftarnmuster(NVA but it's very similar), but I could recommend Eichentarn, Platanentarn or Palmentarn(I personally use Eichentarn for airsoft and so far it works much better than anything that other players use, I live in Central Europe, and they mostly use some modern patterns, which are ill-suited for this environment(multicam, etc.), or some older patterns(Swiss Leibermuster, Flecktarn, VZ95) which are good enough but still worse than Eichentarn).
Was looking up Ranger green vs Multicam. I feel like green can hold up because some of the shots I didn’t see you at all. Maybe your a master of hiding but I think at least in the prone the solid green colour really kinda shows, and that multicam is better overall, maybe in a darker tint.
Part of my reasoning with ODG is not being able to see the plate carrier and objects your carrying. Plus some clothes are common in solid colours like green.
What OD green top brand are you wearing?
I wear mossy oak in the deer woods and as long as I am not winded the only thing that tips them off is movement. So I think that is huge no matter what you are wearing.
@5:04 I think it blended in best, imo.
OD Green is fairly easy to spot compared to other green colored camos. It doesn't have the dispersion as multi colored camos like Multicam, Marpat, Flecktarn etc. I'm looking to start play airsoft and I have learned that the darker and greener the colors are the better; on the most part. I am thinking of doing a Russian Digital Flora as the main BTU and OD green for the vest.
I actually found some flora material at Walmart and use them for wraps it's very good. The digital disperses colors well. You're pretty lucky to get flora uniform. And if I'm not mistaken you can get different shades of color like German flecktarn
leaddispenser9 Its a russian camo and it doesn't look like flowers or plants; its just called that. Heres some examples: www.sovietarmystuff.com/Category_83_Digital_Flora_Camo.html
Hey brent cool video but can you do a video where you stand in the woods in olive drab and then change and stand in the woods in woodland camo?
Air Handler Sorry brother, that's not my style. I've got videos of both those different patterns in the same exact environment though.
***** Which do you think is better? Does camo actually work better then green or is it just hype? I know the Russians and the Israelis still use green. How come the US started using camo in the first place?
I live in the woods of central Virginia. Its not very heavily forested, and there is a whole lot of brown from tons of leaves on the ground. What would you recommend for this type of environment?
Probably woodland, the older woodland pattern has a good balance of green and brown in it.
I like its solid color.
i like one color utilities. they tend to work better than woodland etc.. this was good. alot of camouflage really has to do with lighting and shadows for instance @ night O.D. Green is excellent. it even works better than all black because of the light reflecting properties. but as a rule of thumb it seems green is a tough pattern to mimic in nature. and our eyes will differentiate shades of green quicker than browns and tans. so like animals who mostly use browns and tans we are better suited for those light earth tones or flat dark earth tones. for blending in to the surrounding.
but iv'e always liked O.D. green its old school and it seems to generally work better than woodland pattern. i joined the Marine corps during the woodland camo era.. in the eighties and i stayed around long enough to transition to the digital uniform. and it's good to see the evolution.
All black is terrible for night.
Silhouettes too much and is useless against active and image intensifier night vision.
All navy blue would be better
Next you should do a camouflage effectiveness video on Ranger Green
Also if you ever get a chance could you give us a demo if EDRL ?
Man I wish, I love the pattern. The only place I can find ERDL though is a website called Moore’s militaria. They sell reproductions but they are very pricy, and If the reproductions are that pricy you can imagine what the originals are going for.
www.mooremilitaria.com/prod02.htm
I got an olive drab tactical vest tge other day and it works great over top of CADPAT, but do u think it would work better if I did your, (camouflage youself, individual gear and equipment) video for it?
@Brent0331 could you do a video on the correct wear of web gear, I can't get mine right when I go prone and get back up the belt has a habit of going up too and then it's just something that annoys me
hey Brent! quick question are that od uniform an original or made by rothco? thinking of picking a pair up
Rothco
thanks
Me and my airsoft team decided on OD because nobody uses it and as you showed in your video it still kick ass!
In the end, yes, maybe i can notice you if i knew that you were in that 720p square but when somebody is patrolling/moving and have to check at least 180° i don't think that it's going to notice you:
I noticed that in movement it actually catches the eye less than a normal camo can you confirm?
kuromatsu01
That is one of the reasons I leave the movement phase in my
videos, so that people can see how the pattern preforms on the move. I don’t
know if it’s better than all camouflage patterns while on the move, but I have
read according to Olive-drab.com that the Marine Corps noticed that OD fatiques
were better than the camouflage uniforms while on the move. “Camo only had the advantage when held still, such
as when used by a sniper placed in a static position.” olive-drab.com/od_soldiers_clothing_combat_ww2_usmc_camo.php
kuromatsu01 This is why I nearly always avoid a pattern. Many don't realize that when you match a camouflage precisely to an environment, you are only getting partial "effectiveness" as you are relying primarily on tricking the eyes ability to see the human silhouette. The viewer actually sees the camouflage pattern (creating an outline, but a non-human one) so when you move, it is equivalent to the observer seeing a tree move. A flat drab color of one of the "holy trinity" (white, green, or tan) with the possibility of slight blending with another shade effectively has no outline, which is what the eye primarily spots as a reference of movement. Of course, no pattern will make you invisible, and background has a big role in this effect, but still, I think that experience has shown flat drab colors to be superior to many patterns.
I need HELP for choosing a color on my 5.11 rush 24 back pack which is better Multi cam or OD green I live on the eastern shore I want something that is gonna be not see able at night and good at blending in. Thanks :) also comes in sandstone
I’ll stick with Multicam. Great demo of the effectiveness! Love the attention to detail!😁
In woodland areas Multicam actually performs worse, its to bright and easily seen.
I actually use a OD green kit for airsoft, and its advantage is that I can keep my pants on when I use public transport to and from the field without getting to many weird looks.
it also is great for just playing CQB, you are not just black, but also it doesnt look weird to run around rooms with some sort of camo.
overall I think everyone should at least own some OD stuff.
Hey Brent, any opinion on Ranger Green? I chose my plate carrier in this color due to the fact that it's not as dark as OD and not as light as say Foliage. Just a very neutral color. Any thoughts about this color?
Sollym4 Sorry brother, I don't have much experience with it and I haven't seen it in the field that much.
I run ranger green when airsofting, it seems to work very well at the wooded field I was at.
do you think od green plate carrier with black mag pouches will work well or should I choose od green with Multicam mag pouches because those are the only two cams patterns they offer for this specific mag pouch this I need?
Thanks
I live in Missouri and I don't know what camo patterns would be the best. I'm colorblind so I simply don't know if it's me or the patterns that make it so hard to see. I'd like some suggestions
Can't go wrong with old school woodland. Its cheap, battle tested and readily available.
Hey Brent what is your personal favourite camo for forested areas
Tiger Stripe is my all time favorite, Its very effective in heavily vegetated areas and looks very intimidating.
Oh, also can you test the South African Defense Forces plain brown camo?
hmmm. cyotte tan or brown seems a bit better here than the OD green, the color is slightly too dark for these woods, but better i suppose in the fall and winter.
I was able to see you pretty quickly most of the time, but it took longer the further away you set up the camera. That’s the important thing to note: at close distance, anyone can spot someone no matter what camouflage they are using, save for a ghillie suit because that has actual foliage attached to it. The human shape will pop out whether you are using OD, Woodland, Multicam, etc at close distance, but by the time you get that close to them, it’s too late anyways.
Not to mention of course your camera has a rather focused field of view which also makes spotting you easier than if we were walking in the woods with the whole panorama of nature surrounding us, plus there's also the way the human brain works. Soldiers out on a patrol are trained to assume there's enemy out there and to be actively looking for them sure, but your ability to spot someone still won't be as sharp as it is when you know for a fact that there is someone there.