Massey Ferguson 1080, and a whole lot of ugly.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ค. 2024
- A quick walkaround of the 1080 with a look at it's not so good points and its bad points.
This should have been posted several hours ago but problems with editing software (how hard is it to produce decent editing software?)
Apologies for the wind noise and bad editing, but I was getting a little irked with the whole process by the end of it. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Please give her some love!! We've had 1080s here in Southwestern Ontario Canada, they were a nice tractor, just a nice-sized very handy, she's not ugly just needs a little makeup LOL
Don't worry, she'll get plenty of love. Thanks for watching.
My brother has owned his 1080 diesel loader tractor with a Dual loader with heavy duty 4 tine grapple fork and 8 foot loader bucket since 2015. It has been a great tractor and it is only $800 for an aftermarket 3 pt. hitch for it.
I think the US built ones were more reliable than the French bult ones, which had a very poor reputation. Luckily mine is a US built one.
Corn carting with 1080 and 1100 with Week"s trailers epic. 2x 625 Massey combine's. Great memories.
That was quite a setup in those days, thanks for watching.
The 1080 without cab, and lights on its front, is very beautiful tractor
The cab is off now, it's much better looking 🙂
Have to say that is a beautiful find. I think I've only ever seen 1 in person at a vintage show around 5 years ago. Definitely will be curious to see what is to come. If I were you I'd consider keeping it for a while
I can't believe I only paid for it by the ton!
Thanks for watching.
The 1080 I looked at a few years ago was a square axle, still dry brakes.
No idea what year it was but newer than yours I guess.
Good luck with the shoulder.
I think they were made from 1969 to 1974, and I believe that from 71 they had square axles.
Thanks!
Only ever worked on a 1080 once when I was a fairly green apprentice. Tractor had been apart to repair the gearbox and the fitter and I were re-assembling it. We had just refitted the top cover on the gearbox and then had a lunchbreak. As the 'boy', I was given the job of refitting all the cab floor tinwork. Never seen so many bits of tin and nuts and bolts!!. The fitter took it for a spin round the yard and found the Multipower didn't work properly. Turns out the internal MP pipe was only finger tight. I learnt how to take the floor out in quick time that day.
Good story 😂, thank you for sharing it. I have worked on several 595s but this is my first 1000 series. There is a lot more platform on it than the 100s.
Thanks for watching.
It is truly a project, Clarence
It is, and I have too many already 😂
I did toy with the idea of a 1080 a while back but the wife vetod it! Just remember they are not ugly' it's character! Good luck with the shoulder I am awaiting a new knee, I know how frustrating it is.
Thanks for watching and good luck with the knee.
Very early US built MF 1080s had the same round rear trumpets as earlier British MF 165/175 tractors (also some earlier MF 178s). Outer Ring Gear larger by about an inch over the smaller tractors in the range, however and outer hub was heavier duty. Also had dry brakes initially. Crown wheel and pinion different ratio to smaller MF 100 series. Not sure when square trumpets came in for US built MF 1080 but these too initially had dry brakes, switching to later wet brakes at some point, which were far superior. Although the square trumpets look same as Banner Lane trumpets, they are in fact about an inch longer, with thicker walls, and a double hole lug on underside of trumpet casting to maintain correct linkage geometry when fitted with 38" rear tyres, which at least in Europe was the standard fitment choice. US market had more different tyre choices. Would say all evidence definitely points to an original US built machine.
Quite how it ended up in France, if indeed that was the case, is anybodys guess. Perhaps sent over (less cab) so French MF Engineers could tailor the machine more specifically for the European Market, which the front light position and type of fitting would strongly suggest in this instance.
The front of the US style fenders would have had a vertical plate attached to the front underside, with provision for two holes and lamps, one dip, one full beam. This would have accommodated lighting regs in US but not Europe, hence why these plates have been removed. As on the homologation process for the MF 1100 brought to Britain 2 years earlier, these plates were simply blanked off and lights mounted further forward and lower down on sides of Front Grille. The mounting plates add to the mechanical strength and rigidity of the US style fender.
You are indeed correct about the engine with regard to cylinder head issues. Also independant PTO clutch packs could be problematic. If one could transplant an A4-3182 engine from the original MF 698 tractor, the head issues were pretty much sorted by then. MF 698 phased out and replaced by MF 698T for reasons of standardisation of parts and reduction in number of different specific parts. This change saw the deletion of not only the A4-3182 engine but also the Front Bolster which was specific to MF 1080/1085/595 tractors only, with no commonality with anything else. Principal engine dimensions identical between the two engine marks (ie 1 & 2)
Centre Housing whilst looking identical to Banner Lane items, is in fact different internally, due to the PTO drive arrangement. Principal dimensions externally however do match Banner Lane dimensions for equivilent part, externally.
MF 1080/1100/1130 front cap for bonnet was common to all 3 three tractors - MF 1150 had similar style bonnet cap but wider to accommodate the wider bonnet dimensions necessary to cover the wider V8 engine used in that tractor. There were some metal versions of the bonnet caps but most were made of a plastic polymer similar to that used for plastic car bumpers. Front Axle Mid Beam identical across all 4 tractors, only the outer 'arms' on the MF 1080 were smaller section, lighter duty items compared to equivilent MF 1100/1130/1150 items.
Ouch! I dislocated and broke my right shoulder when I was 16. Now at near 63 I am thinking I am going to have to break down and go see my orthopedic surgeon. It has more to do with diminishing mobility and pain. I hate to think what a day of pass shooting waterfowl would be like, something I did back when I should have been getting physical therapy after the injury.
I wish I had held onto the Massey 85 I got from a friend's mother. It was one his Dad's tractors and had sat for a number of years. It went to the scrapper when I realized I did not have a place to work on it and my local tractor shop wasn't interested in taking it on for me.
If only we had paid more attention years ago, This shoulder is the result of many years driving a Matbro Teleram. The hydraulic levers had to be operated at arms length and by the end of the silage season I had a permanent burning pain in my right shoulder that took months to go away. It's the loss of mobility and pain that gets me too. I also have permanent tinitis from many years shooting and operating machinery without ear protection. Ah, the follies of youth!
Something like the loss of your 85 is what started me off collecting too. We only have the one go at life, might as well squeeze what we can from it.
Thanks for watching.
You'll love it I'm sure. I had been looking for a 1080 for years but wanted an untouched original tractor. I found one last year and love it. It would be interesting to see the build plate on the panel below the steering wheel. Mine is French built (2900hrs 1968) but all the writing on the controls is in French and it has headlamps on the grill. I will be watching with interest. Keep up the great work. I may have to do a short vid of mine to compare.
Thanks for the info! This one is definitely American built to American spec, but exported to France officially. I would be interested to see any pictures or video of yours. Is yours round axle or square axle?
Thanks for watching
@@ClarenceFudWeasel I will pop up to the farm and get a walk around loaded up.
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had early and later versions in NZ plus the late 4x4
Great video, I'm sure it will look good after you finished with it, hope the shoulder gets sorted out soon. Make sure you supervise lord muck or it a be down the scrap yard.
I think he's ok with this one at the moment 😂. Thanks for watching.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel Probably likes it because it's got blue paint on it, lol...
As you say once you remove the ugly there is something really nice underneath. As for rotator cuffs, friends daughter who is into gymnastics hurt hers, it is repairable, as with all things may take a bit of time to recover. Shame Agriline can't do you a new rotator cuff as easy as the linkage.
It's been over three months already, and they tell me it could be up to a year and maybe need surgery. Pretty sure it's the result of many years Matbro driving.
The 1080 is really growing on me 🙂 Thanks for watching.
Fine video Clarence 1080 is an unusual beast never seen one here in Ni I drove a 595 back in the early 90s but wasn't impressed liked the smaller 500 series alot better keep up the good work and good luck with the scan👍
I was never a fan of the 1080, and yet here I am. I had several 595 over the years and never thought much of them then, always thought the 590 turbo a much better proposition.
Thanks for watching.
That looks very close to Fordson blue - I thought you might have 'made the change'
Anyway, be good to see her going again. Glad to see you back Mr FW
Thank you sir! The blue bits will be just a memory before long.
I used one of those on a forager and also a mower conditioner, but it's main use was for drilling and hedge cutting . Late 70s. She was ok, then she was superceded by aJohnDeere 4020, that was a fair machine
They weren't great, but I have grown to like it.
Actually watched these videos out of sink and I've seen the will it start. You've had a right result I reckon and I like it mr Fud. Very good 👍👍👍
Thanks for watching, I am very pleased with it too.
Looking forward to seeing this done, like you said not as bad as it looks.
Thanks for watching, I hope to have some progress to show soon
Enjoyed the video as always. Thanks.👍
Thanks for watching.
i worked for an agricultural contractor in the late 1960s/1970s, we had many massey fergusons including 2 x 1080's, a second hand one in 1972 and a new one in 1975. The second hand one had all sorts of faults, including head gasket failures. The new one had the multi power fail on the first day out, the head gasket failed after about 2 years and damaged the head and the block. The older 1080 was very noisy, the newer one was slightly less noisy. These were "my" tractors, I used them on direct drilling ( about 3000 acres a year in those days), ploughing with 5 x 14.s Ransomes conventional
plough, forage harvesting and a lot of muck cart. They were undoubtedly the worst of all the M.F.s we had and I was happy when I moved onto a John Deere 4240 in 1978.
They weren't a great tractor, I would agree. And the wet sleeve engine was not Perkins finest by a long stretch. I decided to keep it as a curiosity because there are so few surviving in England. Interestingly, while they still had their problems, the US built ones were not nearly as bad as the French ones like you had and I might have. (Really not sure at the moment), looking at mine I am starting to wonder if mine is US built but badged French.
Your 1975 one must have been offloaded by the dealer at a good price because it was after the launch of the 595 and they must have wanted to shift the old models.. Mind you, the 595 wasn't a lot better!
Thanks for watching.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel The old 1080 had got so bad, no brakes at all and we did a lot of road work, so I gave my boss a week to organise its full repair or replace it, the new one arrived and the next week the new 595,s arrived in the dealer. At the the time I was disappointed as I thought the cab would be quieter on the 595.So, yes, I think he got a what looked like a good deal on the 1080 , but with what happened to the engine 2 years later it wasn,t so good. At the same time as the 1080's we also had a John Deere 3130 and an International 955, both were better tractors than the 1080.
you should look around on the Danish tractor scrapers. i think the 1080 was more common there, i tried looking on Økonomideler (Norwegian Agri line type of deal) and there are no "body panels" on there sadly.
I'll give that a try too. Thanks for watching.
Hope the scan goes well and you get some answers. Nice tractor
Thanks, and thanks for watching.
Great find there. Here's hoping your shoulder gets sorted out quickly and keep an eye on Lord Muck that cheeky devil.
Thanks for coming over.
You do have to keep an eye on him, take your eyes off him for two minutes and you would not believe the mischief he can perpetrate 😂
There's a place here in Kentucky that has a couple of them. They are called Arnett Tractor Parts in Greensburg Kentucky. May be able to ship parts to the UK.
Thanks Rob, I'll calling them on Monday.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel hopefully they have what you need! They have tracked down parts that I have needed for my own classic Masseys
Hope the shoulder is better soon
Not being a 1080 fan I wasn't too excited about this, until, you pointed out it's got multi power, and that is a really nice driving position, really must have been the absolute dogs bits in 1969
There was one not far from me in the 1970s, but like the 595, they never really did it for me either. It was there at the right price and it has grown on me.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel bit like the 4 cylinder 35, I used to hate them, easy start every day but now 25 years later I've got a bit of a soft spot for them
I've watched lord muck get your tractor started the look on his face was priceless 😎 well I have to say it absolutely runs a treat I've now subscribed to your channel cos I'm totally hooked on the 1080. Nothing wrong with putting your own mark I do that to all off my projects I don't worry what people say cos I'm happy 😊
Thanks for joining in. You'll see plenty of 1080 over the next few months and I have other projects too (mostly red ones) that I hope you'll enjoy.
I wonder what is the story behind the tractor, it looks very much American built, with US style weight bracket, cast centers and gauges. And fenders of course. Maybe they shipped them from Detroit to France before they went to production in Beauvais? This is not first I've seen like this, there is one similar with 4wd conversion for sale in Ebay right now.
I was wondering the same thing, were they imported to fulfil orders before the French production line was ready? Mine is a round axle so quite an early one, so is the ebay one. I had noticed the over priced example there but not taken in the fenders and wheels etc. but you are right, clearly a US made one. But the axle is not standard. It looks like a side drive Four Wheel Traction conversion. The French ones had a centre drive Cat 3 front axle like my 590 has. I'm trying to find out more. Thanks for your input.
I think with a bit of work it will look less ugly. 👍
I agree. I think it's worth putting the effort into.
Can’t wait to see it restored, even if it’s not original spec, I like owners put their own spec on tractors.
I agree, if I find an interesting modification or a really good farm repair, I try to leave them there, it's part of the machine's story.
Thanks for watching.
Beautiful machine! you can just order a new lamp bracket in france. All available
I work in France and Belgium quite frequently, can you recommend anybody?
Thanks for watching.
Interesting and unusual. Probably worth keeping?...
It's growing on me. I don't think it will go far now...
Good evening Mr Fud-Weasel... Very interesting story how you elaborate how you've came across your new acquisition that you and Cowfarmer Dan have secretly known . I'm sure Kurt will oblige of persuading of meaning of life on the engine (he always gets things going as well as you and I know).... I personally wouldn't listen to critic's about what is wrong or ill-equipped as far as I'm concerned as you've explained...... an interesting introduction of your acquisition, it will be an educational and interesting video with the crew if Kurt and Kimberly and possibly Dan was involved too especially for encouragement. Thank you for your video. 🙂👍, I'm about to piss off a family member due making me VERY angry, again for the last two months, all the best Clearance sir.😁👍
Thanks for watching.
Ohhh... Before I forget, I hope your shoulder will healed soon and the medical team will help you, I do like baler video's..... especially square baler's and their knotter mechanisms. Have a great week Clarence. 🙂👍
I'll see what I can do. I do a few square bales most years with a John Deere 459.
A quirky old beast but l like it.
It's growing on me too. Thanks for watching.
If need some parts try Stoneyford tractor wreckers. They are in Australia
Thanks, I'll give them a call.
I actually really like the look of it. im sure a little bit of love given to it it will look a really good tractor.
That's just what I am aiming for. Thanks for watching.
9000 hrs on that engine be interesting to find out how many if any rebuilds it's had🤔 drove 595s and 698s both fitted with turbos not a success on the 595 but 698 was ok 👍 lookin forward to seein it running or not. 🤣
It's funny, as a generally horrible engine, there were a few that ran without too many problems. Maybe it's one of them. I'll let you know. The block serial number points to 1969 so it may be original. Most of the worst problems had been ironed out by the 698, but people weren't very confident in them by then. Thanks for watching.
I'd say looking at the paint difference those yank spec mudguards were fitted to accommodate the cab
Pretty sure you are right, I'll keep them on there though, I quite like the look. Thanks for watching.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel no problem!
Well wear Clarence, You'll make her all pretty again, look after Yourself Man👌👍😎
Thanks, and thanks for watching.
Very interesting tractor
Thanks, I thought it might be something a bit different.
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Thanks for watching
Here from the lord!!
I won't hold that against you 😉
Thanks for coming over, I hope you enjoy what you see.
@@ClarenceFudWeasel haha no worries fud!!😜👍
MF 1135 tractor tin work is not compatible with MF 1080 tin work - 2 totally different designs.
A few new bits have been fitted since.
I didn't say it was - on the later MF 1005 series tractors, the techniques used to produce the bonnets were different to those used for the production of the prior MF 1000 series, whose appearance were akin to MF 100 series on steriods, if you will. The MF 1000 series bonnet work consisted of a main left and right side panel, plus a long centre panel and short battery access panel. The dash surround consisted again of a left and right handed side panel and a short mid panel. The bonnet cap was also a seperate piece and either made from a single metal pressing, or more commonly from ABS Plastic which was also used to make more attractive car bumpers for example. As with cars, the ABS bonnet caps on tractors could withstand low impacts. US bonnets differed from UK MF 100 series tractors, where the bonnets were made of fewer seperate parts - only the lower side panels and lower nose cone were seperate, the rest of the bonnet was a one piece pressing, in two different lengths, to suit either the '5' line or '8' line models (MF 135 & MF 148s excepted - they used the same bonnet, exclusive to those two models).
As with the MF 500 series bonnets produced in both UK & France, the bonnet style of the later MF 1005 series was much simplified, in part to keep cost down, to partially offset the higher cost of the new style, monocoque constructed cabs, for both the European MF 500 series and US MF 1005 series tractors.
The styling for both of these latter ranges was hinted at with the introduction of the articulated MF 1500 & 1800 tractors, circa 1969, featuring the soon to be more widely used hard nose surround, painted silver.
@@jamesbarbour8400 You didn't say what was?
To me it's the older version of the mf 285 the American series
subscribed got you link from lord muck
Thanks for joining, I hope you find something of interest here.
That's the thing. Us builds are usually ugly. Some old John Deeres are extremely ugly
I think some new John Deere are pretty ugly too!
Thanks for watching.
@ClarenceFudWeasel oh absolutely! I like JD, but god all mighty. Some of their designs are very questionable.
if U can't make those parts yourself do U know some 1 who can U need some metal 2 do so and 4 hand brackets the same way 😊😊 OMG 9 29 2O23
Most parts I make myself, but I have friends who are handy too.