Just what we need, a 1000cc dual sport 🤦🏻. Je-sus can someone just make a modern 450cc dual sport with long maintenance intervals. These designers are thinking too much, the differentiator in the market is in the 400cc-500cc dual sport range, with 310lbs weight or less.
Exactly, the market is crying for a 40 hp 300lb bike with a comfortable seat, 20L tank, good suspension and 4K oil changes. Instead we get this with the word enduro in the title.
No absolutely no David you must realize that Honda has a tradition to maintain and that is to be two years behind in anything advanced and the reason why I traded my CR f1000 African twin even up no money traded keys for keys for an xr1200 Harley Davidson that handles much better than a dirt road than the African twin I owned ever did after going through four different sets of tires to try to make it go on a dirt road without climbing the ditches and speed wobble so I fixed the problem with an XR 1200 Harley Davidson used that I traded for at a Honda dealership in Williamsport Pennsylvania who handed me the keys to the Harley and I handed them the keys today Africa twin that's all hype and no go no handling all bs and very glad I did as I'm having a ball playing with an XR 1200 Harley-Davidson that's just as powerful it's just as fast on top end but an extra feature as it will slide sideways on every gravel road in the country like Jay Springsteen did and you can forget about trying that on the Africa twin unless you have White knuckles of grip and want to take a chance on skinning it up to make it worse even more zero than at zero is already and good luck with your next hype bike that will weigh 500 lb with most of that being above the center of gravity haha hehe ho ho
I'm hoping on a 490 adventure R for this role although it's still gonna be a bit chunky. We have no solid middle ground bikes, you either get an enduro that can't do shit on the highway or long travel within reason. Or a 500lbs adv bike and that's the small ones. SWM makes an okayish middle ground, light adv but based on ancient and inferior designs. 90's Husqvarna frames.
They can't even make a 300 under 300 lbs .. But I agree. How about a bike able to do some highway and be less weight than a CB500 with an additional 2 or 3 inches travel? A 490 ktm adventure at 400 lbs Even would suit me.
I hope they're focussed on the smaller displacement AT. Building a 1100cc enduro bike will appeal to a smaller market than the 700-800 AT that many have been asking for, and other manufacturers have already delivered on and found much success.
@@ianboggiowoll4152 Oh yeah - that is a REALLY good idea - it would be the only one of its kind - A brand new category. Plus it could have various derivatives - Super-motard, Enduro, ADV/Dual purpose. Or just leave the variant mods up to 3rd party companies.
700-750cc, 70hp, 300 lbs, 2 cylinder, lower gravity center should be a good aim for Honda to compete with the T7 I think ... And another one should be within the 500cc to compete with that KTM 500 exc beast.
Just drop the 450L engine into a chassis like the Africa twin. The 450L enduro chassis is too dirt, while the Aftica Twin is too heavey. Marry those two together & take the whole market!
This is old news and it has never materialised , never say never but after 6 years I kind of doubt we will ever see this , btw 700 - 800 cc lighter version would be a better idea 😇
Beautiful shape. Terminoni woohoo.. Will get this enduro sports rather than the adventure sports. Already the latter looks lighter and more agile than the GS.
I'm disappointed, my fault sorry I thought 800.. 850 cc and around 200 kg .. l absolutely love the look of the bike.. it's just not what I'm looking forward to ..
The Bikes look is amazing ( RED BLACK & Brushed Aluminum) Wish Honda would adopt that graphic for the 2023 Africa Twin Adventure Sport.... BTW Keep an eye on which side the Chain and Exhaust goes on your future Editing hahahahaha I thought Honda was running a BMW BRP motor for a moment hahahahaha
The person who made the video has tried to make it look like they have more footage and images of the bike than they actually do by mirroring images they've already shown. That's why the "Honda" logo in the background is the wrong way round @ 0:36.
Dont know where you pulled specs from, but that bike in the video has the tall one piece rally seat and taller suspension that the standard bike so it DOES NOT have a lower seat height than the standard bike.
HONDA XR400 ONLY WEIGHS 131KG, & BUILT IN THE 80'S OR SO WOW, DESIGN THIS SUPER BIKE IT'S INCREDIBLE TOUGH & RELIABLE & FULLY FUNCTIONAL TO OUR RIDING NEEDS HONDA ...
You lost me at DCT. That just means it's going to be not nearly as much fun to romp on, much more expensive to repair and probably cost substantially more up front
a lighter more stripped down more off road & performance oriented Africa twin without so much (or any) computer nanny nonsense ?? take my money already !!
They need to revamp the XR650R range for dual sport/enduro riding. This one looks like a poser to me, low seat height, short suspension travel, must weight over 380lbs dry...no thank you. Looks ok though.
I don’t think we’ll see it. Honda has been very conservative with styling and performance for quite some time. Focus seemingly more about middle of the road style. I had an AT. Very good bike I sold it for a KTM 1290. It borders on lunacy. That fits me better than meh. Just my 2 cents
slope forward seat = worst ergonomic ever if u ever touch the dirt. Low seat means harder to standup, and slope means easier to slide down when smooth terrain starts to get rough. If sloped forward seat is better, Enduro/MX/XC/Rally bikes wouldn't have flat bench shaped seat. Shorter riders who complain about seat height should go back to their moped or sport bike. None of the shorter guys i know who *actually* ride dirt bike ever complained about it. It takes skill to ride, not flat-footing and waddle
sign me up already if this is real , basic like the T7 without all the computer nanny nonsense , a stripped light weight bare bones more off road oriented A.T....
It's a fairytale, 6 months ago all these honda insiders said we'd have a AT 800/850. And still nothing from Honda, untill I see official docs from Honda. It's all just a fairytale.
The footage is from EICMA 2016 - the exact same event Yamaha introduced the T7 project. Seems like Honda knew exactly that the Enduro Sports would but could never compete with that bike. That has to do with that fabulous and versatile 700cc CP-motor Yamaha can occupy cost effectivly almost every mid-sized bike market segment with. Honda has nothing that comes near that. Lets face it - Honda´s strategy will not allow a modern Trans Alp in the near future. Besides it is not a coincident that Ducati put their new Desert X in the exact same market segment as the new 2022 CRF1100L Africa Twin - Adventure Sports ES. Hard times for Honda in that segment...
Ridiculous movie with CRF450 jumping actions, and crf1100 just rolling on sand. It is said 1100 but sticker on the bike says 1000. No indication of weight, I doubt it is under 200kg wet, so ktm890R will continue to sell.
1000cc Enduro? Who have they signed to race it in the enduros... Can't imagine any of the top riders will quit their 300cc two smokers to race a 4stoke 1100cc touring bike. Sorry for the sarcasm but why label it Enduro
Stupid design.. they lower a rally bike seat????? dumb dumb dumb. The AT is already Too low and for what is supposed be an off-road bike you lower the seat even more???????/ And it should have been 750cc and 2+ more suspension travel than the AT.
Hi all, Is this bike needed?.... will it water down the Africa Twin range to much? as usual all comments welcome 👍
When can we get the crf1100? I'm on a crf450R supermoto. Need me a bigun
weighing like a Tank, super high seat, expensive...yeah sure, it's the bike that everyone needs.
@@ripmax333 ofc! Cost doesnt matter, Norways most sold bike is the R1250GS with R1250GSA on 2nd place ;p
@@filtern god bless Norway then, wages must be really good there.
Love my Africa twin and it's super capable. But would love to check one of these out when they arrive.
Just what we need, a 1000cc dual sport 🤦🏻. Je-sus can someone just make a modern 450cc dual sport with long maintenance intervals. These designers are thinking too much, the differentiator in the market is in the 400cc-500cc dual sport range, with 310lbs weight or less.
Exactly, the market is crying for a 40 hp 300lb bike with a comfortable seat, 20L tank, good suspension and 4K oil changes. Instead we get this with the word enduro in the title.
@@mikeisland7382 yeah i know, id trade in my dr650 and buy that immediately if someone would simply manufacture it
No absolutely no David you must realize that Honda has a tradition to maintain and that is to be two years behind in anything advanced and the reason why I traded my CR f1000 African twin even up no money traded keys for keys for an xr1200 Harley Davidson that handles much better than a dirt road than the African twin I owned ever did after going through four different sets of tires to try to make it go on a dirt road without climbing the ditches and speed wobble so I fixed the problem with an XR 1200 Harley Davidson used that I traded for at a Honda dealership in Williamsport Pennsylvania who handed me the keys to the Harley and I handed them the keys today Africa twin that's all hype and no go no handling all bs and very glad I did as I'm having a ball playing with an XR 1200 Harley-Davidson that's just as powerful it's just as fast on top end but an extra feature as it will slide sideways on every gravel road in the country like Jay Springsteen did and you can forget about trying that on the Africa twin unless you have White knuckles of grip and want to take a chance on skinning it up to make it worse even more zero than at zero is already and good luck with your next hype bike that will weigh 500 lb with most of that being above the center of gravity haha hehe ho ho
I'm hoping on a 490 adventure R for this role although it's still gonna be a bit chunky. We have no solid middle ground bikes, you either get an enduro that can't do shit on the highway or long travel within reason. Or a 500lbs adv bike and that's the small ones. SWM makes an okayish middle ground, light adv but based on ancient and inferior designs. 90's Husqvarna frames.
They can't even make a 300 under 300 lbs .. But I agree. How about a bike able to do some highway and be less weight than a CB500 with an additional 2 or 3 inches travel? A 490 ktm adventure at 400 lbs Even would suit me.
I hope they're focussed on the smaller displacement AT. Building a 1100cc enduro bike will appeal to a smaller market than the 700-800 AT that many have been asking for, and other manufacturers have already delivered on and found much success.
Agreed - If it doesn't have 'ride-by-wire' I'd definitely consider buying one :)
Same ,xr600 revamp, aprilia has tuareg 660 now.
@@ianboggiowoll4152 I'm not a huge fan of singles - but the old XR range is so good. Always wanted an XR650.
Xr600 2 cilynder that is
@@ianboggiowoll4152 Oh yeah - that is a REALLY good idea - it would be the only one of its kind - A brand new category. Plus it could have various derivatives - Super-motard, Enduro, ADV/Dual purpose. Or just leave the variant mods up to 3rd party companies.
Looks impressive but let's have a 400lb 750cc ish and then we're getting closer to the unicorn machine we all want .
Stop looking for unicorns. Even children know they don't exist.
KLR 650
@@OldeDog_NewTricks
A unicorn is actually a rhinoceros .
How about 344 lbs, 74 hp & 700cc ish??? Oh wait I have that unicorn.
I have always wanted to add a AT to the garage 🤙
@@JS-ny8sn
KTM 690 ?
go back start again and make sure you use a 750cc
Wow, very approachable seat height @31 inches, surely will open to a lot of buyers. But not sure if I believe that for a dirt oriented bike.
We want a new transalp
But not a heavy plastic fairing model! Offroad style please.
Hopefully the new transalp looks like this.
700-750cc, 70hp, 300 lbs, 2 cylinder, lower gravity center should be a good aim for Honda to compete with the T7 I think ...
And another one should be within the 500cc to compete with that KTM 500 exc beast.
Couldent agree more Gee what u ribing at the moment
They need to focus on mid range bikes now ,180kgs or so ...
Yeah a Africa twin 900 cc would be much better with the DTC gear box too the 1100 cc is to heavy for my liking.
The newer KLR ticks more boxes. Back to basics can appeal so much more.
Just drop the 450L engine into a chassis like the Africa twin. The 450L enduro chassis is too dirt, while the Aftica Twin is too heavey. Marry those two together & take the whole market!
That's a stripped down 1000 custom not a new model as it should be but it's closer to what's needed. Still likely a little heavy.
Great looking bike, i want one
You and me both!
The Look is awesome- bring it Honda 😎✌👏
Why not use the engine of the cb500x and make a enduro bike from that still waiting for the unicorn machine
I think I will buy a set of those footpegs for my 2001 KLR650 and call it done!
This bike will be worthy competitor for the Tenere 700. With the specs you indicated, I would surey choose the Honda.
Heavier, more expensive, too many electronics. Pass
men I wish that they will build an 2stroke Enduro bikes
This is old news and it has never materialised , never say never but after 6 years I kind of doubt we will ever see this , btw 700 - 800 cc lighter version would be a better idea 😇
Very nice... but just bring back the XR650
I wish they would it was a great bike
Beautiful shape. Terminoni woohoo.. Will get this enduro sports rather than the adventure sports. Already the latter looks lighter and more agile than the GS.
God points well put
What is the Weight?
I'm disappointed, my fault sorry I thought 800.. 850 cc and around 200 kg .. l absolutely love the look of the bike.. it's just not what I'm looking forward to ..
Great looking bike may be the benchmark in 1000cc enduros
Beautiful bike! They just need a 750 and a 350 of this' and they would Own a Huge market share!
I would love to see a 750 come out
How was edited this video to show inverse images in line with regular ones making the chain appears on the right hand side of the bike ??? (at 4:26)
⚠️ WE NEED A NEW TRANSALP ⚠️
The Bikes look is amazing ( RED BLACK & Brushed Aluminum) Wish Honda would adopt that graphic for the 2023 Africa Twin Adventure Sport.... BTW Keep an eye on which side the Chain and Exhaust goes on your future Editing hahahahaha I thought Honda was running a BMW BRP motor for a moment hahahahaha
Lol Only the keen 👁 soots things like that!
Stay upright Mark
Cheers MikeDanger
Engine is too big. a 600-700cc will sell a lot better
Which side is the chain? It’s not important but this video shows it changing from side to side.
Twin chain no rear brakes don't you know... Lol
Left side
2 BIKES FEATURED HERE. Chain keeps switching from LH side to RH side.
The person who made the video has tried to make it look like they have more footage and images of the bike than they actually do by mirroring images they've already shown. That's why the "Honda" logo in the background is the wrong way round @ 0:36.
What about a kickstand on the right side?
Very appealing,beautiful !
450lb enduro bike? I don't think so.
That would just be plain stupid 🙈😂
They better make a CRF 500l Rally with around 160kg. That would be a stand out bike with no real competitors.
@@SeppiMaulwurf This bike exists and it's called EXC 500. Different brand though.
Nice looking bike
5* for description and presentation!
Single disc front? Is that enough.
You make a good point sheldon
They need to do something simular with the xr650r engine geared taller.
That would be a good call
Just a concept bike. Why was motocross footage mixed in? Are they intimating it's similar to a 450R? Yeah right.
I'll have one thanks
Dont know where you pulled specs from, but that bike in the video has the tall one piece rally seat and taller suspension that the standard bike so it DOES NOT have a lower seat height than the standard bike.
You should show more of CRF 450 lol !
Why I see crf 250 450 and 1000. This bike on that configuration never been on production
With the bike market the way it is, I'm never excited to hear "it has everything" because that just means I'll never afford it.
HONDA XR400 ONLY WEIGHS 131KG, & BUILT IN THE 80'S OR SO WOW, DESIGN THIS SUPER BIKE IT'S INCREDIBLE TOUGH & RELIABLE & FULLY FUNCTIONAL TO OUR RIDING NEEDS HONDA ...
You lost me at DCT. That just means it's going to be not nearly as much fun to romp on, much more expensive to repair and probably cost substantially more up front
You should test drive an Africa Twin DCT. I think you'd be surprised!
Whouah 🙌🏼
Bizarre! Why does this video show the chain swopping side?
nice one Honda
I like my tdub!
At 4:20 he says that the rear disc is 456mm,
WTF????
I don't think so. .....
The bike should weight far less then 200 kg wet to have a competitive edge for the ADV community.
Your probably right Sky
Love it!
You figures/dimensions you quote are way off. How would it have a rear Disc that is 456mm? Suspension travel 107mm.....is it a scooter,😂
I was shocked also.
Yes the 107mm over pegged my BS meter to the point it no longer works! LOL
I think he said 170mm but still...
a lighter more stripped down more off road & performance oriented Africa twin without so much (or any) computer nanny nonsense ?? take my money already !!
Привет из Украины. Это супер ! 👍
А я считаю что новая африка убогая. Как проложен выхлоп это вообще фигня китайская какая-то.
MOTOCICLETA É VIDA. HONDA CRF AFRICA TWIN 1100 MUITO MAIS
They need to revamp the XR650R range for dual sport/enduro riding. This one looks like a poser to me, low seat height, short suspension travel, must weight over 380lbs dry...no thank you. Looks ok though.
I've had a lot of comments saying that
good call grom
They can't deliver bikes that they already make..
I don’t think we’ll see it. Honda has been very conservative with styling and performance for quite some time. Focus seemingly more about middle of the road style. I had an AT. Very good bike I sold it for a KTM 1290. It borders on lunacy. That fits me better than meh. Just my 2 cents
And your 2 cents is always welcome at this channel
Crazy how exhaust& chain keep switching sides!?😕👎
Lol i know its weard isn't it
Until next time stay upright Richard 😉
Cheers
MikeDanger
Give me full mettalic black with subtle red accents and gold front fork, i will pay 30k for this thing 😁
Ffs just want the 450 road legal version. I’ll stick to my KTM790R for now 🤦🏼♂️
I like this better than the African Twin… I think I’ll call it the American Twin.
slope forward seat = worst ergonomic ever if u ever touch the dirt. Low seat means harder to standup, and slope means easier to slide down when smooth terrain starts to get rough. If sloped forward seat is better, Enduro/MX/XC/Rally bikes wouldn't have flat bench shaped seat.
Shorter riders who complain about seat height should go back to their moped or sport bike. None of the shorter guys i know who *actually* ride dirt bike ever complained about it. It takes skill to ride, not flat-footing and waddle
Not if you are a girl LOL Seat hight is great but 4.2" of front travel ??? Really???
Watch. This will be the new transalp but with Hondas new 755cc engine.
Smiles on the faces of all the big red pig riders everywhere. Finally a worthy replacement
15 liter tank . way to small
why couldn't this be a 700 or 850cc bike?
sign me up already if this is real , basic like the T7 without all the computer nanny nonsense , a stripped light weight bare bones more off road oriented A.T....
looks to me the new 2022 Honda cb500x is more for me
So what does it weigh?
You can make this build with the africa queens shop. I think their project was sub 440lbs.
@@rodirsno that is light and a lot of weight saving over standard.
Has to be a misprint, 107mm front travel has got to be Wrong??????
It's a fairytale, 6 months ago all these honda insiders said we'd have a AT 800/850. And still nothing from Honda, untill I see official docs from Honda. It's all just a fairytale.
The footage is from EICMA 2016 - the exact same event Yamaha introduced the T7 project. Seems like Honda knew exactly that the Enduro Sports would but could never compete with that bike. That has to do with that fabulous and versatile 700cc CP-motor Yamaha can occupy cost effectivly almost every mid-sized bike market segment with. Honda has nothing that comes near that. Lets face it - Honda´s strategy will not allow a modern Trans Alp in the near future. Besides it is not a coincident that Ducati put their new Desert X in the exact same market segment as the new 2022 CRF1100L Africa Twin - Adventure Sports ES. Hard times for Honda in that segment...
If it came like shown here stock. Then they would have a winner. But it wont.
Ridiculous movie with CRF450 jumping actions, and crf1100 just rolling on sand. It is said 1100 but sticker on the bike says 1000. No indication of weight, I doubt it is under 200kg wet, so ktm890R will continue to sell.
lol I guess a subs out of the question then?😉
Stay upright Gilles.
Noticed them jumps too :-)
1000cc Enduro? Who have they signed to race it in the enduros... Can't imagine any of the top riders will quit their 300cc two smokers to race a 4stoke 1100cc touring bike.
Sorry for the sarcasm but why label it Enduro
Good point well put Hadrian
😳😳😳😳😱😱😱
Seems like a chunky lard bike. How come it’s not light weight? Give us a beefier crf450, not a huge ass one ☝️
Seat too low .they need 450 w. The same styling ..
This bike never be start on rally its to heavy and have high fuel consumption, second dificult quick access to maitanance
31-1/2” seat height just sold me.
Left like this I'd buy one . But Honda will fuck it up
too big engine and too heavy ,700 - 750 should be ok
Each to there own i guess
Хонда Африка Твин 1100 2018 г.супер мотоцикл, Хонда Африка Твин 2022 уже не такой харизматичный мотоцикл, к сожалению
Is this a thing? Dont play with me now
Weak looking single front brake caliper!
You are probably right but it may get changed if it goes into production
Automatic transmission it’s not good thing ..
Stupid design.. they lower a rally bike seat????? dumb dumb dumb. The AT is already Too low and for what is supposed be an off-road bike you lower the seat even more???????/ And it should have been 750cc and 2+ more suspension travel than the AT.
Definatly needs better suspension