That space battle is one of my favorite chapter in the whole book series, it's from Bobbie's POV and the way she comes up with the plan to take them down by doing the 360 no scope rail gun shot and getting them to dodge into a barrage of PDC that was fired entire minutes before the rail gun ( rail gun slugs go really really fast ) all while distracting them with torpedoes was amazing, quick maths
i think the torpedoes was used to blind their sensors, they detonated early. Holden used the same moves when he was trying to save the Razorback from the UNN ship. But yea the railgun was used to force them to dodge into PDC shots.
@@operatorlink Good catch, I thought they were just meant to overwhelm the enemy gunner and that their PCCs took them down, but using them to blind their sensors makes total sense, I'll have to re-read that chapter
I was floored when the Roci did its 360 no scope with the railgun. Filip laying into Marco was also fantastic to watch after a season and a half of his smug ass getting away with everything.
14:32 "He's gonna blame Filip so hard..." That's what I love about this show! The characters are so well written that we know their personalities and we know exactly how they're going to react to a given situation.
@@IcyTorment But that is his character. He is even worst in the book, mainly because it is from the perspective of people who knows who knows how he is liked. He is someone who likes to pretend he has great plans but really made either took credit for other people's work or made it up as he goes along. Saying his character is flat is like saying Trump or Boris Johnson are flat character. You see the obvious narcissistic personality and can't understand how they have so many followers. So Marco Inaro is a realistic character.
I like the change in character from Chrisjen over the series. She is now against "coercive methods", but when we first meet her in season 1, she was all for torturing Belters.
That's one of the more brutal and ingenious torture methods I've seen on TV. For some reason I can stand seeing Game of Thrones type torture more than I could gravity torture.
Prax and Anna both played pretty significant roles, in book 6 of the series, but I'll bet we don't see much more of them in Season 6. The writers and producers said they would've been able to do more with those two characters, if Amazon had provided funding for two or four more episodes. In the book, Anna's storyline shows us how terrible life is, on Earth, right now. Meanwhile, Prax applies the courage and compassion he learned on the Roci to the problem of food supply -- and almost gets caught. And, yeah. The space battle, in this episode, totally rocked. :)
I don’t know if this was mentioned in comments, Lakonia is a region in Greece (where the city of Sparta lays) famous for warrior culture in ancient times. Also “Pella” (the Inaros flagship) is the city where Alexander the Great is from
@@irene39 That's not what he said, he said that Alexander the great is from Pella witch is in Macedon. And Lakonia is a region in greece were the city of sparta is
@@elpanico4458 I misread it then, thanks! I thought it was funny given the fact that people from ancient Makedon considered themselves Greek but ancient Greek didn't. Ironically, Makedonians spread the Greek culture with Alexander's conquest.
One of the 3 ships with the Pella attacking the Roci is also named Granicus, named after the battle of Granicus the first pitched battle fought between Alexander against the Persian empire.
Marco's just a narcissist. He doesn't even have the stamina to be a control freak. He is controlling of Filip when it suits him, but he's also emotionally abandoning him *all the time.* He swings from blaming Filip for everything to just ignoring him. He gets bored so easily that even the project of molding and abusing his only son can't hold his attention for very long.
@@sparrowlt and you "kill things" with the "shooty things." That's the reason that there is that second chair beside the pilot on the Roci (and all Martian gunships).
In the book, the whole Prax story was fully explored rather than it being like a Greek tragedy where everything happens off stage. I suspect that because they only had 6 episodes in the season they decided to have Prax mention what happened in terms of the person in his lab getting shot rather than showing it as a subplot and fully vetted.
Yes I think Anna and Prax were supposed to get an episode each, and that was the main thing cut sadly. It protects the main storyline but I would have liked to spend more time with them!
@@garethking5322 to be honest Prax history could be very well resumed in a short scene and this is a quite comprehendible resume that works.. tought comes a bit out of nowhere
The space battle and Filip laying into Marco were of course the standout scenes. But I was glad to see you guys also mention some of Marco's lines from this episode too. Keon Alexander had a couple of my favorite line readings from the whole show here. The sinister way he drew out the word "Rocinante" and then later "James Holden" were just fantastic. I feel like it added so much to those scenes and really gives him that larger-than-life villain persona which is really befitting for a (hopefully temporarily) final antagonist.
"You should have pushed the button harder", lol, that was kinda what he said. Holden wouldn't have saved the Pella if he didn't see Naomi's son on the screen, he couldn't do that to her.
@@zammmerjammer Absolutely, she knew it had to be done at that moment, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't haunt her for the rest of her life or would be mentally stable after it actually happened. She probably thought there was no other choice and couldn't watch what was about to happen.
Yeah, Filip pointing out, it was his fault was great, him showing this is not what they originally were fighting for and handle things. Also, I love how Marco was shook at the end, he literally thought he could not be beaten, then he was, but then he got good news to make him feel good again.
Holden let the Pella go probably because he just doesn't have the heart to kill Naomi's son especially she is already suffering from PTSD. Killing Marco probably won't end the war, the belt is riled up, killing him would just radicalize more belters. Chances are without such a charismatic figure like Macro, it would likely break into different warlords.
Letting your enemies fight it out between themselves and reduce their numbers is a far better scenario than fighting a united force in practically any situation. The right play was to destroy the Pella when it refused to surrender. There is no logic in letting that ship go, it was solely down to his care for Naomi. It was a ship full of mass murderers, her son included amongst them. Letting them go risks millions more lives. Killing Marco does not amount to radicalization. Most of the belt know he abandoned and will now know he rigged his own people to blow up as a trap for the inners, his system wide support is dwindling. Besides, the belt has already been radicalized, they're at war. Killing the rival leader at war is the goal, Bobby knows it well enough, she is soldier through and through. Holden's heart is what stopped his military career and is now ultimately the reason Marco is alive.
@@garethlawton5278 I don't know that would be the case for an organized conventional force fighting guerilla factions. However you may have a point in nudging them to fight among themselves and have a manageable chaos. Problem in this case is Marco is well loved by the more militant belters. They will still "spare some time" for Earth and Mars who killed their beloved leader. Further without Marco, there is the problem of a strong third party like the Laconian or heck maybe even Mars, stepping in to organize / manipulate them to fight a proxy war for them. On top of that the core of the conflict did not go away, the Sol system resources just got reduced by a lot to support way too many people. Meanwhile the Laconian held the ring gate station either by proxy (now) or themselves.
What Holden did here was unforgivable. All those countless lives lost in the remainder of the war are on him. I do understand his motive, of course: love. But I don‘t know how he is going to live with it.
I love how this show makes trivial battle dialogue seem tense af lol honestly their ship battle sequences are so damm good considering most of them are mostly dialogue and ship movement
The station had a bunch of smaller explosions, but more to the ship docks and water and air tanks. Even the ships in the port while moving around loosely, didn't seem damaged by the explosions. I think it was to cut down on their resources even further. Marco is the big bad in the Sol system, but I think it's the Laconia Martians who are in reality running the show.
The Pella is a frigate. The Roci is a corvette. These ships are built like a multi-story building, with highest deck (the flight deck) being the furthest away from the main engine drive.
The Laconia plot feels disconnected so far. The other plots are more exciting. It also doesn't help that there are no characters on Laconia that the audience is attached to. Fortunately Marco's next plan seems to involve Laconia, so it might be in the forefront now
I think they're just preparing for the inevitable 7th season. It's a stop gap measure so that they have room to negotiate with Amazon or whomever wants to pick the show up. This happened to the show before with SciFi.
Read ahead if you want some mild spoilers about how the books are connected to what is happening this season... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . It is disconnected. The Laconia stuff is from one of the novellas and everything else is from book 6. The novella has some connection to what happens in later books, but no connection to what happens in book 6.
Seems like parental supervision on Laconia is pretty lax (to wildly understate things). They're on a totally alien planet full of unknown life forms. And the parents are seriously like reverting to 1970s parents -- "Just come home in time for dinner" ???? Reminds me of watching The Walking Dead and wondering constantly why the parents didn't keep all the children locked inside a literal cage at all times. 🤷
was nice to see Anna and Prax get to return, albeit virtually. are you all watching the short 4-5 minutes vignettes featuring characters from the show (via Amazon x-ray feature) that are accompanying each episode? definitely worth checking out.
Prax is 100% a cameo. The Martian officer is a guest role. Prax did one scene in front of a green screen that they could have set up in his house in an afternoon
Honestly, Prax's scene could have literally been recorded through a skype call. It's still a nice way to give some of the loved characters a quick cameo here and there.
Marcos fashions himself as the new Alexander the Great and glad he got that reality check. I'm also getting strong Kirk vs. Khan vibes from Marcos/Holden.
Marco had the docks and water tanks on Ceres blown up to create a worse problem for Earth and Mars to deal with. But with that reporter, Monica, on scene, this will ultimately hurt Marco’s standing in the Belt.
As soon as the drone was fixed I thought the humans don't know it yet but they aren't the most intelligent creatures on Laconia. I can't wait to see where that goes.
Bit late with this comment but the Laconia platform tech is from the Builders like the protomolecule, while the attacks at the ring gate that wipes out from existence Lt Emily Babbage and Martian admiral Sauveterre (at the end of season 5) is/was the enemy of the builders
They are briefly recurring characters, they are NOT cameos. A cameo is what Stan Lee did in pretty much all the Marvel films until, well, until he couldn't. If you really want a cameo in The Expanse, you have to go back to season 1. The original authors made a cameo appearance where they disembarked from the same shuttle before Miller from Ceres to Eros, in "Salvage" @ [27:24]. (Fun fact: Alfred Hitchcock often did cameos in his own films.)
I have done the first 8 books as audiobooks as my commute was 30 minutes each way pre COVID. These audiobooks are very well done and would recommend them.
The Expanse Audiobooks are great. That's how I took them in and they are gripping stuff. The authors even did a Star Wars EU book about Solo a few years back.
If you read books, definitely do it from book 1, or you will be confused. Not everything is the same. And I cannot recommend enough. About being spoiled by the books: well, there is general sense where they are going, but the show has a lot of surprises and differences, even for us. And just to see it how its done is great.
Philip struck his mom not once but twice in different episodes. You don't lay hands on your mother. He may end up killing Marco but I will still hate him LOL
Yeah, that ship exiting the ring gate has one hell of a drive on the back. I am assuming these are hybrid mars/proto ships that can out manoeuvre/run anything else in the system, defences included. A strong ship but if it truly has integrated PM, that ship is now a lovely snack for the organism that appear to be munching on things related to the PM. Will be interesting to see if that is the counter to these ships.
Semi-spoiler through inferrence: The name of the thing that came through the ring was RSRG-something. In episode 2 I think, there was talk of sending titanium to Medina for some infrastructural purpose. My guess for what the acronym stands for: Ring station railgun. I think they are going to fortify the Ring Space as a location for a last stand. As we know, things behave differently in the Slow Zone.
@@LordTelperionWe know it can repair itself, so maybe it would work, maybe not. I assume the station would be necessary to absorb the recoil of the guns.
For anyone not aware, there are short video's in the X-Ray bonus content on Prime Video for each weekly episode, so pause the episode and check them out for nearly 30 mins of extra content you might miss.
Probably someone said so already but "Laconia" is the region of ancient Greece wherein, oh, I don't know, *Sparta* is located ;). Best regards Raoul G. Kunz
I know it was Christmas & I know you have lives, but.. Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinaly. (I "may" have been looking forward to this. 😉😁 )
the protomoleculey looking things in orbit around Laconia are indeed shipyards building human tech / protomolecule hybrid ships. Thought it was pretty obvious from the first time they showed them ...
OK so with the kid dying, pay attention to what was happening before that. She found the birds. One of them randomly died. She sent the drone, it got hit with something and randomly malfunctioned. Later she's away from her brother, and he randomly gets shot. Someone or something doesn't want her out in that cove. But also, I think they're going to use the kittybutts to heal her brother though.
i think holden disarming was the reference to season 1 ep 1 it was the same situation and he saw cant blow and his lover die and he couldn't do anything but he didn't want Naomi to experience that.
Normies were cameos. Prax and Anna are returning characters, just a shame Amazon didn't stump up the budget for a longer season where their roles would have been expanded this season.
Let me try this again without spoilers... The books are written as a series of trilogies, so stopping at the end of book six makes sense. It's a little like The Expanse's Return of the Jedi - satisfying enough in it's own right, but with enough story threads available to continue if there's the money/will to do so.
Also, how Spock pointed out Khan's 2-dimensional thinking so that the Enterprise could come up from below and behind. The Pella's pilot only knew how to dodge in one direction. Bobby and Holden, both trained warriors, picked up on that clue.
honestly it has to be a belter to kill marcos a earther or martian will turn every belter except probably drummer's group against earth and mars filip would depend on what he does next
what, you didn’t watch Bobbie kicking Amos’ ass in the xray special feature?
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Not sure why everybody is saying Drummer "deserves" to be the one to kill Marco. She was the idiot that let him go. Millions of people would be alive if she had not voted to set him free.
Holden always wants to do the right thing; and in this episode i think he didn't destroy The Pella because they weren't a threat at that moment and he didn't want to be judge jury and executioner; him destroying that other ship before was because there is no cure for the protomolecule. I think Inaros hates Holden because he's the hero Marco would like to be but can't.
I stand by calling it a cameo. TV shows work on a season by season basis. They may have been featured characters in previous seasons, but this season they are nothing more than bit parts with little screen time. Thus, a cameo roll.
FIRE HOLDEN DAMMIT!! Fillip made his bed now he has to pay for it! And the James Webb Space Telescope is gonna revolutionize the way we learn and see in space. It’s going to be positioned in a spot on the other side of our moon where the gravity of the moon and the earth won’t affect it. Not to mention it’s about 100 times more powerful than Hubble. What’s funny is they started designing it 24 years ago and todays it’s cutting edge tech. Either way we should see back to the beginning!
Before I wanted Philip to just die already... Now, I want it to hurt like hell before he dies. It was a mistake to disarm the torpedo. Too little, too late... there is nothing redeemable on that ship.
I got the impression that the proto molecule was not created by the makers of the ring gates "The Builders" and that the makers of the proto molecule were destroyed by The Builders. And the "Dog" is Builder technology not proto molecule technology. As to Philip murdering millions, well the plan was marcos, not Philips all the OPA that are with Marcos, and took part in executing Marcos plan, could also be accused of murdering millions. Philip could come under the category of "Only following orders" with the caveat, that the orders are coming from his father.
The Pella Roci battle was incredible, but there was something about that scene in the midst of the battle when Marco slowly reveals Filip behind him to the Roci crew that just had me and my friends in stitches. It was like something out of a South Park episode.
Rare problem with the writers: We are supposed to.believe, with Martian spec Ops leading the charge, Martian soldiers and techs coming right behind, and the UN Sec Gen.herself with her life on the line, that the station Wasn't IMMEDIATELY AND THOROUGHLY checked for explosives and boobytraps? ???
Would a single missile have finished off the Pella? Fillip and Marco probably would have survived to get to a lifeboat, you know Marco wouldn't believe in a Captain going down with their ship.
That space battle is one of my favorite chapter in the whole book series, it's from Bobbie's POV and the way she comes up with the plan to take them down by doing the 360 no scope rail gun shot and getting them to dodge into a barrage of PDC that was fired entire minutes before the rail gun ( rail gun slugs go really really fast ) all while distracting them with torpedoes was amazing, quick maths
i think the torpedoes was used to blind their sensors, they detonated early. Holden used the same moves when he was trying to save the Razorback from the UNN ship. But yea the railgun was used to force them to dodge into PDC shots.
@@operatorlink Good catch, I thought they were just meant to overwhelm the enemy gunner and that their PCCs took them down, but using them to blind their sensors makes total sense, I'll have to re-read that chapter
2 plus 2 is 4 minus 1 dats 3 quick maffs
I was floored when the Roci did its 360 no scope with the railgun. Filip laying into Marco was also fantastic to watch after a season and a half of his smug ass getting away with everything.
14:32 "He's gonna blame Filip so hard..."
That's what I love about this show! The characters are so well written that we know their personalities and we know exactly how they're going to react to a given situation.
@@IcyTorment But that is his character. He is even worst in the book, mainly because it is from the perspective of people who knows who knows how he is liked. He is someone who likes to pretend he has great plans but really made either took credit for other people's work or made it up as he goes along. Saying his character is flat is like saying Trump or Boris Johnson are flat character. You see the obvious narcissistic personality and can't understand how they have so many followers. So Marco Inaro is a realistic character.
I like the change in character from Chrisjen over the series. She is now against "coercive methods", but when we first meet her in season 1, she was all for torturing Belters.
That's one of the more brutal and ingenious torture methods I've seen on TV. For some reason I can stand seeing Game of Thrones type torture more than I could gravity torture.
Excellent observation. Thats one thing the show has done well that I don’t know is represented in the books as much.
She has a different job now
Prax and Anna both played pretty significant roles, in book 6 of the series, but I'll bet we don't see much more of them in Season 6.
The writers and producers said they would've been able to do more with those two characters, if Amazon had provided funding for two or four more episodes.
In the book, Anna's storyline shows us how terrible life is, on Earth, right now.
Meanwhile, Prax applies the courage and compassion he learned on the Roci to the problem of food supply -- and almost gets caught.
And, yeah. The space battle, in this episode, totally rocked. :)
I don’t know if this was mentioned in comments, Lakonia is a region in Greece (where the city of Sparta lays) famous for warrior culture in ancient times. Also “Pella” (the Inaros flagship) is the city where Alexander the Great is from
Also Inaros's actor's name is Keon Alexander. Coincidence?
Incorrect. Alexander The Great was from Makedon, not Sparta
@@irene39 That's not what he said, he said that Alexander the great is from Pella witch is in Macedon.
And Lakonia is a region in greece were the city of sparta is
@@elpanico4458 I misread it then, thanks! I thought it was funny given the fact that people from ancient Makedon considered themselves Greek but ancient Greek didn't. Ironically, Makedonians spread the Greek culture with Alexander's conquest.
One of the 3 ships with the Pella attacking the Roci is also named Granicus, named after the battle of Granicus the first pitched battle fought between Alexander against the Persian empire.
Marco's just a narcissist. He doesn't even have the stamina to be a control freak. He is controlling of Filip when it suits him, but he's also emotionally abandoning him *all the time.* He swings from blaming Filip for everything to just ignoring him. He gets bored so easily that even the project of molding and abusing his only son can't hold his attention for very long.
Sounds like my boss. ;)
homie got adhd 🤣
People don't always remember that Roberta Draper is a Marine Gunnery Seargent. That means that she used to working with heavy, indirect fire weapons.
"im a marine.. pilots fly me to kill things"
@@sparrowlt and you "kill things" with the "shooty things." That's the reason that there is that second chair beside the pilot on the Roci (and all Martian gunships).
In the book, the whole Prax story was fully explored rather than it being like a Greek tragedy where everything happens off stage. I suspect that because they only had 6 episodes in the season they decided to have Prax mention what happened in terms of the person in his lab getting shot rather than showing it as a subplot and fully vetted.
Budget cuts
Yes I think Anna and Prax were supposed to get an episode each, and that was the main thing cut sadly. It protects the main storyline but I would have liked to spend more time with them!
@@garethking5322 to be honest Prax history could be very well resumed in a short scene and this is a quite comprehendible resume that works.. tought comes a bit out of nowhere
The space battle and Filip laying into Marco were of course the standout scenes. But I was glad to see you guys also mention some of Marco's lines from this episode too. Keon Alexander had a couple of my favorite line readings from the whole show here. The sinister way he drew out the word "Rocinante" and then later "James Holden" were just fantastic. I feel like it added so much to those scenes and really gives him that larger-than-life villain persona which is really befitting for a (hopefully temporarily) final antagonist.
I really like the "I will never live at the end of your leash" one.
@@gerardlacroix6015 Agreed. I forgot to mention that one. Probably my favorite line of the episode.
I agree, Keon Alexander is eating it up as Inaros.
Indeed, Keon Alexander was excellent. Inaros was just pure a-hole in the books, but Keon made him a charismatic pure a-hole.
I'm convinced Keon Alexander pronounced "Roci-nante" that way as a shout-out to Eric.
🤣 I'll totally admit, I thought the same thing... lol!
"You should have pushed the button harder", lol, that was kinda what he said. Holden wouldn't have saved the Pella if he didn't see Naomi's son on the screen, he couldn't do that to her.
Yet even Naomi seemed to have accepted in that moment Filip getting blown to smithereens.
@@zammmerjammer Absolutely, she knew it had to be done at that moment, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't haunt her for the rest of her life or would be mentally stable after it actually happened. She probably thought there was no other choice and couldn't watch what was about to happen.
I fucking love the expanse. I'll miss it when it's gone :(
Trust the crew to IMMEDIATELY recognize the Millenium Falcon Targeting Computer ON THE SPOT!
That space fight was awesome, this show keeps surprising me with amazing ideas every season.
Yeah, Filip pointing out, it was his fault was great, him showing this is not what they originally were fighting for and handle things. Also, I love how Marco was shook at the end, he literally thought he could not be beaten, then he was, but then he got good news to make him feel good again.
That fight was great. Literally straight out of the books.
Minus some characters :p But I was really looking forward to this fight and they did not disappoint!
Awesome to hear. It was very cool. They nail these fight scenes so hard
Holden let the Pella go probably because he just doesn't have the heart to kill Naomi's son especially she is already suffering from PTSD. Killing Marco probably won't end the war, the belt is riled up, killing him would just radicalize more belters. Chances are without such a charismatic figure like Macro, it would likely break into different warlords.
Killing Marco would have made the conflict shorter. If they splinter, easier job for Earth and Mars to win.
Agree on the rest, though.
Letting your enemies fight it out between themselves and reduce their numbers is a far better scenario than fighting a united force in practically any situation. The right play was to destroy the Pella when it refused to surrender. There is no logic in letting that ship go, it was solely down to his care for Naomi. It was a ship full of mass murderers, her son included amongst them. Letting them go risks millions more lives.
Killing Marco does not amount to radicalization. Most of the belt know he abandoned and will now know he rigged his own people to blow up as a trap for the inners, his system wide support is dwindling. Besides, the belt has already been radicalized, they're at war. Killing the rival leader at war is the goal, Bobby knows it well enough, she is soldier through and through. Holden's heart is what stopped his military career and is now ultimately the reason Marco is alive.
@@garethlawton5278 I don't know that would be the case for an organized conventional force fighting guerilla factions. However you may have a point in nudging them to fight among themselves and have a manageable chaos. Problem in this case is Marco is well loved by the more militant belters. They will still "spare some time" for Earth and Mars who killed their beloved leader. Further without Marco, there is the problem of a strong third party like the Laconian or heck maybe even Mars, stepping in to organize / manipulate them to fight a proxy war for them. On top of that the core of the conflict did not go away, the Sol system resources just got reduced by a lot to support way too many people. Meanwhile the Laconian held the ring gate station either by proxy (now) or themselves.
What Holden did here was unforgivable. All those countless lives lost in the remainder of the war are on him. I do understand his motive, of course: love. But I don‘t know how he is going to live with it.
They brought the protomolecule to Laconia and its proximity is activating all of the old machinery the same way that it happened on Illus.
I love how this show makes trivial battle dialogue seem tense af lol honestly their ship battle sequences are so damm good considering most of them are mostly dialogue and ship movement
The station had a bunch of smaller explosions, but more to the ship docks and water and air tanks. Even the ships in the port while moving around loosely, didn't seem damaged by the explosions. I think it was to cut down on their resources even further. Marco is the big bad in the Sol system, but I think it's the Laconia Martians who are in reality running the show.
The Pella is a frigate. The Roci is a corvette. These ships are built like a multi-story building, with highest deck (the flight deck) being the furthest away from the main engine drive.
The audiobooks for The Expanse are excellent Eric - you'd be well served!
Very much so. The narrations are excellent. Even though the ending isn't really 'bad', I can't stop feeling sad about it.
Such a great episode! Can't wait to see what Drummer and her fleet get up to!
Amazing reaction and discussion as always guys
The Laconia plot feels disconnected so far. The other plots are more exciting. It also doesn't help that there are no characters on Laconia that the audience is attached to. Fortunately Marco's next plan seems to involve Laconia, so it might be in the forefront now
I think they're just preparing for the inevitable 7th season. It's a stop gap measure so that they have room to negotiate with Amazon or whomever wants to pick the show up. This happened to the show before with SciFi.
are sure Admiral Duarte is coming
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It is disconnected. The Laconia stuff is from one of the novellas and everything else is from book 6. The novella has some connection to what happens in later books, but no connection to what happens in book 6.
Seems like parental supervision on Laconia is pretty lax (to wildly understate things).
They're on a totally alien planet full of unknown life forms. And the parents are seriously like reverting to 1970s parents -- "Just come home in time for dinner" ????
Reminds me of watching The Walking Dead and wondering constantly why the parents didn't keep all the children locked inside a literal cage at all times. 🤷
Have you ever seen/read Pet Sematary by Stephen King ? This Episode has massive horror vipes in that direction.
was nice to see Anna and Prax get to return, albeit virtually.
are you all watching the short 4-5 minutes vignettes featuring characters from the show (via Amazon x-ray feature) that are accompanying each episode?
definitely worth checking out.
Too bad they had to cut their roles into cameos because of the shorter season.
The Webb telescope is at a lagrange point which is a point between 3 bodies where there is neutral gravity. It is super cool.
Holden loves Naomi so much - and he knows him killing her son would break her, and always be a barrier between them.
Holden just got a lot of people killed...
I kept looking for this reaction. Love to see Marco's armor chipping!
An Earther killing Marcos would probably martyr him, it should be a Belter.
Prax is 100% a cameo.
The Martian officer is a guest role.
Prax did one scene in front of a green screen that they could have set up in his house in an afternoon
Honestly, Prax's scene could have literally been recorded through a skype call. It's still a nice way to give some of the loved characters a quick cameo here and there.
You should definitely watch the extra X-Ray content. This weeks was particularly fun.
Marcos fashions himself as the new Alexander the Great and glad he got that reality check. I'm also getting strong Kirk vs. Khan vibes from Marcos/Holden.
Marco had the docks and water tanks on Ceres blown up to create a worse problem for Earth and Mars to deal with. But with that reporter, Monica, on scene, this will ultimately hurt Marco’s standing in the Belt.
As soon as the drone was fixed I thought the humans don't know it yet but they aren't the most intelligent creatures on Laconia. I can't wait to see where that goes.
Bit late with this comment but the Laconia platform tech is from the Builders like the protomolecule, while the attacks at the ring gate that wipes out from existence Lt Emily Babbage and Martian admiral Sauveterre (at the end of season 5) is/was the enemy of the builders
They are briefly recurring characters, they are NOT cameos. A cameo is what Stan Lee did in pretty much all the Marvel films until, well, until he couldn't. If you really want a cameo in The Expanse, you have to go back to season 1. The original authors made a cameo appearance where they disembarked from the same shuttle before Miller from Ceres to Eros, in "Salvage" @ [27:24].
(Fun fact: Alfred Hitchcock often did cameos in his own films.)
I have done the first 8 books as audiobooks as my commute was 30 minutes each way pre COVID. These audiobooks are very well done and would recommend them.
Adam Savage in season 2 is a textbook definition of a cameo appearance.
The Expanse Audiobooks are great. That's how I took them in and they are gripping stuff.
The authors even did a Star Wars EU book about Solo a few years back.
If you read books, definitely do it from book 1, or you will be confused. Not everything is the same. And I cannot recommend enough.
About being spoiled by the books: well, there is general sense where they are going, but the show has a lot of surprises and differences, even for us. And just to see it how its done is great.
Philip struck his mom not once but twice in different episodes. You don't lay hands on your mother. He may end up killing Marco but I will still hate him LOL
I think that ship at the end is the Proteus. The first Laconian ship
you guys missed the Amos and Bobby fight scen. In the credits in the "Xray" section you can see it. Bonus content.
FINALLY! Been waiting for your reaction for daaaays!
Love the reactions and talks fellas, ty very much.
Yeah, that ship exiting the ring gate has one hell of a drive on the back. I am assuming these are hybrid mars/proto ships that can out manoeuvre/run anything else in the system, defences included. A strong ship but if it truly has integrated PM, that ship is now a lovely snack for the organism that appear to be munching on things related to the PM. Will be interesting to see if that is the counter to these ships.
Time for some 360 no scope!
im literally 9 hours from finishing the 8th book and the 9th just came out the audio books are killer
Drummer is a BADASS!
700K subs any minute now !!!! Congrats in advance
Great reaction!
Nice catch on the Star Wars call back!!
When guys were talking about robot Miller, it hit me that this robot looked just like those weird dogs on Lakonia :O
Semi-spoiler through inferrence:
The name of the thing that came through the ring was RSRG-something.
In episode 2 I think, there was talk of sending titanium to Medina for some infrastructural purpose.
My guess for what the acronym stands for:
Ring station railgun. I think they are going to fortify the Ring Space as a location for a last stand.
As we know, things behave differently in the Slow Zone.
Will the Nucleus allow things to be drilled into it? Or are we now like the Reclaimers and the Builder tech responds positively to us?
@@LordTelperionWe know it can repair itself, so maybe it would work, maybe not. I assume the station would be necessary to absorb the recoil of the guns.
If you look at the opening of the episode you might see something on the Ring Station.
Its good holden's crew did not kill Marco, many belters would not be happy if it was an 'earther' ship, better to watch Marco authority implode
This episode was amazing
Seeing a reaction for S4 again made me think that the shape Miller took at the end looks remarkably similar to this "fix it" alien on Laconia.
For anyone not aware, there are short video's in the X-Ray bonus content on Prime Video for each weekly episode, so pause the episode and check them out for nearly 30 mins of extra content you might miss.
Probably someone said so already but "Laconia" is the region of ancient Greece wherein, oh, I don't know, *Sparta* is located ;).
Best regards
Raoul G. Kunz
I know it was Christmas & I know you have lives, but..
Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinaly.
(I "may" have been looking forward to this. 😉😁 )
Marcos learnt a hard lesson never underestimate your foe
the protomoleculey looking things in orbit around Laconia are indeed shipyards building human tech / protomolecule hybrid ships. Thought it was pretty obvious from the first time they showed them ...
Holden disarming that warhead might have cost millions of lives, I understand he likely did it for Naomi but it was a terrible decision.
OK so with the kid dying, pay attention to what was happening before that. She found the birds. One of them randomly died. She sent the drone, it got hit with something and randomly malfunctioned. Later she's away from her brother, and he randomly gets shot. Someone or something doesn't want her out in that cove. But also, I think they're going to use the kittybutts to heal her brother though.
i think holden disarming was the reference to season 1 ep 1 it was the same situation and he saw cant blow and his lover die and he couldn't do anything but he didn't want Naomi to experience that.
Watch the bonus content under the X-ray after you guys finish the episodes!! you guys are missing out!!
Normies were cameos. Prax and Anna are returning characters, just a shame Amazon didn't stump up the budget for a longer season where their roles would have been expanded this season.
Normies? Omg where?
45:30 I'd say the Bus Came Back. Put on a bus, bus came back and now there on screen again.
the bird and the drone have blue parts when repaired/revived
and black eye
Remember the Cant
Getting massive Pet-Sematary vipes from Lakonia...
Let me try this again without spoilers...
The books are written as a series of trilogies, so stopping at the end of book six makes sense. It's a little like The Expanse's Return of the Jedi - satisfying enough in it's own right, but with enough story threads available to continue if there's the money/will to do so.
"Easier to tell a man a lie, then to tell a man he's been lied to." ~Sam Clemens
You can't watch the scene with Marco contacting Holden, and not think of The Wrath of Khan.
Also, how Spock pointed out Khan's 2-dimensional thinking so that the Enterprise could come up from below and behind. The Pella's pilot only knew how to dodge in one direction. Bobby and Holden, both trained warriors, picked up on that clue.
This was the best battle in the series!!
honestly it has to be a belter to kill marcos
a earther or martian will turn every belter except probably drummer's group against earth and mars
filip would depend on what he does next
Aaron’s dressed like my favorite flavor of Trix yogurt lol
Marco has it coming, but his end is not coming the way you think.
I'm guessing that the space craft that entered the space conduit was a Rail Gun platform.
"What do your guys' butts look like? -Eric, December 2021
what, you didn’t watch Bobbie kicking Amos’ ass in the xray special feature?
Not sure why everybody is saying Drummer "deserves" to be the one to kill Marco. She was the idiot that let him go. Millions of people would be alive if she had not voted to set him free.
Right??? I feel like that too. I want what happens in the book
Holden always wants to do the right thing; and in this episode i think he didn't destroy The Pella because they weren't a threat at that moment and he didn't want to be judge jury and executioner; him destroying that other ship before was because there is no cure for the protomolecule. I think Inaros hates Holden because he's the hero Marco would like to be but can't.
I stand by calling it a cameo. TV shows work on a season by season basis. They may have been featured characters in previous seasons, but this season they are nothing more than bit parts with little screen time. Thus, a cameo roll.
Please let the rumors be true about a sequel series and movie coming out in the future.
It's only 6 episodes! halfway there.. I hope they manage to tell a good story in that time.
FIRE HOLDEN DAMMIT!!
Fillip made his bed now he has to pay for it!
And the James Webb Space Telescope is gonna revolutionize the way we learn and see in space. It’s going to be positioned in a spot on the other side of our moon where the gravity of the moon and the earth won’t affect it. Not to mention it’s about 100 times more powerful than Hubble. What’s funny is they started designing it 24 years ago and todays it’s cutting edge tech. Either way we should see back to the beginning!
she killed ME!?
Before I wanted Philip to just die already... Now, I want it to hurt like hell before he dies. It was a mistake to disarm the torpedo. Too little, too late... there is nothing redeemable on that ship.
A pathological narcissist is incapable of accepting responsibility for their own failures.
I'm getting serious Zuko/Ozai vibes between Filip & Marcos
I got the impression that the proto molecule was not created by the makers of the ring gates "The Builders" and that the makers of the proto molecule were destroyed by The Builders. And the "Dog" is Builder technology not proto molecule technology.
As to Philip murdering millions, well the plan was marcos, not Philips all the OPA that are with Marcos, and took part in executing Marcos plan, could also be accused of murdering millions. Philip could come under the category of "Only following orders" with the caveat, that the orders are coming from his father.
The Pella Roci battle was incredible, but there was something about that scene in the midst of the battle when Marco slowly reveals Filip behind him to the Roci crew that just had me and my friends in stitches. It was like something out of a South Park episode.
I'm glad you guys didn't take it that way, though, because it's obviously supposed to be such a serious and suspenseful moment.
Marco didn't reveal Filip, Filip leaned into the view.
@@armntic they actually both moved opposite directions
@@armntic he did reveal him, writers said so.
I see what you mean, it was so smug, kind of funny. But I felt both sides in the moment. I found it funny, and scary at the same time.
Watch and react to the X-ray bonus scene please. It was fantastic for this episode.
Rare problem with the writers:
We are supposed to.believe, with Martian spec Ops leading the charge, Martian soldiers and techs coming right behind, and the UN Sec Gen.herself with her life on the line, that the station Wasn't IMMEDIATELY AND THOROUGHLY checked for explosives and boobytraps?
???
Idk if you guys know that a batman trailer dropped today
Please react to Malak, an old republic fan film by Unreal cinema.
Where is the "White Chicks" reaction? Hilarious movie. Definitely should react.
Would a single missile have finished off the Pella? Fillip and Marco probably would have survived to get to a lifeboat, you know Marco wouldn't believe in a Captain going down with their ship.