I wouldn’t recommend a “kit” I’d recommend getting just a few colors for flies you plan on tying. Pick a couple patterns and colors and get thread for those. Will be less expensive and better suited for your needs
Thank you sir!! I used to tie flies 20 years ago and when moving I found a box full of my old threads and materials. About how long do you think those would last?
Well as long as you didn’t store in the sun, I think the thread might be ok. Test it with tugging on your fingers. Pick up a new thread of the same size and see if it breaks easier than the new stuff. As for feathers and such, as long as bugs didn’t get into it I think it should still be good. Some carpet beetles and moth caterpillars can eat away at natural materials like hackle and deer hair.
I found thread 14 years old I had wrote date The wax sank through all threads so ruined The non wax had rotted, and it fell apart I'm no window temp control small room Hope this helps
Hi Shawn I love my utc threads as I tie a lot of perdigones.Im able to get the thread flat when spinning the bobbin counter clockwise.The problem is that some utc colors are impossible to find.Is there another thread that lays flat?
Veevus 14/0, 10/0 and I believe 8/0 is all flat. I know Veevus the most because I use. I think there are some other flat threads as well. I saw an article a while back on all the different threads, I will have to find it and send it to you. What denier UTC are you using? I can suggest a thread equivalent.
Ok so I found the article but I think they are wrong on a few. Veevus 16/0 and 6/0 I know are round threads and they say “flatability” Is high so…. Take what they say with a grain of salt. globalflyfisher.com/tie-better/fly-tying-thread-table
For veevus (since I use it) I’d go with 10/0. It’s gonna be a little thinner but should be just as strong. They don’t have all colors either though and I find utc has more. But maybe you find the colors you like in the veevus 10/0
@@McFlyAngler ive looked on that Global page and they say the 10/0 Veevus is 110 denier.I think ill go for the 12/0 or 14/0 as they are 70 denier.Have you worked with the 12/0 or 14/0 and they lay flat?
Some do, some don’t. To be honest I’m not sure the exact denier on them. Many companies use the same system as veevus rather than denier. Check their website, they might tell for those ones they use this system with. Some of their threads like the 140 and 240 are denier.
Thanks McFly great presentation. Do you spell aught "ought" or "aught?" (LOL) My problem is I'm color blind so the Sharpie idea was a huge help. How about a presentation on whip finishing?
Thanks man, glad you liked it. I pronounce things wrong all the time, has to do with my accent. I lived in the north east till I was 8, then Florida, then tennesee, then California for a few years then in Colorado, NM, and now in texas. I’ve gained some weird accents along the way. Hahaha! Btw, I’ll work on a whip finish one for sure thanks
As someone who actually ties pike and musky flies i can tell you for big flies i use 2 threads. Danville fine mono 6/0 for bucktail and Danville 210 flymaster plus. 400D thread is literally completely pointless. I've never seen anyone use that for anything, especially something like bucktail work.
@@McFlyAngler as I read this comment again it came off kinda smug. I didn't mean for that. I do fish pike and musky on fly quite a bit, I am always trying to learn though. So if anyone knows of a use for it I'd love to hear. Thanks
@@augustonthefly Not at all, your all good. I personally have not used it either. I think once, when I first got it. I don't tie pike flies, or anything super large usually. So I just had figured pike would be what its used for. But always good to hear from a pike fisherman to know for sure. Always wanted to catch a pike or musky, but ive not really gotten to fish the north east much where they are more plentiful. I think Colorado had a few lakes with some, but I never got the opportunity to hook one.
GSP = gel-spun polyethylene, "At Semperfli they use the highest quality materials to produce the strongest, slickest and best fly tying GSP on the market."
What it sounds like is the Fly Tying thread industry has absolutely zero concern about following standards and need to get their sh*t together. Here's what he should have presented: A particular thread’s denier equals the gram weight of 9,000 meters of thread. Therefore the lighter the thread, the lower the denier and vice versa. Aught (0) size is an older, less accurate definition with the more ‘0’s” indicating finer thread. Therefore, an 8/0 thread which would be measured as 8 zero’s is much finer than a 3/0 thread which would have 3 zero’s as a measurement. So larger Aught means thinner and lower Denier means lighter.
I mean it’s a bunch of different companies, hard to force them all into a standardized system when they already each have their own. I agree it would be easier for new tiers. But it would probably be impossible without getting courts involved to force companies to change. As for explaining high detail with the threads, I didn’t really feel like getting into that level of depth. This video was for newbies getting into tying. I just wanted to get them aware of the different brands and what to look for. Surface level stuff rather than diving deep into it. I figure most people interested in the deep stuff probably already know enough about the brands and what thread they should or should not use. No question though my video wasn’t perfect. I’m human and don’t always say everything needed. I’m sure there is a lot that should be said that I missed
I totally understand, it’s not easy to fully understand. But when you go to buy just know, denier is based on larger numbers being thicker, and ought systems are based on the number being smaller is thicker. Hope that helps.
While I appreciate the video, I think you missed an opportunity to provide more valuable information. Examples - what size thread to use per hook size or type of fly. Why you would want to use a flat thread versus a round thread. And, if you are going to reference thread strength, please test them first so you can provide facts and not uneducated guesses.
I REALLY wanted to watch this video however, your frenetic, jerky and rapid hand gestures simply got too frustrating and distracting to watch. I'm sure you "eventually" covered some great material and information but..............
Great video!!
Thank you
Great tutorial!
Thank you
I'm a beginner fly tier and I was wondering if there is a good starter kit of threads to get started with. Thanks so much for the great content.
I wouldn’t recommend a “kit” I’d recommend getting just a few colors for flies you plan on tying. Pick a couple patterns and colors and get thread for those. Will be less expensive and better suited for your needs
Very nice and informative video bud
Thank you
@@McFlyAngler my pleasure
Thank you sir!! I used to tie flies 20 years ago and when moving I found a box full of my old threads and materials. About how long do you think those would last?
Well as long as you didn’t store in the sun, I think the thread might be ok. Test it with tugging on your fingers. Pick up a new thread of the same size and see if it breaks easier than the new stuff.
As for feathers and such, as long as bugs didn’t get into it I think it should still be good. Some carpet beetles and moth caterpillars can eat away at natural materials like hackle and deer hair.
I found thread 14 years old I had wrote date
The wax sank through all threads so ruined
The non wax had rotted, and it fell apart
I'm no window temp control small room
Hope this helps
What about Pearsall`s Gossamer Silk?
Never used it honestly.
Hi Shawn I love my utc threads as I tie a lot of perdigones.Im able to get the thread flat when spinning the bobbin counter clockwise.The problem is that some utc colors are impossible to find.Is there another thread that lays flat?
Veevus 14/0, 10/0 and I believe 8/0 is all flat. I know Veevus the most because I use. I think there are some other flat threads as well. I saw an article a while back on all the different threads, I will have to find it and send it to you. What denier UTC are you using? I can suggest a thread equivalent.
Ok so I found the article but I think they are wrong on a few. Veevus 16/0 and 6/0 I know are round threads and they say “flatability” Is high so…. Take what they say with a grain of salt. globalflyfisher.com/tie-better/fly-tying-thread-table
@@McFlyAngler Thanks for responding.I use 70 denier UTC.What would you recommend?
For veevus (since I use it) I’d go with 10/0. It’s gonna be a little thinner but should be just as strong. They don’t have all colors either though and I find utc has more. But maybe you find the colors you like in the veevus 10/0
@@McFlyAngler ive looked on that Global page and they say the 10/0 Veevus is 110 denier.I think ill go for the 12/0 or 14/0 as they are 70 denier.Have you worked with the 12/0 or 14/0 and they lay flat?
So Thinner threads for smaller hook sizes in general?
In general for sure
Why do the veevus threads not come with a denier rating.If for example I wanted a thin thread such a the 14/0 what would the denier be?
Some do, some don’t. To be honest I’m not sure the exact denier on them. Many companies use the same system as veevus rather than denier. Check their website, they might tell for those ones they use this system with. Some of their threads like the 140 and 240 are denier.
Thanks McFly great presentation. Do you spell aught "ought" or "aught?" (LOL) My problem is I'm color blind so the Sharpie idea was a huge help. How about a presentation on whip finishing?
Thanks man, glad you liked it. I pronounce things wrong all the time, has to do with my accent. I lived in the north east till I was 8, then Florida, then tennesee, then California for a few years then in Colorado, NM, and now in texas. I’ve gained some weird accents along the way. Hahaha!
Btw, I’ll work on a whip finish one for sure thanks
Thank you
Your welcome, thanks for watching
So you live in Durango Colorado same here I’m fishing aug 18 and 19 at lake night horses
No, I live in Texas now, used to live in Durango.
Ok
As someone who actually ties pike and musky flies i can tell you for big flies i use 2 threads. Danville fine mono 6/0 for bucktail and Danville 210 flymaster plus. 400D thread is literally completely pointless. I've never seen anyone use that for anything, especially something like bucktail work.
Good to know, yeah it’s super thick probably not necessary…. Thanks for the insight
@@McFlyAngler as I read this comment again it came off kinda smug. I didn't mean for that. I do fish pike and musky on fly quite a bit, I am always trying to learn though. So if anyone knows of a use for it I'd love to hear. Thanks
@@augustonthefly Not at all, your all good. I personally have not used it either. I think once, when I first got it. I don't tie pike flies, or anything super large usually. So I just had figured pike would be what its used for. But always good to hear from a pike fisherman to know for sure. Always wanted to catch a pike or musky, but ive not really gotten to fish the north east much where they are more plentiful. I think Colorado had a few lakes with some, but I never got the opportunity to hook one.
Good info, thanks
Glad you liked it
GSP = gel-spun polyethylene, "At Semperfli they use the highest quality materials to produce the strongest, slickest and best fly tying GSP on the market."
Semperfli does make some great thread for sure.
What it sounds like is the Fly Tying thread industry has absolutely zero concern about following standards and need to get their sh*t together.
Here's what he should have presented:
A particular thread’s denier equals the gram weight of 9,000 meters of thread. Therefore the lighter the thread, the lower the denier and vice versa. Aught (0) size is an older, less accurate definition with the more ‘0’s” indicating finer thread. Therefore, an 8/0 thread which would be measured as 8 zero’s is much finer than a 3/0 thread which would have 3 zero’s as a measurement.
So larger Aught means thinner and lower Denier means lighter.
I mean it’s a bunch of different companies, hard to force them all into a standardized system when they already each have their own. I agree it would be easier for new tiers. But it would probably be impossible without getting courts involved to force companies to change.
As for explaining high detail with the threads, I didn’t really feel like getting into that level of depth. This video was for newbies getting into tying. I just wanted to get them aware of the different brands and what to look for. Surface level stuff rather than diving deep into it. I figure most people interested in the deep stuff probably already know enough about the brands and what thread they should or should not use. No question though my video wasn’t perfect. I’m human and don’t always say everything needed. I’m sure there is a lot that should be said that I missed
@@McFlyAngler Don't get me wrong, the video was good and I did learn a lot, but as a new tyer I am struggling to know what company has what thread.
I totally understand, it’s not easy to fully understand. But when you go to buy just know, denier is based on larger numbers being thicker, and ought systems are based on the number being smaller is thicker. Hope that helps.
While I appreciate the video, I think you missed an opportunity to provide more valuable information. Examples - what size thread to use per hook size or type of fly. Why you would want to use a flat thread versus a round thread. And, if you are going to reference thread strength, please test them first so you can provide facts and not uneducated guesses.
Oh yeah lots left out. Only so much can be said in a video
You really should explain what GSP and UTC stand for. Less about different brands. When/why would you use the waxed thread?
Get to the point
I REALLY wanted to watch this video however, your frenetic, jerky and rapid hand gestures simply got too frustrating and distracting to watch. I'm sure you "eventually" covered some great material and information but..............
Ok, well to each his own. Can’t please everyone all of the time. Take care. Hope you find the right video that works for you.
First haha