My take on this: The real villain in the story is the ichorite system itself. What is revealed by the end is that this so-called immortality technology simply doesn't work reliably over the long term. Over time and multiple transfers, gaps start to develop in the memory and identity recorded in ichorite, like image fidelity gradually being lost when making a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy. Some people, like James' wife Rachel, simply become irreparably psychologically damaged, and unable to feel anything. Others, like Green, Kovalev, and eventually James himself, develop an alter-ego that grows out of these gaps in their psyche and memory. This warped alternate personality seems to invariably recognize the ichorite system as something inherently "wrong," leading them to hate immortals and immortality itself. Because of their age and their constant hedonistic body-hopping in Green's secret club, the oldest and most influential ichorite immortals were among the most insane and damaged, so much so that they eventually developed very complex alter-egos that collaberated with each other to form a master plan to bring down the ichorite system, without the knowledge of their original personas. I think many peoples' alter egos were potentially part of this ouroborous conspiracy, perhaps even James' own alter ego (the Stranger) by the end. For example, the President publicly promising to veto the proposed bill lowering the age when you have to start paying to keep your own body, and then suddenly reversing himself at the last minute, predictably causing outrage and mass civil unrest that played right into the conspiracy's hands. Another example is the Chief of Police, who places James under arrest in the park only to suddenly change his mind and shoot him, despite their long history together. I suspect both were overridden by their alter-egos. Because the ichorite system is so inherently flawed, you could almost see the alter-egos of the ouroborous society as the "good guys", except that they're cruel and spiteful, and their motivation seems to be pure hatred rather than any real sense of justice. They really don't care how many innocent people they hurt or kill to bring down the system. This is exemplified by how, at the end, the Stranger tries to get James to murder a pregnant woman (and Sara's body) by making James believe that he's possessed her through her ichorite. In the endings where James does shoot Dr. Salma, the Stranger wins even though he and James die -- it was always the plan of the alter egos to destroy even themselves, as seen with Green taking the ichorite poison and killing himself, or Kovalev blowing himself up after killing all those people at his night club. In the good ending, James finally solves the mystery, and realizes what the Stranger really is. He suppresses his alter ego long enough to unload and discard his gun, and then to connect Dr. Salma with Sara by giving her the earpiece, before taking the ichorite poison and jumping off the buiilding, in order to destroy the Stranger once and for all. The chains of ichorite he saw in his dream preventing him from reaching Rachel across the water are thus revealed to be James' own ichorite tying him to a body not his own, and preventing him from joining his wife in the true immortality of the afterlife. After he takes the poison that causes his ichorite to dissolve, James' chains are finally gone, and as he reaches the other side, we see the wounds on his wrists caused by the ichorite chains -- wounds which I believe represent The Stranger -- fade away.
The Rachel in the good ending looks different from the ones in James’ hallucinations. I think that they’re finally back to their original “shells” once James has reached the afterlife.
I love how this game fucks with the players sense of right and wrong. Usually you know which decisions are good or bad and you get a pretty good idea if you‘ve done a good job by the end. But like the Stranger inside James‘ head, you get tricked into thinking you‘re doing the right thing, when you‘re actually insane.
I watched someone else play this game and they got the bad ending which made me really confused, now that I’ve seen the true ending things finally made sense Spoilers: there is no murderer, the murderer’s voice was all the detective’s hallucination. I was wondering how the hell this rando terrorist was able to do all that shit like possess people and talk to them telepathically but turns out that was all a red herring. the “true” culprit was Green and Kosalov who went crazy, killed people and then committed suicide. when Salma was shooting back she legit thought the detective was some crazy rioter and was trying to defend herself
@@manugames92 the ending where he just shoots Salma I consider bad endings because the mystery is never solved (also the ones where he gets taken away by the ichorite away from Rachel), the one where he realizes the truth and later flies away together with Rachel I consider the true ending since everything is explained
@@shadow7179 The developers can say that the bad ending is canon like in Metro Last Light, "true endings" are those that are open to sequels, here the good ending is a closure.
@@manugames92 The true ending is the one that resolves the most plot threads. And in this case, that's the good ending until the devs canonize a different one.
Honestly that last ending was the only one that came close to an ending ... all the other ones were just kinda shit - you get shot a bunch and then shoot her in the back , just to get put in the Ick bank - you go get shot again but she gets away and still end up dying - youre able to talk to her after she fights the murderer and then shoot her but just end up gettin shot and dyin The last one just makes more sense , sacraficing your life for a friend and finally having peace
I would have liked an "ironic" ending where we refuse to kill the rich people (no killing in the Icarus and letting the door of the vault open at Green's house .and maybe burn the files in Green's house) And those rich guys discover that you "saved" them and pay a new shell for you. Still empty inside but alive, with the shame of having been saved by those horrible people.
@@harlankovacs6276 Then James wouldn't merely be dead inside. He'd be suffering from an ever-worsening psychosis that would degrade to a point where he'd be completely unable to distinguish between reality and hallucination.
@@lahnaman9240 It didn't make sense for the psychosis to affect all 3 of them in the same way though, they were all driven to destroy the system which 2 of them basically created. It feels like the ending is still left pretty open and we're just given an story for what happened.
Damn that last ending actually choked me up a bit, it was the perfect bitter sweet ending. Really happy that Sara and James basically get what they've been wanting throughout the whole game.
I was expecting a story similiar to Se7en where you hunt down a killer and piece together evidence... motivations, hell I was expecting Sara to be the killer halfway through the game. It felt really anticlimatic that it was all just voices in peoples heads. It's still a pretty cool game, though
Now that I think about it they were only 2 possible outcomes from the start, James either dies but his ichorite survives or he truly dies and can reunite with his wife, there never was a happy ending because in this world happiness was taken centuries ago and the only way to bring it back was exactly what the voice wanted
I know this game is pretty short and leaves a lot of unanswered questions, but i think it acts as proof of concept for the studio. For one thing, ideally, it will make money or help them get sponsors/partners for the next game they make. This game is incredibly polished for an indie debut. It also acts as a teaser for longer form games set in the same universe, since there is enough world-building to gauge audience interest in their universe. I understand that this style of game is not for everyone. As a point-and-click puzzler of this length and style, i think it has a lot of strengths. But i also think this style is more manageable for a small studio, and it may just be a way to prove their competency. I think I'll buy the game at some point just to support the developers, and hopefully in the future we can see bigger, more ambitious projects by them!
The whole game world and design would be an excellent transplant for Cyberpunk 2077. I would've preferred to fly around in an an open Noir styled world 💯
The sheer amount of levels the city would have would make randomized generation basically mandatory, and even then it would be a 200ish gb large videogame. Maybe in three or four generations.
@@settenovetre You're assuming every single apartment, etc, being accessible. That's not how Cyberpunk did it, nor this game. It's the same with GTA IV, GTA V, etc. POIs in each building. It's not as complex as you're making it out to be. And the size is all about textures and assets being reused, and the compression. *This game was only 26.5 GB installed.* I'd say this could easily be done in 100GB or less. It would all depend on the level of complexity, scale, the textures and assets recycled, and streaming compression.
@@LukeHimself I'm not talking with every apartment being accessible, I'm talking 200ish gigabytes with serviceable exteriors alone including car traffic, pedestrians where needed, etc. It would have to render hundreds of almost impossibly high buildings with traffic lanes at different levels, the amount of stuff to generate is massive with exteriors alone. Other games already did this, think Beam Breakers (played the demo) but Beam Breakers was twenty years ago on a way smaller scale.
@@settenovetre What takes up almost the entirety of the size of a game's install is the textures.. This is why I specifically mentioned recycling of textures.. A massive building makes zero difference in texture storage, because it recycles most of the textures used from bottom to top, and other buildings will share some, if not most, of the textures. Beam Breakers (2002) was 350MB, "Cloudpunk" (2019) made a massive open world game that did everything Beam Breakers did plus much more, on foot travel, free roam, etc. *_It's 7 GB because of it's art style._* It's not about the scale, it's about the assets.. *_Textures_* Example: There could be three different interior furniture sets used across the whole game, which means if the game world is 20 square meters with 3 buildings or 20,000 square meters with 3,000 buildings, it wouldn't change the storage size... as far as assets. The game code compresses VERY WELL, and is decompressed on the fly. Textures are poorly compressed, no matter what you do. *This is why big modern games like Deep Rock Galactic are only like 3 GB in total, installed.. Game package size is all down to the high detail textures, and how many unique textures are used.*
@@LukeHimself You make good points about texture size but the game's sheer scale would probably need it to be an AAA or something, and this is the studio's first work so the experience is just not there. Besides, recycling textures to excessive extents would result in repetitive slop that would look and feel nothing like what we see here. Cloudpunk is also a problematic example being its art style voxel-ish based, whilst I figure that an open world based on this IP would keep the visual realism. I recall Observer, good game from a newbie studio but nothing else was made of it except a slight remaster. I wish I could share your enthusiasm and optimism.
So I guess the devs probably want you to get the Stranger endings on the first playthrough, as all the initial evidence points to him being the killer, meaning most first time players are likely gonna get it. But the Stranger whispers to you even after you killed Salma (which _should?_ also be the Stranger), which suggests you got it wrong. However, when replaying, they probably want you to pick different choices, which leads to re-interpretating the events as James' psychosis acting up, not the Stranger's revolutionary plot, and is the only way to achieve a satifying ending for James, by actually dying. I don't know how many people are actually gonna replay most of the same content to get a good ending though, and there's still a possibilty of fucking it up on top of that by shooting Salma, which ruins the Greene path. I imagine a lot of players are gonna get an un-satisying ending, not know about the alterntive interpretation, and leave it at that. It's a lot of grinding to do the same stuff again, with no guarantee of getting the "definitive" ending... I can't say I love the game design choice.
Same, got the “good” ending first. But I see a lot of people are getting bad ones. They should have made it a little bit more clear that specific choice when talking to Sara affected the story that much. Well, I felt something was off with killer theory, so I picked another dialog option.
Also the ending looks like how Neo woke up in his tube. If only they had more budget and added open world + combat it would be great game. It is great game but short.
@@Venomancerous I think as a concept game, it works. The next step should be what you said, expand this universe, but make it only a bit more open world, nothing like GTA.
@@marcelldoszpoly6704 No nothing like gta of course. You can't make flying cars gta it is extremely expensive. But you can move through map or something. I mean it was short and lack of combat was a big - of this game.
Contrary to what many people are saying here, I got the good ending on my first playthrough. Though, based on genre cliches, I always suspected James was crazy and the murderer and Sara were both figments of his imagination. I was pleasantly surprised that we met Sara and confirmed her existence, but I still never believed the murderer was an actual person throughout the entirety of my playthrough. Because of this, I never did what the murderer wanted me to do. I did steal the hundred year old liqour at one point, but I didn't drink it. The dialogue options you receive in the good ending are different than the ones you receive in the others, so the game likely decides if you’re getting the true ending long before you start the peek-and-shoot with Salma scene. Also. Someone said you have to go pick "closer" as soon as you get the option? I didn’t do that. I picked every dialgoue option until "closer" was the only thing left and the game made James run ahead automatically. I don’t know how you can consistently get the good ending, but I don’t think it has anything to do with your dialgoue choices in the final scene.
@@manugames92 I'm not a developer of this game or anything. I just feel like the "good" ending is likely the "true" or "canon" ending because it ties up all loose ends.
@@DillanTheVillan4 The good ending is a closure, being trapped in the ichorite bank which leads to a dark future is a more tentative sequel like Metro Last Light.
I would assume it's a combination of many of the choices you make. Burning the evidence, leaving the vault door open, not killing the guy in the Icarus... These are all simultaneously choices that play into the hands of the powerful AND they are the choices that defy the voices. The voices want you to tear down the system and bring back real death. You defy them because you think it's the murderer toying with you. But in reality, those choices are against the system and thus the good choices (I presume). So if you leave the evidence, close the door, shoot the guy etc, I think the more of that you do, the more likely you get the good ending.
I didn't like how the game leaves so many questions unanswered. Like where did the snake bottle come from and who gave it to Green? Who wrote the ouroboroi dates of death? Why did Green shoot everyone in the Redroom?
I feel like we just haven't found the reasons yet with how new this game is. Surely in the coming weeks someone could find evidence hidden throughout the game that might explain it all.
You can ask Jane about the ourobouros. She says that It was Green who carved it for his plans but it didn't mean that it was meant do be the day he died. The other ourobouros were just psychotic delirium
Greene must have gotten the bottle from Kovalev which ends up in James' possession from Greene's office. Ouroboi were drawn by Greene and Kovalev. The one in Greene's office is fifty year old while the one on Kovalev's safe is fresh. Greene shot all the people in the red room to prevent them from stopping the chaos caused by the new law that lowers the age of the first body subscription to 20.
@@tobyeaterofbark9582 if it's the one behind the safe where the bodies are listed as 21 then most likely it is yes, there's a reason you keep hearing about the President trying to lower the age limit for body subscription since if you can'r pay your body will straight up get taken away from you by the Department of Mortality
How they store them? They do tell you: In the bank. Or are you expecting them to explain like the physics of it? Because I feel like that would just be technobabble. "Yeah so when we store memories in the ichorite, we fluxicate the quantum entanglement of neuronal pathways in order to extract engrams from networked synapses!"
@@ConsumerInsights457 This game is not based on or has anything to do with Altered Carbon though. And in this game, they show that they are stored in the ichorite which is wrapped around everyone's brain. In Altered Carbon, they have a disc called a stack close to their brainstem and in this game, they have the ick in their skull.
This game has the worst way to give you endings... It doesn't matter what you do the whole game, you just need to get closer with her as soon as possible and drop the pistol... How should I know that? A perfect example of how to ruin a good game with an ending... No conclusions, no thoughts, no meanings...
Man I finished my first walkthrough yesterday and was like: Wow, that game is worth playing twice or even more times to experience all endings. Today I made my second savegame and made almost every decision different from my first one. I had the first ending of this video yesterday and the second one today but was really disillusioned because both endings are so close to each other and I felt like: Man, I was a different person in this save and almost made it to the same ending? wtf? -Because I was a bit sad about this and the wasted time of today, I searched for this video and really wonder how to get to the last ending, what I really wanted for my game today because I already had the suspicion of me being suffering from any desynchro-desease. As I know now, I was right, but how do I become able to choose the dialogue options for this case and do I really have to do all the detectice work in each case again?
To get the good ending the main thing you need to do is choose green instead of the murderer when sara asks you who you think is responsible after you do the very last clue board before you leave for the train wreck crime scene . If you want to be extra careful also do both of the things the stranger asks of you at the 2 previous crime scenes before that. Pull the trigger/ close the door
@@waltzforvenus_9164 This has to be it. Because this is the truth. Green really did just act crazy because of desync psychosis. There is no murderer. And the choices you can make always fall into two categories 1. Pro system. When you defy the voices, you are doing something that benefits the system like not shooting the guy and leaving the red room door open. 2. Anti system. When you do as the voices ask, you do things that destroy the system. You shoot the guy, close the door, etc. So when you listen to the voices, you are fighting the system, the villain of this story. It makes sense that the good ending is the one you get when you fight the system and find out the real truth.
@@waltzforvenus_9164 Me, too. I was at times a little confused and honestly upset at the ending because I thought I was acting on James' principles the whole time and still got banked. But I'll play it again with all the anti-system choices since I didn't watch the good ending above yet. But despite that, I enjoyed myself a lot. I love detective stories and noir and art deco and for some reason, I have a thing for very large man-made structures, so this game was like a magic formula to be liked by me :D
@@gownerjones for reference I have gone through twice . Both times I chose the anti system choices as you called them only difference was choosing the murderer instead of green in that conversation with sara. First playthrough I got the bad ending . So sadly I don’t think most of the other options really play a role in the ending they just give you other dialog options . Still worth checking out to get new dialog options tho imo. Me too, I’m a big fan of this type of cyberpunk type Of setting and the detective thing was a really engaging . I would love to ever get some more crime scenes via dlc. Maybe they could be previous cases or with another detective ( maybe sara gets promoted ). Enjoy your next playthrough!
this game is the same as perfection…until the ending part. in my opinion, they could’ve put more effort init and I think that the endings that the game gives us kinda of messed up the game, but, the game itself still pretty good anyways.
Yeahhh! Got the best ending on my first attempt. Hope there will be more games like this in this super interesting universe. Maybe a sequel with Sara or Jane or Taylor?
This game absolutely nails the atmosphere and tone and the first few sequences are awesome but then the narrative becomes very confusing with things happening "off screen" or being introduced out of nowhere as if they cut some content due to budget reasons or time constraint. Also, the "happy" ending is obviously the best ending for this story but it's not clear enough what you have to do to achieve it which lead to the majority of players getting the bad endings and ruining the whole experience. Still, I would love to see what this team can do with more time and a bigger budget.
I have questions about Rachel! There’s a great explanation of the game in the comments that made me feel so much better after finishing the game and being confused. Thank you to joshuagraham What’s the deal with Rachel and some of the things she said to James ? What’s up with Bryan’s room in James house ? Did James and Rachel almost have a kid but something happened? What happened ?
@@manugames92 wait what I thought the game made it pretty clear that she killed herself cause of the desynchro disease, as for the kid my person person theory is that she had miscarriage and that's what pushed her into madness
During the train sequence, James says something to the effect of his fears are shaping what his hallucinations of Rachel were saying to him. With the final death ending, the Rachel that grabs his hands has a different model/kinder expression than the psycho Rachel we see through the game. My suspicion is that Rachel had a miscarriage or, because of the crying during the end of the train sequence, Bryan was actually born but died shortly afterwards (SIDS?) which broke Rachel (who was already struggling with synchronization) into poisoning herself and jumping. The question from there is who is supplying the poison, because the “dealer” on the train seems to have no clue what James was talking about.
I really hope there is more stuff to find in terms of story because this world is so fascinating. But just based on my reaction to the plot reveals I do think they fumbled towards the end. I wouldnt put it on the same level as Bioshock or SOMA in terms of dytopia but it was a fun game otherwise
ok, then i got the bad ending. iam here, because i was like : wait what, its the end? co clear up on whats the deal with the story? did i die as in game over and ended the game prematurely? well, no thats the end of the game anyway and it comes out of knowhere way to fast
So, internal life sucks. Therefore kill yourself.... to live forever in the afterlife? Confusing messaging. Eternal life or sweet embrace of oblivion would be a far more interesting narrative to explore. The ending and it's lack of moral ambiguity (there is just GOOD and BAD) was the weakest part of the game.
The whole psychosis plot twist is so lame and uninteresting. The dev probably thought that it is so clever and maybe trying to emulate spec ops the line or shutter island. Sigh i thought i would get a really good murder mystery game with a compelling villian
@@mediumgentium Well, you collect evidence and solve the clues by matching them with the evidence you found.. You control the movement n stuff. Yes, you play the game, but it plays more like a Sherlock Holmes game.
Feels almost like the story of a 0815 indie psychological horror game. "This decision will imapct the story" my ass. Just don't make us think that anything makes a difference if the only choice that matters is what we do in the end. I was so invested in the game but tje ending just destroyed everything 🙄
It was so disappointing to go into the second act and find the plot untangle in the worst way possible. Idk if it's the script translators fault but the dialogues stopped making sense about two hours into the game. Some responses seem completely out of the blue and have nothing to do with the line of conversation. Jokes fall completely flat due to some things being translated in a very awkward way. The gritty noir atmosphere, therefore, begins to really wear on the player by about hour 3 (yet another generic noir detective line and a puff of a cigarette, great, we only had about 70 of those thus far). And then there's the ending. Oh boy. Instead of your characters redemption or whatever arc was planned you are now a tool to rescue a body so that your detective partner can live in that body again? Idk what I've done wrong but I've tried to maintain an extremely good character and ended up in what seems to be the worst ending possible. And your partner leaves you a voicemail saying she'll never be able to get you out anyway? I still have no idea who the murderer was, or if his plan made sense, or how he implemented his plan, or what role the 20 people I spent minutes shuffling around my "vision board" even played. A great, great pity. This game is visually BEAUTIFUL and that makes it doubly annoying to play.
Lmao 💀 there is no murderer. Everyone involved, especially your character is suffering from psychosis. After a bunch of changes it can make people go crazy. That voice is not real. If you figure that out by the end and say green did it, instead of "murderer" when talking to Sara in the slums then you unlock the good ending. Also the noir cliche dialogue is literally so camp
@@fuglong I get what the Devs was going for but how the heck would anyone have figured out there was no actual murderer at that point? The game was great, 8/10 but the ending could've been done/explained better.
@@taylorchinery6654 well, there were. greene and kovalev. there was no hidden murderer. but it was obvious. you literally saw it on cameras in greene's secret room. and during last analysis you were told he got out of redroom and killed himself. game tells you how world works. you can transfer your mind/personality stored in ichorite into one's body. it is not that killer can magically occupy somene's mind and body, make him do what he wants, including killing host and again, magically go back to his own mind/body. we allowed that because this is cliche from other popcultural pieces. so since greene offed himself, it was by his own actions (minus being mental to some degree). there were some small pieces suggesting there may be consciousness when bodies are sleeping, but those were red herrings. and again we extrapolate this from our other real world experiences.
@@taylorchinery6654 I think that's what devs wanted for you to realise at the the end you were manipulated by the voice and then replay the game knowing this so you can get the good ending. Also even if the decisions seem morally "good" in the end you contribute to another decades upon decades of suffering for the poor and are another dog of the system that additionally got manipulated by voice in his head
The game is great, got the Movie Blade Runner vibe numerous times, but the ending is some garbage. At the end, the game rolls into you saving a lesbian and dying yourself for nothing. In fact some super pointless endings, the villain lives, the protagonist dies for nothing, saving a generally unknown person you don't even have sympathy for. I think they could have done better, then it would have been a 10/10 game. In fact, 98% of the choices in the game don't affect the ending at all. Also, all the endings are pretty much the same, no other way, nothing, you either die, die or die, even in the “incubator” ending, you're told by Sara that you're there forever. Arthur Morgan saving friend John Marston, by sacrificing himself in RDR 2, with whom we went through the entire game was done wonderfully and justified. But saving some unknown lesbian friend at the risk of my life It's kind of weird. So we end up dying for a shell, just a body so Sara can be beautiful again? That's ridiculous. Why should I die for Sara old body? Why do I even want to die for her? I'd die for my wife, but she's already dead. The developers could have at least given me a reason to die. But there's no reason. That's my opinion, you may have a different one. I just think the main character deserved a better ending than this Even if he had died at the end.
@@tidaltown Yeah i know that. But why do I care? The protagonist has known Sara for about three days and has never even seen Sara's friend. If this game is a game with choices, why not give me as a player a choice. And why should I die for her friend? The ending is literally about you saving a body shell - It doesn't change anything.. All I'm saying is that the ending could have been more emotional and made more sense. Again going back to RDR, I knew what Arthur Morgan was risking for - for his "family", for his “brother” John, but what is the protagonist in this game risking for here? It's not clear to me. Maybe Sara character is made in a way that doesn't allow you to soak up sympathy for her. Maybe the fact that her friend was not revealed as a character at all and we don't know anything about her and we don't know what we die for in the end. I don't know, for me personally, the whole thing could have been done better. But still, I enjoyed the game. It's a great, interesting game with a pretty good story, but with a silly ending. Reminds me of Telltale games.
You do realize that the entire point of the game and its ending was that the weight of living forever was corrupting people. We saw this first with Green in the tapes with Salma (final board) and the ending of the game was us killing ourselves to avoid becoming a true monster and a slave to the ichorite (stranger in our head)
@insa6990 what struck me as odd is that stranger said in bad ending. That he'll get acess to minds of millions. At first I thought he was after knowledge and connections psychologist had. But then I realized it was a ploy. What he really wanted is for main character to survive and get him into the bank so he can infect with his psychosis everyone. There must be someone with secrets and skeletons in their closets inside that bank. And he will be able to acess them no matter how tight they are locked up.
who is murderer ? this is the big problem of this game The most important mystery is not solved the 4 endings are all similar apart from the fate of Sara and Taylor These 2 things ruin all the fun the game can have
@@fuglong the main character would have killed his wife himself and after pursuit the dealer in the train to whom he would have given the poison I want him to forget his actions in a state of madness but it’s inconsistent
She could have been impregnated with Jame's baby BEFORE the body transfer . . . which would explain why she is so worried about saving her body. It's not the body she is worried about saving (after all bodies are just vessels for ichorite here), but the baby inside it.
My take on this: The real villain in the story is the ichorite system itself. What is revealed by the end is that this so-called immortality technology simply doesn't work reliably over the long term. Over time and multiple transfers, gaps start to develop in the memory and identity recorded in ichorite, like image fidelity gradually being lost when making a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy. Some people, like James' wife Rachel, simply become irreparably psychologically damaged, and unable to feel anything. Others, like Green, Kovalev, and eventually James himself, develop an alter-ego that grows out of these gaps in their psyche and memory. This warped alternate personality seems to invariably recognize the ichorite system as something inherently "wrong," leading them to hate immortals and immortality itself.
Because of their age and their constant hedonistic body-hopping in Green's secret club, the oldest and most influential ichorite immortals were among the most insane and damaged, so much so that they eventually developed very complex alter-egos that collaberated with each other to form a master plan to bring down the ichorite system, without the knowledge of their original personas. I think many peoples' alter egos were potentially part of this ouroborous conspiracy, perhaps even James' own alter ego (the Stranger) by the end. For example, the President publicly promising to veto the proposed bill lowering the age when you have to start paying to keep your own body, and then suddenly reversing himself at the last minute, predictably causing outrage and mass civil unrest that played right into the conspiracy's hands. Another example is the Chief of Police, who places James under arrest in the park only to suddenly change his mind and shoot him, despite their long history together. I suspect both were overridden by their alter-egos.
Because the ichorite system is so inherently flawed, you could almost see the alter-egos of the ouroborous society as the "good guys", except that they're cruel and spiteful, and their motivation seems to be pure hatred rather than any real sense of justice. They really don't care how many innocent people they hurt or kill to bring down the system. This is exemplified by how, at the end, the Stranger tries to get James to murder a pregnant woman (and Sara's body) by making James believe that he's possessed her through her ichorite. In the endings where James does shoot Dr. Salma, the Stranger wins even though he and James die -- it was always the plan of the alter egos to destroy even themselves, as seen with Green taking the ichorite poison and killing himself, or Kovalev blowing himself up after killing all those people at his night club. In the good ending, James finally solves the mystery, and realizes what the Stranger really is. He suppresses his alter ego long enough to unload and discard his gun, and then to connect Dr. Salma with Sara by giving her the earpiece, before taking the ichorite poison and jumping off the buiilding, in order to destroy the Stranger once and for all. The chains of ichorite he saw in his dream preventing him from reaching Rachel across the water are thus revealed to be James' own ichorite tying him to a body not his own, and preventing him from joining his wife in the true immortality of the afterlife. After he takes the poison that causes his ichorite to dissolve, James' chains are finally gone, and as he reaches the other side, we see the wounds on his wrists caused by the ichorite chains -- wounds which I believe represent The Stranger -- fade away.
This is excellent! Everything makes so much more sense this way. Thank you so much for sharing!
This story has touched me deeply , thanks for the detailed explanation ❤
@@NEVER.GIVEUP99 This should be like headline, for real
Oh, sir, you are truely detective and unveil whole story. Thank you, mister!
bro saved my life 😭🙏🏻
It's funny how almost all full walkthroughs on youtube so far have gotten the worst ending (I got that one too).
Hah same here. All along I thought I was making the right decisions. it's quite frustrating
I got the one where you die and let Selma walk away.
Just finished the game on first play-through, no guides, got the good ending. Aw yeah.
I got the good ending by following what i thought was the more common sense/normal choices, i think it's thought to be achieved that way
It seems that one choice matters and is not obvious and, depending on our conclusions, may be "unfair" to our ending. Personally, I got good ones.
The Rachel in the good ending looks different from the ones in James’ hallucinations. I think that they’re finally back to their original “shells” once James has reached the afterlife.
Then again it's also possible that James imagined her looking like an actress in one of the detective films he liked to watch with her.
I love how this game fucks with the players sense of right and wrong. Usually you know which decisions are good or bad and you get a pretty good idea if you‘ve done a good job by the end. But like the Stranger inside James‘ head, you get tricked into thinking you‘re doing the right thing, when you‘re actually insane.
Unfortunately this game tackled the idea like a highschooler writing an essay.
I watched someone else play this game and they got the bad ending which made me really confused, now that I’ve seen the true ending things finally made sense
Spoilers:
there is no murderer, the murderer’s voice was all the detective’s hallucination. I was wondering how the hell this rando terrorist was able to do all that shit like possess people and talk to them telepathically but turns out that was all a red herring. the “true” culprit was Green and Kosalov who went crazy, killed people and then committed suicide. when Salma was shooting back she legit thought the detective was some crazy rioter and was trying to defend herself
What is a true ending and why the others are fake?
@@manugames92 the ending where he just shoots Salma I consider bad endings because the mystery is never solved (also the ones where he gets taken away by the ichorite away from Rachel), the one where he realizes the truth and later flies away together with Rachel I consider the true ending since everything is explained
@@shadow7179 The developers can say that the bad ending is canon like in Metro Last Light, "true endings" are those that are open to sequels, here the good ending is a closure.
@@shadow7179 Or in Dark Souls where every ending is irrelevant for it sequels.
@@manugames92 The true ending is the one that resolves the most plot threads. And in this case, that's the good ending until the devs canonize a different one.
Honestly that last ending was the only one that came close to an ending ... all the other ones were just kinda shit
- you get shot a bunch and then shoot her in the back , just to get put in the Ick bank
- you go get shot again but she gets away and still end up dying
- youre able to talk to her after she fights the murderer and then shoot her but just end up gettin shot and dyin
The last one just makes more sense , sacraficing your life for a friend and finally having peace
The twist here is that there was no murderer. The voice James hears is all in his head brought about by desync psychosis.
I would have liked an "ironic" ending where we refuse to kill the rich people (no killing in the Icarus and letting the door of the vault open at Green's house .and maybe burn the files in Green's house)
And those rich guys discover that you "saved" them and pay a new shell for you. Still empty inside but alive, with the shame of having been saved by those horrible people.
@@harlankovacs6276 Then James wouldn't merely be dead inside. He'd be suffering from an ever-worsening psychosis that would degrade to a point where he'd be completely unable to distinguish between reality and hallucination.
@@lahnaman9240 It didn't make sense for the psychosis to affect all 3 of them in the same way though, they were all driven to destroy the system which 2 of them basically created. It feels like the ending is still left pretty open and we're just given an story for what happened.
Damn that last ending actually choked me up a bit, it was the perfect bitter sweet ending. Really happy that Sara and James basically get what they've been wanting throughout the whole game.
I was expecting a story similiar to Se7en where you hunt down a killer and piece together evidence... motivations, hell I was expecting Sara to be the killer halfway through the game. It felt really anticlimatic that it was all just voices in peoples heads. It's still a pretty cool game, though
The murderer is the personication of the very madness of circumventing death.
Now that I think about it they were only 2 possible outcomes from the start, James either dies but his ichorite survives or he truly dies and can reunite with his wife, there never was a happy ending because in this world happiness was taken centuries ago and the only way to bring it back was exactly what the voice wanted
does someone else cry like a dumbass at the last ending or am i just over sensitive? i love this game, polska guuurom
If that was the ending I got in my first playthrough, I probably would have lol.
I know this game is pretty short and leaves a lot of unanswered questions, but i think it acts as proof of concept for the studio.
For one thing, ideally, it will make money or help them get sponsors/partners for the next game they make. This game is incredibly polished for an indie debut. It also acts as a teaser for longer form games set in the same universe, since there is enough world-building to gauge audience interest in their universe.
I understand that this style of game is not for everyone. As a point-and-click puzzler of this length and style, i think it has a lot of strengths. But i also think this style is more manageable for a small studio, and it may just be a way to prove their competency.
I think I'll buy the game at some point just to support the developers, and hopefully in the future we can see bigger, more ambitious projects by them!
The whole game world and design would be an excellent transplant for Cyberpunk 2077.
I would've preferred to fly around in an an open Noir styled world 💯
The sheer amount of levels the city would have would make randomized generation basically mandatory, and even then it would be a 200ish gb large videogame. Maybe in three or four generations.
@@settenovetre You're assuming every single apartment, etc, being accessible.
That's not how Cyberpunk did it, nor this game. It's the same with GTA IV, GTA V, etc.
POIs in each building. It's not as complex as you're making it out to be.
And the size is all about textures and assets being reused, and the compression.
*This game was only 26.5 GB installed.*
I'd say this could easily be done in 100GB or less.
It would all depend on the level of complexity, scale, the textures and assets recycled, and streaming compression.
@@LukeHimself I'm not talking with every apartment being accessible, I'm talking 200ish gigabytes with serviceable exteriors alone including car traffic, pedestrians where needed, etc. It would have to render hundreds of almost impossibly high buildings with traffic lanes at different levels, the amount of stuff to generate is massive with exteriors alone.
Other games already did this, think Beam Breakers (played the demo) but Beam Breakers was twenty years ago on a way smaller scale.
@@settenovetre What takes up almost the entirety of the size of a game's install is the textures.. This is why I specifically mentioned recycling of textures..
A massive building makes zero difference in texture storage, because it recycles most of the textures used from bottom to top, and other buildings will share some, if not most, of the textures.
Beam Breakers (2002) was 350MB, "Cloudpunk" (2019) made a massive open world game that did everything Beam Breakers did plus much more, on foot travel, free roam, etc. *_It's 7 GB because of it's art style._*
It's not about the scale, it's about the assets.. *_Textures_*
Example: There could be three different interior furniture sets used across the whole game, which means if the game world is 20 square meters with 3 buildings or 20,000 square meters with 3,000 buildings, it wouldn't change the storage size... as far as assets.
The game code compresses VERY WELL, and is decompressed on the fly.
Textures are poorly compressed, no matter what you do.
*This is why big modern games like Deep Rock Galactic are only like 3 GB in total, installed.. Game package size is all down to the high detail textures, and how many unique textures are used.*
@@LukeHimself You make good points about texture size but the game's sheer scale would probably need it to be an AAA or something, and this is the studio's first work so the experience is just not there.
Besides, recycling textures to excessive extents would result in repetitive slop that would look and feel nothing like what we see here. Cloudpunk is also a problematic example being its art style voxel-ish based, whilst I figure that an open world based on this IP would keep the visual realism.
I recall Observer, good game from a newbie studio but nothing else was made of it except a slight remaster. I wish I could share your enthusiasm and optimism.
So I guess the devs probably want you to get the Stranger endings on the first playthrough, as all the initial evidence points to him being the killer, meaning most first time players are likely gonna get it. But the Stranger whispers to you even after you killed Salma (which _should?_ also be the Stranger), which suggests you got it wrong. However, when replaying, they probably want you to pick different choices, which leads to re-interpretating the events as James' psychosis acting up, not the Stranger's revolutionary plot, and is the only way to achieve a satifying ending for James, by actually dying. I don't know how many people are actually gonna replay most of the same content to get a good ending though, and there's still a possibilty of fucking it up on top of that by shooting Salma, which ruins the Greene path. I imagine a lot of players are gonna get an un-satisying ending, not know about the alterntive interpretation, and leave it at that. It's a lot of grinding to do the same stuff again, with no guarantee of getting the "definitive" ending... I can't say I love the game design choice.
I get the good ending at first because blaming the murderer feels off to me.
Same, got the “good” ending first. But I see a lot of people are getting bad ones. They should have made it a little bit more clear that specific choice when talking to Sara affected the story that much. Well, I felt something was off with killer theory, so I picked another dialog option.
Really? No one spotted the most on the nose Matrix reference at the bank scene? Thomas Anderson?
Also the ending looks like how Neo woke up in his tube. If only they had more budget and added open world + combat it would be great game. It is great game but short.
@@Venomancerous I think as a concept game, it works. The next step should be what you said, expand this universe, but make it only a bit more open world, nothing like GTA.
@@marcelldoszpoly6704 No nothing like gta of course. You can't make flying cars gta it is extremely expensive. But you can move through map or something. I mean it was short and lack of combat was a big - of this game.
Contrary to what many people are saying here, I got the good ending on my first playthrough.
Though, based on genre cliches, I always suspected James was crazy and the murderer and Sara were both figments of his imagination. I was pleasantly surprised that we met Sara and confirmed her existence, but I still never believed the murderer was an actual person throughout the entirety of my playthrough.
Because of this, I never did what the murderer wanted me to do. I did steal the hundred year old liqour at one point, but I didn't drink it.
The dialogue options you receive in the good ending are different than the ones you receive in the others, so the game likely decides if you’re getting the true ending long before you start the peek-and-shoot with Salma scene.
Also. Someone said you have to go pick "closer" as soon as you get the option?
I didn’t do that. I picked every dialgoue option until "closer" was the only thing left and the game made James run ahead automatically. I don’t know how you can consistently get the good ending, but I don’t think it has anything to do with your dialgoue choices in the final scene.
What is a true ending and why the others endings are fakes?
@@manugames92 I'm not a developer of this game or anything. I just feel like the "good" ending is likely the "true" or "canon" ending because it ties up all loose ends.
@@DillanTheVillan4 The good ending is a closure, being trapped in the ichorite bank which leads to a dark future is a more tentative sequel like Metro Last Light.
I would assume it's a combination of many of the choices you make. Burning the evidence, leaving the vault door open, not killing the guy in the Icarus... These are all simultaneously choices that play into the hands of the powerful AND they are the choices that defy the voices. The voices want you to tear down the system and bring back real death. You defy them because you think it's the murderer toying with you. But in reality, those choices are against the system and thus the good choices (I presume). So if you leave the evidence, close the door, shoot the guy etc, I think the more of that you do, the more likely you get the good ending.
I had a different first ending as far as the translation. She said "I'll try just as hard as you tried for Rachel". But maybe I unlocked that speech.
Depends on dialogues choices.
I didn't like how the game leaves so many questions unanswered. Like where did the snake bottle come from and who gave it to Green? Who wrote the ouroboroi dates of death? Why did Green shoot everyone in the Redroom?
I feel like we just haven't found the reasons yet with how new this game is. Surely in the coming weeks someone could find evidence hidden throughout the game that might explain it all.
You can ask Jane about the ourobouros. She says that It was Green who carved it for his plans but it didn't mean that it was meant do be the day he died. The other ourobouros were just psychotic delirium
do they get the bodies from orphanages? i thought thats what they said but it seems super villiany so im not sure
Greene must have gotten the bottle from Kovalev which ends up in James' possession from Greene's office.
Ouroboi were drawn by Greene and Kovalev. The one in Greene's office is fifty year old while the one on Kovalev's safe is fresh.
Greene shot all the people in the red room to prevent them from stopping the chaos caused by the new law that lowers the age of the first body subscription to 20.
@@tobyeaterofbark9582 if it's the one behind the safe where the bodies are listed as 21 then most likely it is yes, there's a reason you keep hearing about the President trying to lower the age limit for body subscription since if you can'r pay your body will straight up get taken away from you by the Department of Mortality
A decent game with shit endings I was playing having a good time and then WAIT SERIOUSLY THATS IT😂😂
I still have questions about the world, like how they store people's memories
Have you seen alter carbon it on netflix they tell you how
@@nando1679 That show was amazing and truly makes me wonder if the world would become exactly like that
How they store them? They do tell you: In the bank. Or are you expecting them to explain like the physics of it? Because I feel like that would just be technobabble. "Yeah so when we store memories in the ichorite, we fluxicate the quantum entanglement of neuronal pathways in order to extract engrams from networked synapses!"
@@gownerjones in the show they store the memories in a chip which is in the back of their necks if it's destroyed then they are officially dead
@@ConsumerInsights457 This game is not based on or has anything to do with Altered Carbon though. And in this game, they show that they are stored in the ichorite which is wrapped around everyone's brain. In Altered Carbon, they have a disc called a stack close to their brainstem and in this game, they have the ick in their skull.
This game has the worst way to give you endings... It doesn't matter what you do the whole game, you just need to get closer with her as soon as possible and drop the pistol... How should I know that? A perfect example of how to ruin a good game with an ending... No conclusions, no thoughts, no meanings...
The good ending depends on choices in the middle.
Literally on my 2nd playthrough about to finish it and still didn't give me the option of dropping the gun at the end ...starting to piss me off
@@Radi3nt2002 you did opposite choices and have the same results?
@@manugames92 most the same only a few different
@@manugames92 also I just came across your full game yt vid gonna copy from the video
Man I finished my first walkthrough yesterday and was like: Wow, that game is worth playing twice or even more times to experience all endings. Today I made my second savegame and made almost every decision different from my first one. I had the first ending of this video yesterday and the second one today but was really disillusioned because both endings are so close to each other and I felt like: Man, I was a different person in this save and almost made it to the same ending? wtf? -Because I was a bit sad about this and the wasted time of today, I searched for this video and really wonder how to get to the last ending, what I really wanted for my game today because I already had the suspicion of me being suffering from any desynchro-desease. As I know now, I was right, but how do I become able to choose the dialogue options for this case and do I really have to do all the detectice work in each case again?
To get the good ending the main thing you need to do is choose green instead of the murderer when sara asks you who you think is responsible after you do the very last clue board before you leave for the train wreck crime scene . If you want to be extra careful also do both of the things the stranger asks of you at the 2 previous crime scenes before that. Pull the trigger/ close the door
@@waltzforvenus_9164 This has to be it. Because this is the truth. Green really did just act crazy because of desync psychosis. There is no murderer. And the choices you can make always fall into two categories
1. Pro system. When you defy the voices, you are doing something that benefits the system like not shooting the guy and leaving the red room door open.
2. Anti system. When you do as the voices ask, you do things that destroy the system. You shoot the guy, close the door, etc.
So when you listen to the voices, you are fighting the system, the villain of this story. It makes sense that the good ending is the one you get when you fight the system and find out the real truth.
@@gownerjones that’s a good analysis. I really enjoyed my time with this game I hope we get another game within this world they built.
@@waltzforvenus_9164 Me, too. I was at times a little confused and honestly upset at the ending because I thought I was acting on James' principles the whole time and still got banked. But I'll play it again with all the anti-system choices since I didn't watch the good ending above yet. But despite that, I enjoyed myself a lot. I love detective stories and noir and art deco and for some reason, I have a thing for very large man-made structures, so this game was like a magic formula to be liked by me :D
@@gownerjones for reference I have gone through twice . Both times I chose the anti system choices as you called them only difference was choosing the murderer instead of green in that conversation with sara. First playthrough I got the bad ending . So sadly I don’t think most of the other options really play a role in the ending they just give you other dialog options . Still worth checking out to get new dialog options tho imo. Me too, I’m a big fan of this type of cyberpunk type
Of setting and the detective thing was a really engaging . I would love to ever get some more crime scenes via dlc. Maybe they could be previous cases or with another detective ( maybe sara gets promoted ). Enjoy your next playthrough!
The last ending is better than the other 3 at least.
And here was me thinking the twist was going to be Sara or Salma orchestrating the killings with their voice modulators.
this game is the same as perfection…until the ending part. in my opinion, they could’ve put more effort init and I think that the endings that the game gives us kinda of messed up the game, but, the game itself still pretty good anyways.
Yeahhh! Got the best ending on my first attempt. Hope there will be more games like this in this super interesting universe. Maybe a sequel with Sara or Jane or Taylor?
Fire walks with me (Twin peaks)
Thomas Amnderson (Neo, Matrix) hehe
Yeah the fire walk with me achievement got me hyped. I love David Lynch
This game absolutely nails the atmosphere and tone and the first few sequences are awesome but then the narrative becomes very confusing with things happening "off screen" or being introduced out of nowhere as if they cut some content due to budget reasons or time constraint. Also, the "happy" ending is obviously the best ending for this story but it's not clear enough what you have to do to achieve it which lead to the majority of players getting the bad endings and ruining the whole experience. Still, I would love to see what this team can do with more time and a bigger budget.
The endings depends within Green or the murderer.
I have questions about Rachel!
There’s a great explanation of the game in the comments that made me feel so much better after finishing the game and being confused. Thank you to joshuagraham
What’s the deal with Rachel and some of the things she said to James ? What’s up with Bryan’s room in James house ? Did James and Rachel almost have a kid but something happened? What happened ?
Apparently, James in his psychosis poisoned Rachel.
@@manugames92 wait what I thought the game made it pretty clear that she killed herself cause of the desynchro disease, as for the kid my person person theory is that she had miscarriage and that's what pushed her into madness
During the train sequence, James says something to the effect of his fears are shaping what his hallucinations of Rachel were saying to him. With the final death ending, the Rachel that grabs his hands has a different model/kinder expression than the psycho Rachel we see through the game.
My suspicion is that Rachel had a miscarriage or, because of the crying during the end of the train sequence, Bryan was actually born but died shortly afterwards (SIDS?) which broke Rachel (who was already struggling with synchronization) into poisoning herself and jumping. The question from there is who is supplying the poison, because the “dealer” on the train seems to have no clue what James was talking about.
I was really enjoying this but it was sooo short! I was like NOOOOOOOoooooooo. Completed same day X_X
I really hope there is more stuff to find in terms of story because this world is so fascinating. But just based on my reaction to the plot reveals I do think they fumbled towards the end. I wouldnt put it on the same level as Bioshock or SOMA in terms of dytopia but it was a fun game otherwise
just played this, holy shit what a game
ok, then i got the bad ending. iam here, because i was like : wait what, its the end? co clear up on whats the deal with the story? did i die as in game over and ended the game prematurely? well, no thats the end of the game anyway and it comes out of knowhere way to fast
ok wow i got the "good ending" first try but still thought it was kinda bad, i guess there is no way to actually save James
Save him him from the soul prison.
"The hero dies in the end, but he tried..."
The James' Ladder trophy was a good reference to Jacob's Ladder
See you space cowboy
Glad I got the best ending. No need to play it again.
Hi, could you write a guide on how to get the best ending? Such as what choices to make in the mid game. I absolutely have no idea. Thank you!
In my live video of 5 hours i get the good ending.
@@manugames92 17:00 True Ending
What do you mean by true ending and why the others are fake endings?
@@manugames92 I dunno, I don’t like bad endings
Metro Last light makes the 2033 bad ending the true ending because the conflict in an action game enrich the story.
"Mr.Anderson" ;-)
Thanks for the vid and letting us know all the endings of the game. (I died and shoot her/him idk so I guess it was the bad ending)
So, the happy ending is he wakes up on the island from Lost. lol
So one wrong text choice at the end decides if you get a good ending or not?
Everything before was meaningless?
Kinda disappointed.
Yes, just the choice between murderer and Green matters.
@@manugames92 oh ok, atleast its the solving the case correctly choice instead of a simple dialog.
So, internal life sucks. Therefore kill yourself.... to live forever in the afterlife? Confusing messaging. Eternal life or sweet embrace of oblivion would be a far more interesting narrative to explore. The ending and it's lack of moral ambiguity (there is just GOOD and BAD) was the weakest part of the game.
Treat yourself and play it in VR. Excellent. What's another similar current pc game out now?
@@avia4281 it's an older game but look up Observer (also features you playing a detective)
The whole psychosis plot twist is so lame and uninteresting. The dev probably thought that it is so clever and maybe trying to emulate spec ops the line or shutter island. Sigh i thought i would get a really good murder mystery game with a compelling villian
I agree 100%
The whole split personality or psychosis crap is played out.
Do you actually play the game?
@@mediumgentium Well, you collect evidence and solve the clues by matching them with the evidence you found.. You control the movement n stuff.
Yes, you play the game, but it plays more like a Sherlock Holmes game.
7:06 Matrix reference?
Esse jogo é incrível veyy pqp
Feels almost like the story of a 0815 indie psychological horror game. "This decision will imapct the story" my ass. Just don't make us think that anything makes a difference if the only choice that matters is what we do in the end. I was so invested in the game but tje ending just destroyed everything 🙄
Did James our charachter respawn in any of the endings? Some1 explain pls
Free to die or prisoner in chryonite bank.
It was so disappointing to go into the second act and find the plot untangle in the worst way possible. Idk if it's the script translators fault but the dialogues stopped making sense about two hours into the game. Some responses seem completely out of the blue and have nothing to do with the line of conversation. Jokes fall completely flat due to some things being translated in a very awkward way.
The gritty noir atmosphere, therefore, begins to really wear on the player by about hour 3 (yet another generic noir detective line and a puff of a cigarette, great, we only had about 70 of those thus far).
And then there's the ending. Oh boy. Instead of your characters redemption or whatever arc was planned you are now a tool to rescue a body so that your detective partner can live in that body again?
Idk what I've done wrong but I've tried to maintain an extremely good character and ended up in what seems to be the worst ending possible. And your partner leaves you a voicemail saying she'll never be able to get you out anyway?
I still have no idea who the murderer was, or if his plan made sense, or how he implemented his plan, or what role the 20 people I spent minutes shuffling around my "vision board" even played.
A great, great pity. This game is visually BEAUTIFUL and that makes it doubly annoying to play.
Lmao 💀 there is no murderer. Everyone involved, especially your character is suffering from psychosis. After a bunch of changes it can make people go crazy. That voice is not real. If you figure that out by the end and say green did it, instead of "murderer" when talking to Sara in the slums then you unlock the good ending.
Also the noir cliche dialogue is literally so camp
@@fuglong I get what the Devs was going for but how the heck would anyone have figured out there was no actual murderer at that point?
The game was great, 8/10 but the ending could've been done/explained better.
@@taylorchinery6654 well, there were. greene and kovalev. there was no hidden murderer. but it was obvious. you literally saw it on cameras in greene's secret room. and during last analysis you were told he got out of redroom and killed himself. game tells you how world works. you can transfer your mind/personality stored in ichorite into one's body. it is not that killer can magically occupy somene's mind and body, make him do what he wants, including killing host and again, magically go back to his own mind/body. we allowed that because this is cliche from other popcultural pieces. so since greene offed himself, it was by his own actions (minus being mental to some degree). there were some small pieces suggesting there may be consciousness when bodies are sleeping, but those were red herrings. and again we extrapolate this from our other real world experiences.
@@taylorchinery6654 I think that's what devs wanted for you to realise at the the end you were manipulated by the voice and then replay the game knowing this so you can get the good ending.
Also even if the decisions seem morally "good" in the end you contribute to another decades upon decades of suffering for the poor and are another dog of the system that additionally got manipulated by voice in his head
The game is great, got the Movie Blade Runner vibe numerous times, but the ending is some garbage. At the end, the game rolls into you saving a lesbian and dying yourself for nothing. In fact some super pointless endings, the villain lives, the protagonist dies for nothing, saving a generally unknown person you don't even have sympathy for. I think they could have done better, then it would have been a 10/10 game. In fact, 98% of the choices in the game don't affect the ending at all. Also, all the endings are pretty much the same, no other way, nothing, you either die, die or die, even in the “incubator” ending, you're told by Sara that you're there forever.
Arthur Morgan saving friend John Marston, by sacrificing himself in RDR 2, with whom we went through the entire game was done wonderfully and justified. But saving some unknown lesbian friend at the risk of my life It's kind of weird. So we end up dying for a shell, just a body so Sara can be beautiful again? That's ridiculous. Why should I die for Sara old body? Why do I even want to die for her? I'd die for my wife, but she's already dead. The developers could have at least given me a reason to die. But there's no reason. That's my opinion, you may have a different one. I just think the main character deserved a better ending than this Even if he had died at the end.
…wasn't she trying to find a way to save her sister?
@@tidaltown Yeah i know that. But why do I care? The protagonist has known Sara for about three days and has never even seen Sara's friend. If this game is a game with choices, why not give me as a player a choice. And why should I die for her friend? The ending is literally about you saving a body shell - It doesn't change anything.. All I'm saying is that the ending could have been more emotional and made more sense. Again going back to RDR, I knew what Arthur Morgan was risking for - for his "family", for his “brother” John, but what is the protagonist in this game risking for here? It's not clear to me.
Maybe Sara character is made in a way that doesn't allow you to soak up sympathy for her. Maybe the fact that her friend was not revealed as a character at all and we don't know anything about her and we don't know what we die for in the end. I don't know, for me personally, the whole thing could have been done better. But still, I enjoyed the game. It's a great, interesting game with a pretty good story, but with a silly ending. Reminds me of Telltale games.
You do realize that the entire point of the game and its ending was that the weight of living forever was corrupting people. We saw this first with Green in the tapes with Salma (final board) and the ending of the game was us killing ourselves to avoid becoming a true monster and a slave to the ichorite (stranger in our head)
@insa6990 what struck me as odd is that stranger said in bad ending. That he'll get acess to minds of millions. At first I thought he was after knowledge and connections psychologist had. But then I realized it was a ploy. What he really wanted is for main character to survive and get him into the bank so he can infect with his psychosis everyone. There must be someone with secrets and skeletons in their closets inside that bank. And he will be able to acess them no matter how tight they are locked up.
and didnt she said she's pregnant?
Very good game with shit endings
One of the most worst ending 💩💩
New game plus?
No, that's for RPGs.
@@manugames92 lol okay bud
who is murderer ? this is the big problem of this game The most important mystery is not solved the 4 endings are all similar apart from the fate of Sara and Taylor
These 2 things ruin all the fun the game can have
The game revealed who it was, it just didn't outright tell you.
The murderer is mental illness my man not to spoil it or anything but that "murderer" voice is just the main character going insane
@@fuglong If that’s it’s very badly explain
So Green killed himself and Kovalew too
What about the snake symbol ?
and what about the Green and Kovalew plan ?
@@fuglong the main character would have killed his wife himself and after pursuit the dealer in the train to whom he would have given the poison
I want him to forget his actions in a state of madness but it’s inconsistent
Beautiful graphisms. Terrible story and gameplay.
She could have been impregnated with Jame's baby BEFORE the body transfer . . . which would explain why she is so worried about saving her body. It's not the body she is worried about saving (after all bodies are just vessels for ichorite here), but the baby inside it.