As a tennis umpire myself, From the audio you can hear a vague "out" call from the player. I didn't hear any "challenge!" or any sign from neither players to challenge the ball. If there was a "challenge" call, then it is a challenge. if it is was "Out" as far as i could hear, it's kind of a hindrance BUT it didn't affect neither players on the other side of the court and it didn't change anything. the "out" was WAY after the ball passed the player and he couldn't get it any way. Under the circumstances, there should be a challenge and at the end, after the supervisor came and reversed the chair umpire's decision. And people please understand this. Supervisors are there for a reason. As a chair umpire i also got overruled. In other cases my original call stood. NOT in every dispute the supervisor is allowed to interfere and sometimes it's the sole discretion of the chair umpire to decide. In the rules it states as "Question of fact vs Question of Law".
RonkoDDR I don’t buy this “question of fact and laws”. There are TH-cam channels that post literally HOURS worth of moments in tennis where the chair empires and supervisors literally ignore the facts just because they don’t want to appear weak and reverse calls. Their logic is “once a call had been made, it can’t be reversed” which is completely retarded
@@romeredubost6971 I assume one of those things: 1. He replied lately to the chair umpire and came immediately. 2. He replied immediately but was on another incident and then they either waited for him or for another supervisor (the latter, unlike the first part, sounds very unlikely) 3. He replied immediately and during the time he came to court he got delayed for some reason. 3. Another unknown reason to me.
@@Qynxc He's not saying there's supposed to be 2 minutes of highlights in this video. He's saying it's pathetic how singles matches highlights only go for 2 minutes while a point dispute gets a whole bloody 11 MINUTES. It's crazy.
Person hits the ball out and then loses the point in an entirely different way, then has a 10 minute break, then gets upset when the opposition is awarded the point that they won twice.
I know, the way Strycova sits down with a smug look on face whilst Mattek and Murray have to be put thru the grinder waiting for the supervisor, thinking she 's gonna get a cheap point, just get on with it.
@@elijahs.1429 But an interference call never made any sense. If it's a challenge then you stop playing and see if it went out. If it had been IN then Strycova/Melo would have won the point, but it wasn't. She is complaining about it not going a way that it never should have gone and never should have been considered.
Completely agree with you, just saying that Melo/Strycova would have won the point if the interference call was allowed to stand which thankfully it wasn't.
i am impressed with the supervisor. he did everything perfectly. he first let the idiot umpire talk and then shut him down by asking the only relevant question, did the umpire hear the challenge call. once he hears the only point he needs to hear he instructs the brain dead to correct himself by awarding the challenge. then he goes to british/american pair to hear their case and says nothing and walk away and goes over to the shameless team side to explain what the correct action is and just did it. a perfect job. well done, sir.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen happen in tennis. Even the supervisor was annoyed at the sheer stupidity " you heard the challenge?? .... then initiate the challenge "
Jye Taylor I think he should have had the common sense to understand that Mattek-Sands was mid swing when Murray said challenge and so she couldn't stop hitting the ball anymore. So he should have done the challenge right away.
The male player with the white hat during the point called a challenge. When this takes place, the point must stop and the challenge is checked. For reasons unknown, the umpire did not stop the point to check the challenge. The point was continued and the team that challenged eventually won the point, which anyway should have been stopped earlier. And when the ghost point was over (won by the team that challenged), the umpire awarded the point to the other team with the excuse that the white hat male "obstructed" the other team by calling a challenge! And the umpire claims that the white hat male should have stopped the point after the challenge, even if the ball was away from him 😂😂 And in the end, the woman of the other team is whining for absolutely no reason!
And the chair umpire calling a hindrance when he heard Murray say “challenge” is one of the most idiotic things. Only slightly worse than the Melo/Strycova team trying to claim that the challenge was a hindrance. LOL
Technically stating in full play would be a hindrance and I'm sure recklessly saying it during play would already be understood by players that you'll lose a challenge or the point (or both) trying that silly balking play. Which works fine for singles play rules. The dynamic has to change a little in doubles as one player can control their calls but not their partner's, so the umpire should assume a position of non-hindrance as a default and stop play to issue the challenge video. I'm guessing this umpire is fairly new and has little doubles umpiring experience.
Mike Kim he only called hinderance when Strycova complained that he led challenge. He was swayed by the players and was unable to dig himself out of the hole he dug. I'm pretty sure he didn't here the challenge call and that's why he called hinderance, but if he didn't hear the challenge call how can he be certain it happened and was a hinderance? In either instance this umpire screwed the pooch. And in both instances the challenge should have been granted as the only tea, that could possibly be disadvantaged from the challenge was the team that called it, hence why they simply celebrated after the winner.
Another umpire out of his depth and not using HIS power appropriately in a situation that was simple and not complicated. Bravo logical supervisor. Strycova needs to calm down
1. It’s time for real-time Hawkeye, it’s nice the players have the optional challenge but it’s dumb for them to be calling their own lines. 2. Strycova is a brat. Either you heard him say challenge and that hindered you, in which case it’s a challenge not a hinderance; or you didn’t hear it and weren’t hindered. Since both you and your partner were quick to point out that he called a challenge immediately after you lost the point the SECOND time, it obviously should be a challenge. If the ball was in you would have won the point legitimately, instead of having to steal it with a BS hinderance claim. You only stand to gain from the challenge since you lost the point TWICE. 3. Why didn’t the umpire stop the point when he heard the challenge. If he didn’t hear the challenge, how can he call the hinderance. Also, all 4 players agree that Murray asked for a challenge. Thank goodness the supervisor had some sense. 4. Real-time Hawkeye is reasonable, make it happen.
Chris 777 Yeah, even with a fast computer there would be a delay. It could be jarring to watch, although, to be fair, there is a delay when players challenge. The delay with the computer would probably be less. There might be a lot more interruptions as there are probably a lot of out balls that are missed by both the players and the umpires, it would be interesting to know how often that is happening. Hey, maybe everyone already knows this and that’s why they aren’t pushing for real-time Hawkeye; but it’s probably cost and technical limitations.
@@noxnc i believe if pressure sensors or lasers or a combination of these are used, Hawkeye features can be implemented at near instant speeds. But expect cost of research and operation to be pretty high
@@harrissravan They actually have it now. They were using it last year due to the pandemic. It’s not on all courts yet. Weirdly, they were using mainly on the outer courts and saving the lines people for the show courts. Backwards logic in a way, but it does cut down on how many lines people you need.
First, a “challenge call in the middle of a play” can’t be a hindrance. Secondly, the final ball is a clear winner, and absolutely no hindrance. Thirdly, the umpire should be removed and banned from officiating a grand slam event!
Murray called for challenge during point; the Chair Umpire should have immediately called-out loudly CHALLENGE or STOP to Stop play. Instead, the indecisive Chair Umpire complicated the situation and had to be rescued by Supervisor.
She was claiming that they only lost the point in the run of play because Melo stopped playing when he heard the challenge call and let Mattel-Sands' backhand go by him.
Weak umpiring but very much unsporting conduct by the Strycova and Melo. Ball was out and the return was also a clear winner in any case. Waste of time but correct outcome at the end of it.
And the other 'lie' about how they had stopped playing after Murray had called challenge It was all moving very quickly and no one stopped or turned off their attention. As we say in Australia: 'Yeah, Nah'...
@@TheC-O-D-Y-Project They immediately told the umpire they heard challenge, both at the same time. They weren't lying, they heard it. The dishonest one was Murray who tried to celebrate the point like nothing happened.
This isn't the first time where there was confusion to whether a player asked for a challenge or not. There should be a universal challenge signal/call for all players, as it is in cricket.
@@alistairelias536 how is a chair umpire supposed to see a visual gesture (universal signal) when the rally is moving at such a pace? Challenges can be called in the middle of a rally. If u r wrong, u lose the point. Either way the challenging players rhythm is broken when he or she deems that there was a missed call
@@chariwarrior4946 I've posted this elsewhere. A challenge is only valid if made immediately and the player ceases to play the point. By 'ignoring' his own challenge and celebrating Mattek-Sand's winner, he effectively lost his right to challenge. Players should really know this. Even if he did challenge, by "playing on" the umpire cannot give him the challenge. By subsequently admitting to 'hindering' his opponents by 'challenging' before Mattek-Sand's winner, they cannot win the point that way either. In tennis you cannot have two ways to win a point.
@@dakeras2410 He (Murray) didn't ignore, he simply went along with the moment. As soon as the controversy came up, he admitted to challenging the shot, which brings back to your point- he couldn't cease to play since the shot went to Mattek-Sands (which if you play the game, know to hit the ball and then make a call rather then letting it go and hoping it lands out).
@@danielyamamoto1996 and that is what happened when people like dake who is a tennis fan but does not play tennis competitive does not understand that u can not hope the ball land out.
Melo wasn't really pushing for it after he realised the situation but Strycova just doubled down on it and then went contrary to what she originally said
its so stupid i mean how strycova is even complaining when she even lost the point with or without an hindrance and besides the fact that her ball was already out before the winner, like i mean this is a sport
Not really. When a player challenges a call, it must be done immediately and he/she must cease the point immediately. For example, a player cannot hit a ball, see that it might be going out, and then mid ball-flight challenge the call. Regardless of what happens with the ball, if the challenge is too late, it qualifies as hindrance. The basic rule of a player cannot be given two chances to win the point applies. As Murray made a verbal call to 'challenge' the line-call, but continued playing and then watched Mattek-Sands hit the winner and subsequently walked back without competing the challenge, he in effect retracted his "verbal challenge" and by 'talking' during the point, it qualifies as hindrance. Murray SHOULD HAVE stopped playing immediately after making a verbal challenge loud enough to everyone to hear. The fact that he simply took the point and walked away was unsportsmanlike. Long and short, the umpire was actually (quite impressively) entirely correct in his judgement. As for all four players screaming at the umpire, really disrespectful, but that's tennis these days I guess.
@@dakeras2410 u can challenge after u have the hit ball, as long as u dont not hit the next ball u are fine. how can u challenge a ball that has not landed yet? and u wouldnt want to just stop your swing just in case it goes in? L
@@dakeras2410 Players are allowed a reflex shot and Crowd noise can drown out calls....and Here, the Chair Umpire HEARD the Challenge call; and to be fair to both Teams he should have used COMMONSENSE and stopped the Play by using his advantage - the Microphone to sound out loudly - CHALLENGE, exactly as done with LET call.
@@dakeras2410 Crowd noise can drown out calls....and Here, the Chair Umpire HEARD the Challenge call; and to be fair to both Teams he should have used COMMONSENSE and stopped the Play by using his advantage - the Microphone to sound out loudly - CHALLENGE, exactly as done with LET call. FYI....Players are allowed a single reflex shot.
Murray: “Challenge” Strycova: He called challenge Umpire: Hinderance Supervisor: Call a challenger you dork! Strycova: I ask for a challenger but don’t give it to him
You would need to understand the rules of tennis for this to make sense. As Murray did not call his challenge loud enough for his partner to hear, and basically retracted his challenge after Mattek-Sands hit her winner by celebrating and walking back to the baseline with her, he effectively "retracted" his challenge, which both 1. negates his right to challenge and 2. counts as hindrance. Had Murray simply stopped playing, raised his racket and insisted that Mattek-Sand's winner should not count because he called a challenge, he would have received the challenge.
Dake Ras shouldn’t the umpire have stopped the game since he heard the challenge, regardless if the challenger stopped playing or not? Unless the umpire stops a rally, whether by awarding a point or admitting a challenge, shouldn’t the players continue playing? Innocent question here; I don’t know the exact rules. (In volleyball, that is the carnal rule: nobody stops playing unless the umpire blows the whistle.)
@@noski33 I don't think the umpire heard the call (nor did Mattek-Sands for that matter as she walked back) , which was why the umpire asked Murray to confirm that he said "Challenge". It was only after their opponents pointed our that Murray spoke during the point that that umpire addressed the issue. By speaking before that point had fully completed, Murray rendered the point null. By pretending not to have made the call and walking back with Mattek-Sands after she hit the winner, he rendered his challenge null (i.e. he played on after a challenge). The problem was not that Mattek-Sands hit the winner, the problem was that Murray did not stick with his challenge once he made it. This is basically the same as Nadal challenging a line call (which hinders his opponent) and then hitting a winner and claiming the winner and not insisting on actually challenging the line call. You can't have it both ways.
Dake Ras you’re making up tennis rules. If the challenge is made fast enough and clear enough, it’s a challenge. It doesn’t matter that Murray regretted the challenge the second he made it.
Murray admitted that he challenged the call. So, Murray called for a challenge, then continued to play the point. He was supposed to stop play immediately, but he didn't. It doesn't matter what Sands did. If a player says "challenge", but continues to play the point that is textbook hindrance. The ref made the right call.
@@djokovicsburneraccount2099 calling challenge is different than deliberate hinderance. if they're saying it's a challenge then run the challenge and let that decide. if it was in then they take the penalty
@@obliviouz Sorry it took so long to reply guys. So Murray continued the point in two different ways actually. 1. If a player calls for a challenge, but gets back into their ready position to retrieve the next shot that is continuing the point. That player doesn't have to hit the ball, just by preparing for the next shot you're showing that you consider the point live. If you watch the video again Murray says challenge, but then he gets in ready position just in case Sands' shot comes back. 2. The SECOND way Murray continued playing is that When making a challenge you are supposed to stop play immediately, OR immediately tell the umpire about the challenge after your partner hits the next shot. Murray did neither. He fist bumped Sands after her "winning shot" , took the point & didn't tell the umpire about his challenge . But, by taking the point, that means by rule he continued play AFTER calling for a challenge. 3. In "Doubles" there are only a few terms a player can say during a point, and continue to play the point without it being considered hindrance. and Challenge is not one of those terms In "Singles" if a player says ANYTHING during a point, and tries to continue to play the point that is Hindrance.
1. Excellent volleying by Bethanie, being hammered. The tight FH volley in particular very good indeed. 2. Shocking call by the linesman. Ball was eight inches out. 3. Shocking failure by the umpire to overrule and call 'out'. 3. Shocking failure by the umpire to award the challenge. 4. Shocking call by the umpire to allow hindrance based only on hearsay if he didn't hear the challenge. 5. Shocking whingeing by Strycova after losing the point twice.
I usually understand a lot of what the umpires decisions are, but this was insane. He called challenge, but that’s a hindrance? How else do you call for a challenge?!
@@franqueworren7323 the way she dresses, the way she wears "eye black" under her eyes to fight the glare, her tattoos, her sometimes awesomely wild hairdos. You know, unique.
@@dropsht no as soon as a challenge is called it is the end of a point. The video review of the challenged play will then decide who gets the point. Thought tennis was straight forward lol, incompetent umpires.
I don't see the point of the chair umpire. It is either a challenge call (which was heard by the chair umpire), so the challenge is called immediately or there is no challenge call so the point is given to Mattek-Sands/Murray.
I will never understand why the commentators feel the need to talk over the on court discussion in a situation like this. We get that they have a job to do, and they're great at it, but we as fans really want to hear what's happening on court.
Who else saw it first time and was like "Why didn't the umpire just do the challenge?". It doesn't take an umpire with years of experience to realise what the right call was here and it took the supervisor two seconds to tell him that
Wasn't the case though. Neither the umpire, nor Mattek-Sands heard it. Her and Murray claiming the point based on Mattek-Sand's winner and walking back to the baseline confirms it wasn't
@@dakeras2410 It doesn't matter. Either you accept the challenge by Murray and it that case if the ball is in, they lost the point because you consider they stop playing (even if Mattek-Sands didn't) and if the ball is out (which was the case) they won the point. Or you don't accept the challenge because nobody heard it and they still win the point because it was winning passing shot. Simple as that
@@RGollie03 The chair umpire states: "I've heard you ask for challenge". The other players brought the complaint to the chair umpire. Can you please explain to me (If Murray clearly asked for a challenge), why Mattek-Sands continued playing on? You have to ask yourself, why (if) the chair umpire thought Murray challenged, why didn't he award the challenge straight away? Why didn't Mattek-Sands also stop playing? Why didn't Murray in any way STOP playing? The only obvious answer is that Murray didn't clearly challenge. I'd recommend you review the footage (without any sound) and tell me at which moment Murray stopped playing?
@@Nicotine46 According to 2019 ATP rules, In order to initiate a valid challenge, a player either needs to make a verbal request to challenge and STOP PLAYING or raise their hand/racket and STOP PLAYING. It is then up to the chair umpire to acknowledge their request for a challenge (e.g. have they used up their challenges, has Hawk-eye been enabled etc) and then initiate the challenge. Shouting 'challenge/out/fault/' or any other verbal comment and continuing playing is considered hindrance and the player loses the point. Seeing as the 'challenge' was invalid, Murray cannot retrospectively claim it. As he made a noise before the completion of the point, he also loses the point.
Murray and Mattek-Sands are 100 PERCENT CORRECT! There should be no confusion whatsoever. Plus, first time in tennis history where the crowd cheers for the supervisor.
Only if the umpire has to get down from his tower-seat thingy and run to farthest point on the court to view the replay on the smallest and least resolution screen technologically available for the time...
Total incompetence on the part of the chair! You can't have it both ways!? He clearly heard the challenge but chose not to execute. Then, after the team who lost the point (for a second time mind you) realized he hadn't executed the challenge, decided to try & win the point via other means by calling the challenge call a hinderance? AND THE CHAIR AGREES!!! What in the actual f@*k man! Then Stryzcova has a hissy fit after confirming they lost the point PRIOR TO the allegation of a hinderance!? Gtfo yourself! Reminds me of my old Indoor Cricket days. The team that cheated the best, wins... lol.
I’ve never even watched a tennis game before and I can already tell you I can’t stand the girl that whined like a baby even though her shot was out. Like what are you arguing?!
Zachary Stone and actually, the challenge is called AFTER the 2nd last ball hit the ground, which is almost the same time Mattek hit it last. So the umpire’s excuse that Murray did not stop playing when he called the challenge (thereby making it a hindrance) is, at best, flimsy. How on earth could he stupidly complicate that call!
Also, Murray/Mattek-Sands should only have lost the point if any hindrance had been a deliberate act. If Murray had called for a challenge, and if the umpire hadn't heard him, then at worst it should have been ruled an accidental hindrance and the point should have been replayed.
That made no sense. I saw it was clearly out, and she still hit the ball back, and made the point. So, either way, it should have been their point. For the other girl to throw a fit, after the challenge shows she hit the ball out anyway, is just ridiculous. These players need to learn that Reputation can be much more important than one point.
I believe that only ppl with knowledge of the ATP rules should make technical commentary here as the letter of the law allows any player on the court to use any available challenge entitled to them up to the commencement of the next rally. Clearly Murray's challenge was justified.
ATP rules are freely available via the 2019-atp-rulebook_19dec.pdf which can be downloaded from the ATP website and no, it does not make any statement to support your claim whatsoever. I don't know why you state only people with knowledge of ATP rules should make a technical commentary and then proceed to make an erroneous comment yourself :) Section L. Electronic Review ***************************** 2) In doubles the appealing player must make his appeal in such a way that either play stops or the Chair Umpire stops play. If an appeal is made to the Chair Umpire then he must first determine that the correct appeal procedure was followed. If it was not correct or if it was late, then the Chair Umpire may determine that the opposing team was deliberately hindered, in which case the appealing team loses the point. 6) In order to challenge, a player must show an immediate interest in making a challenge and must do it in a timely manner. The key to the policy is “immediate interest”. The player must also make his/her intention to challenge known to the Chair Umpire either verbally or visually using his racquet or finger. The Chair Umpire will (a) reconfirm with the player his intent to challenge; (b) confirm that the player has challenges remaining; and (c) proceed with the electronic review. **************************** As you can see from section 2, neither was Murray's "appeal" one which caused play to stop, nor did the chair umpire stop play as a result of this, nor was it done with "immediate interest". Instead, Murray and Mattek-Sands continued to celebrate the point walking back to the baseline, thus a challenge cannot be awarded according to ATP rules. The rules are quite clear cut. As Murray also admitted to making a verbal comment during the point after his opponents raised this with the umpire, it automatically qualifies as hindrance and they lose the point.
@@dakeras2410 so u saying to me that Murray improperly requested a challenge when it is outside of his power to stop play? When he made the verbal statement to challenge he was not the next player to contact the ball, nor does he have the authority to halt play. His partner nor he was advised to stop play as the chair umpire did not gesture or signal the stop of play. His verbal assertion was immediate, but the chair umpires response was not. The line of site for the Lines person was hindered, so the definitive call could not be made. Granted, this is a grey area in present system in that the two challenges alloted put undue requirements on the players, who's immediate responsibility is to play the game. Thank you for your comments though.
@@dakeras2410 I would ask you or the ATP to determine "what is 'Immediate' or what is 'timely'" in a very fast paced rally? If your appeal is not recognized audibly or visually by the chair umpire, do you risk losing the point by not continuing play? "Erroneous" is a subjective interpretation, but I do appreciate your candor.
@@devonpaul203 Murray had full authority as the challenging player to stop play by loudly and clearly stating his intention to challenge, regardless of what Mattek-Sands did with that reactionary shot. Had he done so, clearly, the umpire would have had no choice but to stop play and award the challenge straight away. Why do you think Mattek-Sands didn't react to his 'challenge'. Do you think she is hearing impaired, a cheat, or perhaps she didn't hear him ?
@@dakeras2410 Are you hearing impaired? Murray says challenge after she hits the ball so she doesn’t continue playing after he calls challenge because the ball isn’t hit back to her.
The hindrance(Mattek-Sands hitting racquet to ground) happened before the ball gone out, so either replay the point or give the point to the team who didn’t do hindrance.
They won the point twice. The ball was already struck on it's way for a winner when he even muttered challenge. So them trying to claim a distraction is bologna. And then for there to be any argument about not being able to get the challenge makes absolutely no sense. Terrible umpiring.
The only reason why strycova frustrated by supervisor's decision is the fact that she knew the ball was out so the hawkeye will overrule the point. Then, it means that strycova tried to steal a point from her opponents lol
If you look at the play, it’s not possible the linesman could have been unsighted (unless he was asleep). You’re right, if he called the line promptly and accurately, there could have been no need for a challenge actually.
This is a historic moment in tennis - the supervisor actually did something.
Hahaha
As a tennis umpire myself,
From the audio you can hear a vague "out" call from the player. I didn't hear any "challenge!" or any sign from neither players to challenge the ball. If there was a "challenge" call, then it is a challenge. if it is was "Out" as far as i could hear, it's kind of a hindrance BUT it didn't affect neither players on the other side of the court and it didn't change anything. the "out" was WAY after the ball passed the player and he couldn't get it any way.
Under the circumstances, there should be a challenge and at the end, after the supervisor came and reversed the chair umpire's decision.
And people please understand this. Supervisors are there for a reason. As a chair umpire i also got overruled. In other cases my original call stood. NOT in every dispute the supervisor is allowed to interfere and sometimes it's the sole discretion of the chair umpire to decide. In the rules it states as "Question of fact vs Question of Law".
RonkoDDR I don’t buy this “question of fact and laws”. There are TH-cam channels that post literally HOURS worth of moments in tennis where the chair empires and supervisors literally ignore the facts just because they don’t want to appear weak and reverse calls. Their logic is “once a call had been made, it can’t be reversed” which is completely retarded
@@RoniRonkoKovatch my only question to you is....what takes the supervisor so long to get there? Is he not in the building, available?
@@romeredubost6971
I assume one of those things:
1. He replied lately to the chair umpire and came immediately.
2. He replied immediately but was on another incident and then they either waited for him or for another supervisor (the latter, unlike the first part, sounds very unlikely)
3. He replied immediately and during the time he came to court he got delayed for some reason.
3. Another unknown reason to me.
We get 11 mins of this, but only 2 mins of 'highlights' from top seeded singles matches.
Makes perfect sense.
Different channel mate
@@Qynxc He's not saying there's supposed to be 2 minutes of highlights in this video. He's saying it's pathetic how singles matches highlights only go for 2 minutes while a point dispute gets a whole bloody 11 MINUTES. It's crazy.
@@Qynxc Yep, evidently you do find it hard. Keep at it.
@@Qynxc yeah mate, reading comprehension is sure hard, isn't it
Not sure why you clicked on this video if you were looking for highlights smart guy lol.
- "Challenge."
- "Point lost. Hindrance."
What a gem.
Person hits the ball out and then loses the point in an entirely different way, then has a 10 minute break, then gets upset when the opposition is awarded the point that they won twice.
I know, the way Strycova sits down with a smug look on face whilst Mattek and Murray have to be put thru the grinder waiting for the supervisor, thinking she 's gonna get a cheap point, just get on with it.
Because of the interference call, Strycova and Melo would have won the point.
@@elijahs.1429 But an interference call never made any sense. If it's a challenge then you stop playing and see if it went out. If it had been IN then Strycova/Melo would have won the point, but it wasn't. She is complaining about it not going a way that it never should have gone and never should have been considered.
Completely agree with you, just saying that Melo/Strycova would have won the point if the interference call was allowed to stand which thankfully it wasn't.
Strycova is always an ass
i am impressed with the supervisor. he did everything perfectly. he first let the idiot umpire talk and then shut him down by asking the only relevant question, did the umpire hear the challenge call. once he hears the only point he needs to hear he instructs the brain dead to correct himself by awarding the challenge. then he goes to british/american pair to hear their case and says nothing and walk away and goes over to the shameless team side to explain what the correct action is and just did it. a perfect job. well done, sir.
Terse and accurate synopsis. I wish I read this before wasting 10 minutes of my life. Thank you!
Haha, nice one dude
This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen happen in tennis. Even the supervisor was annoyed at the sheer stupidity " you heard the challenge?? .... then initiate the challenge "
Even Murray was wondering if it was a challenge or not though to begin with, because they wouldn't have won the point of his challenge was wrong
Not saying this isn't dumb but you haven't watched much tennis have you? lol
new to tennis?
Ron Morgan .
Murray didn't say challenge, he said "out".
That's not a challenge, he shouldn't be awarded a challenge
Terrible handling by the umpire. And even worse reaction by Strycova in the end.
Michael F what did the umpire do wrong?
Jye Taylor I think he should have had the common sense to understand that Mattek-Sands was mid swing when Murray said challenge and so she couldn't stop hitting the ball anymore. So he should have done the challenge right away.
shatterhand01 gotcha 👍 thanks
The male player with the white hat during the point called a challenge. When this takes place, the point must stop and the challenge is checked. For reasons unknown, the umpire did not stop the point to check the challenge. The point was continued and the team that challenged eventually won the point, which anyway should have been stopped earlier. And when the ghost point was over (won by the team that challenged), the umpire awarded the point to the other team with the excuse that the white hat male "obstructed" the other team by calling a challenge! And the umpire claims that the white hat male should have stopped the point after the challenge, even if the ball was away from him 😂😂 And in the end, the woman of the other team is whining for absolutely no reason!
I’m sure Strycova is great of you don’t count looks, brains and personality. Also, integrity.
And the chair umpire calling a hindrance when he heard Murray say “challenge” is one of the most idiotic things. Only slightly worse than the Melo/Strycova team trying to claim that the challenge was a hindrance. LOL
Technically stating in full play would be a hindrance and I'm sure recklessly saying it during play would already be understood by players that you'll lose a challenge or the point (or both) trying that silly balking play. Which works fine for singles play rules. The dynamic has to change a little in doubles as one player can control their calls but not their partner's, so the umpire should assume a position of non-hindrance as a default and stop play to issue the challenge video. I'm guessing this umpire is fairly new and has little doubles umpiring experience.
Women!
Mike Kim he only called hinderance when Strycova complained that he led challenge. He was swayed by the players and was unable to dig himself out of the hole he dug. I'm pretty sure he didn't here the challenge call and that's why he called hinderance, but if he didn't hear the challenge call how can he be certain it happened and was a hinderance? In either instance this umpire screwed the pooch. And in both instances the challenge should have been granted as the only tea, that could possibly be disadvantaged from the challenge was the team that called it, hence why they simply celebrated after the winner.
In the end the chair umpire turned out to be the hindrance!
The C.O.D.Y. Project this explanation made the most sense. The application could be different in a doubles match.
Another umpire out of his depth and not using HIS power appropriately in a situation that was simple and not complicated. Bravo logical supervisor. Strycova needs to calm down
First time I have EVER seen a supervisor actually overrule a chair umpire!! Amazing!
1. It’s time for real-time Hawkeye, it’s nice the players have the optional challenge but it’s dumb for them to be calling their own lines.
2. Strycova is a brat. Either you heard him say challenge and that hindered you, in which case it’s a challenge not a hinderance; or you didn’t hear it and weren’t hindered. Since both you and your partner were quick to point out that he called a challenge immediately after you lost the point the SECOND time, it obviously should be a challenge. If the ball was in you would have won the point legitimately, instead of having to steal it with a BS hinderance claim. You only stand to gain from the challenge since you lost the point TWICE.
3. Why didn’t the umpire stop the point when he heard the challenge. If he didn’t hear the challenge, how can he call the hinderance. Also, all 4 players agree that Murray asked for a challenge. Thank goodness the supervisor had some sense.
4. Real-time Hawkeye is reasonable, make it happen.
Nox NC the hawkeye would have to relay every single shot back to the ref, i guess its possible but a lot of work for a computer of some sort
Chris 777 Yeah, even with a fast computer there would be a delay. It could be jarring to watch, although, to be fair, there is a delay when players challenge. The delay with the computer would probably be less. There might be a lot more interruptions as there are probably a lot of out balls that are missed by both the players and the umpires, it would be interesting to know how often that is happening. Hey, maybe everyone already knows this and that’s why they aren’t pushing for real-time Hawkeye; but it’s probably cost and technical limitations.
@@noxnc i believe if pressure sensors or lasers or a combination of these are used, Hawkeye features can be implemented at near instant speeds. But expect cost of research and operation to be pretty high
@@harrissravan They actually have it now. They were using it last year due to the pandemic. It’s not on all courts yet. Weirdly, they were using mainly on the outer courts and saving the lines people for the show courts. Backwards logic in a way, but it does cut down on how many lines people you need.
we have automated line calling 4 years after :D
First, a “challenge call in the middle of a play” can’t be a hindrance.
Secondly, the final ball is a clear winner, and absolutely no hindrance.
Thirdly, the umpire should be removed and banned from officiating a grand slam event!
why
@@jacktokmaji927 BRUH just read🤬
So what did he do after he made a challenge?
@@rizvan1632 nothing, the point was over due to a winner from his partner.
I want to see you on Chair bro
Murray called for challenge during point; the Chair Umpire should have immediately called-out loudly CHALLENGE or STOP to Stop play. Instead, the indecisive Chair Umpire complicated the situation and had to be rescued by Supervisor.
Stupid umpire. He is a football referee actually. Murray u should be embarrased to, why u challenge after u lose point. Shame on you
@@anonymousdrift3765 They won the point both ways. They won the point at the end of the rally and with the challenge too.
@@anonymousdrift3765 if you lost the point thats the entire point of 'challenging' a shot
@@anonymousdrift3765 and you're as stupid as that umpire 😂
and the players also complicataed it further and beyond reasonable ethics by argueing with the umpire and trying to make him look bad
So pleased they ended up winning this match
and tourney...
But lost the final
they lost the point either way what’s the point in still crying over it
yeah, I'd like to know what strycova was arguing there
Yeah I didn't get what Strycova wanted out of that?? They had lost the point either way
They wanted to do it the right way. They didn’t cause it hinderance, they challenged it but umpire said something else i guessz
She was claiming that they only lost the point in the run of play because Melo stopped playing when he heard the challenge call and let Mattel-Sands' backhand go by him.
If Murray challenged the ball and it was IN then they would have won the point because the challenge was off.
Weak umpiring but very much unsporting conduct by the Strycova and Melo. Ball was out and the return was also a clear winner in any case. Waste of time but correct outcome at the end of it.
And the other 'lie' about how they had stopped playing after Murray had called challenge It was all moving very quickly and no one stopped or turned off their attention. As we say in Australia: 'Yeah, Nah'...
@@TheC-O-D-Y-Project They immediately told the umpire they heard challenge, both at the same time. They weren't lying, they heard it. The dishonest one was Murray who tried to celebrate the point like nothing happened.
@@robertorolfo, deaf, dumb and blind, are you?
This isn't the first time where there was confusion to whether a player asked for a challenge or not. There should be a universal challenge signal/call for all players, as it is in cricket.
I agree. The signal should be hurling the racket in the general direction of the umpire and suggesting he/she can't be serious.
And how do u propose a universal signal in a high speed rally... to take the players off of their rhythm?
@@devonpaul203 If you're going to stop a rally to challenge, then you'll disrupt the opponent's rhythm in any case...
Just implement Live Hawk Eye, no need for challenges anymore.
@@alistairelias536 how is a chair umpire supposed to see a visual gesture (universal signal) when the rally is moving at such a pace? Challenges can be called in the middle of a rally. If u r wrong, u lose the point. Either way the challenging players rhythm is broken when he or she deems that there was a missed call
So : The umpire sucks
Strycova is all but fair play
The supervisor was useful for once OMG this is amazing x)
Supervisor was wrong. Upon review he'd have to admit that unfortunately.
Dake Ras Why was he wrong?
@@chariwarrior4946 I've posted this elsewhere. A challenge is only valid if made immediately and the player ceases to play the point. By 'ignoring' his own challenge and celebrating Mattek-Sand's winner, he effectively lost his right to challenge. Players should really know this. Even if he did challenge, by "playing on" the umpire cannot give him the challenge.
By subsequently admitting to 'hindering' his opponents by 'challenging' before Mattek-Sand's winner, they cannot win the point that way either.
In tennis you cannot have two ways to win a point.
@@dakeras2410 He (Murray) didn't ignore, he simply went along with the moment. As soon as the controversy came up, he admitted to challenging the shot, which brings back to your point- he couldn't cease to play since the shot went to Mattek-Sands (which if you play the game, know to hit the ball and then make a call rather then letting it go and hoping it lands out).
@@danielyamamoto1996 and that is what happened when people like dake who is a tennis fan but does not play tennis competitive does not understand that u can not hope the ball land out.
I’m sure this video will be longer than the final’s match highlight
When umpires let their ego get in the way!
never happens in tennis
Nothing wrong with ego. He shud feel the other way around it, in that sense.
When you lost respect for strycova and melo,how can they argue when ball was out + Mattek got a winner ,some tennis players are greedy
Melo wasn't really pushing for it after he realised the situation but Strycova just doubled down on it and then went contrary to what she originally said
@@2981-l8m that's true,but if i was him i would calm her down
Read the explanation posted by Dake Ras. He will clear it up for you.
Please make this into a bad lip reading episode
ozzyman reviews should do this
HOW DOES THIS COMMENT NOT HAVE MORE LIKES? That is a fantastic suggestion.
Actually no bad lip needed. The original dialogue is super retarded and funny in itself.
its so stupid i mean how strycova is even complaining when she even lost the point with or without an hindrance and besides the fact that her ball was already out before the winner, like i mean this is a sport
I feel sorry for the spectators here - they probably don’t know what’s going on. And they probably don’t even after the final decision.
2:40 this girl who change seats thinks mmhhh drama love it😂
Mart Mart Hahahaha
😂😂😂
The umpire had a strange brain fart.
Not really. When a player challenges a call, it must be done immediately and he/she must cease the point immediately. For example, a player cannot hit a ball, see that it might be going out, and then mid ball-flight challenge the call. Regardless of what happens with the ball, if the challenge is too late, it qualifies as hindrance. The basic rule of a player cannot be given two chances to win the point applies.
As Murray made a verbal call to 'challenge' the line-call, but continued playing and then watched Mattek-Sands hit the winner and subsequently walked back without competing the challenge, he in effect retracted his "verbal challenge" and by 'talking' during the point, it qualifies as hindrance.
Murray SHOULD HAVE stopped playing immediately after making a verbal challenge loud enough to everyone to hear. The fact that he simply took the point and walked away was unsportsmanlike. Long and short, the umpire was actually (quite impressively) entirely correct in his judgement.
As for all four players screaming at the umpire, really disrespectful, but that's tennis these days I guess.
@@dakeras2410 I would agree with you if it was a late challenge, but I've no reason to believe the challenge was late.
@@dakeras2410 u can challenge after u have the hit ball, as long as u dont not hit the next ball u are fine. how can u challenge a ball that has not landed yet? and u wouldnt want to just stop your swing just in case it goes in? L
@@dakeras2410 Players are allowed a reflex shot and Crowd noise can drown out calls....and Here, the Chair Umpire HEARD the Challenge call; and to be fair to both Teams he should have used COMMONSENSE and stopped the Play by using his advantage - the Microphone to sound out loudly - CHALLENGE, exactly as done with LET call.
@@dakeras2410 Crowd noise can drown out calls....and Here, the Chair Umpire HEARD the Challenge call; and to be fair to both Teams he should have used COMMONSENSE and stopped the Play by using his advantage - the Microphone to sound out loudly - CHALLENGE, exactly as done with LET call. FYI....Players are allowed a single reflex shot.
Such more sportsmanship. She lost the point two times. Notice her partner did not say anything.
Murray: “Challenge”
Strycova: He called challenge
Umpire: Hinderance
Supervisor: Call a challenger you dork!
Strycova: I ask for a challenger but don’t give it to him
You would need to understand the rules of tennis for this to make sense. As Murray did not call his challenge loud enough for his partner to hear, and basically retracted his challenge after Mattek-Sands hit her winner by celebrating and walking back to the baseline with her, he effectively "retracted" his challenge, which both
1. negates his right to challenge and
2. counts as hindrance.
Had Murray simply stopped playing, raised his racket and insisted that Mattek-Sand's winner should not count because he called a challenge, he would have received the challenge.
@@dakeras2410 that's a doozy
Dake Ras shouldn’t the umpire have stopped the game since he heard the challenge, regardless if the challenger stopped playing or not? Unless the umpire stops a rally, whether by awarding a point or admitting a challenge, shouldn’t the players continue playing? Innocent question here; I don’t know the exact rules. (In volleyball, that is the carnal rule: nobody stops playing unless the umpire blows the whistle.)
@@noski33 I don't think the umpire heard the call (nor did Mattek-Sands for that matter as she walked back) , which was why the umpire asked Murray to confirm that he said "Challenge". It was only after their opponents pointed our that Murray spoke during the point that that umpire addressed the issue. By speaking before that point had fully completed, Murray rendered the point null. By pretending not to have made the call and walking back with Mattek-Sands after she hit the winner, he rendered his challenge null (i.e. he played on after a challenge). The problem was not that Mattek-Sands hit the winner, the problem was that Murray did not stick with his challenge once he made it.
This is basically the same as Nadal challenging a line call (which hinders his opponent) and then hitting a winner and claiming the winner and not insisting on actually challenging the line call.
You can't have it both ways.
Dake Ras you’re making up tennis rules. If the challenge is made fast enough and clear enough, it’s a challenge. It doesn’t matter that Murray regretted the challenge the second he made it.
Strycova's recation in the end was the worst in all of this
Weird. How is a challenge a hindrance and what on Earth was Strycova complaining about? Side note: finally a supervisor who did something!
When jamie said "yeah i challenged it" that should have been the end of it
Murray admitted that he challenged the call. So, Murray called for a challenge, then continued to play the point. He was supposed to stop play immediately, but he didn't. It doesn't matter what Sands did. If a player says "challenge", but continues to play the point that is textbook hindrance. The ref made the right call.
@@djokovicsburneraccount2099 calling challenge is different than deliberate hinderance. if they're saying it's a challenge then run the challenge and let that decide. if it was in then they take the penalty
@@djokovicsburneraccount2099 "then continued to play the point." He didn't though - he never hit the ball after calling challenge.
@@djokovicsburneraccount2099 How did he continue playing?
@@obliviouz Sorry it took so long to reply guys.
So Murray continued the point in two different ways actually. 1. If a player calls for a challenge, but gets back into their ready position to retrieve the next shot that is continuing the point. That player doesn't have to hit the ball, just by preparing for the next shot you're showing that you consider the point live. If you watch the video again Murray says challenge, but then he gets in ready position just in case Sands' shot comes back.
2. The SECOND way Murray continued playing is that When making a challenge you are supposed to stop play immediately, OR immediately tell the umpire about the challenge after your partner hits the next shot. Murray did neither. He fist bumped Sands after her "winning shot" , took the point & didn't tell the umpire about his challenge . But, by taking the point, that means by rule he continued play AFTER calling for a challenge.
3. In "Doubles" there are only a few terms a player can say during a point, and continue to play the point without it being considered hindrance. and Challenge is not one of those terms
In "Singles" if a player says ANYTHING during a point, and tries to continue to play the point that is Hindrance.
Ump: "I'm a big dingus"
Crycova : "Wehhhh, Im a toddler"
Rhys Plant lolllll
Strycova is unsportsmanlike, plain and simple
What I learned: Strycova is a cheater
Can't conclude that without knowing she knew the ball was out.
JWF I concluded that after the challenge showed the ball was out and Strycova continued to moan about it.
@@Aizouli she knew the ball was out and threw a tantrum when they wanted to show the replay
I love the supervisor to the chair umpire: “you heard the call for challenge then you should allow the challenge!”
Just needed a nasally Australian in the crowd yelling "awwww farrrrkkofff!!"
I could tell you a few words about Strycova as a person from my experience. Lost the point two ways and smashing racket in protest
And Murray with his british accent: "WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ÄBÖUT"?!
Should have been "YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!" Johnny Mac would have appeciated that.
@IAN G Are you british? 😂😂
Nico Polidis he's right. There's no such thing as a British accent. Murray is Scottish.
@Jimmy 83 Murray is British.
Jamie you fool
One of those moments when the argument is actually more interesting than the match itself
1. Excellent volleying by Bethanie, being hammered. The tight FH volley in particular very good indeed.
2. Shocking call by the linesman. Ball was eight inches out.
3. Shocking failure by the umpire to overrule and call 'out'.
3. Shocking failure by the umpire to award the challenge.
4. Shocking call by the umpire to allow hindrance based only on hearsay if he didn't hear the challenge.
5. Shocking whingeing by Strycova after losing the point twice.
I usually understand a lot of what the umpires decisions are, but this was insane. He called challenge, but that’s a hindrance? How else do you call for a challenge?!
2:28 Yupp, definitely related to Andy
I LOVE Bethanie, she is so quirky. Sometimes you need some uniquiness in the sport and she is definitely unique.
@@franqueworren7323 the way she dresses, the way she wears "eye black" under her eyes to fight the glare, her tattoos, her sometimes awesomely wild hairdos. You know, unique.
How is challenging a ball or a call a hinderence thats what i wanna know?
Nick Prehna in the middle of the point....
@@dropsht no as soon as a challenge is called it is the end of a point. The video review of the challenged play will then decide who gets the point. Thought tennis was straight forward lol, incompetent umpires.
Because as soon as a challenge is called by the player, the point immediately should stop.
If the opposing player stopped playing because he heard the opponent shout a challenge. In this case, none of them stopped.
I'm glad they booed Strycova. It was only the second game. No reason to get so worked up like that and act like a baby
I don't see the point of the chair umpire. It is either a challenge call (which was heard by the chair umpire), so the challenge is called immediately or there is no challenge call so the point is given to Mattek-Sands/Murray.
i cant even see or hear the hindrance
They're saying the challenge call itself was the hindrance. Stupid ump really
I will never understand why the commentators feel the need to talk over the on court discussion in a situation like this. We get that they have a job to do, and they're great at it, but we as fans really want to hear what's happening on court.
The rule in tennis when there is this level of confusion is to replay the point...unless the ball is out. It’s out !
Incorrect. The rule is not to replay due to lots of confusion. But correct that the ball was out.
Just that there is no confusion ar all !
@@qc1okay that seems like a pretty vague rule
Chair umpire should get a code violation for unsportsmanlike conduct. Maybe a fine of 15k will do.
Murray and Mattek-Sands should have won the point anyway
Barbora is mad because the chair gave them the point and the supervisor is overturning it.
This whole melodrama was the chair’s fault
The crowd having all the fun.😛
They lost the point two different ways and had the audacity to complain afterwards lol
strycovas smile at the end was very telling...
Who else saw it first time and was like "Why didn't the umpire just do the challenge?". It doesn't take an umpire with years of experience to realise what the right call was here and it took the supervisor two seconds to tell him that
Umpire logic: "The challenge was loud and clear enough to be a hinderance, but not loud and clear enough to be a challenge."
Wasn't the case though. Neither the umpire, nor Mattek-Sands heard it. Her and Murray claiming the point based on Mattek-Sand's winner and walking back to the baseline confirms it wasn't
@@dakeras2410 ?? at 0.46 one can clearly hear the umpire saying 'you ask for challenge'
@@dakeras2410 It doesn't matter. Either you accept the challenge by Murray and it that case if the ball is in, they lost the point because you consider they stop playing (even if Mattek-Sands didn't) and if the ball is out (which was the case) they won the point. Or you don't accept the challenge because nobody heard it and they still win the point because it was winning passing shot. Simple as that
@@RGollie03 The chair umpire states: "I've heard you ask for challenge". The other players brought the complaint to the chair umpire.
Can you please explain to me (If Murray clearly asked for a challenge), why Mattek-Sands continued playing on?
You have to ask yourself, why (if) the chair umpire thought Murray challenged, why didn't he award the challenge straight away? Why didn't Mattek-Sands also stop playing? Why didn't Murray in any way STOP playing?
The only obvious answer is that Murray didn't clearly challenge. I'd recommend you review the footage (without any sound) and tell me at which moment Murray stopped playing?
@@Nicotine46 According to 2019 ATP rules, In order to initiate a valid challenge, a player either needs to make a verbal request to challenge and STOP PLAYING or raise their hand/racket and STOP PLAYING. It is then up to the chair umpire to acknowledge their request for a challenge (e.g. have they used up their challenges, has Hawk-eye been enabled etc) and then initiate the challenge.
Shouting 'challenge/out/fault/' or any other verbal comment and continuing playing is considered hindrance and the player loses the point.
Seeing as the 'challenge' was invalid, Murray cannot retrospectively claim it. As he made a noise before the completion of the point, he also loses the point.
Who is that umpire? Strycova is a brat.
This was probably the highlight of the match
Good to see they take mixed doubles SO SERIOUSLY.
Murray and Mattek-Sands are 100 PERCENT CORRECT! There should be no confusion whatsoever. Plus, first time in tennis history where the crowd cheers for the supervisor.
"The chair umpire should have done the challenge five minutes ago" yup, there are terrible tennis umpires, that work every day!
VAR would solve this quickly bring in VAR lmao
Only if the umpire has to get down from his tower-seat thingy and run to farthest point on the court to view the replay on the smallest and least resolution screen technologically available for the time...
Total incompetence on the part of the chair!
You can't have it both ways!? He clearly heard the challenge but chose not to execute. Then, after the team who lost the point (for a second time mind you) realized he hadn't executed the challenge, decided to try & win the point via other means by calling the challenge call a hinderance?
AND THE CHAIR AGREES!!!
What in the actual f@*k man!
Then Stryzcova has a hissy fit after confirming they lost the point PRIOR TO the allegation of a hinderance!? Gtfo yourself!
Reminds me of my old Indoor Cricket days.
The team that cheated the best, wins... lol.
This umpire should be banned...
It’s so simple you hear a challenge you just stop it and challenge the call..how is that an hindrance 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
she hit the ball out and there was challenge . END of
Thanks for not turning the comments section off.
Why didn't the linesman call out? That looked well wide.
I think maybe because Bethanie just happened to be in the way when the ball bounced.
Nectere S but any good linesman would have been able to tell it was out
Nectere S Mattek couldn’t have hit that winner if she was in the way of the linesman’s sight.
CHOPSZOOKER I think we agree there was a lot of stupidity in calling the lines & umpiring in this sequence.
I’ve never even watched a tennis game before and I can already tell you I can’t stand the girl that whined like a baby even though her shot was out. Like what are you arguing?!
Why was she arguing even though she would’ve won the point whether it was in or out?
vElecktrixz because, as you see on the scoreboard, the point was being taken from her
I love Marcelo Melo's energy
Strykova: another tennis player with no character.
2:28 Jamie sounds like his little brother 😅
what was the challenge for again?
2nd last hit, where it went to mattek sands on the very left and it looked out
Zachary Stone ahh right, thanks!
Zachary Stone and actually, the challenge is called AFTER the 2nd last ball hit the ground, which is almost the same time Mattek hit it last. So the umpire’s excuse that Murray did not stop playing when he called the challenge (thereby making it a hindrance) is, at best, flimsy. How on earth could he stupidly complicate that call!
Also, Murray/Mattek-Sands should only have lost the point if any hindrance had been a deliberate act. If Murray had called for a challenge, and if the umpire hadn't heard him, then at worst it should have been ruled an accidental hindrance and the point should have been replayed.
Ok, this took me a while but I think I finally figured it out: Epstein didn’t kill himself
That made no sense. I saw it was clearly out, and she still hit the ball back, and made the point.
So, either way, it should have been their point. For the other girl to throw a fit, after the challenge shows she hit the ball out anyway, is just ridiculous.
These players need to learn that Reputation can be much more important than one point.
I agree. We need her to be nominated for the Jeff Tarango On-Court Conduct Award...
I believe that only ppl with knowledge of the ATP rules should make technical commentary here as the letter of the law allows any player on the court to use any available challenge entitled to them up to the commencement of the next rally. Clearly Murray's challenge was justified.
ATP rules are freely available via the 2019-atp-rulebook_19dec.pdf which can be downloaded from the ATP website and no, it does not make any statement to support your claim whatsoever. I don't know why you state only people with knowledge of ATP rules should make a technical commentary and then proceed to make an erroneous comment yourself :)
Section L. Electronic Review
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2) In doubles the appealing player must make his appeal in such a way that either
play stops or the Chair Umpire stops play. If an appeal is made to the Chair Umpire
then he must first determine that the correct appeal procedure was followed.
If it was not correct or if it was late, then the Chair Umpire may determine that the
opposing team was deliberately hindered, in which case the appealing team loses
the point.
6) In order to challenge, a player must show an immediate interest in making a
challenge and must do it in a timely manner. The key to the policy is “immediate
interest”. The player must also make his/her intention to challenge known to the
Chair Umpire either verbally or visually using his racquet or finger. The Chair
Umpire will (a) reconfirm with the player his intent to challenge; (b) confirm that
the player has challenges remaining; and (c) proceed with the electronic review.
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As you can see from section 2, neither was Murray's "appeal" one which caused play to stop, nor did the chair umpire stop play as a result of this, nor was it done with "immediate interest". Instead, Murray and Mattek-Sands continued to celebrate the point walking back to the baseline, thus a challenge cannot be awarded according to ATP rules. The rules are quite clear cut.
As Murray also admitted to making a verbal comment during the point after his opponents raised this with the umpire, it automatically qualifies as hindrance and they lose the point.
@@dakeras2410 so u saying to me that Murray improperly requested a challenge when it is outside of his power to stop play? When he made the verbal statement to challenge he was not the next player to contact the ball, nor does he have the authority to halt play. His partner nor he was advised to stop play as the chair umpire did not gesture or signal the stop of play. His verbal assertion was immediate, but the chair umpires response was not. The line of site for the Lines person was hindered, so the definitive call could not be made.
Granted, this is a grey area in present system in that the two challenges alloted put undue requirements on the players, who's immediate responsibility is to play the game.
Thank you for your comments though.
@@dakeras2410 I would ask you or the ATP to determine "what is 'Immediate' or what is 'timely'" in a very fast paced rally? If your appeal is not recognized audibly or visually by the chair umpire, do you risk losing the point by not continuing play?
"Erroneous" is a subjective interpretation, but I do appreciate your candor.
@@devonpaul203 Murray had full authority as the challenging player to stop play by loudly and clearly stating his intention to challenge, regardless of what Mattek-Sands did with that reactionary shot.
Had he done so, clearly, the umpire would have had no choice but to stop play and award the challenge straight away.
Why do you think Mattek-Sands didn't react to his 'challenge'. Do you think she is hearing impaired, a cheat, or perhaps she didn't hear him ?
@@dakeras2410 Are you hearing impaired? Murray says challenge after she hits the ball so she doesn’t continue playing after he calls challenge because the ball isn’t hit back to her.
There's no whistle in tennis, but the umpire should indicate that the play has stopped as soon as a challenge is called. This is ludicrous.
I’m just happy Serena wasn’t involved in this one. Thank goodness 😅
This happens in every game. Ball is hit out, the player hits the ball, after 1 second they call challenge. The ref was being needlessly hard headed
Unfortunately there are so many BAD UMPIRES even in the professional tour
Plot twist. The ball was actually in and they played a virtual ball from a different game to save save 😬😂
This is the tennis version of “I want to speak to your manager.” Wastes everyone’s time because it couldn’t be settled on the spot.
Shreyas Ragit It’s probably from the original cartoon series in the 1980s. The character is Galvatron.
Strycova can always surprise you when you just think that she is too painful to watch..... And the umpire is a real hindrance for this match.
Lovely Scottish accent
The hindrance(Mattek-Sands hitting racquet to ground) happened before the ball gone out, so either replay the point or give the point to the team who didn’t do hindrance.
Seriously... what are you talking about?
How did this fool become a
Tennis Umpire ??
look at Dake, he did too.
I bet the umpire knew he was wrong but his ego wouldn’t allow him to back down. At least the supervisor actually did something about the situation😊
Who said tennis isn't entertaining haha. I thought there was going to be a biff for a minute there haha
Indeed. The situation looked more like it needed a social worker than a supervisor...
They won the point twice. The ball was already struck on it's way for a winner when he even muttered challenge. So them trying to claim a distraction is bologna. And then for there to be any argument about not being able to get the challenge makes absolutely no sense. Terrible umpiring.
She's such a drama Queen haha great to watch.
So how did the game end?
simple challenge! Terminate the incompetent umpire.
...WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE!!! lol... if only, sometimes...
For Strycova to argue that call is crazy.... And that ump...for him to not challenge is unreal.
I swear the ego that some umpires have is bigger than my love for Federer.
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The only reason why strycova frustrated by supervisor's decision is the fact that she knew the ball was out so the hawkeye will overrule the point. Then, it means that strycova tried to steal a point from her opponents lol
As a tennis player/coach myself, I don't see any hindrance. They are just sore to lose the point.
Who lost the point?
if Murray called something,he should lost the point.i but cant hear it.
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@@bklynfinesse8709 Mello,Strysova lost the point,becaurce Murray called challenge during the point.
@@bklynfinesse8709 strycova/melo? her shot was out anyway.
What was the linesman doing? It was out by miles. Maybe unsighted.
If you look at the play, it’s not possible the linesman could have been unsighted (unless he was asleep). You’re right, if he called the line promptly and accurately, there could have been no need for a challenge actually.