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@@IAMLiamwalker4444It depends whether you are speaking from an academic outside perspective, a wider Kabbalah perspective or a narrowed down to particular Typhonian perspective. The Qliphoth are absolutely NOT The Tunnels of Set to any group but The Typhonians in which case they are akin to the paths between the spheres. This idea functions to Typhonians just as much as Discordian rituals work for Discordians. They are not taken seriously by anyone else and are seen as either ignorant, insulting, offensive or dangerously delusional by most practitoners (as is most of Grant's work which entirely abused African Diaspora religions and misrepresented them to the point of unrecognition and furthered the myth of the of the Yazidis being devil worshippers which is no joke as it has, seriously, gotten people killed. These traditions can be fun and can be silly but don't be flippant. Read academics outside the wider tradition, academics specializing in the tradition, academics who are practitioners of the general tradition and practitioners of the general traditions specific tradition. Compare and contrast, experiment on your own, be intelligent, set aside biases, seek Truth, Wisdom and constant improvement for self, other and of the whole within and without.
Thanks for this so much as a Catholic who practices the golden dawn system for High magick and A Modern Traditional witchcraft/ American Hoodoo blend for lower workings this is great
Not questioning you being Catholic… but how do you juggle all that without being “caught”…. I’m Catholic too. What’s your way of doing so without someone finding out about your practices? I know the Catholic Church do “ritual” right in front of us per se…😂 But how do you do it?
I am very similar and one of my lovers recently opened up about her family having a passed down oral tradition of Catholic Voudou which was an amazing discussion to have had. Is there somewhere like reddit or discord we could communicate further?
Lol when I got into the occult I was also a Catholic then I went to some sort of gnostic practicing white magick with interests on Rosicrucianism... It was a mess. Then I became a Wiccan, and this was 2 yrs ago!
Absolutely fantastic overview lecture on hermetic Qabalah! My only very small criticism would be not mentioning Israel Regardie's massive influence on the delineation of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn to the world at large. His works are tantamount to western society's understanding of the Qabalah in both theory and practice today. I so enjoy your videos and all you bring to the understanding of esotericism in the modern age. Thank you!
Hi Angela! My oh my, 😮 😊 so professional and knowledgeable.😊 you present yourself in a commanding presence so that i have too listen and pay attention. This was an outstanding lecture you produced 😊, im glad i subscribed, and look forward to another chance to listen and learn from your podcast ❤😊. See you on the tube 😊😊😊
This reads very similarly to the Wikipedia page on the subject, except you've left out Eliphas Levi, who was the first to attibute Hebrew letters to the tarot trumps. Also, no mention of rabbi Akiva & Athanasius Kirchner the origins of the most common form of Otz Chiim in Hermetic Qabalah, which you haven't used.
Great in-depth video! I’m now curious if you would cover the CCRU in the future, specifically their invented alternative to the Qabbalah’s Tree of Life that is the Numogram 😬
Excellent overview. Perennialism gets stereotyped and misunderstood as undervaluing diversity and seeking to homogenize different cultures, when in reality most perennialists I've met deeply respect cultural differences while recognizing that all diversity is a finite expression of one infinite Reality. So, just because I believe we share all ultimately share a common source and that cross-cultural syncretization can be a good thing, that does not devalue individual or cultural uniqueness and differentiation. In my view, reunification with the Divine is one phase in an evolutionary death/rebirth cycle that involves both a phase of dissolution of the individual identity and separation from the world, as well as a phase of reintegration with embodied existence and individuated expression of the innate autonomy of consciousness. This cycle, which can take place on the levels of the physical body, of the subtle body (mind/energy), and of the causal body (subconscious), enables the gradual, embodied actualization of the omniscience and omnipotence of consciousness. I was blessed to study a bit about Jewish Kabbalah in an academic setting with a former Hasidic rabbi and current post-Jewish mystic, who told us that the Hasids believe that God is beyond the good/evil dualism but that we should still obey the ethical framework set out in the scriptures for practical purposes. I personally disagree with the ethics of Moses (e.g. violent homophobia, stoning for adultery, annihilation of the Canaanites, etc.) and have been working out a philosophical alternative for myself.
When was the map of the tree of life as we see it now formulated? When were the planets overlayed onto that chart? Do you think this overlay works? Thanks for your work!
Dr Angela PUCA. 🌹 The great mother goddess (or the Creator, the One, the Divine, or whatever name by which an individual calls the Nameless One) send us all to this earth with a destiny - a fate. Your true will and destiny are clear… You’re a teacher, a guide.. a voice … and we thank you (and other academics like yourself) for taking the courage and fulfilling your destiny, leading people with an open heart ever closer to Truth… and Gnosis.
I appreciate all the contributions made so that this lovely, learned lady can expound on these topics. Plus she’s hot.... can’t watch when I am trying to listen... 😅😍😘thanks everyone
The presentation was a bit interesting as Angela navigated through historical mysticism and into modern practices. I need to make a few comments here about time depths. When we consider things like Jewish mysticism our earliest data points that are not heavily embellished stem back to maybe the 6th century BCE We can extend this maybe to song of Deborah, which IMO is altered prose from the Deuteronomistic period Deborah is sitting under a palm tree outside of the city of Luz, an Asherah worship, whose symbol is the olive tree, as she is depicted as a goddess of fertility of the land, a Mother Earth goddess Athirath is a substrate god that evolved from the Paleolithic through the Neolithic into the Bronze Age. The earliest form from Golan dates to about 230,000 years ago. So this idea of a tree of life is a long evolving one that connects the living back to the land from which we arose. The second principle idea is the divine higher essence. This idea seems to have began to shape as people lived in higher density circumstance in which domesticated cattle began to become an increasing part of communal life. In this notion the animals are part of the community, humans being the master, thus humans were part of greater community of being with a divine master, represented by things with pairs of rows of horns. This conceptualization of god, beginning out of the land, ki/ge (land, place) and rising into temple life (Eridu, 7300 years ago) developed into the Mesopotamian pyramidal system of gods with the Celestial Sky (Dinger An) at the top, Strength and Wisdom underneath and a growing number of gods. An and Enlil’s prominence is eventually replaced by Ishtar, Asshur, and Marduk. Eridu seems to have been the divine ancient repository of wisdoms. The time depth here is about 2600 to 2700 BCE. The beginning of the Dynastic Sumer and its collapse are motivating factor for sages to descend from the temples and spread across the land eventually ending up near the Western and Red Sea’s. These stories of Jonah and the Apkallu reflect those stories about the ancient wisdom seekers. When we talk about systems with sky-gods, this is more or less a trade god from the Jemdet Nasr period whose influence spread over Semetic speaking and PIE speaking people via metal and cypress trade. IMO, the wisdom seekers were sages who began to see a society going the wrong direction, first possibly forced out of their positions, but later voluntarily left to places like Yathrib and Tayma both for ascetic and political reasons. I think when we start to think about Canaanite and Jewish mysticism this has to be in the back of our minds. The trend of the desert mystic continued for more than a millennia and spread to other places.
The primary sources were the abgul of Enki and their equivalents of Suen. These were the original wisdom seekers. The Hebrew Bible pokes fun of these is the story of Jonah, an adaptation of the titles of Adapa and the role the Apkallu played in society. We learn this is the story of Adapa and the South Wind. As Adapa is offered god-hood by An, he is tricked to refute it by his lord Enki. The role of the abgul is to serve. The sages of Yahweh are probably descendant of the earlier sages, but the Yahweh god was empowered and wisdom became secondary to supporting a regional cult. In the Hebrew Text there are a large number of points were we can see the sages and scribes have borrowed from literature concerning the Mesopotamian god, the majority of which involve Enki.
I think Jonah came from Oannes probably during Babylonian captivity? He probably traces back further, thru Sumerian stories, but... what's that to do with the kabbalah? What's the earliest evidence for it? Dr Puca doesn't go back so far, at all, in this episode.
@@GizzyDillespee Not really my point, these mystical motifs are largely falling out of Babylonian mysticism. An Example in Ezekiel is that the women are crying to Tammuz on the steps of his mystical temple. This is very odd since Ezekiel is 1000 miles away from the demolished Jerusalem temple on the banks of a canal at Larsa 15 or so miles from Bad Tibera, the putative birth place of Dumuzid (Tammuz). So Ezekiel is projecting Tammuz into his visions of the heavenly temple, which BTW his Hekhalot mysticism takes in a very Babylonian feel of the high places of the Celestial Sky. But we can ask the basic question where what is this link between Enki, it’s sages and Yahwism. Aside from the fact the early Israelite theophorics are identical to the theophorics used to Enki in Ebla, the city Identified by the Egyptians Bêt Lahkmi (Lahmi) translates to the house of the Guardian of Enki and becomes Bethlehem. And so it’s plausible that a historic memory of old regional beliefs in Yehudah is driving the adoption of stories about Enki and his sages in Babylon. The is a major difference between Jonah and the Apkallu. The Apkallu would have been prestigious sages, the attire would have set them apart, holy, from other sages. Whereas there is a rather abusive relationship between Yahweh and Jonah. The legends of Adapa are very old. The oldest tradition about him is from Me-Turan/Tell Haddad tablets (around 19-16th century BC), which is written in Sumerian. This came from a period in Mesopotamia in which stories that were carried orally began to be written down. The story had reached Amenhotep in Egypt by the 14 th century BCE. So if Bêt Lahmi was a reverent site for Ia at the time they were likely a source. Probably, prior to the capturing by the Philistines of Bêt Lahmi, the settlement was a place of sages, and thus a regional mystic site. Again, this is my running assumption of how the sages get to Tayma and Yathrib during the 9th century BCE. According to legend Adapa was sage of Enmaker who dates to 3100 to 3400 BCE. This seems unlikely. More likely Adapa was a sage that came to help deal with the aftermath of the flood of Shuruppak, 2900 BCE. I think this may have a smidge of truth. The problem is Adapa as an abgul of Enki, and thus it is unlikely any of them had status as a king or prophet (vizier) but more like wiseman. One of the legends of the Apkallu is they came from the west, this is roughly impossible before 2600 BCE if Adapa is born in Eridu. And thus the time frame we are looking at is between 19th and 26th century BCE. In fact, I think it’s safe to say just about everything concerning figures before 2900 BCE is lots of legends and no facts and this trend weakens as we approach the times in the early second Millenium when these are written down. One potential point of Adapa is during the Gutian reign, The Apkallu were meant to serve, its certainly plausible that an abgul living among the uncivilized peoples was called up to advise the equally uncivil (of their origins) Gutians. It’s really hard to say.
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I think this is out of style and your timing is racist and anti-semitic, like the Jewish Israelis killing semites ( Palestinians ) in Gaza.
Well done. I look forward to a video on the Qliphoth.
Coming soon!
@@drangelapucaare they the same as the tunnels of set? Or are they a tree underneath?
@@IAMLiamwalker4444It depends whether you are speaking from an academic outside perspective, a wider Kabbalah perspective or a narrowed down to particular Typhonian perspective. The Qliphoth are absolutely NOT The Tunnels of Set to any group but The Typhonians in which case they are akin to the paths between the spheres. This idea functions to Typhonians just as much as Discordian rituals work for Discordians. They are not taken seriously by anyone else and are seen as either ignorant, insulting, offensive or dangerously delusional by most practitoners (as is most of Grant's work which entirely abused African Diaspora religions and misrepresented them to the point of unrecognition and furthered the myth of the of the Yazidis being devil worshippers which is no joke as it has, seriously, gotten people killed.
These traditions can be fun and can be silly but don't be flippant. Read academics outside the wider tradition, academics specializing in the tradition, academics who are practitioners of the general tradition and practitioners of the general traditions specific tradition. Compare and contrast, experiment on your own, be intelligent, set aside biases, seek Truth, Wisdom and constant improvement for self, other and of the whole within and without.
@@IAMLiamwalker4444The tunnels are like the paths that connect the sephirot on the tree of life, but they connect the Qliphoth spheres instead.
Dr.sledge also dropped a great one on kabbalah.. you guys are always doing gods work out here ❤
Thanks for this so much as a Catholic who practices the golden dawn system for High magick and A Modern Traditional witchcraft/ American Hoodoo blend for lower workings this is great
Not questioning you being Catholic… but how do you juggle all that without being “caught”…. I’m Catholic too.
What’s your way of doing so without someone finding out about your practices?
I know the Catholic Church do “ritual” right in front of us per se…😂
But how do you do it?
I am very similar and one of my lovers recently opened up about her family having a passed down oral tradition of Catholic Voudou which was an amazing discussion to have had. Is there somewhere like reddit or discord we could communicate further?
Lol when I got into the occult I was also a Catholic then I went to some sort of gnostic practicing white magick with interests on Rosicrucianism... It was a mess. Then I became a Wiccan, and this was 2 yrs ago!
@@thishandleistackeni have DC
Amazed how you included incorporating ancient ancestors
Thank you, Dr Puca, for this concise primer on this much misunderstood subject.
Glad it was helpful!
Absolutely fantastic overview lecture on hermetic Qabalah!
My only very small criticism would be not mentioning Israel Regardie's massive influence on the delineation of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn to the world at large. His works are tantamount to western society's understanding of the Qabalah in both theory and practice today.
I so enjoy your videos and all you bring to the understanding of esotericism in the modern age. Thank you!
Thank you 🙏🏼 I learned more in your video than the last couple years of self introduction learning 😂
Great to hear!
Amazing lecture.
Glad you think so!
Thank you😊 I really enjoyed your lecture.
You're welcome 😊
Hi Angela! My oh my, 😮 😊 so professional and knowledgeable.😊 you present yourself in a commanding
presence so that i have too listen and pay attention. This was an outstanding lecture you produced 😊, im glad i subscribed, and look forward to another chance to listen and learn from your podcast ❤😊. See you on the tube 😊😊😊
Wow, thank you!
Love your videos and knowledge! feels like im getting taught by Zia from the Kane Chronicles 😂
Very good lecture! Thank you so much!
Glad it was helpful!
@@drangelapuca 😘
This reads very similarly to the Wikipedia page on the subject, except you've left out Eliphas Levi, who was the first to attibute Hebrew letters to the tarot trumps. Also, no mention of rabbi Akiva & Athanasius Kirchner the origins of the most common form of Otz Chiim in Hermetic Qabalah, which you haven't used.
Great in-depth video! I’m now curious if you would cover the CCRU in the future, specifically their invented alternative to the Qabbalah’s Tree of Life that is the Numogram 😬
Excellent overview. Perennialism gets stereotyped and misunderstood as undervaluing diversity and seeking to homogenize different cultures, when in reality most perennialists I've met deeply respect cultural differences while recognizing that all diversity is a finite expression of one infinite Reality. So, just because I believe we share all ultimately share a common source and that cross-cultural syncretization can be a good thing, that does not devalue individual or cultural uniqueness and differentiation.
In my view, reunification with the Divine is one phase in an evolutionary death/rebirth cycle that involves both a phase of dissolution of the individual identity and separation from the world, as well as a phase of reintegration with embodied existence and individuated expression of the innate autonomy of consciousness. This cycle, which can take place on the levels of the physical body, of the subtle body (mind/energy), and of the causal body (subconscious), enables the gradual, embodied actualization of the omniscience and omnipotence of consciousness.
I was blessed to study a bit about Jewish Kabbalah in an academic setting with a former Hasidic rabbi and current post-Jewish mystic, who told us that the Hasids believe that God is beyond the good/evil dualism but that we should still obey the ethical framework set out in the scriptures for practical purposes. I personally disagree with the ethics of Moses (e.g. violent homophobia, stoning for adultery, annihilation of the Canaanites, etc.) and have been working out a philosophical alternative for myself.
😍OMG say Thelema again Dr Angela ❤🤩🥳
Love the work, as usual
Much appreciated!
Brava! 🌹
Thank you! 😃
When was the map of the tree of life as we see it now formulated? When were the planets overlayed onto that chart? Do you think this overlay works? Thanks for your work!
Wonderful as always
Thank you so much 😀
I would join if I had more money, I appreciate your work.
I wonder if QBLH is also CYBELE. In Finnish it is almost kyypeli = Game of the ( viper ) snakes
Here is the curated transcript for this video lecture www.innersymposium.study/?p=6432
I prefer a Thelemic way of practice! Love Dr. Puca Dr. Sledge ❤🐈🤫
I prefer everything and nothing
@DendriticFractals Everything And Nothing, the album title of a compilation of songs by David Sylvian. Have it. Love the song "Ride."
Dr Angela PUCA. 🌹
The great mother goddess (or the Creator, the One, the Divine, or whatever name by which an individual calls the Nameless One) send us all to this earth with a destiny - a fate. Your true will and destiny are clear… You’re a teacher, a guide.. a voice … and we thank you (and other academics like yourself) for taking the courage and fulfilling your destiny, leading people with an open heart ever closer to Truth… and Gnosis.
I appreciate all the contributions made so that this lovely, learned lady can expound on these topics. Plus she’s hot.... can’t watch when I am trying to listen... 😅😍😘thanks everyone
The presentation was a bit interesting as Angela navigated through historical mysticism and into modern practices.
I need to make a few comments here about time depths. When we consider things like Jewish mysticism our earliest data points that are not heavily embellished stem back to maybe the 6th century BCE We can extend this maybe to song of Deborah, which IMO is altered prose from the Deuteronomistic period Deborah is sitting under a palm tree outside of the city of Luz, an Asherah worship, whose symbol is the olive tree, as she is depicted as a goddess of fertility of the land, a Mother Earth goddess Athirath is a substrate god that evolved from the Paleolithic through the Neolithic into the Bronze Age. The earliest form from Golan dates to about 230,000 years ago. So this idea of a tree of life is a long evolving one that connects the living back to the land from which we arose.
The second principle idea is the divine higher essence. This idea seems to have began to shape as people lived in higher density circumstance in which domesticated cattle began to become an increasing part of communal life. In this notion the animals are part of the community, humans being the master, thus humans were part of greater community of being with a divine master, represented by things with pairs of rows of horns.
This conceptualization of god, beginning out of the land, ki/ge (land, place) and rising into temple life (Eridu, 7300 years ago) developed into the Mesopotamian pyramidal system of gods with the Celestial Sky (Dinger An) at the top, Strength and Wisdom underneath and a growing number of gods. An and Enlil’s prominence is eventually replaced by Ishtar, Asshur, and Marduk. Eridu seems to have been the divine ancient repository of wisdoms. The time depth here is about 2600 to 2700 BCE. The beginning of the Dynastic Sumer and its collapse are motivating factor for sages to descend from the temples and spread across the land eventually ending up near the Western and Red Sea’s. These stories of Jonah and the Apkallu reflect those stories about the ancient wisdom seekers. When we talk about systems with sky-gods, this is more or less a trade god from the Jemdet Nasr period whose influence spread over Semetic speaking and PIE speaking people via metal and cypress trade.
IMO, the wisdom seekers were sages who began to see a society going the wrong direction, first possibly forced out of their positions, but later voluntarily left to places like Yathrib and Tayma both for ascetic and political reasons. I think when we start to think about Canaanite and Jewish mysticism this has to be in the back of our minds. The trend of the desert mystic continued for more than a millennia and spread to other places.
Hermetic Qabalah is the best and safest for western magicians. It’s the “good” side of Freemasonry somehow. And the Light Side of the Force ;)
What is the "bad" and what dya mean by "somehow"?
@@thishandleistacken the bad side is satanism, people who doesn’t really know how magic work and worship demonic entities
I can't agree to reducing the Hermetic Qabalah to a Thelemic one of True Will.
The primary sources were the abgul of Enki and their equivalents of Suen. These were the original wisdom seekers.
The Hebrew Bible pokes fun of these is the story of Jonah, an adaptation of the titles of Adapa and the role the Apkallu played in society.
We learn this is the story of Adapa and the South Wind. As Adapa is offered god-hood by An, he is tricked to refute it by his lord Enki. The role of the abgul is to serve.
The sages of Yahweh are probably descendant of the earlier sages, but the Yahweh god was empowered and wisdom became secondary to supporting a regional cult. In the Hebrew Text there are a large number of points were we can see the sages and scribes have borrowed from literature concerning the Mesopotamian god, the majority of which involve Enki.
I think Jonah came from Oannes probably during Babylonian captivity? He probably traces back further, thru Sumerian stories, but... what's that to do with the kabbalah? What's the earliest evidence for it? Dr Puca doesn't go back so far, at all, in this episode.
@@GizzyDillespee Not really my point, these mystical motifs are largely falling out of Babylonian mysticism. An Example in Ezekiel is that the women are crying to Tammuz on the steps of his mystical temple. This is very odd since Ezekiel is 1000 miles away from the demolished Jerusalem temple on the banks of a canal at Larsa 15 or so miles from Bad Tibera, the putative birth place of Dumuzid (Tammuz). So Ezekiel is projecting Tammuz into his visions of the heavenly temple, which BTW his Hekhalot mysticism takes in a very Babylonian feel of the high places of the Celestial Sky.
But we can ask the basic question where what is this link between Enki, it’s sages and Yahwism. Aside from the fact the early Israelite theophorics are identical to the theophorics used to Enki in Ebla, the city Identified by the Egyptians Bêt Lahkmi (Lahmi) translates to the house of the Guardian of Enki and becomes Bethlehem.
And so it’s plausible that a historic memory of old regional beliefs in Yehudah is driving the adoption of stories about Enki and his sages in Babylon. The is a major difference between Jonah and the Apkallu. The Apkallu would have been prestigious sages, the attire would have set them apart, holy, from other sages. Whereas there is a rather abusive relationship between Yahweh and Jonah.
The legends of Adapa are very old. The oldest tradition about him is from Me-Turan/Tell Haddad tablets (around 19-16th century BC), which is written in Sumerian. This came from a period in Mesopotamia in which stories that were carried orally began to be written down. The story had reached Amenhotep in Egypt by the 14 th century BCE. So if Bêt Lahmi was a reverent site for Ia at the time they were likely a source. Probably, prior to the capturing by the Philistines of Bêt Lahmi, the settlement was a place of sages, and thus a regional mystic site. Again, this is my running assumption of how the sages get to Tayma and Yathrib during the 9th century BCE.
According to legend Adapa was sage of Enmaker who dates to 3100 to 3400 BCE. This seems unlikely. More likely Adapa was a sage that came to help deal with the aftermath of the flood of Shuruppak, 2900 BCE. I think this may have a smidge of truth. The problem is Adapa as an abgul of Enki, and thus it is unlikely any of them had status as a king or prophet (vizier) but more like wiseman. One of the legends of the Apkallu is they came from the west, this is roughly impossible before 2600 BCE if Adapa is born in Eridu. And thus the time frame we are looking at is between 19th and 26th century BCE. In fact, I think it’s safe to say just about everything concerning figures before 2900 BCE is lots of legends and no facts and this trend weakens as we approach the times in the early second Millenium when these are written down.
One potential point of Adapa is during the Gutian reign, The Apkallu were meant to serve, its certainly plausible that an abgul living among the uncivilized peoples was called up to advise the equally uncivil (of their origins) Gutians. It’s really hard to say.