That is my favorite thing to come out of the new generation of cod games. Quick drawing the revolver and getting a quick 1 tap felt so wonderful. Really hope 3arc adds it back down the road.
@@austincod21it already was a thing in mw2. Im not sure but I think they introduced it then and it there weren't any in mw2019, although I'm not entirely sure now
there has never been a Glock in a BO game, considering the last two games both had Glocks and we have WZ integration another is pretty dumb. no 1911 and no revolver is really questionable though.
We honestly might still get it. If they bring a revolver in one of these seasons, it might have a unique attachment of that grip that could be applied to any pistol. Hard to know how likely that is though. Probably not much, but it's fun to dream
Black Op2 had pretty fun pistol arsenal lol. I loved how there was a lot of variety and they were actually pretty powerful and viable in own ways(except the executioner, which was a bit too limited in range)
@kohkisparten117 man, I love the Executioner. There is a non 0% chance that I have the most kills with that weapon in the world, at least on xbox. Not counting modded stats. If someone has more kills than me, please let me know because I'd like to shake their hand. I have 31,000+ kills. It is my favorite gun in any cod ever.
The fact that with all of these videos the conclusing is that all/most of the guns are great depending on your playstyle/situation means Treyarch has done a really good job in terms of weapon balancing. I don't remember any cod where weapon balancing was so good at launch
I wish the pistols all had just a bit better core TTK, base range, and better fast mags stats. Feels like there’s basically no good reason to not use Long Barrel + Extended Mags just to make them feel more useable. I also wish the Grekhova had slightly faster base handling stats. It doesn’t feel strong enough to really warrant being noticeably slower handling.
It really is a trash gun, but I like to get close with that akimbo and 60 round mags. It's definitely just a guilty pleasure and not meant for competitive play.
you need to use akimbo.... why? cos they's no damage penalty when running akimbo for pistol but at that range? might as well use an smg lol it's not that versatile for me
And with a lot of bullets in the magazine and dealing so much damage per shot, it's real good to be using for finishing off weakened enemies. And is the only secondary who keeps up with some primaries in the TTK department. That why I think the GS45 is the best pistol in the game. It's extremely good on zombies too, with every shot exploding, one of the best close range weapons.
I think the pistols just feel too weak for core. I'm not saying I want pistols to be better than primaries or anything, but I think they deserve a little help in the ttk department.
Not a video I expected, but very appreciated! I love going pistol only in cod, and this year we actually have unique options, at least aesthetically. Definitely wouldn’t mind a buff for core though.
I have to say, I miss the pistols from BO2(or older cods.) If you were good enough, you could use them as primaries. Ever since that glitch with the 1st semi auto handgun in BO3 where you could shoot the entire mag in like a second, they've been hard capped and even with a good trigger finger, the fire rate isn't that impressive. For my preferred pistol in Bo6 though, the Makarov or the HK45.
To be fair…the Five-Seven and Tac-45 both could 2-tap reliably, and the Five-Seven had a deep mag and fast reload. Hands down the most busted pistols have ever been (and I miss it, Five-Seven only games were so much fun)
@jaxxons11 yeah I do remember that lol New pistols don't need to be that powerful, I just want to be able to fire the pistols faster. The new MW3 had a few that got close with the right trigger, but still not the same.
really like that the videos for best weapons are coming down to personal preference and theres no clear favorite or winner. Good balance of weapons we've had in a long time
I think another thing to note here regarding pistol handling is the combination of Fast Mags II and Commando Grip on 3 of the 4 pistols available. Both attachments reduce ADS time and Sprint-to-Fire time, at the cost of reducing capacity in the case of FMII. The two best options I think are the GS45 and the Striker .22, since the former is capable of a 2-hit kill, and the latter still has 20 rounds on tap. And the following is more relevant to Hardcore than anything, but you can run both the Gain Twist barrel and Overpressure rounds to substantially increase the hitscan range of your pistol, with the GS45 for example jumping up to 607.5 m/s from 375 m/s (thus an increase to hitscan range up to 30.375 meters from 18.75 meters), providing extra consistency in situations that demand it.
@@snookzilla Prob just dont got the trigger finger for it bro idk what to say i see people saying the goblin is ass too but i fucking melt with it. I love semi auto guns in cod
@@snookzillaPlus you gotta be technical when using a pistol you not winning head on gun fights at all unless the person dogshit you gorta get the jump on people and flank ALOT
The GS45 with the duel wield attachment has probably been my favorite overall. Really fun multi kill potential in Faceoff and also a great shotgun counter. Definitely recommend 👍🏻
CHF is the biggest waste of an attachment for all guns except snipers, and even then for snipers it's only better because it extends the one-shot potential beyond the upper torso and head.
I've played with all the pistols heavily in core, trying to use them as main weapons instead of secondary weapons, mostly in face off. The only one that really holds its own trying to do this is the grekhova. I was winning 1v1 fights a lot more than I expected, mostly I think due to its mobility combined with its high fire rate. Now it's kind of just a budget Saug, but it really does well all the things that gun does well.
I actually really like the GS45 the most. It feels great to use because it 2 Taps players and I actually manage the recoil pretty well. The Grekhova needs a range buff and probably even a damage buff, it's damage feels really bad. Same with the Stryder .22.
I'm the number 1 Grekhova stan, it's so much fun akimbo with rapid fire and the biggest mag possible, literally have twice as many kills with it than I do with any other gun in the game.
I loved the pistols so much in the last couple modern warfare games. I would use them as my primary weapon pretty much. It’s a shame to see how shit they are now when you’re in competent lobbies.
@ I’ll have to check later but I believe it’s called the weighted stock. It doesn’t actually do tac stance but ads turns into a zoomed in hip fire instead of actual ads
@@trentonveselka2018 confirmed it is the weighted stock. I don’t know what the code is doing but it says “alternate ads” as a pro and looks similar to tac stance when used
I actually appreciate how none of the pistols simply outclass the others, they all have their use cases. Although I am disappointed that we don't have a 1911 or any kind of revolver. No 1911 on its own feels weird.
The Makarov Pm 9mm pistol is my go-to pistol in this game, the USP (GS45) is a close second. The PM has a decent tap-fire rate, decent damage (which is a trend for pistols in Treyarch games), a fast reload and clear iron sights. It has everything i desire for a firearm: -Quick swap -Good balance of range, fire rate and damage -Fast reload
I wish pistols were as good as they were in new mw2 because you could basically use them as primaries if you were good enough. I didn’t play mw3 so I wouldn’t know if they were outclassed eventually but it sucks to see pistols got heavily downgraded
I always run akimbo on pistols because it makes it much more effective up close which is when I need it for those oh shit moments. So far the grekova and the 9mm pm are taking very good care of me.
This seems like an odd choice, but I really want to see the deep breakdown of the, Goblin MK2 my most particular interest, is running it with the Combination of the CHF Barrel and Rapid Fire, which I wouldn't suggest for most guns because of the Recoil Penalty, but I feel isn't as significant because the Goblin is semi Auto, but I've been using it and honestly it's kinda fun, I didn't like the gun at first but using that combo if you're an Accurate player really puts it I would say as one of the Better ARs. But I do wanna see what your thoughts are at some point when you take a look at it for a gun guide. I think it works really well and I have had a tonne of fun especially when you can delete people with headshots so well with it.
I always run grekhova with sniper set up ,extended mag,suppressor and the longest range barrel ( can't remember it's name ) and honestly up close it absolutely melts, the range is close to medium only but love it ! Strafing feels very good and had to some really solid get out of jail situations with my sniper built and honestly prefer it to the others
Might not be the "best" but the Grekhova with silencer, long barrel, the sprint to fire grip, weighted stock, and I like rapid fire, but my nephew uses something else I don't remember what. That's our favorite gun to use in the game it's so much fun.
After getting Diamond on them all, the GS45 is the only pistol I even consider using. It may just be bias because I love the iron sights, but the others just feel pretty lackluster.
In hardcore, I've been pretty successful with the stryder and the 9mm but man I think I took for cor45 and renetti for granted. Seriously missing those 2 guns specifically this time around!
I am almost always a HC mode player so I use the 9mm right now because it is unlocked right away. I am only Prestige 3, but my favorite is the .22 for sure. Reminds me of the good ol FN Five Seven, I love that pistol.
What would have been great is if we saw the return of Secondary Gunfighter and a BO2 style create a class where you can outright remove your primary weapon. Don't want the pick 10 system back, but just being able to opt out of bringing a primary weapon instead of wasting a wildcard on Overkill (so you can have your pistol ready immediately upon spawning/respawning instead of having to waste time switching weapons) would be great. I think the Stryder is balanced because I mean cmon dude it's chambered in .22 you aren't going to get much firepower out of that, and that means the Tanto needs it's damage per shot nerfed and its firerate increased.
@@TSPxEclipse Secondary Gunfighter for this game should allow you to swap between a single Handgun of your choice and an Akimbo pairing. So you could run with a single GS45 to ADS at targets down range and switch to Akimbo when you expect CQC engagements.
It would be good if you combined the Sprintout time and TTK to get the effective TTK and compared it with the TTK. Sometimes the best gun isn't necessarily the one that kills the quickest, but the one that allows you to go through sprint to kill the quickest.
Your 100% correct Ace. Feel like it jsut depends on the player and how they play. Right now personally been enjoying the Stryder but i like the movement and i play really fast -9mPM is also really good. Only one ive been struggling with in core modes is the GS45 but thinkn eventually ill get use to the slower fire rate
Really unfortunate to see how bad pistols are. They *feel* good when I use them but definitely hitmarker machines, bar the GS45. The 9mm PM is probably my favorite. I really liked the pistols in MWII the most tho. Great on their own and amazing with Akimbo.
I play hardcore exclusively. IMO the pistols are unfair. To fast, to much range, To fast to ADS, not nearly enough recoil, absurd recovery times. I know its a game, but c'mon!!!! The best shooter in the world would NEVER attempt a kill shot over 30 meters. A pistol that would achieve a kill shot at that range would be rare. The shooter who could make the shot would he ten times more rare. All I'm asking for is reasonable. Not total fantasy. To many players are strictly using pistols in hardcore. I know I may be screaming at the wind, but this is the only venue I have to express my frustration. Here energy my rant! Thanks Ace. Love your content. Big fan.
The Stryder .22 is BY FAR the best weapon in Hardcore, I was dropping like 3 killchains per game on Stakeout lol. Huge mag, fast reload, handling and movement, not much recoil and 1 shot guaranteed
I spread pistol use to whatever suits the class or use whatever I feel like using. I like the Stryder the most for the mag size though. I can use it as a primary okay enough with some decent flanking and being sneaky.
as a pistol main they all kinda suck. even akimbo at close range i'm getting significantly outclassed by every primary. feels bad. pistol lvling is a pain and now reward
Peaker's advantage. Blame the constant onslaught of Packet Burst and horrible netcode. In case you didn't know, when someone dies the whole match is resynced between servers and clients, causing massive spikes in ping and artificially smoothed out jitters. Compounding that with the poorly implemented 60Hz servers, and ping being a lower priority in matchmaking than player skill thanks to SBMM/EOMM, it's ridiculously easy for super fast handling weapons like pistols to get outclassed by super slow and heavy weapons like LMG's and snipers.
Honestly Stryder was my favorite in hardcore. High mag compacity, high fire rate, basically no recoil, it's just so easy getting multikills with it. In theory the Grekhova is the best in hardcore, assuming your aim is perfect and always headshot, as well as conserve your ammo well. For core though they both are underwhelming. GS45 looks and performs well in core, but the PM is best for consistency I think. Overall I think the Grekhova and Stryder need a slight buff in core, otherwise they all seem fairly solid.
To be honest, I don't have much use for pistols in Multi-player - unless its for a daily challenge, I tend to rock overkill on sniper/marksmen rifle loadouts, carry a Launcher for UAV's/Counter UAV's etc, or use my Primary exclusively and the 'pistol', like the knife (need to see if there is a controller setting to auto switch to knife with melee as I never have it equipped when 'needed'! LOL) is just something I had to equip in my loadie! That being said, I made an effort to use the GS45's to rank that up to max level - also by using it a lot in Zombies, so I could equip the dual wield (for Zombies) but I also play Hardcore so its handy to know the Stryder being worth using when its unlocked as late as it is - by which time I've usually built my 'classes' and never considered the Pistols in Multi-player as I find them useless in Core (they only help if you run out of ammo to switch to and your enemy is weak). I can only play so much core modes before I feel I'm being 'cheated' as I get too many hitmarkers but they kill in 2 or 3 hits with similar or even 'weaker' at the range you are engaging guns. At least in Hardcore, if you hit them 'first', you win that gunfight! Anyway, until this video came out, I wouldn't have considered Pistols (other than for grinding Camo's) as a viable weapon in Multi-player - other than the 'advantage' of swapping to it quicker and finishing off an enemy rather than swapping to an SMG or reloading for example. Knowing they can be viable in Hardcore as a long range sniper 1-shot but with great mobility etc, it could be fun to do a few 'pistol only' Hardcore matches and/or grind the camos rather than a tedious chore where your 'k/D' and 'Fun' take a massive hit as you 'hate' trying to get 'headshots' with a shotgun or Pistol in ANY mode and die over and over and over again, questioning why that 'shot' wasn't a headshot....
As a mainly core player: GS45 is my go-to with the Grekhova as a close second, followed by the Stryder in 3rd. As much as I want to love the 9mm PM, the magazine size is crippling imo. I'd expect the 15 round mag to be the cap of the GS45, not the 9mm. If the 9mm could have a 20 round mag, it'd probably be my go to, though im just picky. For the Stryder, i just like it because it looks like a little dinky star wars pistol, especially with the pistol scope. Grekhova is reliable, but then the GS45 with the long barrel to extend that 2 shot range is destructive, especially in akimbo.
Akimbo pistols are always among the thing ace’s cover last, I know you don’t like em, but I feel like along with rapid-fire they’re something that should be considered when making a beat pistols video
Thought the idea of pistols were, you run out of ammo and switching to your pistol is faster than reloading. Spamming the lowest recoil gun to be on target and those last shots to win.
I wish they kept the QuickDraw attachment. Being able to pull out your pistol super fast was very useful.
Probably the coolest part of MW3 wish they brought it back to
@@austincod21if they had brought it back, and kept tac stance as a default feature we’d really be cooking.
That is my favorite thing to come out of the new generation of cod games. Quick drawing the revolver and getting a quick 1 tap felt so wonderful. Really hope 3arc adds it back down the road.
@@austincod21it already was a thing in mw2. Im not sure but I think they introduced it then and it there weren't any in mw2019, although I'm not entirely sure now
@@maurogalindez3901yes it was in MW2, MW3 realistically DLC
I still can’t believe there’s no M1911/Revolver/Glock/Beretta in this game.
also can't believe there isn't a revolver or deagle, they really dropped the ball on pistols lol
That strongly bothers me as well 🤣 a black ops game not having a 1911 and/or glock style firearm at launch feels strange
It's so we can be excited and thankful when they come around in future battle passes
No Beretta M9? This is the peak die hard/lethal weapon time period
there has never been a Glock in a BO game, considering the last two games both had Glocks and we have WZ integration another is pretty dumb. no 1911 and no revolver is really questionable though.
Whatever pistol shoots me first...
Funny the seven hundred and ninety-third time I suppose…
Whatever pistol can kill me… LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Except for the stryder, that thing is crap regardless
Yeup
Amen brother
The only time pistols felt fun for me was in MWII. Wish they never got rid of the cool quickdraw grip animation.
We honestly might still get it. If they bring a revolver in one of these seasons, it might have a unique attachment of that grip that could be applied to any pistol. Hard to know how likely that is though. Probably not much, but it's fun to dream
If we do get a revolver, I want one to function like the m1 irons from AW. We need to be able to fan the hammer like a cowboy.
The revolver in that game was untouchable, amazing one shot to the upper chest was so satisfying
Black Op2 had pretty fun pistol arsenal lol. I loved how there was a lot of variety and they were actually pretty powerful and viable in own ways(except the executioner, which was a bit too limited in range)
@kohkisparten117 man, I love the Executioner. There is a non 0% chance that I have the most kills with that weapon in the world, at least on xbox. Not counting modded stats. If someone has more kills than me, please let me know because I'd like to shake their hand. I have 31,000+ kills. It is my favorite gun in any cod ever.
The fact that with all of these videos the conclusing is that all/most of the guns are great depending on your playstyle/situation means Treyarch has done a really good job in terms of weapon balancing. I don't remember any cod where weapon balancing was so good at launch
Mostly because he didn't get to the AEK
@@Adderflailthey nerfed it. But it still feels OP tbh
@@TobiramaSenju212ngl it should've been a full auto AEK akin to BF4.
I wish the pistols all had just a bit better core TTK, base range, and better fast mags stats. Feels like there’s basically no good reason to not use Long Barrel + Extended Mags just to make them feel more useable.
I also wish the Grekhova had slightly faster base handling stats. It doesn’t feel strong enough to really warrant being noticeably slower handling.
Yeah I agree with all that, especially with the point you made on the grekhova I honestly hate that piece of shit
It really is a trash gun, but I like to get close with that akimbo and 60 round mags. It's definitely just a guilty pleasure and not meant for competitive play.
@ nothing wrong with having fun tho lol
It's a hitmarker machine, sucks even in HC.
you need to use akimbo.... why? cos they's no damage penalty when running akimbo for pistol but at that range? might as well use an smg lol it's not that versatile for me
I personally prefer the GS45. With the Compensator and the Long Barrel it shreds both up close and at range
Right.
you should try it with akimbo, hit both shots. 0mm ttk
@@Newblife02 Yeah akimbo GS is super good as a secondary for a longer range gun like a DMR
And with a lot of bullets in the magazine and dealing so much damage per shot, it's real good to be using for finishing off weakened enemies. And is the only secondary who keeps up with some primaries in the TTK department. That why I think the GS45 is the best pistol in the game. It's extremely good on zombies too, with every shot exploding, one of the best close range weapons.
I think the pistols just feel too weak for core. I'm not saying I want pistols to be better than primaries or anything, but I think they deserve a little help in the ttk department.
You can 2 shot with the gs
We got used to the x12 and renetti
I just use the .45 for the hot swap kills
@habijjj Yeah, the exception would be the gs45 it's pretty decent, but I wish it was more like the P890 from MWII.
I mean.... Headshot being useless for pistols is the reason they are so weak.
Not a video I expected, but very appreciated! I love going pistol only in cod, and this year we actually have unique options, at least aesthetically. Definitely wouldn’t mind a buff for core though.
I have to say, I miss the pistols from BO2(or older cods.) If you were good enough, you could use them as primaries. Ever since that glitch with the 1st semi auto handgun in BO3 where you could shoot the entire mag in like a second, they've been hard capped and even with a good trigger finger, the fire rate isn't that impressive. For my preferred pistol in Bo6 though, the Makarov or the HK45.
To be fair…the Five-Seven and Tac-45 both could 2-tap reliably, and the Five-Seven had a deep mag and fast reload. Hands down the most busted pistols have ever been (and I miss it, Five-Seven only games were so much fun)
@jaxxons11 yeah I do remember that lol New pistols don't need to be that powerful, I just want to be able to fire the pistols faster. The new MW3 had a few that got close with the right trigger, but still not the same.
I’ll never forget running around with the tac45 as a primary
WW2 was the best CoD for running pistols only imo. You could do some nutty things with them there
@SaltDoesArt OH DUDE YEAH I FORGOT ABOUT THAT SOME HOW. Yeah I loved running around with the 1911, or any of them really
really like that the videos for best weapons are coming down to personal preference and theres no clear favorite or winner. Good balance of weapons we've had in a long time
I think another thing to note here regarding pistol handling is the combination of Fast Mags II and Commando Grip on 3 of the 4 pistols available. Both attachments reduce ADS time and Sprint-to-Fire time, at the cost of reducing capacity in the case of FMII. The two best options I think are the GS45 and the Striker .22, since the former is capable of a 2-hit kill, and the latter still has 20 rounds on tap.
And the following is more relevant to Hardcore than anything, but you can run both the Gain Twist barrel and Overpressure rounds to substantially increase the hitscan range of your pistol, with the GS45 for example jumping up to 607.5 m/s from 375 m/s (thus an increase to hitscan range up to 30.375 meters from 18.75 meters), providing extra consistency in situations that demand it.
The Ttk of the Stryder really surprised me, it always felt way faster than that…
Facts i be streading mfs with the strider in core shit has no recoil
@@MallySzn. striker in core is like throwing a rock at an enemy
@@snookzilla Prob just dont got the trigger finger for it bro idk what to say i see people saying the goblin is ass too but i fucking melt with it. I love semi auto guns in cod
@@snookzillaPlus you gotta be technical when using a pistol you not winning head on gun fights at all unless the person dogshit you gorta get the jump on people and flank ALOT
Dual Wield GS45s are the best shotguns in the game.
I hope you’re wrong. 😂 dual pythons made Cold War boring af for a loooing time lolll
Feels so inaccurate though, I miss half the shots 😂
The GS45 with the duel wield attachment has probably been my favorite overall. Really fun multi kill potential in Faceoff and also a great shotgun counter. Definitely recommend 👍🏻
Grekhova is like a pocket SMG imo, I normally use it as a last stand to beam people when my primary is out of ammo
The GS45 needs a chests multiplier so you can extend the 2-shot range a little bit more if you're accurate, like the P890 in MWII IMO
can't agree more. love the p980
I personally love the .22, multiplayer and Warzone both. It just feels great to use
I got 11 kills in wz boot camp using the stryder. Finished the game as a long range assassin with just a .22
@@Eskeletor_210 Its so accurate, its fantastic. I clap people with it in almost every beginning fight
Love the .22. Especially in hardcore. ❤
Rip to the teammate at 5:16 😭
Lol running right into Ace’s semtex
The chf barrel helps the 9mm by making it a 2 shot headshot in close range
CHF is the biggest waste of an attachment for all guns except snipers, and even then for snipers it's only better because it extends the one-shot potential beyond the upper torso and head.
@ it’s good for the 9mm and the Stryder. It literally reduces the number of shots to kill by 1
Making up my mind at 0:51 but respecting ace enough to watch the whole video is tight.
I've played with all the pistols heavily in core, trying to use them as main weapons instead of secondary weapons, mostly in face off. The only one that really holds its own trying to do this is the grekhova. I was winning 1v1 fights a lot more than I expected, mostly I think due to its mobility combined with its high fire rate. Now it's kind of just a budget Saug, but it really does well all the things that gun does well.
I actually really like the GS45 the most. It feels great to use because it 2 Taps players and I actually manage the recoil pretty well. The Grekhova needs a range buff and probably even a damage buff, it's damage feels really bad. Same with the Stryder .22.
I always liked the stryder 22 over any other pistol with the gs 545 second... after seeing the ttk I'm baffled
Once I saw the stats in game and used it I knew it wasn't competitive
@@MrKing-he3eo I mostly play hardcore so
@@vlogsgamesandpranks9007 I wish it were better in core
Greko, as I'm 62 and play HC.
Ability to track these speed demons helps with full auto.
I'm 47 same tactic hang in there kiddo
The GS45 is the best but i dont mind the full auto Grek one either
Ace is my favorite cod youtuber! Keep up the great work brother
I'm the number 1 Grekhova stan, it's so much fun akimbo with rapid fire and the biggest mag possible, literally have twice as many kills with it than I do with any other gun in the game.
I loved the pistols so much in the last couple modern warfare games.
I would use them as my primary weapon pretty much.
It’s a shame to see how shit they are now when you’re in competent lobbies.
Same. I think I'll end up playing more MWIII than BO6 this year. Better maps and spawns too.
The grekova with the stock that “tac stances” in ads is amazing. You can legit snipe with this thing.
Tactical laser, not a stock, with that laser equipped you cannot even use the stock.
@ I’ll have to check later but I believe it’s called the weighted stock. It doesn’t actually do tac stance but ads turns into a zoomed in hip fire instead of actual ads
@@Uncle19 That stock does the same thing tack stance does? Maybe I haven't used it, that's interesting.
@@trentonveselka2018 confirmed it is the weighted stock. I don’t know what the code is doing but it says “alternate ads” as a pro and looks similar to tac stance when used
I use the grekova in hardcore tdm and it kicks ass. It's like having sn smg and not having to use overkill.
I actually appreciate how none of the pistols simply outclass the others, they all have their use cases. Although I am disappointed that we don't have a 1911 or any kind of revolver. No 1911 on its own feels weird.
Thanks for this comparison master Ace
The grekhova with the weighted stock is a ton of fun. With some other accuracy attachments it turns it into a laser. Definitely worth a shot
@@RickyRyan0158 Akimbo. It's not good, but it's fun!
I run that with the strelok laser attachment and that first ADS burst is so nasty.
Yes all of the above but I haven't unlocked akimbo yet
Pistols are crazy in this game. I feel like the people being hyper mobile and then two tapping the head are insane.
Grekhova is my favorite but I would use recoil springs instead of rapid fire.
The Stryder is a BEAST in hardcore. Loved getting that gold. Headshots were easy with that thing for some reason
The GS545 is the favorite pistol of The Berenstein Bears. 😁
Berenstain**
@@DangerousOne326 **woooosh**
@@TheMerlotLine crap. What did I miss?
@@DangerousOne326 It's the GS45.
@@TheMerlotLine yikes. You don't even know your own joke lol
The Makarov Pm 9mm pistol is my go-to pistol in this game, the USP (GS45) is a close second. The PM has a decent tap-fire rate, decent damage (which is a trend for pistols in Treyarch games), a fast reload and clear iron sights. It has everything i desire for a firearm:
-Quick swap
-Good balance of range, fire rate and damage
-Fast reload
Surprised they didn't have a burst fire pistol at launch. I expect the the first pistol to get an aftermarket part for it later
I love how balanced everything is. Nothing is really broken or bad for most gun categories.
Guns are great, but perks are broken. Recon specialty needs to be nerfed again, and Ghost just simply doesn't work.
Akimbo or dual weild will help so much. Sadly ace didnt cover it
Would of been great to feature the akimbo stocks a bit.
Please do a video on the dm10 and if its factory scope has glint please
I wish pistols were as good as they were in new mw2 because you could basically use them as primaries if you were good enough. I didn’t play mw3 so I wouldn’t know if they were outclassed eventually but it sucks to see pistols got heavily downgraded
MWIII had the best pistols of the modern CoDs. They dominated in CQC and could be competitive up to medium ranges. BO6s handguns are a joke
Idc, the grekhova slaps.
I always run akimbo on pistols because it makes it much more effective up close which is when I need it for those oh shit moments. So far the grekova and the 9mm pm are taking very good care of me.
This seems like an odd choice, but I really want to see the deep breakdown of the, Goblin MK2 my most particular interest, is running it with the Combination of the CHF Barrel and Rapid Fire, which I wouldn't suggest for most guns because of the Recoil Penalty, but I feel isn't as significant because the Goblin is semi Auto, but I've been using it and honestly it's kinda fun, I didn't like the gun at first but using that combo if you're an Accurate player really puts it I would say as one of the Better ARs. But I do wanna see what your thoughts are at some point when you take a look at it for a gun guide. I think it works really well and I have had a tonne of fun especially when you can delete people with headshots so well with it.
I always run grekhova with sniper set up ,extended mag,suppressor and the longest range barrel ( can't remember it's name ) and honestly up close it absolutely melts, the range is close to medium only but love it ! Strafing feels very good and had to some really solid get out of jail situations with my sniper built and honestly prefer it to the others
The full auto pistol with the stock attachment is gnarly
Might not be the "best" but the Grekhova with silencer, long barrel, the sprint to fire grip, weighted stock, and I like rapid fire, but my nephew uses something else I don't remember what.
That's our favorite gun to use in the game it's so much fun.
Makarov: Pocket Goblin
Grekho: Pocket Jackal
GS: Maybe for last stand
22: Nice but too much gun kick
Pocket ksv tbh or pocket saug
I’d be curious to know difference between the akimbo pistols and single pistols. Especially time to kill
After getting Diamond on them all, the GS45 is the only pistol I even consider using. It may just be bias because I love the iron sights, but the others just feel pretty lackluster.
The one you start with in classic zombies
In hardcore, I've been pretty successful with the stryder and the 9mm but man I think I took for cor45 and renetti for granted. Seriously missing those 2 guns specifically this time around!
I am almost always a HC mode player so I use the 9mm right now because it is unlocked right away. I am only Prestige 3, but my favorite is the .22 for sure. Reminds me of the good ol FN Five Seven, I love that pistol.
What would have been great is if we saw the return of Secondary Gunfighter and a BO2 style create a class where you can outright remove your primary weapon. Don't want the pick 10 system back, but just being able to opt out of bringing a primary weapon instead of wasting a wildcard on Overkill (so you can have your pistol ready immediately upon spawning/respawning instead of having to waste time switching weapons) would be great. I think the Stryder is balanced because I mean cmon dude it's chambered in .22 you aren't going to get much firepower out of that, and that means the Tanto needs it's damage per shot nerfed and its firerate increased.
@@TSPxEclipse Secondary Gunfighter for this game should allow you to swap between a single Handgun of your choice and an Akimbo pairing. So you could run with a single GS45 to ADS at targets down range and switch to Akimbo when you expect CQC engagements.
It would be good if you combined the Sprintout time and TTK to get the effective TTK and compared it with the TTK. Sometimes the best gun isn't necessarily the one that kills the quickest, but the one that allows you to go through sprint to kill the quickest.
Your 100% correct Ace. Feel like it jsut depends on the player and how they play. Right now personally been enjoying the Stryder but i like the movement and i play really fast -9mPM is also really good. Only one ive been struggling with in core modes is the GS45 but thinkn eventually ill get use to the slower fire rate
The mega kill in the end 😊
2:29 Grekohva TTK is wrong for rapid fire i think. Min dmg range has it at 5s -> 304ms which is 24ms slower than yhe next dmg range.
Thanks Ace!
Tried the stryder yesterday it was unbelievably awful
Gerkova with Akimbo and drum mag is so fun
Grekhova slayed build is the best - silencer, rifled barrel, extended mag 3, ergonomic grip, weighted stock
Great timing, was just about to go for diamond pistols next. My favorite is the grekhova, and 9mm PM is great to.
Really unfortunate to see how bad pistols are. They *feel* good when I use them but definitely hitmarker machines, bar the GS45. The 9mm PM is probably my favorite. I really liked the pistols in MWII the most tho. Great on their own and amazing with Akimbo.
I was hoping for an akimbo comparison too even though it's not that practical.
I have a Sniper gunfighter build. I use the WSP Stinger from MWIII without the akimbo attachment and it genuinely feels insane
I play hardcore exclusively. IMO the pistols are unfair. To fast, to much range, To fast to ADS, not nearly enough recoil, absurd recovery times. I know its a game, but c'mon!!!! The best shooter in the world would NEVER attempt a kill shot over 30 meters. A pistol that would achieve a kill shot at that range would be rare. The shooter who could make the shot would he ten times more rare. All I'm asking for is reasonable. Not total fantasy. To many players are strictly using pistols in hardcore. I know I may be screaming at the wind, but this is the only venue I have to express my frustration.
Here energy my rant!
Thanks Ace. Love your content. Big fan.
The Grekhova is only co tested by smg's in cqb. It's very dominant in the "Accuracy by Volume" metric, especially when using the drum mag or akimbo.
Also, I'm using the Grek in both Core and Hardcore. You don't bench a healthy Heisman.
The Stryder .22 is BY FAR the best weapon in Hardcore, I was dropping like 3 killchains per game on Stakeout lol. Huge mag, fast reload, handling and movement, not much recoil and 1 shot guaranteed
The Stryder .22 is so much fun in hardcore game modes.
I always enjoyed using semibauto pistols with high fire rate too! Used to run lobbies with the CZ in BO1
I had a 112 kill game with the stryder in HC, my highest ever. I LOVE that pistol
The grind is going to work on hc face off for pistols especially when its on hardcore modes
I spread pistol use to whatever suits the class or use whatever I feel like using. I like the Stryder the most for the mag size though. I can use it as a primary okay enough with some decent flanking and being sneaky.
Snipers next
Great video! Will definitely keep this in mind when choosing a side piece! 🔥
as a pistol main they all kinda suck. even akimbo at close range i'm getting significantly outclassed by every primary. feels bad. pistol lvling is a pain and now reward
I haven’t played the game yet and I know for me, in Hardcore, I’m going to be using the Stryder.22 for sure!
Landed some nasty kills with the grhekova . It´s my fav .
I don't understand how I can have a pistol, but someone with a lmg can beat me to the draw 9 out of 10 times
Peaker's advantage. Blame the constant onslaught of Packet Burst and horrible netcode. In case you didn't know, when someone dies the whole match is resynced between servers and clients, causing massive spikes in ping and artificially smoothed out jitters. Compounding that with the poorly implemented 60Hz servers, and ping being a lower priority in matchmaking than player skill thanks to SBMM/EOMM, it's ridiculously easy for super fast handling weapons like pistols to get outclassed by super slow and heavy weapons like LMG's and snipers.
Grekhova with extended mag is basically an SMG. Super easy to use.
I’m a sucker for Machine Pistols 😂
Hardcore player. I use the Stryder on all of my classes. Nothing really beats the mag cap & fire rate.
Hopefully they add some kind of wondernine soon, either a Hi-Power, Beretta, Sig 226, or CZ75
Honestly Stryder was my favorite in hardcore. High mag compacity, high fire rate, basically no recoil, it's just so easy getting multikills with it. In theory the Grekhova is the best in hardcore, assuming your aim is perfect and always headshot, as well as conserve your ammo well. For core though they both are underwhelming. GS45 looks and performs well in core, but the PM is best for consistency I think. Overall I think the Grekhova and Stryder need a slight buff in core, otherwise they all seem fairly solid.
Decked out greckhova basically gives you overkill for free.
Im glad this video came out. I actually just went 50-13 with the GS 545. Its a deadly 2 shot. Just make sure you have rapid fire on it and are close.
The Grekova’s stock attachment turns it into a laser beam… but is awkward to use
To be honest, I don't have much use for pistols in Multi-player - unless its for a daily challenge, I tend to rock overkill on sniper/marksmen rifle loadouts, carry a Launcher for UAV's/Counter UAV's etc, or use my Primary exclusively and the 'pistol', like the knife (need to see if there is a controller setting to auto switch to knife with melee as I never have it equipped when 'needed'! LOL) is just something I had to equip in my loadie!
That being said, I made an effort to use the GS45's to rank that up to max level - also by using it a lot in Zombies, so I could equip the dual wield (for Zombies) but I also play Hardcore so its handy to know the Stryder being worth using when its unlocked as late as it is - by which time I've usually built my 'classes' and never considered the Pistols in Multi-player as I find them useless in Core (they only help if you run out of ammo to switch to and your enemy is weak). I can only play so much core modes before I feel I'm being 'cheated' as I get too many hitmarkers but they kill in 2 or 3 hits with similar or even 'weaker' at the range you are engaging guns. At least in Hardcore, if you hit them 'first', you win that gunfight!
Anyway, until this video came out, I wouldn't have considered Pistols (other than for grinding Camo's) as a viable weapon in Multi-player - other than the 'advantage' of swapping to it quicker and finishing off an enemy rather than swapping to an SMG or reloading for example. Knowing they can be viable in Hardcore as a long range sniper 1-shot but with great mobility etc, it could be fun to do a few 'pistol only' Hardcore matches and/or grind the camos rather than a tedious chore where your 'k/D' and 'Fun' take a massive hit as you 'hate' trying to get 'headshots' with a shotgun or Pistol in ANY mode and die over and over and over again, questioning why that 'shot' wasn't a headshot....
Weighted stock grekhova is a lot of fun if you’re willing to grind for it
Baffling that the grekhova, despite being automatic, has the second slowest ttk for pistols
As a mainly core player: GS45 is my go-to with the Grekhova as a close second, followed by the Stryder in 3rd.
As much as I want to love the 9mm PM, the magazine size is crippling imo. I'd expect the 15 round mag to be the cap of the GS45, not the 9mm. If the 9mm could have a 20 round mag, it'd probably be my go to, though im just picky. For the Stryder, i just like it because it looks like a little dinky star wars pistol, especially with the pistol scope. Grekhova is reliable, but then the GS45 with the long barrel to extend that 2 shot range is destructive, especially in akimbo.
The GS45 is so damn fun to use and pretend I’m James Bond
Grekhova is actually the Skorpion from original mw. it is really hard to use but really op in the right hands
Akimbo pistols are always among the thing ace’s cover last, I know you don’t like em, but I feel like along with rapid-fire they’re something that should be considered when making a beat pistols video
Thought the idea of pistols were, you run out of ammo and switching to your pistol is faster than reloading.
Spamming the lowest recoil gun to be on target and those last shots to win.