Outstanding presentation ! Not only am I an amateur archeologist field collecting artifacts and researching here in western Pa with a major interest in focusing on just how when an where people got to my area but this lecture was on my 61st Birthday..! Thank you for sharing your video 🤗
A lot of our Turtle Islanders have stories about going further west. Beringia had little to no food sources, most of the stories say we used our longboats (y'all call them dugout canoes) to travel along the coast and out to sea. We used the sea currents to navigate on the waters. Simon Fraser university and University of Victoria recently were involved on a dig in the Heiltsuk (hey-sook) that proved the Heiltsuk have been living in their territory for at least 15000 years. Last year scientist's/archeologists carbon dated some pictographs to 30000 years in South America.
interesting thought-would be curious to know what this researcher makes of the footprints found in New Mexico from almost 10 thousand years before the period in the talk
If White Sands continues to become more assuredly dated correctly, and the coastal route down from beringia remained likely at that earlier timeframe, perhaps with more refugia open that early, there may be similar trackway evidence buried in some of the playa strata in the Oregon part of the great lakes basin? If tephra layer timing and subsequent deposition of fine muds with each rain or melt event produced blank sheets of mud around the shorelines of many small pond/playas, even if no humans were present, it would be a potential for storylines of trackways similar here, I would think. Cores, and careful thought about stratigraphy that fit the 20 to 30 KA window at these playa sites could be fascinating to check out, especially if sedaDNA becomes a feasible tool to investigate just what megafauna were around, and just possibly humans.
Any pollen info from cores for 20 to 30 KA time period from anywhere near the Warner Catlow lakes? Any permafrost pond/lake core strata that might have had anoxic depositional layers? How far away would any trees have been found that could have supplied spearshaft material? If it does turn out that the White Sands dates are generally good, and continue to become confirmed with other methods, it would seem appropriate to be thinking about potential sparse evidence for that early timeframe of first peoples at Warner lake. Not being open to looking at strata in cores older than 18KA, might need a shift to 25 to 30 KA? And what possible potential for sedaDNA work in cores from some upland playas/pond/lake sediments could there be in the near future?
Meadowcroft Rock shelter is only about an hour drive away from where I live..as of 3-23-2022 dates are 16,000 yrs old plus..it's an interesting enigma...
Hunting in early fall in upland areas with cooler bedding in snowfields would be selecting higher fat content animals, which could have been necessary to counter the leaner protein hunted in spring and summer down by lowland lakes? Probably young nursing mammals taken in spring to gain less lean meat, but having to follow into uplands in later season when game was fatter?
Maybe even well above current shore levels? Are people looking to deep in the water trying to find artifacts difficult to locate , but maybe some raised up on land now?
Importance of fats and carbs being necessary even if paleo diets were sometimes focused on megafauna? The lean protein 'problem' and how first peoples moving inland to the GBL system were leaving marine diets, and more at risk of some deficiencies that had not been such problems on the coast? (Iodine, D3, DHA, salt etc.) Even if larger megafauna were being hunted 15 to 25KA at Warner upland sites, varied diets would probably have been very necessary for their health to avoid some deficiencies.
I think that the Warner Lakes upland adjacent small playas, such as Flook Lake and nearby smaller playas, obviously had long depositional sequences of fine tephra mud deposition with each snowmelt event, providing fresh blank untracked shoreline muds on which tracks of current fauna were made. At what point in time were the first human tracks made in this fine mud record?
Do beetles tend to be high fat food? And, help counter lean meat high protein buildup? Especially in tundra, where there may have been less available carbohydrate? fat megafauna may have been very important to hunt, where lean meat was less desirable.
@@mliittsc63 Cerutti Mastodon site in California. Latest evidence supports mastodon leg bones hammered and anviled by people by bone residue on anvils and hammers. Check it out.
@@mliittsc63 I had also read of evidence in Colorado while the DPW was building a reservoir at an ancient lake site where archaeologists found evidence of a mammoth kill dated at 30,000 years ago. This was a few years back and the site is now underwater I assume but maybe you could still find that with a search.
@@georgecuyler7563 that was from the religious trying anything to make you believe in the jesus myth & at the same time will tell you that the earth is a maximum of 6,000 years old be free, the church no longer kills people for not doing what they tell you to !!
Super interesting, I wish the speaker didn’t smack his lips so often during the talk tho :/ for some reason that bugs me super bad and I can’t finish the video :[ I wish lip smacking wasn’t a thing during speaking
I live in High desert of alamosa Colorado. These people lived on my land. Man hunted the mammoth as a lifestyle, Following, Throwing big heavy spears down on them. That's why the Archaic transition occurred. Because they transitioned from being Eskimos, to Mammoth hunters, To archaic transition to Woodland. This occurred, because, There were no plains, until the full melt. I do believe man domesticated the wolf early, There would be no archeological evidence of this of course, unless it was found tied to a sled in a glacier. But when man came down from the Mountains, it was to the areas that were all anceint (Inland ocean.) Now huge spears became unusable on smaller game. So they created archaic period from their memory's of Eskimos life. But This changed as the Ice receded, opening up areas east and west of the now ancient inland sea. Once this opened up. People moved east. They had moved south to create the missippiian cultures. Now they also push back north and eastward. Creating the plains cultures. Woodland. And now everyone has the right DNA.
Please tell me they at least cooking the whole rats they were eating:) Rats are hard to catch so they must have set some decent traps to catch them. I’m guessing an average snare wouldn’t be sufficient to catch rats and they possibly had a different method, maybe dig a steep deep hole and bait it?..
Academia just drips from every word in this presentation. The entitlement, the attitude of self importance that is interwoven into this talk just screams out. I bet some of you don't even hear it, and that is in itself very telling.
It is clear that the person's manner bothers you but what does that have to do with the content, and why would anyone care about your opinion of his manner? Sounds like you are very self important. Your writing style drips academia: "interwoven"...really? "I bet some of you don't even hear it" is a nice touch, you seem to be a master at ad hominem fallacy and vague insinuation. Congratulations.
He talks about huge climate change and what people did to adapt. So humans are really just a very small contributor to "climate change" and much bigger changes occur without humans .
Outstanding presentation ! Not only am I an amateur archeologist field collecting artifacts and researching here in western Pa with a major interest in focusing on just how when an where people got to my area but this lecture was on my 61st Birthday..! Thank you for sharing your video 🤗
A lot of our Turtle Islanders have stories about going further west. Beringia had little to no food sources, most of the stories say we used our longboats (y'all call them dugout canoes) to travel along the coast and out to sea. We used the sea currents to navigate on the waters.
Simon Fraser university and University of Victoria recently were involved on a dig in the Heiltsuk (hey-sook) that proved the Heiltsuk have been living in their territory for at least 15000 years. Last year scientist's/archeologists carbon dated some pictographs to 30000 years in South America.
Very interesting. Excellent!
In the Yukon, caribou moving higher to escape insects by finding remnant season ice and snowfields to bed in, same in Warner uplands?
interesting thought-would be curious to know what this researcher makes of the footprints found in New Mexico from almost 10 thousand years before the period in the talk
Could they have ridden dinosaurs from alaska to new mexico it is long trip
If White Sands continues to become more assuredly dated correctly, and the coastal route down from beringia remained likely at that earlier timeframe, perhaps with more refugia open that early, there may be similar trackway evidence buried in some of the playa strata in the Oregon part of the great lakes basin? If tephra layer timing and subsequent deposition of fine muds with each rain or melt event produced blank sheets of mud around the shorelines of many small pond/playas, even if no humans were present, it would be a potential for storylines of trackways similar here, I would think. Cores, and careful thought about stratigraphy that fit the 20 to 30 KA window at these playa sites could be fascinating to check out, especially if sedaDNA becomes a feasible tool to investigate just what megafauna were around, and just possibly humans.
Good Show.
how to you decide where to start digging and how deep to dig?
Any pollen info from cores for 20 to 30 KA time period from anywhere near the Warner Catlow lakes? Any permafrost pond/lake core strata that might have had anoxic depositional layers? How far away would any trees have been found that could have supplied spearshaft material? If it does turn out that the White Sands dates are generally good, and continue to become confirmed with other methods, it would seem appropriate to be thinking about potential sparse evidence for that early timeframe of first peoples at Warner lake. Not being open to looking at strata in cores older than 18KA, might need a shift to 25 to 30 KA? And what possible potential for sedaDNA work in cores from some upland playas/pond/lake sediments could there be in the near future?
Thanks. Great insights.
Meadowcroft Rock shelter is only about an hour drive away from where I live..as of 3-23-2022 dates are 16,000 yrs old plus..it's an interesting enigma...
Hunting in early fall in upland areas with cooler bedding in snowfields would be selecting higher fat content animals, which could have been necessary to counter the leaner protein hunted in spring and summer down by lowland lakes? Probably young nursing mammals taken in spring to gain less lean meat, but having to follow into uplands in later season when game was fatter?
Isostatic rebound perhaps brought some marine areas of refugia up to current above sea level?
Maybe even well above current shore levels? Are people looking to deep in the water trying to find artifacts difficult to locate , but maybe some raised up on land now?
At least on the Washington coastal areas, and perhaps as far south as Oregon?
Importance of fats and carbs being necessary even if paleo diets were sometimes focused on megafauna? The lean protein 'problem' and how first peoples moving inland to the GBL system were leaving marine diets, and more at risk of some deficiencies that had not been such problems on the coast? (Iodine, D3, DHA, salt etc.) Even if larger megafauna were being hunted 15 to 25KA at Warner upland sites, varied diets would probably have been very necessary for their health to avoid some deficiencies.
I think that the Warner Lakes upland adjacent small playas, such as Flook Lake and nearby smaller playas, obviously had long depositional sequences of fine tephra mud deposition with each snowmelt event, providing fresh blank untracked shoreline muds on which tracks of current fauna were made. At what point in time were the first human tracks made in this fine mud record?
Do beetles tend to be high fat food? And, help counter lean meat high protein buildup? Especially in tundra, where there may have been less available carbohydrate? fat megafauna may have been very important to hunt, where lean meat was less desirable.
And it seems New Mexico was populated at least 23,000 years ago and California possibly 130,000 years ago.
"...California possibly 130,000 years ago." Source?
@@mliittsc63 Cerutti Mastodon site in California. Latest evidence supports mastodon leg bones hammered and anviled by people by bone residue on anvils and hammers. Check it out.
@@mliittsc63 I had also read of evidence in Colorado while the DPW was building a reservoir at an ancient lake site where archaeologists found evidence of a mammoth kill dated at 30,000 years ago. This was a few years back and the site is now underwater I assume but maybe you could still find that with a search.
Human footprints 22 thousand years old exist in New Mexico. This wouldn't be possible unless humans had entered north America prior to this time
Also in Alberta Canada, they found a human footprint inside a dinosaur footprint. They specifically said human footprint.
@@georgecuyler7563 that was from the religious trying anything to make you believe in the jesus myth & at the same time will tell you that the earth is a maximum of 6,000 years old
be free, the church no longer kills people for not doing what they tell you to !!
Super interesting, I wish the speaker didn’t smack his lips so often during the talk tho :/ for some reason that bugs me super bad and I can’t finish the video :[ I wish lip smacking wasn’t a thing during speaking
I live in High desert of alamosa Colorado. These people lived on my land. Man hunted the mammoth as a lifestyle, Following, Throwing big heavy spears down on them. That's why the Archaic transition occurred. Because they transitioned from being Eskimos, to Mammoth hunters, To archaic transition to Woodland. This occurred, because, There were no plains, until the full melt.
I do believe man domesticated the wolf early, There would be no archeological evidence of this of course, unless it was found tied to a sled in a glacier.
But when man came down from the Mountains, it was to the areas that were all anceint (Inland ocean.) Now huge spears became unusable on smaller game.
So they created archaic period from their memory's of Eskimos life. But This changed as the Ice receded, opening up areas east and west of the now ancient inland sea.
Once this opened up. People moved east. They had moved south to create the missippiian cultures. Now they also push back north and eastward. Creating the plains cultures. Woodland. And now everyone has the right DNA.
Wonderful nuggets of information. 😂
Please tell me they at least cooking the whole rats they were eating:) Rats are hard to catch so they must have set some decent traps to catch them. I’m guessing an average snare wouldn’t be sufficient to catch rats and they possibly had a different method, maybe dig a steep deep hole and bait it?..
Humans on the Earth are much more complex in origin and history
Dr. Bong Long
very insightful comment lol
Dr Blong
He was most fun at Noel
I don’t see why ice is such a barrier. Our ancestors were much tougher and smarter than the modern Homo sapiens domestico fragilis we’ve become.
Academia just drips from every word in this presentation. The entitlement, the attitude of self importance that is interwoven into this talk just screams out. I bet some of you don't even hear it, and that is in itself very telling.
It is clear that the person's manner bothers you but what does that have to do with the content, and why would anyone care about your opinion of his manner? Sounds like you are very self important. Your writing style drips academia: "interwoven"...really? "I bet some of you don't even hear it" is a nice touch, you seem to be a master at ad hominem fallacy and vague insinuation. Congratulations.
@@mliittsc63 touche..lol..
He talks about huge climate change and what people did to adapt. So humans are really just a very small contributor to "climate change" and much bigger changes occur without humans .
Yes, it is really difficult to get a realistic sense of scale of immense time expanse involved.
It's a question of whether or not we can adapt to the changes we make, ourselves, and keep our civilization intact.