Thank you so much for posting this video. Amazing, awesome, fantastic, terrific!!! I was just a kid back in '77, but was already a fan of Le Mans, playing with Le Mans toy cars, etc. I've seen videos, but this is breathtaking, considering the age. Did you notice that the cars being lapped usually keep to their racing line, and I can't see the driver of the 936 complaining...unlike today's spoint F1 drivers!
back in the days when racing cars were real racing cars, no computers onboard, just man and machine, an era lost forever that our kids will never experience, that speed scares me,he is an amazing driver,no doubt.
Thanks for putting this up - lovely wiggle on the exit of Arnage. The closing speed to the 911s looks scary - especially the two overtaking eachother on the approach to Indianapolis. I have took my midget round the Circuit on a parade lap and it seemed really narrow in places. Now the cars are even wider there can't be much room for three abreast if needed.
So it was.This noise recalls me of my 911/S and brings me back of years...of no speed limits times! 936 had basically a stock aircooled turbo 911 engine extr.uptuned and the"family sound "was clearly still there!
@samiurrahmanshah In F1, I'm pretty sure they have launch control, plus they have that overtaking feature where they push a button on the steering wheel that gives the engine a bit more power and lowers the rear wing to creat less downforce. (i may be wrong about the launch control)
It's the german driver Jurgen Barth as mentioned in the video description commenting on his own lap. The last sentence spoken by a commentator is also in german. Greetings from Germany ;)
@terminator363GAMES The two chicanes at Hunaudieres were not the only changes, Maison Blanche and Porsche curves, Ford Chicane, and the section from Dunlop to the esses have changed too since 1967 and before ´32 the north of the track had a totally different layout.
Think you might find the 2.1 litre 936 here was based on the even older 908 chassis. These vehicles last one at Le Mans 1981 with a 2.65 litre (Updated from a shelved Indianapolis Project) engine.
My favorite version of the Circuit de la Sarthe in terms of layout. Before the Dunlop curve, Tertre Rouge and Mulsanne corner were altered and chicanes installed on the exit of Dunlop curve and on Mulsanne straight, but after the Porsche curves were added. In terms of safety though, let's just say it was lacking...
Vive le Mans ! The old circuit was ridicoulously fast. I have a friend that told me that the hardest thing with those long straits is not to fall asleep !
@bere5de The 917 LH (langheck) was clocked doing 390km/h on LeMans in 1971. That one had a 650hp 4,9 litre flat 12 The Can-Am 917-30 had a turbo-charged engine and 1100hp in racetrim in 1973. For qualifying it reportedly had 1500hp. Unofficial reports claim that the 917-30 reached 409km/h in Le Castellet (Paul Ricard) in 1975.
@xrayracer1 I can't be too sure about launch control, the way rules are evolving, it's hard to follow. I do remember that they had a type of anti-stall control, which disengaged the clutch whenever the ECU sensed the engine was about to stall. As for these LMPs, I think the only electronic aids are the traction / launch control, oh and pit lane speed limiters. They all work by modulating engine power.
How fast did they go on the Mulsane straight then? I know the Group C cars in the 80s were doing over 250 mph!!! But I love this shot of how long the Mulsane was without the chicanes!
@samiurrahmanshah pit lane speed limiters are ok, here in australia the V8 supercar series, they have speed limiters for in the pit lanes, but i'm pretty sure they have no electronic driving aids. ( one thing is for sure, it will be interesting if the F1 cars switch to turboed 4cyl engines)
@bere5de You're quite right, but really it does depend on the nature of the track. (The Porsche would have a much higher top speed, but the 21st Century F1 car would be far more agile.) Got to remember that tyre technology has improved quite a bit since 1971 (Porsche 917/30 era), and tyres can be worth many seconds per lap than horsepower and aerodynamics alone.
A lower quality version of this is on Porsche's official TH-cam channel. Why they don't have anything of the even more successful 917, 962, or even the 956 is beyond me.
What I found almost frightening was the closing speeds with the 911s down the Mulsanne. They might have been doing 160mph+ and he went past them liking they were doing half that
It's scary. You're getting bored and your alertness getting weak. Then you see Mulsanne too late and... BOOM! „Mulsanne” is the last corner on „Les Hunaudières” (wrong named „Mulsanne straight”).
936 in long term engine trim had a 500/550 bhp output - no more - in practise trim they could obv.uptune the turbo engine but these were long term races= equally they had to choose an average aerod. downforce/speed ratio so to have performance on the straight and a still good cornering without excessively stressing the drivers in a 24 hours race= Still impressing 30 years later!
The 936 had a top speed of 217 MPH. And the way the lap was filmed (large POV crammed into a small one) which makes the viewsomewhat faster, only adds to the effect that it's at top speed on the Mulsanne. The 917 raced at the beginning of the '70s, so it can't be a 917.
Porsche 917 is the Fastet Porsche ever build. 1100 bhp in race 1500 in qaulifing... Top speed in Musolmune was 407kph. in 1971, 12 seconds to 320 kph (200 mph)
Shame, I was looking to go there this year. Btw, I think few people watch the race throughout. 1989 was the last year without the chicanes on the Mulsanne straight. Which meant the cars approached 400km/h. Pretty impressive considering it was almost a quarter of a century ago. Wish I had a time machine.
They also brought in a rule that meant any FIA sanctioned event, the straight couldn't be more than something like 1.4 km long, not sure exactly how long it is though.
Yes that's right- but only just! The car was driven carefully to win the race by expert driver/mechanic Barth for the last 2 laps on 5 cylinders. Does anybody know who's narrating this clip? I guess that's Ickx driving...the blue helmut...
When you’re passing RSR’s like they’re standing still you know you’re moving quickly.
Outstanding thanks
ikr? and its the 70s, one wrong move, ur gone
It's so cute the way the Porsches stick to the "slow lane". Gotta love the snap oversteer and dabs of opposite lock. Nice rhythm.
Thank you so much for posting this video. Amazing, awesome, fantastic, terrific!!!
I was just a kid back in '77, but was already a fan of Le Mans, playing with Le Mans toy cars, etc. I've seen videos, but this is breathtaking, considering the age.
Did you notice that the cars being lapped usually keep to their racing line, and I can't see the driver of the 936 complaining...unlike today's spoint F1 drivers!
My all-time favorite onboard...old LeMans.
back in the days when racing cars were real racing cars, no computers onboard, just man and machine, an era lost forever that our kids will never experience, that speed scares me,he is an amazing driver,no doubt.
Classic stuff - I wanted to go to Le Mans since I was a kid in the 70s, finally made it to Le Mans in 2005
This car now owned by Dave Morse in CA. It won overall in 1977 driven by Jackie Ixxs and Mass I believe. 1 of 4 cars built.
Thanks for putting this up - lovely wiggle on the exit of Arnage. The closing speed to the 911s looks scary - especially the two overtaking eachother on the approach to Indianapolis. I have took my midget round the Circuit on a parade lap and it seemed really narrow in places. Now the cars are even wider there can't be much room for three abreast if needed.
One of the absolute best videos on you tube....
Wow,thats fast,listen to that sound!I collect all these models, the history and reminder of the sport.
So it was.This noise recalls me of my 911/S and brings me back of years...of no speed limits times!
936 had basically a stock aircooled turbo 911 engine extr.uptuned and the"family sound "was clearly still there!
Passing Carreras like they were parked. Absolute animal.
Incredible video!! Thx for sharing.
What an amazing track the good old Le Mans!
@alphenchick Absolutely...and to keep 911s/930s that are going all out moving aside to let you go by at almost twice their speed, is pretty amazing.
@samiurrahmanshah In F1, I'm pretty sure they have launch control, plus they have that overtaking feature where they push a button on the steering wheel that gives the engine a bit more power and lowers the rear wing to creat less downforce. (i may be wrong about the launch control)
It's the german driver Jurgen Barth as mentioned in the video description commenting on his own lap. The last sentence spoken by a commentator is also in german.
Greetings from Germany ;)
@terminator363GAMES
The two chicanes at Hunaudieres were not the only changes, Maison Blanche and Porsche curves, Ford Chicane, and the section from Dunlop to the esses have changed too since 1967 and before ´32 the north of the track had a totally different layout.
Think you might find the 2.1 litre 936 here was based on the even older 908 chassis.
These vehicles last one at Le Mans 1981 with a 2.65 litre (Updated from a shelved Indianapolis Project) engine.
That's awesome!! I'd like to see Porsches again kicking some ass at LeMans!!
It's almost unbelievable how brave drivers were in the days before carbon safety cells etc
Barley a seat belt on tube frame
My favorite version of the Circuit de la Sarthe in terms of layout. Before the Dunlop curve, Tertre Rouge and Mulsanne corner were altered and chicanes installed on the exit of Dunlop curve and on Mulsanne straight, but after the Porsche curves were added. In terms of safety though, let's just say it was lacking...
Vive le Mans !
The old circuit was ridicoulously fast. I have a friend that told me that the hardest thing with those long straits is not to fall asleep !
Nice, love the 936 - great car...
@bere5de
The 917 LH (langheck) was clocked doing 390km/h on LeMans in 1971. That one had a 650hp 4,9 litre flat 12
The Can-Am 917-30 had a turbo-charged engine and 1100hp in racetrim in 1973. For qualifying it reportedly had 1500hp. Unofficial reports claim that the 917-30 reached 409km/h in Le Castellet (Paul Ricard) in 1975.
Mega. Brilliant, Fantastic. Three words that suit the video.
what a beautiful sound
@poralentierno He was passing Porsche 911 Carrera RSRs. Basically 800-900 HP 936 vs. 300-400 HP 911 RSRs.
some serious skills involved in this
@xrayracer1 I can't be too sure about launch control, the way rules are evolving, it's hard to follow. I do remember that they had a type of anti-stall control, which disengaged the clutch whenever the ECU sensed the engine was about to stall. As for these LMPs, I think the only electronic aids are the traction / launch control, oh and pit lane speed limiters. They all work by modulating engine power.
@GTXMAN
Yes, I am.
The Porsche 936 only had up to 620hp, but there were cars with over 1000hp (Porsche 917 for example) and top speeds up to 400 km/h
How do you dislike this video ?
acelerate video... no it's original
I enjoy this hot lap a little too much!What a sweet engine sound. Martini and Rossi...yeah.
@JUMPMAN23MCM He has passed also 934 RSR (~480 hp) and 935 turbo (~560-590hp) Porsches, while the lightweight 936 has "only" 540hp.
How fast did they go on the Mulsane straight then? I know the Group C cars in the 80s were doing over 250 mph!!! But I love this shot of how long the Mulsane was without the chicanes!
@samiurrahmanshah pit lane speed limiters are ok, here in australia the V8 supercar series, they have speed limiters for in the pit lanes, but i'm pretty sure they have no electronic driving aids. ( one thing is for sure, it will be interesting if the F1 cars switch to turboed 4cyl engines)
Jürgen Barth!... A living legend!
God i love these porsche racing engines from the old days
The Mulsanne straight without chicanes they reached speeds over 400 km/h (250 mph). The chicanes were built in 1990.
Listen to that engine, music to my ears!
And they did this at night to. Absolutely amazing!
Awe inspiring video,thanks for posting.
A lap of that track in the rain or nightime or both?
No thanks!
He is Johann Mass (if I spell it right). I still have the 8mm film(!)
jürgen barth won the race in 1977 with the porsche936 and when you see the clip you understand why !!! great driver
The great Jurgen Barth, Porsche legend tested every car from the 917 on-wards as well
One minute and ten seconds at full throttle, God bless auto racing.
YWNA
USA
absolute classic
Old Hunaudières = 6 km or 3,7 miles...
Best Track of the world with the Nordschleife, but Le Mans' legend is still alive.
I love the sound of this Porsche 936 and to see the differences in the 1977 track and now.Just to tell u im a ferrari guy
What a ride.WOOOOHOOOOO.
The speed going down the Mulsanne is just epic.
Fun fact: modern cars are just as fast and they have to take the extra chicanes
All cars for the people !
to me these were the real race cars! no traction control, no abs, no stability control, no bullshit!!!
2:42 = amazing control. And balls.
The LMP1 cars would be doing around 220-230. Group C cars were hitting nearly 250 in the late 1980s.
Steht doch alles in der Beschreibung! ;)
btw. klasse Video!
Beautiful.
@BaronBoy100 He actually mentions this himself in the video: "Oh, das war etwas weit..."="Oh, I am running a little wide..." at 2:44.
@bere5de
You're quite right, but really it does depend on the nature of the track. (The Porsche would have a much higher top speed, but the 21st Century F1 car would be far more agile.)
Got to remember that tyre technology has improved quite a bit since 1971 (Porsche 917/30 era), and tyres can be worth many seconds per lap than horsepower and aerodynamics alone.
when were the two chicanes that broke up the muslan straight added?
wow very good quality
A lower quality version of this is on Porsche's official TH-cam channel. Why they don't have anything of the even more successful 917, 962, or even the 956 is beyond me.
very impressive how fast he overtakes the "normal" Porsches which actually are very fast too
What I found almost frightening was the closing speeds with the 911s down the Mulsanne. They might have been doing 160mph+ and he went past them liking they were doing half that
it looks like the video in the museum by main entrance of the track
at 0:48 he's breaking the sound barrier? hehehehehehe
I miss the old Le Mans circuit without the chincanes on the big straight...
GREAT VIDEO!
Awesome dudes...Thanks. .
The Mulsanne w/o chicanes is almost boring because of its length. This is amazing footage.
Until you're the one behind the wheel that is...
It's scary. You're getting bored and your alertness getting weak. Then you see Mulsanne too late and... BOOM!
„Mulsanne” is the last corner on „Les Hunaudières” (wrong named „Mulsanne straight”).
936 in long term engine trim had a 500/550 bhp output - no more -
in practise trim they could obv.uptune the turbo engine but these were long term races=
equally they had to choose an average aerod. downforce/speed ratio so to have performance on the straight and a still good cornering without excessively stressing the drivers in a 24 hours race=
Still impressing 30 years later!
1. Source please for that 390 km/h 2. 917-30 never raced at Le Mans.
verry good video!! i like that car!
recorded on film man pure retro
amazing how fast these trees fly by.
@ :50, thats a nice straight line to do a little big of race! ;)
Wie heisst die Doku. bzw. der Film aus dem dieser Ausschnitt ist?
Grüße...
Wie heisst die Doku. bzw. der Film aus dem dieser Ausschnitt ist?
Martini!
wow there were 2 dunlops....and nice to see old de la sarthe...Musanne was long eh? :)
and i love Porsche chicanes though...
Anybody know what year they added the chicanes to the Mulsanne straight and why?
the monster of all cockpit open cars of porsche.
The 936 had a top speed of 217 MPH. And the way the lap was filmed (large POV crammed into a small one) which makes the viewsomewhat faster, only adds to the effect that it's at top speed on the Mulsanne.
The 917 raced at the beginning of the '70s, so it can't be a 917.
need for the speeeeeed...dammn..incredible..
Agreed. They need to enter the LM-P1 class (or whatever it'll be called next)
Porsche 917 is the Fastet Porsche ever build. 1100 bhp in race 1500 in qaulifing... Top speed in Musolmune was 407kph. in 1971, 12 seconds to 320 kph (200 mph)
Very awesome!
which turn s the white house corner?
between the 1989 and the 1990 race if im not mistaken.
Shame, I was looking to go there this year.
Btw, I think few people watch the race throughout.
1989 was the last year without the chicanes on the Mulsanne straight. Which meant the cars approached 400km/h. Pretty impressive considering it was almost a quarter of a century ago. Wish I had a time machine.
Amazing. Mulsanne straight without chicane !
guys... this keeps going for 24 hours......... i got respect for the drivers
sehr geiles video!
like it was yesterday, awesome
@xrayracer1 Actually, in modern racers, I think there's only traction control that's allowed.
Weren't some of these cars capable of 230+mph on Mullsanne(sic) before the chicanes were put in?
Great! Classic race car.
They also brought in a rule that meant any FIA sanctioned event, the straight couldn't be more than something like 1.4 km long, not sure exactly how long it is though.
super Video !
Yes that's right- but only just! The car was driven carefully to win the race by expert driver/mechanic Barth for the last 2 laps on 5 cylinders. Does anybody know who's narrating this clip? I guess that's Ickx driving...the blue helmut...
nice video
When men where men. No traction control, paddle shifters and pre-modified Lemans track. Concentration, stamina and guts.
wow imagine the G force going into a corner with this car... freaking bad ass car from hell.. thumbs up.