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Helldivers 2 - NEW Patch Nerfed SOLO Helldive (ICBM Launch All Objectives/Outposts)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2024
- "Patrol spawning has been increased when there are fewer than 4 players. The fewer the players the bigger the change. For 4 player missions there will be no change compared to before.The biggest noticeable change will be for solo players at higher difficulties."
Thoughts:
Questionable change from the Devs. Seems like if you don't play the game the way they want, they will nerf your playstyle. People who were playing solo helldive will still be able to do it... this change will mainly hurt people at lower levels trying to level up but not having anyone to play with or not wanting to queue up with randoms. Overall, still doable, but depending on the map, this could make things much more difficult.
00:00 - Gameplay Starts
01:40 - Heavy Outpost
04:34 - Light Outpost
05:05 - Detector Tower
05:56 - Light Outpost/Terminate Illegal Broadcast
07:33 - Heavy Outpost
13:00 - Main Objective
14:45 - Medium Outpost (Fighting)
17:10 - Running (Fighting)
20:10 - Radar Station (Fighting)
23:15 - SEAF (Fighting)
25:27 - Main Objective
27:20 - Running
28:25 - SEAF (Fighting)
30:35 - Main Objective/Light Outpost (Fighting)
32:48 - Running
33:51 - Launching Missile
37:34 - Extract
40:28 - Mission Complete
41:05 - Stats
#helldivers2
#new
#patch
#update
#nerfs
#solo
#helldive
"That grenade rolled at the last second, like it was trying to get in the hole of a fuckin' golf course"
Chef's Kiss.
Seems excessive, raising the patrols to this scale. They are overestimating solo players or they actually want to stamp solo play out.
Their reasoning was it's just bringing solo experience to where it was originally intended. According to them, solo players have been getting 1/6th the amount of patrols that a full squad was getting. The original intent was to get 1/4th and this patch just corrects their earlier mistake. It doesn't feel like that, but the reason they gave.
@@Not_Harvard Solo players SHOULD get 1/6th of the patrols, because one helldiver is a force multiplier. 2 Helldivers are 3x more effective than one. You can cover each other's backs, and split up to take objectives efficiently. Only one bug breach can happen at once, so it's easy to divide and conquer.
IDK why the devs can't see this.
@@leeham6230precisely. I have no idea why some people are defending this change. It makes soloing on ALL difficulties less fun and insanely sweaty. We aren’t all “helldive-solo-no death” TH-camrs lol
At times I solo due to time/RL or pugs are just too messy. Yes it's a group game but at time's I can get more done solo vs 3 randoms who are hell bent on ignoring 2ndry objectives and trying to extract or wasting time attacking every patrol over ignoring them and getting objectives done.
@@leeham6230 💯 correct
Yeah that second time the bot drop happened you could see the seaf sam rockets hit twice and nothing happened.
Devs said the patrol spawning was not functioning properly spawning 1/6th the intended spawns for solo players instead of 1/4 of a 4 person group. Still, feels like a slap in the face when seeing how those numbers play out in real play. All my buddies quit this game so it is feeling lonely now sadge. Great gameplay, keep up the good content.
Insane change, while I do appreciate the challenge. It's pretty lame reasoning. I simply don't like playing in squads of randoms on high difficulty in almost any game. When my friends aren't on I solo or duo usually...not to mention on PC in many 4 player matches you can get disconnected or your frame rate can get completely annihilated when random people run to every corner of the map aggroing everything in sight. Would've been a better more fun and balanced change to keep the spawn increase but limit the amount of heavy units still. Also there are times when randoms join my game and I might as well be solo because they're just running around freaking out 😂
Yeah, trying to force players to play the way the devs want them to by introducing nerfs and punishing mechanics has never worked out for a single game company, since the history of ever. Hope they stop.
Agree. Im a busy guy and play games to relax. Solo playing is rrlaxing coz theres a lot of things could happen in coop. Tho i love coop with friends
Maybe drop the difficulty to 7? That's the lowest difficulty where you can still get Super samples.
I occasionally enjoy playing with randoms, but it's never fun to die once and wait 3 minutes because your squad has gone through 20 reinforcements. The solo changes according to them adjusted the patrol spawn rate to what it originally was meant to be at for solo players. I don't know if I believe that.
@@Not_Harvard Yeah, they made another change in addition to that, though, where the number of patrols increases the fewer the helldivers in a game.
The exact wording:
"Patrol spawning has been increased when there are fewer than 4 players. The fewer the players the bigger the change. For 4 player missions there will be no change compared to before.The biggest noticeable change will be for solo players at higher difficulties."
Basically, "fuck you, solo players".
Autocannon now takes at least 2 shots to kill a strider. Scorcher 3 (previously 2)
I wish I could play more today, but crashes are back in the menu.
Just randomly everyone starts to leave the mission in like 2s intervals (probably crashes) and then me, new patch, new bugs
But hey, at least explosions now work like explosions
It feels like every patch there's a new batch of crashes that appear. It's ridiculous at this point.
Wow your on solo mission alone. Anyway you done did it. You won. Keep it up!
Im so glad i found this Channel , i cant hear these White Knight Comments from other Channels and People anymore . This Game gets worse and worse and all they do is praise the Devs for beeing incompetent
This really sucks for solo players but it also sucks for squads that are left with one or two players looking for others. Those of us that know that there will be more patrol spawns will automatically bounce if there's just one or two players in a match. This is an unintended consequence that AH have unleashed on themselves by punishing single players.
To those who defend the changes on solo, go play solo yourself and experience the changes firsthand. Then you can say if it’s good or not. Saying it’s justified while not playing solo yourself is useless.
How many scorcher shots does it take for a strider now?
So have you tried the buff that limits encounters?
Arrowhead out here using Snapchat A.I to make changes to their game. They’re eager to drive people AWAY from their game for having too much fun. If I wanted shitty “balancing” and constant change where change need not be; I would have stuck with fucking Overwatch 😒
It's a questionable change. Players adapt, but people who enjoy stealth in this game are going to have to try much harder to accomplish the same thing as before. I don't really like their reasoning but nothing to do but try to work with what we got.
@@Not_Harvard Or quit. This leaves me wondering "why bother". I was really enjoying this game. Why do developers continually make games worse when they had something really special. Baffles me.
Only reason people even bother at this point is because there is literally nothing else to play 😂
@@EXOWill I think they aren't used to balancing a game for this amount of players. This change felt so out of nowhere.
I'm just here to hear your honest opinion on the patch, I honestly do think Arrow Head HATES Solo players.
Let's look at the nerfs they do.
Quasar
Rover
Autocanon by making the AT STs harder to kill
Decreasing Ammo Capacity on some weapons
Increasing Spawn Rate for Solo/Duos.
Honestly it makes sense. If there was an AI that was able to become sentient and make armies. They would be very numerous and very difficult to kill. Especially if you were a lone soldier. It feels more realistic to me honestly. Great video though as always.
Patrol spawn rates were increased from previous levels when playing with fewer players. But OVERALL the most patrols spawn for 4 player teams. They won't notice any DIFFERENCE because their spawns are unchanged; solo players will notice the most difference because relative to before this patch, their spawns increased the most. The devs have stated that spawn rates of patrols for solo players went from 1/6th of that of a 4 man team to 1/4th.
Ok, I just tried an easy mission with the Stalwart, just to see the patrols. I ended up killing 631 bugs, for an easy mission. I was totally swamped with bugs everywhere at the dropship platform. It was pretty insane and I tried to run around, but there were so many hunters that I wasn't able to get away. Luckily I completed the mission.
Oh and I was using a shield backpack, so it was all me killing the bugs. Was interesting to see and the patrols were endless. They were coming from multiple directions.
Idol❤
27:04 maybe of that issue automatons and terminds can attack planets)
It's possible, but more likely that it's just bugged. With the state of this game, I wouldn't doubt it at all.
Btw have you experienced bullets bouncing straight back at you? I dont know if people are overblowing this
It's part of the patch. Bullets that would deflect off enemies now ricochet back at the person who shot. So if the weapon isn't capable of penetrating the armor of the enemy, you'll successfully liberate yourself from the planet.
@@Not_Harvard It's stupid, bullets typically don't just bounce right back at the person who shot them, they usually ricochet to other angles
If they had done that instead, I could at least understand the logic, but this makes 0 sense
@@noty4m4 they don't ricochet straight back to you or at least it's very rare.
I think previously they were just disappearing after bouncing and now if you miss i. e. hulk's faceplate with autocannon you can ses shots exploding near them or just go flying, so you are probably more likely to kill some teammates this way
Devs dictating how you play the game you paid money for... you're not allowed to play solo. You're not allowed to like this weapon, too many people like this weapon.
Unlock this Warbond and get this cool weapon... well... the weapon is too cool, we'll nerf it after you spent your super credits....
Work your azz off to upgrade your ship's fire damage so we can nerf fire damage.
Very slippery slope we are heading down. AH gave us a glimpse of their true colors. Mark my words for the future. You don't matter. It's all about their power trip that we inadvertently gave them by praising the game too much.
This is a small studio acting like Bungie already.
My issue is I cannot play multiplayer without a VPN
There for my fun ruined
Just try first. It’s not world ending like everyone is trying to make it seem
The reason for the change I think has to do with the supplies a solo player has access to. Also it’s a game they want people to play together. I thinks it’s possible to play solo at level 7 and 8. But they want folks to work together and it seems fair that the higher difficulty would push for less solo play.
I don't think supplies played a big part in the decision to nerf solo helldive. The value you get from increased number of stratagems in squad play far outweighs the value of extra supplies playing solo.
I'll still be playing solo, and I'll still be completing missions; albeit, I'm far less likely to try to fight my way through extract now. You'll see my ass on the outskirts of the map just chilling until Pelican arrives.
I'll decide how I want to play a game I paid for
@@Gemma_626 you do you. 4 year old tantrum energy is strong with this one. If they see a player drop they will adjust. If they see a player uptick in time spent your as they say in French S$&T out of luck…
@@robalberto1583 I paid my way. I'll play as I see fit. If that's a 4yr of tantrum in your eyes, then.... your eyes/ your perception
Doesn't phase me 😂
@@robalberto1583 see how that works? My money, my decision
Your eyes, your perception
😂 sigh no one should be told what to do or what to think. You don't get to voice your opinion and not have me voice mine.
this is misleading. solo helldivers did not receive a nerf. AH issued more detailed response to this. They stated that patrol spawns were not scaling correctly and instead of solo divers receiving 1/4 the spawns a normal 4 player party would they were in fact only receiving 1/6 the spawns so it was unintentionally easier. So AH was just correcting that issue. Does everyone think that the hardest difficulty in the game should be possible in a coop game playing solo??? honestly seems to me that a lvl 9 difficutly mission should only be possible with a group. There are people out there who are just insanely good, what you would call "pro" level, and might be able to solo but they are the exception not the norm. If its too hard all you have to do is turn down the difficulty. I think the main issue here is peoples EGO more then anything else.
All they would have had to do to test if spawn rate was correct was put different amounts of players in the lobby then check spawn rate. If the spawn rate wasn't 1/4th the amount from when 4 people were in there it's a simple thing to find and fix. They had years of development and 3k+ hours of devs playing to find it and they only mention it after 2 months of players soloing helldive. I don't believe them when they say it's just a fix to get the spawn rate to where it's originally intended to be.
lol the difficulty is called HELLDIVE it should be hard af. FWIW it makes for a lot better VOD. Watching you guys getting swarmed and fighting your way through is a lot more entertaining. Players always have the option to lower the difficulty too and work their way back up.
Personally, I don't mind a challenge. The reasoning they gave is that essentially solo players were getting 1/6th the amount of patrols a full party was getting. The original intent was to get 1/4th the amount, and this patch is just correcting that. I'm not entirely sure I believe that, but it is what it is. You're about to see some 1500 kill terminid games coming from solo players though. I guarantee it.
@@Not_Harvardand why don’t you believe it? Just curious.
@@Thatbeardedguy86 I'll preface this by saying I don't know how to code, so I could be wrong... but in order to test the spawn rate for enemies, wouldn't they just have to put different amounts of players in the lobby then look at the numbers? Is it really something much more complicated than that? How is that something that wasn't spotted in the years of development? There are Devs with combined 3k hours of playtime, and they just recently noticed that enemy spawns aren't correct when playing solo?
What you are saying is not true . The devs said that the balancing should be a 1:1 ratio of patrols. So 4 players get all the possible patrols. 3 players get 3/4, 2 players get 2/4 and single players get a 1/4 ratio. Before patch it was more like 1/6th. So yes they made it harder for solo players but it is in direct correlation of how they intended to be now. 1/6th was not 1/4th so your game just got by my calculations got 8.33% harder. Which is what it should have been to begin with. No wonder why single player gameplay is easier and that's because it always was. Hardly any patrols. Just bots on bases and easy to run away from. Hopefully this will make it more challenging.