The Logos Complete (or International) Study Bible is often available for purchase at Amazon and eBay. This Wikipedia article supplies added background information: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos_International_Study_Bible .
Quite amazingly I found a copy on eBay just 2 days ago after searching without success. $80 -- good price I think. I am curious if you are affiliated with a particular Christian denomination. My own background is that I was raised Catholic and served as a Catholic priest for 30 years before leaving that life to be open to marriage. I am now married by the grace of God. I am quite drawn to the Reformed tradition and have read Barth the last few years. My wife and I are exploring Protestant churches. Today we will attend services at an Orthodox Presbyterian Church.
@@RGrantJones Thanks for the swift response, There're a few orthodox bibles,which of the orthodox study bible would you recommend? Also! Is there a septuagint study bible that has old and new testament?
@@likkageman7 - the only one I know of is called The Orthodox Study Bible. Nelson prints it ( churchsource.com/products/orthodox-study-bible-ancient-christianity-speaks-to-todays-world?variant=14942189125701 ) and there's an edition available from the Ancient Faith Store ( store.ancientfaith.com/orthodox-study-bible/ ).
I got this 1972 ASV Bible as a Christmas gift and was having a hard time properly using it. THANK YOU!!!!! This is by far my favorite translation to read and now, thanks to this video, I can study even deeper!!
This is one of the best, most comprehensive Bible reviews I've seen. As I'm looking at getting a Bible, this is the type of detail. I look for. Well done!!
@@RGrantJones Yes, same here. I'm detail-oriented as well, but hate to research something, get it, and then realize, this issue really could have been covered in a review to help make a more intelligent buying decision.
@@RGrantJones on this review, you had a chart with Bible versions, from most literal to the other end of the spectrum. Is an update on that available on another video? Also, are you familiar with Michael Marlowe's site, Bible Researcher? From your chart on versions in this video, you and he are the only ones I've found so far who rate the NKJV as the most literal, even beyond the NASB, though the NASB makes that claim about itself.
@@Balddad3boys - I posted a copy of the translation continuum chart to the "Community" tab on this channel. You can copy it and share it freely, preferably without altering it. Regarding whether the NASB or NKJV is more literal, it depends on how we measure "literalness". I count what I call "liberties" and score them all equally. So omitting a conjunction or a 'therefore' on the one hand, and translating a present tense as a past tense on the other, count equally with me. The NASB probably is the most diligent in indicating in English when the Greek is in the imperfect tense, so I suppose one could weight the scores in such a way that the NASB comes out as most literal because of that fact. But I see no reason to adjust the weightings. I like the NASB, but if it were *my* translation and I wanted it to be regarded as the most literal, I would move most of the literal readings from the margin into the text.
Was gifted this in the mid 70s. Eventually learned to love the text and Var. readings but also to mostly ignore the Holy Spirit Commentary. The binding was poor and did not hold up well, so, when I heard it was going out of print I bought another copy and immediately had it rebound. I have almost every translation extant (and some not so extant) along with most of the major Study Bibles along with the Greek and Hebrew texts. The ASB is still my starting point text.
Interesting bible. For me, the outer column reference format in any bible is the cat's meow. Thank you for the time you put into these presentations. 👍
an excellent review, as always :) ... this Bible edition is unique and rare and has some helpful features in addition to the standard features of the ASV1901 with its two column text and outer margins containing the ASV marginal notes and cross-references ... it is hard to find, esp. the Logos *complete* Study Bible, but i found a used book copy of the "Logos Study NT ASV", publ. and copr. 1972, in imitation leather, but this particular (NT only) edition did not include *any* prefatory materials, it goes right to the title page and then starts at Matthew... so i had to print out all that from "The Cross-Reference Bible" of 1910 (pdf) and i made a small stapled-together "pamphlet" out of it :) ... but it contains Index, the commentary on the Holy Spirit and a concordance, but no maps... as was indicated in the video, the "variorum readings" section at the foot of the pages does not have *all* variant readings one would look for, ... but i was expecting to find the major ones and those involving as much as half a verse.... while there are *included* many variants involving just a single word, even many that are already shown in the ASV1901 margin (the side-margins), one *major* variant in Romans, ch.11 v.6, involving half the verse, was *not* included, which i found disappointing... since that variant is not already found mentioned in the ASV1901 margin, i had expected to find such an important one in the footnotes here... this discovery did somewhat detract from the general *value* of the "variorum readings" part of this resource which seems to be fairly extensive in its other parts... i had expected, since the ASV1901 does not include this variant in its margin, that the editors of the Cross-Reference Bible of 1910 would have made such cases as this a priority in the apparatus, but they didn't, obviously... for the reading is not a TR reading with poor MSS evidence, it is a Byzantine reading, found also in a couple of early uncials and other witnesses .... what *other* variants are not even mentioned in the footnotes in this edition...? that can be checked out with a little work, of course... but i think that an edition which focuses on variant readings in its sub-title, should have a little more "full" notation of variants, at the least those that involve a portion of text amounting to half a verse,... so one should at least not trust this resource too much when it comes to where there are variants in the NT text (and always of course check the Nestle-Aland apparatus, for a more full and reliable resource of variant readings)... but it would be interesting to see what a more comprehensive inspection of the "variorum readings" section can reveal... when it comes to the "variorum" *renderings* , these are selective, of course, but *that* is expected... the *sources* for the various renderings listed with abbreviations in the footnotes, many of them i think is available at archive.org, such as Lunemann (in Meyer's), DeWette, Alford, etc., most of which are Critical and Exegetical commentaries on the NT and other Biblical resources of the 19th century... i think many of them also are not readily available, so this is a valuable feature in the Cross-Ref./Logos study Bible, where they have gathered a large amount of notes from various interesting sources...
I love these older study bibles and this one looks a lot like the Naves KJV Study Bible....The font from what I can tell is almost identical to the Turquoise just isn't as bold. I have come to appreciate this font and the Naves bible itself, it can be a bit overwhelming cause of the paragraphs of little references but its actually a great reader overall. This is a very nice bible and unique, thanks for the look brother.
Thanks for the comment, Brother Airik1111. I like the font in the Logos Study Bible, but I wish they'd been more generous with the ink. (The line spacing and column width are excellent.) I had another opportunity to acquire a Turquoise recently, but turned it down. Still holding out for that black ink only edition. Looking forward to your next video. I may be able to post one on the old _Spirit of the Reformation Study Bible_ this weekend (if not, likely next weekend). It will be the first NIV I've reviewed, as far as I can remember. Glued binding and paste-down liner, but decent, relatively flexible (supposedly) top-grain cover.
Neither had I, but I saw one described somewhere on line, and I was interested because I had been so disappointed in the typefaces in the other ASVs I'd seen. I really like this one.
Hello, Dr. Jones. Do you happen to know what the textual basis was for the ASV? I know that it was born out of the same purpose as the British RV, and from reading footnotes on variants in the ASV copy I own it seems that it consulted Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, but was curious if you were aware of its more complete textual basis. Thank you for all your content and informed reviews, sir.
Yes, Schaff discusses that topic briefly on pages 278 and 279 in this book: archive.org/details/companiontogreek00scha/page/278 . The RV and the ASV rely heavily on Westcott and Hort, which in turn generally prefer Vaticanus and Sinaiticus when they agree. Schaff's book contains much useful background material. Thanks for the encouragement!
You have got to be nearby. I can hear the wind in the background. We are under heavy winds in Buffalo, N.Y. Nice Bible brother. Thanks for the review. Stay safe and warm.
@@robcimarolli4510 There was much damage in Buffalo NY. We have a heavily wooded city, so you can imagine the trees that were toppled. Lots of roofing jobs. Wish I was still in business. Have a blessed day brother.
Pastor Brett - sorry for the delay in responding. I think sometimes TH-cam fails to notify me of comments or it buries them after comments I've already responded to. At any rate, I just saw this one. I think I'm a few states south of you, in the mid-Atlantic region. I don't remember what the weather was like when I recorded this video, but based on the other comments, it sounds like we had high winds over half the continent! Thanks for the view and comment!
thank you very much for yet another excellent review video... i did a search and found that this study Bible is rather hard to find... do you have a suggestion re. from where i can obtain a copy of this...?
@@RGrantJones I wish they would publish an update of that Bible - its one of my favorite Bibles. I often wonder ~ if the world should ever band anything "Christian" on the I-net...paper Bibles like this would become priceless.... Fortunately as of now - we are blessed with so many resources to access...
on Amazon, i found a copy priced 199 usd... a little too pricy... but it may be worth it though, ... this seems like a very interesting edition, the modern study bibles are just plain "fluff" in comparison, regrettably.... :)
I tend to pick up vintage editions of the A.S.V. when I come across them in my used book shopping. I have several. There were a few really good commentaries on the R.V. or its transatlantic sister version, the A.S.V. Although I don't use these related versions much anymore, they have some use. I don't trust the A.S.V.'s slavishness to the "Alexandrian Text", so-called. The R.V., especially, and the A.S.V. are venerable and had high aims, though.
Thanks for the question, Luke! Nineteenth century scholars thought YHWH should be pronounced 'Jehovah.' But 'Jehovah' has fallen out of favor, and 'Yahweh' is preferred.
@@RGrantJones Thank you for replying so quickly. The name Jehovah is used in the 17th century KJV and in the 1599 Geneva Bible. I don't know how far back the pronunciation goes but most people equate the name to God. Yahweh may be more correct as Yahshua is more correct than Jesus but most translations use the name Jesus. Therefore I don't see how using the name most people recognize as the name of God a mistake.
It was raining, and one of the neighbors has a truck that sounds as if it has a gas turbine engine. I'll have to listen again to see if I can pin it down.
Whew! Thanks for your patience with this tome. The whole thing looks like it is overcooked, overdone, futile (mostly), uselessly pedantic, and hideously complex. Not much use for laymen, here! A decent study Bible from the past based on the R.V. or A.S.V. might hold some interest, but this old crop-duster looks rather worthless.
The Logos Complete (or International) Study Bible is often available for purchase at Amazon and eBay. This Wikipedia article supplies added background information: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos_International_Study_Bible .
Quite amazingly I found a copy on eBay just 2 days ago after searching without success. $80 -- good price I think. I am curious if you are affiliated with a particular Christian denomination. My own background is that I was raised Catholic and served as a Catholic priest for 30 years before leaving that life to be open to marriage. I am now married by the grace of God. I am quite drawn to the Reformed tradition and have read Barth the last few years. My wife and I are exploring Protestant churches. Today we will attend services at an Orthodox Presbyterian Church.
Is there a study bible that you could referred for myself that is accurate as the septuagint and also has all their books, such as maccabee ect.
@@likkageman7 - the only study Bible with an Old Testament based on the Septuagint I can think of is the Orthodox Study Bible.
@@RGrantJones Thanks for the swift response,
There're a few orthodox bibles,which of the orthodox study bible would you recommend?
Also! Is there a septuagint study bible that has old and new testament?
@@likkageman7 - the only one I know of is called The Orthodox Study Bible. Nelson prints it ( churchsource.com/products/orthodox-study-bible-ancient-christianity-speaks-to-todays-world?variant=14942189125701 )
and there's an edition available from the Ancient Faith Store ( store.ancientfaith.com/orthodox-study-bible/ ).
I got this 1972 ASV Bible as a Christmas gift and was having a hard time properly using it. THANK YOU!!!!! This is by far my favorite translation to read and now, thanks to this video, I can study even deeper!!
This is one of the best, most comprehensive Bible reviews I've seen. As I'm looking at getting a Bible, this is the type of detail. I look for. Well done!!
Thanks for that comment! I try to present the level of detail I'd like to see in a review, and I'm fairly detail-oriented.
@@RGrantJones Yes, same here. I'm detail-oriented as well, but hate to research something, get it, and then realize, this issue really could have been covered in a review to help make a more intelligent buying decision.
@@RGrantJones on this review, you had a chart with Bible versions, from most literal to the other end of the spectrum. Is an update on that available on another video? Also, are you familiar with Michael Marlowe's site, Bible Researcher? From your chart on versions in this video, you and he are the only ones I've found so far who rate the NKJV as the most literal, even beyond the NASB, though the NASB makes that claim about itself.
@@Balddad3boys - I posted a copy of the translation continuum chart to the "Community" tab on this channel. You can copy it and share it freely, preferably without altering it. Regarding whether the NASB or NKJV is more literal, it depends on how we measure "literalness". I count what I call "liberties" and score them all equally. So omitting a conjunction or a 'therefore' on the one hand, and translating a present tense as a past tense on the other, count equally with me. The NASB probably is the most diligent in indicating in English when the Greek is in the imperfect tense, so I suppose one could weight the scores in such a way that the NASB comes out as most literal because of that fact. But I see no reason to adjust the weightings. I like the NASB, but if it were *my* translation and I wanted it to be regarded as the most literal, I would move most of the literal readings from the margin into the text.
Was gifted this in the mid 70s. Eventually learned to love the text and Var. readings but also to mostly ignore the Holy Spirit Commentary. The binding was poor and did not hold up well, so, when I heard it was going out of print I bought another copy and immediately had it rebound. I have almost every translation extant (and some not so extant) along with most of the major Study Bibles along with the Greek and Hebrew texts. The ASB is still my starting point text.
Interesting bible. For me, the outer column reference format in any bible is the cat's meow. Thank you for the time you put into these presentations. 👍
Thanks for the encouraging comment! I favor that format too.
an excellent review, as always :) ... this Bible edition is unique and rare and has some helpful features in addition to the standard features of the ASV1901 with its two column text and outer margins containing the ASV marginal notes and cross-references ... it is hard to find, esp. the Logos *complete* Study Bible, but i found a used book copy of the "Logos Study NT ASV", publ. and copr. 1972, in imitation leather, but this particular (NT only) edition did not include *any* prefatory materials, it goes right to the title page and then starts at Matthew... so i had to print out all that from "The Cross-Reference Bible" of 1910 (pdf) and i made a small stapled-together "pamphlet" out of it :) ... but it contains Index, the commentary on the Holy Spirit and a concordance, but no maps... as was indicated in the video, the "variorum readings" section at the foot of the pages does not have *all* variant readings one would look for, ... but i was expecting to find the major ones and those involving as much as half a verse.... while there are *included* many variants involving just a single word, even many that are already shown in the ASV1901 margin (the side-margins), one *major* variant in Romans, ch.11 v.6, involving half the verse, was *not* included, which i found disappointing... since that variant is not already found mentioned in the ASV1901 margin, i had expected to find such an important one in the footnotes here... this discovery did somewhat detract from the general *value* of the "variorum readings" part of this resource which seems to be fairly extensive in its other parts... i had expected, since the ASV1901 does not include this variant in its margin, that the editors of the Cross-Reference Bible of 1910 would have made such cases as this a priority in the apparatus, but they didn't, obviously... for the reading is not a TR reading with poor MSS evidence, it is a Byzantine reading, found also in a couple of early uncials and other witnesses .... what *other* variants are not even mentioned in the footnotes in this edition...? that can be checked out with a little work, of course... but i think that an edition which focuses on variant readings in its sub-title, should have a little more "full" notation of variants, at the least those that involve a portion of text amounting to half a verse,... so one should at least not trust this resource too much when it comes to where there are variants in the NT text (and always of course check the Nestle-Aland apparatus, for a more full and reliable resource of variant readings)... but it would be interesting to see what a more comprehensive inspection of the "variorum readings" section can reveal... when it comes to the "variorum" *renderings* , these are selective, of course, but *that* is expected... the *sources* for the various renderings listed with abbreviations in the footnotes, many of them i think is available at archive.org, such as Lunemann (in Meyer's), DeWette, Alford, etc., most of which are Critical and Exegetical commentaries on the NT and other Biblical resources of the 19th century... i think many of them also are not readily available, so this is a valuable feature in the Cross-Ref./Logos study Bible, where they have gathered a large amount of notes from various interesting sources...
Love the ASV, Great review. AGAIN!!!!
Never heard of it, so thanks for sharing! God bless
I love these older study bibles and this one looks a lot like the Naves KJV Study Bible....The font from what I can tell is almost identical to the Turquoise just isn't as bold. I have come to appreciate this font and the Naves bible itself, it can be a bit overwhelming cause of the paragraphs of little references but its actually a great reader overall.
This is a very nice bible and unique, thanks for the look brother.
Thanks for the comment, Brother Airik1111. I like the font in the Logos Study Bible, but I wish they'd been more generous with the ink. (The line spacing and column width are excellent.)
I had another opportunity to acquire a Turquoise recently, but turned it down. Still holding out for that black ink only edition.
Looking forward to your next video. I may be able to post one on the old _Spirit of the Reformation Study Bible_ this weekend (if not, likely next weekend). It will be the first NIV I've reviewed, as far as I can remember. Glued binding and paste-down liner, but decent, relatively flexible (supposedly) top-grain cover.
I found one at the goodwill I am enjoying it and it was only a few dollars 😍
That's wonderful! I've found some real bargains in used book stores.
wow I have never seen one of those study bibles, thanks for sharing.
Neither had I, but I saw one described somewhere on line, and I was interested because I had been so disappointed in the typefaces in the other ASVs I'd seen. I really like this one.
Hello, Dr. Jones.
Do you happen to know what the textual basis was for the ASV? I know that it was born out of the same purpose as the British RV, and from reading footnotes on variants in the ASV copy I own it seems that it consulted Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, but was curious if you were aware of its more complete textual basis.
Thank you for all your content and informed reviews, sir.
Yes, Schaff discusses that topic briefly on pages 278 and 279 in this book: archive.org/details/companiontogreek00scha/page/278 . The RV and the ASV rely heavily on Westcott and Hort, which in turn generally prefer Vaticanus and Sinaiticus when they agree. Schaff's book contains much useful background material. Thanks for the encouragement!
You have got to be nearby. I can hear the wind in the background. We are under heavy winds in Buffalo, N.Y. Nice Bible brother. Thanks for the review. Stay safe and warm.
@The Pilgrim
Stay safe my brother. I enjoy your videos.
@@Pastor-Brettbyfaith I'm in Illinois and that wind was crazy. It was blowing people's gas grills over
@@robcimarolli4510
There was much damage in Buffalo NY. We have a heavily wooded city, so you can imagine the trees that were toppled. Lots of roofing jobs. Wish I was still in business. Have a blessed day brother.
Pastor Brett - sorry for the delay in responding. I think sometimes TH-cam fails to notify me of comments or it buries them after comments I've already responded to. At any rate, I just saw this one. I think I'm a few states south of you, in the mid-Atlantic region. I don't remember what the weather was like when I recorded this video, but based on the other comments, it sounds like we had high winds over half the continent! Thanks for the view and comment!
Very detailed, very helpful to me as I just noticed this bible on eBay, but also I want to know who wrote the notes. Is it Jehovah witness?
No, they aren't Jehovah's Witnesses. I gave some background on the contributors starting at about the 18:20 point. Thanks for commenting!
thank you very much for yet another excellent review video... i did a search and found that this study Bible is rather hard to find... do you have a suggestion re. from where i can obtain a copy of this...?
I recommend you keep your eyes on eBay. You shouldn't have to pay much more than $50 for a decent copy, but it may take some patience.
Have you got any ASV's for sale?
No, sorry. I see them for sale from time to time on eBay. And Prolific Industries sells the edition I reviewed recently. Thanks for the question!
that is quite the glaring editorial mistake . .
Is the Logos Complete Study Bible Smyth sewn?
Yes.
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I can see them. Thanks for commenting, Gypsy. I'm about to view your latest video!
Did you forget the Layman's Commentary on the Holy Spirit in the back of that Bible?
Didn't I mention it?
@@RGrantJones I didn't see it...
@@dayetonlarson8477 - I just looked. It turns out that I mentioned it at the 11:35 point.
@@RGrantJones I wish they would publish an update of that Bible - its one of my favorite Bibles. I often wonder ~ if the world should ever band anything "Christian" on the I-net...paper Bibles like this would become priceless.... Fortunately as of now - we are blessed with so many resources to access...
@@dayetonlarson8477 - I'm concerned about that scenario too -- banning anything Christian in the internet. It's not outside the realm of possibility.
on Amazon, i found a copy priced 199 usd... a little too pricy... but it may be worth it though, ... this seems like a very interesting edition, the modern study bibles are just plain "fluff" in comparison, regrettably.... :)
I saw a hardback copy on Amazon for about $55 last summer. If you're patient, something might come up.
So its an asv?
Yes.
I tend to pick up vintage editions of the A.S.V. when I come across them in my used book shopping. I have several. There were a few really good commentaries on the R.V. or its transatlantic sister version, the A.S.V. Although I don't use these related versions much anymore, they have some use. I don't trust the A.S.V.'s slavishness to the "Alexandrian Text", so-called. The R.V., especially, and the A.S.V. are venerable and had high aims, though.
...none of the maps go in the gutter...
Turns page and the maps are in the gutter lol!🤦♂️
Great review as always though! 👍🙏
Why was using the name Jehovah a mistake? Is it because of the Jehovah's Witnesses?
Thanks for the question, Luke! Nineteenth century scholars thought YHWH should be pronounced 'Jehovah.' But 'Jehovah' has fallen out of favor, and 'Yahweh' is preferred.
@@RGrantJones Thank you for replying so quickly. The name Jehovah is used in the 17th century KJV and in the 1599 Geneva Bible. I don't know how far back the pronunciation goes but most people equate the name to God. Yahweh may be more correct as Yahshua is more correct than Jesus but most translations use the name Jesus. Therefore I don't see how using the name most people recognize as the name of God a mistake.
The sound editing cutting on and off is really annoying! It messes with the cadence of your calming voice🤔😀
Thanks for letting me know.
A lot of weird background sound. Sounds like the zombie apocalypse is happening outside your house.
It was raining, and one of the neighbors has a truck that sounds as if it has a gas turbine engine. I'll have to listen again to see if I can pin it down.
Whew! Thanks for your patience with this tome. The whole thing looks like it is overcooked, overdone, futile (mostly), uselessly pedantic, and hideously complex. Not much use for laymen, here! A decent study Bible from the past based on the R.V. or A.S.V. might hold some interest, but this old crop-duster looks rather worthless.
I haven't found another ASV that can match it for readability, because of its relatively large font and generous line spacing.