this is what i like in an extra feature, the eclutch adds a feature without forcing you to have to use it. so many new features replace how things have worked for years, like the DCT. i see this being useful for those who have weaker hands, well done honda!
It's not always because of weaker hands lol my bro went DCT because of not being arsed to gear changing to and from work and the sheer ease on touring what with cruise control etc
@@TheCaretaker555 of course, i'm probably more concious of it because of my uncle who i ride with (he's 70). He has arthritis in his left hand from an injury. he's stubbon enough to push through the pain but would clearly benefit from something like this because he doesn't want a DCT lol
It's funny that reviewers always comment about the vibration. I get it though. When you review a bike you are looking for anything you can comment on. I own a 2022 CB650R and honestly, I have never been howling down a windy road and thought "this bike is vibrating a bit" lol. I am way too excited and involved in the ride. It's a fantastic bike to thrash. It loves it. More! More! MORE! it wants you to rev it to the red line over and over. It's very satisfying. If you just dawdle around town though you might be better off with a twin with more low down torque but if you plan on taking it to the twisty roads, it's an absolute hoot to ride.
As a 2011 CBR600F owner I can confirm that engine vibrations in the mid-range disappear with the mileage. It took mine nearly 20K kilometers before the engine got completely loose. Break-in takes time, definitely with modern synthetic oils. Problem is these review bikes are all brand new.
I'd say the E-clutch is probably the best piece of tech that has come out of Honda and I'm so excited to put my booking in at the end of the month! Great video!
I already did a review on this and I'm back again I finished the video and I can truly say that you are one of the best I've come across....you have a lot of talent for this and I just had to come back and say this after finishing the video..... five stars...and for me to give that you truly have earned it....thank you so much for your time that you have put into this...also when and it will happen that a manufacturer gets hold of your content you are going to blow up bigger than most.... good luck five 🌟
Mister Fitz-Gibbons is fast becoming my favourite reviewer. Affable. Good knowledge. Clear explanations and details things other reviewers don't come close to covering. Top notch. Not sold on the clutch, though. I'm extremely distrustful of anything using solenoids. Solenoid goes. New solenoid? Nope. New eclutch. The whole thing.
Thank you Bennetts for this superb review of the new Honda CBR650R and CB650R. By far the best informed for teaching about the eClutch. I am upgrading to the CBR650R this week and have been looking for good videos explaining the eClutch in every detail, and now I found it. Confirmed Bennetts customer here!
I’ve had a DCT gearbox car for the last four and half years, it’s phenomenal. It’s never gone wrong, it works on inclines etc and has three modes from yawn, to sprightly, to oh my god. I would love BMW to bring out DCT on my GS, purely because the quick shifter isn’t the sharpest tool in the box. As for e-clutch, you still have to clonk the gear lever with your toe. After 47 years I’m happy to move on
@@mggarcia19I learnt over 45 years ago that wheelies never impressed women, much as they weren’t impressed by handbrake turns in a Capri. On the positive side the unintentional wheelie I pulled on my FS-1E in 1975 (throttle stuck open) just missed the side of the bus as I dropped it on its side at the T junction. You can keep your wheelies for the chavs on the pit bikes - other motorcyclists are available and this does not constitute the view of the management
Unlike some riders keep emphasizing how skillful people should be to ride properly, I really appreciate manufactures like Honda introducing more technologies to make riding more friendly and expand rider population. Operating clutch lever is not necessarily the fun of riding.
@@jeremyclarkson-69 Not sure which market/country you’re in. Our dealership sells both E-clutch and normal version. And e-clutch can be switched off anyway.
Nice review mate, well done. Call me old fashioned but rev matching going down the box is a wonderful part of finessing the bike....I for one love as much interaction as possible on a 'proper' bike I have an auto forza300 which I thoroughly enjoy but my others, well...i love as much involvement as possible.
I hope they can get as low as 150cc model The centrifugal semi-auto can only withstand 12 kilowatt (~15 hp) which eliminates anything above 125cc bike.
Oh I’d have loved to have that the other day as my hand was cramping up in stop/go traffic. Well done Honda for continuing to innovate, I’d much rather have this over a QS or DCT.
Love the video! Thank you for the clear and informative presentation. I think this system would be perfect for Honda's 500cc range. Great invention, good job Honda.
I think this is a great Honda 'engineered' product and at launch a solution for a bike which fits a segment where as an inline 4 it is pretty unique. Opening up an up and down auto style change to engines/gearboxes without that option today, plus removing the need to even touch the clutch lever will give a group of riders (commuters, new bikers and those who find an all day ride with a clutch to operate physically difficult) the opportunity to enjoy biking. Be super to see it grow through the Honda range as an alternative to their quick shifter, I'd like to try it on Hornet 750 and possibly Hornet 1000 ?
My previous bike was a nearly new 21 CBR650R (first big bike). I quickly bought the Honda Quick Shifter and fitted it myself, a fairly easy job, If buying a new one now I would definitely go for the e-clutch version. Having moved onto a bike with a good quickshifter/blipper for up/down shifts (Ducati Panigale V2,) I would have appreciated that on the Honda and at £100 with little impact on running costs or normal functionality, I can’t see Honda supplying many without the e-clutch! My guess is also that the £100 is barely covering the costs on this! Well done Honda!
Brilliant overview of the bikes and the system. The one topic that never seems to be mentioned is clutch less shifting. It’s a skill I picked up years ago and once mastered, is just as good os a quick shifter. When quick shifters came along, I was initially excited but, now, I’m not sure I would choose one over full manual. E clutch looks like amazing tech but, adds to the potential of crippling service and maintained e costs after warranty has expired.
Clutchless shifting is faster than conventional shifts, for sure. But quickshifters are faster than clutchless shifts because you keep the throttle open - I timed & tested this with an R1 and a dyno on Bike magazine in 2010. And Honda says E-Clutch shifts 20% faster than a quickshifter. As for "crippling service and maintenance costs", Honda's engineers told me the only difference is a little extra calibration work when it comes time to replace the whole clutch. Other than that, nowt.
Thank you so much for your detailed review of both bikes you make it very interesting when it comes to explaining what the new e- clutch do , the cosyt weights and the whole shebang .Honda once again created a new stuff for riders to enjoy and definitely gives the riders choices when riding👍👍, more power to your show Sir and ride safe always, looking forward to your next upload😅
Fantastic insightful review Mufga I have my test ride booked for May 2 already, I tested the regular clutch model CBR650R a month or so ago along with a GSX8R and got on really well with the Honda so I’ve been waiting for the e clutch to arrive, big thumbs up to Bridge motorcycles help and test rides. 👏👏👍
I have a bike with loads of electronics and a bike that has the bare necessity, abs, traction control. I enjoy both. One lets me enjoy more on the ride, the other lets me enjoy the drive.
This has to be best innovation we have in a while in two wheeler segment. I would really love to buy one of this even though I never owned or ride any sports bike. Not above 160cc atleast. Must appreciate Honda for making things easy for riders like me who can still buy big bike without worrying about all of this technical stuff and just up and down the gear without any tension 😅.
I can hardly wait to get this bike with the e-clutch if/when Honda brings it to the US market! I know how to shift with a clutch and will probably use it from time to time but I love having the option of getting a perfect shift, up or down, by simply using the shift lever.
Thanks for the detailed review on the eclutch. I have a bike with DCT, and one with a quickshifter. The eclutch, for me, brings together the best features of each system. Question: if you were to take off from a dead stop with the bike in a high gear, would the bike still slowly accelerate away while dragging the clutch?
Does anyone know if it's possible to convert the taillight from the 2024 variant to the 2023 variant? Would be really cool if it worked because I think the front of the 2023 looks better than the 2024 front :) Would be a good combination with the 2023 front and 2024 rear lights.
Can E-clutch adapt to final gearing changes? Smaller front sprocket or larger rear sprocket etc? I think that E-clutch uses input from the transmission output shaft rotation speed. If I want to take the bike on a track day and adapt the final gearing (which tbh is ridiculously tall) would I lose all benefits of the E-clutch?
Looked at the cb650 today, as in the market for a new bike. Love the look of it, just not sure I fit it correctly at 6ft and not a small bloke worried I might look abit big. How tall are you?
Just my opinion (other opinions are available) but auto clutches, auto gearboxes, cruise control etc just take away all the enjoyable engagement of actually riding bikes… the more the bike does for you the more you are just a passenger which seems deadly dull to me.. as I say, just my opinion.
And you're not alone, I feel the same. I have nothing against security features like abs, but those "comfort" features take away the fun imo. I LOVE the engagement of riding my Bike, to feel that I have a big Control on how this Machine behaves just gives me something I don't want to give away.
I agree with you except for the cruise control, i wouldnt use it all the time but if i know ill be on the motorway for a while, id like to just stick cc on 70 and focus on the road.
This is yet another option from Honda which I'm happy to see as I have limited dexterity in my left hand which makes clutch manipulation difficult and cumbersome. My question is, as a taller rider, how are the ergonomics?
Apart from down shifts (until RBW) , I can see E Clutch being better than Quickshifter as you sometimes don't get smooth up changing with Quickshifter. With E Clutch do you have to close the throttle on changing up, or does the ignition cut like Quickshifter?.
@@ChrisSauer-oe5ve Like a two-way quickshifter, it's meant for you to shift down with a completely closed throttle. E-Clutch will, however, change down even if you have the throttle open somewhat.
Cheers N🥳Martin love the e clutch, I had a saab 900 turbo sensonic in the 90s, same idea, full manual box, but auto clutch ( no clutch pedal unlike the Honda). Unfortunately not popular, but i liked it.
It's a shame that Honda still didn't put an electronic throttle on this bike and give us a proper up-down quick shifter. I know some people will love this Eclutch if they do a lot of stop-start riding in traffic or if they have arthritis or even if they are a complete noob but personally I don't want this on my bike. It is the opposite of why I ride a motorcycle. I want to be in control, I want to be involved and I don't want this on my bike even if I have the option to not use it. It waters down the whole point of motorcycling for me. Also the cancer on the side of the motor is ugly so that's another reason why I wouldn't get it. When I saw the 2024 reveal of the CB650R I quickly ran out to get a brand new 2022 model that was sitting in a dealership and I am loving it. I got a great deal on it too. I think the old one looks better and has everything that it needs to be an excellent motorcycle, bar the up-down quick shifter.
Fantastic, i've been gagging to see something like this prior to jumping in to buy 1. Currently i'm on a 2019 CB650 Neo with a Recluse clutch, as i only have my Left arm.....
With cable throttle, cable clutch, and a simple shift sensor, I see no reason this can't be sold as a retrofit with a piggyback controller for existing bikes like the 500 series. I think a large part of the 500 class would love to opt for this, myself included.
Interesting review. The E-clutch is a novel & clever thing but I don't see why I would want one. Especially when it adds weight, cost (minimal I know, but still) & just feels like an answer to a question nobody asked. I can see the application & how it could be appealing to some, but equally I just don't see the point personally. I would have preferred Honda to have focused on improving the suspension, brakes & making them lighter.
@@ragerider6283 once more bikes get it o am super interested A transalp or big cruiser bike , something to make town a bit easier, or touring.once you have been on the saddle for like 300miles, its easy to make mistakes after a long day
@@DNAtraveling Yes I take your point & can see where it could be useful, but currently not for me or the type of riding I do. Although, I don't have any issue with other people wanting it. I probably will one day too. I said the same about a QS & now I have one. I could happily live without it but it definitely has it's benefits.
I'm confused by the elaborate description. You say you can override what the bike "wants to do". So it does automatically change gears without using the foot gear shift? If not, it's in practice exactly the same as an up and down quick shifter bar the stopping and starting without manual engangement of the clutch. I realise it works differently mechanically than a quick shifter but is that basically it?
Thanks for the question. The system effectively negates the requirement of a clutch but it won't change gear for you. It's the same manual transmission that requires the rider's input but you simply don't need the clutch at all for any aspect of riding. However, it is still available should you need/want it. Tight turns in a car park, riding on loose surfaces, or simply being there as a backup should a rider's old habits require! Hope that helps. Cheers, Michael M
I'd like this on my rebel. I already have DCT because it's my absolute chill bike. That said, i wouldn't mind being able to choose my gear(with my foot) and see how that would be.
How many times will someone come up at a meet and blip the throttle on one of these, and it takes off because it was still in 1st gear? It almost happened to me on my Rekluse KTM, fortunately I was in neutral at the time, but the dude could not have known.
How quickly does it get off the line? Are perfect fast starts now guaranteed no matter your ability? Literally the first question that came to mind when this system was announced.
Sure. On those bikes (early Yam rbw systems were the same, I think) the cables from the twistgrip don't go to the throttles, but push & pull a sensor. On these 650s the cables go directly to the throttle bodies.
I own A CBR650R with the quick shifter thats a great addition. I will say this about the Eclutch - first impressions is its a big ugly lump of metal sticking out of the side of the crankcase is what struck me initially.
@@MaxHendrick-tk3xt I had a look in Honda Chester I really thought it spoiled the looks of the engine I have the previous model and that looks so much better. I was going to buy the new version but t just put me off I didn't like the new decals either compared to the fireblade which is painted these look like an after thought. just my opinion.
Love the channel. So the E-Clutch does the same thing as a Rekluse clutch... with extra steps? I rode the MV with the Rekluse, and it was very good. Does the "E Clutch" have any advantage over the Rekluse?
I've not ridden or tested a Rekluse clutch, but my understanding is that's a purely mechanical system working on centrifugal force alone. That would mean clutch engagement is linked just to engine rpm. And that would mean, for example, the clutch can't disengage when you're changing gears. E-Clutch, being electronic rather than mechanical, is able to have far greater and more flexible control over the clutch.
So apart from it pulling the clutch in and out from a stop. What is the difference of this and a up down quick shifter? What is better for in a performance stand point. ?
According to the Honda engineers who designed the system, E-Clutch shifts are faster and smoother than a quickshifter alone. They say upshifts are 20% quicker. That's the performance benefit.
@@chriswest2290 Hi, I am the reviewer, nice to meet you. E-Clutch downshifts on the 650s feel a little clunkier than the best autoblipper systems I've tested on other bikes. The 650s don't have a blipper. That's a limit of the 650s' throttle cables, not E-Clutch. Would E-Clutch + blipper be faster than blipper alone? Don't know - it'd be interesting to test.
I really like this reviewer, nicely explained. I still don't understand why you would want an e-clutch? Doesn’t sound as smooth going down the box as a standard auto blipper. Isn't part of the joy of motorcycling the skill of clutch control? I wonder what class this bike would fall into if riding it on a motorcycle test?
I believe it's classed as a manual motorcycle - my understanding is you'll need a manual licence to ride it. As for whether you could cheat the system by passing your test on an E-Clutch bike, demonstrate no clutch control skill in the process and still get a full manual licence as a result... maybe, I guess that could be possible. That's one for the DVSA to look into, I guess.
If I had arthritis or carpal tunnel, this could be a welcome solution. However the fun is doing all this myself. I also like driving trucks with manual road ranger gearboxes which is rear now so I’m “so” old school.😅
But that's the point, you can do it yourself, if you ride it like normal it will be normal, But if you're in town, or just crunching miles it seems perfect to help fatigue
Its basically typical underbone(Asia's staple bikes) shifting such as xrm125 and the like, manual gearbox minus clutch lever in this case they left the clutch lever available still for some reason
I would say it is similar to how the C50, C70, and C90's crunchboxes worked. You still changed gear but when you came to a stop a similar effect happened. Did you ever try finding neutral on one those? You have to very old like me to remember them! I just think the riding aspect is quickly being taken away from proper riding so, the clutch hand can hold a mobile phone, that you can view whilst riding with those transparent gloves you see riders wearing these days. Flip flops, shorts, t-shirts and an unfastened lid with no visor; Proper organ donor mode! Skin will be of no use for grafting onto a recipient.
Can you take the e-clutch off and shoot it in the garbage? Also if not, do you have to reprogram it off every time you start the bike or does it remember where you left it>
Is the bike classed as a manual or semi-automatic? I have a NC750X DCT and I have a disability in my left hand, which means that I am unable to use a clutch. I passed my bike test on a DCT so I can only ride automatic bikes.
I am disappointed with the new visual of the 2024 model, the old "side pods" and tail were so much better! Also, not a fan of that black plastic on the tank which used to be paint. The new headlight also seems a bit droopy compared to the on-plane 2023 version. Seems like Honda is trying too hard to be "modern" for the sake of changing things. The 750 hornet also got this treatment and looks quite bad in my opinion.
Interesting review Mufga, I like how open-minded you are to new technology. I've got a DCT NT1100 and I'll see if I can get a test ride on one of these when my bike goes in for a service this year.
As far as coming to a stop and pulling away goes - I guess, perhaps. But centrifugal clutches don't disengage during gearchanges, so this is a much more sophisticated system with masses more control and smoothness.
In town at very low speed, you would still need to work the clutch right? At first gear opening and closing the throttle it's gonna be abrupt and jerky like a horse.
You don't *need* to work the clutch lever - E-Clutch is capable of operating the clutch for you even at very low speeds without stalling. But if you prefer, you can use the manual lever and have full control. E-Clutch gives you the choice.
@@anvu518 I believe E-Clutch won't let the bike stall in this scenario - it'll slip the clutch as needed. I can't imagine it'll do your clutch any good, just as if you rode in 4th at 10kmh slipping the clutch yourself.
@@Mufga81 Interesting. I was just pondering a case of emergency brake where you were cruising in 3rd gear and had to slam on the brake without having time to downshift, the bike would not stall and potentially upset rider balance
@@anvu518 No, absolutely no chance. You could be in sixth gear, do an emergency stop and, so long as you don't touch the clutch lever, E-Clutch will prevent stalling.
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this is what i like in an extra feature, the eclutch adds a feature without forcing you to have to use it. so many new features replace how things have worked for years, like the DCT. i see this being useful for those who have weaker hands, well done honda!
Perhaps you should catch the bus if your hands are that weak.
It's not always because of weaker hands lol my bro went DCT because of not being arsed to gear changing to and from work and the sheer ease on touring what with cruise control etc
@@TheCaretaker555 of course, i'm probably more concious of it because of my uncle who i ride with (he's 70). He has arthritis in his left hand from an injury. he's stubbon enough to push through the pain but would clearly benefit from something like this because he doesn't want a DCT lol
@@demonnick666 moped : 👀
@@demonnick666 People like you is the reason motorcycling is dying hobby.
And I'm riding a bike for a living.
Finally, a detailed review of the E-clutch in English! Been waiting for this one. Thx!
same :)
It's funny that reviewers always comment about the vibration. I get it though. When you review a bike you are looking for anything you can comment on. I own a 2022 CB650R and honestly, I have never been howling down a windy road and thought "this bike is vibrating a bit" lol. I am way too excited and involved in the ride. It's a fantastic bike to thrash. It loves it. More! More! MORE! it wants you to rev it to the red line over and over. It's very satisfying. If you just dawdle around town though you might be better off with a twin with more low down torque but if you plan on taking it to the twisty roads, it's an absolute hoot to ride.
As a 2011 CBR600F owner I can confirm that engine vibrations in the mid-range disappear with the mileage. It took mine nearly 20K kilometers before the engine got completely loose. Break-in takes time, definitely with modern synthetic oils. Problem is these review bikes are all brand new.
Best and most honest review I've seen so far and I'm looking at CB650R for almost 6 months now. I'm sold on it, thank you mate !
I'd say the E-clutch is probably the best piece of tech that has come out of Honda and I'm so excited to put my booking in at the end of the month! Great video!
I already did a review on this and I'm back again I finished the video and I can truly say that you are one of the best I've come across....you have a lot of talent for this and I just had to come back and say this after finishing the video..... five stars...and for me to give that you truly have earned it....thank you so much for your time that you have put into this...also when and it will happen that a manufacturer gets hold of your content you are going to blow up bigger than most.... good luck five 🌟
Mister Fitz-Gibbons is fast becoming my favourite reviewer. Affable. Good knowledge. Clear explanations and details things other reviewers don't come close to covering. Top notch. Not sold on the clutch, though. I'm extremely distrustful of anything using solenoids. Solenoid goes. New solenoid? Nope. New eclutch. The whole thing.
100%, except Simon would be a tie. The two of them are a great pair!
@@naustin09 Yeah, very true
The attention to the details especially on a fairly technical launch like this is where Martin excels!!
Thanks 🙏
This is a fantastic invention, well done Honda 👏
Thank you Bennetts for this superb review of the new Honda CBR650R and CB650R. By far the best informed for teaching about the eClutch. I am upgrading to the CBR650R this week and have been looking for good videos explaining the eClutch in every detail, and now I found it. Confirmed Bennetts customer here!
I’ve had a DCT gearbox car for the last four and half years, it’s phenomenal. It’s never gone wrong, it works on inclines etc and has three modes from yawn, to sprightly, to oh my god.
I would love BMW to bring out DCT on my GS, purely because the quick shifter isn’t the sharpest tool in the box.
As for e-clutch, you still have to clonk the gear lever with your toe. After 47 years I’m happy to move on
BMW cars no longer have DCT, they have changed to a conventional but finessed auto.
How to wheelie on DCT?
@@mggarcia19I learnt over 45 years ago that wheelies never impressed women, much as they weren’t impressed by handbrake turns in a Capri.
On the positive side the unintentional wheelie I pulled on my FS-1E in 1975 (throttle stuck open) just missed the side of the bus as I dropped it on its side at the T junction.
You can keep your wheelies for the chavs on the pit bikes - other motorcyclists are available and this does not constitute the view of the management
@@FairladyS130but the 3 Series still only comes with indicators as an optional extra and usually never used by the owners……
Honda has a patent on DCT for motorcycles. That’s why no other company can do automatic motorcycles 🤷♂️
It’s Martin on video and not just a disembodied podcast voice. Woot woot!
Thanks for explaining I finally understand what it does! Seems like a cool feature.
Unlike some riders keep emphasizing how skillful people should be to ride properly, I really appreciate manufactures like Honda introducing more technologies to make riding more friendly and expand rider population. Operating clutch lever is not necessarily the fun of riding.
Ikr?, I'm new to riding, and I ride a burgman 125, and I hate the way "real riders" talk smack to my scooter, and how it's not a "real bike".
@@vincewilliamshortelano9404 I'm pretty sure that burgman will leave most of them in the dust on a back road. Any idiot can whack the throttle open.
It is actually the fun of riding for some people im not against e-clutches but they sure as hell shouldn't make it a standard,only a option.
@@jeremyclarkson-69 Not sure which market/country you’re in. Our dealership sells both E-clutch and normal version. And e-clutch can be switched off anyway.
@@AnthonioChen I commented this before watching the full video and feel asleep before deleting this comment.
Nice review mate, well done. Call me old fashioned but rev matching going down the box is a wonderful part of finessing the bike....I for one love as much interaction as possible on a 'proper' bike I have an auto forza300 which I thoroughly enjoy but my others, well...i love as much involvement as possible.
I suspect the £100 is an introductory offer, I imagine this system is perfect for city commuters hopefully they add it to their 500cc range.
in europe it's 500e
I bet you everything that this will be available in every honda model
I hope they can get as low as 150cc model
The centrifugal semi-auto can only withstand 12 kilowatt (~15 hp) which eliminates anything above 125cc bike.
Oh I’d have loved to have that the other day as my hand was cramping up in stop/go traffic. Well done Honda for continuing to innovate, I’d much rather have this over a QS or DCT.
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Love the video! Thank you for the clear and informative presentation. I think this system would be perfect for Honda's 500cc range. Great invention, good job Honda.
Love the video presentation nice chap very informative and without to much jargon.
I just bought mine. E clutch work perfectely it’s amazing!
Having spent 25 years converting clutches to right hand operation, I'm really interested trying this....thanks Mufga!
Thank you for the very descriptive review. Very helpful. The best review Ive watched. Martin you're awesome.
I think this is a great Honda 'engineered' product and at launch a solution for a bike which fits a segment where as an inline 4 it is pretty unique. Opening up an up and down auto style change to engines/gearboxes without that option today, plus removing the need to even touch the clutch lever will give a group of riders (commuters, new bikers and those who find an all day ride with a clutch to operate physically difficult) the opportunity to enjoy biking. Be super to see it grow through the Honda range as an alternative to their quick shifter, I'd like to try it on Hornet 750 and possibly Hornet 1000 ?
My previous bike was a nearly new 21 CBR650R (first big bike). I quickly bought the Honda Quick Shifter and fitted it myself, a fairly easy job, If buying a new one now I would definitely go for the e-clutch version. Having moved onto a bike with a good quickshifter/blipper for up/down shifts (Ducati Panigale V2,) I would have appreciated that on the Honda and at £100 with little impact on running costs or normal functionality, I can’t see Honda supplying many without the e-clutch!
My guess is also that the £100 is barely covering the costs on this!
Well done Honda!
Brilliant overview of the bikes and the system. The one topic that never seems to be mentioned is clutch less shifting. It’s a skill I picked up years ago and once mastered, is just as good os a quick shifter. When quick shifters came along, I was initially excited but, now, I’m not sure I would choose one over full manual. E clutch looks like amazing tech but, adds to the potential of crippling service and maintained e costs after warranty has expired.
Clutchless shifting is faster than conventional shifts, for sure. But quickshifters are faster than clutchless shifts because you keep the throttle open - I timed & tested this with an R1 and a dyno on Bike magazine in 2010. And Honda says E-Clutch shifts 20% faster than a quickshifter.
As for "crippling service and maintenance costs", Honda's engineers told me the only difference is a little extra calibration work when it comes time to replace the whole clutch. Other than that, nowt.
Excellent test especially addressing the service and wear of e-clutch. You’ve got a new subscriber 😊
Finally you can deliver Noodles with a CBR650R with one hand as you would do with a Super Cub. The day that every one was waiting for.
Thank you so much for your detailed review of both bikes you make it very interesting when it comes to explaining what the new e- clutch do , the cosyt weights and the whole shebang .Honda once again created a new stuff for riders to enjoy and definitely gives the riders choices when riding👍👍, more power to your show Sir and ride safe always, looking forward to your next upload😅
Fantastic insightful review Mufga I have my test ride booked for May 2 already, I tested the regular clutch model CBR650R a month or so ago along with a GSX8R and got on really well with the Honda so I’ve been waiting for the e clutch to arrive, big thumbs up to Bridge motorcycles help and test rides. 👏👏👍
I have a bike with loads of electronics and a bike that has the bare necessity, abs, traction control.
I enjoy both. One lets me enjoy more on the ride, the other lets me enjoy the drive.
That would be quite nice at the lights when you cant find neutral so normally have to sit there the whole time pulling the clutch lever in.
Why isn't this available on US Market bikes!!?? The E clutch on a CBR1000RR-R just might be amazing.
Well well well. I was salivating over the new 600RR and here comes the 650R with E clutch. Decisions decisions hmmm.
This has to be best innovation we have in a while in two wheeler segment. I would really love to buy one of this even though I never owned or ride any sports bike. Not above 160cc atleast.
Must appreciate Honda for making things easy for riders like me who can still buy big bike without worrying about all of this technical stuff and just up and down the gear without any tension 😅.
Really good review. Fascinating new technology.
Great video 👍
I can hardly wait to get this bike with the e-clutch if/when Honda brings it to the US market! I know how to shift with a clutch and will probably use it from time to time but I love having the option of getting a perfect shift, up or down, by simply using the shift lever.
Great review: And Great information 👍👍
Excellent review thank you
Thanks for the detailed review on the eclutch. I have a bike with DCT, and one with a quickshifter. The eclutch, for me, brings together the best features of each system. Question: if you were to take off from a dead stop with the bike in a high gear, would the bike still slowly accelerate away while dragging the clutch?
Yes. It'll pull away from a dead start in sixth gear. It won't do your clutch any good, but it'll do it.
cb650r is my perfect bike now.. wish they kept the perfectly round headlight though, perfect shape
Does anyone know if it's possible to convert the taillight from the 2024 variant to the 2023 variant?
Would be really cool if it worked because I think the front of the 2023 looks better than the 2024 front :)
Would be a good combination with the 2023 front and 2024 rear lights.
Nice review! Puts the CB650 R on my shopping list 😀
I'm a big fan of a lighter clutch pull, and one less cable to lubricate. I can see this being a real game changer in traffic as well.
Can E-clutch adapt to final gearing changes? Smaller front sprocket or larger rear sprocket etc? I think that E-clutch uses input from the transmission output shaft rotation speed. If I want to take the bike on a track day and adapt the final gearing (which tbh is ridiculously tall) would I lose all benefits of the E-clutch?
Thanks Mufga 👍🏼
Can wait to get the new cbr with eclutch sounds awesome for town heavy traffic
Can you blip on the downshift to smooth the shift? Would that confuse the e-clutch?
still curious on how the e-clutch will adapt as the clutch plates worn off and the biting point recess.
Looked at the cb650 today, as in the market for a new bike. Love the look of it, just not sure I fit it correctly at 6ft and not a small bloke worried I might look abit big. How tall are you?
I'm 5ft 9in tall and it fits me fine - hope that helps.
The naked is still a good looking bike, and has an excellent finish.
Just my opinion (other opinions are available) but auto clutches, auto gearboxes, cruise control etc just take away all the enjoyable engagement of actually riding bikes… the more the bike does for you the more you are just a passenger which seems deadly dull to me.. as I say, just my opinion.
And you're not alone, I feel the same. I have nothing against security features like abs, but those "comfort" features take away the fun imo. I LOVE the engagement of riding my Bike, to feel that I have a big Control on how this Machine behaves just gives me something I don't want to give away.
I agree with you except for the cruise control, i wouldnt use it all the time but if i know ill be on the motorway for a while, id like to just stick cc on 70 and focus on the road.
It's not an opinion actually, it's a preference.
Agreed!
It can be turned off and it's very helpful for those who ride as daily commuting.
This is yet another option from Honda which I'm happy to see as I have limited dexterity in my left hand which makes clutch manipulation difficult and cumbersome. My question is, as a taller rider, how are the ergonomics?
Apart from down shifts (until RBW) , I can see E Clutch being better than Quickshifter as you sometimes don't get smooth up changing with Quickshifter.
With E Clutch do you have to close the throttle on changing up, or does the ignition cut like Quickshifter?.
You don't have to close the throttle to upshift. E-Clutch works with a quickshifter, which cuts fuel & spark to allow the next gear to slot in.
@@Mufga81What about on down shift?
@@ChrisSauer-oe5ve Like a two-way quickshifter, it's meant for you to shift down with a completely closed throttle. E-Clutch will, however, change down even if you have the throttle open somewhat.
Cheers N🥳Martin love the e clutch, I had a saab 900 turbo sensonic in the 90s, same idea, full manual box, but auto clutch ( no clutch pedal unlike the Honda). Unfortunately not popular, but i liked it.
It's a shame that Honda still didn't put an electronic throttle on this bike and give us a proper up-down quick shifter. I know some people will love this Eclutch if they do a lot of stop-start riding in traffic or if they have arthritis or even if they are a complete noob but personally I don't want this on my bike. It is the opposite of why I ride a motorcycle. I want to be in control, I want to be involved and I don't want this on my bike even if I have the option to not use it. It waters down the whole point of motorcycling for me. Also the cancer on the side of the motor is ugly so that's another reason why I wouldn't get it. When I saw the 2024 reveal of the CB650R I quickly ran out to get a brand new 2022 model that was sitting in a dealership and I am loving it. I got a great deal on it too. I think the old one looks better and has everything that it needs to be an excellent motorcycle, bar the up-down quick shifter.
Fantastic, i've been gagging to see something like this prior to jumping in to buy 1. Currently i'm on a 2019 CB650 Neo with a Recluse clutch, as i only have my Left arm.....
I wish they did this in cars instead of the at and cvt. You technically still have control when you want to shift instead of the cpu deciding for you.
With cable throttle, cable clutch, and a simple shift sensor, I see no reason this can't be sold as a retrofit with a piggyback controller for existing bikes like the 500 series. I think a large part of the 500 class would love to opt for this, myself included.
I hope they put it on the next CB1000-R I’m bout rdy to trade up from my CB650R. Had it 4 years now.
What's are your thoughts about this against the Daytona 660?
I wouldn't want to pre-empt a group test that Bennetts BikeSocial might be planning for later in the year... ;)
@@Mufga81 Cheers Mr! 😁
Stay tuned - you might just find out soon
Interesting review. The E-clutch is a novel & clever thing but I don't see why I would want one. Especially when it adds weight, cost (minimal I know, but still) & just feels like an answer to a question nobody asked. I can see the application & how it could be appealing to some, but equally I just don't see the point personally. I would have preferred Honda to have focused on improving the suspension, brakes & making them lighter.
See I don't see why you wouldn't
@@DNAtraveling I kind of agree....but I just don't want one at all lol. Can't fully explain it tbh. I guess it fixes a problem I never had.
@@ragerider6283 once more bikes get it o am super interested
A transalp or big cruiser bike , something to make town a bit easier, or touring.once you have been on the saddle for like 300miles, its easy to make mistakes after a long day
@@DNAtraveling Yes I take your point & can see where it could be useful, but currently not for me or the type of riding I do. Although, I don't have any issue with other people wanting it. I probably will one day too. I said the same about a QS & now I have one. I could happily live without it but it definitely has it's benefits.
@@ragerider6283 don't get me wrong
I don't buy new bikes , so I won't play with it for a long time 😅
so is the difference between this and a dct is that you still have to shift with your foot?
I'm confused by the elaborate description.
You say you can override what the bike "wants to do".
So it does automatically change gears without using the foot gear shift?
If not, it's in practice exactly the same as an up and down quick shifter bar the stopping and starting without manual engangement of the clutch.
I realise it works differently mechanically than a quick shifter but is that basically it?
Thanks for the question. The system effectively negates the requirement of a clutch but it won't change gear for you. It's the same manual transmission that requires the rider's input but you simply don't need the clutch at all for any aspect of riding. However, it is still available should you need/want it. Tight turns in a car park, riding on loose surfaces, or simply being there as a backup should a rider's old habits require!
Hope that helps. Cheers, Michael M
So an advanced slipper clutch with an electronic component to assist down shifts.
Man, the naked 650s are gorgeous. Even the exhaust pipes are better looking than cb1000r’s
I love the CB's downpipes too. A nod to the CB400 for those who know.
I'd like this on my rebel. I already have DCT because it's my absolute chill bike. That said, i wouldn't mind being able to choose my gear(with my foot) and see how that would be.
If the eclutch fails, does the override also fail?
How many times will someone come up at a meet and blip the throttle on one of these, and it takes off because it was still in 1st gear? It almost happened to me on my Rekluse KTM, fortunately I was in neutral at the time, but the dude could not have known.
Love the video! I really want this bike but I am 5'3/5'4 height, would it still be worth considering or should I stick to Ninja 400 territory?
How quickly does it get off the line? Are perfect fast starts now guaranteed no matter your ability? Literally the first question that came to mind when this system was announced.
I don't know about "perfect" fast starts, but they'd probably be more consistent with E-Clutch.
At 7.31...im sure you know Martin lots of bikes still have throttle cables but still are fly by wire (my vfr12 for example)
Sure. On those bikes (early Yam rbw systems were the same, I think) the cables from the twistgrip don't go to the throttles, but push & pull a sensor. On these 650s the cables go directly to the throttle bodies.
@@Mufga81 Ah I get that, thank you 👍
I own A CBR650R with the quick shifter thats a great addition. I will say this about the Eclutch - first impressions is its a big ugly lump of metal sticking out of the side of the crankcase is what struck me initially.
Looks better in real life.
@@MaxHendrick-tk3xt I had a look in Honda Chester I really thought it spoiled the looks of the engine I have the previous model and that looks so much better. I was going to buy the new version but t just put me off I didn't like the new decals either compared to the fireblade which is painted these look like an after thought. just my opinion.
To car people, this is semi-automatic. Great bike and video
Hey mate, what mic are you using?
Love the channel. So the E-Clutch does the same thing as a Rekluse clutch... with extra steps? I rode the MV with the Rekluse, and it was very good. Does the "E Clutch" have any advantage over the Rekluse?
I've not ridden or tested a Rekluse clutch, but my understanding is that's a purely mechanical system working on centrifugal force alone. That would mean clutch engagement is linked just to engine rpm. And that would mean, for example, the clutch can't disengage when you're changing gears. E-Clutch, being electronic rather than mechanical, is able to have far greater and more flexible control over the clutch.
Can’t wait for this to make its way to cars, the manuals will return en-masse probably then.
Cheers for that 👍
for people who loves to ride a proper sports bike but in a comfortable way
So apart from it pulling the clutch in and out from a stop. What is the difference of this and a up down quick shifter? What is better for in a performance stand point. ?
According to the Honda engineers who designed the system, E-Clutch shifts are faster and smoother than a quickshifter alone. They say upshifts are 20% quicker. That's the performance benefit.
@Mufga81 the reviewer said its slower on a down shift. Of it was faster it would be used in a race application.
@@chriswest2290 Hi, I am the reviewer, nice to meet you. E-Clutch downshifts on the 650s feel a little clunkier than the best autoblipper systems I've tested on other bikes. The 650s don't have a blipper. That's a limit of the 650s' throttle cables, not E-Clutch. Would E-Clutch + blipper be faster than blipper alone? Don't know - it'd be interesting to test.
@@Mufga81 thanks for the update.
If eclutch is activated, do I have to briefly take off the accelerator when changing gear?
Nope - for upshifts you can hold the throttle open, at any position you like, just like you're using a quickshifter.
interesting. so effectively it works as a quickshifter and auto blipper. i love technology
I really like this reviewer, nicely explained. I still don't understand why you would want an e-clutch? Doesn’t sound as smooth going down the box as a standard auto blipper.
Isn't part of the joy of motorcycling the skill of clutch control?
I wonder what class this bike would fall into if riding it on a motorcycle test?
I believe it's classed as a manual motorcycle - my understanding is you'll need a manual licence to ride it. As for whether you could cheat the system by passing your test on an E-Clutch bike, demonstrate no clutch control skill in the process and still get a full manual licence as a result... maybe, I guess that could be possible. That's one for the DVSA to look into, I guess.
I want this in every bike, not as an upgrade!.
If I had arthritis or carpal tunnel, this could be a welcome solution. However the fun is doing all this myself. I also like driving trucks with manual road ranger gearboxes which is rear now so I’m “so” old school.😅
But that's the point, you can do it yourself, if you ride it like normal it will be normal,
But if you're in town, or just crunching miles it seems perfect to help fatigue
Its basically typical underbone(Asia's staple bikes) shifting such as xrm125 and the like, manual gearbox minus clutch lever in this case they left the clutch lever available still for some reason
I would say it is similar to how the C50, C70, and C90's crunchboxes worked. You still changed gear but when you came to a stop a similar effect happened. Did you ever try finding neutral on one those?
You have to very old like me to remember them!
I just think the riding aspect is quickly being taken away from proper riding so, the clutch hand can hold a mobile phone, that you can view whilst riding with those transparent gloves you see riders wearing these days.
Flip flops, shorts, t-shirts and an unfastened lid with no visor; Proper organ donor mode! Skin will be of no use for grafting onto a recipient.
Will it come to India??
Wooowww!!!
Finally a sports bike for riders without left hand fingers 🤣👍🍻
Can you take the e-clutch off and shoot it in the garbage? Also if not, do you have to reprogram it off every time you start the bike or does it remember where you left it>
Is the bike classed as a manual or semi-automatic? I have a NC750X DCT and I have a disability in my left hand, which means that I am unable to use a clutch. I passed my bike test on a DCT so I can only ride automatic bikes.
I would assume it's manual technically but it's an interesting question
E-clutch seems like a no-brainer option.
I am disappointed with the new visual of the 2024 model, the old "side pods" and tail were so much better! Also, not a fan of that black plastic on the tank which used to be paint. The new headlight also seems a bit droopy compared to the on-plane 2023 version. Seems like Honda is trying too hard to be "modern" for the sake of changing things. The 750 hornet also got this treatment and looks quite bad in my opinion.
The old, round headlight looked indeed better than the new teardrop one
Interesting review Mufga, I like how open-minded you are to new technology. I've got a DCT NT1100 and I'll see if I can get a test ride on one of these when my bike goes in for a service this year.
What is that helmet model name, I can't find the same color one
My lid is an X-Lite X-803 Ultra Carbon. I think the rider(s) in Honda's B-roll footage are wearing Sharks.
So it feels like a centrifugal clutch on the supercub?
As far as coming to a stop and pulling away goes - I guess, perhaps. But centrifugal clutches don't disengage during gearchanges, so this is a much more sophisticated system with masses more control and smoothness.
E clutch, less wear and tear on the gear box compared with a quick shifter
Would have considered it if it were an actual automatic. Shame the smallest automatic is an 1100 here in Aus.
In town at very low speed, you would still need to work the clutch right? At first gear opening and closing the throttle it's gonna be abrupt and jerky like a horse.
You don't *need* to work the clutch lever - E-Clutch is capable of operating the clutch for you even at very low speeds without stalling. But if you prefer, you can use the manual lever and have full control. E-Clutch gives you the choice.
@@Mufga81 What if I were to lug the engine, say ride 3rd-4th gear at 10-15km/h. Will the bike still run just fine? It's still not gonna stall?
@@anvu518 I believe E-Clutch won't let the bike stall in this scenario - it'll slip the clutch as needed. I can't imagine it'll do your clutch any good, just as if you rode in 4th at 10kmh slipping the clutch yourself.
@@Mufga81 Interesting. I was just pondering a case of emergency brake where you were cruising in 3rd gear and had to slam on the brake without having time to downshift, the bike would not stall and potentially upset rider balance
@@anvu518 No, absolutely no chance. You could be in sixth gear, do an emergency stop and, so long as you don't touch the clutch lever, E-Clutch will prevent stalling.
Those elevated crossings are made for you to slow down!