LC78 TROOPY VS LC76-WAGON? WHAT'S BETTER? Toyota Land Cruiser Review | 4xOverland
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- It can be a tough choice between Toyota land Cruiser 70-series. Here having owned both, I talk about the practical differences between the the Land Cruiser 76 Wagon and the Land Cruiser Troopcarrier. Let me help you make the best choice for your 4x4 and 4WD touring needs.
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I can't put my finger on it, but something about your channel is so pure and unselfish. It's not for Fame or money but purely passion. I can't explain how much I come home and need these videos some days. To make me feel like a human again.
E C: " It's not for Fame or money but purely passion"! Are you sure you got that right? How do you think he makes his living?
snake in the grass
At least he doesn’t put millions of annoying ads and these are really high quality documentaries.
He's a little self important at times because he needs to brand himself and that's fine. That's what you do when you make a living doing car films. Definitely better than the vast majority though. He and Ronny Dahl are very very good.
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Agree. They have the best content. Although I would like if Dahl was more interactive in the comments but that’s understandable. I learned a lot from them. I might also add MadMatt 4WD.
@@Agent.K. haven't checked him out. Will do though thanks for the suggestion 👍
Being able to sleep in-vehicle is such a huge benefit for so many reasons
And for those that have never had that option, you would never know.
Being able to wake up and leave camp at 5am with no packing up
Being able to turn the vehicle on and run the heater on freezing mornings
Being able to wake up in a down pour of rain and leave without stepping out of the vehicle
Being able to drive further at night, because setting up for the night is so easy
Only needing the vehicle footprint to camp up
Access to fridge and supplies at all times
The ability to urban camp when you have too
Finally!!! Someone else knows what it’s like
Hi, there; I have an African Troopy with wich I have visited the six continents (including wonderful Aussie). I have camped it uniquely, with a 20 seconds put on/put off bed for two people (1,80 x 1,40), fridge, two pantries, two horizontal wardrobes, sink/cuby box, hot/cold external shower, DC/AC converter, cooker, static heater, chemical WC, internal lights, two folding tables and a cosy interior. From outside it looks like a stock Troopy, and that's perfect for urban camp (as we had done in Odessa, Ukrainia in 2013, for example, and Italy, and some other places. These cars are perfect for long haul travelling, exploring and whatnot. I just want to thank you and Andrew St Pierre White for his marvellous and truly passionate videos and talks. In this all too fake era of people ignoring what real 4x4 means (and that is soul-expansion, deep nature breathing, not filigree rock wirework -which may be great if you like it, but not my approach to it), your techings are really encouraging. I wish we can meet some day on the road -who knows… All the best, take care, and go ahead !
The whole world is your backyard
You would cook to death in North Aus unfortunately. I haven't lived anywhere where sleeping inside a closed vehicle is a realistic option.
All valid points. 70 Series are for the enthusiast only, ready for serious building and touring. Love our 76, deleted back seats and gullwings - perfect tourer for two. Great Video.
I got one... And I love it so much... It's a big van with a powerful engine and a superb 4x4 capabilities
Troopy for life .. thanx Andrew
Legend
I truly like the mechanical HVAC system and simple interior as those will never fail and super easy to operate. I hope toyota will continue to make simple and reliable 4x4's in the future and make those available in the US.
Came here for Attenborough comments, wasn't disappointed.
Keep up the videos Mr. White. 👍
No doubt the troopy is a better overland/touring vehicle. It has unparalleled space and customisability, and far superior fuel capactiy. I ordered one then changed my mind and bought a 76. I needed a vehicle that I can live with every single day. The troopy is 2.1m tall stock, which is the height of standard garages and carparks in NSW. So once you fit a rack, lift and 33s you can say goodbye to using the troopy to get the groceries. The shorter wheelbase of the 76 also gives it a much better turning circle and makes it reasonable to live with every day in urban areas. I'm looking to to remove remove the rear seat and fit a cargo platform and second spare wheel inside. Water tanks in the rear footwells, 180L long ranger tank and 40L fuel on the rear bar, then suddenly you have vehicle that can go everywhere the troopy can but is easier to live with on a day to day basis.
You hit on a very important point here. Wheel base is key for daily driving. I test drive my mum's old school (and totally mint) 2 door 2nd gen Rav4 every time I fit new tyres, oil changes etc and I absolutely love that little thing. It's shorter than a Mini and the turning circle is absurdly good, you don't have to parallel park it ever, it can just drive in nose first into any parking spot. The inside rear wheel turns on a dime at full lock. If you're buying a 70 for daily driving and don't need a tray, the 76 is a no-brainer. Troopys are for commercial use in mines etc or for heavily modifying for serious over-landing. Anything else it's a 76 hands down.
The troop carrier is not only great for usability, it just looks like a real 4x4. It is like the Tiger 1 looks like a tank. Yes there are much prettier vehicles but the Troop Carrier just screams 4 wheel drive at you and that counts for something too!
I’d like to see the same comparison but 76 vs 79!
I couldnt agree more. We love our troopie. 1994 diesel manual. Bought her 6 months old with 9000 ks. Now has 680000 ks not a serious issue yet. A real faithful friend. Thanks toyota.
Great report, got to say...I love my 76 we are a family of 4 and we spend up to two weeks in the bush with our 76. You have to learn the art of packing and taking things you NEED not WANT on any trip.
If I did it all a gain it would be a 200 GX for us.
I traded my 200 GXL for a 76, we too are a family of 4 and I honestly thought the 200 was a ‘soccer mums’ 4x4, the 76 is great and more of a real 4x4 👍
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Wonderful to see ur passion for the Troopy Andrew, lovin ur vids!
my comment would be that the wagon looks awesome ! great looking athletic profile, troopy looks good to though
I first saw your programme back in 2006 in super sport 2 channel and being a land cruiser lover i like your programm we thanks to youtube i found you again
"I off road therefore I am" Descartes
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Americans would go berserk if they brought back a sqaureish land cruiser that looks like a 70 series. Especially a diesel version.
No they wouldn't everyone says that but it would have to be brought up to U.S safety and environmental standards making a already expensive truck more expensive. Ton of product manufacturers hear I'd buy 3 if someone just made it then the company goes bankrupt because it's customers are ghost 👻.
@@jimbotheassclown A stripped down land cruiser without all the luxuries would make the land cruiser cheaper and open a market for 3rd party companies to step in. It would create an environment for TRD to make more customized products. Still it will still be a niche product but for sure they would sell more land cruisers than the present one is selling for.
Not to mention it would create an environment for Americans to use their brains more and get more creative.
Niche products = bankruptcy. They have to redesign it just for the Safety and EPA standards for the U.S it's already striped down and expensive without the the redesigns needed for the U.S market so that means a new production line. As for aftermarket how many roof racks and light bars do you need?
@@healer81 How can you strip down a Landcrab? They have nothing in them to start with.
@@einfelder8262 Im talking about the one they sell in America. The round but reliable big engine gas guzzler. They dont sell much of them so it keeps the price up.
"to offroad or not offroad: that is the question" (Shakespeare, W. 1986).
Augusto Rysevas Silveira 1986???
This is such a great video. I love how understatedly funny it is
Thank you for your video, I have been having the same internal Debate for a while..........now I will show my wife (The Boss) your video and let her decide.
You’re the most sincere, I’d go straight to the shop cause of your word
Personally the 76 is for me. Maybe if I did more touring I might change my mind but the 76 is just so capable when doing the harder stuff, with a shorter wheel base. Also prefer not being Weighted down with all that gear, I'm more a fan of keeping it simple when camping just with my swag and essentials. But the most important part I think it just looks better 😎
Same reasons why we decided to buy a 76, more than enough space for longer trips. We're 2 plus a dog so we have to travel as light as possible. This in itself is an extra adventure.
I've been lucky enough to have had both. The troopy had to much space, you got lazy, just throw it in there's enough space. You ended up carrying a lot heavy unnecessary gear. Move to the 76 was an exercise in culling everything. Canning Stock Route, 3 people, 32l freezer, 18l fridge, three Bunkers (stretcher beds) and we had all we needed while being under GVM.
Craig Ice only swags and a fridge and freezer? no cooking gear? Recovery gear? Tools? Lighting? Chairs? Water?
@@silva69ers Hahaha, yes of course all the usual gear too.
I have a 2002 Tacoma, and I had a 1987 Toyota pick up (it was stolen by drug addicts). I just love the no frills, pure function over style of my Tacoma. Absolutely love it. Here's another reason I really like this channel - Andrew is wearing a Submariner.
This is like if sir David Attenborough was a car reviewer. Super calm, collected, well spoken.
Well made points. We have a 76 and are normally 2, but sometimes the grandkids want to come along. So the seats are important. So is the shorter wheel base in the rough. I have built a lightweight platform which I pop in after having removed the back seat (4 bolts). Use the same bolts to secure the platform which covers a 70l water tank plus some storage space. The platform is the same height as the rear drawer system, so we can sleep in the rear if we need to. Yes, the shorter wheelbase makes this a bit cramped, and one needs to push the front seat forward and throw a bag or two in there to extend the bed-but it is not normal for us to want to sleep inside the vehicle so it does the job. Troopy is a great project vehicle!
Wow. It's not necessarily the price, but what you get for your money. Your dollars don't go really far on that troop carrier at all. I could purchase and do an all-out build on an E-series Ford van and I could probably come out right about where just the purchasing price is on that troopy, and have more room! Or even do a Cummins diesel swap in a chevy suburban with an all-out overlanding setup, and be well under that Troopy purchase budget. I guess that guy was right, you have to really want that stripped-out van to buy one. You do a great job with the channel Andrew, I'm a huge fan!
The intro was spectacular. You nailed it 😂
My troopy has turned into a nightmare.. I recently pulled all the interior out of my troopy due to rust caused by rain water leaking in from many many places.. I was shocked at what I found behind the scenes. I pulled the roof liner out to find large areas that were unpainted bare steal covered in rust, I removed the door seal and found large holes around where the steel is joined together and mistakes were made during manufacturing, which has caused door frame to crack. The roof gutters and most of the body frame is full of glue or bog from factory which is becoming unstuck and cracked allowing water to leak in causing rust. The bolts used to hold the body frame together around the engine bay are undersized and have broken completely off. Very large cracks have appeared around the bonnet hinges and the bog is starting to break away. The steel is so thin in areas that you can tare it in half like paper with bare hands. All the plastic parts on my troopy are turning to dust after 10 years or so and it is very hard to find replacement parts for these vehicles. There is mind boggling amounts of plastic clips that hold the interior together rather then screws which makes it impossible to remove without breaking them.
The list of problems with my troopy is getting longer. I have no idea how Toyota are allowed to sell these cars. These vehicles are very poorly made, unsafe and terrible to drive but yet they are so expensive to buy used. You literally get nothing for what you pay for a Toyota so I will be selling my troopy to some poor bugger as soon as I can find some parts for it..
Ah, you guys in Australia and elsewhere don't know how lucky you are to even be able to buy one or the other! We haven't been able to buy land cruisers new in Canada since like 1982 or something.
It's great when you find a vehicle that resonates with you, though, isn't it? And it's plain to see that the 70 series Land Cruiser, especially the Troopy, really does with you, Andrew. I feel similarly about my RD1 CR-V. I absolutely love it and it's one of the best thought out vehicles I've ever driven. It was never designed to go head to head with vehicles like the defender or the land cruiser, but it's so utterly brilliant and shockingly capable for what it is that I can't help but love it.
LR(Disco)3- roof top tent, kitchen and water/shower set up in the rear, as well as gear storage on top of that. Rear seats fold to a double bed. Seats five. Sleeps five. I meant to replace the air suspension, but it works too well. Then I thought ,"I'll put spring in when it goes..." 120K miles and counting, 95k+ off road. Central and North America only... But, every flipping inch of it!
Edit*** I love this channel BTW.
Hi Andrew, Love your videos. Watch every single one of them. However on vehicle builds you always talk about vehicles for two people. I understand that it is your requirement and may be demand. Would you be able to do a video for families with kids, if possible. Thanks for great videos and advice. Cheers.
You can take family in a troopy..still a grest car esp 1HD FTE engine.
I was thinking about a 78 Troopy with 5 seats, Alu Cab Hercules rooftop conversion with 270 Shadow Awning + tent wall + Shower Cube and towing an X3 camper trailer from Patriot Campers.
what a fantastic little video well done thanx Andrew
Great video. I've often wondered how one accessed the rear seats in the Troopy
Whatever this guy is on... I am all in!
Very good review Andrew. I have owned the Troopy (GXL, 2010 model) and driven lots of 76 crew cabs at work, in the Territory. Love them both. However, lack of space in the 76 is a real issue. As you note the usable space in the 76 is smaller than most comparable vehicles, the GU Patrol for example. My Troopy was a great vehicle but it was extremely noisy on sealed road (with Coopers ATs only). Both models could use a higher ratio on 5th gear, which would suit Aussie conditions where we have to drive long distances on sealed roads to get to our desert tracks. Still, with the demise of the GU Patrol with a beam axle, the Defender and the SUVing of the rest, there is not much choice in Australia now for a usable off road vehicle. My next one will probably be a 76 series with lots of work. Fridge and roller drawers. Good roof rack for the tent, swag, chairs etc. Regards.
[8:55] No longer the case, as they have introduced Alu-Cab THOR Roof Conversion for LC76. I would still prefer a Troopy as it has more storage space and "so much scope of development."
They really need to fix the rear track and the clutch. That clutch is far to weak. It needs replacing with an aftermarket one immediately you take delivery.
Put a turbo and inter cooler on one and it didn’t finish the first journey without slipping the clutch.
Problem is that they don't sell enough 70 series worldwide to make it worthwhile for them to spend money on development.
The best solution is just to get one built before 2007. You get correct wheel track and no clutch problems.
A Troopy with rear doors and coils all around would be pretty sweet.
It has rear doors, but coils would be nice.
@@4xoverland he was talking about rear Passenger doors
@@HeadShotMGOO yeah. But then it wouldn't be a Troopy. I't be a wagon.
@@4xoverland I agree butt I was just stating what he meant in his comment.
@@4xoverland Technically, but it would have the high ceiling and extra space of a Troopy. A friend of mine has had one converted with rear doors, works really well. Bigger than a 76 but better access than a Troopy. His still has leafs in the rear though.
I have a 1996 FJ73 soft top. I live in South America. It's a better off-road vehicle than the troopy and wagon but probably small for overlanding in Africa and Australia due to everyone wanting huge rooftop tents and the weight everyone adds. But the midsize wheel base is better for action. We have a ton of old 4x4 vehicles here in Colombia that are rare releases for the rest of the world. They've never stopped making the short and mid wheel base 70 series here. It's old 4x4 heaven here. 40-90 series everywhere on the road. Jeep Willys and land Rover defenders also.
but you are funny Andrew. always puts a smile on the dial. like E C , I look forward to your videos. I also own a troopie. 1991 with 1995 running gear. I find looking at this video the similarities between the 76 and mine. the heater controls are identical. lol. keep up the great work mate. cheers
Awesome , fantastic comparison .
I'm trying to sweet talk to mrs to get a 76 cruiser....just love the grunt...
Doesn't have much from factory
Nice video as usual, two things comes to mind:
1) Short wheel base vs long wheel base while tackling rough terrain?
2) Gullwing doors are more susceptible to dust entering the vehicle than a factory door.
My thoughts: The wheelbase difference here is so small it makes no perceptible difference in off-road handling. The fact that the 76 is a little less top-heavy makes more of a difference. And gull-wings aren't really a dust problem if they are well made, and being at the side, let in very little dust. My kitchen doesn't have any dust in it as all even after a long run. So differences yes, significant? Not really.
Humorous and informative, thank you
Can you please do a re comparison of the 76,78 and include the 79
Great video Andrew, well explained and well thought out for the pro's and con's of both vehicles. Cheers, Don (Dons Shed and Xplor Overland)
GO THE 76!!! 👍
Love your channel.
Iv had both yes the troopy has heaps of room i miss it heaps, but i now have kids and the 76 series 4 doors work for us they both awsome rigs
Good description and comparison given by you Sir.
I See die 76 wagon more as a passender car, while the troopy is more a small offorad van, that can be fitted for various needs...
Love your videos!
Long lasting and functional is great, here in the states people love showing off gimmicks they purchase. Nobody shows off the broken/malfunctioning gimmicks after time has passed.
2:59 perfectly sums up toyota in its own, never the best, very reliable and ordinary, but you can't complain about it, it just works!
As usual, awesome video...
Love my 80 but dream of models not sold here in the USA. Land cruiser is king!
I would like to see a video about choosing the right overland car in europe and which top 5 cars you would buy in 2019. I think that is a very tough one. (there is no troopy, no defender anymore...) have fun and as always great video!
He reminds me of the “Actually” meme kid that has grown up. Exactly the same build and mannerisms too.
Apparently kid*
In Australia we have troopys with a rear passenger door. Usually rusty and flogged because they are ex mining cars
The motor space and front bumper in the 70 series are enormously long. The 76 has only 1.6 m between the front seat back rests and the rear door. Too short if you want to build a bed inside. I use a 79 single cab with aluminum canopy for overlanding. The canopy's five doors allow good access. The entire area of the cargo bay is a large and permanent (sleeping) bed. The disadvantage of the 79 is the even longer wheelbase and the cargo bay is not waterproof at all so you can't ford extreme water heights.
It's not hard to pick one. When living in a smal space, the #1 commodity is real estate/weight. The Troopy will always win there so it's not even a debate.
I love your videos very good
Great review. Thanks.
Thank you for that great video, helped me a lot! Would u recommed the 76 as an daily?
Legend!! Thank you!!
Loved the video. So much awesome content. What I'd like to know is where you get those rear Gul wing windows? Look really good
Love this guy
Andrew what about a comparison between your v8 troopy and the old 1hd-fte troopy
I think his last troopy was a 1hz with a turbo
Great review. I have to say that the looks of the 70 series really capture me. The rear leaf springs can be made very comfortable and flexy with companies like Alcan and Deaver. What this video made me realize, however, is that, for my uses, my 80 series is better. I've got the 1HDT diesel, 35s and lockers front and rear. For a weekend car, I can take 7 people out rock crawling in comfort. Time to dream about a 70 series less and enjoy my 80 more.
In the middle east we have the 71 short wheel base version
It only weighs 1700 kg
It's a beast in the sand and it climb mountain roads like a mountain goat
However it's not very practical due to the limited space.
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I would say that both these 2 options are for the more "left field" traveler as the majority of 70 series you see out and about are 79 series single or duel cab.
Anyone want to talk about safety? Much was made about the Jeep Wrangler's dismal Euro NCAP 1-star rating, but Toyota won't even submit the 76 or troopie for testing! The 70-series single cab on the other hand did rather well in the Aussie equivalent (more or less?) ANCAP crash test.
why would they submit it to euro ncap when it's not sold there?
@@kichaa13 Uhhh...and why do you think these models are not sold in Europe? NOTE: Toyota also did not submit the 76 or Troopie for ANCAP testing in Australia, where they are sold.
No.. We dont want to talk about safety. Life isn't safe, we can live with this. Grew up in the 80s and 90s and we're still here
@@philipjooste9075 not sold in Europe? i just bought a new one LC78
@@gerpepels3015 which country?
i hope you can come guyana ... we have some of the most amazing terrain
Wish we had a troopy in the US. Closest we can get to that build that I can think of is a sportsmobile and you can’t even get a new e150 for conversion anymore.
You can do roof conversions with the 76 including from Alu-cab…..
Wonderful... Now how about the troopy vs the 79 series 6x6 like you had in Dubai?
Everything standard but functional, it worked for the landy the greatest work horse ever made, so they must be onto a winner
would love to see you convert a defender 110 5dr to have the practicality of the extra doors and an alu-cab roof
You summed it up right. It’s a van. It’s a van on solid axels
Nice comparison covering pros and cons 👍
I miss my 75 troopy. Maybe after the 105 I'll get one again.
You can sometimes find troopys with a single rear passenger door! Best of both worlds
Enjoyed your vid but wanted to know do you still love your Ali cab camper after all your trips or would a full roof camper top be better suited.
I’m playing with the idea of purchasing an ex rental troops camper with the full camper top, so would be interested in your view on the different types of camper tops
Cheers
THANK YOU FOR DETAIL VIDEO
Is it impossible to fit the same lift top as on your VDJ78 troopie onto a VDJ76 wagon with no back seat ? What prevents you from being able to do this ? You would keep the body work above the rear doors, as you did with the front doors of the troopie. Possibly you might have to strengthen it a bit for structural integrity. That way you get the height you desire with all the accessibility of the wagon, you just loose a foot of space in the back.
Great stuff as always Andrew!
Ques - Although for your traveling style the Troopy in it's current 2 door configuration is perfect especially once heavily modified.
If Toyota offered a 5 door configuration do you think it would end the debate completely, at least for most parties?
Do you think that's why they have yet to release one?
if they sold a 5 door Troopy and put in more Airbag's/Safety Equip (into all the 70 Series vehicles), I'd buy one in a second!!! :)
Grande Andrew
You could have a door fitted to the troopy behind the front pasanger ,there are companys that do it , So youd have the side access/door access like a 76 plus all the room of the troopy.
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I've TLCP j78 96' 3.0td still in activity use
I would rather not have either, a 79 dual cab with alloy canopy on the back far better for 4wdriving with both of those vehicals all you hear is rattles and rattles and more rattles, with the canopy it is all in the back and no rattles
My Troopy has zero rattles. I cannot stand rattling!
Hello,i am at this moment faced with this dillema wich type will suit me the best.the ease of the alu cab hercules is an enormes advantage for easy camping with the troopy.The advantage of acces with 5 doors on the 76 i can not ignore.
Thanks for your oppinion.
Ceep on the great videos.
really a great show thanks, but here in Canada we cannot get either of them, so how about a Benzy sprinter 4x4 with similar mods, diesel included any thoughts ?
Great video! Does the troopys longer wheel base and higher center of gravity make a substantial difference to its off-road ability?
I am aware you don't take your vehicle in extreme bog holes and up large rock steps etc unless you absolutely need to, but this is something I would like to do with a 76.
Cheers
Quick question. How does the vehicle perform with the roof cut out and replaced with canvas? Does it not then allow for lots of body flex, expecially when having to negotiate uneven terrain.
It would have too much flex and would tear itself apart. Its a semi-monocoque construction in the body.
Its stronger than factory
1+2+1 door Troopy.
Hi Andrew, can you buy one of those in Australia, or was/is it offered only in certain markets? We just rented one like that in Kenya and it was very convenient having rear door on the passenger side. That would solve what you called the single biggest problem with Troopy.
BTW you were the inspiration for our very first safari, we did self drive through Kenya and Tanzania and loved it. Thank you for the fantastic content that you produce for all of us to enjoy and get inspired by. Many blessings to you.
Hello Andrew. Really enjoy your videos. Love your story time ones. :) Have enjoyed this series - I just got a Jeep Wrangler, and you are actually giving me ideas. Wondering if this build has been delivered yet and if so, what did they think of it?
79 or troopy, I just switch of the music and enjoy the engine sound
fantastic video
It's a real shame that troopy's aren't available in Canada. I would buy one in a heartbeat.