The Recusant was the CHAD Droid Capital Ship
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Today we'll be taking a closer look at one of the most interesting capital ships of the Clone Wars - the Separatist Navy's Recusant Class Destroyer, sometimes known as the Commerce Guild Destroyer. All that and more on today's Star Wars lore video!
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This shows how smart the CIS was for the first few days of the clone wars.
Truth is, the game was rigged from the start.
roger roger.
Indeed, dooku killed quite a lot of the competent generals off through sabotage and suicide missions at the start of the war, so that the war would be prolonged.
Honestly, if you take the situation after the first battle of Geonosis and remove Sith scheming from the equation, the Separatists probably would have won the clone wars.
@@lonelystrategos I agree, they came so close, but also if the republic removed the jedi as generals, the republic would probably have suffered fewer casualties, but they where going up against the powerhouse that was the Seperatists
Boarding actions of CIS ships must have been a nightmare.
40K battle droids? That is a hell of a long fight on your hands
Bf2 supremacy gamemode
That combined with the Fact that there is no life support nor Gravity making Counter boarding neigh impossible...
@@dalob112 Its actually a genius move.
It would just be more practical to pulverize the ship from long range
@@dalob112 That's the problem with clones. They have the same handicap that everyone does, they need air.
Now I know that their armor could be sealed for use in vacuum but they would still need air when it runs out.
@@TailcoatGames ya just got me brain back to some old tramas because i play droids non stop :P
fucking gonna one day become a commando lord, a fear accrossed many but ya it do be that way we got countless fighters pushing ya back
Recusants remind me of the halo human ships where it’s just like… a big as gun with jets. And while the Autumn is honeycombed, a bunch of early ones (marathons?) were solid metal too
Please allow me to politely correct you, the pillar of autumn was a halcyon class. The marathon came after.
Hmmm, I felt reminded of some Babylon 5 Earth Alliance ship designs.
Riddle this why are Munificent Star Frigates classified as such when they have the armament and size of a cruiser?
@@darthball2723 i think its because they are trying to get pass Ruusan Reformarion limits. Being called a frigate, all the non-military equipment and etc can obfuscate a bit about the ships power and could skirt away from the laws
@@darthball2723 because outside of war their official designation are freighters and are usually any ship class from frigates to a humble juggernaut, from something as small as a shuttle to something bigger like the super star destroyer just so long as it hauls freight primarily.
For the first battles of the war the Recusant was a first rate design. Their primary opponents, the Acclamator class, would have a hell of a time dealing with them, and even Venators had to take them seriously. Quite a brilliant interim design until more powerful ships such as the Providence were ready. Then still an excellent second line ship and convoy raider.
My only criticism of the Recusant is that they're F Tier in most of the Empire at War mods.
I know, it really sucks. Fall of the Republic recusants are basically garbage because of how the AI targeting works
In fall of the republic they’re pretty good as a destroyer, although their carrying capacity is nerfed for balance’s sake, as the providence and lucrehulk occupy the carrier/super carrier roles repsectively
@@permafrost8322 in FotR they're fantastic as a ship-to-ship option, they have more range and armor than Munificents but fire more of their weapons a little slower. with support from smaller ships they can cleave through a Republic fleet, just gotta keep them slightly behind the front line
@@Dave_Chrome believe me, I’ve lost many a Venator to a a fleet of like 4 recusants and a some dianondheads
If only IG-88 had uploaded his mind into a fleet of Recusants instead of the DS2
I’m not sure he can multitask like that
@@akumaking1 but might be possible if he used slave programming like the Dark Fleet
The Recusant is my favorite CIS capital ship, underrated and overlooked
The Recusant and the Munificent are some of my favorite warship designs in the franchise.
Not just rivalling the Venator in the lore but rivalling them on my would be tier list.
I appreciate this design, it always felt like a function over form ship, not imposing, not regal. All ship
Now THIS is my kind of content. Based Star Wars ship.
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Recusant has always been my favorite captiol ship. The bare look of it makes it look like it was made in a purely utilitarian way. Badass.
Hey Eck, there is a cargo looking Recusant in the Star Tours battle of Courascant. It has the same engine block but it has a blocky rectangular segments.
I was always blown away by the Recuscent when I got the Revenge of the Sith Incredible Cross Sections. It seemed like a ridiculously cost effective design capable of handling numerous situations. Thanks for covering such a commonly overlooked ship.
Growing up, the Providence was my favorite CIS warship thanks to Star Wars Battlefront 2 15 years ago. But nowadays I'm loving the Recusant for basically everything about it. It's even the Capital Ship I'd want to command if I was a CIS Naval Captain.
Honestly, I would prefer to have a big boi prov as my command ship however I feel like the CIS should have put less weight on the banking clan ship as it’s front line and should have used this one. The ships would still be useful but it would have been better to have less of them so they could play the role intended for them while the recusant did its thing.
I really wish we saw an upgraded version of this ship that continued to cover the amor plating around the whole ship.
part of me wants to think some fraction of thies has gone into dark space mining lose rocks for materials with some remident production modules in some of them using the last remigns of the BPs for this and just is making them selves up into some powerful mess maybe even augmenting their own cores to be more able even if the threat of other ships are far worse now some reasion i can see them jumping back with augmented battle droids of all types vultures with even more upgraded systems (maybe they are bigger to a degree but still got their multi use role as a generalist dog figher/groundable anti vehicle line) and just like its a terror fleet of battle droids that are somehow quite a threat but by the time anyone can react they have already raided what they wanted and left.
One large benefit of the droid brain might also be the fact that these could just be in storage with no need for a crew.
For example, a Recusant could be sent back for maintenance after participating in a campaign, without the need of a crew to get it there.
The ship just flies itself back to maintenance, leaving the crew at the front, then returning back to be crewed (or function autonomously) at the front
Meanwhile, a Venator would return for maintenance with all of its starfighter compliment, possible ground assault units and a full bridge crew with all of these basically just being on for the ride.
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I would love to see a spaceship in Star Wars that is a Droid as well. It would show emotion similar to R2D2, C-3PO, B1-Battle Droids etc. I’m not sure if anyone has thought of this idea before.
Maybe if i find a old CIS ship like the one in this video i can try!
technically the Droid brains of the millennium falcon are said to have that mind of a personality, but since they dont have any vocoders and don't directly control the flight of the ship its only directly expressed a few times.
(in Empire Strikes Back C3PO makes a comment on it iirc. one of the original trilogy movies.)
They actually already exist.
Arent the Katana Dreadnoughts AI controlled?
@@lisaruhm6681 no they're slave rigged with lots of droid controlled subsystems. The primary control system was the human crew, but droid automation allowed them to dramatically reduce the size of the Dreadnaught's crew for that experiment.
I feel like the Droid brain being dumb is actually a security feature. As we've seen with the HK series and some of the advanced tactical droids if a droid gets too "creative" in its thinking it becomes a serious threat to its creators.
Smart move, considering that these ships were prodused in large numbers. In army of AI's even one deserter can become a 10000 in seconds.
I mean you can crew it with a tactical or supertactical droid this flaw is gone.
It'd be interesting to see what would've happened if the CIS leadership decided it would be more profitable to abandon Sidious and just win the war alone.
Actually there a channel on TH-cam that does these kinds of what ifs and they are actually pretty good. They have one where the CIS joined the rebel alliance during the GCW.
@@the_king_of_kings_3413 I did see that, but it's not the same as winning it outright.
I'm proud of the recusant
When I first saw this in the Clone Wars animated series I fell in love❤️.
Fun ship, with the level of automation, I can imagine a lot of groups post Clone War want one. Its big, potential for holding a lot of stuff, and automation means a small family could use it as a home while shipping an insane amount of cargo.
Kind of like a family of three comfortably living out of a modern mass cargo container ship without needing a crew.
Others have pointed this out, but it probably bears mentioning again--had the CIS been a real power and not a front for Palpatine's machinations, there is a very good chance that they not only would have won the Clone Wars, but fundamentally changed how combat worked in Star Wars. Their droid fleet was the closest thing to Valkorian's Eternal Fleet in several thousand years, and Valkorian showed how powerful a droid fleet and army could be bringing both the Sith Empire and Old Republic to heel for a time. The CIS was bigger, better equipped, and more in control of its resources than Valkorian's single planet empire with a fleet it didn't fully understand. There's no reason why, had they been allowed to fight for real, that they wouldn't have won this conflict.
Now imagine if this ship could transform into a giant Droid. :P
The Munificent, Recusant, and Providence remind me a lot of modern warships in how modern frigates, destroyers, and cruisers are all close to the same size and their main difference is the weapons, defenses, and additional capabilities that each has to fit them into their particular roles.
Can you tell us about alien species like the wookies, Gungans, bothons and others? Also could you talk more about Kyle Katarn lore? I know he’s not canon anymore but he’s still one of the coolest characters ever created.
These ships look really cool. Would love to have one as a command ship
Make sure it doesn't glitch and ram straight into an ally ship
same.
@@sugdolomar Yeah that would suck
Imagine if it's brain "broke" and it just ran off to do it's own thing like what some of the B1s have done in a few comics. That'd be pretty interesting to have a "living" capital ship running around and doing whatever.
I can only image the sheer happieness a rebel would feel if they found a whole abandoned recusant with full fighter & battle droid complement.
One that's a competent coder at least.
Very good droid ship. :) I love this youtube channel and ramon!
Not related to the video at all but the other day i was thinking about how the dark empire is basically a technological/force-based version of the flood
So does that technically make the Recusant the largest droid in Star Wars (barring the Abominor or the Selentium whichever one was the planet sized one)?
6:02 The cargo variant appears in Star Tours, the adventure continues. The coruscant one
Glad you’re safe and back in your element!
I recently played one in Armada, and it was all kindsa fun literally drifting around the engagement zone
I think you saw the cargo looking Recusant in the star tours video showing the battle over coruscant.
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Imagine removing that droid brain and inserting R2D2
That would be awesome.
Oh yeah, this ship. I sketched it on paper with an eye to making a LEGO MOC of it. Haven't done it yet.
It's gonna be a greeble wonderland!
Man I love the wide unique variety of designs of the CIS’s ships, vehicles and troopers in the Clone Wars. Really makes them stand out not just in the Clone Wars Era, but all of Star Wars media. :D
I think the only thing that I don’t like about the Recusant is the idea that the droid brain would be anything less than awesome. On one hand yeah, B1s and Vulture droids were mass produced and pretty dumb, but commander droids and even Tri fighters were shown to be very effective and capable. I can’t imagine going to the length of making a completely automated capitol ship and then skimping on the literal brain of it. Great video though, thoroughly enjoy listening to ship lore
It was possibly both a cost saving element, and a security feature as others have mentioned.
If the ship isn't smart enough to rebel, then there's less chance of a fleet of them going rogue, and causing bigger problems.
It's actually always been my favorite just for the design!!
Imagine the captain of a CIS holdout fleet being a really arrogant but smart and tactical, so instead of being a commander on the lead ship, the lead ship is the commander. That would be really cool for a game or perhaps a Star Wars dnd chapter
I think at least the begining of Dark Lord was canonized in the Tarkin novel!
Love this channel man remember seeing this shit when i was young
Would be great to come across one of these, probably the only ship of this size that could be ran by a small bridge crew with everything else relying on the automation.
I always qssumed they were fully automated, cause in the clone wars we often saw them with no organic commanders, just a tactical droid and various battle droids. But I didn't know if they were officially, canonically fully automated
It's all fun and games until the ship says "Roger Roger"
My favourite CIS capital ship. I always had a good feeling about it
Glad to see my favorite destroyer class ship get some love.
_Runs into fellow starships, like a boss_
I always assumed that ECM and even holographic disruption throughout the electromagnetic spectrum in Star Wars is so extreme that it makes long-distance combat and advanced computational capabilities almost impossible on a battlefield. Resulting in knife-fighting and dumb battledroids as protecting each little piece of the droid’s brain and other advanced computers was costly, difficult, and/or unreliable and required extensive industrial allocation.
Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's Recusant
I love the recusant. Looks so cool and I love watching it in the clone wars. We need ship vs ships to come back and include the recusant in one
Powerful bow armament, operate in groups to compensate for individual weaknesses, mass produced and disposable... Sounds very similar to the frigates and destroyers of the UNSC.
what were the ships with the largest numerical crews? like what ships took the most to run, could hold the most, or just had a huge number of crew for multiple shifts?
The cargo variant you mentioned I think shows up in Ep.IX, its essentially just the engine bank of a Recusant attached to a line of massive cargo modules
I thought he just showed up in Star Tours? I Might be wrong...
love to hear appreciation for my favorite Capital Ship
Its a good thing that this ship have a slow droid brain because just think if recusant got mind of its own like IG-88
This really sparks my imagination on what could be possible for a well-resourced military in the Star Wars galaxy.
"Let's see Pau Allen's ship"
You were right, they have variants of it on whatever the modern “Star tours” thing is I think
Eck you said on Tapcaf that Curtis Saxton is a maximalist and that his numbers can’t be relied on.
Don’t apologize for the delayed upload! You do you. Shoutout from The Darkside, NS
Heard from Jingles that you were having copyright problems with the intro. I miss that intro, but the best of luck to you in that regard.
Im wholly convinced if you made a droid navy of purely Munificents and Recusants and just pump them out of every shipyard in the galaxy, and use the clones as infantry and marines where more skill is required, and have the droid army be defensive and auxiliary forces, the Yuuzhan Vong would have been obliterated, due to the sheer scale of production, the low cost, and ability to discard whole ships without concern due to them being so automated, it'd enable strategic leaders of the galaxy's forces to concentrate more on overall strategy and not worry about micromanaging.
The cargo variant was from Star Tours I believe
I always had a theory that the Droid brain was dumbed down because it was the prototype and never meant to be used in battle. I always had another theory that they knew the ship design was stolen and purposely let them stole a droid brain with a faulty brain knowing it would affect the battle performance.
More sense to me make a theory that they were designed dumb on purpose. It allow to reduce cost and make ai rebellion less likely and it kinda worked. There is very few rebel ai in Cis army, despite it being insanely massive.
Can't knock out life support or gravity if there's no life support or gravity.
Let's not forget how awesome it looks
The Recusant is ready to defy the Grace of the Golden Order. It will devour the very gods in defiance of the Two Fingers
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To answer your question: likely a CIS ship converted into a Rebel Alliance ship, or a variant of the Acclamator line. Otherwise, you might be thinking of the GalloFree ships & such. Personally, I’d like to see Imperial-class Star Destroyers being converted into GalloFree looking ships, basically seeing the various cargo containers being stuffed into the Star Destroyers’ hull, as a means for the Imperial Remanant, such as Moff Gideon, to hide stuff for Palpatine & such…
I fashion my Cosmoteer ships after the Recusant: Armor and guns at the front, skeletal back frame that's all thrusters.
I seen them in that Republic Expansion
Rrrrrrr still that thing still there?
Love the CIS
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This is definitely one of my favorite capital ships from the clone era. It's just so aggressive and dangerous looking.
Maybe the variant you're thinking of was the Rebel one that was refitted to be better suited for organics?
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I can really imagine the Recusant having been a massive bulk cargo ship before being repurposed for war. Not needing breathing crew would be so goddamn efficient and right up the trade federation's alley.
It also reminds me of a cargo ship from Endless Sky.
This ship would’ve made a decent assault carrier for the Rebel Alliance, send them to Mon Calamari for a refit, add reinforced shields, slap on a few hangar bays, and replace about half of the laser cannons/point defense guns with an increased number of turbolaser and ion cannons.
Kinda looks like a stripped down Providence.
Always thought the sepratist navy ship designs looked like they were something you'd see in transformers😂
I wouldn't trust the Recusant's droid brain to operate alone. If the brain experienced sensory overload, it could accidentally crash into friendly ships as seen in the Battle of Coruscant where it T-bones a Munificent destroyer and they both explode. I don't mind losing the Recusant in a crash, but I do mind losing another capital ship filled with thousands of crew members to a runaway friendly Recusant.
Fleet battle
Rebel fleet at Endor vs. Cole’s fleet at Cole’s last stand. With each being commanded by their respective admirals.
It kinda sucks that Venators were significantly smaller than Star Destroyers but it makes sense, I’ve always considered Venators the sexy ship lol
I think the cargo variant is from the star tours battle of coresaunt
Corey: *heavy breathing intensifies*
I love this ship
I love this ship but the goofy stalk that connects the engine area to the rest of the ship is so weird
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What if for a only droid ship , all the air was gone that way the organic couldn’t board at least until there oxygen tanks runs out but in order to make a ship like that they will need to make some changes
Makes me wish there would one day be a droid rebellion to free themselves from galactic servitude. Not in the evil sense where they go on to destroy all the organics, but just to liberate themselves with ships like this one.
I think you misused the term "superstructure". A superstructure is something built "on top" of a ship so it sticks out from the hull. It sounded like you were talking about the structure under the hull supporting it. That would probably be better described as the something like the "keel", "chassis", "spaceframe", or "substructure". The Recusant has at least one superstructure in the form of its bridge, but it doesn't seem that is what you were talking about. You could maybe also count the spinal turbolaser mount and the engine nacelles as "superstructures".
This might sound strange but it always kind of annoyed me a little that the Recusant, a regular CIS battleship that was deployed in mass numbers, was bigger than the Invisible Hand which was the flagship. Maybe I'm just weird but I always thought of flagships as being the biggest, most powerful ships in the fleet.
mx favortie piece of lore about this ship is its tendency to ramm enemy ships because its so single minded🤣
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Imagine a Recusant filled to the brim with Vulture droids and b1/b2s dropping battle droids ODST Halo style.
Now that would be an invasion.