I think those satellites were what generated the barrier rather than being anything in relation to Operation Cinder. Or it could be the other way around - the satellites created the barrier through weather manipulation and the Empire discovered them and used them to create the Operation Cinder satellites.
Well, defensive satellites could be turned against the planet they're defending. That was the plot of the _Babylon 5_ episode "Endgame" with the president leaving a note saying, "Scorched Earth."
My theory is that the ship's former captain is the Supervisor (or at least set up the Supervisor) and got the barrier going. He's the reason noone knows where At Attin is. He had SM-33 kill anyone who saw At Attin's coordinates, had SM-33 destroy the carving of the coordinates and ordered SM-33 to forget everything about At Attin. But he also added a failsafe to SM-33 so that if anyone DID get him to remember At Attin, he'd kill whoever was asking about it. With the similarity between At Attin and At Achrann, we can almost be sure that the school on At Attin also had a giant cannon stowed away on the roof. Hanya says theirs is from "the Old Days" and the only reason for showing that to us (since it was never used in the episode) is to set up a cannon also being on At Attin. My guess is that the ship's former captain wanted At Attin to remain hidden and either shot down his ship when there was an attempt made to leave the planet or got shot down himself. It would explain why a simple button press would cause the ship to not only take off but then also make a hyperspace jump. The ship may have been in the process of leaving and the jump coordinates entered when it was shot down and the hyperspace jump was to meet with someone without that someone knowing where the ship had come from.
Eh. Jewels of the Old Republic have automatic overwrite of a ship control to move it out of the Jewels respectfully but if its crew gonna force themselves into the Jewel aganist the protocol, the system will shoot down the ship immediately and hide it.
Agreed, He’s like Star Wars explained if Explained had personality and wasn’t a boring Disney Shill. Another thing I love about Generation Tech is how he just loves star wars and talks about Both canon and the EU as if they were one and the same.
I like that he approaches things with curiousity and appreciation. He'll mention negative points about a show, but he doesn't make critique the point of his channel.
@@fazbrogaming7776 You know you can appreciate someone without talking badly about another person? I love both Generation Tech and Star Wars Explained. Alex and Mollie both have a fun personality and a positive outlook on things, they most definitely are not "Disney Shills", as they criticize things where it is due, but they choose to have a positive outlook on things 90% of the time which is much appreciated in today's day and age...
my working theory is that the jewels were a safeguard to the old republic, like 9 backup worlds that stored and processed data to be able to restart the republic from scratch if anything ever happened to it, like natural disasters, invasions etc. They just never thought the republic was gonna be destroyed from within. Also aren't there the same satellites at At Attin? My theory was that the barrier was the combo of the nebula and the satellites
I'm thinking they're giant social experiments. Let's make a few identical civilizations...but what if we start a war here, release a disease here. I'm guessing it was started pre-Empire, hence the money. And whoever was the overseer was died during the Clone Wars or rise of the Empire.
To continue my theory that these "treasure" worlds are more properly "vault" worlds, the destruction and post-apocalyptic survivors here could easily be the result of a failed experiment.
I think I go with what was said first: they were discovered and destroyed, but At Attin wasn't. I think they just got lucky. But they're still working on the original premise, even if the Great Work isn't relevant. However, maybe it is, and the New Republic needs them to get control of the galaxy for the next 20 or 30 years before the Sequels.
I don't really see the timeline matching with this being caused by operation cinder, since SM-33 indicated that the planet was already like that when he visited it the last time with his old captain, and Onyx Cinder must have been buried at At Attin for at least a few centuries to having been completely buried into the ground like that.
The show takes place just a few years after the end of the Galactic Civil War too, but At Achrann seems to have a culture that is at least several generations deep into its dystopia. No one seems to know what the buildings were or anything about their planet. If their society collapsed only a decade or less ago, they'd probably know more.
I'm pretty sure SM-33's old captain was hired by the At Attin supervisor to destroy records of it's location in exchange for life in Paradise. The supervisor could have shot him down when he returned and had security droids finish the job.
That would be pretty nasty thing to do from someone running a planet that's been peaceful for a thousand years. I think the most logical explanation is that the captain is a greedy pirate that didn't want to share the wealth of At Attin with his crew so killed them all. It's kind of like Thorin and co. succumbing to the Curse of Dragon's Gold as described in _The Hobbit._
There are green, barrier like clouds around At Achrann though or at least remnants of them - you can see them as Onyx Cinder passes the satellites at 4:40 in this video
The pirates destroyed and pillaged At Ackron which is why the droid knew where At Attan was and was ordered to protect that information. They probably went to scout out At Attan, ran a foul of the planets defense system and crashed.
No, the droid knew about the planet because the former pirate captain (of the vessel the kids travel in) had been there to get the coordinates to At Attin
That would be great, I was thinking it can start with that scene with Anakin and Qui-Gon in episode 1 where Anakin ask: Do all the stars have systems of planets? I want to be the first one to see them all! Then after that the show becomes a documentary about each planet in star wars.
So while operation cinder is a good call, and staying within that ball park, it's possible (my running theory at the moment) that the satellites around atakren looks like the cinder satellites because the operation cinder satellites were based on older republic technology. You said that the satellites in cinder could cause mega storms on a planet... But hypothetically, what would such satellites do if they were inverted, their needle points pointing AWAY from the planet? - could they possibly attract enough particles and gases to envelop a planet in a small artificially generated nebula? We don't see a massive big nebula covering Atakren like we do ataten, but you can see a nebula (or greeny-blue gases) near it (you also see red flashing lights in the orbit of Ataten, so these satellites may be present around that planet aswell). So, in this scenario it's possible that PALPATINE repurposed old republic technology to create the operation cinder satellites because, he saw the devastation that these jewel-world clocking satellites could cause when they were targeting the planet they were meant to protect (it's also very sith - turn a tool created to protect into a tool for destruction). So that would meant that the devastation could have happened faaaar before the reign of PALPATINE (possibly even before the chancellorship of Velorum and earlier still). The mystery is... Who would change the orientation of the satellites and why?... King no-head?
I’m hoping this isn’t an Operation Cinder thing… just cuz it would tie it too heavily into all these other series building to Thrawn… I like this one as its own thing.
I got the impression At Attin was hidden for 1000 years. Seems messed up that they would be destroyed 3 years ago, or whenever Operation Cinder occurred. I'm guessing At Achrann was destroyed at least 20 years ago, if not a hundred or more.
There is a statue on at attin. It of the elephant looking one This statue is of the guy in the left side of the wall mural. His clothes match the mural perfectly.
I think all of the nine planets were set up identically to each other, right down to the buildings. Each one was working towards the Great Works of the ancient Old Republic. I'm pretty sure that no one from the prequels or Galactic Republic or even the Empire know of their actual existence.
Has anyone else noticed how the droids Galen Erso has with him on Lah'mu - right at the start of Rogue One - look very similar to the droids on At Attin?
At Achrann must have been discovered and destroyed much earlier and the reason why they have a lot of imperial equipment might be the limited trade that was mentioned in this episode. They only get recent military surplus but shit hit the fan far back in the Old Republic. The other thing is that the basic they speak at At Attin and At Achrann is apparently the same as in the rest of the Galaxy, so theoretically the planets must have been hidden quite recently, but I wouldn't count on realism with that one. The paper map in the episode 3 looked like someone in the production crew made a lot of effort for it to look really ancient.
The paper "map" when he was describing it in this video reminded me of the "map" Frank Baum made for the 4 regions of Oz, except he got east and west reversed! Nobody bothered to correct it when the movie _Oz, the Great and Powerful (2013)_ came out from Disney, so they just posted it on the movie's website.
I love watching stuff and then coming here to get a very open-minded deep dive on things in the SW universe, some of which covered povs, etc I didn't even consider. Stay Awesome Allan!
I don't get why Operation Cinder would use satellites rather than just pointing all of a Star Destroyer's Turbolazers at a planet to destroy settlements. Those satelites definitely cost some money that could've been spent better.
Satellites could be played off as communications or something harmless but low orbit star destroyers over loyal might be concerning and someone might start asking questions
yeah it always confused me as well, it could just be that they wanted to preserve the eco systems somewhat for reinhabiting, turbolasers do tend to glass everything and vaporize the oceans
Because one star destroyer can hold enough satellites to cover many many planets so just that one star destroyer can go seed the satellites at many many places. Like mines
Well, if that occurred 3 years prior to this series, then that's not the same as these worlds being discovered and destroyed 100 or more years ago. Of course both could be true: At Achrann's society was destroyed hundreds of years ago, then it was hit again 3 years ago with Operation Cinder.
@sandal_thong8631 I think these worlds are experiments in cloning whole societies cloned, for the Unknown Region Refugees of the Imperial Remnant that became the Galactic First Order, and the Babysitter mode Droids are the teachers for these regions. It's the same people just distinct circumstances to breed a survivor race from the remnants. Same way Sidious had a droid raise Maul, so too were the Founders of these Colonies
You may be correct that's the result of Operation Cinder and a Star Wars version of the planet Kelad ( backward spelling of Dalek, origin planet of them) only missing a version of Daveros. In this rendition, they found pockets of peace and reasons to trade for the benefits of both side, inspire of going from blasters back to bow and arrow warfare.
About 250 years, give or take, is my guess. Sometime during the Nihil wars after the Great Hyperspace Disaster. I'd be curious why we see Imperial, Rebel, and Nihil gear, but no Clone Wars armor or weapons. That tank does look weirdly similar to an AAT without the main turret, so maybe the Separatists knew about it but not the late old Republic.
i don't think this world as anything to do with the empire. the legend implied that these jewel world were destroy long ago, probably during the old republic. and the presence of empire equipment can simply be explain by trading with outsider. the satellite are most likely the thing that once created the barrier, and the red light we see in the sky in the first episode are the satellite of that world. but we will need to learn more to be sure.
What if they used the orbital stations to KEEP the city in a perperual seasonal weather station? Meaning you didn't wipe them out with a CAT5 hurricane. So you have the REST of the world of AT ATTIN, is hit by CAT5+ storm every decade or so, might also explain why they CANNOT reach the outside.
I never comment on your videos but the call back to Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter absolutely threw me and made me think about something I completely forgot about.
I have a feeling that Skeleton Crew will be the series that will surprisingly tie a lot of loose ends between Ep 6 and 9, and it's not just a showcase of trivias and references to the other- IS THAT AN ARAI HELMET??
Given the ruins, equipment, and age of the adults I would say that the world was ravaged during or soon after the Clone Wars, which would be about 30 years.
I don't think those are operation cinder satellites. They look like the satellites that create the barrier on At Attin and it makes sense to assume each of these At planets has their own barrier
Thank you for perpetually reminding all of us of the good work of Abe Lincoln, Vampire Hunter Extraordinaire. Keeping preaching the good word, brother!
But Alan, there was a nebula when they first came out of hyperspace. I would be willing to bet that each planet has it's own protective nebula. Other than that, I agree with what you said, and Skeleton Crew has me intrigued and wanting more! It sucks that we only get 8 episodes p/season.
At Achrann appears to be inside some sort of nebula similar to At Attin. There are no clear skies around the planet. I think all of these treasure worlds are hidden in different nebulas but At Attin was the only still hidden. Also, dont forget that the crew on the ship was killed and then buried prior to the kids finding it. One of the dead might be the former captain
My theory: the pirate’s visit pulled back the curtain on the Wizard, the populace fissured into warring factions with “truthers” vs “non-truthers” and civil war raged until the present
A good idea, but I think that the main reason for At Achrann's disastrous state could've been some great energy's failure. At At Attin EVERYTHING rely heavily on droids, imagine if some disastrous power surge let all the droids "killed", no one would be able to repair them, no communications for asking for help, expecially if the leadership had been killed (just look how devastated was the supervisors' tower). So the citizens were let to fend for themselves, and , given how heavily was the conditioning, no one was able to maintain all the services. Without someone to organize the society, probabilly in less than two generations every town fell in disarray. The structures in the orbit seems more apt to support the barrier, perhaps the system was stroke by a pulsar or a nearby Nova, that fried all the electronics, and surely this happened way before the Clone wars.
In the screen shot where you first mention the satellites…you can see the green nebula gasses that theoretically would make up the barrier for this planet…unless I’m mistaken.
The pirates. By taking out the watchtower, (and possibly at the other planets as well) the society (-ies) that never learned to govern itself (themselves) didn't. The remnants were able to get the message to At-Attin, which shot the pirates. (No explanation of how the ship was able to fly again, maybe just an ion cannon/tractor/autopilot that disrupted it enough to bring it down quietly?)
Someone said there was a statue of someone of Neel's race in the first episode. After the first break when the school bus comes out of the tunnel there is a statue there, but it's in the background and hard to see, so it could be. I like the idea that the statue on At Achrann could be the Emperor, Palpatine. There's a statue that's thrown down on Coruscant at the end of _Return of the Jedi,_ but I'm having trouble getting an image of it.
If At Achrann was not ruined by Operation: Cinder, what did? In my view, it might be one of the megacorporations like the trade Federation or the Techno Union, most likely when the Clones Wars reached this planet.
I really doubt it was the empire that destroyed that and all the other jewels of the republic. I do think they were destroyed with satellites similar to the operation cinder ones but more likely these were the precursor to the empires ones. My main reason is the planets are obviously from the old republic not the galactic republic or even high republic (there’s a lot of republics). But they were obviously from the old republic, and were destroyed during the old republics rain. Probably by the “sith empire” during that war, since that was the last time the republic was truly at war besides the clone wars. And their enemies had the power to do such destruction at least in legends. The planets purposes is obviously just a central treasury/gold backing for the republic currency. And went completely off the radar in attempt to hide itself after the other jewels were destroyed. But that’s just a theory…
Actually maybe it wasn’t destroyed during the old republic since the modern galactic republics symbol is on their currency……. Well at very least before the clone wars probably during the high republic bc I think they had the same symbol. The modern galactic republic symbol did exist for like 1000 years or something so…
Are you missing the nebula in the background of the satellites shot in your own video? what did you think the green gases in the background were? Normal space??
I have a couple of theories about the planet: The planet is in the Maw complex or the planet is similar to Kesh - where the Lost Tribe of Sith came to.
Only thing though is that At Achrann appears to have been in that destroyed apocalyptic state for a very long time.. it would have only been a few years at most sense operation cinder happened and the people on on the planet at like they don't remember what happened or it has been so long they have forgotten which makes no sense and even if it happened during the clone wars there would still be some people who remembered ...
I think they are old separatist tanks …. They did say they “traded hides for arms” with outworlders. Makes sense they weren’t able to afford the latest tech.
Well, the barrier seems to have satellites as part of it as well as you see red blinking dots in a grid. So, not sure if those were destroyed at Achrann or the cause of the destruction.
It might be interesting if the quote "You can't go home again" applies to this show. If the kids manage to return home they will find that they are changed and can not go back to life as it was on their home planet. They are now incapable of fitting in what is the Star Wars version of The Village from the old TV show "The Prisoner." By the time they get home their minds will be much different and some may even have PTSD from the things they saw and did on their journey. They can never go back to life as it was. They know that there is a wider universe and it is often brutish and violent. They know that their utopia is deceitful. It would be hard to just going back to a life of being clerks and not seeing their society for the straitjacket that it is. Maybe some of them will prefer that utopian planet and do all they can to try to adapt back to it perhaps even going to great lengths mentally and emotionally to do so, but others might find it intolerable to compromise. It Makes me think of a Heinlein novel called "Tunnel in the Sky" where a bunch of teens/young adults end up stuck on a world with no civilization in what was supposed to be a short survival skills exercise. Instead they end up stuck there for several years and kind of have to scratch build their own civilization on an alien world that they have limited knowledge of. Such an experience changes them radically and when they finally do return home they don't fit in.
Ya i saw those and the first thing that crossed my mind was project cinder. Or whatever it's called from the time directly before alphabet squadron And then this planet is possibly one of the planets that the imperial remnant went to after the empires end books to revive over a period of time to become the first order.
I do really like the new post Episode 6 canon with Operation Cinder. As much as I loved the Rogue Squadron novels, the og Thrawn trilogy, and some other expanded universe novels, the whole Empire just becoming a series of Warlords and the Imperial Remnant felt kinda lame. But the idea that Palpatine had a plan in place to burn it all to the ground if he died makes perfect sense, dude was a sick sadistic pos.
They were important planets during the old republic it's not impossible to think that the Sith back then planned on using them later as such passed on the knowledge of them to each new generation
I think the sad thing about the Star Wars galaxy, is that the galaxy's life forms is on timer. Weather it's hundred thousands of years or millions, war and conflict are gonna turn 1 more world uninhabitable. Unless the galaxy's inhabitants intervene and terraform the dead planets themselves, the galaxy will eventually wither away. Which on other note, If I remember right, the old republic in legends did in fact hard and expensive labor terraform during the cold war era against the Sith. It was used as a rallying point to keep a crumbling republic together, I think.
They're all crying about the coordinates to At Attin being destroyed, but all the other coordinates are intact. Just go to the same building on one of the other planets and get them there 🤦🏾♂️
I would actually think the Nihil would have destroyed At Achrann. It would make more sense, given how established the planetary conflict is, for the destruction to have occurred in the much more distant past, rather than during the late Imperial period. We know the Nihil had advanced hyperspace technology that allowed them to reach planets that would be otherwise unreachable, and we know the Nihil hated the Jedi and the Republic, which motivated them to attack Valo and Tanalorr. And this might be a stretch but the unique weapons we see on At Achrann look an awful lot like Nihil weapons depicted in the comics and Jedi: Survivor.
If this planet wasn’t a victim of Operation Cinder, maybe it was the inspiration for it. Palpatine saw what happened to it, took notes, and then just left the survivors to their fate. Because let’s be honest - if he couldn’t get anything out of them, he would NOT care what happened to them.
My thoughts have been that At Atinn was forgotten by the Old Republic, therefore unknown to the Empire. They're living in a pre Galactic Civil War ideology.
I don't think the aesthetic or social structural comparisons to Fallout are a coincidence, nor opening with the pirates opening a vault. The planets are "Vaults", complete with a supervisor (i.e. Overseer). Each one probably had slightly different cultural variations meant to see the ideal way to structure a Republic planet and to ensure that the core Republic species survive a catastrophe. That's why we see such xeno diversity on the planets and why they were kept hidden. On the other planets, the formula wasn't quite right, intentionally or accidentally, and they collapsed. I doubt the Empire or Clone Wars era Republic ever knew about these worlds.
While you make a good case, I'll say this: that galaxy had wars for thousands of years with only one thousand year period of relative peace. Until they tell us, there is no way of knowing. If this place was off the main hyperspace lanes there is no way of telling who zapped them. Could have been the Hutts because they were late with their protection money. Who knows. Like I said, we'll have to wait and see.
This episode should have just been the first five minutes and the last five minutes. I think At Attin and its sister planets are social experiments. At Attin is "let's control it with a caste system." The others might be "let's introduce a disease" or "let's start a war."
Palpatine had plenty of statues. This could be him as warrior, who won the Clone Wars. The gesture is right and if it isn't Palpatine, then there must be much taller statue of Palpatine as on Coruscant.
I hope this isnt the case. These planets seem to be lost to time and having them be apart of the empire like only a few years before the show is happening kinda ruins the mystery
I think those satellites were what generated the barrier rather than being anything in relation to Operation Cinder. Or it could be the other way around - the satellites created the barrier through weather manipulation and the Empire discovered them and used them to create the Operation Cinder satellites.
Doesn't make sense. Weather happen only on planets, the barrier is outside of planets and it's not a weather
Well, defensive satellites could be turned against the planet they're defending. That was the plot of the _Babylon 5_ episode "Endgame" with the president leaving a note saying, "Scorched Earth."
My theory is that the ship's former captain is the Supervisor (or at least set up the Supervisor) and got the barrier going. He's the reason noone knows where At Attin is. He had SM-33 kill anyone who saw At Attin's coordinates, had SM-33 destroy the carving of the coordinates and ordered SM-33 to forget everything about At Attin. But he also added a failsafe to SM-33 so that if anyone DID get him to remember At Attin, he'd kill whoever was asking about it.
With the similarity between At Attin and At Achrann, we can almost be sure that the school on At Attin also had a giant cannon stowed away on the roof. Hanya says theirs is from "the Old Days" and the only reason for showing that to us (since it was never used in the episode) is to set up a cannon also being on At Attin.
My guess is that the ship's former captain wanted At Attin to remain hidden and either shot down his ship when there was an attempt made to leave the planet or got shot down himself. It would explain why a simple button press would cause the ship to not only take off but then also make a hyperspace jump. The ship may have been in the process of leaving and the jump coordinates entered when it was shot down and the hyperspace jump was to meet with someone without that someone knowing where the ship had come from.
Eh. Jewels of the Old Republic have automatic overwrite of a ship control to move it out of the Jewels respectfully but if its crew gonna force themselves into the Jewel aganist the protocol, the system will shoot down the ship immediately and hide it.
I love watching Generation Tech, he just kinda nerds out over star wars, and i tend to do that when talking to friends lol
Agreed, He’s like Star Wars explained if Explained had personality and wasn’t a boring Disney Shill. Another thing I love about Generation Tech is how he just loves star wars and talks about Both canon and the EU as if they were one and the same.
It makes me want to watch even some of the worse series because Generation Tech focuses on the lore not the acting/ editing/ pacing.
I like that he approaches things with curiousity and appreciation. He'll mention negative points about a show, but he doesn't make critique the point of his channel.
I wish I had friends.. lmao I just doing this in my head all day 🤣😭
@@fazbrogaming7776 You know you can appreciate someone without talking badly about another person? I love both Generation Tech and Star Wars Explained. Alex and Mollie both have a fun personality and a positive outlook on things, they most definitely are not "Disney Shills", as they criticize things where it is due, but they choose to have a positive outlook on things 90% of the time which is much appreciated in today's day and age...
my working theory is that the jewels were a safeguard to the old republic, like 9 backup worlds that stored and processed data to be able to restart the republic from scratch if anything ever happened to it, like natural disasters, invasions etc. They just never thought the republic was gonna be destroyed from within.
Also aren't there the same satellites at At Attin? My theory was that the barrier was the combo of the nebula and the satellites
I was thinking this as well
I'm thinking they're giant social experiments. Let's make a few identical civilizations...but what if we start a war here, release a disease here. I'm guessing it was started pre-Empire, hence the money. And whoever was the overseer was died during the Clone Wars or rise of the Empire.
I think the satellites generate and maintain the nebula.
100%, those satellites are projecting the barrier, I think.
I was thinking the Satellite produced the barrier, not the nebula
Allen. I’m very offended. As a citizen of Akron, Ohio. I can confirm that At Achrann is far superior.
Literally LOLd when he slid that in there
@@mrjackson6327Ditto.
I bet the playgrounds look exactly the same 😂
i love lebon
Pataskala here ✌️
Wow, I can't believe I forgot about operation cinder until you said it. Man you are a true star wars chronologist. ❤
I guess it was in a video game, but everybody's talking about it since Episode 4 aired.
To continue my theory that these "treasure" worlds are more properly "vault" worlds, the destruction and post-apocalyptic survivors here could easily be the result of a failed experiment.
I think I go with what was said first: they were discovered and destroyed, but At Attin wasn't. I think they just got lucky. But they're still working on the original premise, even if the Great Work isn't relevant. However, maybe it is, and the New Republic needs them to get control of the galaxy for the next 20 or 30 years before the Sequels.
I don't really see the timeline matching with this being caused by operation cinder, since SM-33 indicated that the planet was already like that when he visited it the last time with his old captain, and Onyx Cinder must have been buried at At Attin for at least a few centuries to having been completely buried into the ground like that.
yeah it doesnt match the timeline
The show takes place just a few years after the end of the Galactic Civil War too, but At Achrann seems to have a culture that is at least several generations deep into its dystopia. No one seems to know what the buildings were or anything about their planet. If their society collapsed only a decade or less ago, they'd probably know more.
@@QuintusAntonious It only put more push on being it from KOTOR-like Republic as The Jewels of Old Republic and proto-Republic implie
Well thought indeed!
I'm pretty sure SM-33's old captain was hired by the At Attin supervisor to destroy records of it's location in exchange for life in Paradise. The supervisor could have shot him down when he returned and had security droids finish the job.
Or we find out that the Supervisor is SM-33’s old captain
@@jackmusker Or the "Supervisor" actually is SM-33, each of the jewel worlds had one. Somehow it was corrupted into piracy.
That would be pretty nasty thing to do from someone running a planet that's been peaceful for a thousand years. I think the most logical explanation is that the captain is a greedy pirate that didn't want to share the wealth of At Attin with his crew so killed them all. It's kind of like Thorin and co. succumbing to the Curse of Dragon's Gold as described in _The Hobbit._
There are green, barrier like clouds around At Achrann though or at least remnants of them - you can see them as Onyx Cinder passes the satellites at 4:40 in this video
The pirates destroyed and pillaged At Ackron which is why the droid knew where At Attan was and was ordered to protect that information.
They probably went to scout out At Attan, ran a foul of the planets defense system and crashed.
No, the droid knew about the planet because the former pirate captain (of the vessel the kids travel in) had been there to get the coordinates to At Attin
@@Gerrieberrie76 right... When they destroyed and pillaged At Ackron.
Ah good ole Abe. Emancipation through decapitation. Great reference Allen.
They should just make a star wars series where they explore all the planets
Documentary style with Attenborough as a droid narrating
I would so watch that!
That would be great, I was thinking it can start with that scene with Anakin and Qui-Gon in episode 1 where Anakin ask: Do all the stars have systems of planets? I want to be the first one to see them all!
Then after that the show becomes a documentary about each planet in star wars.
I think I’m gonna work on that
@@fazbrogaming7776 exactly what i was thinking, a documentary style show
So while operation cinder is a good call, and staying within that ball park, it's possible (my running theory at the moment) that the satellites around atakren looks like the cinder satellites because the operation cinder satellites were based on older republic technology.
You said that the satellites in cinder could cause mega storms on a planet... But hypothetically, what would such satellites do if they were inverted, their needle points pointing AWAY from the planet? - could they possibly attract enough particles and gases to envelop a planet in a small artificially generated nebula? We don't see a massive big nebula covering Atakren like we do ataten, but you can see a nebula (or greeny-blue gases) near it (you also see red flashing lights in the orbit of Ataten, so these satellites may be present around that planet aswell). So, in this scenario it's possible that PALPATINE repurposed old republic technology to create the operation cinder satellites because, he saw the devastation that these jewel-world clocking satellites could cause when they were targeting the planet they were meant to protect (it's also very sith - turn a tool created to protect into a tool for destruction). So that would meant that the devastation could have happened faaaar before the reign of PALPATINE (possibly even before the chancellorship of Velorum and earlier still). The mystery is... Who would change the orientation of the satellites and why?... King no-head?
Well he doesn't have a head, so probably not the best at making good decisions for his people lmao
I just want to say I love this thought. Thanks for sharing it!
I’m hoping this isn’t an Operation Cinder thing… just cuz it would tie it too heavily into all these other series building to Thrawn… I like this one as its own thing.
The Skeleton Crew is intended to be part of Ahsoka, Boba Fett and Madalorian crossover. Lmao
I got the impression At Attin was hidden for 1000 years. Seems messed up that they would be destroyed 3 years ago, or whenever Operation Cinder occurred. I'm guessing At Achrann was destroyed at least 20 years ago, if not a hundred or more.
There is a statue on at attin. It of the elephant looking one
This statue is of the guy in the left side of the wall mural. His clothes match the mural perfectly.
So, could each of them have been assigned a planet?….. only one survived to be a ‘utopia ‘
I think all of the nine planets were set up identically to each other, right down to the buildings. Each one was working towards the Great Works of the ancient Old Republic. I'm pretty sure that no one from the prequels or Galactic Republic or even the Empire know of their actual existence.
And if they were off the major hyperspace lanes, finding them would be a bitch and a half.
More likely all but At Attin were discovered and destroyed before Palpatine's time.
Has anyone else noticed how the droids Galen Erso has with him on Lah'mu - right at the start of Rogue One - look very similar to the droids on At Attin?
At Achrann must have been discovered and destroyed much earlier and the reason why they have a lot of imperial equipment might be the limited trade that was mentioned in this episode. They only get recent military surplus but shit hit the fan far back in the Old Republic.
The other thing is that the basic they speak at At Attin and At Achrann is apparently the same as in the rest of the Galaxy, so theoretically the planets must have been hidden quite recently, but I wouldn't count on realism with that one. The paper map in the episode 3 looked like someone in the production crew made a lot of effort for it to look really ancient.
They have a lot of what look like Nihil weapons, which puts the timeline *way* further back.
@@nevtheskid4579 Old Republic is before High Republic
@@LukiKruki You're right, I misspoke. I meant Late Republic. Thanks for the correction.
The paper "map" when he was describing it in this video reminded me of the "map" Frank Baum made for the 4 regions of Oz, except he got east and west reversed! Nobody bothered to correct it when the movie _Oz, the Great and Powerful (2013)_ came out from Disney, so they just posted it on the movie's website.
I love watching stuff and then coming here to get a very open-minded deep dive on things in the SW universe, some of which covered povs, etc I didn't even consider. Stay Awesome Allan!
I lived in Akron for years. Can confirm 👍🏾
Thank you for helping it make since. The planet threw me off with a lot of questions and mystery. Keep up the great Galactic content
I don't get why Operation Cinder would use satellites rather than just pointing all of a Star Destroyer's Turbolazers at a planet to destroy settlements.
Those satelites definitely cost some money that could've been spent better.
Satellites could be played off as communications or something harmless but low orbit star destroyers over loyal might be concerning and someone might start asking questions
yeah it always confused me as well, it could just be that they wanted to preserve the eco systems somewhat for reinhabiting, turbolasers do tend to glass everything and vaporize the oceans
Because one star destroyer can hold enough satellites to cover many many planets so just that one star destroyer can go seed the satellites at many many places. Like mines
That and by time of operation cinder star destroyers may have been in short supply
They saved up enough money by not wasting shots on escape pods that scan without lifesigns 😂
At Attin had satellites as well. You could see them in sky with their red lights forming a grid.
Ah, I'd forgotten that. But I don't remember seeing them when the starship took off.
I love the Akron Ohio reference 😆
Thanks for the review... Now I'm interested in watching the series... Keep up the good work! I appreciate it.
Looked like Operation Cinder to me, too
Well, if that occurred 3 years prior to this series, then that's not the same as these worlds being discovered and destroyed 100 or more years ago. Of course both could be true: At Achrann's society was destroyed hundreds of years ago, then it was hit again 3 years ago with Operation Cinder.
@sandal_thong8631 I think these worlds are experiments in cloning whole societies cloned, for the Unknown Region Refugees of the Imperial Remnant that became the Galactic First Order, and the Babysitter mode Droids are the teachers for these regions. It's the same people just distinct circumstances to breed a survivor race from the remnants. Same way Sidious had a droid raise Maul, so too were the Founders of these Colonies
You may be correct that's the result of Operation Cinder and a Star Wars version of the planet Kelad ( backward spelling of Dalek, origin planet of them) only missing a version of Daveros. In this rendition, they found pockets of peace and reasons to trade for the benefits of both side, inspire of going from blasters back to bow and arrow warfare.
The planet is Skako, Kaled is what the original species was called.
@@AhsokaFanboy1138 my mistake between the two
Most of video "Project Cinder was terrible." Last min of video "This happen long before Project Cinder."
About 250 years, give or take, is my guess. Sometime during the Nihil wars after the Great Hyperspace Disaster. I'd be curious why we see Imperial, Rebel, and Nihil gear, but no Clone Wars armor or weapons. That tank does look weirdly similar to an AAT without the main turret, so maybe the Separatists knew about it but not the late old Republic.
@@nevtheskid4579 Emperor is known from stealing technology and using for himself. Maybe he used Separatist specifically for this planet
Great work man
Makes sense
I assumed those satellites are what projected the barrier here, and had been destroyed by "the sith" or whomever actually destroyed the other 8 gems.
i don't think this world as anything to do with the empire. the legend implied that these jewel world were destroy long ago, probably during the old republic. and the presence of empire equipment can simply be explain by trading with outsider. the satellite are most likely the thing that once created the barrier, and the red light we see in the sky in the first episode are the satellite of that world. but we will need to learn more to be sure.
thought the hull of the tank looked more like a Trade Federation tank, TBH, even if the turret was a bit different.
The statue reminds me more of the statues of Stalin, Lenin, or Kim Il Sung from the soviet era.
Nice attention to details...this show is developing nicely
I’m wondering if it was a weapon used by the empire or sith
What if they used the orbital stations to KEEP the city in a perperual seasonal weather station? Meaning you didn't wipe them out with a CAT5 hurricane. So you have the REST of the world of AT ATTIN, is hit by CAT5+ storm every decade or so, might also explain why they CANNOT reach the outside.
Hayna: They have proven their bravery.
And the little chubby blue one… I will take him as my mate.
I never comment on your videos but the call back to Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter absolutely threw me and made me think about something I completely forgot about.
I have a feeling that Skeleton Crew will be the series that will surprisingly tie a lot of loose ends between Ep 6 and 9, and it's not just a showcase of trivias and references to the other-
IS THAT AN ARAI HELMET??
Given the ruins, equipment, and age of the adults I would say that the world was ravaged during or soon after the Clone Wars, which would be about 30 years.
I don't think those are operation cinder satellites. They look like the satellites that create the barrier on At Attin and it makes sense to assume each of these At planets has their own barrier
One thing I theorize about is that the supervisor knows about the fall of the other treasurer worlds
Thank you for perpetually reminding all of us of the good work of Abe Lincoln, Vampire Hunter Extraordinaire. Keeping preaching the good word, brother!
I thought it wasn’t At Attin because it was litterly episode 4
It was episode 4 😂
@ shoot sorry
I appreciate the reference to Akron... it's very accurate.
But Alan, there was a nebula when they first came out of hyperspace. I would be willing to bet that each planet has it's own protective nebula. Other than that, I agree with what you said, and Skeleton Crew has me intrigued and wanting more! It sucks that we only get 8 episodes p/season.
👍🏿 still have not seen 1 yet.. waiting to binge
But if you keep watching you will know what happends.
@ that doesn’t bother me.. even a sporting event.. I still get to see how it got there 👍🏿 my family hates knowing what happened in movies and such🤣🤣🤣
@@Whatchutalkingboutwillis yeah i know folk like you, your so weird but long as you dont spoil for others its your own way for you. Ya mad weirdo XD
@ yup.. i try not to if it matters
@@Whatchutalkingboutwillis thats acutaly all that matters. Do no harm.
11:08 I caught that "you've become the very thing you swore to destroy" reference. 😉
Amazing. 2 bangers in a row
Flawless logic young man.
Ooh I love this new series!
Edit: also first!
At Achrann appears to be inside some sort of nebula similar to At Attin. There are no clear skies around the planet.
I think all of these treasure worlds are hidden in different nebulas but At Attin was the only still hidden.
Also, dont forget that the crew on the ship was killed and then buried prior to the kids finding it. One of the dead might be the former captain
They did have a version of that statue on At Atinn... it was in the first episode and it was of an adult of the same species as Neel.
My theory: the pirate’s visit pulled back the curtain on the Wizard, the populace fissured into warring factions with “truthers” vs “non-truthers” and civil war raged until the present
1:17 the Florida of space
There’s literally a green nebula cloud in the pictures you used in this video…
Hopefully star wars will get better with this show and ANDOR
A good idea, but I think that the main reason for At Achrann's disastrous state could've been some great energy's failure. At At Attin EVERYTHING rely heavily on droids, imagine if some disastrous power surge let all the droids "killed", no one would be able to repair them, no communications for asking for help, expecially if the leadership had been killed (just look how devastated was the supervisors' tower). So the citizens were let to fend for themselves, and , given how heavily was the conditioning, no one was able to maintain all the services. Without someone to organize the society, probabilly in less than two generations every town fell in disarray. The structures in the orbit seems more apt to support the barrier, perhaps the system was stroke by a pulsar or a nearby Nova, that fried all the electronics, and surely this happened way before the Clone wars.
New look man!
Thank you for the correct spelling of the planet. I kept thinking they were saying "At-Akron" and thinking they had landed on Space Ohio.
In the screen shot where you first mention the satellites…you can see the green nebula gasses that theoretically would make up the barrier for this planet…unless I’m mistaken.
The pirates.
By taking out the watchtower, (and possibly at the other planets as well) the society (-ies) that never learned to govern itself (themselves) didn't.
The remnants were able to get the message to At-Attin, which shot the pirates. (No explanation of how the ship was able to fly again, maybe just an ion cannon/tractor/autopilot that disrupted it enough to bring it down quietly?)
Someone said there was a statue of someone of Neel's race in the first episode. After the first break when the school bus comes out of the tunnel there is a statue there, but it's in the background and hard to see, so it could be.
I like the idea that the statue on At Achrann could be the Emperor, Palpatine. There's a statue that's thrown down on Coruscant at the end of _Return of the Jedi,_ but I'm having trouble getting an image of it.
If At Achrann was not ruined by Operation: Cinder, what did? In my view, it might be one of the megacorporations like the trade Federation or the Techno Union, most likely when the Clones Wars reached this planet.
I really doubt it was the empire that destroyed that and all the other jewels of the republic. I do think they were destroyed with satellites similar to the operation cinder ones but more likely these were the precursor to the empires ones. My main reason is the planets are obviously from the old republic not the galactic republic or even high republic (there’s a lot of republics). But they were obviously from the old republic, and were destroyed during the old republics rain. Probably by the “sith empire” during that war, since that was the last time the republic was truly at war besides the clone wars. And their enemies had the power to do such destruction at least in legends. The planets purposes is obviously just a central treasury/gold backing for the republic currency. And went completely off the radar in attempt to hide itself after the other jewels were destroyed. But that’s just a theory…
Actually maybe it wasn’t destroyed during the old republic since the modern galactic republics symbol is on their currency…….
Well at very least before the clone wars probably during the high republic bc I think they had the same symbol. The modern galactic republic symbol did exist for like 1000 years or something so…
Are you missing the nebula in the background of the satellites shot in your own video? what did you think the green gases in the background were? Normal space??
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Also, as we can see vampires are immortal. 😳🤨
Operation Cinder was my first thought when I saw those satellites too.
I’m curious if the planet they visited is in the. Same system as At Attan? Similar layout, planets sharing the same prefix, etc.
I have a couple of theories about the planet:
The planet is in the Maw complex or the planet is similar to Kesh - where the Lost Tribe of Sith came to.
Like the theory of At Achrann being connected to Operation Cinder.
Only thing though is that At Achrann appears to have been in that destroyed apocalyptic state for a very long time.. it would have only been a few years at most sense operation cinder happened and the people on on the planet at like they don't remember what happened or it has been so long they have forgotten which makes no sense and even if it happened during the clone wars there would still be some people who remembered ...
I think they are old separatist tanks …. They did say they “traded hides for arms” with outworlders. Makes sense they weren’t able to afford the latest tech.
Well, the barrier seems to have satellites as part of it as well as you see red blinking dots in a grid. So, not sure if those were destroyed at Achrann or the cause of the destruction.
As usual I am reminding you that I watched this entire video. My allegiance is to the High Republic and Democracy. My name is Generation Tech.
It might be interesting if the quote "You can't go home again" applies to this show. If the kids manage to return home they will find that they are changed and can not go back to life as it was on their home planet. They are now incapable of fitting in what is the Star Wars version of The Village from the old TV show "The Prisoner." By the time they get home their minds will be much different and some may even have PTSD from the things they saw and did on their journey. They can never go back to life as it was. They know that there is a wider universe and it is often brutish and violent. They know that their utopia is deceitful. It would be hard to just going back to a life of being clerks and not seeing their society for the straitjacket that it is. Maybe some of them will prefer that utopian planet and do all they can to try to adapt back to it perhaps even going to great lengths mentally and emotionally to do so, but others might find it intolerable to compromise. It Makes me think of a Heinlein novel called "Tunnel in the Sky" where a bunch of teens/young adults end up stuck on a world with no civilization in what was supposed to be a short survival skills exercise. Instead they end up stuck there for several years and kind of have to scratch build their own civilization on an alien world that they have limited knowledge of. Such an experience changes them radically and when they finally do return home they don't fit in.
Ya i saw those and the first thing that crossed my mind was project cinder. Or whatever it's called from the time directly before alphabet squadron
And then this planet is possibly one of the planets that the imperial remnant went to after the empires end books to revive over a period of time to become the first order.
On the planet were the coordinates for several of the worlds
Maybe using them they could find their home world
no, palpatine had nothing to do with it. the 9 jewels were isolated during the HR, long before he and operation cinder even existed
As he mentions late in the video, the timeline doesn’t really work with Operation Cinder.
It does if then satellites create the barrier and were discovered by the empire and the empire used them to create the Operation Cinder satellites.
@ I like that. It wouldn’t be Operation Cinder, but the inspiration for it.
I do really like the new post Episode 6 canon with Operation Cinder. As much as I loved the Rogue Squadron novels, the og Thrawn trilogy, and some other expanded universe novels, the whole Empire just becoming a series of Warlords and the Imperial Remnant felt kinda lame. But the idea that Palpatine had a plan in place to burn it all to the ground if he died makes perfect sense, dude was a sick sadistic pos.
Stormseeds. High republic tech that created the stormwall
Sidious sure loved secret super weapons.
They were important planets during the old republic it's not impossible to think that the Sith back then planned on using them later as such passed on the knowledge of them to each new generation
What spaceship is this and who designed it
I think the sad thing about the Star Wars galaxy, is that the galaxy's life forms is on timer. Weather it's hundred thousands of years or millions, war and conflict are gonna turn 1 more world uninhabitable. Unless the galaxy's inhabitants intervene and terraform the dead planets themselves, the galaxy will eventually wither away.
Which on other note, If I remember right, the old republic in legends did in fact hard and expensive labor terraform during the cold war era against the Sith. It was used as a rallying point to keep a crumbling republic together, I think.
They're all crying about the coordinates to At Attin being destroyed, but all the other coordinates are intact. Just go to the same building on one of the other planets and get them there 🤦🏾♂️
I would actually think the Nihil would have destroyed At Achrann. It would make more sense, given how established the planetary conflict is, for the destruction to have occurred in the much more distant past, rather than during the late Imperial period. We know the Nihil had advanced hyperspace technology that allowed them to reach planets that would be otherwise unreachable, and we know the Nihil hated the Jedi and the Republic, which motivated them to attack Valo and Tanalorr. And this might be a stretch but the unique weapons we see on At Achrann look an awful lot like Nihil weapons depicted in the comics and Jedi: Survivor.
If this planet wasn’t a victim of Operation Cinder, maybe it was the inspiration for it. Palpatine saw what happened to it, took notes, and then just left the survivors to their fate. Because let’s be honest - if he couldn’t get anything out of them, he would NOT care what happened to them.
Also a planet filled with the decendents of high republic lost in war destruction and dispair, totaly something he would get a kick of just watching.
My thoughts have been that At Atinn was forgotten by the Old Republic, therefore unknown to the Empire. They're living in a pre Galactic Civil War ideology.
At-Attin has a serious case of Droll from TCW.
I don't think the aesthetic or social structural comparisons to Fallout are a coincidence, nor opening with the pirates opening a vault. The planets are "Vaults", complete with a supervisor (i.e. Overseer). Each one probably had slightly different cultural variations meant to see the ideal way to structure a Republic planet and to ensure that the core Republic species survive a catastrophe. That's why we see such xeno diversity on the planets and why they were kept hidden. On the other planets, the formula wasn't quite right, intentionally or accidentally, and they collapsed. I doubt the Empire or Clone Wars era Republic ever knew about these worlds.
While you make a good case, I'll say this: that galaxy had wars for thousands of years with only one thousand year period of relative peace. Until they tell us, there is no way of knowing. If this place was off the main hyperspace lanes there is no way of telling who zapped them. Could have been the Hutts because they were late with their protection money. Who knows. Like I said, we'll have to wait and see.
This episode should have just been the first five minutes and the last five minutes.
I think At Attin and its sister planets are social experiments. At Attin is "let's control it with a caste system." The others might be "let's introduce a disease" or "let's start a war."
So if you have much more efficient planet killers such as used in operation cinder, what use were the two death stars……
Palpatine had plenty of statues. This could be him as warrior, who won the Clone Wars. The gesture is right and if it isn't Palpatine, then there must be much taller statue of Palpatine as on Coruscant.
A little detail I picked up was the ship went into auto pilot as if it knew where to land…..
Are you talking into a mic with a sock turned inside out covering it? At least it looks brand new or bleached. I guess I'm ok with it. Carry on!
I hope this isnt the case. These planets seem to be lost to time and having them be apart of the empire like only a few years before the show is happening kinda ruins the mystery