The shift won't hurt you much as long as you do it fast enough. But the Trans is geared aggressive which is the only reason either gear is anywhere near enough on a coyote na or otherwise.
@@bigdaddymatt27how do you have to shift too much with 355 that's stupid. If you don't like to shift buy a gay auto like everyone else does. Leave the shifting to the real people who can actually do it.
I have 3.73s on a soon to be supercharged Mustang. I was going to change my gears because I thought 3.73s would be too steep for a supercharged car, but after seeing your vid I'm not going to change them. I just found your channel yesterday and it is already my favorite. Keep it up and thanks!
@@Jack-ox9iz buddy Roberto is max effort n/a once you go booster you’re going to have to go with longer gears because you want to stay in the meat of the powerband with less shifting trust me I know this my second gen 1 and I run 3.15s and I put a couple cars on equally modded boosted 5.0’s if you’re going to stay n/a then get 3.73 but if you’re going bloated look into 3.31-3.15s because you’re going to run out of gear and be in OD
@@StreetRacingHaven I appreciate the info. I'm not much of a racer and I just want to have fun with the car. I was thinking 3.55s would be a good compromise, but I'm not sure. If I was roll racing up to 140 mph I probably go with a 3.31 or less. Maybe I will look into that some more. I really appreciate the info.
@@Jack-ox9iz no problem , I just try to save people money even though those cars have the same mods at that point it’s all based on the tune. Whomever car is dialed in the most will win with similar mods also some cars react differently even if they have the same setup. If you have any questions make sure you contact the tuners as well because they can definitely help you on that type of situation. If having fun is your moto I would go for a whipple twin screw supercharger or a tvs supercharger like a vmp or roush setup if you want instant torque to play with on the streets and track.
No it's just one car has a good gear for his setup the other one doesn't. That setup needs a 373 gear and it's gonna eat with one as seen here. It's also manual vs manual. The 373 guy might be driving better too who knows. When it's manual va manual driver actually matters in the race unlike these auto cars.
Im sure it’s due to the torque multiplication and horsepower combined causing the gear to either stretched or like halfway bottomed out. Either way maximum output might bias to either
If you're making 500 wheel like these cars that's way too much gear unless you have a 30 inch tire or something...373 is perfect for this trans and this setup.
@@midnight347 I used to run 3.90s and 4.10s on my 3100 pound FTW fueled coyote. Made 480 whp @ 3100 pounds. The 3.90s and 4.10s made the car go considerably faster than the factory 3.73s it came with. Used a 28 inch M/T. Redline set to 8300.
3.73's are generally better for NA applications and 3.31 gear generally better for FI, especially when working with the MT-82 gearing. I have heard anecdotally people are getting better results with 3.15's than the 3.55's with the A10 when NA and FBO.
I'd say the other way around. The higher numerically the gear the shorter it is. NA you want short gears to get through them quicker and stay in the "narrow" power band. With boost you can extend each gear because of all the extra power/torque. That's why most really fast cars run a 2 speed glide. You don't need the torque multiplication when you have enough torque.
Great video Frank, I have a 2014 Mustang Gt track pack, I’ve been fiddling with the tire pressures for months, which do you think should I set my tire pressures for best performance and daily driving on the streets?
Yall experts are clueless. They're both lightened. It's also manual vs manual the drivers are very much a part of this race. Maybe 373 guy outdrove 331 guy. You have no idea how much difference gearing can make. On these high revving max effort na setups in particular. These aren't bone stock cars you can't treat them as if they are. On a stock car there may not be this same difference because a stock car won't benefit from those gears the way these cars will. That's why blanket statements like yours don't make sense. Just like saying intakes don't do anything. Yea on a bone stock car they prob don't. Once you're flowing more air they absolutely make more power when you upgrade it.
I did the same run with my then 10spd Gt with 3:15s (for boost later) and my wife's 10spd with 3:55s at the track.. both Stock.. and both run same time (down to the tenth 00.0(X)?.. & trap) ..Every damn Time and I Still Don't understand that!👍
@scarface9617 gearing don't matter much with a 10 speed it already has tons of gears it's geared super aggressive doesn't need rear end gearing it has that in the Trans. That isn't the case with a manual there's definately a difference.
Well, fact is, if you can turn the rpm and it sticks, it doesn't matter! Literally had 4.10s in the GT500 @ 670rwhp. Have 4.10s in the Boss 302 @ 600rwhp, and have 4.10s in my Fox @ 770ish rwhp... Also got 3.73s in a 2v @ 600rwhp. The difference? RPM. The valve train is built for it and the heads and intake flow well there w/ the cam combo... Every car named has a MINIMUM of 7500rpm, Boss highest at 8400rpm. So that there is most people's problem!! Trying to turn rpm on stock valve trains/factory limited combos. Need proof? Look at Rotary engines and Hondas.... Hell any non American engine in general usually turns more rpm.
Gears & tires. The forgotten (and most important) mods 😑
Buy the spec that has your preferred rear end from the dealer lol. Save the headache.
100% correct tho. Plus a solid tune & proper shift points.
Yes
Wym the forgotten mods. What world you live in 😆
He said same mods 🤷🏻♂️
FBO E85 gen 2 here. I have 3.31's and they do not work with the powerband. Thinking of going to 3.73 now
For a NA setup shorter gear is the preference... But when you start making a lot of power that can work against you. Especially if you have to shift.
This! But also can lead to sudden high wheel speed if any spin. Can be dangey 😮
I'm boosted and have to shift to much to fast on 3.55 I hate it
@@bigdaddymatt27 yeah thats why k went from 3.91 to 3.07.
Car is much more enjoyable and hooks better.
The shift won't hurt you much as long as you do it fast enough. But the Trans is geared aggressive which is the only reason either gear is anywhere near enough on a coyote na or otherwise.
@@bigdaddymatt27how do you have to shift too much with 355 that's stupid. If you don't like to shift buy a gay auto like everyone else does. Leave the shifting to the real people who can actually do it.
Sick video , cool to see a comparison
Sweet race.. That to to 150..great cars.. Both running hard but for a good shifter 3.73 will be the choice. But the difference is quiet big
quite 🤓
“Science”…..what a quote!!!!!
You just saved me some money with this video. Thanks!
Really? What did you end up doing lol?
I have 3.73s on a soon to be supercharged Mustang. I was going to change my gears because I thought 3.73s would be too steep for a supercharged car, but after seeing your vid I'm not going to change them. I just found your channel yesterday and it is already my favorite. Keep it up and thanks!
@@Jack-ox9iz buddy Roberto is max effort n/a once you go booster you’re going to have to go with longer gears because you want to stay in the meat of the powerband with less shifting trust me I know this my second gen 1 and I run 3.15s and I put a couple cars on equally modded boosted 5.0’s if you’re going to stay n/a then get 3.73 but if you’re going bloated look into 3.31-3.15s because you’re going to run out of gear and be in OD
@@StreetRacingHaven I appreciate the info. I'm not much of a racer and I just want to have fun with the car. I was thinking 3.55s would be a good compromise, but I'm not sure. If I was roll racing up to 140 mph I probably go with a 3.31 or less. Maybe I will look into that some more. I really appreciate the info.
@@Jack-ox9iz no problem , I just try to save people money even though those cars have the same mods at that point it’s all based on the tune. Whomever car is dialed in the most will win with similar mods also some cars react differently even if they have the same setup. If you have any questions make sure you contact the tuners as well because they can definitely help you on that type of situation. If having fun is your moto I would go for a whipple twin screw supercharger or a tvs supercharger like a vmp or roush setup if you want instant torque to play with on the streets and track.
Thanks Frank 👍 for science
Don't fear the gear.
Same mods but there is something more here than just gears.
No it's just one car has a good gear for his setup the other one doesn't. That setup needs a 373 gear and it's gonna eat with one as seen here. It's also manual vs manual. The 373 guy might be driving better too who knows. When it's manual va manual driver actually matters in the race unlike these auto cars.
Can confirm, gears are a huge factor. Also have a 3.73 mustang. Have driven a 3.31 and feels much slower
I’ve driving both and it’s the opposite for me the 3.73 feel quicker but the 3.31 just feel like it has way more top end
Im sure it’s due to the torque multiplication and horsepower combined causing the gear to either stretched or like halfway bottomed out. Either way maximum output might bias to either
The 331 car is getting the ideal start with those higher rolls. The 373 car on a tire would pull away easier from a lower speed like 1st gear hit.
I used to run 4.10s and 3.90s on my N/A coyote. With a higher redline they work better than the factory 3.73s…
If you're making 500 wheel like these cars that's way too much gear unless you have a 30 inch tire or something...373 is perfect for this trans and this setup.
@@midnight347 I used to run 3.90s and 4.10s on my 3100 pound FTW fueled coyote. Made 480 whp @ 3100 pounds. The 3.90s and 4.10s made the car go considerably faster than the factory 3.73s it came with. Used a 28 inch M/T. Redline set to 8300.
Sweet cars 👍👍👍
John Stafford here
👍 awesome video's
That there is a difference bigger than just a gear ratio
You people are clueless as to how much gearing can help or hurt...also how manual va manual really mixes it up. It makes the drivers part of it.
3.73 get u in the power band quicker and keep you there longer
I would have liked to have seen them run from a dig and a 40 roll.
Good runs
3.73's are generally better for NA applications and 3.31 gear generally better for FI, especially when working with the MT-82 gearing.
I have heard anecdotally people are getting better results with 3.15's than the 3.55's with the A10 when NA and FBO.
you want longer gears with higher hp or else you’re shifting too often
@@roccoinman755yup
You got that backwards
I'd say the other way around. The higher numerically the gear the shorter it is. NA you want short gears to get through them quicker and stay in the "narrow" power band. With boost you can extend each gear because of all the extra power/torque. That's why most really fast cars run a 2 speed glide. You don't need the torque multiplication when you have enough torque.
Great video Frank, I have a 2014 Mustang Gt track pack, I’ve been fiddling with the tire pressures for months, which do you think should I set my tire pressures for best performance and daily driving on the streets?
what orange is that on that mustang?
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Im sorry yall but gears dont make that big of a difference. Deff weight played a role.
Yall experts are clueless. They're both lightened. It's also manual vs manual the drivers are very much a part of this race. Maybe 373 guy outdrove 331 guy. You have no idea how much difference gearing can make. On these high revving max effort na setups in particular. These aren't bone stock cars you can't treat them as if they are. On a stock car there may not be this same difference because a stock car won't benefit from those gears the way these cars will. That's why blanket statements like yours don't make sense. Just like saying intakes don't do anything. Yea on a bone stock car they prob don't. Once you're flowing more air they absolutely make more power when you upgrade it.
I’m sorry, but you simply don’t know what you’re talking about.
I need to see a race with 3.15
I did the same run with my then 10spd Gt with 3:15s (for boost later) and my wife's 10spd with 3:55s at the track.. both Stock.. and both run same time (down to the tenth 00.0(X)?.. & trap) ..Every damn Time and I Still Don't understand that!👍
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@@CanIbeFrank 3.15 for the s197
@@CanIbeFrank thx nvm
@scarface9617 gearing don't matter much with a 10 speed it already has tons of gears it's geared super aggressive doesn't need rear end gearing it has that in the Trans. That isn't the case with a manual there's definately a difference.
Which 1 won?
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Frank what’s better NA if you only rev to 7500 3.73 or 3.55
3.73. Set up the car to rev higher if you can
373 is always better but people really Knit pick 3.55 and 3.73 isn't that different it's .18 difference barely enough to notice.
So what should i get? 3.73 or 3.31?
3.73
Nevermind I sold my car.@dudebro7227
Which one is running 3.73?
Red car (Roberto's car)
Both Mt82 or 6r80?
Both MT82. Both same mods.
💩📦 vs 🗑
Cry here 👇 if you don’t own a car and love big tip, even if you have to use a backup to admit it
How lame do you have to be to come on every video about mustangs and talk shit. Get a life.
Cry here 👆 if you don’t own a car and love big tip, even if you have to use a backup to admit it
Thanks for admitting it ^
3.73 vs 3.31 don’t make that difference there is lots of factors those 2 cares are nothing alike
Go mustang
Sup frank im first here 🎉
My bad bro, switched from Tend_Vigilanyes beitch @$$ comment on accodent.😂
For anyone that cares. A 3.55 car would clap the both of them
I definitely preferred 331 in my 13gt over 373s too much shifting.
Well, fact is, if you can turn the rpm and it sticks, it doesn't matter! Literally had 4.10s in the GT500 @ 670rwhp. Have 4.10s in the Boss 302 @ 600rwhp, and have 4.10s in my Fox @ 770ish rwhp... Also got 3.73s in a 2v @ 600rwhp.
The difference? RPM. The valve train is built for it and the heads and intake flow well there w/ the cam combo... Every car named has a MINIMUM of 7500rpm, Boss highest at 8400rpm.
So that there is most people's problem!! Trying to turn rpm on stock valve trains/factory limited combos. Need proof? Look at Rotary engines and Hondas.... Hell any non American engine in general usually turns more rpm.
@kingb75126 have you done any dragy 60-130 before and after gear swap on same set up?
Cheby killers 😁
NA c7 stingray beats gt500. Cope
Mustangs live in your head rent free, cry on the video harder.😂
P.s. $10k Civic beats $100k C8. Cope.😂
@@kingb75126 cry harder
@@kingb75126 bIacky
Slow cars🤮
Chill g lol my boys fbo coyote walked a hellcat chargers lol
Fbo cars use y’all for practice
@@captainohsowavyI always get gapped by altimas in my hellcat. It’s only stock though.
@@captainohsowavy ahh your boy..friend has a fast car but i bet you drive a corolla 🤣
@@4evamobbin534 your corolla gets gapped by dodge darts 🤣
@@captainohsowavy NA c7 stingray beats gt500. Cope
4.10 FTW
410 is too much in an 11-17 mt82 car. They have very very aggressive gearing for a 6 speed manual...
Anyone know what mph red line is for 3.73 for second gear?
70mph
That depends on what manifold and tuning you have and where your redline is and your overall tire height too effects this. Lots of variables...