People will find anything to complain about. It's funny how everyone has lots to say about these so called "fake spots", yet very little about the shit he did in the video. If you're more concerned about how "real" a spot is than the tricks in the part, then you're just a poser
This is the stupidest comment about this. The discussion has nothing to do with his skating, simply the setting, the spots. If you wanna talk about how good or stylish Berra is, your on the wrong video. You sir are a poser
If Berra really felt that way then why not just film his part in a skate park rather than going through the effort of faking spots to trick people? That's like if I bought Mcdonalds and told everyone I made it myself, then when people found out I told everyone that I'm a single dad so I'm allowed to do this.
And if its small town shit its chill aslong as the diy isnt perfect cuz small towns dont have spots and i have to build a diy to even get clips but its not like im putting a png of bricks over it its obvious im skating a wooden ledge with sum angle iron or no angle iron if u live in a city or a place with lots of spots then the diy has to be sourced like trust me if i could film 100% street i would but i simply dont have the resources to do so
I think that it's the same reason we don't want to see skatepatk footage. Creativity in street skating is all about the spot; you don't really go looking for a perfect spot - instead, the creativity comes from what you can do at an imperfect spot. Bringing your own perfect obstacles to skate is completely removing that aspect of street skating, which is what I personally feel makes street skating what it is. It also greatly reduces the difficulty of getting the clip, besides not having to battle security etc, you also get to practice the trick as much as you like at home. A lot of the difficulty of street skating is adjusting the trick to the nuances of the spot. Berra pretty much said it; doing it the real way would be to hard to organise - but we don't like street skating because it's easy.
So is Rodney Mullen cheating when he makes DIY obstacles to skate? Are you cheating when you wax a ledge to make it more grindable? I agree with you to a certain extent, but I think all this skateboarding puritanism stuff is a little ridiculous and goes too far.
This is really well put. I think it boils down to pretending to be street skating. Most people would have been fine seeing these lines in a park. But when you pretend to be street skating and aren't, you make the viewer feel cheated when they figure out you're lying to them.
If Berra can smash a flip back-tail, shove-it out and immediately after that fakie flip a stair set, all at the speed seen in the video, I don't give a shit if the ledges are CGI.
@@Willisbillis3 street skating was about finding something organic and exploring what you can do on it, theres a reason people stopped bringing launch ramps with them to street spots
Not really, I really thought skaters took pride in their 'street skating'. I don't see how this is any different to park tricks then (I honestly don't care tbh, I can watch Joslin in his local all day- which is like half his ig clips)
Mondo Mamma Brains Exactly. I don't understand why people complain so much about miniscule things. They are good skaters, producing cool tricks, which is all that matters
its an ego issue. He did what he did because he saw an opportunity to film a part and look cool all while minimising his output and effort. Is what he did wrong? No, of course not, he's not hurting anybody so who the hell are we to judge how he lives his life. The problem I think alot of people subconsciously have with this is that it completely takes away from the raw aesthetic of skateboarding, if this was how majority of pro skaters put out their parts, or if skateboarding was centred around SLS and xgames then the essence wouldn't be there, the foundations have been lost. When I was a 16 year old kid we didn't wake up at 5am to sneak out and go skate the university to look cool or in the hopes of making money. It was a lifestyle, it was rebellious, it was invigorating, it was something to do. When you start manufacturing your surroundings to appear more theatrical or to boost your ego you start to lose the essence of what skateboarding came from and what it still is.
well it doesn't take the raw aesthetic from skateboarding as its a single trick in each part. (sorry if thats what you ment.). So it more just hurts the trick itself as he did have lots of street tricks in there. He's skated real spots 99% of the time.. If such spots existed he'd be high on the list of people that could them (at least at that time). like does anyone think he couldn't do those specific tricks if he has less tries or a few cracks? ..he has done with so many other harder tricks in real spots ....too me the deception if intended is not cool. Otherwise i think the trick suffers for difficulty and aesthetics. the cool thing to do for people is dock a few points and move on. not question his career and skills getting mad about ''faking spots'' like some people are
What do you mean "you don't hear much from Flip anymore". Never saw them as being off the radar with Alec Majerus, Louie Lopex and Gonzales etc. Flip is definitely still super solid.
i took it as, while flip still has riders that are killing it, the company as a whole doesn't have the same huge presence as they did back in the "Sorry" days. i think they're just overdue for a new awesome video.
VLSkate Yeah in the early 00s flips presence was huge. Its not a team thats getting much publicity anymore, which is crazy because the team is stacked. Theres just too many teams now.
I kinda think of this as skating a skatepark and putting the footage in your videopart. The major part of filming a video part is skating the streets (unless you are a bowl skater etc), and to some degree I think you can build/modify spots to make them more skateable but when you completely fabricate a spot that's a little too much in my opinon.
yeah he can do whatever he wants but it's obviously not as cool, why else would they add camouflage? you were injured, had a kid, that's why you weren't as dedicated and so your part was less sick than someone who had more to put into it.
Especially when you do it to deceive people. If you don't have the time to look for actual spots or you're not willing to trespass, fight security guards, etc. then why don't you just film a skatepark videopart? Or you can always skate benches and picnic tables in schools... Some people may not like it, but it's definitely more honest than fabricating the spots to fake that you are a street skateboarder. Sorry but I'm not okey with that because there is clearly an intention to make your fans think something that it's not true.
Action sports. More media. More progression. More money. More people doing the activity. Parks built for skateboarding. Less creativity. Less sincerity. More lameness with people deceiving with fake props. And more of the feeling and joy of discovery being taken away.
I think too many people create stipulations that are completely unnecessary in skateboarding and life. Rules stagnate progress. We need to be open minded, think outside the box, try new things, hold back judgement. New shit seems odd because it's new and different and creative. Some people aren't ready for that. Don't be afraid to skate however or whatever you want and that's how we progress as a society.
Why is this even a thing? It's not like he built a fake gnarly organic back yard ditch . That's not even the kind of skating he does anyway. He skates that run of the mill generic skatepark stuff you find at the berrics. I'm not knocking it, he's a great skater. But to be knocked for making a grind rail and a ledge? Seems kinda silly to me. Make it, find it, grind it, skate it. Excuse me, I have to go skate the drainage ditch in front of my house . Have fun, that's what skating is
I agree 100%...why do people have to over analyze everything and just not accept it for what it is. Steve B is a great skater. He shouldn't even be explaining himself.
Agree like seriously who gives a shit if he put a box there. As long as he does a legit trick and is having fun(remember skateboarding is about having fun) Who gives a shit where he skateboarding you guys are focusing too much on shit that doesn't matter
People care because it’s cheating. Tons of kids can rip a smooth, perfect skatepark like nothing. But try and do your same tricks on a similar size feature in the street and you get humbled fast. The slightest angle, dip, crack, rough asphalt, etc etc etc and you go from kickflip back tail to struggle getting a 5-0. Look at pro parts vs b-roll. Legit parts have maybe 1 skatepark trick, maybe. All your park tricks go into b-roll. Case in point: Joslin’s instagram. Berra is disguising a park as the street. So like I said, cheatin.
I don’t think Mr. Berra was trying to “dupe” anyone. Like he said, he’s a single dad, running a business, and coming off surgery. He wanted to put out an aesthetically pleasing video with solid, quality tricks. Being a father of two, who grew up in the 90s skate scene, I appreciate that he wanted to put out the best work he could with the time he had available. It’s about the tricks guys.
I think being original by moving obstacles is okay. You're still street skating (they are not boxes or rails made for that). But making a spot look harder to skate than it really is, that's wrong
He put them there as Well. Koston did the same thing. I mean i dont really see a problem with it, Hell i would do it as long as it wasnt some k.o.t.r. thing. Im just letting you know why greco "found" the spots
I don't see any issue with adding coping to the Allstate sign. Like you said, it's a diy thing and while they didn't come out and say, "we altered this sign to be skateable", they aren't necessarily trying to be misleading.
"Fake spots" are irrelevant. Example is if you see east coast skating it's haggard and typically older and can be seen as more "difficult". If you have skated in NYC you know what I mean versus like San Diego. The ground is rough and ledges aren't the same and even stair sizes change and it's hard to depict those factors in a skate video.
I think modifying a spot a little bit is alright. Like putting aboard under a metal grate to make a kicker. But welding two handrails and setting them up like they've been there the whole time. That's kinda cheating, feels like he's skating a park. Dope video SkateRat, keep it coming!
I think it's about transparency. If in the video they make it very clear that the spot was made up/fabricated/modified, then hell, I don't care as long as they're honest and up front about it. Just land some sick tricks and it's cool. The only thing that bugs me is the intent to deceive.
Conner of Dill Creek Definitely cheating. Spots should be skated like they are or modified for creativity, like that euro gap. He used it to make a line. Bringing rails? That's not even a spot, you can put those anywhere.
Klisk Like when Sheckler mirrored video to say he was skating switch. The fucking idiot mirrored a spot that he did a regular trick in the same footage.
Tiago Lemos and some others were skating the Allstate sign recently at Peace Park. I wonder how it got there ? Its after a bit of diy park footage on a clip called Dime Glory Challenge 2017 HD by SKATEJAWN. Running time is 3:07
Steve berra and koston are some straight up goofballs theres no denying that but lets be honest, who cares about modifying skate spots. Only way there should be a problem with that is if it was some sort of K.O.T.R. style shoot where everyone has to find a weirdly specific spot and one team just makes the spot
The only problem with Berras fake spots is that he tried to make them look like real street, while Daewon, Mullen and Haslam are upfront about setting or fixing a spot. Other than that Berras skating is badass.
You yourself pointed out that the bricks had angle irons and the loading dock dead ended saying “no deliveries”; aren’t those both obvious signs that the scenes were staged or fake?
could be side of loading dock that is for loading truck not unloading? and i have seen bricks with coping not for skating but so the bricks dont chip away.
In my town we have two benches with angle Iron on the edges and I have some friends that will go to ledges that are blown out and put angle iron on them
"...and just wanted to see you skate." There he answered it. There is no need to fake a spot. Set up whatever you gotta setup but no need to try to hide you set it up. I just want to see you skate.
If you watch skate more Berra had a injury and after recovery had a very short deadline so doing these Rails in spots n adding angle iron saved time traveling far to find new spots. I dunno was still good part.
Bottom left corner, those three heavy books are the Complete Calvin & Hobbes by the one and only Bill Watterson. Maybe I'm not the first one to point it out, but I still find it really cool that this masterpiece is on your shelf!
I think watching you skate would be more funny then the fact Berra modified or created his own spots . Actually pretty creative. And he’s a gnarly skater for his time for sure .
I think some skaters are way too critical.. skating is about style and making something out of nothing. It's also about having fun, and some are talented and lucky enough to do that for a living.. who cares what he set up and skated, he still did some awesome lines and tricks. Steve Berra is a legend...
I have a line I have been wanting to film. its a high pop ollie to a kickflip down a downhill ledge then regular bigflip this bank to a kickflip coming off the bottom of the bank(over 3 feet crack gap) I can then ride down the hill the rest of the way popping 3 flips or what have you. Idk if i should throw something else in or what? do I have to have grinds in my video for it to be good? Its going to be very hard to find someone to film this trick so I want my approach to be planned out lol
I think the fake spots are awesome and every single person that skates would love to do what he was doing on those fake spots. I don’t skate anymore I skated in the 90s and early 2000’s and we all would make our own rails and bring them to our local spots to make them better because we didn’t have any skate parks to go to. I think 100% of skaters are guilty of creating fake spots . Great content on your page, just found it this week.
yea, just like with Daewon - if you just make it clear that you set some shit up to skate then its all good..... Its the act of trying to conceal it so that someone might not know that you have tampered with the perception that is a tad shady.... its just human nature to feel some sort of way about something sightly disingenuous like that
I honestly see where people are coming from, I also hardly care if it's a real spot, I'd just as soon see the trick in a set like that, as I would in a real spot. I mean yeah it's not as "real" but what do I care? I'd be just as happy watching someone do classic freestyle in their garage as long as they're having fun I don't care where it happens. I don't care if it's set up for a shoot. I want to see people having fun, and doing their thing in a way that makes them happy.
Koston also did a line on those yellow rails in fully flared. I truly don't think it matters if you set up spots or not. If it looks good it looks good.
I think it's awesome Berra is showing the creativity to make these spots happen, I bet there's a lot of pros that would want to skate those spots, which is how people probably found out they were fake in the first place. They went there to skate the spot.
Two comments: 1) Jenkem interviewed Berra September 2017 and he addressed this. I think it's fine to build what you skate. 2) Rad Rat, what do you have to say on skating in the Olympics? I'm very interested in hearing your opinion! My opinion is skating is more of an artful style than a competition based 'sport'.
I know of a bunch of ledges that have angle iron or metal reinforcement. I don't know if those brick ledges were skate boxes with screen print but those type of things do exist. I think he would have a bit more leniency if they were just plywood boxes if they were skater made.
nice analysis :D I don' t really like Steve Berra but I have nothing against building spots and filming skateparts on them. It is also a kind of art, seeing a perfect flat, bringing a perfect box and doing a perfect trick on it. Even if he painted it I see no problem. It is still street. So many places that I am passing every day would be great for such tuning
So what this guy is saying is that he has little to no credit as a skater just because he didn't want to waste his time finding a new place to skate. By the way, can this guy really talk if he looks like Napoleon Dynamite during his midlife crisis?
In 411 issue 44, Kris Markovich glues metal coping on a brick ledge but this is still considered street. Berra tried to trick us to think he was on a brick ledge with metal coping so it's looked down upon. I guess the determining factor is honesty. If it's a built spot, and you're not trying to deceive anyone, then it's ok. If you're trying to make it look "street", with the intention of tricking the audience, then it's wrong.
As an outsider who's never skated and don't really know how I came to be watching this video, that sucks man, I'd expect skating to be as raw and honest as possible.
I am not agreeing or disagreeing but my warehouse has loading docks that do not accept deliveries. They are only for outgoing loading. If we didnt mark them as "No Deliveries" then delivery drivers would take up docks we need open, and drivers who showed up to pick up a load would be pissed the scheduled time we set was delayed. Just saying.
Ppl love to hate Berra. He brings boxes and ppl shit on him. Daewon builds a park with picnic tables, he’s a god. Rowley brings a ramp to frontside flip over LA river, he’s a legend. Berra brings a rail, he’s a kook. Paul Rodriguez and Jamie Thomas are Christians, they’re respected. Berra might be a scientologist and he’s crazy. SMH
I don't have a twitter so I'll ask here. Why are riser pads looked down upon these days? Back in the late 90s I remember many people having them, and a lot of completes were sold with them. Now you hardly see them and you don't see them in stock much.
I still use them every time I set up a new board, but yeah, young kids mostly don't. I think if you skate on a perfect concrete ground, you don't really need them, but on a rough street asphalt it makes you ride a bit smoother. Also you don't get that many wheel bites
James Garcia I ride the semi soft semi hard thin riser pads. They cut road vibration, keep the hardware from loosening as fast and they give just that little but not too much extra wheel clearance. OCD just won't let me ride without them.
They're sorta rare in the UK. I used them originally to help absorb impact and vibrations. I used to have multiple on each truck so it would also cause a greater lever effect for popping ollies higher. I've been trying to cut down on them so I can get some stylish bs n fs rock n rolls happening.
Great skateboarding is great skateboarding. I appreciate Steve for everything he's done for the sport. Hes created and opportunity for people to come together as a community to skate. Its seems like so many new age skaters are worried about all the wrong things instead of the effort it takes to allow the sport to grow so that our culture as skaters thrive and become better. I skated before it was cool before people judged each other for being different. While it's fine for everyone to have an opinion we've all made decisions as skaters to be creative in and our of the park by using a board and quad tricks and wheels to make shit happen
Has any pointed out that the ledges with the printed brick texture weren't supposed to look like he was grinding ON the brick, but rather that they were one of those cement-bench-on-a-brick-base type things? I'm not too fond of taking obstacles to spots for the sake of filming, though I wouldn't mind having some for a casual skate session.
But, you know, considering what he said about his kid and all that, I can definitely sympathize with him and see why he might have chose to go the route he did. All in all, I've always liked Berra, and I don't think those "fake" or altered spots delegitimize him as a skateboarder or person at all.
I admire that while running the berrics and raising a child alone he filmed a legit video part using whatever he had at his disposal to do so. Nothing wrong with making awesome spots to skate in my opinion. Esp if you are a ledge/rail skater.
As long as the tricks themselves are real I can't see the problem? I've been skating since the 80s and everyone I ever skated with "set up" stuff like this. So did the pro's in videos.. I think this is nitpicking... if placing a box or making a ledge grindable with a rail is fake - then waxing a curb is fake as well... goodbye grinding anything but metal. Completing a cool natural line with a few set-up's is perfectly alright. Kinda sad Mr Berra has to lay out his personal life this way to get people to shut up. I do however agree that the sign part was a bit over the top. A regular wooden box would have been just fine :- )
Tricks are tricks, no matter what they're done on. And every one of us who was skating back then couldn't believe that Berra even got enough footy to have the DVS part.
I think it’s bad ass that Berra made obstacles in the streets. You ever try to do that?? It’s fucking ridiculously hard to find spots to even do that, let alone ACTUALLY construct something sick. In my book not only does it “count” but it makes it cooler. It ain’t cheap to build what he built and transporting big ass ledges.. materials, tools, power, generators, gas, etc…. Under the cover of darkness. Fuck yeah Steve. Legendary.
That allstate location is at the corner of Fulton and Riverside Rd in Sherman Oaks... dunno if it was actually ever an allstate or not because in the background you can see blockbuster and rite aid; now only rite aid exists across the street.
Drako_Vox ha that sounds super fun there was this old fridge i came across once in this alleyway and it was super fun to grind but it was only there for like a day then it dissapeared, those things can take a lotta abuse, it had like weird textured sheet metal which was kinda bumpy but slippery. would that be considered a fake spot or like just a temporary spot?
Eli Aurelio haha I’d say an improv spot. Honestly I don’t think there’s such a thing as a fake spot honestly, I think it’s the skating that matters. Shoot, the mega ramp should be considered a fake spot by those standards
Drako_Vox ah yeah that makes more sense that itd be like called an improv spot, haha yeah i think the mega ramp is like an actual spot just the total opposite of improvized, haha i think whatd be a funny improvized spot would be like a folding bench with a dollar store table cloth with brick print then when you film it you see the bricks blowing in the wind
I kind of get the criticism about the fake spots, even though it really should be mostly about the tricks. I remember back in the day finding/scouting spots was a huge part of skating for us. We’d ride bikes for hours just to get a look at a rail or ledge or gap and later when we had a car we’d drive hours to other towns and states for a 15 minute session at a spot we’d get kicked out from almost immediately. We’d bribe security guards for one last try and run from the police. That risk and amount of time it takes to find and skate a good spot is a huge part of skateboard culture, and it seems like a cop out to build spots instead. THAT SAID, however, I completely get where Berra is coming from. First, he’s put in his dues grinding out legit spots probably more than most pros, and second, like he said, he’s a grown man with a family and a company to run, and probably can’t afford taking the risks involved in finding and skating 100% real street spots as much as he used to.
there are so many different types of skating. you have the all naturals like curved driveways to make launches over walls then you have fabricated street like street league. when it comes down to it, skateboarding is skateboarding. we can't be too outraged in the end.
You are obviously a very intellectual person. Couldn't have said it better myself. I would like for you to talk more about your knee injury. I broke my tibia in a half about a year ago and I am just now getting back on the board, what do you think about injuries and aging and longevity in skateboarding? Obviously genetics and diet and other things can come into play . (Eg. Drug abuse and surgeries).
watching this again.. does anyone know if the brick spot with the angle iron is a real ledge and they just put metal on top or they built a box and put like brick wallpaper on the side of a box? cause that is extreme.. but it's essentially a prop in his mind like i mentioned in my last comment.
Kris Markovich showed us how to angle iron brick ledges in the early 2000’s in a 411. They filmed the trip to Home Depot and everything. It was widely acceptable. I think we should appreciate the extra difficulty when it’s there, but not downplay the result when it isn’t presented by the obstacle.
I don't typically comment on videos, or even skate any more except for the occasional ride on my longboard, but fuck this guy. Homie is killing it in those videos. If I was out doing that shit with some friends, and making it look that awesome, nobody would give a fuck where we got our platforms/signs or rails from for the tricks in the videos. Nothing wrong with building onto a spot if it enhances the experience. Shit, big screen Hollywood movies have entire sets built for them. I think it's artistic, inventive, and commendable. I suppose there has to be a video on youtube for everything though...
The main gripe I have is that it seems like he's really trying to pass it off like a natural spot, whereas if he was just building a spot to skate and leaving it there forever than that would be fine if he just acknowledged they were faje
I say that the only fair criticism of Berra is Scientology.
Steve is, isn't he?
unun septium Not that talks about himself like he invented skateboarding?
Is he seriously a Scientologist??
The more I hear about Berra the more I'm thinking he's a douche.
I would say the same with all religions
I didn't even know this was a thing. People are crazy. Finding anything they can complain about.
il complain all day about faking it/kooks
bennbo DIY doesnt make someone a kook
theres a difference between DIY and faking a street spot you mong
People will find anything to complain about. It's funny how everyone has lots to say about these so called "fake spots", yet very little about the shit he did in the video. If you're more concerned about how "real" a spot is than the tricks in the part, then you're just a poser
This is the stupidest comment about this. The discussion has nothing to do with his skating, simply the setting, the spots. If you wanna talk about how good or stylish Berra is, your on the wrong video. You sir are a poser
Berra always fights with kids on the internet
thats my only dislike about the guy, and his shitty jokes lol. but whatever. hes done alot for skateboarding i understand he must be frustrated.
he blocked me on the berrics insta
@@Sam-ql4um same
Funny there’s a new controversy him fighting a guy over a meme
If Berra really felt that way then why not just film his part in a skate park rather than going through the effort of faking spots to trick people? That's like if I bought Mcdonalds and told everyone I made it myself, then when people found out I told everyone that I'm a single dad so I'm allowed to do this.
I’m perfectly fine with moving benches and pallets around in street parts as long as you’re sourcing them from the spot.
And if its small town shit its chill aslong as the diy isnt perfect cuz small towns dont have spots and i have to build a diy to even get clips but its not like im putting a png of bricks over it its obvious im skating a wooden ledge with sum angle iron or no angle iron if u live in a city or a place with lots of spots then the diy has to be sourced like trust me if i could film 100% street i would but i simply dont have the resources to do so
I think that it's the same reason we don't want to see skatepatk footage. Creativity in street skating is all about the spot; you don't really go looking for a perfect spot - instead, the creativity comes from what you can do at an imperfect spot. Bringing your own perfect obstacles to skate is completely removing that aspect of street skating, which is what I personally feel makes street skating what it is. It also greatly reduces the difficulty of getting the clip, besides not having to battle security etc, you also get to practice the trick as much as you like at home. A lot of the difficulty of street skating is adjusting the trick to the nuances of the spot. Berra pretty much said it; doing it the real way would be to hard to organise - but we don't like street skating because it's easy.
seanylewl ... The irony. He probably thought he was creative and artistic bringing in the fake brick ledge.
So is Rodney Mullen cheating when he makes DIY obstacles to skate? Are you cheating when you wax a ledge to make it more grindable?
I agree with you to a certain extent, but I think all this skateboarding puritanism stuff is a little ridiculous and goes too far.
i think it's dope when someone finds something there to skate on too though, like moving a bench or trash can or some shit
Well said
This is really well put. I think it boils down to pretending to be street skating. Most people would have been fine seeing these lines in a park. But when you pretend to be street skating and aren't, you make the viewer feel cheated when they figure out you're lying to them.
Who cares if he made a set for a film? Good for him
highkari hahahahahahahahaha no
Yeah it’s diy unless he lies and says it’s a street spot he didn’t make
its like a Coke in a bottle compared to a Coke in a can. Same beverage different flavor.
@ shut the fuck up
@@robert48044 yeah except the other flavour tastes like shit. Stupid analogy.
If Berra can smash a flip back-tail, shove-it out and immediately after that fakie flip a stair set, all at the speed seen in the video, I don't give a shit if the ledges are CGI.
right?
Then why not just do it as a park and not be a lieing bitch
But oh wait that's not as cool.... Cause it's easier
@@Willisbillis3 street skating was about finding something organic and exploring what you can do on it, theres a reason people stopped bringing launch ramps with them to street spots
Not really, I really thought skaters took pride in their 'street skating'. I don't see how this is any different to park tricks then (I honestly don't care tbh, I can watch Joslin in his local all day- which is like half his ig clips)
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Personally, I just want to see the best skating possible.
Mondo Mamma Brains Exactly. I don't understand why people complain so much about miniscule things. They are good skaters, producing cool tricks, which is all that matters
completely understand not wanting to kicked out of places when you're a grown man
I agree. It doesn't make me think that part was any less sick. I just want to watch a good part that gets me hyped to skate.
Meh, I don't even want to see the best. I just want to see competent skaters having fun.
Yea like shouldnt the tricks and the style be what matters? I get the deception of it but if it's small why does it matter?
There are no rules in skateboarding!
*don't hold the trucks*
@@k1llerm0th56 I've seen mike v mall grab
K1llerm0th who cares if ur mall grabbing doe-it’s not rly a big deal unless ur about to throw down
@@k1llerm0th56 that rule is only ever "enforced" by twelvies, mall grabbing is sick
its an ego issue. He did what he did because he saw an opportunity to film a part and look cool all while minimising his output and effort. Is what he did wrong? No, of course not, he's not hurting anybody so who the hell are we to judge how he lives his life. The problem I think alot of people subconsciously have with this is that it completely takes away from the raw aesthetic of skateboarding, if this was how majority of pro skaters put out their parts, or if skateboarding was centred around SLS and xgames then the essence wouldn't be there, the foundations have been lost. When I was a 16 year old kid we didn't wake up at 5am to sneak out and go skate the university to look cool or in the hopes of making money. It was a lifestyle, it was rebellious, it was invigorating, it was something to do. When you start manufacturing your surroundings to appear more theatrical or to boost your ego you start to lose the essence of what skateboarding came from and what it still is.
well it doesn't take the raw aesthetic from skateboarding as its a single trick in each part. (sorry if thats what you ment.). So it more just hurts the trick itself as he did have lots of street tricks in there. He's skated real spots 99% of the time.. If such spots existed he'd be high on the list of people that could them (at least at that time). like does anyone think he couldn't do those specific tricks if he has less tries or a few cracks? ..he has done with so many other harder tricks in real spots ....too me the deception if intended is not cool. Otherwise i think the trick suffers for difficulty and aesthetics. the cool thing to do for people is dock a few points and move on. not question his career and skills getting mad about ''faking spots'' like some people are
What do you mean "you don't hear much from Flip anymore". Never saw them as being off the radar with Alec Majerus, Louie Lopex and Gonzales etc.
Flip is definitely still super solid.
yeah weird comment, especially where he says 'surprisingly' flip has had some of the best... Tom penny!!
i took it as, while flip still has riders that are killing it, the company as a whole doesn't have the same huge presence as they did back in the "Sorry" days. i think they're just overdue for a new awesome video.
Don't forget Current bun Caples
Niko Kääpä dont they have Luan
VLSkate Yeah in the early 00s flips presence was huge. Its not a team thats getting much publicity anymore, which is crazy because the team is stacked. Theres just too many teams now.
Yo radrat, add a donation link because that shirt is ugly and you wear it too much haha all jokes keep killin it
I'm surprised he hasn't been offered sponsors.
donate because they provide good content. Shirt is cool AF IMO
The shirt is pretty nice tbh.
You just exposed your complete lack of fashion sense bro
theLearner nah, he’s actually right
I kinda think of this as skating a skatepark and putting the footage in your videopart.
The major part of filming a video part is skating the streets (unless you are a bowl skater etc), and to some degree I think you can build/modify spots to make them more skateable but when you completely fabricate a spot that's a little too much in my opinon.
yeah he can do whatever he wants but it's obviously not as cool, why else would they add camouflage? you were injured, had a kid, that's why you weren't as dedicated and so your part was less sick than someone who had more to put into it.
Especially when you do it to deceive people. If you don't have the time to look for actual spots or you're not willing to trespass, fight security guards, etc. then why don't you just film a skatepark videopart? Or you can always skate benches and picnic tables in schools... Some people may not like it, but it's definitely more honest than fabricating the spots to fake that you are a street skateboarder. Sorry but I'm not okey with that because there is clearly an intention to make your fans think something that it's not true.
Action sports. More media. More progression. More money. More people doing the activity. Parks built for skateboarding. Less creativity. Less sincerity. More lameness with people deceiving with fake props. And more of the feeling and joy of discovery being taken away.
Malachai Hough .... In my opinion, none. Most of us don't make money from skateboarding. I'd make my own boards if it came down to that and be happy.
I think too many people create stipulations that are completely unnecessary in skateboarding and life. Rules stagnate progress. We need to be open minded, think outside the box, try new things, hold back judgement. New shit seems odd because it's new and different and creative. Some people aren't ready for that. Don't be afraid to skate however or whatever you want and that's how we progress as a society.
You pronounced those Español words pretty well....
Caliente en las calles :v
I thought "fake spots" were faithful copies of famous skate spots built somewhere else, like a skatepark. I think that would be awesome tbh.
This is the coolest idea ever
Why is this even a thing? It's not like he built a fake gnarly organic back yard ditch . That's not even the kind of skating he does anyway. He skates that run of the mill generic skatepark stuff you find at the berrics. I'm not knocking it, he's a great skater. But to be knocked for making a grind rail and a ledge? Seems kinda silly to me. Make it, find it, grind it, skate it.
Excuse me, I have to go skate the drainage ditch in front of my house . Have fun, that's what skating is
i like find it make it grind it skate it. good rhyming and phrase 'come-up-with'ing
I agree 100%...why do people have to over analyze everything and just not accept it for what it is. Steve B is a great skater. He shouldn't even be explaining himself.
Steve Berra is an imposter! He's no better than a street magician, waving yellow flatbars & angle iron ledges in your face.
Agree like seriously who gives a shit if he put a box there. As long as he does a legit trick and is having fun(remember skateboarding is about having fun) Who gives a shit where he skateboarding you guys are focusing too much on shit that doesn't matter
People care because it’s cheating. Tons of kids can rip a smooth, perfect skatepark like nothing. But try and do your same tricks on a similar size feature in the street and you get humbled fast. The slightest angle, dip, crack, rough asphalt, etc etc etc and you go from kickflip back tail to struggle getting a 5-0.
Look at pro parts vs b-roll. Legit parts have maybe 1 skatepark trick, maybe. All your park tricks go into b-roll. Case in point: Joslin’s instagram. Berra is disguising a park as the street. So like I said, cheatin.
Jim Greco skates the brick ledges and the Allstate sign in baker 3.
Was going to say that but saw your comment
Those ledges were made for that building. It used to be a warehouse to a skate company. But the Allstate sign is real.
exactly what I was going to say. there were also some photo sequences in the skateboard mag back in the day too
Koston skated the ledges in Fully Flared as well.
Jeron Wilson also had a line or two at the brick ledges.
Steve Berra blocked me on instagram and I still have no clue why
KT Productions Germany Same here
Blocked me on Twitter also
Lmfao I got blocked by The Berrics and idk why
Same what the fuck is up with him
@@theguywithanobjective482 Scientology is whats up with him.
I don’t think Mr. Berra was trying to “dupe” anyone. Like he said, he’s a single dad, running a business, and coming off surgery. He wanted to put out an aesthetically pleasing video with solid, quality tricks. Being a father of two, who grew up in the 90s skate scene, I appreciate that he wanted to put out the best work he could with the time he had available. It’s about the tricks guys.
I think being original by moving obstacles is okay. You're still street skating (they are not boxes or rails made for that). But making a spot look harder to skate than it really is, that's wrong
Jim Greco literally hits all the “fake” spots in Baker 3
He put them there as Well. Koston did the same thing. I mean i dont really see a problem with it, Hell i would do it as long as it wasnt some k.o.t.r. thing. Im just letting you know why greco "found" the spots
I remember this from Steve Berra and the truth is that after so many years it seems completely nonsense to call this "false" 😂😂
Hey man you taught me how to kick flip about 11 years ago, good to see you still doing your thing!
that deca video is the one of the dopest videos ever made, everyone should watch
Ay what up pimp
greco skates that same spot with the "fake" brick ledge and the red rail in baker 3 and greco doesnt strike me as the kind to skate fake spots
Interesting fact is that Steve also had an acting career, so that mindset might also influenced this whole filming scene set up thing.
was just thinking that!
I could literally listen to this guy all day,something about him makes me listen
I don't see any issue with adding coping to the Allstate sign. Like you said, it's a diy thing and while they didn't come out and say, "we altered this sign to be skateable", they aren't necessarily trying to be misleading.
The brick spot looks like something at The Berrics
"Fake spots" are irrelevant. Example is if you see east coast skating it's haggard and typically older and can be seen as more "difficult". If you have skated in NYC you know what I mean versus like San Diego. The ground is rough and ledges aren't the same and even stair sizes change and it's hard to depict those factors in a skate video.
I think modifying a spot a little bit is alright. Like putting aboard under a metal grate to make a kicker. But welding two handrails and setting them up like they've been there the whole time. That's kinda cheating, feels like he's skating a park. Dope video SkateRat, keep it coming!
I think it's about transparency. If in the video they make it very clear that the spot was made up/fabricated/modified, then hell, I don't care as long as they're honest and up front about it. Just land some sick tricks and it's cool. The only thing that bugs me is the intent to deceive.
Conner of Dill Creek Definitely cheating. Spots should be skated like they are or modified for creativity, like that euro gap. He used it to make a line. Bringing rails? That's not even a spot, you can put those anywhere.
Klisk Like when Sheckler mirrored video to say he was skating switch. The fucking idiot mirrored a spot that he did a regular trick in the same footage.
All hail Scientology
Tiago Lemos and some others were skating the Allstate sign recently at Peace Park. I wonder how it got there ? Its after a bit of diy park footage on a clip called Dime Glory Challenge 2017 HD by SKATEJAWN. Running time is 3:07
Dime Bob is The sign master now
0:29 Based off this impressive pronunciation, I'd bet Rad Rat is bilingual!
Shane Asman probably but except the exaggerated tone of voice.
Trilingual. He speaks ‘nerd’ for sure 😂
The spot at 5:00 appears in Grecos part in Baker 3. So does the spot at 6:06. Dont know if that means it is real but idk
1:18 yup just gloss over john cardiel why dontcha
I saw that, too
People have problems with berra's makeshift spots? A problem? Those tricks are hard
Joshua Burke so I own it Jealousy leads to complaining.
And he knows Tom cruise
Steve berra and koston are some straight up goofballs theres no denying that but lets be honest, who cares about modifying skate spots. Only way there should be a problem with that is if it was some sort of K.O.T.R. style shoot where everyone has to find a weirdly specific spot and one team just makes the spot
The only problem with Berras fake spots is that he tried to make them look like real street, while Daewon, Mullen and Haslam are upfront about setting or fixing a spot. Other than that Berras skating is badass.
You yourself pointed out that the bricks had angle irons and the loading dock dead ended saying “no deliveries”; aren’t those both obvious signs that the scenes were staged or fake?
could be side of loading dock that is for loading truck not unloading? and i have seen bricks with coping not for skating but so the bricks dont chip away.
In my town we have two benches with angle Iron on the edges and I have some friends that will go to ledges that are blown out and put angle iron on them
"...and just wanted to see you skate." There he answered it. There is no need to fake a spot. Set up whatever you gotta setup but no need to try to hide you set it up. I just want to see you skate.
If you watch skate more Berra had a injury and after recovery had a very short deadline so doing these Rails in spots n adding angle iron saved time traveling far to find new spots. I dunno was still good part.
The fact that it's Flip is no surprise to me, I fucking love that team especially in that era. Awesome that you decided to look at total wins!
Bottom left corner, those three heavy books are the Complete Calvin & Hobbes by the one and only Bill Watterson. Maybe I'm not the first one to point it out, but I still find it really cool that this masterpiece is on your shelf!
I think watching you skate would be more funny then the fact Berra modified or created his own spots . Actually pretty creative. And he’s a gnarly skater for his time for sure .
Consider the fact that a lot of pro skaters actually file and get permits to skate some street parts.
If your looking for Steve Berra controversy 3:35 in
I think some skaters are way too critical.. skating is about style and making something out of nothing. It's also about having fun, and some are talented and lucky enough to do that for a living.. who cares what he set up and skated, he still did some awesome lines and tricks. Steve Berra is a legend...
I have a line I have been wanting to film. its a high pop ollie to a kickflip down a downhill ledge then regular bigflip this bank to a kickflip coming off the bottom of the bank(over 3 feet crack gap) I can then ride down the hill the rest of the way popping 3 flips or what have you. Idk if i should throw something else in or what? do I have to have grinds in my video for it to be good? Its going to be very hard to find someone to film this trick so I want my approach to be planned out lol
I think the fake spots are awesome and every single person that skates would love to do what he was doing on those fake spots. I don’t skate anymore I skated in the 90s and early 2000’s and we all would make our own rails and bring them to our local spots to make them better because we didn’t have any skate parks to go to. I think 100% of skaters are guilty of creating fake spots . Great content on your page, just found it this week.
Im curious what board brands sell the most. Maybe a ranking? Maybe if we knew we could make some guesses at what makes them so popular.
yea, just like with Daewon - if you just make it clear that you set some shit up to skate then its all good..... Its the act of trying to conceal it so that someone might not know that you have tampered with the perception that is a tad shady.... its just human nature to feel some sort of way about something sightly disingenuous like that
I honestly see where people are coming from, I also hardly care if it's a real spot, I'd just as soon see the trick in a set like that, as I would in a real spot. I mean yeah it's not as "real" but what do I care? I'd be just as happy watching someone do classic freestyle in their garage as long as they're having fun I don't care where it happens. I don't care if it's set up for a shoot. I want to see people having fun, and doing their thing in a way that makes them happy.
Loving the content man. Big ups! Keep doing what you do. Greets from Cali.
Man, those clips from Sorry bring back memories. That video was so raw. Rowley was a total madman in his prime.
Koston also did a line on those yellow rails in fully flared. I truly don't think it matters if you set up spots or not. If it looks good it looks good.
I had a pet rat named radical when I was a little kid in the 80s. Funny coincidence. Love your vids!
I think it's awesome Berra is showing the creativity to make these spots happen, I bet there's a lot of pros that would want to skate those spots, which is how people probably found out they were fake in the first place. They went there to skate the spot.
Two comments: 1) Jenkem interviewed Berra September 2017 and he addressed this. I think it's fine to build what you skate. 2) Rad Rat, what do you have to say on skating in the Olympics? I'm very interested in hearing your opinion! My opinion is skating is more of an artful style than a competition based 'sport'.
Can you do a video on deceased skate prodigies and the impact on the community?
poeplijer what do you mean by diseased? Literal?
Christian Mun my bad, i mean deceased, not diseased. As in dead. Like for exaample Shane Cross and Dylan Rieder
Jay Adams!
lewis marnell :'(
Harold Hunter
waiting in traffic is demoralizing
He's just a master rigger. bera is more of an inspiration to me now than before. thanks for bringing this to my attention. your vids are super!
I know of a bunch of ledges that have angle iron or metal reinforcement.
I don't know if those brick ledges were skate boxes with screen print but those type of things do exist.
I think he would have a bit more leniency if they were just plywood boxes if they were skater made.
nice analysis :D I don' t really like Steve Berra but I have nothing against building spots and filming skateparts on them. It is also a kind of art, seeing a perfect flat, bringing a perfect box and doing a perfect trick on it. Even if he painted it I see no problem. It is still street. So many places that I am passing every day would be great for such tuning
He has a kid and needs to meet a work deadline, it's genius.
I bet he was really struggling
Well who told him to go bust a nut then
So what this guy is saying is that he has little to no credit as a skater just because he didn't want to waste his time finding a new place to skate. By the way, can this guy really talk if he looks like Napoleon Dynamite during his midlife crisis?
In 411 issue 44, Kris Markovich glues metal coping on a brick ledge but this is still considered street. Berra tried to trick us to think he was on a brick ledge with metal coping so it's looked down upon. I guess the determining factor is honesty. If it's a built spot, and you're not trying to deceive anyone, then it's ok. If you're trying to make it look "street", with the intention of tricking the audience, then it's wrong.
As an outsider who's never skated and don't really know how I came to be watching this video, that sucks man, I'd expect skating to be as raw and honest as possible.
I am not agreeing or disagreeing but my warehouse has loading docks that do not accept deliveries. They are only for outgoing loading. If we didnt mark them as "No Deliveries" then delivery drivers would take up docks we need open, and drivers who showed up to pick up a load would be pissed the scheduled time we set was delayed. Just saying.
Ppl love to hate Berra.
He brings boxes and ppl shit on him. Daewon builds a park with picnic tables, he’s a god. Rowley brings a ramp to frontside flip over LA river, he’s a legend. Berra brings a rail, he’s a kook. Paul Rodriguez and Jamie Thomas are Christians, they’re respected. Berra might be a scientologist and he’s crazy.
SMH
I don't have a twitter so I'll ask here. Why are riser pads looked down upon these days? Back in the late 90s I remember many people having them, and a lot of completes were sold with them. Now you hardly see them and you don't see them in stock much.
I still use them every time I set up a new board, but yeah, young kids mostly don't. I think if you skate on a perfect concrete ground, you don't really need them, but on a rough street asphalt it makes you ride a bit smoother. Also you don't get that many wheel bites
James Garcia I ride the semi soft semi hard thin riser pads. They cut road vibration, keep the hardware from loosening as fast and they give just that little but not too much extra wheel clearance. OCD just won't let me ride without them.
They're sorta rare in the UK. I used them originally to help absorb impact and vibrations. I used to have multiple on each truck so it would also cause a greater lever effect for popping ollies higher. I've been trying to cut down on them so I can get some stylish bs n fs rock n rolls happening.
Great skateboarding is great skateboarding. I appreciate Steve for everything he's done for the sport. Hes created and opportunity for people to come together as a community to skate. Its seems like so many new age skaters are worried about all the wrong things instead of the effort it takes to allow the sport to grow so that our culture as skaters thrive and become better.
I skated before it was cool before people judged each other for being different. While it's fine for everyone to have an opinion we've all made decisions as skaters to be creative in and our of the park by using a board and quad tricks and wheels to make shit happen
I'm not a huge Berra fan but I fully support him doing whatever the hell he wants to do.
Steve always worried about production value in his parts. He was an actor for a long time.
Flip is still the one and only .the whole sorry series is legendary
Has any pointed out that the ledges with the printed brick texture weren't supposed to look like he was grinding ON the brick, but rather that they were one of those cement-bench-on-a-brick-base type things?
I'm not too fond of taking obstacles to spots for the sake of filming, though I wouldn't mind having some for a casual skate session.
But, you know, considering what he said about his kid and all that, I can definitely sympathize with him and see why he might have chose to go the route he did.
All in all, I've always liked Berra, and I don't think those "fake" or altered spots delegitimize him as a skateboarder or person at all.
What do you think about that Chris Cole dc ad? (With the constructed alley type spot) or those all white nike free ads?
I admire that while running the berrics and raising a child alone he filmed a legit video part using whatever he had at his disposal to do so. Nothing wrong with making awesome spots to skate in my opinion. Esp if you are a ledge/rail skater.
As long as the tricks themselves are real I can't see the problem? I've been skating since the 80s and everyone I ever skated with "set up" stuff like this. So did the pro's in videos..
I think this is nitpicking... if placing a box or making a ledge grindable with a rail is fake - then waxing a curb is fake as well... goodbye grinding anything but metal.
Completing a cool natural line with a few set-up's is perfectly alright.
Kinda sad Mr Berra has to lay out his personal life this way to get people to shut up.
I do however agree that the sign part was a bit over the top. A regular wooden box would have been just fine :- )
Tricks are tricks, no matter what they're done on. And every one of us who was skating back then couldn't believe that Berra even got enough footy to have the DVS part.
I'm sorry can you repeat that name again?
It’s not fake it’s just... cheat codes.
glad i stumbled upon this vid i was looking into the video of berra. good stuff
I think it’s bad ass that Berra made obstacles in the streets. You ever try to do that?? It’s fucking ridiculously hard to find spots to even do that, let alone ACTUALLY construct something sick. In my book not only does it “count” but it makes it cooler. It ain’t cheap to build what he built and transporting big ass ledges.. materials, tools, power, generators, gas, etc…. Under the cover of darkness. Fuck yeah Steve. Legendary.
That allstate location is at the corner of Fulton and Riverside Rd in Sherman Oaks... dunno if it was actually ever an allstate or not because in the background you can see blockbuster and rite aid; now only rite aid exists across the street.
I just found your channel and got to say, you and Ben Degros are killin it.
haha actually i think making a spot is a good idea
Eli Aurelio dude yes! I remember I found an old abandoned fridge at a loading dock one time, turned it into a sick mani pad.
Drako_Vox ha that sounds super fun there was this old fridge i came across once in this alleyway and it was super fun to grind but it was only there for like a day then it dissapeared, those things can take a lotta abuse, it had like weird textured sheet metal which was kinda bumpy but slippery. would that be considered a fake spot or like just a temporary spot?
Eli Aurelio haha I’d say an improv spot. Honestly I don’t think there’s such a thing as a fake spot honestly, I think it’s the skating that matters. Shoot, the mega ramp should be considered a fake spot by those standards
Drako_Vox ah yeah that makes more sense that itd be like called an improv spot, haha yeah i think the mega ramp is like an actual spot just the total opposite of improvized, haha i think whatd be a funny improvized spot would be like a folding bench with a dollar store table cloth with brick print then when you film it you see the bricks blowing in the wind
I think it’s cool
I kind of get the criticism about the fake spots, even though it really should be mostly about the tricks. I remember back in the day finding/scouting spots was a huge part of skating for us. We’d ride bikes for hours just to get a look at a rail or ledge or gap and later when we had a car we’d drive hours to other towns and states for a 15 minute session at a spot we’d get kicked out from almost immediately. We’d bribe security guards for one last try and run from the police. That risk and amount of time it takes to find and skate a good spot is a huge part of skateboard culture, and it seems like a cop out to build spots instead. THAT SAID, however, I completely get where Berra is coming from. First, he’s put in his dues grinding out legit spots probably more than most pros, and second, like he said, he’s a grown man with a family and a company to run, and probably can’t afford taking the risks involved in finding and skating 100% real street spots as much as he used to.
there are so many different types of skating. you have the all naturals like curved driveways to make launches over walls then you have fabricated street like street league. when it comes down to it, skateboarding is skateboarding. we can't be too outraged in the end.
let's remember berra comes from a film background and maybe didn't feel like hiding that side of himself
You are obviously a very intellectual person. Couldn't have said it better myself. I would like for you to talk more about your knee injury. I broke my tibia in a half about a year ago and I am just now getting back on the board, what do you think about injuries and aging and longevity in skateboarding? Obviously genetics and diet and other things can come into play . (Eg. Drug abuse and surgeries).
watching this again.. does anyone know if the brick spot with the angle iron is a real ledge and they just put metal on top or they built a box and put like brick wallpaper on the side of a box? cause that is extreme.. but it's essentially a prop in his mind like i mentioned in my last comment.
Kris Markovich showed us how to angle iron brick ledges in the early 2000’s in a 411. They filmed the trip to Home Depot and everything. It was widely acceptable. I think we should appreciate the extra difficulty when it’s there, but not downplay the result when it isn’t presented by the obstacle.
I don't typically comment on videos, or even skate any more except for the occasional ride on my longboard, but fuck this guy. Homie is killing it in those videos. If I was out doing that shit with some friends, and making it look that awesome, nobody would give a fuck where we got our platforms/signs or rails from for the tricks in the videos. Nothing wrong with building onto a spot if it enhances the experience. Shit, big screen Hollywood movies have entire sets built for them. I think it's artistic, inventive, and commendable. I suppose there has to be a video on youtube for everything though...
The main gripe I have is that it seems like he's really trying to pass it off like a natural spot, whereas if he was just building a spot to skate and leaving it there forever than that would be fine if he just acknowledged they were faje
Hernandez explains DIY spots perfectly in his Nine Club Episode.