I think another huge part about vert not being as popular is accessibility.. Flat ground is literally all of dry land... Also, whether you're in an inner city, suburb, or a small town, most people have access to curbs, ledges, stairs... But, to be near a vert ramp to practice regularly on you have to be near a skate park with one... And it takes about as much wood as it does to build a garage to build one.... Street skating is just so much more accessible and relatable to most.
You beat me to it! Yeah, everyone has somewhere they can do street skating (an actual street or skatepark) but very few people have access to somewhere with a big vert ramp. The closest thing I have is a bowl at one of our skateparks and it’s still only like 6 feet
Well put. As a street skater I just don't relate to vert skating at all. I can respect it, but it pretty much feels like an entirely different sport to me. I'd venture to say I subconsciously lump vert skating in with the AggroBro "extreme" sports like BMX and MotoX more than skating.
In bmx people are either right foot forward or left foot forward. If you're left foot forward the natural spin direction is to the right and vice versa. So an oppo 360 would be a left foot forward rider spinning to the left, or a right foot forward rider spinning to the right. That is unless they are a goofy footed rider which is when the rider naturally spins the other way.
Tony Hawk has transcended his sport... My nephew had been wearing Jordan gear for 10 years+... He appeared on a Hanes commercial, and I said “Frankie, who is that?”... he had no idea.
Idk why helmets are tought to be so "un-cool" and how the whole thing started. We just had a funeral for a co-worker last week because he died as a result of hitting his head after bailing on a skatebaoard. Dude was just 21 years old. He was in a coma for a few days but ended up dying.
My friend was in a coma for 11 days after a head injury. He now plays it safe and busts out the helmet when he feels the need depending on what he's skating.
Well mini ramps and quarter pipes aren't vert. Vert means the ramp goes completely vertical, regardless I do agree with what you said about it being accessible.
@@shatterpointgames The verticality also refers to getting air time though. You could skate a pool that barely has a vertical edge and it would still be vert and not trans skating.
By the time our town had a vert park with street skating features we rode in a parking lot for 20+ years jumping over cars with wooden made ramps, mostly street always though. Vert parks are breeding some amazing skaters. I know a handful of people that started scooter and can now backflip on BMX.
Maybe with skateboarding entering the Olympics next year. If you had a multiple Olympic champion spanning over several Olympics then maybe that could over shadow Hawk?
I used to skate around 11 years ago but slowly fell out of it, Your videos have single handedly motivated to get me back rolling around and i just wanted to say thankyou for the work you put in. Hope all is swell in your life.
Bmx stance is easy to tell because its which foot/pedal is forward. That stance determines which way someone airs, wall rides, spins, whips, does bar spins, x ups, turn downs, table tops, ect... it's all pretty much backside and anything else is opposite.
It’s like when people say videotape. Or “I got it on tape” as if they used a tape-based camcorder. It’s a technicality but still doesn’t bother me more when people call the outside ground “the floor” or when people say they are “going down” somewhere when they are traveling north to get there there. I love the time bar you use when answering questions. Can’t say I’ve seen other people use that style in videos
First contest I ever did was a volcom wild in the parks...they gave us numbers we pinned to our forward shoulder to answer the kids question about contests, simple yet effective imo👍
Most people don't have access to vert ramps, but street spots are everywhere. You can find street obstacles in the most random places, like really small towns. Finding a vert ramp is more challenging. When people learn to skate they typically start out rolling on flat ground and naturally they progress on more streetlike obstacles. Bowls are also a huge thing now due to the current wave of skateparks (we've got over 170 parks - 97% or more worth taking a trip to - in Colorado). It's rare to find a vert ramp at a park, but bowls are all over the place. Mini ramps are even somewhat difficult to find nowadays. Vert ramps were often in backyards (the 80's mostly), but with the advancements in skating that scene has almost fully died out. Now in backyards it's bowls and mini ramps and the occasional ledges and banks. Also, street seems slightly more interesting due to the fact that street spots aren't built for skateboarding. That definitely adds to the appeal. Vert ramps are scary, too. My friend Dom sometimes wears shin guards when skating, by the way.
10:23 It's the same way you can tell someone is riding opposite stance, and it's by how they seem to do the trick a little awkwardly, and the awkwardness I found to be consistent with all riders. It's also a little bit of memorization as there is fewer riders to memorize.
I think the reason street is more interesting from a viewers perspective is due to the varied terrain. Vert and flatland all happen on the same obstacles over and over. I love to watch vert and flatland BMX because I grew up on it. making the video parts interesting comes more down to the editing then the actual riding. Street lends itself to editing very well where as the other two need more of a creative license from the video editors.
There should be a website where the profiles of skaters are kept if that doesn't exist yet. That way we could see the skaters' stance, height and weight, a small bio, plus accomplishments (medals, numbers of parts released, tricks that they've done at legendary spots, etc)
Bmx has stance like a skateboard left or right foot forward and it's natural counterclockwise for a right foot forward there's also switch and regular bar spins a nd whips
I was going to write this same comment. Works just like skateboarding. Left foot forward is regular. Right foot forward is goofy. Goofy tends to spin naturally to the left and vice versa. Although I have a friend who rides "mongo". Left foot forward but turns to the left and grinds natural on the right side. I switched from skateboarding to bmx for 5 years. Back to skating now. It was a lot of fun discovering the differences as well as the similarities.
I am sure it's a thing, however to me it literally doesn't matter which foot is forward when riding BMX and doing jumps and such. Same on a scooter. I'm somewhat convinced this has to do with having handle bars. The way some people hang on to their scooters upon a landing, the stance barely really matters. It may only matter for spins at that point.
keep it up rat...i can tell youre starting to get back into the groove of things. it takes time, but i enjoy following your journey in this next chapter of your life.
People thinking Tony Hawk was just a video game character probably won't happen considering the majority of the games feature Tony Hawk on the cover in the flesh. But hey, people are stupid
BMX spin directions are determined by which foot is forward on the pedals. (Left foot forward riders spin right, right foot forward riders spin left). If you prefer spinning the opposite direction for your stance, you’re what is known as goofy footed. There’s also rules for which way is opposite for barspins and tailwhips, all based on which foot is forward.
Vert is still alive, it's just on a different venue... a skatepark with a bowl that has vert. Another (and most important reason) why vert is "dying" is just because of those who have not ever dropped in on one. Street-style skateboarders really become the restrictive freestyle skateboarders ...with only grinds taken from vert... and optimize that. Yes, street is easily accessible, but it has become more "robotic" and "hammered" rather than fluid with lines and tricks. There are a few skateboarders who do street that have that fluidity. Gino Iannucci, Tom Penny, Matt Rodriguez, Cardiel, and a few more are those that pop into my mind that have that effortless flow that makes you want to go out and skateboard.
@iTzDaRFYoDa 12357062 - It's because you've never dropped in on one, you pussy. Also, you must have some secret love affair with Reider, after reading that comment.
Chris Cole said in an interview a little while ago that he wears shin guards. And after a couple of minutes of putting them on you don't even notice them anymore. You can't even see them underneath the pants so if they save your shins a little bit, why not?
With BMX rider's, you can disting stance with the possitions of the pedals when they jump: Left foot forward is regular, and Right foof forward is goofy. Reular spins usualy to the right Goofy to the left That aplies to barspins, tailwhips, tabletops.. etc Regular -bar: left hand starts the spin -Tailwhip: bike spins to the left Goofy -bar: Right hand -Tailwhip: bike spins to the right
As someone who just liked sports done at a skatepark, I also Rollerblade. That's a lot more difficult to spot switch. As things can get mixed up even within regular and goofy. A regular rider will spin right and depending on what you consider the dominant foot will use their left foot. Vice versa for goofy. Although not always the case as some regular riders spin right but also have a dominant right foot. More often than not you've just got to take someones word that they've done a trick switch.
You can call them "edits." that's the term my friends and I use. I also don't see anyone replacing Tony hawk. I do street, but I'm mainly a longboarder. And every out of touch adult and out of the know kid I meet brings up Tony hawk.
When vert died. A guy like Tom Penny still skated vert street minny ramp bowls or park. Because it wasnt popular skating got limited. it's easier to skate horizontal. I wish skate videos had more transition incorporated into street. I want to see them merged together.
Vert died not only due to the lack of access to ramps for most kids (skatepark were rare and ramps even more so for many of us) but also because the way they marketed it was pure cheese by the late 80s early 90s. Things like the Swatch Tour and anything to do with Vision Street Wear had more in common with Disney on Ice than skateboarding.
Well, that's your damn opinion. That's how things were marketed back then, and it worked. Sadly, as the Rocco era came in (as well as the recession of the early 1990s), that's when things took a turn for vert. Street was the runt of the litter that evolved what you see today. If you ever been on a vert ramp, you'll recognize and respect why vert is the best thing to enhance street.
@@SlickRick4EVER I've been on a vert ramp more times than I count although growing up north of the border our ramps were most part lacking masonite and were just wonky beat up plywood (still fun just painful at times). Now there's a great free concrete bowl 10 minutes from me. I never had a problem with vert skating, Chris Miller is still one of my favorite skaters. I just think that the way it was marketed turned many kids off . I also disliked the big pants tiny wheels era of street skating because if the board doesn't roll and you're dressed like a clown what's the point?
@@buckodonnghaile4309 - Damn! Good points. You know: Every generation goes through experiments. A decade ago, until maybe a few years ago... or even now, we witnessed possibly the worst trend in skateboarding: The Skinny "Sister's" Jeans/Cuff sleeves. Really, the point of that baggy pants thing was to feel the "flow", for what it's worth. Tiny wheels make logical sense, at the time. It made the board pop quicker to do fliptricks just as quick. Either that's the case, or they ran their wheels so hard to the ground with so much skateboarding. Eitherway, vert will never die! It's just for any skateboarder who are willing to get in that world.
marketing didnt kill vert. If that were true, skateboarding would be dead now. just look at all the cheese that goes on now. Gucci ads with guys in loafers skating. skaters do not care about marketing.
@@panictryouts I agree I just think that the cheese factor didn't help back then. The main thing in my area was a complete lack of ramps/bowls. The city made the guys tear down the halpipe we skated because they didn't have a building permit and noise complaints (at least they didn't ask how a bunch of teenagers acquired that much lumber), the pools in my part of Canada weren't fully concrete,and there were no skateparks.
Stance reporting should be mandatory in competitions. You mentioned how after a few tricks you can tell, but in competitions you see guys go for tricks they are comfortable doing during the run and that can mean people who easily skate switch and regular. All they need to do is add a few letters to a skaters name on the screen when they are skating regular, goofy, switch, nollie, fakie, etc.
To add onto your comments on the death of Vert. I also feel like the fact that street skating is more readily available to new coming skaters adds on to the pressure that street skating put on vert. I grew up playing the THPS games and I skated up until middle school. The town i grew up in didn't have a skate park so I skated in my neighborhood and got what i could out of that but then we moved and I learned that there was a skatepark in the town we moved too and i was so excited because honestly I expected something with like bigger vert ramps because I had honestly never seen a skatepark before but when i went it was like a typical park with a bunch of stuff set up like smaller ramps and rails and stuff like that. I was kinda disappointed cuz watching the videos in the THPS games got me really interested in vert skating but it just didn't seem as readily available as skating around my apartment complex did.
When did RadRat start doing the little timer things? That's a really good idea instead of looking through descriptions and comments for someone to put the timestamps. other youtubers should do that too
The problem with vert videos might have to do more with the editing. You talked about how it slows the pace down because there's so many setup tricks and rolling across the flat, but there are some really exciting vert parts where the editing has a much faster pace, like Rune Glifberg's THPS3 video and Jake Brown's part in What If.
I agree with what you said about vert. But I would also like to add that I think it was easier for a lot people to learn how to or be able to skate street, than vert. If you want to skate street, just grab a board and walk out your door. If you want to skate vert, you need to have access to a vert ramp, which not everyone does. And you also need a helmet and pads. So, I think it's a lot easier for people to skate street and I think that's why so many more skaters skate street, than vert. I do still love vert though.
The physical tell for spin direction in bmx is which foot they ride forward. Right foot forward being regular and left foot forward being goofy. Regular spins left, tail whips to the right, and throws a bar spin with the right hand. Switch is obviously just the opposite of all that. I actually think its easier to tell switch tricks in bmx because in stead of having to watch half a run and guess like you said in this video you can just take a glance at their feet and know right away.
On the question on why vert died . I think it's about accessibility. Street skating can be done almost anywhere and freestyle can be done literally everywhere but for vert skating you need 100's , upwards to a million dollars like Tony's ramp dedicated to one obstacle. So a large majority of skateboarder dont have access to those ramps whether its distance or even monetary barriers .
I recently skated for a week with a shin guard on my left leg, the football (soccer) ones. I had too much shinners after trying late flips... Shit helped me a lot. The guards I have also cover the ankles with a thick padding, very convenient too!
To your point about street being more popular than vert, I agree from an accessibility point of view anyone can step out side theit front door and skate street, not everyone has access to a vert ramp but what you say about it being slow and boring to watch is exactly how I feel about street competitions these days street league etc it's incredibly boring to watch just back and forth rails and gaps. Nobody does any complete nonstop runs that flow which I know is partly due to the course layout design but I'd rather watch a vert comp any day over a street comp. The best thing to view these days is park because it flows and there is a lot of variation.
In bmx you can tell stance by which foot is in-front of the other like regular your right foot in on-front of your left and goofy is left is in-front of the right
Although not truly "vert", the Almost Cheese and Crackers video is one of my favorites ever, and is nothing but the craziest ramp skating I've ever seen.
Death of vert: I came up in a city/town that didn’t have skate parks do you think the death of very was as you mentioned excitement but also because you can skate anywhere on the street like school church public buildings or parking lot but you need a park for vert
as many other people said I think it's because most people don't like watching something they aren't experienced in if you put your board down and pushed it on the sidewalk you've done street staking, it's much harder to do vert
It's not only the lack of vert ramps, it's also because most people don't have the guts to skate vert. I remember when I started skateboarding in 2000, there were so many guys avoiding to learn how to drop in, it was kinda ridiculous, glad there were no scooters around xD Cuz where I live, there are barely newcomers anymore.
The accessibility is a major factor. We have a healthy vert scene where I am because there is 6 vert ramps within an hour of each other and over a dozen vert bowls. I would never have taken it up back where I used to live where there was only 1 gigantic competition one.
I use shin guards while MTBMXing, their full length thigh high baseball catchers pads because of chain slips and shin Taps on the handlebars when I double crank and Revert. I have chipped patches out of my left shin because of it, and cranked so hard that the pedals snapped off or the chain detensioned and launched my knees up into my bars. They're scary Black Tactical scorpion armor style and I have never thought they looked out of place uncomfortable or ridiculous.
as many others in the comments have said, the main reason vert died off I think is just lack of access to ramps, someone who is just starting out will find it much easier and more accessible to just roll around on their street or in their garage. To skate vert you have to either have a ramp locally, or build one yourself which is not really something many people will want to do. To some extent I think vert seems a lot more daunting to a beginner as well, which probably has some impact on it's popularity.
Great video dude 🤘🏽just wanted to add something about the "stance reporting " to the untrained eye its kinda difficult to tell which stance a person is but for those who already got experirnce is sort of comes natural. Its very true what u sayd about the shoulders but another way that gives away the stance or when a skater goes from regular to switch is the way the push. Nowadays a lot of skaters have learned to push both ways but theres still a few skaters who push mongo before they go switch and they make it look amazing for instance Josh Kalis and Tiago Lemos .
In BMX you can totally tell if it is and "regular" or opposide spin, just by looking at them. BMXers also have a stance you always do tricks with the same foot forward, because the pedals are leveled horizontally. It is usually easier for people to spin in the direction of the foot that is back. Same goes for Tailwhips.
Great video, When I think about great vert runs at demos and comps where caution was thrown to the wind I always think of Neil Hendrix, would bust out crazy shit back to back to back
My theory: I think streaming platforms like Netflix or Hulu are going to have an influence on full length skate videos staying relevant. For example, you can buy a physical copy of a board company’s new video, or subscribe to Netflix and watch it because it’s exclusive to their platform. It’ll be a while, and skaters won’t back it right away, but Netflix could easily fund a full length video considering how many new series they put out.
It will be decades after Tony Hawk passes away before he isn’t the first person we think of when we think about skating. And by then, I think skateboarding won’t be very popular anymore.
Usually with bikes the more comfortable way to spin is whichever foot you ride to the back. So if you ride right foot forward it is natural to be more comfortable to spin towards your left foot or counter clockwise... from there the only memorization would be for certain riders known to be weirdos that spin more comfortably to their front foot I believe Ryan nyquist does this
On wearing shinguards, I don't think it would be that stigmatized since it would make sense when practicing street tricks, at least among skaters. Personally, I don't wear a helmet, but I do wear wrist guards cause I always scrape my palms when I fall. I'd definitely wear a helmet if I tried any vert though.
Great video...wait is that outdated as well ?'Video' What do you think of 'Park' competition, a lot more flow, board flips and sometimes big airs with a lil ol skool. (Pedro Barros style)
in BMX you can ride left foot forward or right foot forward and it makes a huge difference in riding as well as tricks, like you said about spinning but also with grinds and technical stall tricks like footjams and vaders, i rode bmx for three years but switch back to skating cus I couldn't afford bike parts and cus skating i also really rad ( some would say more rad )
My shins have always been messed up by a board, but I've never used shin guards. The helmet might be ok though, if you fly all over the skatepark like Andy Anderson. I remember when I started back in the day I actually thought that wearing a helmet would even make me look cooler, probably because Tony Hawk had always worn it, but luckily I didn't have much money to afford one haha
BMX STANCES Goofy- right foot forward spin left Regular- left foot forward spin right Switch goofy- right foot forward spin right Switch regular left foot forward spin left
I think street is safer. Remember that one guy who kicked off the lip on that super quarter pipe and landed accidentely 40 ft and landed on the flat and survived?
Vert ramps are essentially a luxury good. Street skaters are able to skate anywhere. And real interesting vert ramps like those giant contraptions Danny Way invented are impossible for skaters who are not already famous to even get close to. But that does not by any means indicate that vert is dead or boring. Vert emphasizes extreme speed and boundless air. Those are the apex of skating can skate both street circuits and vert, but vert allows for much more extreme tricks at the edge. Street is better for the average skater (and mean the average pro, not an ameteur) to show off their technical chops. But unless you are Gino Ionnucci, you will be doing street tricks at a fraction of the speed of vert skaters. Plus, the landscape of vert ramps themselves are able to really show who can maintain a long line without mistakes. Street lines depend on the obstacles in one's path in addition to skill. Vert lines depend purely on skill. It may not be as exciting if one is not an alpha vert skater, but vert is definitely a better venue for measuring skill in contests for instance. Since you will have been practicing in an almost identical environment, environment no longer matters. Only vert skill does. However, I do not think either vert or street are superior. They are just different skating disciplines and good ld will shine in any environment over time. The vert skater who has money may have an advantage at the beginning, but no more than a street skater who grew up in an urban are vs one who grew up in a rural or suburban one. Time will equalize this though, and even kids in the suburbs bs can afford to go to a skate park with ramps.
street was the future, vert you had to know a guy who knew the guy who had a ramp or knew a pool to skate. and once street came about a kid could skateboard anywhere in any city all you need was a board!
So, what you're saying is, those with the shortest of short attention spans don't enjoy watching vert skating because of the one or two seconds of transitions, flat, and setups in between tricks. 😉
Its not attention grabbing. It's boring. So is freestyle. To those who don't appreciate it, it's just a bunch of stuff the don't care about happening slowly. Like sitting through a distant relatives graduation. Big moment, sure. Does it at all matter to me? No. I promise you if they pay attention it's still boring. What the video actually said is that vert is painfully repetitive, freestyle doesn't make much sense to this who don't care about it, and street has more variety. Also street more accessible and 'cool' so kids tend to choose that.
I love to skate. But a board to my ankle or shin area irritates me and makes me mad. I would definitely wear shin guards with an ankle protector. if a skate company made a vented nice pair that's not restrictive and comfortable I would buy them. A enjoyable skate session could be free from the anger and frustration of when the trucks axle gets you in the shin.
Not like there was very Ramos all over the place. Maybe out in Cali but growing up in the south in the mid, late 80’s and again in the mid , late 90’s... there wasn’t much vert around.
What comes to blading. Blading had UNNATURAL back in the days...it were doing same tricks with "other footed", like if you used to girnd right foot back, when you grind with left foot back, it's "unnatural"...but if you don't know guys unnatural, it's hard to define what's unnatural.
I can't speak about the BMX stance but I assume it's similar to MTB stances, where the foot you put in front decides your stance, left foot forward being regular and right foot forward being goofy.
I'm to scared of vert but honestly Danny ways part in the dc video is probably the best skateboarding video part of all time , imo , I also think dea won songs part in Deca second to none was the best also , it's a hard call honestly but Jake Brown in what if was banging too! I also liked Tony Hawks ramp gap in the desert in adios one step beyond.
Shinners suck but ankle taps are the actual devil. plus my feet get sweaty as is so I think at least ankle guards should be a thing, they're small so they wont be an eyesore, they protect from the 2nd worst minor injury in skateboarding.. cmon why isnt this a thing!
Death of vert: I wanna day street is very action packed while very skating is a little bit slow but very has a super wow factor in it too. I also think it has to do with the age of vert. Vert has been around for quite awhile more than street has been around. And it also has to do with availability cuz street you can do anywhere vert you need a half pipe of some sorts.
I think another huge part about vert not being as popular is accessibility..
Flat ground is literally all of dry land... Also, whether you're in an inner city, suburb, or a small town, most people have access to curbs, ledges, stairs...
But, to be near a vert ramp to practice regularly on you have to be near a skate park with one... And it takes about as much wood as it does to build a garage to build one.... Street skating is just so much more accessible and relatable to most.
You beat me to it! Yeah, everyone has somewhere they can do street skating (an actual street or skatepark) but very few people have access to somewhere with a big vert ramp. The closest thing I have is a bowl at one of our skateparks and it’s still only like 6 feet
Same was the case when vert was very popular though, more skateparks now, than back then even
Well put. As a street skater I just don't relate to vert skating at all. I can respect it, but it pretty much feels like an entirely different sport to me. I'd venture to say I subconsciously lump vert skating in with the AggroBro "extreme" sports like BMX and MotoX more than skating.
I had a friend who always wanted to skate vert and he only got to do it a few times because he had little access to ramps.
even tony hawk talked about how he couldn’t upkeep his ramp when the industry died down in the early 90s
In bmx people are either right foot forward or left foot forward. If you're left foot forward the natural spin direction is to the right and vice versa. So an oppo 360 would be a left foot forward rider spinning to the left, or a right foot forward rider spinning to the right. That is unless they are a goofy footed rider which is when the rider naturally spins the other way.
Tony Hawk has transcended his sport... My nephew had been wearing Jordan gear for 10 years+... He appeared on a Hanes commercial, and I said “Frankie, who is that?”... he had no idea.
Idk why helmets are tought to be so "un-cool" and how the whole thing started. We just had a funeral for a co-worker last week because he died as a result of hitting his head after bailing on a skatebaoard. Dude was just 21 years old. He was in a coma for a few days but ended up dying.
last week?? damx, this stuff needs to make the news. it's as good as any other story we have out right now.
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Sorry to hear that. Mike V skates with a helmet, I think he’s cool.
My friend was in a coma for 11 days after a head injury. He now plays it safe and busts out the helmet when he feels the need depending on what he's skating.
Was he hillbombing or long boarding?
So sorry to hear that... What was he doing that could cause that much damage, if you don't mind me asking?
Wait a minute. Tony Hawk is a real guy?
Can't tell if ur serious or joking
@@1gluumi don't
he's a figment
Cole Brown ok boomer
Cole Brown You seem really insecure
Easy question, you can only skate vert, well on vert (half pipe, mini ramp, quarter pipe, etc), whereas street can be done anywhere
yeah, but megaramp is more popular than vert now, what about that?
Well mini ramps and quarter pipes aren't vert. Vert means the ramp goes completely vertical, regardless I do agree with what you said about it being accessible.
@@fernandomiranda765 I disagree that megaramp is that popular. Very few people get into it at an advanced level.
@@shatterpointgames The verticality also refers to getting air time though. You could skate a pool that barely has a vertical edge and it would still be vert and not trans skating.
By the time our town had a vert park with street skating features we rode in a parking lot for 20+ years jumping over cars with wooden made ramps, mostly street always though. Vert parks are breeding some amazing skaters. I know a handful of people that started scooter and can now backflip on BMX.
Maybe with skateboarding entering the Olympics next year. If you had a multiple Olympic champion spanning over several Olympics then maybe that could over shadow Hawk?
I used to skate around 11 years ago but slowly fell out of it, Your videos have single handedly motivated to get me back rolling around and i just wanted to say thankyou for the work you put in. Hope all is swell in your life.
Absolutely love that youre back with great content! Youre explanations are well supported and your video production has definitely improved! Bravo!
Bmx stance is easy to tell because its which foot/pedal is forward. That stance determines which way someone airs, wall rides, spins, whips, does bar spins, x ups, turn downs, table tops, ect... it's all pretty much backside and anything else is opposite.
It’s like when people say videotape. Or “I got it on tape” as if they used a tape-based camcorder. It’s a technicality but still doesn’t bother me more when people call the outside ground “the floor” or when people say they are “going down” somewhere when they are traveling north to get there there.
I love the time bar you use when answering questions. Can’t say I’ve seen other people use that style in videos
Incorrect on the "going down" statement. North is not up. It is a myth. So making such a statement is not wrong.
Tylar Jones a myth. Ok then.
First contest I ever did was a volcom wild in the parks...they gave us numbers we pinned to our forward shoulder to answer the kids question about contests, simple yet effective imo👍
Most people don't have access to vert ramps, but street spots are everywhere. You can find street obstacles in the most random places, like really small towns. Finding a vert ramp is more challenging. When people learn to skate they typically start out rolling on flat ground and naturally they progress on more streetlike obstacles. Bowls are also a huge thing now due to the current wave of skateparks (we've got over 170 parks - 97% or more worth taking a trip to - in Colorado). It's rare to find a vert ramp at a park, but bowls are all over the place. Mini ramps are even somewhat difficult to find nowadays. Vert ramps were often in backyards (the 80's mostly), but with the advancements in skating that scene has almost fully died out. Now in backyards it's bowls and mini ramps and the occasional ledges and banks. Also, street seems slightly more interesting due to the fact that street spots aren't built for skateboarding. That definitely adds to the appeal. Vert ramps are scary, too.
My friend Dom sometimes wears shin guards when skating, by the way.
10:23 It's the same way you can tell someone is riding opposite stance, and it's by how they seem to do the trick a little awkwardly, and the awkwardness I found to be consistent with all riders. It's also a little bit of memorization as there is fewer riders to memorize.
Love the new format with those NBA Jam turbo meter looking things. :)
lol They're so useful for skipping through the video too
I think the reason street is more interesting from a viewers perspective is due to the varied terrain. Vert and flatland all happen on the same obstacles over and over. I love to watch vert and flatland BMX because I grew up on it. making the video parts interesting comes more down to the editing then the actual riding. Street lends itself to editing very well where as the other two need more of a creative license from the video editors.
There should be a website where the profiles of skaters are kept if that doesn't exist yet. That way we could see the skaters' stance, height and weight, a small bio, plus accomplishments (medals, numbers of parts released, tricks that they've done at legendary spots, etc)
Bmx has stance like a skateboard left or right foot forward and it's natural counterclockwise for a right foot forward there's also switch and regular bar spins a nd whips
I was going to write this same comment. Works just like skateboarding. Left foot forward is regular. Right foot forward is goofy. Goofy tends to spin naturally to the left and vice versa. Although I have a friend who rides "mongo". Left foot forward but turns to the left and grinds natural on the right side.
I switched from skateboarding to bmx for 5 years. Back to skating now. It was a lot of fun discovering the differences as well as the similarities.
@@kasper5688 I'm not sure what to call that. You ride regular but grind oppo I guess.
I am sure it's a thing, however to me it literally doesn't matter which foot is forward when riding BMX and doing jumps and such. Same on a scooter. I'm somewhat convinced this has to do with having handle bars. The way some people hang on to their scooters upon a landing, the stance barely really matters. It may only matter for spins at that point.
keep it up rat...i can tell youre starting to get back into the groove of things. it takes time, but i enjoy following your journey in this next chapter of your life.
People thinking Tony Hawk was just a video game character probably won't happen considering the majority of the games feature Tony Hawk on the cover in the flesh. But hey, people are stupid
BMX spin directions are determined by which foot is forward on the pedals. (Left foot forward riders spin right, right foot forward riders spin left). If you prefer spinning the opposite direction for your stance, you’re what is known as goofy footed. There’s also rules for which way is opposite for barspins and tailwhips, all based on which foot is forward.
you blew my mind with footage
Vert is still alive, it's just on a different venue... a skatepark with a bowl that has vert.
Another (and most important reason) why vert is "dying" is just because of those who have not ever dropped in on one. Street-style skateboarders really become the restrictive freestyle skateboarders ...with only grinds taken from vert... and optimize that. Yes, street is easily accessible, but it has become more "robotic" and "hammered" rather than fluid with lines and tricks. There are a few skateboarders who do street that have that fluidity. Gino Iannucci, Tom Penny, Matt Rodriguez, Cardiel, and a few more are those that pop into my mind that have that effortless flow that makes you want to go out and skateboard.
@iTzDaRFYoDa 12357062 - It's because you've never dropped in on one, you pussy.
Also, you must have some secret love affair with Reider, after reading that comment.
Chris Cole said in an interview a little while ago that he wears shin guards. And after a couple of minutes of putting them on you don't even notice them anymore. You can't even see them underneath the pants so if they save your shins a little bit, why not?
I honestly love every video put out on this channel they're always so good.
Don't forget Bob Burnquist's role in the classic blockbuster hit MVP 2: Most Vertical Primate.
With BMX rider's, you can disting stance with the possitions of the pedals when they jump: Left foot forward is regular, and Right foof forward is goofy.
Reular spins usualy to the right
Goofy to the left
That aplies to barspins, tailwhips, tabletops.. etc
Regular -bar: left hand starts the spin -Tailwhip: bike spins to the left
Goofy -bar: Right hand -Tailwhip: bike spins to the right
I came down to the comments to point this out too, but noticed you'd got to it first. Great, clear explanation. 👍
As someone who just liked sports done at a skatepark, I also Rollerblade. That's a lot more difficult to spot switch. As things can get mixed up even within regular and goofy. A regular rider will spin right and depending on what you consider the dominant foot will use their left foot. Vice versa for goofy. Although not always the case as some regular riders spin right but also have a dominant right foot. More often than not you've just got to take someones word that they've done a trick switch.
You can call them "edits." that's the term my friends and I use. I also don't see anyone replacing Tony hawk. I do street, but I'm mainly a longboarder. And every out of touch adult and out of the know kid I meet brings up Tony hawk.
When vert died. A guy like Tom Penny still skated vert street minny ramp bowls or park. Because it wasnt popular skating got limited. it's easier to skate horizontal. I wish skate videos had more transition incorporated into street. I want to see them merged together.
Vert died not only due to the lack of access to ramps for most kids (skatepark were rare and ramps even more so for many of us) but also because the way they marketed it was pure cheese by the late 80s early 90s. Things like the Swatch Tour and anything to do with Vision Street Wear had more in common with Disney on Ice than skateboarding.
Well, that's your damn opinion. That's how things were marketed back then, and it worked. Sadly, as the Rocco era came in (as well as the recession of the early 1990s), that's when things took a turn for vert. Street was the runt of the litter that evolved what you see today. If you ever been on a vert ramp, you'll recognize and respect why vert is the best thing to enhance street.
@@SlickRick4EVER I've been on a vert ramp more times than I count although growing up north of the border our ramps were most part lacking masonite and were just wonky beat up plywood (still fun just painful at times). Now there's a great free concrete bowl 10 minutes from me. I never had a problem with vert skating, Chris Miller is still one of my favorite skaters. I just think that the way it was marketed turned many kids off . I also disliked the big pants tiny wheels era of street skating because if the board doesn't roll and you're dressed like a clown what's the point?
@@buckodonnghaile4309 - Damn! Good points.
You know: Every generation goes through experiments. A decade ago, until maybe a few years ago... or even now, we witnessed possibly the worst trend in skateboarding: The Skinny "Sister's" Jeans/Cuff sleeves. Really, the point of that baggy pants thing was to feel the "flow", for what it's worth. Tiny wheels make logical sense, at the time. It made the board pop quicker to do fliptricks just as quick. Either that's the case, or they ran their wheels so hard to the ground with so much skateboarding. Eitherway, vert will never die! It's just for any skateboarder who are willing to get in that world.
marketing didnt kill vert. If that were true, skateboarding would be dead now. just look at all the cheese that goes on now. Gucci ads with guys in loafers skating. skaters do not care about marketing.
@@panictryouts I agree I just think that the cheese factor didn't help back then. The main thing in my area was a complete lack of ramps/bowls. The city made the guys tear down the halpipe we skated because they didn't have a building permit and noise complaints (at least they didn't ask how a bunch of teenagers acquired that much lumber), the pools in my part of Canada weren't fully concrete,and there were no skateparks.
Stance reporting should be mandatory in competitions. You mentioned how after a few tricks you can tell, but in competitions you see guys go for tricks they are comfortable doing during the run and that can mean people who easily skate switch and regular. All they need to do is add a few letters to a skaters name on the screen when they are skating regular, goofy, switch, nollie, fakie, etc.
Osiris made special socks that had shin guard inserts. Tons of people wore them under those baggy pants in the 90’s-2000’s
To add onto your comments on the death of Vert. I also feel like the fact that street skating is more readily available to new coming skaters adds on to the pressure that street skating put on vert. I grew up playing the THPS games and I skated up until middle school. The town i grew up in didn't have a skate park so I skated in my neighborhood and got what i could out of that but then we moved and I learned that there was a skatepark in the town we moved too and i was so excited because honestly I expected something with like bigger vert ramps because I had honestly never seen a skatepark before but when i went it was like a typical park with a bunch of stuff set up like smaller ramps and rails and stuff like that. I was kinda disappointed cuz watching the videos in the THPS games got me really interested in vert skating but it just didn't seem as readily available as skating around my apartment complex did.
When did RadRat start doing the little timer things? That's a really good idea instead of looking through descriptions and comments for someone to put the timestamps. other youtubers should do that too
The problem with vert videos might have to do more with the editing. You talked about how it slows the pace down because there's so many setup tricks and rolling across the flat, but there are some really exciting vert parts where the editing has a much faster pace, like Rune Glifberg's THPS3 video and Jake Brown's part in What If.
I agree with what you said about vert. But I would also like to add that I think it was easier for a lot people to learn how to or be able to skate street, than vert. If you want to skate street, just grab a board and walk out your door. If you want to skate vert, you need to have access to a vert ramp, which not everyone does. And you also need a helmet and pads. So, I think it's a lot easier for people to skate street and I think that's why so many more skaters skate street, than vert. I do still love vert though.
The physical tell for spin direction in bmx is which foot they ride forward. Right foot forward being regular and left foot forward being goofy. Regular spins left, tail whips to the right, and throws a bar spin with the right hand. Switch is obviously just the opposite of all that. I actually think its easier to tell switch tricks in bmx because in stead of having to watch half a run and guess like you said in this video you can just take a glance at their feet and know right away.
On the question on why vert died . I think it's about accessibility. Street skating can be done almost anywhere and freestyle can be done literally everywhere but for vert skating you need 100's , upwards to a million dollars like Tony's ramp dedicated to one obstacle. So a large majority of skateboarder dont have access to those ramps whether its distance or even monetary barriers .
I love you're videos so much I like it before it's even been watched. 😊
Same
You remind me of Gabe from The Office.....besides that, love the vids! So much nostolgia!!
The progress meters for each topic is super nice.
I recently skated for a week with a shin guard on my left leg, the football (soccer) ones. I had too much shinners after trying late flips... Shit helped me a lot. The guards I have also cover the ankles with a thick padding, very convenient too!
To your point about street being more popular than vert, I agree from an accessibility point of view anyone can step out side theit front door and skate street, not everyone has access to a vert ramp but what you say about it being slow and boring to watch is exactly how I feel about street competitions these days street league etc it's incredibly boring to watch just back and forth rails and gaps. Nobody does any complete nonstop runs that flow which I know is partly due to the course layout design but I'd rather watch a vert comp any day over a street comp. The best thing to view these days is park because it flows and there is a lot of variation.
Vert might be dead but there’s little elements of it at streets spots that come in handy like bump to rails
In bmx you can tell stance by which foot is in-front of the other like regular your right foot in on-front of your left and goofy is left is in-front of the right
People commenting accessibility, it was same case back when vert was really popular, wayyy less skateparks back then actually even
Although not truly "vert", the Almost Cheese and Crackers video is one of my favorites ever, and is nothing but the craziest ramp skating I've ever seen.
OH MY GOD
I had no idea about the term 'footage' that blew my mind
Death of vert: I came up in a city/town that didn’t have skate parks do you think the death of very was as you mentioned excitement but also because you can skate anywhere on the street like school church public buildings or parking lot but you need a park for vert
anthony martinez no you don’t. Do like we did in the day and build your own vert ramp. It’s not that hard to do.
as many other people said I think it's because most people don't like watching something they aren't experienced in
if you put your board down and pushed it on the sidewalk you've done street staking, it's much harder to do vert
Opposite and normal 360’s are essentially a personalized frontside and backside
It's not only the lack of vert ramps, it's also because most people don't have the guts to skate vert.
I remember when I started skateboarding in 2000, there were so many guys avoiding to learn how to drop in, it was kinda ridiculous, glad there were no scooters around xD Cuz where I live, there are barely newcomers anymore.
The accessibility is a major factor. We have a healthy vert scene where I am because there is 6 vert ramps within an hour of each other and over a dozen vert bowls. I would never have taken it up back where I used to live where there was only 1 gigantic competition one.
The Bongo Player where is this?
@@muphfab Gold Coast, Australia
A "part" is basically a promo or commercial for the skater instead of having to watch a whole team video.
I use shin guards while MTBMXing, their full length thigh high baseball catchers pads because of chain slips and shin Taps on the handlebars when I double crank and Revert.
I have chipped patches out of my left shin because of it, and cranked so hard that the pedals snapped off or the chain detensioned and launched my knees up into my bars.
They're scary Black Tactical scorpion armor style and I have never thought they looked out of place uncomfortable or ridiculous.
Secrets of the schoolyard! Also, I wonder what drone filming would do for vert?
I need to catch up on the new videos! Don't some people call their single parts "edits"?
Patrick Grosvenor an edit would be more like a little one minute montage usually posted to Instagram.
as many others in the comments have said, the main reason vert died off I think is just lack of access to ramps, someone who is just starting out will find it much easier and more accessible to just roll around on their street or in their garage. To skate vert you have to either have a ramp locally, or build one yourself which is not really something many people will want to do. To some extent I think vert seems a lot more daunting to a beginner as well, which probably has some impact on it's popularity.
Great video dude 🤘🏽just wanted to add something about the "stance reporting " to the untrained eye its kinda difficult to tell which stance a person is but for those who already got experirnce is sort of comes natural. Its very true what u sayd about the shoulders but another way that gives away the stance or when a skater goes from regular to switch is the way the push. Nowadays a lot of skaters have learned to push both ways but theres still a few skaters who push mongo before they go switch and they make it look amazing for instance Josh Kalis and Tiago Lemos .
I think that pool and transition skating is coming back pretty well.
A really good video again. Thank you Rad Rat.
In BMX you can totally tell if it is and "regular" or opposide spin, just by looking at them. BMXers also have a stance you always do tricks with the same foot forward, because the pedals are leveled horizontally. It is usually easier for people to spin in the direction of the foot that is back. Same goes for Tailwhips.
Great video, When I think about great vert runs at demos and comps where caution was thrown to the wind I always think of Neil Hendrix, would bust out crazy shit back to back to back
I love when skaters learn to push switch. Makes them look light years ahead. It's just how it should be.
My theory: I think streaming platforms like Netflix or Hulu are going to have an influence on full length skate videos staying relevant. For example, you can buy a physical copy of a board company’s new video, or subscribe to Netflix and watch it because it’s exclusive to their platform. It’ll be a while, and skaters won’t back it right away, but Netflix could easily fund a full length video considering how many new series they put out.
It will be decades after Tony Hawk passes away before he isn’t the first person we think of when we think about skating. And by then, I think skateboarding won’t be very popular anymore.
First person we think of? Rodney Mullen will be talked about by the next species after humans go away
Usually with bikes the more comfortable way to spin is whichever foot you ride to the back. So if you ride right foot forward it is natural to be more comfortable to spin towards your left foot or counter clockwise... from there the only memorization would be for certain riders known to be weirdos that spin more comfortably to their front foot I believe Ryan nyquist does this
That was a nice clip of ben papas. He was clean as hell.
Like Bruce Willis said in Pulp Fiction "Vert's dead baby, Vert's dead"
On wearing shinguards, I don't think it would be that stigmatized since it would make sense when practicing street tricks, at least among skaters. Personally, I don't wear a helmet, but I do wear wrist guards cause I always scrape my palms when I fall. I'd definitely wear a helmet if I tried any vert though.
Great video...wait is that outdated as well ?'Video' What do you think of 'Park' competition, a lot more flow, board flips and sometimes big airs with a lil ol skool. (Pedro Barros style)
Hope your feeling better
I think I understand the coolness factor more than sweatiness but that might just be cause I played sports and I’m used to uncomfortable pads
in BMX you can ride left foot forward or right foot forward and it makes a huge difference in riding as well as tricks, like you said about spinning but also with grinds and technical stall tricks like footjams and vaders, i rode bmx for three years but switch back to skating cus I couldn't afford bike parts and cus skating i also really rad ( some would say more rad )
My shins have always been messed up by a board, but I've never used shin guards. The helmet might be ok though, if you fly all over the skatepark like Andy Anderson. I remember when I started back in the day I actually thought that wearing a helmet would even make me look cooler, probably because Tony Hawk had always worn it, but luckily I didn't have much money to afford one haha
BMX STANCES
Goofy- right foot forward spin left
Regular- left foot forward spin right
Switch goofy- right foot forward spin right
Switch regular left foot forward spin left
Dont forget, Nyjah was in the Tony Hawk games as well, as a young kid
His first appearance was Project 8 if I remember correctly... On the tail end of the series really
Good show my man.
I think street is safer. Remember that one guy who kicked off the lip on that super quarter pipe and landed accidentely 40 ft and landed on the flat and survived?
hope you're ok dude x
Um.. you've been at the top of a vert ramp before right? Case closed 😂
Clay Soggyfries that’s like saying Ratt still plays with one original member.... 80’s metal still thriving.
Yes, I have. Enjoy being on the ground, losing potential, while we have fun ripping it up, flying in the sky.
I'll drop in on a 12 foot vert ramp before hucking myself over a 12 set staircase any day.
Skiing has opposite direction, basically whatever feels more comfortable.
When the Trade Centers got attacked, I got pulled out of school and played Tony Hawk 2 for the rest of the day...
Vert ramps are essentially a luxury good. Street skaters are able to skate anywhere. And real interesting vert ramps like those giant contraptions Danny Way invented are impossible for skaters who are not already famous to even get close to. But that does not by any means indicate that vert is dead or boring. Vert emphasizes extreme speed and boundless air. Those are the apex of skating can skate both street circuits and vert, but vert allows for much more extreme tricks at the edge. Street is better for the average skater (and mean the average pro, not an ameteur) to show off their technical chops. But unless you are Gino Ionnucci, you will be doing street tricks at a fraction of the speed of vert skaters. Plus, the landscape of vert ramps themselves are able to really show who can maintain a long line without mistakes. Street lines depend on the obstacles in one's path in addition to skill. Vert lines depend purely on skill. It may not be as exciting if one is not an alpha vert skater, but vert is definitely a better venue for measuring skill in contests for instance. Since you will have been practicing in an almost identical environment, environment no longer matters. Only vert skill does. However, I do not think either vert or street are superior. They are just different skating disciplines and good ld will shine in any environment over time.
The vert skater who has money may have an advantage at the beginning, but no more than a street skater who grew up in an urban are vs one who grew up in a rural or suburban one. Time will equalize this though, and even kids in the suburbs bs can afford to go to a skate park with ramps.
This video was uploaded 9 mins ago... Just for footage of mine
street was the future, vert you had to know a guy who knew the guy who had a ramp or knew a pool to skate. and once street came about a kid could skateboard anywhere in any city all you need was a board!
We need Stacey to film an edit the vert.
So, what you're saying is, those with the shortest of short attention spans don't enjoy watching vert skating because of the one or two seconds of transitions, flat, and setups in between tricks. 😉
Its not attention grabbing. It's boring. So is freestyle. To those who don't appreciate it, it's just a bunch of stuff the don't care about happening slowly. Like sitting through a distant relatives graduation. Big moment, sure. Does it at all matter to me? No. I promise you if they pay attention it's still boring. What the video actually said is that vert is painfully repetitive, freestyle doesn't make much sense to this who don't care about it, and street has more variety. Also street more accessible and 'cool' so kids tend to choose that.
I love to skate. But a board to my ankle or shin area irritates me and makes me mad. I would definitely wear shin guards with an ankle protector. if a skate company made a vented nice pair that's not restrictive and comfortable I would buy them. A enjoyable skate session could be free from the anger and frustration of when the trucks axle gets you in the shin.
if you want an action packed vert part check out Jake Brown in what if, he literally only touches his board twice
Not like there was very Ramos all over the place. Maybe out in Cali but growing up in the south in the mid, late 80’s and again in the mid , late 90’s... there wasn’t much vert around.
Backyard pool skating is the street skating of vert and transition
What comes to blading. Blading had UNNATURAL back in the days...it were doing same tricks with "other footed", like if you used to girnd right foot back, when you grind with left foot back, it's "unnatural"...but if you don't know guys unnatural, it's hard to define what's unnatural.
I can't speak about the BMX stance but I assume it's similar to MTB stances, where the foot you put in front decides your stance, left foot forward being regular and right foot forward being goofy.
My name is Ian and I came here to find out about the death of vert... That was a bit surreal lol
Lol same I literally typed why vert died in search bar clicked on the video and when it gets to that part I'm like yes I did
I'm to scared of vert but honestly Danny ways part in the dc video is probably the best skateboarding video part of all time , imo , I also think dea won songs part in Deca second to none was the best also , it's a hard call honestly but Jake Brown in what if was banging too! I also liked Tony Hawks ramp gap in the desert in adios one step beyond.
Shinners suck but ankle taps are the actual devil. plus my feet get sweaty as is so I think at least ankle guards should be a thing, they're small so they wont be an eyesore, they protect from the 2nd worst minor injury in skateboarding.. cmon why isnt this a thing!
Check out FPInsoles they make socks that have shin and ankle protectors. have been around for years
Death of vert: I wanna day street is very action packed while very skating is a little bit slow but very has a super wow factor in it too. I also think it has to do with the age of vert. Vert has been around for quite awhile more than street has been around. And it also has to do with availability cuz street you can do anywhere vert you need a half pipe of some sorts.
I guess its up to me to try to evolve vert