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That’s impossible, this isn’t a superhero movie, no one in these games has a heroic death. Everyone dies a violent and painful death. Why would Joel’s be any different? I love Joel but he wasn’t a saint, he hurt a lot of people and he was no hero. That said it hurt to watch him pass but that’s the story, his actions had consequences. Even if he tried to became a better man the past comes for you. Movies like History of Violence, Road to Perdition, I Saw the Devil, Oldboy, Man on Fire show the same thing; there are prices to revenge and redemption and this game is no different
@@pgxgamer its not about an heroic death its about the story and how it is written and how they choose to tell the story there are more themes for a game then revenge.
These flashbacks were beautiful, so beautiful that they made me forget about all the depressing parts of the story. I can't believe Tommy left just like that.
Tommy want to revenge his brother. He's a grown man but still go for revenge. Ellie was young so i can believe she felt for revenge. Einstein said "Weak people revenge", sorry for Tommy but he need to step up.
Wish the game was structured like this instead of flashbacks. Would’ve been so cool if instead of seasons the game was divided into years. We see Ellie going from loving Joel to hating him to forgiving him before he sacrifices himself for her in the end.
Flashbacks are dispatched everywhere in the game, to make you think between each of them. Before Ellie's revenge journey begin, back when Joel was alive, Ellie wasn't able to forgive Joel yet. Because she couldn't fully understand why he did with the fireflies stuff 13:30 . To be able to forgive, you need to understand first. In her Revenge journey, she kill again and again for Joel, she tried to make justice for him, because she loved him. Joel killed all the fireflies because he loved her. They both tuned crazy for love. Now she can understand, now she can forgive Joel.
nah, if the whole game was like this it would've been boring and repetitive, i'm glad that we got like 2 hours of gameplay with these two, definitely the best of the game but if the whole game was structured like that it wouldn't have been as great
@@timje2223 absolutly that way we see the death and as we go further in the game we see how heartbreaking it gets that's brilliant they killed it I hate how people hate the game
@@ab-edit5486 i feel sorry for people who only played until joel's death than speed-runned without paying attention to anything and only thinking about killing Abby, and then got mad because of how it ended, and then reviewed it as a "mess" and "garbage". Dude, it's your own loss
@@SirRodney974 NOOOOOOONNNNN ARRETE ToT (j'ai vu que le jeu était en français du coup j'imagine que tu es français.e ? Sorry if I'm wrong about that xD)
Oui je suis français ! Et j'ai su apprécié tout le jeu moi ! 😊 La palette d'émotion très négative, ne m'a pas déranger, du moment que je reçois des émotions forte d'un jeu, c'est nice. Surtout venant d'un gros studio, j'admire qu'il prenne des risques, c'est bien rare en générale.
@@SirRodney974 Bah justement j'ai trouvé qu'ils ne prenaient vraiment pas le temps de s'appesantir sur les morts, que ce soit Jesse, ou Manny, ou Mel, ou même Yara, c'est finit et passé avant même qu'on comprenne ce qu'il vient de se passer et on en parle plus jamais.... Et puis je trouve qu'ils ont trop détruit Ellie :( Elle n' a rien appris à la fin, elle a juste tout perdu, même la capacité de pouvoir jouer la chanson de Joel... Qu'une histoire n'ai pas une fin parfaitement heureuse pour tout le monde, je le conçois tout à fait, surtout dans un monde comme celui-là, mais là il n'y avait aucun espoir à la fin, juste une ado de 19 ans brisée qui n'a plus rien... Mais après si le jeu t'as plu tant mieux ! :)
@Callysto Moi j'ai aimer les mort vif et brutals car ils ont mis tout le monde sur un pied d'égalité. Les pnj de base au même niveau que les perso important, ça montre que c'est l'univers du jeu qui est le maitre, et non pas certains personnages important, les même rêgle pour tout le monde. Encore une fois ça change des autres jeux, et j'ai appréciés qu'il assume cette vision. Quand tu lis des notes, tu lis beaucoup d'histoires qui se finisse très mal pour les gens et bah c'est pareil pour les perso plus important. Ellie est jeune, elle a fait l'erreur de tomber dans la vengeance, elle met très longtemps à ce rendre compte des répercussion désastreuse que ça provoque. A la fin elle a compris je pense, donc c'est un gros point positif qui va la faire grandir. De plus quand Joel était vivant, elle disait qu'elle savait pas comment faire pour lui pardonner. Je crois qu'à la fin du jeu, elle a compris à quel point on peut aller loin pour quelqu'un qu'on aime.Je pense que grâce à ça elle comprendra pourquoi Joel à fait ce qu'il a fait à la fin de TLOU1. Quand elle pose la guitar, elle tourne enfin la page. Moi je vois de l'espoir. En plus Dina et le bb devrait être à Jackson, si Ellie retourne labas c'est nikel. Je pense que le jeu fait confiance à l'intelligence des joueurs, pour lié le tout dans notre esprit. Par exemple le fait de dispersé les flashback c'est pour nous faire cogiter, dans les cinématiques les réponses ne sont pas dites clairement , mais c'est a nous joueurs de faire les connections avec les indices que nous donne le jeu. Procédé comme ça permet que le joueur soit plus intimement liés avec le jeu, car la vision grandit en nous comme une graine.
I finished the game 3 or 4 months ago and im having hardest days and most depressing days of my life and every minute im thinking about Joel❤️ and Ellie❤️
The Last Of Us Part II is my favorite game. Spoiler Warning: I don’t bother the fact that Joel dies( I cried a lot, he is definitely one of the best characters ever made in any game ). The first half of the game is perfect for me, I loved it and the second half is good as well . I get why the developers made us play as Abby and I feel it is necessary in this game. I wish people could see that way. At least Ellie is my favorite ficcional character of any game ever made and I’m happy that in the first half and the final part we play as Ellie. I like Abby and her part was actually nice . I liked the final it’s sad but at least Ellie decides to throw away her obsession and that isn’t killing her from inside anymore. I give this game a 10 out of 10.
Mid game starting with playing with Abby, first impression you don't want to play her, hours passed, and she was badass in many ways, her gameplay abilities/guns was strong, she beat Ellie in the theater without any weapons. And you learn she is a good person overall. Abby is still young, her & Ellie learned revenge is not a solution the hard way. Showing the 2 sides, 2 points of views, it's an interesting perspective. You learn the fact to fully understand a situation you absolutly need multiples points of views before judging correctly. That something we should use in our lives. I'm not sure more Joel/Ellie scenes was necessary: Ellie was doubting Joel's fireflies stuff since the end of TLOU1, we got an awesome Dinosaur sequence with a very strong father/daugther relationship, 2 years after we got a second lie 2:02, we got the truth reveal 5:40, 2 years after she still pissed to joel 8:22, and Joel said he don't regret what he had done 11:32. She was too young to fully understand or to be able to forgive him at this time 12:33. At the very end of the game, i think she understand now how crazy things you can do for someone you love. She will be able to forgive Joel. And move on. 26:29
Sir Rodney Production I agree with you. When I started playing as Abby it was really hard for me but I accepted that and I liked playing as her but I’m not going to lie Ellie was my favorite and I wish we could have played more as her, Abby is really important and she is an amazing character. In general both parts are good. About the scenes between Ellie and Joel I feel like they are really emotional and they are enough to explain the relationship between Ellie and Joel. The game is perfect for me.
@mikey Yes, i was sad for Joel when i first saw this 8:34 . She's just a 19yrs old, so i guess it happens sometime to be mad at our parents when we are young :(( and maybe she was a little drunk. Joel was a bit over protective on her, but he loves her so much ...
When I started playing as Abby I was really mad but soon later after a few hrs with her.. I'm still mad that I played her lmao.. Like for me I don't give a fuck about Abby even if her father died. I know you gotta learn her side of the story which I DID. She's just doing that to avenge her father, BUT STILL.. i dont give a fuck about her. Naughty Dog could've made a better TLOU2 game that EVERYONE could have enjoyed.
Having multiple points of views before judging a situation, are a step up, an effort, we have to make, to see things correctly. Naughty Dog took the risk to talk about a revenge over used topic. But with a huge perspective point, a "A to Z" process of thinking, and finally ending with the giving up on revenge. That's a lesson our real world need to think about. Maybe our world will be with less Hatred If people understood that. That's bold from a AAA studio, i respect that. Most of the other AAA studio don't take any risk, and delivers the same sequel, less interesting over and over (because it's deja-vu). I don't want that.
Im very conflicted with this game. For one, I think the story that was told was very unique and if it were a story with different characters that i didn't already know, it would have been a great game. But even with the amazing graphics/animations/details and gameplay, I still have major gripes with how they treat the main characters from the last game. The main point of Joel dying is to just fuel the hatred Ellie needs to kill Abbie. I honestly have no problem with that(even though the scenario seemed very forced). But with Ellie not killing Abby and then just seeing Ellie lose everything that is dear to her is proof that the point of this game is to show that a path of revenge will only lead to loss and is wrong. This is proven mainly through Tommy and Ellie. He lost his wife, his ability to walk correctly, and to see with his right eye. With Ellie, she lost all her loved ones, her ability to play guitar and basically all her reasons to live. It's truly depressing and almost unreal to me that they would treat two of the most amazing characters ever written like that and that Ellie and Joel were torn apart to prove the point that "revenge is bad." Honestly hoping that someone can justify it for me so I can find solace in this game, but at the moment I just feel terrible that I waited 7 years for a continuation of Ellie and Joel's story just to find that Druckmann would ruin their lives to prove a point.
@Cody Mercer I can tell you my vision about the end and the plot point but the best way was to find it by yourself using the game hints. You need to think to find it. ▼▼▼ I read a comment below my videos from someone who clearly and simply resume the meaning of this game. "It’s a beautiful story of forgiveness and acceptance disguised as hate and vengeance." I think it's pretty accurate. At the end Ellie didn't lost everything, she learn revenge is bad and to achieve that you need to accept and forgive. That's a very mature way to think, that's precious. She can forgive Joel as well, because she knows by now all the crazy stuff you can do for someone you love.That's exactly what Joel did with the fireflies stuff, he did it because he loved her so much. I'm sure Dina just go back to Jackson with the baby, Jesse's parents are here to help them. If Ellie go back here it will be fine. Revenge and anger is over now, she left joel's guitar because she's finally ready to move on in her life. Much positivity, much hope in this ending.
@@SirRodney974 Damn that's a good take. Very positive and makes me feel better about the ending. Still don't think Joel's death is justified but I was mainly upset for Ellie. It's probably because I as a person don't forgive Abby. Just like Joel needed to have consequences for the firefly base, Abby needs consequences from Elllie for Joel or else it feels empty. Good that Ellie learned Druckmanns woke lesson... but is that lesson really worth Joels death? I think it opens up a conversation for what people's idea of justice is. I also feel that Ellie lost way more than she gained. The only change from the ending of the first game to the ending of the second game is that now Ellie has just lost her friends and basically her dad. She also lost her ability to connect with Joel through her guitar and that devastates me. I love the themes of forgiveness and the parallels between Ellie, Abby, and Joel but I hate that they had to use Ellie and Joel's pain to push that through. Would have been a great standalone game with different characters. I also feel that Druckmann knew that doing this to Ellie and Joel would piss people off. He went and pushed through that his ideas about revenge are more important than doing a game that continues another journey of Ellie and Joel(like they showed in the trailers). And with this, its incredibly hard to look at the game positively so good on you for looking for the light in this game. Will replay the game with what you said in the back of my mind and see if I get a different outlook on it.
For Joel's death you have to remind yourself the end of TLOU1. The surgeon Joel killed was 1) Abby's father 2) the surgeon was the only one capable to do a VACCINE, maybe humanity will slowly die because of that. That's a BIG justication. And Ellie was already doubting what Joel's said back then. The extreme violence, pain, point of view with Abby were necessary to make people understand revenge is a bad things in all circumstances and the consequences are always bad. This is the step 1. That lesson was worth, this is the step 2, because when you 100% understand this 2 notions (Acceptance and forgiveness), bad feelings like HATE and VENGEANCE can't grow in you no more because are a step ahead in your thinking process. This 2 notions are really hard to fully achieve, that wisdom, that stuff you learn when you are a very old person (good and smart). This game try to teach us this, in 30hours.They don't tell us directly in a cinematic, they give us the tools to be able achieve this statement. That's the best way to teach, make the students find the result by themselves. This step 2 stuff is real, because Abby would killed Ellie in the theater or Ellie would killed abby on the beach without this step 2. Ellie and Abby lost a lot during their journey. But they are alive, they can move on, build their new life. While there's life, there's hope. The futur is bright for her, at the end in the house, Ellie looks little bit sad, but for me she's giving her final good bye to Joel in her head and she move on. The guitars were a direct connection with her love for Joel but she was using that in a bad way to push further her revenge, fueling her anger. Ultimately she still love Joel and she don't need a guitar for that.
I would Love to know what Happend to Dina where did sie went. Is sehr Back in Jackson or Not. And Ellie too. Is sehr Back in Jackson, is sehr staying in this House or is sehr searching Abby to get her the Option to get the cure against this "Zombies"
I think killing Joel at the start is a genius move from the devs. At least now, every time Ellie misses Joel, we feel the same pain as she does because we love Joel, specially when you've played the Last of Us 1 which made us gamers like Joel the most. It did affect me specially on the part where I also want revenge on the killers. I also have that uncomfortable feeling when I get to use **** at the middle part of the game. I still think that having an option to select on whether you **** or not at the ending part should be included. I think having an ability for gamers a freedom to choose on the ending they want would have been better.
The game having you choose would ruin the story, imo. this isn’t ours story to control it’s ours to watch. Same with the first game having a choice changes the story they want to tell and I think it’s better this way.
@@pgxgamer Im agreed with you Christian. Ellie not killing Abby means a lot, this is a step up in her way of thinking. The players should think a little bit more about that. And apply this way of thinking into our world and in our daily lives. If Ellie kills Abby the meaning of the game will be flat and stuck in the revenge state.
@@SirRodney974 Yeah, the story changes meaning as soon as choice is brought into the mix, its theme of the circle of violence and hopefully to breaking it is what this game is about.Changeing it would ruin that message. Cause I see,if their was choice, Ellie killing Abby not only would the cycle continue, most likly Lev would end upkilling Ellie continuing the circle further. That or Ellie would have to kill Lev, at that point who would be the worse person, does she become the monster Joel once was, the thing he wouldn't what her to become. I don't see this game necessarily as Revenge is bad. I see it as Revenge having a price. Both Ellie and Abby have more then justifiable reasons for revenge. How far will you go to pay that price? Thats the question, at what point along this road do you become the thing you want to kill.
@Christian Nunez I found a good quote from Einstein saying "Weak people revenge, Strong people forgive, Intelligent people ignore" , you can relate that with the meaning of this game. Ellie is growing from that lesson. Somebody in the comments resumed the game perfectly, he said " A beautiful story of forgiveness and acceptance disguised as hate and revenge". That's a wisdom life lesson we got in this 30hours game, a life process thinking compacted in 30hours. I'm glad some people understood that while playing and finishing the game.
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Storyline order so the flashback was move to the right places.(Museum in another video)
Moments I liked very much : 4:58 | 11:32 | 23:50
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Honestly every scene with Ellie and Joel make me tear up
Yeah. And the fact that he's dead makes it even more sensitive
I just wanted Joel to go out like Logan did.
that would have been awesome ,sadly we couldn't even get revenge
That’s impossible, this isn’t a superhero movie, no one in these games has a heroic death. Everyone dies a violent and painful death. Why would Joel’s be any different? I love Joel but he wasn’t a saint, he hurt a lot of people and he was no hero. That said it hurt to watch him pass but that’s the story, his actions had consequences. Even if he tried to became a better man the past comes for you. Movies like History of Violence, Road to Perdition, I Saw the Devil, Oldboy, Man on Fire show the same thing; there are prices to revenge and redemption and this game is no different
@@pgxgamer its not about an heroic death its about the story and how it is written and how they choose to tell the story there are more themes for a game then revenge.
Christian Nunez Well said
@@SomethingToAim4
I mean, Tommy and Ellie killed everyone Abby cared about (aside from Lev) like if that's not enough of a revenge then idk what is
28:47 He's sitting on his porch, picking away at his six string.
yeah.... like he did before it all started..
These flashbacks were beautiful, so beautiful that they made me forget about all the depressing parts of the story. I can't believe Tommy left just like that.
Tommy want to revenge his brother. He's a grown man but still go for revenge.
Ellie was young so i can believe she felt for revenge.
Einstein said "Weak people revenge", sorry for Tommy but he need to step up.
God. Best scenes. thank you. I've been looking for something like this.
Wish the game was structured like this instead of flashbacks. Would’ve been so cool if instead of seasons the game was divided into years. We see Ellie going from loving Joel to hating him to forgiving him before he sacrifices himself for her in the end.
Flashbacks are dispatched everywhere in the game, to make you think between each of them.
Before Ellie's revenge journey begin, back when Joel was alive, Ellie wasn't able to forgive Joel yet. Because she couldn't fully understand why he did with the fireflies stuff 13:30 .
To be able to forgive, you need to understand first.
In her Revenge journey, she kill again and again for Joel, she tried to make justice for him, because she loved him.
Joel killed all the fireflies because he loved her. They both tuned crazy for love.
Now she can understand, now she can forgive Joel.
nah, if the whole game was like this it would've been boring and repetitive, i'm glad that we got like 2 hours of gameplay with these two, definitely the best of the game but if the whole game was structured like that it wouldn't have been as great
@@timje2223 absolutly that way we see the death and as we go further in the game we see how heartbreaking it gets that's brilliant they killed it I hate how people hate the game
THIS WOULD BE SO GOOD
@@ab-edit5486 i feel sorry for people who only played until joel's death than speed-runned without paying attention to anything and only thinking about killing Abby, and then got mad because of how it ended, and then reviewed it as a "mess" and "garbage". Dude, it's your own loss
"Now what" Ellie never see Joel again
tears in my eye before the 1:30
THIS GAME IS A GAME BUT THIS VIDEO GAME IS A GAME WITH GRAPHICS THAT LOVE THE STORY AND ITS SAD I LOVE JOEL ELIIE
i want joel's coffee mug! please?
🦉 💚
I'm so glad the game ends at 13:32 and nothing else happens.
So glad.
*quietly sobbing in a corner*
16:26 It's time for REVENGE !
@@SirRodney974 NOOOOOOONNNNN ARRETE ToT (j'ai vu que le jeu était en français du coup j'imagine que tu es français.e ? Sorry if I'm wrong about that xD)
Oui je suis français ! Et j'ai su apprécié tout le jeu moi ! 😊 La palette d'émotion très négative, ne m'a pas déranger, du moment que je reçois des émotions forte d'un jeu, c'est nice. Surtout venant d'un gros studio, j'admire qu'il prenne des risques, c'est bien rare en générale.
@@SirRodney974 Bah justement j'ai trouvé qu'ils ne prenaient vraiment pas le temps de s'appesantir sur les morts, que ce soit Jesse, ou Manny, ou Mel, ou même Yara, c'est finit et passé avant même qu'on comprenne ce qu'il vient de se passer et on en parle plus jamais.... Et puis je trouve qu'ils ont trop détruit Ellie :( Elle n' a rien appris à la fin, elle a juste tout perdu, même la capacité de pouvoir jouer la chanson de Joel... Qu'une histoire n'ai pas une fin parfaitement heureuse pour tout le monde, je le conçois tout à fait, surtout dans un monde comme celui-là, mais là il n'y avait aucun espoir à la fin, juste une ado de 19 ans brisée qui n'a plus rien... Mais après si le jeu t'as plu tant mieux ! :)
@Callysto Moi j'ai aimer les mort vif et brutals car ils ont mis tout le monde sur un pied d'égalité. Les pnj de base au même niveau que les perso important, ça montre que c'est l'univers du jeu qui est le maitre, et non pas certains personnages important, les même rêgle pour tout le monde. Encore une fois ça change des autres jeux, et j'ai appréciés qu'il assume cette vision. Quand tu lis des notes, tu lis beaucoup d'histoires qui se finisse très mal pour les gens et bah c'est pareil pour les perso plus important.
Ellie est jeune, elle a fait l'erreur de tomber dans la vengeance, elle met très longtemps à ce rendre compte des répercussion désastreuse que ça provoque. A la fin elle a compris je pense, donc c'est un gros point positif qui va la faire grandir. De plus quand Joel était vivant, elle disait qu'elle savait pas comment faire pour lui pardonner. Je crois qu'à la fin du jeu, elle a compris à quel point on peut aller loin pour quelqu'un qu'on aime.Je pense que grâce à ça elle comprendra pourquoi Joel à fait ce qu'il a fait à la fin de TLOU1. Quand elle pose la guitar, elle tourne enfin la page. Moi je vois de l'espoir. En plus Dina et le bb devrait être à Jackson, si Ellie retourne labas c'est nikel.
Je pense que le jeu fait confiance à l'intelligence des joueurs, pour lié le tout dans notre esprit. Par exemple le fait de dispersé les flashback c'est pour nous faire cogiter, dans les cinématiques les réponses ne sont pas dites clairement , mais c'est a nous joueurs de faire les connections avec les indices que nous donne le jeu. Procédé comme ça permet que le joueur soit plus intimement liés avec le jeu, car la vision grandit en nous comme une graine.
Every time im thinking of the last of us i start to cry
I honestly feel so bad for Dina. She did so much for Ellie out of love but its like it was never enough. (No hate to Ellie shes my favorite character)
I finished the game 3 or 4 months ago and im having hardest days and most depressing days of my life and every minute im thinking about Joel❤️ and Ellie❤️
Ellie is going to the fireflies at the end like nothing else would make sense??
The Last Of Us Part II is my favorite game.
Spoiler Warning: I don’t bother the fact that Joel dies( I cried a lot, he is definitely one of the best characters ever made in any game ). The first half of the game is perfect for me, I loved it and the second half is good as well . I get why the developers made us play as Abby and I feel it is necessary in this game. I wish people could see that way. At least Ellie is my favorite ficcional character of any game ever made and I’m happy that in the first half and the final part we play as Ellie. I like Abby and her part was actually nice . I liked the final it’s sad but at least Ellie decides to throw away her obsession and that isn’t killing her from inside anymore. I give this game a 10 out of 10.
Mid game starting with playing with Abby, first impression you don't want to play her, hours passed, and she was badass in many ways, her gameplay abilities/guns was strong, she beat Ellie in the theater without any weapons. And you learn she is a good person overall.
Abby is still young, her & Ellie learned revenge is not a solution the hard way.
Showing the 2 sides, 2 points of views, it's an interesting perspective. You learn the fact to fully understand a situation you absolutly need multiples points of views before judging correctly. That something we should use in our lives.
I'm not sure more Joel/Ellie scenes was necessary:
Ellie was doubting Joel's fireflies stuff since the end of TLOU1, we got an awesome Dinosaur sequence with a very strong father/daugther relationship, 2 years after we got a second lie 2:02, we got the truth reveal 5:40,
2 years after she still pissed to joel 8:22, and Joel said he don't regret what he had done 11:32. She was too young to fully understand or to be able to forgive him at this time 12:33.
At the very end of the game, i think she understand now how crazy things you can do for someone you love. She will be able to forgive Joel. And move on. 26:29
I love this game so much honestly,it’s literally perfect
Sir Rodney Production I agree with you. When I started playing as Abby it was really hard for me but I accepted that and I liked playing as her but I’m not going to lie Ellie was my favorite and I wish we could have played more as her, Abby is really important and she is an amazing character. In general both parts are good. About the scenes between Ellie and Joel I feel like they are really emotional and they are enough to explain the relationship between Ellie and Joel. The game is perfect for me.
Daniel Mulhern yeah this game is awesome, I’m glad I got a chance to play it.
@@tst45 When we love something, we never have enough of it, i feel you. Glad you enjoyed the game.
i crieeeeedddd
God i love this game, genuinly.. It was perfect to me
Is it okay to love these parts of the game and hate the rest of it?
You’re not the only one here. There were memorable moments and then not so memorable parts I hated.
Its not okay to hate.
@@SirRodney974 lier
Not all of the rest but in most cases yeah
Yes everything that happens up until he helps Abbey is fine.
This game just completely breaks me apart in 12 minutes of cutscenes, jesus
So sad that Ellie was mad at Joel the days leading up to his death. If she knew that he was going to die, she would’ve been more grateful for Joel
@mikey Yes, i was sad for Joel when i first saw this 8:34 . She's just a 19yrs old, so i guess it happens sometime to be mad at our parents when we are young :(( and maybe she was a little drunk. Joel was a bit over protective on her, but he loves her so much ...
Well that's life. You never know when will someone die. So always be kind and grateful to everyone.
@@vinnzcantos3183 This is not easy every day but you are speaking the truth Vinnz 💙
Everyone dies eventually sadly
When I started playing as Abby I was really mad but soon later after a few hrs with her..
I'm still mad that I played her lmao.. Like for me I don't give a fuck about Abby even if her father died. I know you gotta learn her side of the story which I DID. She's just doing that to avenge her father, BUT STILL.. i dont give a fuck about her. Naughty Dog could've made a better TLOU2 game that EVERYONE could have enjoyed.
Having multiple points of views before judging a situation, are a step up, an effort, we have to make, to see things correctly.
Naughty Dog took the risk to talk about a revenge over used topic. But with a huge perspective point, a "A to Z" process of thinking, and finally ending with the giving up on revenge.
That's a lesson our real world need to think about. Maybe our world will be with less Hatred If people understood that.
That's bold from a AAA studio, i respect that. Most of the other AAA studio don't take any risk, and delivers the same sequel, less interesting over and over (because it's deja-vu). I don't want that.
Im very conflicted with this game. For one, I think the story that was told was very unique and if it were a story with different characters that i didn't already know, it would have been a great game. But even with the amazing graphics/animations/details and gameplay, I still have major gripes with how they treat the main characters from the last game. The main point of Joel dying is to just fuel the hatred Ellie needs to kill Abbie. I honestly have no problem with that(even though the scenario seemed very forced). But with Ellie not killing Abby and then just seeing Ellie lose everything that is dear to her is proof that the point of this game is to show that a path of revenge will only lead to loss and is wrong. This is proven mainly through Tommy and Ellie. He lost his wife, his ability to walk correctly, and to see with his right eye. With Ellie, she lost all her loved ones, her ability to play guitar and basically all her reasons to live. It's truly depressing and almost unreal to me that they would treat two of the most amazing characters ever written like that and that Ellie and Joel were torn apart to prove the point that "revenge is bad." Honestly hoping that someone can justify it for me so I can find solace in this game, but at the moment I just feel terrible that I waited 7 years for a continuation of Ellie and Joel's story just to find that Druckmann would ruin their lives to prove a point.
Exactly well said
@Cody Mercer I can tell you my vision about the end and the plot point but the best way was to find it by yourself using the game hints. You need to think to find it.
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I read a comment below my videos from someone who clearly and simply resume the meaning of this game.
"It’s a beautiful story of forgiveness and acceptance disguised as hate and vengeance."
I think it's pretty accurate.
At the end Ellie didn't lost everything, she learn revenge is bad and to achieve that you need to accept and forgive. That's a very mature way to think, that's precious.
She can forgive Joel as well, because she knows by now all the crazy stuff you can do for someone you love.That's exactly what Joel did with the fireflies stuff, he did it because he loved her so much.
I'm sure Dina just go back to Jackson with the baby, Jesse's parents are here to help them. If Ellie go back here it will be fine. Revenge and anger is over now, she left joel's guitar because she's finally ready to move on in her life. Much positivity, much hope in this ending.
@@SirRodney974 Damn that's a good take. Very positive and makes me feel better about the ending. Still don't think Joel's death is justified but I was mainly upset for Ellie. It's probably because I as a person don't forgive Abby. Just like Joel needed to have consequences for the firefly base, Abby needs consequences from Elllie for Joel or else it feels empty. Good that Ellie learned Druckmanns woke lesson... but is that lesson really worth Joels death? I think it opens up a conversation for what people's idea of justice is. I also feel that Ellie lost way more than she gained. The only change from the ending of the first game to the ending of the second game is that now Ellie has just lost her friends and basically her dad. She also lost her ability to connect with Joel through her guitar and that devastates me. I love the themes of forgiveness and the parallels between Ellie, Abby, and Joel but I hate that they had to use Ellie and Joel's pain to push that through. Would have been a great standalone game with different characters. I also feel that Druckmann knew that doing this to Ellie and Joel would piss people off. He went and pushed through that his ideas about revenge are more important than doing a game that continues another journey of Ellie and Joel(like they showed in the trailers). And with this, its incredibly hard to look at the game positively so good on you for looking for the light in this game. Will replay the game with what you said in the back of my mind and see if I get a different outlook on it.
For Joel's death you have to remind yourself the end of TLOU1. The surgeon Joel killed was 1) Abby's father 2) the surgeon was the only one capable to do a VACCINE, maybe humanity will slowly die because of that. That's a BIG justication.
And Ellie was already doubting what Joel's said back then.
The extreme violence, pain, point of view with Abby were necessary to make people understand revenge is a bad things in all circumstances and the consequences are always bad. This is the step 1.
That lesson was worth, this is the step 2, because when you 100% understand this 2 notions (Acceptance and forgiveness), bad feelings like HATE and VENGEANCE can't grow in you no more because are a step ahead in your thinking process.
This 2 notions are really hard to fully achieve, that wisdom, that stuff you learn when you are a very old person (good and smart). This game try to teach us this, in 30hours.They don't tell us directly in a cinematic, they give us the tools to be able achieve this statement. That's the best way to teach, make the students find the result by themselves.
This step 2 stuff is real, because Abby would killed Ellie in the theater or Ellie would killed abby on the beach without this step 2.
Ellie and Abby lost a lot during their journey. But they are alive, they can move on, build their new life.
While there's life, there's hope. The futur is bright for her, at the end in the house, Ellie looks little bit sad, but for me she's giving her final good bye to Joel in her head and she move on.
The guitars were a direct connection with her love for Joel but she was using that in a bad way to push further her revenge, fueling her anger. Ultimately she still love Joel and she don't need a guitar for that.
@@Ckhodie
There was consuquences for Abby killing Joel,
Ellie and Tommy killed everyone she cared about (aside from Lev)
The scene where Ellie confronts Joel about the truth at the hospital is the saddest scene in the game imo
Im a fucking metalhead...i beat every try to not headbanging challenge.....but this.........i lost it even with the thumbnail
If this was the last of us part2 I will not be mad
This game even it is a great game..parts i dont like but understandable..this game leaves you with emptiness inside..but a very great game..
Justice for Joel
So....what your telling me is that Joel has a total of like 30 mins screen time in a 30 hr game and yet we have to play ten hours as abbey
Braydo Dodo lmao
Braydo Dodo stop throwing a fit.
Yes, because he isn’t a main character
Actually he has an hour’s worth of screen time in a 20 hour game
Anybody know the name of the song, if it even is one at 8:55?
Unbroken by Gustavo Santaolalla (I think that’s how you spell it.)
Helplessly Hoping ;)
You forgot the birthday flashback
9:00 what a music is this?
Unbroken by Gustavo Santaolalla
Helplessly Hoping ;)
I would Love to know what Happend to Dina where did sie went. Is sehr Back in Jackson or Not. And Ellie too. Is sehr Back in Jackson, is sehr staying in this House or is sehr searching Abby to get her the Option to get the cure against this "Zombies"
3:48 who is speaking on the tape? Marlene is dead at that point, isn't she? Is it Abby?
Sounds like Mel, she's the only other named doc we know in the game
@@callysto_ii Good guess
@@SirRodney974 I'd recognise Ashly Burch's voice everywhere xD
I think killing Joel at the start is a genius move from the devs. At least now, every time Ellie misses Joel, we feel the same pain as she does because we love Joel, specially when you've played the Last of Us 1 which made us gamers like Joel the most. It did affect me specially on the part where I also want revenge on the killers. I also have that uncomfortable feeling when I get to use **** at the middle part of the game.
I still think that having an option to select on whether you **** or not at the ending part should be included. I think having an ability for gamers a freedom to choose on the ending they want would have been better.
The game having you choose would ruin the story, imo. this isn’t ours story to control it’s ours to watch. Same with the first game having a choice changes the story they want to tell and I think it’s better this way.
@@pgxgamer Im agreed with you Christian.
Ellie not killing Abby means a lot, this is a step up in her way of thinking. The players should think a little bit more about that. And apply this way of thinking into our world and in our daily lives.
If Ellie kills Abby the meaning of the game will be flat and stuck in the revenge state.
@@SirRodney974 Yeah, the story changes meaning as soon as choice is brought into the mix, its theme of the circle of violence and hopefully to breaking it is what this game is about.Changeing it would ruin that message. Cause I see,if their was choice, Ellie killing Abby not only would the cycle continue, most likly Lev would end upkilling Ellie continuing the circle further. That or Ellie would have to kill Lev, at that point who would be the worse person, does she become the monster Joel once was, the thing he wouldn't what her to become. I don't see this game necessarily as Revenge is bad. I see it as Revenge having a price. Both Ellie and Abby have more then justifiable reasons for revenge. How far will you go to pay that price? Thats the question, at what point along this road do you become the thing you want to kill.
@Christian Nunez I found a good quote from Einstein saying "Weak people revenge, Strong people forgive, Intelligent people ignore" , you can relate that with the meaning of this game. Ellie is growing from that lesson.
Somebody in the comments resumed the game perfectly, he said " A beautiful story of forgiveness and acceptance disguised as hate and revenge".
That's a wisdom life lesson we got in this 30hours game, a life process thinking compacted in 30hours. I'm glad some people understood that while playing and finishing the game.
What this game got that other game don't is not only the motion but the "Eye"
Anyone know the song Joel is playing on the porch?
Now Joel is in heaven with Sarah, his real daughter. But I am wondering which daughter he will choose as the lovable, Ellie or Sarah?
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Wtf are you saying? There's no better one. He loved Ellie the same way he loved Sarah. What you said doesn't make any sense
Chanandler Bong Don't get mad man. Joel has two daughters, and one more as the daughter-in-law.
a father doesent choose over his own daughters
I tried but it did not work.
𝘫𝘰𝘦𝘭𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘥 𝘮𝘢𝘥𝘦 𝘮𝘦 𝘤𝘳𝘺..........
I hate this history very very much for all.... But I'd like to play it once again for second time for the last time 😞
This is so sad, Alexa play despacito
I like Naugthy dog
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Is she just give up and stop her revenge or what?
Giving up on revenge is a good thing. Not an easy thing to do, but necessary to be a good person.
She realised that killing Abby wouldn’t bring her any closure. And that if she was willing to forgive Joel then she could do the same for Abby