Owner of a 2019 f150 5.0. I was experiencing these same issues with my 5.0. This video gave me the knowledge to explain to my local dealer to have fixed.
I had the same issue on my 2018, had the tsb and the PCV replaced at the same time from my dealer. That was about 14,000 miles ago and the oil consumption is no longer an issue. I also run an oil separator and it collects about the same amount as yours is. Good video!
Really liked the logical explanation of why the dipstick replacement was part of the fix. "The problem wasn't exactly oil consumption, but Excess oil consumption." +1
Thanks for making this make sense. My 2018 doesnt burn oil and I wondered why, based on all that i had read. Now I understand. Ford should pay royalties to you for calming most of us down!
Love my 19 Lariat! Ford replaced the engine at 50k miles after 3 visits. along with the oil consumption it had quite a bit of pinging noise upon acceleration 😳. Don’t know what accelerated their decision to replace the engine but it was quick and painless. Dealership provided a brand new f150 loaner and truck running great 11 months later with no glitches to talk about.
Checked my oil today on 2018 5.0 and noticed it was unusually low...hence leads to me to finding this video. Only 72 thousand kms on it had me puzzled. Thank you so much for this video. Ready had it in for the abnormal shifting and front rattling
After the PCM change, the engine RPM will not drop as much as before when coasting and slowing down. This causes the tranny to stay engauged longer, effectively pushing the truck forward under force. This mandates heavier brake pedal force to slow the truck. At the same time that wears the tranny more just as if you were holding the throttle open and applying the brake. Great job Ford. You found a way to prematurly wear out the brakes and tranny.
Probably the best presentation/explanation of this issue that I have seen, yet. No opinions, just facts and laid out in a way extremely east to understand. Well done.
Thank you for the info. I was considering upgrading my 2015, for a 2018. The concern for many has been the oil consumption, but after watching your video, I may proceed... Thank you again
I would recommend a late model 2019, if you're spending the money. Or just wait another year if you can afford and buy a 2020 in 2023 etc... The 2018s have their own line of issues. Lots of them sorted out by 2019.
Excellent Video!!! Thank you for that well thought out and informative presentation! I've been struggling with this issue for nearly 3 years now and fortunately I leased my 2018 F-150 5.0L Coyote. My main issue is that I would have purchased this truck at lease end if it were not for the oil consumption issue and all the potential damage that may already have been done. Like you mentioned below, your catalytic convertor became clogged. My UPS mechanic friend who was a Ford mechanic before coming to UPS checked with all his current Ford mechanic friends and recommended that I simply turn in the truck at lease end. They feel that this is a band-aid fix with potential issues coming later in the life of the engine. FWIW, I just ordered and will lease a new F-150 in June. Trying out the 2.7L EcoBoost with payload package. Excellent torque for my towing and hauling needs.
Well, I’ve had this issue w my 5.0 since 2011. Bought the oil catch can and empty it every few months. Yes, it’s full. It’s been using oil since I bought it. The dealer said all new trucks use oil. Hope to do this PSB on my truck as well. By the way has 160,000 miles on it. Was thinking of putting a new engine in it. Perhaps I won’t have to now.
@@billstriegel4357 - Reality is that NO, all new trucks do NOT use oil... My new 2022 Ranger Lariat with the 2.3L ecoboost came with the oil just below the top hole on the dipstick and it has not moved at almost 2,000 miles of as much freeway driving as possible... I changed the oil and filter at 1,200 miles and the level at just below the top hope in the stick is still there, almost 800 miles later... I have never had vehicles that just "use" oil... No...
Im way late to seeing your video but this is 100% the right fix for oil consumption. I had this done here in the states last year after the first tsb failed. The new dipstick, and throttle body tune was exactly the issue. My truck which i run extremely hard still doesnt burn oil. I drive it alot in manual mode, peg the limiter a few times a week. Race anyone i can for the fun of it and my truck still doesn't burn a drop of oil. After watching your video it helps explain what the tune actually did to the throttle body. I was told it did something slightly different from the service rep but i believe now he was mis-spoken. Very thorough explanation and a great video "subbed". Now if you have a video or have one coming out for an exhaust solenoid rattle issue let me know because ford is dragging their feet on fixing my truck and i believe thats the issue thanks to another mechanic on youtube!
The rattle you're hearing is from the cam phaser and timing chain. On the 2018+ 5.0 the engines have direct fuel injection, and the direct injection pump is ran by the exhaust cam on the passenger side of the engine. At low rpm, the oil pump is only making about 20-30psi and it's not enough pressure to overcome the load that's placed on the exhaust cam, so you hear the slight rattle. The only way to solve this is to increase the rpm, which would be raising the idle speed of the engine. You can also run a heavier weight oil (5w30-5w50 for tuned engines) and also slightly overfill the oil pan by about a half quart. This will help the vcty system to always have oil.
@@EliminatorPerformance ive taken it in for timing chain "slap" because thats what i originally thought it was but that was a dead end with the dealer. A ford tech on youtube has shown that a factory out of spec exhaust solenoid rattles under off throttle blips. Anywhere from 40mph down small blips of the throttle i hear the rattle noise the second i let off the gas. Its done it for 3 years now since it was new and has been in the shop at least 3x now for it with no resolve. They just put a shim kit between the flywheel and torque converter to fix said issue which did nothing but cause the transmission to sound like a tesla (no joke). I get the same run around story saying they cant duplicate it even though i had a tech sit in my passenger seat and he heard it, Its bullsh*t.
Master Tech at Ford told me that the mustangs 5.0 dont generally have an oil consumption issue. Why? Because they get the snot ran out of them. He said dont baby that engine.
The catch can pulls out the moisture, inevitably there is a little oil with it. In my ecoboost i typically got 8 to 12 onces every 1500 miles. Just bought a 19 5.ol thx for the info.
Ford really let me down on this one, have only ever had Ford pickups, It’ll be fixed for free of course but now when I look at it I look at it with disgust. Anywho I’ll get off my soapbox. Keep up with the quality content.
@@ssgred9169 occasionally it skips 3 and goes 2-4 or something like that, but other than that, nothing really. When I drive it cold I notice it shifts hard, but once it heats up (literally a block away) it runs great. I drive it in sport mode though, so if I drove in normal mode it wouldn't do that most likely.
Wow. Excellent presentation. I am not a mechanic, and I'd consider my mechanical aptitude to be average at best. But this was so well done that I actually understood the entire process quite easily. And it's very interesting. I am curious to know just how much less gas mileage you are getting after this fix.
About the brown milkshake color in the oil, I agree it's moisture in the oil due to short distance drive. I drive my 02 Ford Ranger 4.0L engine only 3,000 miles a year, and that's short drives, 2 miles to and from to the Grocer or to play the lottery. I change my oil after the cold season (May 1st) and again before the winter (November 1st). I don't burn any oil in my truck, which has 174,000 miles on it. I hear the best recommended engine to get in F150 is the 5.0 Liter. That's what I would get next, if I weren't so old. My truck cost $19,000 new, and I got to drive it 19 years. Most people would have owned 4 or 5 vehicles in that time span. Ha! Did you hear GMC now has a 4 cylinder DIESEL truck that gets 37 MPG ... Very interesting, worth looking into.
Yea Ford's pushing the 3.0L Diesel and also this new hybrid in 2021. They also have a revised 5.0L in the trucks too so it's technically a 4th generation coyote engine because it now has cylinder deactivation lol goes down to 4 cylinders. Worse than auto start stop in my opinion.
I've also seen several people (including myself) going to 5w30 oil instead of 5w20. A few have mentioned that the dealer changed their oil and put in 5w30. Also, the 2021 F150 5.0s are using 5w30.
Yes, just be careful because a heavier oil can cause issue with the cam phasers, as they have very fine screens that the oil needs to pass through. I've heard this could lead to the top end not being lubricated properly. Not that it happens on every truck, but it's possible.
WOW.. I thought someone was draining my oil and messing with me,, I have a 2020 F-150 5 O, always low on oil, no signs of leaks, thought maybe the yellow plastic drain plug was the problems bc I don't care for that design,, no signs of burning, and it takes 10 quarts to fill it.. you answered all my questions..
From what in seen is the new sticks are longer with a wider or expanded safe range. Top or full mark remains at the same position. Just increased the amount of oil you can "consume" and stay in the "safe" range.
Ok so we need to talk about your dipstick explanation The window was opened to 2 qts and dipstick slightly lengthened to monitor the consumption and see how bad it is before determining - does it need a cylinder head or heads - does it need a short block - does it need a long block It has 0 to do with overfilling with oil, I have a video out showing the exact aide by side differences The top hole is the same, the bottom hole is different and the dipstick overall is lengthened a bit to be able to read that 2nd qt It had nothing to do with overfilling or faulty Lube techs and simply for monitoring the rate at which the vehicle is consuming oil and so the customer doesn't freak out when they don't see oil on the dipstick
Yea these 3rd gen 5.0s definitely have a bunch of different issues, and the TSB solves consumption for some of them, so the excessive vacuum issue during decel was definitely an issue. However, there's also valve guides or seals, the plasma lined cylinders causing issues, piston rings not seating properly, and then like you said, the cylinder heads themselves. Another thing to look at is the 5w20 oil they use primarily for fuel mileage ratings. A 5w30 or even a 5w40 is best on these engines, it'll help with limiting consumption. Hell even the performance pack Mustangs use 5w50. I found that the ev281 pcv valve out of the mustang, and the TSB definitely helped with my consumption. The weird thing is, the mustang ev281 PCV valve is only updated when the block is replaced, as it's not listed in the 19-2365 TSB. As for the dipstick length, it was increased yes, but I was told by a tech that some trucks did in fact have too short a dipstick which lead to over filling the oil capacity in some trucks. It made sense that extra oil and excessive vacuum would cause consumption. I was just relaying the information I was given. They did for sure increase the range on the hash marks, but when these trucks are consuming 1qt per thousand miles/kms it's not hard to track consumption. What's not mentioned in this video, is about 150kms after I posted this, I had to replace the catalytic converters under warranty because they were completely fouled. This truck still only has 15,000kms (9300 miles) on it. I read that Motorcraft 5w30 would not void my power train warranty, as it's warranty approved for this engine, but I'm wondering if a 5w40 would? Maybe you can answer that one. I'm trying to get the most out of this engine, but I do have a 10yr ultimate warranty, so I'm not worried if it ends up needing a block down the road.
My 2018 has the oil consumption issue. At 20,000 Ford installed a new engine, it consumes just as much oil as the old. I too, received the new dipstick, it's 7/16" longer than the old one. The full mark is the same distance from the top of the dipstick, meaning the 8.8 quart mark is in the same spot in the crank case. The distance between the hash marks is now twice as long, it's now 2 quarts between the full and low mark rather than one quart. Ford hasn't fixed anything, they just want you feel better when you pull the dipstick out and see oil on the hash marks rather than below them. In the TSB that called for my engine to be changed, Ford defines excessive consumption as 1 quart or more in 3,000 miles. Both my old engine and the new one a quart every 2,500 miles. I now have 20,000 on the second engine and am due for an oil change, it's just below the low mark on the dipstick, two quarts low. If I had the original dipstick, I might see oil at the very tip, or not at all at two quarts low. Ford tells me its now OK to be two quarts low, I guess changing engines cuts into the executives bonuses. I believe the vacuum issue, is only an issue because of the coated cylinders. Sure it's pulling oil past the rings, but only because the rings don't do a very good job against the coated cylinders. If the longer dipstick makes you fell better, good for you. It just irritates me.
Same thing with my 2018 f150 coyote. I found the issue when I serviced the engine at the first oil change. There was hardly any oil in it!!! Ford replaced the motor and the new motor used just as much as the first motor. More than 1 qt per 2500 miles. Ford was going to replace the motor again and I decided to do the lemon law and Ford bought it back. I bought a raptor with the eco boost and no oil burning issues. I’m convinced it’s a problem with the plasma coated cylinders. The problem showed up when they went to plasma coated cylinders.
I own a 2019 F150 that I purchased about seven months ago and I am experiencing this problem. First of all great video and it is very informative. I purchased the truck when it had about 37,000 miles on it and I’m now at about 45,000 miles. The Chevy dealer that I purchased it from changed the oil right before I purchased it. I noticed that before my first oil change the oil was low, but thought they may have just underfilled it. I don’t recall how much I put in it at the time. Today I am about 1000 miles until my next oil change and I noticed that my oil was almost a quart and a half low so I started researching this. I do not have any sort of extended warranty on my truck, so I am left scratching my head as to what to do. The local Ford dealer in my area has not been the best to deal with on things from past experience, which is a long story. Bottom line, I have owned two F150s with a 3.5 L turbo V6 and never had an issue. This is my second F150 with a 5.0 L V8. I kept the first one three weeks and had to send it back because of major issues and swapped it for my second 3.5 L turbo V6. I checked and Ford does not have any recalls on this of course. My concerns are what are the long-term effects of this on the engine? Second, how much is a dealer going to charge me to do this repair that technically should be a recall. Just wondering if anyone else out there is out from under warranty and having to deal with this or has dealt with it?
The tsb is covered under warranty, so I have no idea what it would cost on it's own for a truck out of warranty. It would be worth calling the dealer to ask what a 19-2365 would cost out of warranty? Then you could at least get it done and try it. Oil consumption will eventually foul the catalytic converters as well as foul the spark plugs over time
@@EliminatorPerformance Good to know! Thank you for the information. I will report back when I get the repairs done to let everyone know what the out of pocket cost is.
Had the repair done today and my power train warranty covered the repair. They did install the new dipstick, software update, and an oil change. I was right at time for an oil change so I basically got the oil change for free. I will check back in after I drive it for a while to see if it still consumes oil. I will be in stalling an oil separator as well.
I stumbled upon this video and found it very intriguing and interesting to listen to the explanation of the oil consumption issue! What you say exactly makes sense! I have an 2018 F-150, but mine is a wimp 2.7 liter V6 🙂
I'm a GM at a multi care oil change and we only fill to the manufacturers recommended value. I'm going through the same oil consumption issue. Ford is trying to figure out the problem as I'm watching this. Good luck everyone.
exactly 5.0 coyote is solid ..buy 5.0 lots of power , gets decent mpg . 2.7 and 3.5 may bet better MPG but More parts, turbos, controllers, lines , gasket areas, etc etc etc etc to motor the more links their are to fail~real simple, and turbos are major failure points , hot city / driving conditions eat them, doesnt matter how much extra cooling etc , If you buy ford the 5.0 over this motor is better in long run even though it drinks more gas, the cost of broken 2.7/ 3.5 repairs exceeds gas mileage/ costs of 5.0 coyote
EXCELLENT VIDEO!!!! I was just 3 quarts low. But now everything makes sense. I thought I was BURNING it off in a sense. But I was using my shifter to keep higher RPMS. Not I know how the PCV works.
I'm getting the same issue with my 2021. Exactly the same amount of oil missing. I've gone thru 3qts of oil during the first 8000km. They said there's a TSB which I'm thinking its the same one. Thanks for the info. I'll be mentioning that TSB for sure. Thanks for the info.
This TSB should only be for the 2018-2020 as the 21 had a redesign. 2021 has gen4 coyote engine. Also, did you check the oil level when you got the truck? I had my oil changed at dealership and they only filled it to above the add mark, so I ended up adding another quart. If I wouldn't have looked, then checked a month later or something I would've thought I had consumption again.
@@EliminatorPerformance yes you’re right but it’s a start. Makes the most sense to me. I didn’t check when we first picked it up. About 2500km a low oil level popped up. I checked it and it was low. I added a qt and and all was good. It came up again at around 5000km, again another qt. It popped up again 2 more times and only need to add 1/2qt each time. The dealer is coming to pick up the truck tomorrow to start the first step of the TBS. my wife works at the warehouse in Brampton. She just found the dipstick in stock. She measured the overall length of it. I’ll compare it with the one in the truck when she gets home. (Man that was hard to keep that clean! LOL)
Yea I hear you, it's BS to deal with but hopefully they get yours sorted. Honestly the 1st person who I've heard has oil consumption on a 21, but I'm sure it's always possible. Hopefully it's a quick fix! Mine still running good, as always I'll keep everyone updated m
@@EliminatorPerformance Their notes, unnormal amount of oil passing valve. they cleaned it and swapped out the PCV valve and the hose. PCM update for low oil warning. They also, at Ford's instructions, to remark the oil level marks on the other side of the dip stick so that it's lower on the dip stick. Sort of like the dipstick replacement on yours. To me, it sounds like there's too much oil and it was burning off. They want me to bring it back in 4000km to see how its doing. After that all got done, I received a recall notice for the same thing. LOL! Hopefully that fixes the problem.
2020 5.0 61k miles. Just changed oil after 4500 miles because my oil level was barely on the dipstick. Turns out it consumed 3.5 quarts in that 4500 miles. BTW. I already had the TSB done with the reprogramming thing. Seems like the consumption is getting worse on mine.
Yea I've heard if you don't run them hard during break in the rings don't seat properly. I was filming intake and exhaust videos early on and was running it quite hard from the beginning.
Great video. I have a 2018 F150 with the oil consumption issue. I had TSB-19-2365 performed and did not fix the issue. Since my last oil change it consumed almost 2 quarts of oil in 5000 miles. I took the truck to the dealer last week for an oil change and they marked the dip stick. Now I have to bring back every 1000 miles for them to inspect the consumption. I'm surprised the TSB didn't replace the PCV. I haven't done that and not sure I should at this point.
The PCV valve is only replaced when they perform the short or long block replacement. I'm not sure why they would change the PCV valve there and not during the TSB for the ECU reprogram to adjust the throttle body position.
@@EliminatorPerformance yeah. Good point. Interesting. Since you seem to have good knowledge of this issue, wanted to ask another question. Would a muffler swap affect oil consumption in any way? For example, swapping the factory muffler for a Flowmaster 40? Resonator still in line.
My 2018 has been thru 2 consumption tests and was close to the limit both times. It has a Ford Performance oil separator on since new as I installed in the first week. It has also had the TSB performed. At the oil change after the TSB, at 25k miles on the truck 3500 miles on the oil, there was some consumption but not a quart. I changed from Motorcraft 5-20 to Motorcraft 5-30 and have not seen any consumption. The recommended PCV was changed by Ford plus the engine computer and the revised dip stick. Been 20,000 miles on the oil weight change ….. problem gone.
Yes I've heard the 5w30 can solve it, good luck! I didn't have any tests done, I just took it into the dealership and showed them a photo of my dipstick being low before I topped it up myself. They did the TSB without question, and it hasn't consumed a drop of oil since
Thanks for this. I picked up a 2020 xlt was below double check mark. I hope this is why. I'm going to dealer in the morning. I already planned on installing a catch can . Good information Downtown Toronto Canada 🍁
@@Liquormans I recommend 5w40 fully synthetic, Liquimoly Molygen works great, I'm currently doing a 2yr oil test. I've tested amsoil, rotella, Pennzoil Ultra Platinum. Switching to 0w40 fully synthetic Pennzoil Ultra Platinum this winter to test it out. I'll eventually post a video once I finish.
Ford has made 5.0 engines for years,why do they have problems now ? Add the blowing spark plugs,and the Fiesta and focus clutches,one has to wonder - whats wrong with ford.im buying a f 150 any way,but customers deserve better ! Great video !
Im on my 2nd engine and same shit losing oil like crazy again time to raise hell again. I've already had the tsb and longer dipstick didn't work for mine. Also it's a 2018 5.0. Glad you got yours fixed.
Sorry to hear that, hopefully they fix it up. I know the 5.0 had major issues in 2018, but I'm not sure why, if you had the engine replaced, why they wouldn't use a newer gen3 with the TSB already done.
I switched to Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30, no more oil use. Between oil changes I'm still within the hash matks on the dip stick maybe 2ozs. Using Ford's Motorcraft I lost 1qt per 1.5k miles. I also never let the oil change get past 50% oil life. I've got a 19 GT. Hope this helps, sorry about your luck dude. Oh and let your engine head temp hit 140f before driving. Plasma bores take a lot longer to heat up compared to traditional stock sleeve. I'm sure you've heard of the typewriter tick some people get.
@@EliminatorPerformance I wouldn't say "Major issues" cold starts and revving the motor ito the moon is ownership responsibility. Besides compression, nothing has changed 18-20. By the time 19s came out people learned to let the engine warm up a tad before revving to the moon.
@@Hanibul_Lecktor love the name lol. I always let my vehicle's run before taking off I had the typewriter tick in the last engine. I have heard of alot of people switching to a heavier weight oil that maybe something I start doing. Im currently getting the oil consumption test done on new engine.
@@kenwilson2314 I think Palm Beach Dyno did a video at a machine shop where they explain the tick in detail, check it out. Parts designated for a certain tolerance made it into the wrong engines early on. Then they (Ford) found the bore spacing was also off by as much as .12 which also caused the tick. Those were early release 18s, quickly corrected. You've got what ever current year block was replaced in it so you're golden there. If you're hard on your motor, 5w40 is even better. Roush and RTR both use 5w40 in street applications boosted or not. I did use Amsoil for one oil change to see if it was evaporation like he's describing here through the PCV system. Since it has the highest evap tolerances in the industry. Pennzoil is 2nd to Amsoil for 1/2 the price, only reason I use it. I cringed personally finding out Pennzoil probably one of the cheapest oils on the market also makes the best oil for street use.
I got the new dipstick and reprogram but still need more than 9 quarts to hit the full hash mark - still consume half a quart every couple thousand mile - also do oil changes at 3000 mile intervals to keep the TI-VCT system happy otherwise have unstable idle issues
Perfectly normal for any truck with a v8 to burn. However if it’s low mileage it should be minimal. Lucas works great on a high mileage 5.0. The overfill can cause some burn as well if the dipstick is off, which is common across makes throughout the years.
Would it work just to change oil and filter, install the factory recommended oil and take note of where on the dip stick it is and go from there. I don't want my throttle body adjustment if it is going to lower my mileage.
I have a 2018 with the 5.0. Engine was changed because of oil consumption. I now have a 2019 model 5.0 engine This new engine burns more oil than the original. I had the same tsb done on my 2019 engine which ford changed the dipstick along with a reprogram. The shop manager and I compared both dipsticks. They are in fact the same length. The only difference is that the low and full mark are different. Instead of one litre between add and full its now 1.9 litres. I installed a catch can and yes it’s still blowing oil through the pcv valve. Luckily my catch can does what it’s supposed to do. Ford only swept the problem under the rug with a new dipstick.
I have a 2019 with the 5.0L engine and burned a half quart by 1,000 miles- I changed the engine oil then. Oil consumption went to 1/2 quart every 2,000 miles after that until 6,000 miles. Some changes were made with the truck then. 1- change pvc valve to correct updated one. 2- add Roush supercharger kit to make 650 hp and 610 lb/ft. That modification requires 5w50 synthetic oil. Guess what happened? Truck has 12,500 miles on it now and hasn't used a drop of oil. Best 10,550$ that can be spent at a Roush dealer for the horsepower and retains factory warranty Use only 93 octane fuel and mileage drops by 2mpg but all smiles here when driving!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm looking at that Roush phase 1 kit now and it's tempting! You get the 3yr power train warranty, which is nice. I have a 10yr warranty on mine and have owned it for 2yrs, so I think I'll save up for it and in 5yrs install that. I heard there's a 91 tune available as well that gives you slightly less power
Mine has 24k miles and has always consumed oil, finally got myself to take it in to the dealer and they replaced the dipstick and reprogrammed the pcm free of charge. Let’s see how it goes but either way plan on getting myself a catch can.
I have my original dipstick from my 2018 and the new one they install for the tsb and the upper mark is the same. The engine is not being over filled. The dipstick is longer and the range is extended so it allows it to burn the extra quart. Fords version of smoke and mirrors. The excessive vacuum issue is correct but the dipstick is a joke
You may not have had a defective dipstick then. I was told by the service manager that the tech had said mine had too short of a dipstick which lead to over filling. Not all of the old dipsticks are the same overall length, and there in lies the issue. This is proven by some 2018 5.0 trucks not consuming oil. Also, these engines only consume oil up to a certain point. I ran the engine for a bit and it never lowered below the level on the thumbnail of this video. But this is one of the reasons why I purchased the 10yr warranty, so I don't have any worries!
@@EliminatorPerformance well mine was earing 1 quart every 1000 miles until I hit 35000 and it has slowed down. Knocks on the passenger side and echoes through the exhaust and Ford says its normal. I'm sure it has to do with the cylinder bore liner but I have extended warranty so hopefully it grenades before then lol
@@bukkalaraha hey I wouldn't blame you for draining a bit out and running it dry before warranty expires lol ford definitely had issues with the 2018s, and yes the plasma lined cylinders but also issues with the cylinder heads, PCV valves, throttle body causing vacuum, lots of issues and still some 2020 models are affected. Now the 2021 5.0 trucks have cylinder deactivation and they call is "variable displacement" lol I can't imagine what will go wrong with a v8 running on just 4 cylinders lol I've heard they sound like crap too haha
@@bukkalaraha it’s not knocking. OZ tuning says it’s too thin an oil with the passenger side VVT. They recommend a 5w-50. I’m running 5w-30 and mine is much quieter. Gonna try 0w-40 euro next.
I have a 2018 5.0 and zero oil consumption issues. It took three re-flashes of the computer to make it drivable,( cold idle overlap and tranny management) but other than that it's been a solid performer. Well done and informative vid will get the pcv upgrade as well as the catch can mod. Thanks' and cheers.
If the problem was an overfill condition by one quart, then consumption should have stopped after losing one quart but that case with many. Consumption continued. The TSB did help some folks, but not all.
I have a 14 5.0 in my FX4 currently with 90kms on it.i run synthetic oil and do not use oil between changes.engine runs perfect.the idea of a catch can seems like a good idea after seeing what has been collected.
so your 2014 Ford f150 5.0 doesnt burn oil at all because i have a 2013 cadillac escalade ext and it doesnt burn oil at all and i like the ford f150 5.0 platinum because of how spacious it is compared to my Cadillac escalade ext 🤦♂️
My buddy got the engine replaced. The pistons were a different metal in those models and they had to change it due to different metal expanding at different times. Letting oil past rings.
I have read about the PCM replacement but it was paired with running 5w50 which helper with both the consumption and the notorious coyote engine knock....
The reprogram should no impact on mpg. The injectors are off, no fuel spray, during throttle release until engine speed drops to 1025 to 1075 rpm, or even lower. The revised throttle opening during Coast will not produce nearly as high vacuum and it usually does make vehicle lose some of the engine braking/slowing of vehicle that a fully closed throttle gives you.
I have a 2019 XL F150 5.0 and I'm having the exact same problem. I'm going to give this a try and see if this fixes my problem. Thanks for sharing this information!
great video and explanations. have 2019 5.0 bought with 13,000 miles first oil change at 19,000 and dipstick was dry never had a low oil light or anything. dealer did TSB and waiting on longer stick. now 22,000 miles and about a quart low....hoping it resolves....
Don't let the dealership get over on you I had to flip out before they admitted I was losing to much oil. Im now on my 2nd oil change with the new engine and of course it's at the bottom of the dipstick. Going to go raise hell again wish it didn't have to be that way but I can only keep my cool for so long while they feed me bullshit. I feel sorry for all the people that get screwed by the dealership they always want to say it's in spec. Nothings wrong ect.
I'm really hoping this will fix my issue as well....but my one question about the dipstick....when I change my oil I add 8.8-9 qts and it's in the sweet spot on the dip stick, then after a few weeks it's dropping- so I don't think I'm over filling to begin with? 2020 XLT 5.0L 20K MILES
Yea i measured mine out on the first oil change but it definitely consumed oil to the point i went and did a tsb, then was getting the consumption checked every other week by the service technician. Then before it was done they performed this tsb which to my knowledge fixed the issue.
My 2020 f150 5.0 was using a quart every 1000 miles. I pulled the PCV hose off the intake and machined a reducer to reduce the hose size down to 1/4 inch. Now It uses a quart every 6000 miles. So I would say the PCV system is most of the problem.
@@EliminatorPerformance I also plan on going to 5-40w. I also had an issue with front engine noise after my first oil change. I learned that the break in oil has a lot of zinc in it. I added lucas zinc additive and the noise is almost gone. Using a heavier weight oil down south is a good idea.
I have a 2018 5.0 and had a new engine installed due to oil consumption. The new engine also has oil consumption. TSB 19 2365 was done at the last oil change several months ago. Today the oil level is well below the bottom hole on the dipstick. I have also been blessed with a faulty transmission that Ford will NOT acknowledge.
Sorry to hear you're having these issues. There's been issues with cylinder heads and cylinder walls as well with the plasma lined cylinders ford used, instead of the old sleeved kind. I would go to another dealer if that's the case.
Just because something is "common" doesn't mean it's normal, these ford service managers and techs need to understand this. I can't believe how many times I've heard someone say oil consumption is normal, knocking is normal, ticking is normal, whining is normal. No, it's common, not normal, because it's not intended!
I feel your pain same thing with me new motor same problems only now ford changed what they call high oil consumption from 3000 miles to 1500 miles motor sounds like a typewriter at idle transmission is a piece of crap I would trade even for 2009 f150 I had before this pos
Perhaps time to hire an Attorney to help you with this.. I had a new, undriveable vehicle once, and they did nothing. My attorney sent them a letter on his Letterhead, and told them if this car broke down unexpectedly, and we were hurt in a resulting car crash, he was going to sue the crap out of them forever... And, if they did not fix this immediately, he was going to sue them to buy the defective, dangerous to drive car back, and pay more for loss of time, etc... The dealer brought a guy down from Dearborn, Mich from the Buick Factory and they absolutely found and solved the problem... I never let the Dealer tell me stupid lying stuff.. When they do, time to get legal on them and they comply... It will always be about $$$.. What is less expensive? Fix the vehicle NOW? Have to go to Court and Lose your A$$, and have to pay huge $$$? And perhaps still have to fix the car??? It's always all about the math -- in Their crooked favor -- or in your favor... Good luck with this !
There was another problem early on with the production of the 4 valve head. Which was with the valve spring. Which is a beehive one. And if it was laid on a table on a table, it would wobble. Long story short, during installation, the spring could be installed upside down, causing a reject and removing a seal in the process. Then, picking up another spring, which would be installed without a valve seal.
I had three oil consumption test and all the TSB ‘s done. At 24,000 miles mine is still consuming oil. I also have off throttle rattle and what sounds like spark knock at low speeds going up hills. Went through corporate before the last oil consumption test. Dealership said it’s all fixed and fine now but obviously it’s not. I’m not doing another oil consumption test. Hopefully corporate will buy this thing back
Well done video bro my son is considering buying a 2018 or 2019 and his concern was the consumption of oil on this motor while we know how to fix it now so big props to you man good job
Stay tuned to the channel, next couple weeks and I'll be uploading an update video. I'm actually in the process of filming part of it today! Ill be talking about all the issues that contribute to oil consumption on these engines, as well as what oil, filter and spark plugs I'll be running
I had this problem also on my 2018 . I did a compression test and leak test , found that cylinders 2 and 3 were out of around and low compression, the fix , through my warranty is a new 5.0 long block , , u do have jump through the hoops of before u get ur new engine .
Excellent video and extremely informative. I do have one question, do you know how long the original dip stick was compared to the new one they replaced it with? This way people would be able to check and maybe they would have the correct one installed from the factory. Thanks for the info and keep up the good work. I look forward to following you.
From what I've researched, ford extended the dipstick to a 1.9L or 2qt range, where as before it was only 1qt range. Supposedly the top full mark is the same, it's just simply a longer dipstick. I would highly recommend the 19-2365 TSB and ask for it to be covered under warranty even if your truck is out of warranty.
@@zachis4wheeling that's the tricky part, they should at least do the 19-2365 TSB but it's not always guaranteed. I'd call your local dealership to inquire
Can you provide the length of the new dipstick provided on the TSB? My 2018 F-150 5.0 is just out of warranty and the dealer wants $414 to upgrade. I may just buy an oil catch and the shorter dipstick form Ebay but I need to check if the Ford Part No. FL3Z-6750-D is the correct part.
@@EliminatorPerformance right after i switched to 5W30 i also drove it pretty hard on a 600 mile trip, then 600 back home a couple of days later. At the time it had 25k miles on it. Not sure if driving it hard for the 1200 mile round trip may have helped as well.
Hi, Excellente, my truck is at the dealership today, hope they know what they are doing. This information is really helpful for me since always the guys there talk to women as we are stupid and do not know or understanding anything about cars. Tomorrow I will be going ready in case they do not resolve the issue. Thanks.
Owner of a 2019 f150 5.0. I was experiencing these same issues with my 5.0. This video gave me the knowledge to explain to my local dealer to have fixed.
I had the same issue on my 2018, had the tsb and the PCV replaced at the same time from my dealer. That was about 14,000 miles ago and the oil consumption is no longer an issue. I also run an oil separator and it collects about the same amount as yours is. Good video!
Thanks for watching, and glad to hear the PCV solved your issue!
Really liked the logical explanation of why the dipstick replacement was part of the fix. "The problem wasn't exactly oil consumption, but Excess oil consumption." +1
Thanks for making this make sense. My 2018 doesnt burn oil and I wondered why, based on all that i had read. Now I understand. Ford should pay royalties to you for calming most of us down!
Thanks for watching!
Love my 19 Lariat! Ford replaced the engine at 50k miles after 3 visits. along with the oil consumption it had quite a bit of pinging noise upon acceleration 😳. Don’t know what accelerated their decision to replace the engine but it was quick and painless. Dealership provided a brand new f150 loaner and truck running great 11 months later with no glitches to talk about.
Wow, you could show a thing or two to these Dealers Service Department, great thanks for sharing! 👍
You explained this better than my service guy at Ford did last week.
Checked my oil today on 2018 5.0 and noticed it was unusually low...hence leads to me to finding this video. Only 72 thousand kms on it had me puzzled. Thank you so much for this video. Ready had it in for the abnormal shifting and front rattling
Please explain the rattling . I think I may have a rattling
Thats your timing chain. Get some oil in it. @rainohhell7365
Excellent job with your presentation! You even did a kilometers to miles conversion when you described your OCI. Nicely done!
Ford is rebuilding my engine for this right now. But your video is what made me able to start the process. Thanks, brother.
After the PCM change, the engine RPM will not drop as much as before when coasting and slowing down. This causes the tranny to stay engauged longer, effectively pushing the truck forward under force. This mandates heavier brake pedal force to slow the truck. At the same time that wears the tranny more just as if you were holding the throttle open and applying the brake. Great job Ford. You found a way to prematurly wear out the brakes and tranny.
Probably the best presentation/explanation of this issue that I have seen, yet. No opinions, just facts and laid out in a way extremely east to understand. Well done.
Thank you for the info. I was considering upgrading my 2015, for a 2018. The concern for many has been the oil consumption, but after watching your video, I may proceed... Thank you again
I would recommend a late model 2019, if you're spending the money. Or just wait another year if you can afford and buy a 2020 in 2023 etc... The 2018s have their own line of issues. Lots of them sorted out by 2019.
Thanks for the update. My concern is the long term effects like the intake and converter as well.
OMG, your clarity of explanation is great!
My 2013 5.0 has 302000 miles miles on it and still runs great and zero oil burning problems
And this video was about oil consumption in a 2018, 2019 5.0.
@@bigwoodn1he's just saying his doesnt compared to the newer 2018 and up 🤣
I have a 2019 with 5.0. No oil consumption on mine...loving it!
Good to hear!
Excellent Video!!! Thank you for that well thought out and informative presentation!
I've been struggling with this issue for nearly 3 years now and fortunately I leased my 2018 F-150 5.0L Coyote. My main issue is that I would have purchased this truck at lease end if it were not for the oil consumption issue and all the potential damage that may already have been done. Like you mentioned below, your catalytic convertor became clogged. My UPS mechanic friend who was a Ford mechanic before coming to UPS checked with all his current Ford mechanic friends and recommended that I simply turn in the truck at lease end. They feel that this is a band-aid fix with potential issues coming later in the life of the engine. FWIW, I just ordered and will lease a new F-150 in June. Trying out the 2.7L EcoBoost with payload package. Excellent torque for my towing and hauling needs.
Thanks for watching, sorry to hear about the 18, but good luck with the new 2.7!
Well, I’ve had this issue w my 5.0 since 2011. Bought the oil catch can and empty it every few months. Yes, it’s full. It’s been using oil since I bought it. The dealer said all new trucks use oil. Hope to do this PSB on my truck as well. By the way has 160,000 miles on it. Was thinking of putting a new engine in it. Perhaps I won’t have to now.
@@billstriegel4357 - Reality is that NO, all new trucks do NOT use oil... My new 2022 Ranger Lariat with the 2.3L ecoboost came with the oil just below the top hole on the dipstick and it has not moved at almost 2,000 miles of as much freeway driving as possible... I changed the oil and filter at 1,200 miles and the level at just below the top hope in the stick is still there, almost 800 miles later... I have never had vehicles that just "use" oil... No...
Im way late to seeing your video but this is 100% the right fix for oil consumption. I had this done here in the states last year after the first tsb failed. The new dipstick, and throttle body tune was exactly the issue. My truck which i run extremely hard still doesnt burn oil. I drive it alot in manual mode, peg the limiter a few times a week. Race anyone i can for the fun of it and my truck still doesn't burn a drop of oil. After watching your video it helps explain what the tune actually did to the throttle body. I was told it did something slightly different from the service rep but i believe now he was mis-spoken. Very thorough explanation and a great video "subbed". Now if you have a video or have one coming out for an exhaust solenoid rattle issue let me know because ford is dragging their feet on fixing my truck and i believe thats the issue thanks to another mechanic on youtube!
The rattle you're hearing is from the cam phaser and timing chain. On the 2018+ 5.0 the engines have direct fuel injection, and the direct injection pump is ran by the exhaust cam on the passenger side of the engine. At low rpm, the oil pump is only making about 20-30psi and it's not enough pressure to overcome the load that's placed on the exhaust cam, so you hear the slight rattle. The only way to solve this is to increase the rpm, which would be raising the idle speed of the engine. You can also run a heavier weight oil (5w30-5w50 for tuned engines) and also slightly overfill the oil pan by about a half quart. This will help the vcty system to always have oil.
@@EliminatorPerformance ive taken it in for timing chain "slap" because thats what i originally thought it was but that was a dead end with the dealer. A ford tech on youtube has shown that a factory out of spec exhaust solenoid rattles under off throttle blips. Anywhere from 40mph down small blips of the throttle i hear the rattle noise the second i let off the gas. Its done it for 3 years now since it was new and has been in the shop at least 3x now for it with no resolve. They just put a shim kit between the flywheel and torque converter to fix said issue which did nothing but cause the transmission to sound like a tesla (no joke). I get the same run around story saying they cant duplicate it even though i had a tech sit in my passenger seat and he heard it, Its bullsh*t.
Master Tech at Ford told me that the mustangs 5.0 dont generally have an oil consumption issue. Why? Because they get the snot ran out of them. He said dont baby that engine.
Oil catch can do work but you need to monitor it during the winter season as water can fill up quickly.
Yup condensation from short trips too when the engine doesn't heat up. I drain about 1oz per 5000miles
The catch can pulls out the moisture, inevitably there is a little oil with it. In my ecoboost i typically got 8 to 12 onces every 1500 miles. Just bought a 19 5.ol thx for the info.
Ford really let me down on this one, have only ever had Ford pickups, It’ll be fixed for free of course but now when I look at it I look at it with disgust. Anywho I’ll get off my soapbox. Keep up with the quality content.
I’ve been looking for a well explained what’s going on with my 2018. Very well done!!!
Thanks for watching!
@@EliminatorPerformance have u had any tranny problem my hits in 4 and 7 but most of the time switch's smooth
@@ssgred9169 occasionally it skips 3 and goes 2-4 or something like that, but other than that, nothing really. When I drive it cold I notice it shifts hard, but once it heats up (literally a block away) it runs great. I drive it in sport mode though, so if I drove in normal mode it wouldn't do that most likely.
@@EliminatorPerformance yea I leave in normal mode I'll try sport out thanks
Wow. Excellent presentation. I am not a mechanic, and I'd consider my mechanical aptitude to be average at best. But this was so well done that I actually understood the entire process quite easily. And it's very interesting. I am curious to know just how much less gas mileage you are getting after this fix.
About the brown milkshake color in the oil, I agree it's moisture in the oil due to short distance drive. I drive my 02 Ford Ranger 4.0L engine only 3,000 miles a year, and that's short drives, 2 miles to and from to the Grocer or to play the lottery. I change my oil after the cold season (May 1st) and again before the winter (November 1st). I don't burn any oil in my truck, which has 174,000 miles on it. I hear the best recommended engine to get in F150 is the 5.0 Liter. That's what I would get next, if I weren't so old. My truck cost $19,000 new, and I got to drive it 19 years. Most people would have owned 4 or 5 vehicles in that time span. Ha! Did you hear GMC now has a 4 cylinder DIESEL truck that gets 37 MPG ... Very interesting, worth looking into.
Yea Ford's pushing the 3.0L Diesel and also this new hybrid in 2021. They also have a revised 5.0L in the trucks too so it's technically a 4th generation coyote engine because it now has cylinder deactivation lol goes down to 4 cylinders. Worse than auto start stop in my opinion.
I've also seen several people (including myself) going to 5w30 oil instead of 5w20. A few have mentioned that the dealer changed their oil and put in 5w30. Also, the 2021 F150 5.0s are using 5w30.
Yes, just be careful because a heavier oil can cause issue with the cam phasers, as they have very fine screens that the oil needs to pass through. I've heard this could lead to the top end not being lubricated properly. Not that it happens on every truck, but it's possible.
5w30 is perfectly fine.
i also use 5w30 full syn penz..didnt stop consuming oil but quiter engune for sure
I think 5w30 is fine, about to throw it in again on my 19 but I have seen several people tuned and with charges that run 5w50.
I also use thicker oil on my 5.0. For winter 5w30, for summer 5w40, have over 130k miles and runs perfectly fine
WOW.. I thought someone was draining my oil and messing with me,, I have a 2020 F-150 5 O, always low on oil, no signs of leaks, thought maybe the yellow plastic drain plug was the problems bc I don't care for that design,, no signs of burning, and it takes 10 quarts to fill it.. you answered all my questions..
So you are saying that some dipstick put in the wrong dipstick at the factory. Great video, thanks.
Yes that's exactly what I was told from the tech and have read on the forums, comparing trucks some were shorter. Thanks for watching!
From what in seen is the new sticks are longer with a wider or expanded safe range.
Top or full mark remains at the same position.
Just increased the amount of oil you can "consume" and stay in the "safe" range.
Thanks for this video, I’m about to buy a 2019 5.0 and will make sure the TSB is done before I sign
It may not even have the issue, but definitely get a warranty with it honestly for the extra thousand or 2 it's so worth it.
They did TSB almost a year ago on mine and it did not work. Don't buy it.
Ok so we need to talk about your dipstick explanation
The window was opened to 2 qts and dipstick slightly lengthened to monitor the consumption and see how bad it is before determining
- does it need a cylinder head or heads
- does it need a short block
- does it need a long block
It has 0 to do with overfilling with oil, I have a video out showing the exact aide by side differences
The top hole is the same, the bottom hole is different and the dipstick overall is lengthened a bit to be able to read that 2nd qt
It had nothing to do with overfilling or faulty Lube techs and simply for monitoring the rate at which the vehicle is consuming oil and so the customer doesn't freak out when they don't see oil on the dipstick
Yea these 3rd gen 5.0s definitely have a bunch of different issues, and the TSB solves consumption for some of them, so the excessive vacuum issue during decel was definitely an issue. However, there's also valve guides or seals, the plasma lined cylinders causing issues, piston rings not seating properly, and then like you said, the cylinder heads themselves. Another thing to look at is the 5w20 oil they use primarily for fuel mileage ratings. A 5w30 or even a 5w40 is best on these engines, it'll help with limiting consumption. Hell even the performance pack Mustangs use 5w50. I found that the ev281 pcv valve out of the mustang, and the TSB definitely helped with my consumption. The weird thing is, the mustang ev281 PCV valve is only updated when the block is replaced, as it's not listed in the 19-2365 TSB. As for the dipstick length, it was increased yes, but I was told by a tech that some trucks did in fact have too short a dipstick which lead to over filling the oil capacity in some trucks. It made sense that extra oil and excessive vacuum would cause consumption. I was just relaying the information I was given. They did for sure increase the range on the hash marks, but when these trucks are consuming 1qt per thousand miles/kms it's not hard to track consumption. What's not mentioned in this video, is about 150kms after I posted this, I had to replace the catalytic converters under warranty because they were completely fouled. This truck still only has 15,000kms (9300 miles) on it. I read that Motorcraft 5w30 would not void my power train warranty, as it's warranty approved for this engine, but I'm wondering if a 5w40 would? Maybe you can answer that one. I'm trying to get the most out of this engine, but I do have a 10yr ultimate warranty, so I'm not worried if it ends up needing a block down the road.
My 2018 has the oil consumption issue. At 20,000 Ford installed a new engine, it consumes just as much oil as the old. I too, received the new dipstick, it's 7/16" longer than the old one. The full mark is the same distance from the top of the dipstick, meaning the 8.8 quart mark is in the same spot in the crank case. The distance between the hash marks is now twice as long, it's now 2 quarts between the full and low mark rather than one quart. Ford hasn't fixed anything, they just want you feel better when you pull the dipstick out and see oil on the hash marks rather than below them.
In the TSB that called for my engine to be changed, Ford defines excessive consumption as 1 quart or more in 3,000 miles. Both my old engine and the new one a quart every 2,500 miles. I now have 20,000 on the second engine and am due for an oil change, it's just below the low mark on the dipstick, two quarts low. If I had the original dipstick, I might see oil at the very tip, or not at all at two quarts low.
Ford tells me its now OK to be two quarts low, I guess changing engines cuts into the executives bonuses.
I believe the vacuum issue, is only an issue because of the coated cylinders. Sure it's pulling oil past the rings, but only because the rings don't do a very good job against the coated cylinders.
If the longer dipstick makes you fell better, good for you. It just irritates me.
Same thing with my 2018 f150 coyote. I found the issue when I serviced the engine at the first oil change. There was hardly any oil in it!!! Ford replaced the motor and the new motor used just as much as the first motor. More than 1 qt per 2500 miles. Ford was going to replace the motor again and I decided to do the lemon law and Ford bought it back. I bought a raptor with the eco boost and no oil burning issues. I’m convinced it’s a problem with the plasma coated cylinders. The problem showed up when they went to plasma coated cylinders.
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I own a 2019 F150 that I purchased about seven months ago and I am experiencing this problem. First of all great video and it is very informative. I purchased the truck when it had about 37,000 miles on it and I’m now at about 45,000 miles. The Chevy dealer that I purchased it from changed the oil right before I purchased it. I noticed that before my first oil change the oil was low, but thought they may have just underfilled it. I don’t recall how much I put in it at the time. Today I am about 1000 miles until my next oil change and I noticed that my oil was almost a quart and a half low so I started researching this. I do not have any sort of extended warranty on my truck, so I am left scratching my head as to what to do. The local Ford dealer in my area has not been the best to deal with on things from past experience, which is a long story. Bottom line, I have owned two F150s with a 3.5 L turbo V6 and never had an issue. This is my second F150 with a 5.0 L V8. I kept the first one three weeks and had to send it back because of major issues and swapped it for my second 3.5 L turbo V6. I checked and Ford does not have any recalls on this of course. My concerns are what are the long-term effects of this on the engine? Second, how much is a dealer going to charge me to do this repair that technically should be a recall. Just wondering if anyone else out there is out from under warranty and having to deal with this or has dealt with it?
The tsb is covered under warranty, so I have no idea what it would cost on it's own for a truck out of warranty. It would be worth calling the dealer to ask what a 19-2365 would cost out of warranty? Then you could at least get it done and try it. Oil consumption will eventually foul the catalytic converters as well as foul the spark plugs over time
@@EliminatorPerformance Good to know! Thank you for the information. I will report back when I get the repairs done to let everyone know what the out of pocket cost is.
Had the repair done today and my power train warranty covered the repair. They did install the new dipstick, software update, and an oil change. I was right at time for an oil change so I basically got the oil change for free. I will check back in after I drive it for a while to see if it still consumes oil. I will be in stalling an oil separator as well.
@@76williamsbh good luck Brian
@@76williamsbh what oil they pour in 5w20 or 5w30 ?
You explained this to perfection. Super interesting video. You just gained a subscriber!
I stumbled upon this video and found it very intriguing and interesting to listen to the explanation of the oil consumption issue! What you say exactly makes sense! I have an 2018 F-150, but mine is a wimp 2.7 liter V6 🙂
I'm a GM at a multi care oil change and we only fill to the manufacturers recommended value. I'm going through the same oil consumption issue. Ford is trying to figure out the problem as I'm watching this. Good luck everyone.
Well done! Thanks.
I had the TSB done last year and fixed the oil consumption. No biggie, this engine is solid.
Thanks for watching!
exactly 5.0 coyote is solid ..buy 5.0 lots of power , gets decent mpg . 2.7 and 3.5 may bet better MPG but More parts, turbos, controllers, lines , gasket areas, etc etc etc etc to motor the more links their are to fail~real simple, and turbos are major failure points , hot city / driving conditions eat them, doesnt matter how much extra cooling etc , If you buy ford the 5.0 over this motor is better in long run even though it drinks more gas, the cost of broken 2.7/ 3.5 repairs exceeds gas mileage/ costs of 5.0 coyote
EXCELLENT VIDEO!!!! I was just 3 quarts low. But now everything makes sense.
I thought I was BURNING it off in a sense. But I was using my shifter to keep higher RPMS. Not I know how the PCV works.
Had the same thing done on my 2019 5.0. Problem solved! Excellent video!
I'm getting the same issue with my 2021. Exactly the same amount of oil missing. I've gone thru 3qts of oil during the first 8000km. They said there's a TSB which I'm thinking its the same one. Thanks for the info. I'll be mentioning that TSB for sure. Thanks for the info.
This TSB should only be for the 2018-2020 as the 21 had a redesign. 2021 has gen4 coyote engine. Also, did you check the oil level when you got the truck? I had my oil changed at dealership and they only filled it to above the add mark, so I ended up adding another quart. If I wouldn't have looked, then checked a month later or something I would've thought I had consumption again.
@@EliminatorPerformance yes you’re right but it’s a start. Makes the most sense to me. I didn’t check when we first picked it up. About 2500km a low oil level popped up. I checked it and it was low. I added a qt and and all was good. It came up again at around 5000km, again another qt. It popped up again 2 more times and only need to add 1/2qt each time. The dealer is coming to pick up the truck tomorrow to start the first step of the TBS. my wife works at the warehouse in Brampton. She just found the dipstick in stock. She measured the overall length of it. I’ll compare it with the one in the truck when she gets home. (Man that was hard to keep that clean! LOL)
Yea I hear you, it's BS to deal with but hopefully they get yours sorted. Honestly the 1st person who I've heard has oil consumption on a 21, but I'm sure it's always possible. Hopefully it's a quick fix! Mine still running good, as always I'll keep everyone updated m
@@EliminatorPerformance I’ll keep you posted as to what they find.
@@EliminatorPerformance Their notes, unnormal amount of oil passing valve. they cleaned it and swapped out the PCV valve and the hose. PCM update for low oil warning. They also, at Ford's instructions, to remark the oil level marks on the other side of the dip stick so that it's lower on the dip stick. Sort of like the dipstick replacement on yours. To me, it sounds like there's too much oil and it was burning off. They want me to bring it back in 4000km to see how its doing. After that all got done, I received a recall notice for the same thing. LOL! Hopefully that fixes the problem.
2020 5.0 61k miles. Just changed oil after 4500 miles because my oil level was barely on the dipstick. Turns out it consumed 3.5 quarts in that 4500 miles. BTW. I already had the TSB done with the reprogramming thing. Seems like the consumption is getting worse on mine.
This was the best explanation and video out there I watched on this issue.
Excellent info , my friends 2018 5.0 was down 2.5 liters at his oil change so he might have to get this fix.
Great it fixed yours but they are not all alike. Some will empty the oil pan due to poor ring tension and bad cylinder walls.
Yea I've heard if you don't run them hard during break in the rings don't seat properly. I was filming intake and exhaust videos early on and was running it quite hard from the beginning.
Mine burns a quart every 2500 miles.
Great Job thanks for the information i have a 2019 xlt.
Great video. I have a 2018 F150 with the oil consumption issue. I had TSB-19-2365 performed and did not fix the issue. Since my last oil change it consumed almost 2 quarts of oil in 5000 miles. I took the truck to the dealer last week for an oil change and they marked the dip stick. Now I have to bring back every 1000 miles for them to inspect the consumption. I'm surprised the TSB didn't replace the PCV. I haven't done that and not sure I should at this point.
The PCV valve is only replaced when they perform the short or long block replacement. I'm not sure why they would change the PCV valve there and not during the TSB for the ECU reprogram to adjust the throttle body position.
@@EliminatorPerformance yeah. Good point. Interesting. Since you seem to have good knowledge of this issue, wanted to ask another question. Would a muffler swap affect oil consumption in any way? For example, swapping the factory muffler for a Flowmaster 40? Resonator still in line.
I have the same setup. My catch can oill is very black and I take short trips. Great video. Thanks
My 2018 has been thru 2 consumption tests and was close to the limit both times. It has a Ford Performance oil separator on since new as I installed in the first week. It has also had the TSB performed. At the oil change after the TSB, at 25k miles on the truck 3500 miles on the oil, there was some consumption but not a quart. I changed from Motorcraft 5-20 to Motorcraft 5-30 and have not seen any consumption. The recommended PCV was changed by Ford plus the engine computer and the revised dip stick. Been 20,000 miles on the oil weight change ….. problem gone.
Yes I've heard the 5w30 can solve it, good luck! I didn't have any tests done, I just took it into the dealership and showed them a photo of my dipstick being low before I topped it up myself. They did the TSB without question, and it hasn't consumed a drop of oil since
Look into the PCV valve for the excessive vacuum if it returns.
You're good, really good. Your presentation style is absolutely excellent. I learned a lot today thanks to you. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this. I picked up a 2020 xlt was below double check mark. I hope this is why. I'm going to dealer in the morning. I already planned on installing a catch can . Good information
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@@Liquormans I recommend 5w40 fully synthetic, Liquimoly Molygen works great, I'm currently doing a 2yr oil test. I've tested amsoil, rotella, Pennzoil Ultra Platinum. Switching to 0w40 fully synthetic Pennzoil Ultra Platinum this winter to test it out. I'll eventually post a video once I finish.
Very well explained and demonstrated! 👍
Ford has made 5.0 engines for years,why do they have problems now ? Add the blowing spark plugs,and the Fiesta and focus clutches,one has to wonder - whats wrong with ford.im buying a f 150 any way,but customers deserve better ! Great video !
Im on my 2nd engine and same shit losing oil like crazy again time to raise hell again. I've already had the tsb and longer dipstick didn't work for mine. Also it's a 2018 5.0. Glad you got yours fixed.
Sorry to hear that, hopefully they fix it up. I know the 5.0 had major issues in 2018, but I'm not sure why, if you had the engine replaced, why they wouldn't use a newer gen3 with the TSB already done.
I switched to Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30, no more oil use. Between oil changes I'm still within the hash matks on the dip stick maybe 2ozs. Using Ford's Motorcraft I lost 1qt per 1.5k miles. I also never let the oil change get past 50% oil life. I've got a 19 GT. Hope this helps, sorry about your luck dude. Oh and let your engine head temp hit 140f before driving. Plasma bores take a lot longer to heat up compared to traditional stock sleeve. I'm sure you've heard of the typewriter tick some people get.
@@EliminatorPerformance I wouldn't say "Major issues" cold starts and revving the motor ito the moon is ownership responsibility. Besides compression, nothing has changed 18-20. By the time 19s came out people learned to let the engine warm up a tad before revving to the moon.
@@Hanibul_Lecktor love the name lol. I always let my vehicle's run before taking off I had the typewriter tick in the last engine. I have heard of alot of people switching to a heavier weight oil that maybe something I start doing. Im currently getting the oil consumption test done on new engine.
@@kenwilson2314 I think Palm Beach Dyno did a video at a machine shop where they explain the tick in detail, check it out. Parts designated for a certain tolerance made it into the wrong engines early on. Then they (Ford) found the bore spacing was also off by as much as .12 which also caused the tick. Those were early release 18s, quickly corrected. You've got what ever current year block was replaced in it so you're golden there. If you're hard on your motor, 5w40 is even better. Roush and RTR both use 5w40 in street applications boosted or not. I did use Amsoil for one oil change to see if it was evaporation like he's describing here through the PCV system. Since it has the highest evap tolerances in the industry. Pennzoil is 2nd to Amsoil for 1/2 the price, only reason I use it. I cringed personally finding out Pennzoil probably one of the cheapest oils on the market also makes the best oil for street use.
Excellent Explanation! Thank you for sharing your expertise.
Best explanation of the process of "oil consumption" On a 5.0 coyote.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the best explanation I've heard yet👍
Thanks for watching!
I got the new dipstick and reprogram but still need more than 9 quarts to hit the full hash mark - still consume half a quart every couple thousand mile - also do oil changes at 3000 mile intervals to keep the TI-VCT system happy otherwise have unstable idle issues
Perfectly normal for any truck with a v8 to burn. However if it’s low mileage it should be minimal. Lucas works great on a high mileage 5.0. The overfill can cause some burn as well if the dipstick is off, which is common across makes throughout the years.
Install a catch can, run a good synthetic 30 or 40 weight oil. You're welcome.
Would it work just to change oil and filter, install the factory recommended oil and take note of where on the dip stick it is and go from there. I don't want my throttle body adjustment if it is going to lower my mileage.
I have a 2018 with the 5.0. Engine was changed because of oil consumption. I now have a 2019 model 5.0 engine This new engine burns more oil than the original. I had the same tsb done on my 2019 engine which ford changed the dipstick along with a reprogram. The shop manager and I compared both dipsticks. They are in fact the same length. The only difference is that the low and full mark are different. Instead of one litre between add and full its now 1.9 litres. I installed a catch can and yes it’s still blowing oil through the pcv valve. Luckily my catch can does what it’s supposed to do. Ford only swept the problem under the rug with a new dipstick.
I have a 2019 with the 5.0L engine and burned a half quart by 1,000 miles- I changed the engine oil then.
Oil consumption went to 1/2 quart every 2,000 miles after that until 6,000 miles. Some changes were made
with the truck then. 1- change pvc valve to correct updated one. 2- add Roush supercharger kit to make
650 hp and 610 lb/ft. That modification requires 5w50 synthetic oil.
Guess what happened? Truck has 12,500 miles on it now and hasn't used a drop of oil.
Best 10,550$ that can be spent at a Roush dealer for the horsepower and retains factory warranty
Use only 93 octane fuel and mileage drops by 2mpg but all smiles here when driving!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm looking at that Roush phase 1 kit now and it's tempting! You get the 3yr power train warranty, which is nice. I have a 10yr warranty on mine and have owned it for 2yrs, so I think I'll save up for it and in 5yrs install that. I heard there's a 91 tune available as well that gives you slightly less power
So would using 5w40 instead of 5w30 work?
For the people that say NA engine don't need a separator,they have never had a 97 Cobra
Thanks so much for the video!! Will get the update on my truck 😎
Mine has 24k miles and has always consumed oil, finally got myself to take it in to the dealer and they replaced the dipstick and reprogrammed the pcm free of charge. Let’s see how it goes but either way plan on getting myself a catch can.
Good luck, and thanks for watching!
Any updated results?
I have my original dipstick from my 2018 and the new one they install for the tsb and the upper mark is the same. The engine is not being over filled. The dipstick is longer and the range is extended so it allows it to burn the extra quart. Fords version of smoke and mirrors. The excessive vacuum issue is correct but the dipstick is a joke
You may not have had a defective dipstick then. I was told by the service manager that the tech had said mine had too short of a dipstick which lead to over filling. Not all of the old dipsticks are the same overall length, and there in lies the issue. This is proven by some 2018 5.0 trucks not consuming oil. Also, these engines only consume oil up to a certain point. I ran the engine for a bit and it never lowered below the level on the thumbnail of this video. But this is one of the reasons why I purchased the 10yr warranty, so I don't have any worries!
@@EliminatorPerformance well mine was earing 1 quart every 1000 miles until I hit 35000 and it has slowed down. Knocks on the passenger side and echoes through the exhaust and Ford says its normal. I'm sure it has to do with the cylinder bore liner but I have extended warranty so hopefully it grenades before then lol
@@bukkalaraha hey I wouldn't blame you for draining a bit out and running it dry before warranty expires lol ford definitely had issues with the 2018s, and yes the plasma lined cylinders but also issues with the cylinder heads, PCV valves, throttle body causing vacuum, lots of issues and still some 2020 models are affected. Now the 2021 5.0 trucks have cylinder deactivation and they call is "variable displacement" lol I can't imagine what will go wrong with a v8 running on just 4 cylinders lol I've heard they sound like crap too haha
@@bukkalaraha it’s not knocking. OZ tuning says it’s too thin an oil with the passenger side VVT. They recommend a 5w-50. I’m running 5w-30 and mine is much quieter. Gonna try 0w-40 euro next.
Why wouldn't a red flag come up if they're having to put 10 or 11 quarts of oil in a 8.8 oil capacity truck sounds pretty fishy to me
Great video by the way...extremely informative.
Thanks for watching!
I have a 2018 5.0 and zero oil consumption issues. It took three re-flashes of the computer to make it drivable,( cold idle overlap and tranny management) but other than that it's been a solid performer. Well done and informative vid will get the pcv upgrade as well as the catch can mod. Thanks' and cheers.
Redlash to OEM or a custom tune? Some shifting tunes are rough I've heard, mine is great, but they don't like to run cold.
@@EliminatorPerformance That was the problem to a tee, and clunking when cold starting. Also a high idle when warm.
Bro, this was a awesome explanation. Thank you so much.
If the problem was an overfill condition by one quart, then consumption should have stopped after losing one quart but that case with many. Consumption continued. The TSB did help some folks, but not all.
Very well put together video, extremely informative. Subscribed as I found your method of description very useful. Thank you
Best knowledge based video. Great job
Merci beaucoup pour votre vidéo je vais faire la même chose sur mon pick-up 😊
I have a 14 5.0 in my FX4 currently with 90kms on it.i run synthetic oil and do not use oil between changes.engine runs perfect.the idea of a catch can seems like a good idea after seeing what has been collected.
so your 2014 Ford f150 5.0 doesnt burn oil at all because i have a 2013 cadillac escalade ext and it doesnt burn oil at all and i like the ford f150 5.0 platinum because of how spacious it is compared to my Cadillac escalade ext 🤦♂️
Good video bud.. oh to have a 5lit engine over here.. hope you and the old man are doing ok..
Old Man doing well Mick at 72 noticing a little stiffness in the joints from shovelling snow. Best to your family also.
@@waynestefinashen239 ta mate.. wow 72 and still doing it good on ya man
2018 the displacement went from 302 to 307. Perhaps they went back to a 302 dipstick and programming after discovering this oil consumption.
My buddy got the engine replaced.
The pistons were a different metal in those models and they had to change it due to different metal expanding at different times.
Letting oil past rings.
Sounds like a major PITA but at least ford found the problem and hopefully all covered by warranty for free.
Yes a TSB is covered by warranty!
I solved my 2019 F150 5.0 problem(s) 💯👍!
~ I sold it!
Done with Ford.
Me too. Toyota all the way never have any problems.
I have read about the PCM replacement but it was paired with running 5w50 which helper with both the consumption and the notorious coyote engine knock....
The reprogram should no impact on mpg. The injectors are off, no fuel spray, during throttle release until engine speed drops to 1025 to 1075 rpm, or even lower. The revised throttle opening during Coast will not produce nearly as high vacuum and it usually does make vehicle lose some of the engine braking/slowing of vehicle that a fully closed throttle gives you.
I have a 2019 XL F150 5.0 and I'm having the exact same problem. I'm going to give this a try and see if this fixes my problem. Thanks for sharing this information!
great video and explanations. have 2019 5.0 bought with 13,000 miles first oil change at 19,000 and dipstick was dry never had a low oil light or anything. dealer did TSB and waiting on longer stick. now 22,000 miles and about a quart low....hoping it resolves....
Don't let the dealership get over on you I had to flip out before they admitted I was losing to much oil. Im now on my 2nd oil change with the new engine and of course it's at the bottom of the dipstick. Going to go raise hell again wish it didn't have to be that way but I can only keep my cool for so long while they feed me bullshit. I feel sorry for all the people that get screwed by the dealership they always want to say it's in spec. Nothings wrong ect.
I'm really hoping this will fix my issue as well....but my one question about the dipstick....when I change my oil I add 8.8-9 qts and it's in the sweet spot on the dip stick, then after a few weeks it's dropping- so I don't think I'm over filling to begin with?
2020 XLT 5.0L 20K MILES
Hard to say, these engines are supposed to take 8.8 then you add a bit to "top off" but ideally they're supposed to take 8.8qts
Yea i measured mine out on the first oil change but it definitely consumed oil to the point i went and did a tsb, then was getting the consumption checked every other week by the service technician. Then before it was done they performed this tsb which to my knowledge fixed the issue.
This is the first I’ve heard of the different dipstick lengths.
Outstanding thanks for this. I just wish ford would send out this info when they know they exist
This is good news. Thank you.
My 2020 f150 5.0 was using a quart every 1000 miles. I pulled the PCV hose off the intake and machined a reducer to reduce the hose size down to 1/4 inch. Now It uses a quart every 6000 miles. So I would say the PCV system is most of the problem.
The ev281 pcv valve and 5w30 fully synthetic oil solved my consumption issue, I plan on doing an update video soon
@@EliminatorPerformance I also plan on going to 5-40w. I also had an issue with front engine noise after my first oil change. I learned that the break in oil has a lot of zinc in it. I added lucas zinc additive and the noise is almost gone. Using a heavier weight oil down south is a good idea.
@EliminatorPerformance look forward to the update video
Very well explained. Thank you for taking the time.
I have a 2018 5.0 and had a new engine installed due to oil consumption. The new engine also has oil consumption. TSB 19 2365 was done at the last oil change several months ago. Today the oil level is well below the bottom hole on the dipstick. I have also been blessed with a faulty transmission that Ford will NOT acknowledge.
Sorry to hear you're having these issues. There's been issues with cylinder heads and cylinder walls as well with the plasma lined cylinders ford used, instead of the old sleeved kind. I would go to another dealer if that's the case.
My son is going through the same thing
Loud noise on the passenger side on his 5.0
Ford says it's normal
BULLSHIT
Just because something is "common" doesn't mean it's normal, these ford service managers and techs need to understand this. I can't believe how many times I've heard someone say oil consumption is normal, knocking is normal, ticking is normal, whining is normal. No, it's common, not normal, because it's not intended!
I feel your pain same thing with me new motor same problems only now ford changed what they call high oil consumption from 3000 miles to 1500 miles motor sounds like a typewriter at idle transmission is a piece of crap I would trade even for 2009 f150 I had before this pos
Perhaps time to hire an Attorney to help you with this.. I had a new, undriveable vehicle once, and they did nothing.
My attorney sent them a letter on his Letterhead, and told them if this car broke down unexpectedly, and we were hurt in a resulting car crash, he was going to sue the crap out of them forever...
And, if they did not fix this immediately, he was going to sue them to buy the defective, dangerous to drive car back, and pay more for loss of time, etc...
The dealer brought a guy down from Dearborn, Mich from the Buick Factory and they absolutely found and solved the problem...
I never let the Dealer tell me stupid lying stuff..
When they do, time to get legal on them and they comply...
It will always be about $$$..
What is less expensive? Fix the vehicle NOW?
Have to go to Court and Lose your A$$, and have to pay huge $$$? And perhaps still have to fix the car???
It's always all about the math -- in Their crooked favor -- or in your favor...
Good luck with this !
There was another problem early on with the production of the 4 valve head. Which was with the valve spring. Which is a beehive one. And if it was laid on a table on a table, it would wobble. Long story short, during installation, the spring could be installed upside down, causing a reject and removing a seal in the process. Then, picking up another spring, which would be installed without a valve seal.
I had three oil consumption test and all the TSB ‘s done. At 24,000 miles mine is still consuming oil. I also have off throttle rattle and what sounds like spark knock at low speeds going up hills. Went through corporate before the last oil consumption test. Dealership said it’s all fixed and fine now but obviously it’s not. I’m not doing another oil consumption test. Hopefully corporate will buy this thing back
Well done video bro my son is considering buying a 2018 or 2019 and his concern was the consumption of oil on this motor while we know how to fix it now so big props to you man good job
Get a 2019 if he can, with a VIN that says the truck is built after October 2019 and you shouldn't have an issue.
@@EliminatorPerformance 👍🏼 thank for the info well do
Thanks for the video. Super helpful
Stay tuned to the channel, next couple weeks and I'll be uploading an update video. I'm actually in the process of filming part of it today! Ill be talking about all the issues that contribute to oil consumption on these engines, as well as what oil, filter and spark plugs I'll be running
I had this problem also on my 2018 . I did a compression test and leak test , found that cylinders 2 and 3 were out of around and low compression, the fix , through my warranty is a new 5.0 long block , , u do have jump through the hoops of before u get ur new engine .
I had consumption before this TSB was done, and since the TSB was done, my truck no longer burns oil! I guess I'm lucky
Excellent video and extremely informative. I do have one question, do you know how long the original dip stick was compared to the new one they replaced it with? This way people would be able to check and maybe they would have the correct one installed from the factory. Thanks for the info and keep up the good work. I look forward to following you.
From what I've researched, ford extended the dipstick to a 1.9L or 2qt range, where as before it was only 1qt range. Supposedly the top full mark is the same, it's just simply a longer dipstick. I would highly recommend the 19-2365 TSB and ask for it to be covered under warranty even if your truck is out of warranty.
@@EliminatorPerformanceHow do you go about getting them to fix and cover the costs for something like this if the truck is out of warranty?
@@zachis4wheeling that's the tricky part, they should at least do the 19-2365 TSB but it's not always guaranteed. I'd call your local dealership to inquire
Can you provide the length of the new dipstick provided on the TSB? My 2018 F-150 5.0 is just out of warranty and the dealer wants $414 to upgrade. I may just buy an oil catch and the shorter dipstick form Ebay but I need to check if the Ford Part No. FL3Z-6750-D is the correct part.
I had the TSB done, still used oil, just not as much. Switched to 5W30. Not using any now in 5k miles.
@@Jake-cz1kb I've been running Liquimoly 5w40 Molygen this summer, hardly used any oil. Will do an update video at some point
@@EliminatorPerformance right after i switched to 5W30 i also drove it pretty hard on a 600 mile trip, then 600 back home a couple of days later. At the time it had 25k miles on it.
Not sure if driving it hard for the 1200 mile round trip may have helped as well.
Hi, Excellente, my truck is at the dealership today, hope they know what they are doing. This information is really helpful for me since always the guys there talk to women as we are stupid and do not know or understanding anything about cars. Tomorrow I will be going ready in case they do not resolve the issue. Thanks.
I have a 18 built in November 2017 no oil consumption on mine it has 210k miles on it i have an oil catch can jlt i love the coyote
Nice! Yea I love the 5.0
@@EliminatorPerformance yeah im going to buy a single cab and supercharger it and strip it for racing 😂🤣🤣🤭🤭🤭💪
Awesome info 👍🏼