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- Troy and Joe return from hanging with the Naish in Kansas City and Austin with some exciting news about new Glass Cannon Labs content, a primetime video game stream for Joe, and the return of Troy's Baldur's Gate 3 campaign. This week's episode of the GCP sparks lots of conversation, including how and when Troy decides to use backmatter from a Paizo AP and Joe's conspiracy theories regarding the party's newest member. In Listener Mail, when the rubber hits the road where should you begin your PF2E journey? With the original Core Rulebook? Or with the newly Remastered version?
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Excited to get back into that trunk!
Get on in therre!
Chaosium's self publishing is branded as The Miskatonic Repository.
Yes I was gonna say the same thing 🙌
Please, Joe, for Paula's sake, have Jared re-read the counteract rules for Blood of the Wild! Paula's Dispel Magic should have worked multiple times. You cut the hazard level in half when determining its level for counteracting:
"If an effect is a spell, its level is the counteract level. Otherwise, halve its level and round up to determine its counteract level. If an effect’s level is unclear and it came from a creature, halve and round up the creature’s level."
I am convinced they will never learn this rule, or the proper Rune rules. It's been MONTHS!
Thanks Joe for seeing my comment! With PF 2E being so reliant on action economy, the extra 10ft does matter. Dimensional Assault is two actions for the price of one action. I see why the developers made it half movement speed because with Arcane Cascade stance, Ancestry and General Feats; an Elven Magus can get 50ft of movement speed by level 3. Being able to teleport 50ft and make a free melee attack would be pretty busted.
I understand why playing thesaurus soup for names in the remaster feels silly, but at the same time putting more distance between D&D and what is a clearly different (and better) game is something that excites me personally.
As Joe said though, the Remaster is actually a LOT more than just "thesaurus soup". There's quite a few changes to rules that had NOTHING to do with D&D that were, and are being, changed.
I'm all in with PF2, and I have lost all love for Wizards of the Coast. I'm thrilled with "Force Barrage" and feel no nostalgia, at all, for "Magic Missile."
Magic missle always bugged me.
@@mattwilkes2321 it's a great spell... I ran a campaign where there was a Goliath Rune Knight who had a stupidly high AC. I went the whole campaign without being able to hurt him much. At the end of the campaign, the party were fighting a literal god (trying to finish a ritual to tramp it) and that god was summoning in vampire spawn every round... some of those were sorcerers, and their only spell was Magic Missle. And then i realized how wonderful it is: No attack roll, no saving throw, just take the damage.
I actually took the fighter down and it came to the most epic ending possible for the campaign.
But I'm happy calling it "Force Barrage" from now on! =)
To the question asker: If you're going to play in PFS, you need to use remaster.
You guys rock! Thanks so much for taking my question, I really appreciate all the advice and I’m going to go ahead with the new player core and gm core. Thanks again,
Jeremy (from Ontario haha)
Thank you for your question my man. I was in the same spot. This is why the 'Naish is the best fanbase.
Hey Jeremy! If you're interested in getting some folks together to play a one shot online that's learning oriented, feel free to reach out! Love teaching people how to play the game :)
I just can't wait for the next episode of Vogagers of the Rift. Next season come quickly please.
CLINT!!! AHHHH!! Excited to see Clint. I also just started playing Control and it is really trippy and fun. So glad to have seen y'all in Austin. Really is worth seeing live! Get tickets if you can!
The Austin show was fantastic! (Plus I didn’t know you were another Austinite!)
@@jamesthelimey1738 Yep, I sneak around Austin :)
So glad you loved the KC BBQ! The show was amazing; there was a low level of laughter throughout the whole show, basically. Hope you guys come back, and I'll bring even more people next time!
The Remaster served two purposes, fixing issues and cleaning up terminology to distance from the OGL. The Remaster and legacy resources are fully compatible, so my perspective is that the changes to the rules that fix issues are now "law," but things that were only changed for verbiage purposes are not. If a Magus wants to use Shocking Grasp, I'm fine with that because there is no Remastered Magus yet. Once they update the Magus, it will undoubtedly fix those issues and we can move away from the legacy material... but until the Magus is updated, then the "legacy" Magus in my game needs access to the legacy spells.
That's the perfect way of going about in imo
I'm currently running a PF2 game and will not be switching to Remaster anytime soon. Part of that is 4 out of 5 characters use classes that will be in the Player Core 2 (5th character is a Kineticist from Rage of Elements, so is already Remaster ready), so I need that book to be released before we can update.
But part of it (and really the main reason) I don't want the hassle of the switch over. That period of learning the new version, updating my memory and the players to new ways to do things, the hassle of doing something then remembering it's changed and then needing to address whether we redo or just let it slide etc etc.
Completely agree with the need to change and put some distance between PF and D&D, but living through this change isn't going to be easy. Like Troy, I like things neat.
I moved out of the d20 system entirely after 4E and haven't looked back. I think Troy has mentioned how much he enjoys the skill based game like CoC. Advancement is slow, but the immersion is on another level. Because you stay TOTM instead of tile and maps it flows a lot better. Combat in pf really feels like a separate game is taking place.
Troy wrote a monster for a book's backmatter? What monster!?
It’s called Giant Devil’s Tooth
Was a great time had at KC for my first live show, thank you for coming!
Oh shit, nobody warned you guys about the time dilation in the Midwest? You get used to it, but it always surprises coastal types how slooooow things can go here.
As one of the people who suggested Control, I am so damn pumped for Joe to play through it!
Horus Greyfury here....Thanks again for coming to KC. Can not wait for your next visit. Loved meeting the cast and happy you enjoyed the city without any tornados adding some excitement to the mix. 😂
So glad you made it to the show!
Great time in Austin! I was a bit worried as an introvert, but the VIP group and GCN cast were awesome. Next time, Casino El Camino - dive bar with good burgers - last worthwhile bar on Dirty 6th.
Dang first anything I've caught under a minute of it being out
Joe. Amazing insight on trying to help someone get a foot in the door. You are 100% correct. Start small and build a following. Also, be able to accept criticism which is very difficult for all of us. The GCN deal wtih criticism, yet they push forward. As they did, Never give up. They learn from mistakes and keep putting out amazing content. Thanks guys.
Really loved the question and answer from Jeremy 1 from "I Don't Know Where" about which edition to use, especially since it sounded like a lot of the issue was about the language choices in the new edition, not the mechanics. I feel like this is a CLASSIC new player question. Joe and Troy: great answer directing towards staying up to date and a lot of the realities of trying to stick with an older system! One thing I would add is that if the issue is really just about the names of spells and things of that nature, pretty much all systems that I have played actually encourage players to "reskin" spells and abilities. Basically the idea is that you change the flavor text of the spell, but keep the same mechanics. This is usually a small, and (IMO) often overlooked part of player handbooks and something I see very few players actually opt into. BUT it's one of my personal favorite ways to bring a personal touch to the table and world as a PC.
For example if I was going to create a Spirit Wizard (perhaps a kin of Four Bears or some sort of necromancer) I might take Force Barrage/Magic Missile but call it something like Ghostly Protectors, and describe it as a group of ancestral spirits briefly manifesting to strike the target a number of times. The spell would still do 1d4+1 force damage per strike and automatically hit, but since this already exists as a spell a wizard can take it doesn't imbalance the game. I think that sounds cooler especially within the context of this character. You will probably want to always be in communication with your GM about that sort of thing, and keep the original spell handy to reference so that when you use it you can help everyone else know what is happening. The GM's I have played with have been pretty excited about a player who is invested in their character and putting that kind of work in, and I haven't ever had issues doing this sort of thing personally, BUT as this IS a game with other people, ymmv.
TLDR: Most systems that I have used actually encourage you to call spells by other names to suit your character, which really could just be a cooler name. Pick a system based on mechanics and ease of use and finding a group, and use the language that is going to help your group have the most fun.
PS: Was at the KC Show, and you guys were UNHINGED. Me and my buddies had a great time!
Joe, Baldur's Gate is the name of the City that you spend almost the enirety of Act 3 exploring😁.
Dungeon Craw Classics seems to really embrace outside writers. Any time I see them at a Con, AT LEAST a 3rd of their booth is "zeens" or adventures written by frelancers that they are helping sell/ promote. Not sure who to talk to about it, but they have a discord I'm sure that person could ask on.
Austin show was amazing! Glad y'all enjoyed it. I got to chat w/Skid and Syd - just lovely. My friend was bartending and said they sold $5k of booze that night.
Very glad Troy enjoyed his time here. I think most of the stuff he doesn't like about Austin are the same things I don't particularly like about it, and I've been here 38 years. I go through a lot of nasal spray from the allergens.
The State Theater is a lot nicer now than when I got here in the 80's. I got stories, lol.
Father Richard was hilarious.
Can’t WAIT to see the recording and relive it. I brought my son and his friend, and they were laughing from start to finish (as was I).
Glad you enjoyed it!
It was great to meet you both!
@@TheGlassCannon Likewise!
I'd love for you to keep a 1e premium show going. Do the complete Runelords trilogy which would complete around 2038. Love you Skid ❤
Please keep doing at least a single 1e show, some of us generally dislike 2e, and there are still a lot of great APs you haven't done.
Im sure someone else has probably said it by now, but Paizo released a remaster version of the Beginner Box! If you have the .pdf tied to your Paizo account, then you already probably have it in your digital library! I'm learning the ins and outs of it now, and working my way through GM core too
Joe, CONTROL is amazing. Just be aware there are areas that are inaccessible until an event happens so don't spend 3 HOURS trying to get through an area...
Let's get back in the trunk!
May the 4th is coming up, and....and.... hold....hold.... STAY ON TARGET, STAY ON TARGET
I'm excited for the remaster and I'm here for it. However, I just started Season of Ghosts, and I'm running it fully 2E to completion. With my group it'll take a few years and by then the remaster will be ready.
In before Caneppo piggybacks into the real world on the hedgehog.
The thing about only going with new Player Core is that you lose out on so many classes. In fact for the Gatewalkers party, you wouldn't have Psychic, Monk, Investigator or Magus to choose from.
I sense that the tour Rock n Roll lifestyle is starting to wear at your bodies. Reminds me of the film, Pink Floyd - The Wall, where our rock star protagonist goes on to become a charismatic authoritarian leader. Yeah, I could see Troy in that role…
Control is a great game with an excellent story. And the connections between Control and Alan Wake are super fun and exciting
I think the Remaster confusion will be mostly resolved once Player Core 2 comes out at GenCon. There will still be corner cases, like the Magus and Thaumaturge, but most of the rest of the confusion should be gone at that point.
Magus, Summoner, Thaumaturge, Psychic, Inventor and Gunslinger ... Still a lot of work to be done. However, I like the changes the remaster brought so I'm happy to endure the awkwardness of the interim mélange
Give us a hubert hedge shirt mr lavallee!!
I get it Joe. I don't mind a little comedy in my games. but I *detest* silly. Making jokes is fine. but a goofy NPC, or a Tiny Murder Clown type character just pulls me right out of the enjoyment.
Was at the Austin show, great time and show. I'll get VIP tickets next year if thr crew comes back.
Sydney doing math on stage ha.
Glad you made it to the show!
Good tunes in that movie.
Hedgehog is the real villain.
15:43 JOSEPH O'BRIEN(Is his spelled with an "e" or an "a"? "E" feels right but who knows)!!! I LOVED Tumsy from Androids and Aliens! Though I watched a few different people playing that AP so I'm probably getting a few things mixed up! Troy is a DAMN good GM though so no matter what he actually did I know it was GREAT!!!
I'm listening through Androids and Aliens at the moment, and I met Tumse a few episodes ago. I love Tumse. Tumse may be making an appearance in my upcoming Starfinder games!
Is there an update / news / We are Stupid, for Call of Cthulhu?
2E vs Remaster, it gets distracting when trying to see what books are available and what should I use, what is compatible with what, it is messy atm.
The remaster is just a giant errata, it's still mostly compatible with legacy.
1. If the rule has been updated in the remaster, you use the new rule. Like the rules on recall knowledge and refocus was updated.
2. Use the remastered classes. So PC1 has bard, cleric, druid, fighter, ranger, rogue, witch, and wizard. So if you wanted to play a champion, you'd use the legacy rules for now until PC2 comes out.
3. If the remastered spell has the same name as the legacy spell. Use the remaster version. For example, Light and Divine Lance.
4. Alignment and wizard's legacy spell schools is gone.
This is the first I’m hearing of Joe not liking Tumsy and I’m not sure we can be friends anymore.
First off, Joe is 100% right: Razzmatazz was the best-ever NPC. As for Troy not being able to socialize before/after shows, it sounds a bit like he's approaching burnout. Perhaps he should do himself a favor and set his OCD/control freak nature aside, delegate some responsibilities as any good executive would, and then do the fans a favor by being a player more often than just being a GM. Some of my favorite Troy moments have been when he's a PC but we don't get that much anymore.
I liked Hubert Hedge. Very entertaining.. But the fact he's still with the party is very sus. I'd keep an eye on that little guy. I mean he has weapons built into his body.
Where do you see labs? Is that on twitch?
Yep! twitch.tv/theglasscannon
Hedgehog hater Joe
what monster did Troy create and in what book?
Im so glad to see everyones reaction to Hubert Hedge. The first time I read its description I winced. The character design seems really out of place.
To Jeremy the writer. reach out to Jonathan Maberry, he's a multi awarded author and 5 rimes Bram Stoker award winer. His novels are epic. He is also the current editor of weird tales magazine which was first published in 1923 it where Lovecraft got his start. Jonathan Maberry is the nicest guy in the lit world. He also edits for marvel. He does weekly amas and also does writing and world building classes which he's ridiculous at. He does classes on how to get started in the industry. But he has a soft spot for new authors and helps out many. He edits many franchise anthologies like the X files and Alien and Predator, but also ones like Limbus Inc, he also has short story anthologies bfor Joe Ledger where other authors write short Joe Ledger stories. I also highly recommend his Joe Ledger series, Kagen The Damned series (very Lovecraftian) but I also recommend reaching out to him.
Thanks! I'll do that.
Great Fod, I have to be honest as a Viewer i really like Hubert the Hedgehog but as Player i would probably dislike him aswell.
When you say fan content for nostalgia reasons, you do realise we're talking about WotC? The same WotC who wanted to scrap the OGL and take over any and all 3PP products on a whim?
In terms of writing TTRPG, do it yourself.
Why is Joe allergic to whimsy ?
What Joe said about the hedgehog kinda bugs me. He admitted that it's meta gaming, but ultimately if he suspects a character is shady all he should be doing is rolling a sense motive. If his character can't glean anything from that then just move forward. Fighting it can only hurt the narrative whereas rolling with it would be entertaining.
In the ep I found myself annoyed with the players because aside from Troy's annoying voice, there's no reason for them to hate the hedgehog so much. The characters should be just taking his presence as a boon because it'll help them navigate a plane they're not familiar with.
I can see why the players would be cautious. when dealing with fey, you have to be ultra careful.
SCP is something you should look into aswell since they also protect the world from super natural entities. They have games for them for sure
2E to Remaster is exactly like the old 3.0 to 3.5 back in the early 2k's. And anyone playing 3.0 over 3.5 does so because 3.0 is more abusable than 3.5.
Not really, a good amount of things actually got stronger in the remaster. Even already strong classes such as rogue
Joe...you are reading this.