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F22A Head F23A Block Build - All Motor High Compression ITBs - CB7 Build EP. 12 - 92 Honda Accord
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มี.ค. 2020
- Finishing assembling my built all motor F22a / F23a Hybrid
F22a Head with a lot of Bisismoto goodies
F23a Block with Arias 12.5:1 CR and Molnar rods
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Man, never seen someone this young build an ENTIRE ENGINE by himself. Big props! God bless you and your family!
I agree 100%!
Which god(s)? And WTF does a god(s) have anything to do with it? So Allah bless you, vishnu too.
@@numberpirate u good?
@@jesseehargis fr. Been a year, hope he's in a better place now.
Nice, I alway swait until the head is on the block before fully installing the cam and valvetrain.
Why is it so hard to find someone building an accord I have had my 91 accord for over 12 years
Man idk I asked myself the same question years ago so I just said fu** it and started making videos
check out cb7tuner if you really want to, dying site but always helpful and welcoming
Dude same now I'm 32 . I got my honda accord when I turned 21 . Now its my project car
@@skyhigh5442 I’m 21 and a couple months ago started my cb7 build, I hope to still have my cb when I’m 32 😁
3 years later I'm back to the video lol still have my car still haven't been able to get my engine built it's been broke down since shortly after I commented 3 or so years ago now I can't even find an engine to get it running again
You have some good skills man subscribed! I have a 6th gen accord coupe with the f23 vtec and this inspires me to rebuild
What I did for my balance shaft eliminator kit was use the tensioner for the balance shafts as a spacer
This helped me decide what we wanted with our engine build on our cb's. Thank you so very much for posting!
Hell yeah glad to hear it! Let me know when you get started on the build
@@JaayPeeBuilt just got news from my engine builder and we may be able to recieve our engine by the end of the year. I'll definitely keep you updated. My wife and I are so excited to start hitting track days and car events!
This video made me a subscriber. I've been a mechanic for 24 years and love when someone has a great plan. Everything you did was perfect. There's on one thing i want to comment about. No hate btw. Most people with stud mounted heads would have put the head on first. The reason is because sometimes, the studs kinda scratch the heads causing some aluminum to fall on the head gasket. But, you did a great job on your build. I just wanted to warn you on that. However, i sure you didn't have that problem. Keep up the great work. You got me for a subscriber!
Awesome video! Definitely one of my favorite engines! Is got great HP and TQ ratio for a sohc engine.
this is my first vid ive seen from you; and im really happy to see how excited you are right from the start, im like you aswell, not alot of money but i want nice things right now im sporting a 90% stock CE1 (5th gen accord wagon) F23A jdm block swapped w/ megan racing test pipe, its a solid setup but im here to learn how to build my old blown F22B1 so that when the time comes i can do it right lol
Awesome build. I ran a similar setup for my old single cam party horse- stock F23a block/crank/rods, PRB pistons-installed backwards, ported F22a6 head, Delta cam, H23 intake manifold-ported, Bisi replica header to 3” Thermal R&D exhaust, H2B S80 LSD trans with 4.4 final. It ran very well and had a super flat torque curve.
You got any videos of the car?
@@cambodianboost3945 I’m sure I do, at least some go pro video from track days and dyno days and whatnot. I’ll see what I’ve got on the laptop after work. I think the engine is actually still in use for the guy I sold the car to as well; I had it in an Accord but it was a PITA to get the tranny setup right. The shifter mostly. The new owner pulled it and put it in an EG when I sold it, not sure if that’s where the setup stayed or not.
WHP AND WTQ NUMBERS? Also your redline?
Nice work on the engine looks good😮👍👍
Im watching this 3 years later. Excellent vid man.
A walk through on the f22a trans would be an awesome video 😎🙌
Damn cb7 F series goals 🔥 I’ll get there one day
Qloc Corleone thanks man, much appreciated!
This is what I wanted to see right here . I could use some advice from a guy like you !
Finally, I found actual footage on TH-cam of an F22 with ITB’s!
Say, what model is that ITB again?
Actually you didnt
fire build bro, keep it up !
Ryan Fernandez thanks man!
Nice build dude
Also recommend Gates FleetRunner belt for the alternator. Much stronger belt than oe gates, they’re designed for millions of miles on semi trucks. Plus they’re green
This is so awesome
Much respect Brodie these f series platforms never get much attention I’m currently building my 99 accord 5 speed w f23a1 love to see someone creating content on the f series motors keep up the good work homie
Yeah man there is almost nothing for us on youtube.... I had to take it into my own hands😅🔧
Which HG/Pulley did y'all end up going with? Also, which timing belt? Thanks 👍
Got the same bottom end, JDM F23A you gave me a lot of ideas look forward to your process. Impressive build I gotta say tbh!! Give credit when credit is Due yeh know
Nice. Reminds me of Jafros build with used DSM parts.
Bro loved the vid
This is something Iv wanted to see for such a long time I wanted to do this with my accord by the head gasket blew so rip dreams of that :(
Awesome build man !! Love seeing the F series get some love they have a lot of potential !! Smaller mains is usually sought after in high performance engines due to crank speed on the bearings face a larger main is spinning faster than a smaller main at the same rpm but it’s not a big deal just something I picked up years ago built right it won’t matter I believe and I paint all mine also 👍🏻
Oh for sure thanks man
The girdle on the f23 is very strong and stout especially with a forged bottom end he's golden. They are reving 100mm k27's stupid high granted its drag racing but for what hes doing the lift of the cam will determine how high he'll need to go. 8,500-9,000 road racing will be plenty no need to go higher. I'd rather have the 97mm stroke in a accord any day.
I disagree the f20b/c has the best rod ratio, high reving h, f, and has 55mm mains. The k24 engine has 55mm mains and people install the k24 crank in s2000 engines and can be done in a h series block also, check rosko racing's site. When your talking "high speed" I think the s2000 engine takes the cake making power all day to 9k stock. Makes no sense why Honda would start with 50mm mains with the beginning of the h22 and went 55mm with the h22a4 much later, then f20c, and k24.
Chip Watson yeah those were my thoughts since the beginning👍🏽 at this point the block isn’t a concern now I’m just curious to see how far this cam can take me😅
@@JaayPeeBuilt I wouldn't worry about that at all I'd rather have a 97mm stroke any day especially in a accord. For example a d16 has a larger stroke than a b16 and because of this it makes peak torque much sooner in the power band which is a overlooked benefit. In road racing a broad power band is much more important with a h22 transmission with a 4.2 final drive especially when it comes to a heavy Honda accord chassis. It's not like you have a f/h2b crx with a 4.4 final drive...my 2001 f23 Honda accord weighs 3000lbs. I haven't heard many engine builders stress the benefit of smaller mains for the benefit of engine speed, even rod ratio is usually the last thing they consider when building a engine. This isnt a carbon fiber F1 car revving to 15k with a unlimited budget.
You can build a F23a head and use j30a4/a5 35/30mm valves and j32a2 springs, little port work and have a easy 300cfm head for dirt cheap. Use J30a pistons or k20a pistons and you have a beast on a budget. f23a flows the same as f22a on the intake ports but 15 cfm more on the exhaust side. don't sleep on the F23A.
Anytime you have the ports exposed dust will get in them but some blue tape over them will keep everything clean till your ready to install the rest .
Nice 😎🤟 . That was a nice tool you using to adjust the valves . I'm working on my f22a1 too and I would like to know where or how to found the tool you using for the valves ?
I am considering those itb's for my cb7 also. Can't wait to hear them sing! Also update us if any issues with the itb's.
Jermaine yeah I can’t wait to hear them! And I’m planning on making a video focused on the itbs after I get it running
Great video man. I’m currently sitting on a f22b1 I have been wanting to do something similar. I’m always told to mess with the b1 and do a swap. Thoughts?
what kind of valves and springs are you using? I need to find some goodones for my turbo build.. thanx
Don't see a lot of f23 builds. Should be a very responsive motor once its done. cant wait to see the outcome
Gonna run a naturally aspirated setup on my cb7 so I can really get those nice rev ranges for canyon runs
Hell yeah!!
Totally proper clean build keep up the good work! The cb7s gonna be an absolute ripper with that built motor! Are those obx itbs & how is it set up?
Thank you dude! And yeah they are H23 OBX itbs and they fit directly on the F22A head.
How do you install the tensioner bearing without the balance shaft tensioner? Does the spacer came with the delete kits?
What serpentine belt did you use? Love the vid 🤙🏽
This is awesome man. I feel like CB7's are overlooked. People dont realize the potential behind these F series. Not saying they are K fast, but to see an all motor build like this is gonna be interesting. Not a lot of content on youtube on 4th gen accords either so kudos to you man! Love the channel keep up the awesome work.
Accordingly lol defiantly not a K! But yeah these F22 heads have some crazy potential! Thanks man I appreciate it!🙏🏽
Where did you find that oil pressure plug for the block that regulates to the head?
Hmmm hats off nicely done, but im hoping all the things said about f23 blocks splitting or cracking resulting in cooling issues, have a jdm f23 and haven't had this issue happen or know anyone who has, but with that compression if it survives then i regain my faith in f23's nice work.
Super cool video. What kinda transmission are you going to run? P2a8?
You using main studs for the f23a1? where did you get them and do you have a part number? Need that please lol
@jaaypeebuilt did you ever hit the dyno while it was NA? And if so what numbers you hit? Just curious because I now have an f23a myself and I am very interested in building it for my niece's 91 accord
Get a windage tray from a f22a6, it bolts to the mains girdle.
What kind of tune did you run on it as well? Was the timing took out a bunch? And on pump gas or e85?
So the F22A1 Head goes straight to the F23A/A1 Short Block without issue ?
I have both motors in Long Block form and want to do something similar but just curious if anything is needed to be done to get them to mate up.
Sick work and it's been interesting to watch.
Do I have to do anything to the f23 block to prevent oil leaks with the f22a head? F23a head gasket is needed anything else?
Question! I have an f22a1 motor. I wanted to swap the head for a f22a6.
What ecu do I use? My original one or do I need the one that came with the f22a6?
So you didn't have any issues with the f22a head on f23a block, with the oil port not having the oil control orifices?
What level of bisi cam are you running?
Thanks for the great video man. Really enjoyed the walk through.
Where did you find the blue gates performance timing belt? I've had no luck finding one.
thank you I appreciate it! And I think I went with the F23 timing belt, I'll try to get a part# this weekend.
@@JaayPeeBuilt Thanks brother. Was pretty cool to see another CB7 fan with the goal of a performance NA F-series.
They’re harder to find, according to gates they’ve been superseded by an “RPM” belt which is black
@@JaayPeeBuilt Yeah I found some for the F23 after posting this but not the F22. However I'm thinking of ditching the F22 short block I have and just getting the F23 now. Would save some in the long run not having to bore to 86mm plus the benefit of the larger journal
anyone have the link with bisimotos article about cylinder head choices. looking for which single cam would be best for boost. f series. vtec or non vtec. thanks
Where did you get that ks tuned oil pump from
Would a smaller journal be better for rpms? I'm doing my first build on a honda motor but the more rare a sought after 327 small journal is what everyone wants cause it can Rev higher due to the smaller journal.
What camshaft did you get from bisi
What did you do for your oil filter
It's gonna be all worth the wait man. 🔥 Build. What headers you running?
Much appreciated! I can't remember exactly but I think they are megan racing headers.
good job on this build, fyi the F23 head has more potential then the F22A. F23 has much better exhaust cfm and is just a tad under peak intake cfm vs an F22 by like 3. F23 also has roller rocker arms so that's less friction on the valvetrain, once you port out an F23 the difference is night/day. I build F23s. I almost went the F22A head route but I couldn't justify using it over an F23.
ay i need the links for the pistons, and rods
Bro where do I get those itb’s?
How you gonna filter the intake air?
This is awesome. What crankshaft timing gear did you use? Is the amount of teeth and timing mark angle the same from f22/f23?
Thanks man i think I ended up going with the f22a crank gear because of spacing with the balance shaft delete.. they are both the same diameter and teeth one just has a different flange type washer on it that makes it wider
Where can I shop around to start getting together an engine like this 😳
How much horsepower could I potentially gain from swapping the h23 head onto my f23?
Hey Jaay Pee Built !!! love you channel !!!! quick question: What's that tool you used at 33:02??
How or where did you get the ITB’s???
You may have already said this but what timing gear is that?
Did you install your balance shaft delete?
Hey did you need to do anything to the head take the f22a head fit on the f23 block?
No the f22a and the f23a will bolt right up, use the head bolts/ studs for the head you’re running
So which head gasket did u use? F23 or f22a gasket ?
Hi guys i have a big question f22 transmission fits on f23 enginge?
Maybe I missed it but what head gasket did you use? F23 or the F23?
Onde encontro esta polia de comando ajustavel?
can i get a parts list? love the build btw
Tell me why you chose the length of the intake runners as shown in the video
What size were the washers you ran for the tensioner
Cant wait bro what do you thing the hp torque numbers will be
dannnng idk! I'll be happy with 200hp lol
Looks good bruh 👍 im also building f23a1 block with k20a2 pistons bs delete an im using jdm f22b dohc for it
Alan Slim Jones hell yeah! That should be a beast💪🏽
@@JaayPeeBuilt yessir bruh I can't wait till get it all together 😈
Dude wait I can take pistons from a k20a2 at a junkyard and throw them inside my f23a1 and it will fit and run clean ???
@@longbeach2967 yes u can bruh u have to use ur f23a1 rods an turn k20a2 pistons 180 degrees to run them 👍
@@longbeach2967 Just go ahead and order new OEM a2 pistons ($100-$70) you wouldn't want junkyard pistons and rings. It does work, I actually just got done doing it to my 98 accord a few weeks ago.
I have a f23a1 I'm not looking for much maybe 350-400 max so I leave stock bottom end and F20B heads
bro where do yall get yalls parts
Where can I find an ITB set for an f22? The link is dead. I did notice that it says the ITB's are for an h22. So they still work on a f22 head?
They are h23a itbs the F22a and h23a share the exact same intake flange
Bro can you tell me real quick, did you have to plug the oil control orifices on the f23a block? Or did you use one or left it open??? I am right about to put my head on but I didn't see you do anything with it and I don't know if ill get smoke or what from having to much oil flow??
Sorry for the super late reply but I used the orifice plug from the f22a because I’m running the f22 head. The plug is basically just for non vtec heads.
I had trouble finding parts for my f23a1 anyway you can help me out boss?
Hey bro question what cam gear are you running? I just ordered the forged internals for my f22 and want to know what gears fit. I have been looking through so many fourms and sites it seems to have jumbled information. Some say d series cam gears work but they're 37teeth and the f22 is 40 tooth. The only thing I can find is the aem or blox cam gear. Any recommendations?
Pretty sure d series stopped with the 40 tooth cam gear after 1987. took me forever to find a 40 tooth adjustable cam gear. Its like they don't exist right now. I found one on ebay, some kid from Malaysia was selling a couple and I got the last one. might try contacting him and see if he has any left or will get anymore anytime soon. seller name is streetracing888. good luck.
Thank you
HOW MUCH IS THE TORQUE YOU APPLY TO THE OIL PUMP?
yo this is amazing, thanks for sharing man.
I have a new found respect for hondas, i blew the engine in my truck and needed something asap.
Found a 01 accord lx sedan for $900, i'm blessed. I got it with 300,000 km lol put 30k on it in less than a year, sold my truck after rebuild back to the dealer. I'm now realizing the potential for these engines after getting a lil bored. I was gonna get a golf gti but realized there's really no reason to be stuck in a $500 car payment not even including the insurance so while I save money not leasing a vehicle i'm planning on building a little beast.
Hey little brother wanted to know how much the motor and head coat I have a 01 accord ex sedan 5speed 2.3 ulev that needs bigger balls lol
10:20 looks like you forgot the lower spark plug seals that go under the rocker assembly. Did this affect your build?
Hey bro.. I've been asking anyone and everyone but all seem to just be to stuck up or don't want to tell me how I would get this f23a swap into my 95 obd1 accord.. I know I can use my dizzy and alternator but what about the iacv problem?? Can I just use my f22b1 intake manifold and injectors and will it be a completely obd1 conversion if I did? And will it work.. please if you can help me out that be kool bro.. drivenfilms photography is supposed to be the guru of f swaps and h swaps but he just goes on to tell people we just ask the same questions without answering none of them..
I have a 99 accord , if you have a parts list please send ASAP ! Thanks
Kinda makes you wonder what are the advantages if any to dual overhead cam?
Just more moving parts, more friction, weight, both are 16 valve, marketing mystery maybe? A little more timing adjustability between exhaust intake maybe? Just thinking..
It does give way more room and forgiveness when tuning timing… you can get into overlapping exhaust and intake valves for scavenging effect and things like that
where did you get the cam gear from
I got mine from bisimoto, if he don’t have it on the website I think you can buy one by hitting up bisimoto sales directly. That’s how I got my pistons made.
Awesome build I can't wait for the dyno!!!! So many awesome choices for a f,h, or g series engine. I personally love the h23 bluetop most with the 95mm stroke made way more power than all my h22 builds. The f22 head ported with stock valves flows around 305cfm where a h series vtec flows 300cfm with a good 3 angle valve job and stock ports. My f22/f23 build will have a delta 282* grind and ported h23 intake manifold and head by myself and k series pistons, stock rods, 97mm stroke. I'm hoping you get a better header the Ebay header with even a 2.5" collector mod is really going to limit your build with that high of compression, cam, and itbs.....bisi header...money well spent. Were revving stock h series blocks to 9k, skunk pro1 or 2 cams, good head work and header....280-300whp is very common now. On e85 or maybe pump gas I can see you making 230whp with tons of torque i just wish they had a try y header for the f22 that wasnt very expensive. Your build is badass, stoked for you!!! Way to be different and also patient doing it right the first time.
Chip Watson yeah man I’m super excited but I’ve been trying to find bisi header with no luck so Im planning on going full custom exhaust from the header back with 3” piping. And I really want an ATI damper before hitting the dyno! And I’m also gonna upgrade the cam asap.
Chip Watson but hell yeah I’m glad someone else out there actually knows the potential of these engines!!👍🏽
@@JaayPeeBuilt 3" exhaust makes a huge difference even made power across the entire power band on a d16 engine. The Ati pulley is expensive I personally would pay a machinist to put a f series pulley on a lathe for around $30 and machine off the power steering and ac ribs leaving just the alternator rib like a civic type r pulley and have it balanced. With your bottom end being balanced and assembled so well the risk of you spinning a rod bearing is lessened but if so a f23 crank is inexpensive if needed to be replaced. If you haven't bought your bisi cam John at delta cam can do a 272 or 282 grind for only $100 they are in Tacoma Washington. I know h22 engines experience valve lift at 8,600 rpm(sure f22 stock springs are worse) I would just go aftermarket like supertech. Crower even has steel retainers which are lighter than stock and inexpensive if your worried about titanium chipping. The Ebay header is your only drawback but modding the collector by chopping and expanding it to 2.5" is to make the best of it. Ive even heard of guys using a h22 header and modding it to a f22 flange im sure it's pretty close(ebay h22 tri y=big power).I've been tuning Hondas since 1998 and spent way too much time on Honda tech on the all motor forum especially researching everyone's builds, dynos, and my own experience. Bisi is a really cool and smart guy that has been drag racing hondas since the 80's and went 9's with the f series. Reason why he chose that platform was because the f22 non vtec head's port design was very similar to the s2000 head, the man is a genius. Your build is sick as hell take it to a good tuner, you can always pick up some rdx 410cc injectors . They've been proven to make 5whp because they spray at a finer micron over others.
Hell yeah thanks man I appreciate the info I’m defiantly gonna look into a delta regrind and that’s a good idea with the crank pulley I have an extra f22a4 crank pulley laying around.
Chip Watson what’s the best way to get in contact with delta cam for a regrind?
What's the bearing codes
Never got any rpm shots of the f22a/f23a high comp build you had.. was it quick? Ratings from a stock gs-r and stock h22a where would it land?
I was still breaking in the engine when I crashed it. It was just on a safe base tune with only a little timing added and it was running pretty rich. So I didn’t get to feel the full potential but it was pretty quick, way more torque than my homies ls vtec , just think super throttle responsive h22 with even more torque.
@@JaayPeeBuilt hell yeah bro. I loved how the sedan looked.. you had it about mint perfect bro.. sucks that shit happened, but they say it happens to the best of us.. the coupe will look even cleaner for version 2.0 I'm rebuilding my cd5 right now.. I was running a turbo on it but I had to many oil leaks and just keep thinking it wasn't perfect and tried to fix one thing but some other thing will fail right after.. it was a jdm f23a block and f22a head m2f4 prelude trans.. now I'm starting all over and doing everything from ground up.. wire tuck, paint the bay and shave what I can.. abs delete, and keep it all motor. Usdm f23a1 block with fresh bearings done the right way with color matched bearings for each main and rod bearings, I went off the ingraved marks on the block and matched the letters and numbers with bearings that way along with plastic gauge as well. Now I can breathe on the crank bolt and the engine will spin smooth as butter lol.. Hopefully I can get mine as clean as yours, I'm slowly getting one part at a time working as a diesel mechanic. Delta 272 regrind camshaft and bisi springs and retainers is on the top of my list. I want to go with k20a2 pistons again but I need to get my tune straight... I can't run e85 since its not available.. so I need to take timing out of a high compression base map.. I think a type r basemap would be my best choice then just take 10 or so degrees out the whole map.. idk if h22a basemap are that high of compression.. otherwise I'd just start out with that.. but my bad im rambling... I get carried away talking cars bru.. lol..
Whats your hp goal? I have a spare f23a sitting in my garage
With this first version of the head I’ll be happy with 200whp and Then we’ll see how far I can push it 👌🏽
Long live the single cam any Bisimoto parts used ??
The whole head is built with bisimoto parts, he says it in the beginning of the vid
How’s your car running buddy!
Hello, I have an accord motor f23a, what brand and model of pistons did you install and what is the model of the adjustable pulley that you placed on the cam
The cam gear is bisimoto and the pistons are bisimoto spec pistons made by Aries pistons. You should be able to order them. By hitting up bisimoto sales directly.
@@JaayPeeBuilt Ok, but this cam gear is for f22 head, this cam gear ist very diferent for f23 cam gear, Could you tell me if with that cam gear and the head of f23 it would only work by changing the timing belt?
@@JaayPeeBuilt Could you give me the part number of the cam gear and the part number and brand of the timing belt please
What car did this go into?