Chainsaw Chaps May Have Fatal Flaw -BEWARE!
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I don't think it's said enough that PPE is your last line of defense.
Agreed.
Common sense and patience have saved more limbs and lives than all the bubble wrap lifestyle products in the world.
Preach! Some people just don’t have that sense of self preservation. Well that and I’m sure a good portion of people who use tools or equipment have no idea the horrendous injury’s that it can inflict upon you if used improperly. Ive seen hydraulic injections, amputations and large scale 3rd degree burns. Not pretty, it makes you think thrice from then on about all dangerous operations.
Exactly. I use a petrol chainsaw regularly and I am always wary of it and treat it accordingly. When I got my first bad kickback I was real glad I was properly positioned and stable footed. My Helmet and visor didn't need to protect me because I had done that with common sense, but had I slipped at that moment, they would have saved me.
Colton Blumhagen can you tell me how you got a picture in your name
that's true, but sometimes PPE is just the difference between open and closed casket.
It’s the same dang argument that people make about steel toe boots, “What if something drops on your foot that crushes the steel cap, and crushes your foot” , well if it’s strong enough to crush the cap it’s gonna destroy your foot without the steel cap, but there’s a wide range of things that would crush your unprotected foot but not the steel cap, so that is where the steel toe is beneficial.
Same here, there’s a chance in the worst case scenario that you’ll fall on the saw holding the trigger down and it’ll eat through the Chaps. But without the the chaps you screwed either way, at least with the chaps you’re not screwed at the slightest incident.
So for intensity scale you might say that without protection you could survive “0-10” with protection you could survive “0-10 and 10-70” and if the intensity of the accident is “70-100” even PPE won’t help
Then people say “well if the ppe wont protect everything I’ll use that as an excuse not to use it at all.”
I have known a story of a dude who had this foot chop in half due to the steel cap. at the end of the day, it's like a seat belt argument as well (it wont happen to me or if wont do much damage. I would rather have PPE, than not have it to be honest.
the steel toe is designed to cut your toes off so there's at least a chance of fixing it.. can't fix crushed toes, can fix severed toes..
@@RicGrylls Thats a long time myth. However, isnt true. They're designed to be able to handle normal impacts expected. This is why composite toe are available as well.
@@oneway_sting ur story is false. someone did a video on steel caps and crushing them. you cant really decapitate ur toes
@@oneway_sting around 500kg and ur foot is strawberry mush. meanwhile a safetyboot can take a load of 2000kg and u survive with broken bone or perhaps no injury at all. also if its a quick impact the boot will survive even bigger loads
Chainsaw Chaps sounds like a group of mischievous but ultimately harmless teenagers
Yea it does. Like from the early 1900s lol
sounds like a rock boy band
Good idea. I'm using that
Was thinking a barbershop quartet!
Or the name of an 80s/90s punk band. Lol
“Ain’t nothing gonna happen”
I heard that from my supervisor at Uhaul.
He later set the shop on fire.
That sounds suspiciously a lot like our mechanic.
"HEY watch this........
Worse yet the localized ebonic "illbeaaight"
Im guilty of a bad decision that almost cost me an arm, I regularly used a 9" grinder in my job, i got cocky and instead of switching to a small grinder in a tight area (which i thought of when beginning this particular task) i had a momentary lapse of reason and decided to continue on with the large grinder and it bit me. 400 stitches and 10 weeks out of work opened my eyes to the sometimes forgotten or just ignored dangers hiding beneath tools we commonly use.
Lol.. "what's this thing do?"
When you actually wear chaps the chaps have a lot more “give” than you allowed when you strapped them firmly to that log. The give allows for more of the chain stopping threads/material to get caught up to stop the saw. During the stoppage the chaps are pulled away from your leg. I have witnessed accidental gas chain saw stoppages 4 times in the same day during a wild land firefighting training class. Every time the gas saw stopped with no injury to the user and a with lot more material caught up during the stoppages than what you allowed by strapping them to the log.
Makes sense
Get some longer ratchet-straps.
😂
🤣lol
jack henderson lol
No doubt huh?
Brutal 😂😂😂
Electric motors make more torque the closer they get to stalling, where a gas motor loses power at lower RPMs.
Just to clarify, actually not all electric motors have this characteristic, but the brushless DC ones in those cordless tools do. Single phase induction motors (which are used in many household appliances) for example have zero torque at zero speed, which is why they need special provisions to get started in the first place.
@@blahfasel2000 Actually I think they do. Where its true an AC single phase has zero TQ at Zero rpm it has more TQ at 50 rpm than it does at 1000. Any electric motor torque calculator can demonstrate this.
Yes we get it eletric is more powerful but who has a truck of battery's and needs to do alot of industrial gardening petrol is gonna be the easy thing to carry
They kinda say on the package that chaps are not for electric chainsaws...
Nothing is too expensive when it comes to safety equipment, Because at the end of the day you’re protecting your life which is priceless. Remember that!
And you man sausage
@@anthnylder8136 If you set out to give yourself a chainsaw circumcision nothing will protect you.
sure thing, darth poopy face
yeah, even if your homeless. at least you have some chainsaw chaps to protect you from using a chainsaw you don’t even have.
I don't know if that strap is long enough for that Cody.
😂😂Yeah not quite long enough is it 😉
I once had a dirtbike accident: a van pulled out on me, I went into the side and somehow my leg got caught between the frame - my foot stuck on the throttle and my knee burning from the exhaust and the back wheel ripping the back of my knee. When we have accidents it can turn nasty real quick
I hear you bro! Got my foot caught in the back wheel of a 250cc dirt bike WITH riding boots and I still have nerve damage 30+years later. Thank GOD I had riding boots on. Saved me from certain amputation!
Mark Gardner exactly mate better safe than sorry and if you can afford better stuff/gear I would always take it as a investment. Worth the money
@@britishpatriot2276 whats a foot worth these days? Quite a lot to me! Buy the friggin gear!
Same thing happened to a friend of mine. Lost his foot
British Patriot dude, I feel bad for you.
That friends, is how you loose your gentleman's sausage
Don't give the Democrats any ideas now.
Clarkson!
This has never happened in the history of logging with a chainsaw. If I could give 100 thumbs down on your idiotic comment I would.
@@w8stral you should quit drinking...
Gamma Light a
My chainsaw pants specifically say on the warning label “not designed to prevent injury from electric powered chainsaws”
The reason is because of lack of testing them. Also unlike A gas powered chainsaw when the trigger is disengaged the chain immediately stops the chain immediately. A battery powered chainsaw does have more torque but chaps will stop it the same way as a gas powered one.
I'll wait for your next video where you test the same pants with a regular chainsaw 👍 at this point we don't know if it's the pants or the electric motor.
Hes tested a couple different brands with a gas saw. Stick to you computer and watch your attitude, men are present here.
Project farm did a video the Dewalt outperformed a brand new MS170
Did you not watch the video that’s why he was testing it
I always heard the same thing that chaps wouldn't stop battery saw. I used better chaps in a video last year and it stopped a Stihl MSA 200 pretty quick and didn't make it through
Ahh you are there. I just commented about outdoorgans #271.
Did the saw bar have a sprocket nose?
Why wear chainsaw chaps when you can get chainsaw pants.
on warm day I guess its bit cooler in chaps
80 vs 300
Cost
hehe good luck with that it's going to be so hot under there. I prefer to wear clothes that won't sterilize me.
If you have that kind of money to go for it
I think my dad's old saying "if it hurts when you do that, don't do that" applies to cutting your leg with a chainsaw... Just don't do that 🤣😂
I'm liking the way the guys out West wear their hats in the "LOCKED" position! Another great video, thanks.
Video idea WWCD.
I was 40 miles north of Vegas on a rail road maintenance access road, and got a flat tire. I had a spare, had ratchets and sockets, but no cell service, and no JACK.
I know how I got the tire changed, but how would Wranglerstar?
CRUSHING.
I like this one, let me think on it,
Use two pieces of tie to make a ramp and wedge the affected tire off the ground?
Overton Windex set one rail tie across the other and use that as a ramp to drive the affected tire off the ground?
@@jimpikul8551 ahh, no. I didnt bring any spare rail road ties. Haha
@@jimpikul8551 front right was flat, I tried to drive up mounds at an angle to get the flat off the ground. But there was too much flex and suspension travel in my Chevy 1500.
FULL SWITCH
that needs to be a shirt
JWM make it yourself then
My chaps had a warning label stating the chaps were not effective when using an electric chain saw due to the to the higher electric motor torque.
18 years running no chaps. No injuries. But im thinking of picking up some husqvarna chaps for Christmas.
Do it. My dads buddy said he never wore chaps but my dad forced him too if we wanted to borrow our 2095turbo. Long story short dudes leg got saved.
I used to not wear my thick and heavy pants, too, but nowadays i think differently about that, you only got one set of those legs
Don't think about it do it anyone can get fatigued drop this on your legs
I was cutting down a trailer all day I got fatigued dropped a saw on my leg that I was wearingchaps luckily just started to slow down before I hit my leg but it still cut through my chaps
18 years driving. no accidents. But I'm starting to think about wearing a seat belt.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that puts my cap on crooked.
I wear mine off to the left
I see you're from the East coast.
Im from coe hill Ontario canada
I've ripped up a few pair of chaps. Every time was in heavy brush. However, hot and humid or dry and cold, I always wear chaps.
Echo Whiskey
And how does one deal with the hot and humid? God, I hate it. Guess I’m a northerner
@@tacomas9602 be out in it as much as possible to acclimate and make sure to drink a lot of water with some sports drinks in the mix to keep electrolytes up.
If you're like me, you'll never like it, but it won't be as bad.
Very interesting test...I'd love to see it side by side with a little MS170
Stoney Ridge Farmer hey quick question where in NC are you in I live bout 30 minutes from baiden but went up to independence va to help my dad buy a fishing kyak and said hmm this looks like where that guy on TH-cam lives
Project farm did just that tested all the electric saws vs a 170
Seems like a win for the cheap chaps.
I'm not so sure. I bet that one tooth that made it though, would have pulled the skin from the back of your leg to the front of it.
The Beaten Paths better then no leg
@Loner Wolf most likely cheap chaps
Stopped it surprisingly well actually. I could see there being an issue with the electric motor but probably not in general, over all a casual user would definitely benefit
Hey man, Awsome episode. Peroxide, and white vinegar and baking soda will bring a skunk or cat smell out. Personally tested a few times.👍🏼
Froze Moments yes this is the formula, worked for me to, many times!
Dan Mc Yeah, I rescued a pup that was living in a farmers field. She got sprayed 3 times in 2 months...once right in the face. The second time I just threw her in the wash tub before thinking. Everytime she got wet for a month you could smell it Strongly. In the bright side, I learned that “Rodent Repellent” Keeps Tennessee skunks Away. I’ve got three daughters who almost disowned me for shooting a gofer once so I tried live traps and the repellent. I couldn’t believe it worked.
I went through so much baking soda when both of my dogs got popped lol
“The best thing is not to drop a chainsaw on your leg, it seems to me.” Thank you Cody, that’ll be enough. Chainsaw injuries are a thing of the past
John D it was a joke stupid
I have nothing to do with homesteading but you make the best vids on youtube
I mean, sooner or later you will be holding a chainsaw anyway
9:48 That cracked me up. You know there are some Saftey Sallys out there just screaming at their displays! ☺️
@@MisterBoy316
Mayby i should get a litle electric chainsaw and dub it silent assasin ;)
That was a good demonstration, I was a tree trimmer for the power company and we had chaps that were green and it had thick strands in them, but once we had accidentally cut the chaps we had to replace them. Thanks for sharing.
I can testify that tomato juicing a skunk sprayed dog is a great way to get a stinky pinkish orange dog.
Poor doggo lol
peroxide and baking soda and a few drops of dawn. might lighten your dogs coat a bit but it kills skunk smell like magic.
Great video. Demos are great to give you an idea of the power of these things, and the effects they have.
My first chainsaw arrived in the mail today, an electric one.
Usually when a new power tool arrives I'm lucky if I even look at the manual, but I've got a very healthy fear and respect for chainsaws, and I'm going to read that mofo from cover to cover and watch craploads of videos until I'm absolutely sure of everything. Then probably do some more. And then I'm going to wrap myself in safety gear before I even switch it on.
With most tools if you screw up you'll only cut yourself, albeit it could be a pretty bad gash, but with chainsaws if you screw up it can be life changing, or ending.
I don't mind acting like a scared little girl for a while, until I get used to it.
Thanks for the testing. Gives us a real world performance test. I use the Stihl ProMarks and they are 9 layer instead of the standard 6. They are quite heavy and it makes me hot. I got them in the hiVis verson as we are on the sides of roads alot. I also chose them because we are usually bucking stems over 4ft thick and large saws are required. I find chainsaw pants a much better choice on in the tree and other work. However, keeping a pair of the less inexpensive chaps is just really convenient. Thanks again.
Makes sense to me, the difference between a gas engine and an electric motor is that the electric motor is instant full torque. A gas engine has to work up to it.
@@ElectricityTaster Torque has everything to do with it, if you don't have high torque you can't tear the fibers and thus can't free the chain, but with the instant high torque of an electric motor you can tear the fibers and free itself up
@@ElectricityTaster doesn't matter if they're Kevlar or cotton, if the saw makes enough initial torque and they break then they won't be effective
Never trusted those cheap ones - this kinda changes my mind
Reinis Miks watch his last video of the cheap ones vs stihl pro marks
Sold me on the stihl
Maybe its made from china😅😅
"Grand-dad": one of Wranglerstar's favorite words
Very interesting. In these experiments, when a gas motor is stalled, to bring it back to life you'd have to pull the starter. With the battery tool, the motor is still alive even after a stall, and it's still putting power to the sprocket as long as you hold down the "throttle".
There are similar dangers with, for example, battery v corded sawzalls. Most people would think to unplug the corded tool to change a blade, but it's easy to forget to take the battery out for a battery-powered version ... (done that myself... not hurt, but realized later the risk I ran).
Great video!
"If I had to go out on a limb" 😂
I see what you did there....
Most Chaps have never been rated for ac/dc electric motor torque of chainsaws.
that's kind of the point of the video.
Let's drop a gas saw on the other leg and see if they stop it..... Seems obvious to me.... great videos thanks
He has a video on Cheap Chaps vs Expensive Chaps, and he used a Sthil chainsaw. The difference is that the Sthil had to be completely disassembled and cleaned before it could be used again. The cordless Dewalt was able to power through it and continue working
"you'd really have to want to cut your leg off" HAHA you had me on the floor with that one :-)
Very informative...always wondered how chaps were constructed and worked. Interesting that even less expensive chaps do offer some level of protection.
The bench-made 940 would have cut that stitching faster, just saying
Never. Spyderco all day
Benchmade can enjoy the dumpster forever. Anti gun garbage
@@rctrue spyderco is cheapo trash lol
@@tardo5362 says the clueless moron.. your name reflects your comment. Not to mention the rest of the knife community/anyone with half a brain would dismiss your comment.
You really sound like Tim Allen in this video 😂
When my grandma and grandpa first got married they were living across from his parents house on his dad's property. The only place to stay was a shack with no plumbing. It had electricity but the kicker is there was a family of sivet cats in the attic and sometimes when they would get upset they would spray in the attic and you can only imagine how bad it must have been. My grandma was a teacher and she would be so embarrassed going to school to teach smelling like that. They moved out pretty quick and built a house.
Fun to see all the videos you are putting out! I hope you all are doing well.
My chaps have saved my legs many times. Saw, ax, chisel.
Your saw chaps stopped an axe? 😂
@@44MHughes building log homes, sometimes chisels, axes slip. Not a full swing lol. But little grazes that would cut thru jeans.
Yup I fell for the tomato juice. Didn’t do a thing. Hydrogen peroxide and dawn does the trick very well.
Really good demonstration and talk about safety. Also interesting note that whereas a gasoline motor would have stalled, even if your finger is still depressing the trigger, the electric motor does not. It may stop momentarily, but can still go when slightly freed up.
About the skunk thing, if you or anyone in your family or your pets gets sprayed, use hydrogen peroxide, it neutralizes the spray and gets rid of the smell.
I was having a debate with my friend.
He thinks that a pair of heavy jeans would stop the saw as well as those chaps.
So. I was thinking, how about you do a comparison of jeans vs work pants like carrharts or something?
work pants or jeans both get shredded by the chainsaw the threads are too thin. Kevlar, the same fibres in bullet-proof vests are used in chaps and chainsaw pants.
My stepmom talks about some of siblings getting skunked when they were little. Nothing worked. You can like scrub and wash and it just doesn't do it haha.
I've heard that hydrogen peroxide, baking soda, and Dawn dishwashing liquid is the only thing that works but I have no first hand knowledge. The only time I've had any interaction with a skunk it was caught in a live trap. Through the whole ordeal, he never tried to spray me. Afterwards I read that they only spray as a last resort because it's difficult for them to produce more.
smelly to this day?
I have an inexpensive B & D cordless chainsaw, 10" bar, but the point that I want to make is that clenching the trigger doesn't engage the chain. There is also a thumb switch that must be slid before the trigger can be activated. I don't know about the bigger, higher powered saws but it just makes sense that they would incorporate a similar safety system.
You also need to be careful about how you cut wood because these electric saws can actually snap off teeth if you start the saw with the chain on the wood. Had it happen to a co-worker of mine, they're all torque
I personally love things made of Chinesium. They're the best.
The tractor, it’s back!
Wow, would have never thought of this. Will consider when I get myself a saw.
That’s crazy how powerful electric tools are now
Outdoors with the morgans episode #271 did this test over a year ago.
Don't be a "Simpson's did it", that's so 2010.
@@TheOriginalFreak don't steal content.
taras (crazyrussianhacker) did the same test over a year ago also.
Yeah. Dont rip off others videos talkin about how you couldnt find anything about it. When the morgans just did the same exact video. You gonna go on the morgans comment thats on this video that was made and whine at him too?
The only reason i said anything is the fact cody says he couldnt find anything about it. He obviously did not look very hard. If at all.
The starting torque of a electric motor is truly incomparable to gas.
@@nolimitarmani a gas motor needs to be revved up to a few thousand RPMs before it begins to have real torque, but an electric motor has all the torque it will ever have as soon as it turns.
@@nolimitarmani electric motor is instant torque and the 'gas' motor gets its power as you rev it up and if you get something stuck in the blade the chances are the engine will stall but an electric motor cant stall and can and will use its power to kill you
I was hot and tired at the end of a long day last summer and wearing my chaps... just as you said, while clearing a small brush tree I dropped my gas saw onto my left knee. Scared the you know what out of me and I called it a day. It happened so fast that there is no way I could have reacted to prevent it. PPE is no joke and I am a believer. I even posted my mistake in the hopes to help others. I saw what happened to a coworker just the year before when he wasn't wearing chaps. He is lucky to be alive, but will never be the same. Thanks for the video.
Love the Mrs. W & Sweetloaf shot at the end with the "trying to get the jacket on the running kid" maneuver :)
Hey Cody, nice video. I was wondering if you could make a video on a Nepalese Kukri. I want you to compare it to tools like an axe, a knife, etc.
Just some content ideas.
C. Reed - that would be nice if he can. I definitely would like to see the outcome.
You're hat is a bit sideways there cody
I'm getting a ganster vibe
@@Kushert lil homestead
😂😂😂 lil homestead
Lmao
He meant to do that...
The best I could do for my dog when he was sprayed was dawn dish soap it definitely didn't destroy the smell but helped a ton
The cover photo hurts to look at 😖🥴 thanks for the safety advice
Talk talk talk talk he cuts the chaps at 7 minutes
Wranglerstar is absolutely crushing. God bless you sir
I’m in a wheelchair and Iv done some minor chopping wood with an axe with my grandpa just cuz I didn’t just want to watch, but I just found your page a couple days ago and it’s just so interesting to watch and see you test these products and some of the axes you have are just out of this would cool like watching you show them off makes me wanna buy one just to have it as a decoration or something of that sort, not really much I can do with it but admire its craftsmanship
YALL IN NEED OF PRAYERS FOR A family member!! Thank you!! God Bless..
down south in Arkansas I wear them I don't care how hot it is just because of the briars
I love them in the winter.. kneeling down in the snow cutting.. yep there the shizzzz
Now if we can get our college football team to win a game. 😂🏈👍
Actually it was stalled while in contact with the chaps so it seems they did their job.
Yeah not quite the result he expected.
I was taught from a very young age to let go of that saw. But I've also never heard of chainsaw chaps until now, I think I'm going to get a pair - that's a great last line of defense.
Very interesting. I never thought about the motor pushing through it.
When you hear a crazy thing like tomato juice wash, just wash your ears with chalk and it'll make you forget about it
Beer has the same effect
My heart breaks when he doesn't pull the Benchmade Osborne out of his pocket.
“To keep safety sally happy” lmao your the best man. Love the videos !!
Hi Cody, this is off topic. I was watching your March 2019 video on woodstoves and want to pass on a woodstove cleaning tip (which you may already know). I don't know where I heard this, but it ALWAYS worked for Mrs. L and me. Get a paper towel damp, dab it into the ashes and wipe the inside of the glass. Poof, you won't believe how quick it works! There's a potential topic for a future video....
The best thing for skunk spray is TIME not thyme. Just time.
Country Craftsman
And distance...
Bleach is the best thing for skunk spray. It DESTROYS organic chemicals. It is used to decontaminate nerve agents and other chemical warfare agents, which are organic.
I say this from experience. I had a dog that liked to play with and kill skunks.
@@ArkansasPilgrim good idea. Thank you.
I dropped a saw on my leg just above my knee and I wasn't wearing chaps. Got a nasty deep cut but I luckily picked it up before it went through any tendons. I always wear chaps now.
I just bought these today Just started watching the video curious to see what happens .thanks for your time
Another possible issue.... I used to make things from Kevlar/Aramid which I think is used in chaps because it's hard to cut. Normally I have to use ceramic shears to cut it. Well last week my son asked if he could have some. So I went to a scrap box which had some very old Kevlar in it (about 20 years old) and to my surprise I could cut it easily with ordinary scissors something I couldn't do when it was new. I don't know if this is a known effect but it suggests old chaps may not be as safe?
I heard the newest way to deodorize your dog is to feed it tide pods 😆
I was working clearing a glade of eastern red cedar with a coworker, we were a 30-40 min hike away from our vehicle: in a state park where vehicular access was quite restricted. I was working for the park at the time. He hit an old nail in a tree and the chain saw kicked back. He was wearing chaps and it saved his life: the saw kicked back into the inside thigh region and shredded the chaps. He walked out with only a minor scrape: we called it day after that.... Because of that I've learned that I'd rather sweat.
The chaps may have saved your coworkers life. There is also the possibility that by wearing them he allowed himself to become more careless due to an increased sense of security.
I work in construction and often hear the younger guys claim that their hard hat “saved their life” one day. However, most of us old timers can’t recall ever witnessing a serious head injury despite the fact we worked
for years before hard hats and more strenuous safety rules were mandated.
A friend of mine had an angle grinder get caught in his hair not a good outcome
was he a hippie?
@@animal79thecat No just a big fan of classic rock
@@Garandmasthumb No he was definitely not a trance just
10:18 "Go Out on a Limb..." Heh
Cody, I think you need to attach those chaps to something that more resembles muscle and flesh, such as a ham hock or a ballistic gelatin block. A hard surface like the log only allows a small area of initial engagement and may not pull in enough of the fibers to stop the chain.
Agreed
So... actually no fatal flaw. Same safety techniques as always. I know that you’re always trying to create interesting titles and content but you’re better than this Cody.
Look up "may" in the dictionary. It was a demonstration. Relax.
ryan falcone - lets just be honest with each other. Did you have a different takeaway?
I’ve wondered what the difference was myself but while you were removing the string I noticed it does not have a centrifugal clutch.
Only a small shaft that would probably be harder to stop than a clutch.
Are you still a wildland firefighter
When are you going to touch on TH-cam hanging creators out to dry for there content? You usually get fired up about these things Cody.
After complaining 10X what use is the 11th time? Unless you are going to DO something about it, then forget it.
@@w8stral easy buď.. I was just wondering what Cody had to say on the topic.. no need to start calling people out yet.
@@craftybynature3760 he has on his live streams.
And he is doing something about it.
Unauthorized(dot)tv
5:06 So are you saying hearsay is unreliable? Kind of strange thing for a west coast guy to say.
Isn't he Canadian?
William Sandidge first time watching the channel? No, he’s American, from the Pacific Northwest
When I bought my chaps the manual said that they wont work with electric saws. Never bothered to use them with my Dewalt 60v chainsaw, but now I will, thanks!
Always appreciate your practical scientific method of determining the truth of an object or methodology. Always trying to improve your skills and gear, along with proving to yourself 100% the capabilities of your equipment.
This is why you are a successful independent man. God bless 🇺🇸
You have enough build up on the front of those pants to stop an artillery round.
Gotcha, tomato juice DON'T, Didn't work here!!!!
May God bless you and work through you!
Thanks