+Kamur Sugach Would be cool in terms of being able to see the straight line speed of a modern prototype, but the chicanes are there to reduce engine wear. That, and well the prototypes being designed for the old Le Mans without the chicanes were becoming so fast it was downright dangerous.
"chicanes are there to reduce engine wear" The technology is developing much faster if they give a hard mission to the engineers. "downright dangerous" That's IOM TT.
And on your average track, anything vaguely like a sports car with that kind of power would probably match a 936 as well - probably not at the classic Le Mans though.
***** nothing made in the past two decades would be anything like the experience of a car like this though. Do a lap at this pace in a 458 ferrari and most people who like motorsport will have a big grin. In this car only a few people would be able to walk in a straight line afterwards. I have had a passenger ride in a group 5 twin turbo lancia stratos round snetterton, that wasn't the fastest car there that day but was the most exciting, by far. 560 ish bhp in a car weighing less than 800 kg with no abs, traction control, or anything, steel brakes, plenty of magnesium (so flammable it will burn underwater). Designed on paper makes fast cars a lot more exciting. Cars need enough power to overcome the traction to be exiting, the problem modern race cars suffer from. Bring back the need for "controlling the loss of control"
Antony Collingwood Absolutely, there's no question about that. Don't think bringing back the lethality of those cars is a good idea though; sure, bring back more challenging cars (F1 has done that to some degree, with the turbo cars), but not ones that burn that easily.
Barnacules Nerdgasm False statement. This is NOT Formula1 of long ago. This is Le Mans, a 24 hour race in which you need a dependable car that won't break and will give you great fuel economy over a day. The new Nissan Le Mans car for this year? 500 total fuel engine plus a non-fuel fly wheel. These cars are usually run only to 5500 rpm at Le Mans. A Formula1 car could never run 24 hours, it would break after only a few...
The original 3.7 mile Mulsanne straight allowed even the fastest cars to reach full top speed for more than a minute. Top speeds during the race in the late 1970/80s were usually between 220-235mph. In 1988 the French Welter Racing Team built a special "low-drag" WM-Peugeot P88 with a 1.9 liter twin-turbocharged engine. With Roger Dorchy behind the wheel and the turbo boost cranked up to "grenade levels" the car sailed through the speed trap at @ 404kph or 251mph.....the fastest speed ever!
Lol, must have been a Porsche track day event when this onboard was shot. Camera is mounted on a Porsche, and every car he passed on the lap was a Porsche.
Great video! I just can't imagine driving the Mulsanne Straight at night back then. Trees so, so close. Out driving your headlights constantly by a long way.
Wow! I'm born seven years later, what a pitty!! Actually I'd prefer to have died back then on such a beautiful racetrack in a big accident and one could have said, that once I have tried to drive such monsters to the max, than to know I will never have the chance to drive such a car on just that particular racetrack like it was back then. Nowadays it becomes too synthetic and all is about safety and traction control etc. If racedrivers can't train themselves to be unbeatable car drivers, then no one can anymore and again mankind becomes a bit more sissier! ;P
Superb in car view, but the video info is wrong, this is chassis #001 and NOT the same car that won Le Mans in 1976. That year it was campaigned by Joest/Barth (No. 18), had problems, and placed 33rd. The common factor in both '76 and '77 is that Jacky Ickx drove winners in both years, the last one by sheer chance. In this race his original car No. 3, chassis #002, (No. 20 -Le Mans winner 1976) broke down after 45 laps, his co-driver Henri Pescarolo called it a day, and Ickx hitched a lift in this Barth/Haywood car, No. 4 - to win Le Mans 1977.
The 917s that won in '70 and '71 were not LHs, but 917K, chassis numbers 019, 020, and 023. The original 917LH was so unstable at speed that they were almost shelved early in the 1969 season, since the 908 was faster and more stable at speed. The development of the -K in time for the 1970 season changed the 917 from an almost uncontrollable monster, that killed the first driver to try to race it (John Wolfe at the Maison Blanc, le Mans, 1969) to an unbeatable classic.
@680540 Actually those were the Porsche 917 LH (LangHeck) in 1970 and 1971. The Porsche 917 had a 5 litre flat 12 developing around 650hp. The Porsche 936 ( raced in 1976-1977) never reached neither the top speed nor the distance record of the 1971 917's. As a matter of fact the all time 24 hour distance record from 1971 wasn't beaten until 2010!! Porsche 936 used a 2,1 litre flat 6 with turbo.
ouaou......le mans en 77!!!! n'est plus vraiment le même qu'aujourd'hui ,surtout après le pneu dunlop,la chicane a été complètement modifier depuis,de même pour le tertre rouge,et bien sur les chicanes dans la ligne droite de la hunaudiere.bref le circuit a été profondément modifier,ce qui n'est pas un mal pour la sécuritée.....super video en tout cas!!!
If F1 fans are bitching about the "too long" straight at Baku (1.3 miles) then what would they think about the 3.5 mile long Mulsanne Straight in the F1 calendar??? XD
According to topspeed,com the 936 in 81' maxed at a real approximate (meaning actual track figures, but I'm not sure if they're correct) 250mph. Cut back four years and it's probably around 245, 246, maybe the same. The Mulsanne straight is long enough for pretty much any car to reach at least 95% top speed, so you can bet it was at least 235mph, possibly 240, maybe 245. Fast as fuck, either way.
I've heard the old straight was altered because it pushed cars beyond their reasonably safe limits. Tires tended to explode at that speed. Not sure though. I'm sure the info is out there and that they didn't remove the legendary straight for dumb corporate reasons.
@Jacklewisbarclay that is what i was wondering ? I think cause it is a qualifying run, hence it is the qualifying run for just the Porches ?! Wild guess
Le Mans track was modified in 1990. "Les Hunaudières" was cut by 2 in-and-out, because speed was too important. That s one point explaining why some records last so long.
We need cars like these in LeMans these days. I don't give a shit about the Audi R10 or Peugeot 908. Not even the new Nissan or Toyota. I want these Group C cars back
oh yeah, and this one. www.google.co.uk/search?q=lancia+le+mans&safe=off&biw=1024&bih=639&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjziqPYg_bPAhVMD8AKHaaBBkkQ_AUIBigB#safe=off&tbm=isch&q=lancia+lc1&imgrc=wL0AxvED8JDA6M%3A
It's amazing to see the 936 blow past those two hard-driving, race prepared 911 GTs on the straight like they were parallel parking.
The straight line was so long!!!
so much better without the dunlop chicane
The Dunlop chicane is a joke.
Those bugs died a glorious death.
+FosterZygote Hahahaha!
FosterZygote They died a glorious death for the honor of Stuttgart.
Any life doesn't deserve the death.anybody can't take life. Among others stupid people with stupid cars.
@@wolfliou3678 are u seriously saying that we should feel bad for the bugs??
@@o.a.m9515 yes of course it is much more important.a tragedy
We need the old Mulsanne without chicanes!
+Kamur Sugach Would be cool in terms of being able to see the straight line speed of a modern prototype, but the chicanes are there to reduce engine wear. That, and well the prototypes being designed for the old Le Mans without the chicanes were becoming so fast it was downright dangerous.
"chicanes are there to reduce engine wear" The technology is developing much faster if they give a hard mission to the engineers. "downright dangerous" That's IOM TT.
I think it was an engineer from Porsche, he said that the actual cars wouldn't be much faster on the Mulsanne without chicanes.
Still the most awesome LeMans onboard, ever.
EVER......................
And now anyone can go buy a 500+ HP car at just about any dealership and slap a Go-Pro on it. Things have come a long way since the 70's :D
And on your average track, anything vaguely like a sports car with that kind of power would probably match a 936 as well - probably not at the classic Le Mans though.
***** nothing made in the past two decades would be anything like the experience of a car like this though. Do a lap at this pace in a 458 ferrari and most people who like motorsport will have a big grin. In this car only a few people would be able to walk in a straight line afterwards. I have had a passenger ride in a group 5 twin turbo lancia stratos round snetterton, that wasn't the fastest car there that day but was the most exciting, by far. 560 ish bhp in a car weighing less than 800 kg with no abs, traction control, or anything, steel brakes, plenty of magnesium (so flammable it will burn underwater). Designed on paper makes fast cars a lot more exciting. Cars need enough power to overcome the traction to be exiting, the problem modern race cars suffer from. Bring back the need for "controlling the loss of control"
Antony Collingwood Absolutely, there's no question about that. Don't think bringing back the lethality of those cars is a good idea though; sure, bring back more challenging cars (F1 has done that to some degree, with the turbo cars), but not ones that burn that easily.
drive my dyane at 100 km/h is like drive a 300 km with a modern ferrari. yes
Barnacules Nerdgasm False statement. This is NOT Formula1 of long ago. This is Le Mans, a 24 hour race in which you need a dependable car that won't break and will give you great fuel economy over a day. The new Nissan Le Mans car for this year? 500 total fuel engine plus a non-fuel fly wheel. These cars are usually run only to 5500 rpm at Le Mans. A Formula1 car could never run 24 hours, it would break after only a few...
Very nice, thank you. Great in car camera work. Those were the days......!
Open cockpit at 210+ mph....like a boss (the 936 hit something like 214mph in qualifying in '79)
The original 3.7 mile Mulsanne straight allowed even the fastest cars to reach full top speed for more than a minute. Top speeds during the race in the late 1970/80s were usually between 220-235mph. In 1988 the French Welter Racing Team built a special "low-drag" WM-Peugeot P88 with a 1.9 liter twin-turbocharged engine. With Roger Dorchy behind the wheel and the turbo boost cranked up to "grenade levels" the car sailed through the speed trap at @ 404kph or 251mph.....the fastest speed ever!
Great video, Thanks. I would love to see the 917 longtail do a hot lap on the old (real) track.
Thank you for posting this video. One of my current favourites. :)
bigre!!!!!le circuit a bien changer depuis!!
Lol, must have been a Porsche track day event when this onboard was shot. Camera is mounted on a Porsche, and every car he passed on the lap was a Porsche.
Le Mans back in the 70s and 80s had many many many Porsche entrants
Treetop64
It shows how slow most Porsches really are!
Great video! I just can't imagine driving the Mulsanne Straight at night back then. Trees so, so close. Out driving your headlights constantly by a long way.
amazing era of motorsport.. great track with a fantastic history :)
This sound is better then ANY music ever heard by my ears my God so cool
Amazing footage! Thank you for the upload. :thumbs up:
Super driver Jurgen Barth
that Martini livery 😍😍😍
Great VID
Porsche, best car on Planet Earth !!!! Period
i very like that 3.1 mile 300km/h+
Epiiiiic
because they're great cars.
Jurgen Barth..Great years
Wow! I'm born seven years later, what a pitty!! Actually I'd prefer to have died back then on such a beautiful racetrack in a big accident and one could have said, that once I have tried to drive such monsters to the max, than to know I will never have the chance to drive such a car on just that particular racetrack like it was back then. Nowadays it becomes too synthetic and all is about safety and traction control etc. If racedrivers can't train themselves to be unbeatable car drivers, then no one can anymore and again mankind becomes a bit more sissier! ;P
stocklausen haha it's as simple as turning the traction control off, there
Superb in car view, but the video info is wrong, this is chassis #001 and NOT the same car that won Le Mans in 1976. That year it was campaigned by Joest/Barth (No. 18), had problems, and placed 33rd. The common factor in both '76 and '77 is that Jacky Ickx drove winners in both years, the last one by sheer chance. In this race his original car No. 3, chassis #002, (No. 20 -Le Mans winner 1976) broke down after 45 laps, his co-driver Henri Pescarolo called it a day, and Ickx hitched a lift in this Barth/Haywood car, No. 4 - to win Le Mans 1977.
+Pulsonar correct mate nobody remember who cam second that year though. I think is was Vern Schuppan -Jean Peirre Jarier
What's adorable is how slow it is compared to today's cars.
GoPro of the era!
The 917s that won in '70 and '71 were not LHs, but 917K, chassis numbers 019, 020, and 023. The original 917LH was so unstable at speed that they were almost shelved early in the 1969 season, since the 908 was faster and more stable at speed. The development of the -K in time for the 1970 season changed the 917 from an almost uncontrollable monster, that killed the first driver to try to race it (John Wolfe at the Maison Blanc, le Mans, 1969) to an unbeatable classic.
1:38 aircrash!!
god d*mn that is one blisteringly fast car! wow, he passes those (934s? RSRs?) like they are literally standing still - damn.
Group C was in the 80's.
The Porsche 936 raced in something called Group 6.
This was a Group 6 car, not a Group C. The Group C was introduced in '80s to replace both Group 5 and 6
Damals war le mans noch eine schöne strecke
@680540
Actually those were the Porsche 917 LH (LangHeck) in 1970 and 1971.
The Porsche 917 had a 5 litre flat 12 developing around 650hp.
The Porsche 936 ( raced in 1976-1977) never reached neither the top speed nor the distance record of the 1971 917's. As a matter of fact the all time 24 hour distance record from 1971 wasn't beaten until 2010!!
Porsche 936 used a 2,1 litre flat 6 with turbo.
Actually, from what i heard FIA decided that no straight was allowed to be more then 2km long, so they had to add them
Isso é música para meus ouvidos.
der kuppelt ja doppelt beim runterschalten, ist mir vorher nie aufgefallen.. sehr geil.
Nice !!
souvenirs!!!!!
Was it a Porsche track day at Le Mans when this film was taken? Every car he passed on that lap was a Porsche!
3:05 Another bug crashes on camera...
Didn't lift for Mulsanne. Big balls.
Tolle Strecke ohne diese ganzen verschissenen Schikanen.
*tödliche
ouaou......le mans en 77!!!! n'est plus vraiment le même qu'aujourd'hui ,surtout après le pneu dunlop,la chicane a été complètement modifier depuis,de même pour le tertre rouge,et bien sur les chicanes dans la ligne droite de la hunaudiere.bref le circuit a été profondément modifier,ce qui n'est pas un mal pour la sécuritée.....super video en tout cas!!!
If F1 fans are bitching about the "too long" straight at Baku (1.3 miles) then what would they think about the 3.5 mile long Mulsanne Straight in the F1 calendar??? XD
According to topspeed,com the 936 in 81' maxed at a real approximate (meaning actual track figures, but I'm not sure if they're correct) 250mph. Cut back four years and it's probably around 245, 246, maybe the same. The Mulsanne straight is long enough for pretty much any car to reach at least 95% top speed, so you can bet it was at least 235mph, possibly 240, maybe 245.
Fast as fuck, either way.
Dear God!
Why isn't any video of the Mercedes C9 achieving 400 km/h??
Need to bring back the no-chicane Lemans quick.
Una gita au Mans
Oh my god
krass einfach nur geil
die sind ja früher da über 400 gefahren
ich glaube es waren so ca 410
And won also in 1981?
It looked like the only GT cars he passed on that lap were Porsches.
Nooow that's a straight!
I've heard the old straight was altered because it pushed cars beyond their reasonably safe limits. Tires tended to explode at that speed. Not sure though. I'm sure the info is out there and that they didn't remove the legendary straight for dumb corporate reasons.
Muslanne straight is 3 1/2 miles long at that time.
@Jacklewisbarclay that is what i was wondering ? I think cause it is a qualifying run, hence it is the qualifying run for just the Porches ?! Wild guess
Le Mans track was modified in 1990. "Les Hunaudières" was cut by 2 in-and-out, because speed was too important.
That s one point explaining why some records last so long.
Martini's line
350???
Anyone know top speed?
no turns in the Hunaudières !
Funny part is that they were powered by the same powerplant.
I'd bet more that it was removed after the prototype care doing back flips from air getting underneath the car over a crest on the mulsane straight
viajei muintlegau
Those Carreras are not exactly parked.
He said about 340kp/h sooo i guess 210 mp/h
woooow, these days they just cruise.
They ruin EVERY track - Imola and Hockenheim included.
0:50 sound barrier :D
but racing has always been about mechanical limits. The point is, they'd solve it and the cars could handle it.
1:30.... die langsameren Autos... Carreras... holy moly!!
Frank Biela disagrees.
We need cars like these in LeMans these days. I don't give a shit about the Audi R10 or Peugeot 908. Not even the new Nissan or Toyota. I want these Group C cars back
Haters still gonna hate!...
fastest bird poop in the world. (see the camera screen there's a poop)
die schikanen dienen nur zur sicherheit
You had pop up the contrast,but a little too much i.m.o.
Oprah was at the wheel. Really.
it is a porsche but advertised by martini as were the lancias.
pericolosa la pista nell 77......
lol
that's a lancia fool
+Gian-Luca Nardini it's a Porsche martini sponsored!
Show me a lancia able to do that speed.
oh yeah, and this one.
www.google.co.uk/search?q=lancia+le+mans&safe=off&biw=1024&bih=639&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjziqPYg_bPAhVMD8AKHaaBBkkQ_AUIBigB#safe=off&tbm=isch&q=lancia+lc1&imgrc=wL0AxvED8JDA6M%3A