Titanium Gun Barrel?!?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ย. 2024
- Jonny and Jim thought the concept of titanium barrels were pretty awesome - so Jim at Longthorne decided to make a set
Watch and see how it went!
Enjoy
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Well if i could afford a longthorne they would get my business.. i love companies like them. Approachable, down to earth and not afraid to try and fail. Bravo longthorne
Agreed.
It's only a failure if you learn nothing from the experience.
How awesome is it to buy a gun that is this great from a bloke that nice… it is my dream..
Hats off to the machinist that drill 32+ inches through titanium!
He must be really boring
Twice! And absolutely straight and flawless at that.
@@DigitalArtisan77 damnitiwasgoingtosaythat
@@tylervanorman492 haha the oldies are the best
It's called CNC lol no manual machining on this
Jim you’re a visionary and a star, you and all of your staff are a credit to English gun making and long may it continue.
For whatever this comment is worth, I would like you to know that your videos have been instrumental in pushing me into trying shotgun shooting. I've always had land that I could indiscriminately shoot on (within the law) but I just assumed the social aspect was full of posh old twits with more money than sense. However, your videos have exposed a different aspect which is often not portrayed. Not to mention the production quality is better than some of the more established outfits with presumably much higher budgets.
Amen to all that!
Agreed Stuart, I have an old Webley and Scott hammer project I'm working on in 2022 and I want to get to it asap thanks to content like this.
Get into it Stuart. I started out in a clay club in Derbyshire where the other members were lorry drivers, nurses, teachers, farmers, gardeners and factory workers. Who cares? Then I got invited to game shoots and rough shoots. Get going.
Expensive hobby. Especially right now in the Democratic Dictatorship US.
My boss took it up… but as he says it took him up lol its all he does now travels meets ppl loves it…
I have worked titanium for decades as a forged product, and a as a machined product. I have seen un heat treated stock shatter like glass. but once properly heat treated and annealed be hard and flexible. Good Job!!
As someone who's has worked alongside excellent tool makers and machinists I thought the first video was superb but this is unbelievable level of work
I'm sure that's and amazing gun. Titanium can be a beast to machine, I own a machine shop that makes gun accessories and we use a lot of it, but the end result is worth it! I'm sure drilling 32" was no joke! However, once you figure out the feeds and speeds and get the correct tooling, it's like anything else, it just takes a bit longer.
Huh
I wish Longthorne every success, and i hope they have patented this gun in several ways because this is is the future of gunmaking. Titanium was originally developed for the Space and Aviation industry and is known to be stronger and tougher than steel, or most steel alloys, much lighter (less dense) than steel and has a high degree of corrosion resistance. You and i may consider it totally rust free.
This really is a step forward in gunmaking.
Flodman (swedish shotgun maker) has been making titanium barrels for shotguns for several decades.
@@Petterstrojka Stainless steel barrels are made by Flodmen, not Titianium.
@@39jennydog nope, you can get them in titanium. Back in 2013 I think it was, a o/u with stainless action and titanium barrels would set you back something like 230k swedish.
It's no revolution. Titanium would be common in gunmaking if it were as cheap as steel, but it cannot be by nature. 30x the cost for the same, or marginal performance gain is simply isn't worth it
Just a slight addendum. Titanium is tougher than most alloy steels, but not that many. But none are lighter and tougher than titanium, it's strenght/weight is unbeatable by steel.
But titanium is considerably weaker to fatigue, so cracking and fissures due to high work frequency is common if you dont change the part
I’ve always wondered what a titanium barreled gun would be like ! Thank you for another great video ! You’re officially my favorite channel on TH-cam! Hats off to you and Longthorne !!
A beautifully made gun as you would expect from Longthorne. I wish you all the best for the future a superb British company!
Great video. As our weapon trainer during the hunting course was alsways saying "If you can imagine a gunversion to be build, somebody would have built it or is building it in the next years." Looks like you had fun with this speacial gun.
@4:53 you can see the London proof house orders their equipment from Brownells. Good god I love Brownells, and I’m glad I’m not the only one.
Flodman (Swedish shotgun manufacturer) made shotgun barrels in titanium perhaps 20 years ago. Costly but very nice. If i'm right Fabbri also made guns with titanium barrels. Longthors are making som very intresting shotguns. I wonder when the three London makers will come up with something similar. if I am going to buy a shotgun from England it will be a Longthorne.
Flodman är nice
Great video, as an engineer I really appreciate everything that's gone into making that actually happen. It's just a pity that I can't afford to own one. Keep your amazing videos coming Jonny.
You need that guy in more more of your videos, you two make an enjoyable double act! I loved that video but it made me sad to know I'll never get to shoot a gun that awesome .
Well, to arrive at such a lightweight barrel set you'd normally need to go short, and combined with the steel monoblock, you're bringing that weight into the middle of the gun, resulting in a low value for your polar moment of inertia, and a whippy gun.
This way, although it's lightweight, the mass is spread out, and you've got a polar moment of inertia which is relatively high for the gun weight.
Like a wire walker carrying a long balance pole or lengthening a pendulum.
Imagine if you could completely eliminate the second barrel by having a receiver that reloads itself instead of relying on 2 chambers?
This channel is by far the most underrated gun channel on TH-cam.
Titanium is just such an amazing material once you finally get it into its useful form.
Great job Longthorne team. So impressive, I am blown away. It is such a beauty as well. I bet you have begun a new trend in barrel technology. I think all of Johnny's videos are great and his team are putting together top rate videos for us to marvel at. I always look forward to the next video, more than any others on youtube. Great work guys, keep it coming, I am hooked.
OH HELL YA IS RIGHT, WHAT A BEAUTIFUL, EXTRAORDINARY SHOTGUN. I loved how he gave CREDIT TOO HIS WORKERS & PEOPLE WHO MADE THIS POSSIBLE, NOT LIKE IT WAS JUST HIM. These videos are getting GREATER & GREATER. THANK YOU, TGS.
DITTO, when the boss tears up over his crew's work, you know they are all special.
@@nickabbott6278 YES SIR, Not many people in the world like that any more. PRIDE IN THE WORK THEY DO.
@@NoWr2Run Shame how too many organisations are under too much stress these days to allow teams to take pride in their collective work. (And Millennial's who know more on their first day than the guys who have been doing it for years.) (People it's not about you, just listen, we may admit we are wrong).
@@nickabbott6278 AGREED & I can comment on what you just typed for hours. AMERICA HAS TURNED INTO KRAZY LAND & PEOPLE BETTER DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT OR WE ARE DOOMED.
@@NoWr2Run Not intending to be rude, please do not focus on America, assuming you mean USA, not including Canada and Mexico. Please, please, please, do not take offense, the world is not USA. We look at you and wonder why you don't see us.
The Millennial effect is WORLDWIDE.
I feel the way forward is only through DEMOCRACY.
Here we have the AEC, oversees EVERY election, all cross the country state and federal. All under the same rules, thus we have faith that our vote counts.
Something about the way you both handle a gun when shooting was very nice to watch. I also found it very impressive in the reactions it gave you and not one word on recoil.
Wow, cannot say enough kudos to you and the whole team that put this time and effort into making this happen. Crazy cool idea, always wondered what it would be like to shoot from a titanium barrel and you all have gone and done it--then shared it with us! Now if only I could experience shooting from a titanium barreled gun...I'd get a 16 gauge ready to go with it in no time.
Longthorne, succeeding at what the global gun making community would be too frightened to try! 🏴 absolutely outstanding
When gun masters of Ferlach invented a modern and light shotgun barrel they also calculated the best weight for taming the recoil and it was at least 100x the weight of the shot charge they would fire. That's what my late grandpa has thought me and I never know him of being wrong when it comes to guns. That being said, I don't doubt that he would thoroughly enjoyed testing every aspect of this feat of modern engineering. Congratulations sir! For this wonderful fusion of old and new.
Watching you smash clay with a self made titanium bore 12 gauge. And yesterday I snapped the head of a front swivel ring bolt on my model 336. Never spent 40$ on one tiny bolt. And I nearly cried. I even had a perfect fitting flathead. Good show gents.
Fantastic video. I loved the ringing after the shot was taken. Longthorne should be proud. Thanks for the great presentation.
Well done gentlemen.
That is definitely a milestone in the history of gunsmithing.
You're a visionary, James - Well Done.
James, thank you so much for last Sunday. There were several people who tried that gun, who otherwise would never be able to afford one. All were amazed about the fantastic handling. Picked it up, shot 4 pairs and gave it back. Cannot do that with my own gun🤣🤣
I have a titanium revolver for IPSC and it’s absolutely amazing and incredibly quick. I’m in Canada so we have a 10 cartridge limit and I give up 2rds, (it’s an 8 shot) and it’s on par with 10rd pistols. It takes about the same time to reload as well, but after 24 or so rounds I do start to fall behind. But it comes into its own when there are 30-50yrd targets or I need power to activate spinners or knock down targets. (It’s a .357 magnum and to make power factor I shoot .38+P but in 3 gun I toss 600fps 158’s).
Well done Jimmy, I had total faith in u but I'll be honest as an engineer I'm glad I wasn't machining it! Wish I could afford for u to make me one!
The Engineering is awesome. The colour of those silver barrels is awesome. Well done longthorne. And do not forget to record all costs on your tax r&d register.
No it isn't, "we'll just make one out of titanium and test wether it blows up or not" is not engineering. Engineering is doing the computations beforehand...
@@laurean5998 Boiler Makers who had to judge pressures like these gun proofing guys and stone masons who built 1000 year arches in Cathedrals didn't have the luxury of the information required to meet your standards of pre engineering, and they were brilliant engineers
@@laurean5998 milling, turning the components and using engineering equipment to a high precision is engineering too. I suspect like any engineering company there will be more retained as their knowledge and calculations not shared on youtube.
Just two words Jonny and Jim, just two words 'Bloody Awesome' 😎😎
The Armalite AR17 auto loading, 2 shot capacity shotgun, was made almost entirely of Aluminum, including a hardened aluminum barrel.
High end steel shot is the problem . Not regular lead. Why? Probably because steel shot doesnt deform as easily like lead does but franky i do not know. Steel proofing is the ultimate test of a shotgun
So sitting outside at Churchill’s and I see Johnny was thinking I wonder what they would be filming and this explains it. What an awesome concept. The ring of the barrels sounds cool
Great workmanship , it will be interesting to watch the thermal anodising as more rounds are put through it. It could be use as a warranty gauge as to how hot it gets/ age. Nice gun club too
Had a go of this today at Manchester. Watched your video a few days back and then got to have a go today, I can’t believe how light it was, shoots superbly and the barrels don’t even really get hot, we put loads of cartridges through it and it wasn’t as hot as my browning gets after 10. Apparently a .410 titanium is in the works 👀
A 410 one of these is a wild concept!
@@tgsoutdoors it really is a mad concept. They’re such a great company. Think I need a Longthorne in my life now Johnny 😂. I still can’t get over the weight, also mad how it ‘rings’ differently with different types of cartridge. We put sporting 100’s, white gold and Olympic blues through it and the tone was so different with each one, like a tuning fork.
Mr Carter and team, I've enjoyed the evolution of your videos, from the informative but flat videos in your past to today. But this year you've gone up massively with production value, from the soundtrack (please start referencing your music choices?!) to the pure quality. I think there are a couple of exemplary vloggers, you are number one in the shooting field with Lloyd coming a close second. From your interviews to clay shoots to reviews, they are getting movie-esque!
I loved this, is this why you're never in your shop?! ;) I hope one day I get a chance to shoot a stand next to you and have a few minutes of general crap-talking. Whatever you're getting in revenue streams isn't enough, and in that I also have to say THANKYOU for not marking your content to have a tonne of adverts in.
JC, I admire your hard work and you deserve all your good fortunes. To you (and your team and co-stars), I salute you. Also, partly "annoyed" that I'm now looking at CFGs.... yes I will use TGS10 for 10% off to give you some pennies in referral! :D
Congratulations!! Amazing achievement - Titanium is the metal from the gods. Very nice barrel.
The ringing sound reminds of my old SLR in army days a long time ago...it was a particular pitch and this gun sounds the same. Congratulations Longthorne...it's a beautifully crafted gun.
Reminds me of the day I returned a gun to the armory only to be asked "how did you get this? This is Staff's competition gun!".
I’ve never shot like that but I’ve always wanted to try. I would love to use that gun or a similar designed in titanium. I work for a 3D printing company and we print in titanium. Awesome material and has so many different properties that have to be taken into. Machining tiny holes in titanium, or even just tapping it can be a serious pain when your talkin about OT80 and smaller. Love the work on that gun though. So we’ll crafted and balanced.
Excellent! I built a rifle action using titanium years ago and can confirm it is challenging to machine. Drilling the bores would have been epic.
I absolutely love the ringing sound I can hear whenever you shoot that thing.
i love this, i always wondered with new technology if titanium barrels could be done. my next question is can it rifled? another means of barrel i'd like to see someone try is carbon fiber. it would need a inner liner of metal to accommodate rifling and shot wear but i feel like the carbon fiber shell from there would contain the pressures and keep the inner metal from splitting
I absolutely love this, true British engineering at its best. Another great THS film. Well done Jim and the team.
Congratulations Lonthorne, you made history. And thanks John for bringing this gun to our attention.
Fantastic and a very interesting video, well done to everyone involved 👏👏
Wow? and makes me proud to come from Northampton. Along with what Longthorne have achieved. It's not all about mass production, craftmanship and love are still important. In this world of Robotics, long may they continue to shine.
I love hearing it "sing." That's amazing!
Jonny thank you for another great video, Jim you are a legend in the gun making world. Best wishes
I've owned a Titanium road bike for 22 years, when I bought it all my roadie friends said nothing will ever replace steel framed bikes.
I still have my 22yr old seven titanium still riding it ,i also hunt
@@romanomorelli2831 mine is a Litespeed built in Tennessee, I'm also an avid upland and waterfowl hunter.
What an amazing display of British engineering and manufacturing. Well done to everyone at Longthorne. Any clues as to wether this will ever be an option for the public buyer?
Great film. Possibly your best yet. Congratulations all round.
I used to work for a company that manufactures cooking water boilers made out of titanium. The stuff is crazily hard to work with and the cie almost went bankrupt on it. But once we got it, great product and successful in the market. Hopefully the same will happen for this gun. Thnx.
Unusual rehearsals are beautiful. Well done !
Am I the only one imagining timascus style barrels? Even just normal anodisation would be sick!
One day, I will own a longthorne, TGS have really sold me on them British guns built by people who love them. Also one day I'll have to ask Johnny how he shoots with his hands all the way off the end of the fore end. As a skeet shooter, I'm way back o the fore end and it looks so uncomfortable to do. But I'm only 6 foot and not a giant like him, so.... theres that! Keep making these videos - one I would love you to do is on the Marc Newsom Beretta 468 - that thing is a work of beauty!
First shotgun made with titanium was made in Sweden by a guy called Rune Flodman in Sweden (As far as i have found). The gun is a beauty and i have held it in my hands. they drilled it by hand in the 70´s!!!
I have seen one. I would love to own one one day
That's fantastic. I believe this to be the future of gunmaking.
I shot this gun 3 weeks ago. Absolutely loved it and shot 100%! Saving up now 😅
Wonderful material as long as someone else is machining it. :-) Flodman has been offering titanium barrels for many years. The first time I had the privilege of holding in Flodman with titanium barrels was in 2009 if I remember correctly. Unfortunately, they are a little too expensive for my finances ...
Interesting concept.The Kemen titanium action guns have similar shooting characteristics and carry a hefty price tag.
Also Flodman. Back in 2011 a titanium barreled Flodman shotgun was about 230k swedish.
Great video on testing however I was thinking cost as well...by the way English craftmanship will never die now that Beretta own H&H
Appreciate their engineering and being from uk am happy to see them hopfully thrive, their barrel tech is a niche sales marketing point at that end of the market
These guys are fantastic craftsman and funny on camera as well
I love the Browning Citori like art; My compliments!!
I love seeing gun companies pushing the boundaries of what's possible, especially with material choices since many design choices are mostly worked out and we know what works. The next step is working on the making and processing of the new material and playing with it's unique properties like anodizing for aesthetic effect. It would or could look amazing with the right kind of heat or chemical anodizing on the barrels. Just an idea for the Lamborghiniesque nature of the gun haha
Jim just goes on & on , he is a revelation in the modern gun trade & no one can keep up with him
Thought provoking, a childlike purity and that fits into the ever evolving definition of Longthorne, the 'what if..' factor.
What an astonishing project and what a stunning result !
Not doing the Instathingy or being a Channel member I am not privy to the whole Longthorne association arc so not clear on your depth of involvement in this project.... but thank you for bringing us along on the journey.
TGS is now officially the best Channel on TH-cam 😁
So, when do you take up the post of Marketing Director at Longthorne ? 😆
Oh she is a beauty of a gun. That is one very elegant horse 👍
Pioneering! Looks utterly stunning btw. How many folk have asked for new barrels?
Superb 😎 what a gun and Jonny , I know we leg pull , but your shooting is getting way better.
About 35-40 years ago a pistol magazine (American Handgunner?) had a contest or raffle that gave away titanium pistols. Plated or coated probably.
Awesome Fantastic. Well done to you guys. SPECTACULAR........ WOW! WOW! WOW!. STUPENDOUS .
That stunning !
This company is going somewhere as it making changes in the market, and there living the big boys behide as well
Yes it not hand made but it still made in England at a price we can afford 👍
Fantastic video TGS !!
Congratulations 🎉 amazing breakthrough 👏🏻👏🏻
What a delight to watch someone have their outrageous ideas totally vindicated
Suggestion if the rib is a problem try glass beading it on top. As for tooling we have done a lot of titanium couplings for navel use and the tooling companies have a good handle on titanium but its a different beast to steel drill bigger to tap it like stainless but hit the tooling reps up someone with naval or aerospace experience .
What a great company, very well done , wish I could afford one
Love it -- the man with the titanium gun... What's next composite barrels -- lol.
That machining process must be costly, so I wonder how much that would add to the price?
It is interesting why Ti tubes aren't common. Have those tubes been long-term tested? Few thousand rounds maybe?
Gold titanium with a little hot rod red added. 😉
Yep people make composite barrels with steel liners.
It would be interesting to get your opinion on one of the old AR 17 shotguns. They're a two round semi-auto that is made entirely from aluminum, including the barrel.
Love the ring that barrel makes when shot!
The two best things I’ve watched in the past 12 months are this longthorne video and the langstone wildfowler. When I say best I mean across all content providers. Expertly put together, unbelievably interesting and just so watchable! Is there any truth to the rumours that Jonny is doing strictly next year?
Great to see British engineering and manufacturing continuing to push the boundaries within the firearms industry. We do make the best guns in the world.
"We" ? Given how most of the luxury shotgun are made by Frenchmen ...
@@Vaasref Perhaps you're not familiar with the world's most prestigious makers?
@@AJSpinDrift Well, my gunsmithing professor at Liege gunsmithing school worked at H&H before going back to teach at the same school he learned at.
And he is a Frenchman, of course. His account of the prestigious makers was how pretty much all of the new blood was French and schooled at Liege.
Stunning. Don't need to use any more words!
Those barrels are RINGING!!! That's pretty cool!!!
What an epicly cool thing. I wish I knew more about its production.
Fantastic! He who dares wins. I love lightweight guns.
Wow!!! To watch a dream come to life, amazing!! Love that ring!! Oh Hell Ya!!
Try it when you are over?
@@tgsoutdoors yes please!!! Something tells me if a shoot any of their guns I’ll have to bring my check book!!
@@tgsoutdoors oh also have a great shoot tomorrow!! Wish I could have made it this year😢
If I live in England, I would have one made for me
Looks awesome
Just love people who think outside the box....continued success
Sweet sound after every shot
Very nice piece. Thx for sharing. Ti is very unique material. Use it in aerospace apps. My dive/sailing knife is a 15 year old Ti blade. Not the sharpest edge and yet survives prying opihi of lava rocks. My 20000 round Sig 210 A barrel from 1953 looks like new. I hope you get the same quality from your barrels.
I heard that Jonny Carter is able to shoot HP Steel through this new Longthorne. Although steel shot doesn’t conform… it conforms to Jonny Carter
I wonder what a Titanium barrel with an Inconel action would be like, Inconel is a very high grade steel alloy and its got the properties of Stainless Steel (doesn't corrode or pit easily) and behaves like Titanium alloys (in terms of retaining its tensile strength and shape when heated). It enables less material to to be used compared to most Steel alloys, at the cost of expense and being harder to wok with.
How has the titanium coloured up with use? From using titanium in motorcycle exhaust systems the colour changes can look fantastic, so after throwing plenty of rounds through has the material coloured up?
That barrel ring will affect your hearing much more than the shot itself. A dedicated set of hearing pro might be needed to block that High frequency sound. You get the same sound from an anvil and a howitzer.
"That 28 bore was heavier". Just caught that! Seriously cool video.
There are a few titanium recievers out there includind bolt rifles , great on foing the barrel tubes
You really did it Jonny! amazing .. just the Carbon Schaft is next 😍