Thanks for the recommendation! We need more and more creators pointing out OGLs from other systems. Make WotC realize what the TRUE community looks like and that 5E will miss out on being supported by a wealth of talent and creativity. This video has made me feel much better about the situation and, who knows, Cypher might have more to offer me as a creator than 5E ever did.
I really respect people who turn their back on WoTC now, who stand up and make a change. When I will be running my next game - it’s not 5e, it’s Low Fantasy Gaming
Amazing brother, my editor is about to release a video recommending Cypher System as well! 😄 * Glad to hear someone else talking about the ‘solution’ and moving forward! Cypher is excellent for getting out the way, and adjusting. Monte Cooks Invisible Sun is an example of how far you can tweak Cypher. * Once you get the system of IS, you can clearly see the Cypher underpinnings. I’m currently running a campaign for my group in the Eberron campaign setting, using the Invisible Sun rules, because my group loves how magic is handled. (No mean feat for a new person, as Invisible Sun came in kit that was similar in size to gloom haven. We’ll definitely more content and heavier! lol!) Take care my friend… hopefully the likes of Matt Coville and Mercer use the Cypher System. I get there are other systems, but we have to remember… …our player base already knows 5e and needs to not be hindered by the daunting idea of learning a new system. (One reason I’m a strong advocate for Cypher - you can practically get off the ground same day!) 😊
Another positive of Cypher is that monte cooke has expressly gone on the record he will rewrite his OGL to codify the intent of the open system so you'd never be in this position with his OGL. That's a company showing respect.
@@epicbrowndragon someone posted it on twitter. They shared a screen shot of his posts in a different community. Iet me see if I can find it. Monte Cook, "I was there was the original OGL was created. I know first hand how hard those drafting it tried to sincerely make it so that it would last forever and would never screw over anyone that used it. So when we decided to create a Cypher System open license with the same goals, of course we used the OGL as a model. And now after two days of potential WotC shenanigans, people are looking at our open license as though it's dodgy. Sigh." I can't post link. Dicecamp is the site
This could be a blessing in disguise, there are so many fantastic rpg’s out there to explore that are more focused on story telling and less on die rolling and number crunching. Great video and totally agree with you.
I think the issue is going to be finding popular consensus on a system or a few systems. The nice thing for creators in developing content for D&D is that they know there's a big built-in audience for their work. Putting their energy into a system that ultimately doesn't reach a lot of people probably isn't going to be as satisfying (or pay the bills). Personally, I think we're really waiting and looking at people like Matt Mercer and Brennan Lee Mulligan to propose a wagon that a large portion of the community can jump on. You don't even necessarily have to particularly like or watch those shows - that's not really the point, but who else is going to set a unifying direction for the largest group of fans / enthusiasts / consumers?
If creators think like players… …the solution becomes a bit clear. They all learned 5e, it’s daunting to learn a new system that some may like or not. Cypher in for the win as it gets out the way of play, and can easily be customized. Invisible Sun is proof of that. 😊 Have fun gaming!
Non-WotC Open licensed fantasy RPGs you can publish for: Zweihander (Grim & Perilous Library) Fantasy AGE (AGE Creators Alliance) Forbidden Lands (Free League Workshop) Mörk Borg (Free League Workshop) Mythras (Mythras Gateway License) Swords of the Serpentine (Pelgrane Press Community Use Policy) The Savage Worlds Adventurer's Guild The Disciples of the Demon Lord Powered by the Apocalypse Forged in the Dark Castles & Crusades (Troll Lord Games Guidelines) Runequest (Jonstown Compendium) 7th Sea Explorer’s Society Basic Roleplay and Questworld SRDs Don't support WotC by making content for them. #letthedragonstarve
Thank you! So, I looked in the back of my Castles and Crusades Players Handbook and it has the OGL 1.0a there. So it still might get dragged into this mess, unfortunately. I hope Troll Lord Games can/has taken steps to distance themselves further from the OGL.
I've played Cypher and I absolutely love it. It's not "rules light," exactly, but the rules are so intuitive that the crunch is straightforward. It does have a different feel from D&D. You can do just about anything with it. I didn't know they had an OGL - that is fantastic news! I think folks should also consider Forged in the Dark Games (modified from the "Blades in the Dark" engine), and Powered by the Apocalypse games (inspired by the "Apocalypse World" engine). Drama System games are also worth looking at. But I suspect that Cypher would probably be the easiest port for D&D stuff...
Kevin Crawford talks about using the mechanical chassis of Moldvay Cook being the Lingua Franca or lowest common denominator that people (players) just get. I actually agree that Monte Cooks Games are awesome but I think the community ought to fight for the right to use that kind of game mechanic. Wizards doesn't own it. You can't copyright a game mechanic. We should just ditch any semblance of their IP and move forward together as a community. And circle the wagons to support each other. We should do what Kevin Crawford has been doing. No OGL just creative Commons RPG content.
Loved your video man, I've sooo many dice the thought of getting rid of my d20s was painful... I think I'll go check out the Cypher System. Thanks for then recommendation 👍
Individual game mechanics cannot be copyrighted. However the whole package of how they work together can still be contested. If a creator isn’t willing or able to defend their work in court it might be best to avoid the D20 SRD for a while until the courts figure this current situation out.
@@rpgsandmore7550 and many are. Also, quite a few YT channels (large 100k+ ones) have declared a reduction to total end to D&D coverage. No more free, glowing advertisement for WotC. No more 3rd party content for D&D 5E, which leaves WotC with nothing but their low quality in-house staff writers. No reason for anyone to buy 5E content any longer, WotC has made it obsolete. If Hasbro thought the movie, Honor Among Thieves, was going to tank just wait and see how much worse it’s going to be now. I’m hoping it’s recording breaking bad opening weekend.
3 years trying to find a good ttrpg that's seperate from WOTC and a year ago I found one. MK Games from Martin Knight called D100 Dungeon is the system I love! Very happy to have found D100 Dungeon.
Here’s a link to an article on Monte Cook Games’ website that goes into their Open License in more detail. www.montecookgames.com/thinking-about-the-cypher-system-open-license/ I just found out that Monte Cook Games is running a sale on their website. I’m not affiliated with them, and get nothing out of it. But, here’s a link for anyone who might be interested. www.montecookgames.com/store/product/cypher-system-rulebook-2/
Luckily I am fine, the stuff I am working on was never intended for D20 anyway but includes it's own custom system I designed. I sure hope we enter a new golden age of the hobby with lots of diversity in systems!
Same here. I'm working on an AD&D-style system with ad many kinks and flaws ironed out as I can. Fixing bad terminology for weapons, armor, and creatures as well
Thanks that’s a great idea what are things that I think are important is to produce a substitution table so we plug-in old material and convert it quickly with a single mechanism switch from one system to another a little bit like a virtual system like Java for instance.
Let's see the final version of the new OGL before we do anything, it could be different that the leaked one. The leaked OGL could be work in progress. Maybe it isn't but the backlash from the community could make them change it.
WoTC would need to revamp their fan license to put streaming at risk. That might be coming, but until it does I'm thinking streaming live games will continue to be open. Of course, you could switch games in protest, and that is perfectly valid.
How kill a franchise... Hasbro/WotC don't seem to realise that OGL 1.0 kept the creativity & interest.. ALL non-online players, will jump ship, to other systems (imho)
I am moving forward by not playing games based on the D&D mechanic or the OGL. I'll be playing GURPS, Cyberpunk 2020, champions, and Call of Cthulhu 5th ed. D&D is a codependent relationship.
I agree that it is about the story so why bother having any system and just make system agnostic content with a fate like outline of difficulty like trivial, easy, hard, very hard since these plain terms that is easily convertible to any system. As for monsters that is what bestiaries/monster manuals etc are for and by their nature are system locked anyway. Having statblocks in the adventure itself is mostly useless anyway since a party can be of varying sizes and levels. I usually end up plugging in different monsters or npcs anway.
There is a space D&D has always filled, Some systems are too rules light, Pathfinder is far too crunchy me. D&D is the crunchy system I like. I want to take the rug out from WOTC and see a D&D system that uses no IP from WOTC, but just different enough to not be sued or stolen by WoTC
Here’s a game, in Numenera, that Monte Cook himself GMs. There isn’t much of a session 0, however. I’ll keep looking through the old memories. th-cam.com/video/z1JHv_6ei_k/w-d-xo.html
Here’s a quality live play from Geek and Sundry. This was recorded back when Critical Role was still a Geek and Sundry show, but the game system hasn’t changed much since then. th-cam.com/video/P29D7rkjvk0/w-d-xo.html
www.montecookgames.com/store/product/cypher-system-rulebook-2/ I just checked MCG’s website. They are currently running a sale. Again, I’m not affiliated with them in any way, but here’s a link to check it out.
Screw Hasbro-WotC! I am DONE will never purchase anything WotC or Hasbro Again (unless they default back to 1.0a). I do not trust them. It is time for a new OPEN Gaming License & System.
This is not a tempest in tea pot. This is a firestorm in a dwarven forge. You do owe Hasbro - you owe them a lot. You just refuse to recognize it. Selfishness is being displayed on the Corporate Side and the DND Community side. You owe much, you simply fail to recognize your debt to Hasbro.
The best path forward is to have the courage to stand on your own and make your own TTRPG. Going from OGL to OGL is terrible advice. Everything Monte Cook is doing goes into the same issues the moment Monte Cook sells MCG or just needs another dollar.
I disagree with championing the Cypher System. Its Might, Speed, and Intellect pool system is just too generic for most players to get into. Just create your own RPG system. It's not that hard to do.
You cat was personally trying to warn you that you are wrong. Cypher is to DND as Mastodon is to Twitter. Enjoy making your content for a fraction of the audience and for virtually no engagement. Just as the Mastodon followers are now back on Twitter, you will be back on DND. Monte Cook is literally the loser in his Virtual Battle with DND - Mike Mearls sailed past everything Monte Cook did. Plenty of game on Cypher and no one (at the macro level) plays them. This is terrible (Mastodon mistake repeated) advice.
wizards is doing nothing wrong. stop complaining. you are gonna get mega dollars into a brand you love with movies, video games etc. they dont want free loaders on their IP anymore!
You might like to also checkout Prototopic, Roll of Law / Runkle of the Bailey & Hoeglaw they are also gaming channelsSome are lawyers, all gamers checking out other RPGs.
Agreed. I’ll thank WOTC for getting me into Basic Fantasy RPG.
Picked my pdf up today. 99cents on dtrpg
It's OGL so they will be a changing some stuff.
Excellent points! Even as players/GM, we should expand our horizons!
Thanks for the recommendation! We need more and more creators pointing out OGLs from other systems. Make WotC realize what the TRUE community looks like and that 5E will miss out on being supported by a wealth of talent and creativity. This video has made me feel much better about the situation and, who knows, Cypher might have more to offer me as a creator than 5E ever did.
Very positive message. Thank you
I really respect people who turn their back on WoTC now, who stand up and make a change. When I will be running my next game - it’s not 5e, it’s Low Fantasy Gaming
Amazing brother, my editor is about to release a video recommending Cypher System as well! 😄
* Glad to hear someone else talking about the ‘solution’ and moving forward!
Cypher is excellent for getting out the way, and adjusting.
Monte Cooks Invisible Sun is an example of how far you can tweak Cypher.
* Once you get the system of IS, you can clearly see the Cypher underpinnings.
I’m currently running a campaign for my group in the Eberron campaign setting,
using the Invisible Sun rules, because my group loves how magic is handled.
(No mean feat for a new person, as Invisible Sun came in kit that was similar in size to gloom haven.
We’ll definitely more content and heavier! lol!)
Take care my friend… hopefully the likes of Matt Coville and Mercer use the Cypher System.
I get there are other systems, but we have to remember…
…our player base already knows 5e and needs to not be hindered by the daunting idea of learning a new system.
(One reason I’m a strong advocate for Cypher - you can practically get off the ground same day!) 😊
I think this is going to be a renaissance in our hobby. Thanks WOTC and Hasbro!
Yeaaah! Cypher is my favorite system
Another positive of Cypher is that monte cooke has expressly gone on the record he will rewrite his OGL to codify the intent of the open system so you'd never be in this position with his OGL. That's a company showing respect.
I hadn’t heard about that. Awesome! Thank you.
Where did you hear this?
That’s cool…
Wish they would keep their TH-cam channel updated so people could know about them.
@@epicbrowndragon someone posted it on twitter. They shared a screen shot of his posts in a different community. Iet me see if I can find it.
Monte Cook, "I was there was the original OGL was created. I know first hand how hard those drafting it tried to sincerely make it so that it would last forever and would never screw over anyone that used it. So when we decided to create a Cypher System open license with the same goals, of course we used the OGL as a model. And now after two days of potential WotC shenanigans, people are looking at our open license as though it's dodgy. Sigh."
I can't post link. Dicecamp is the site
@@nodansland303 thanks… I honestly get my news from his main site and TH-cam…when they post.
They asked for it, they got it!
This could be a blessing in disguise, there are so many fantastic rpg’s out there to explore that are more focused on story telling and less on die rolling and number crunching. Great video and totally agree with you.
Thank you very much!
I think the issue is going to be finding popular consensus on a system or a few systems. The nice thing for creators in developing content for D&D is that they know there's a big built-in audience for their work. Putting their energy into a system that ultimately doesn't reach a lot of people probably isn't going to be as satisfying (or pay the bills). Personally, I think we're really waiting and looking at people like Matt Mercer and Brennan Lee Mulligan to propose a wagon that a large portion of the community can jump on. You don't even necessarily have to particularly like or watch those shows - that's not really the point, but who else is going to set a unifying direction for the largest group of fans / enthusiasts / consumers?
If creators think like players…
…the solution becomes a bit clear.
They all learned 5e, it’s daunting to learn a new system that some may like or not.
Cypher in for the win as it gets out the way of play, and can easily be customized.
Invisible Sun is proof of that. 😊
Have fun gaming!
Cypher System 2e - ORDERED!
Non-WotC Open licensed fantasy RPGs you can publish for:
Zweihander (Grim & Perilous Library)
Fantasy AGE (AGE Creators Alliance)
Forbidden Lands (Free League Workshop)
Mörk Borg (Free League Workshop)
Mythras (Mythras Gateway License)
Swords of the Serpentine (Pelgrane Press Community Use Policy)
The Savage Worlds Adventurer's Guild
The Disciples of the Demon Lord
Powered by the Apocalypse
Forged in the Dark
Castles & Crusades (Troll Lord Games Guidelines)
Runequest (Jonstown Compendium)
7th Sea Explorer’s Society
Basic Roleplay and Questworld SRDs
Don't support WotC by making content for them. #letthedragonstarve
Thank you!
So, I looked in the back of my Castles and Crusades Players Handbook and it has the OGL 1.0a there. So it still might get dragged into this mess, unfortunately. I hope Troll Lord Games can/has taken steps to distance themselves further from the OGL.
NB (just for me to be able to find this list again) Thanks
Well done
I've played Cypher and I absolutely love it. It's not "rules light," exactly, but the rules are so intuitive that the crunch is straightforward. It does have a different feel from D&D. You can do just about anything with it. I didn't know they had an OGL - that is fantastic news!
I think folks should also consider Forged in the Dark Games (modified from the "Blades in the Dark" engine), and Powered by the Apocalypse games (inspired by the "Apocalypse World" engine). Drama System games are also worth looking at. But I suspect that Cypher would probably be the easiest port for D&D stuff...
I agree with stepping away and finding something else. Great video.
Already have. It’s called Pathfinder.
Kevin Crawford talks about using the mechanical chassis of Moldvay Cook being the Lingua Franca or lowest common denominator that people (players) just get. I actually agree that Monte Cooks Games are awesome but I think the community ought to fight for the right to use that kind of game mechanic. Wizards doesn't own it. You can't copyright a game mechanic. We should just ditch any semblance of their IP and move forward together as a community. And circle the wagons to support each other. We should do what Kevin Crawford has been doing. No OGL just creative Commons RPG content.
Loved your video man, I've sooo many dice the thought of getting rid of my d20s was painful... I think I'll go check out the Cypher System. Thanks for then recommendation 👍
You’re welcome! I hope you enjoy it!
They (WotC) does not control the D20 system. A system, particularly the dice used, fall under “game mechanics” which can not be copyrighted.
Individual game mechanics cannot be copyrighted. However the whole package of how they work together can still be contested. If a creator isn’t willing or able to defend their work in court it might be best to avoid the D20 SRD for a while until the courts figure this current situation out.
@@rpgsandmore7550 and many are. Also, quite a few YT channels (large 100k+ ones) have declared a reduction to total end to D&D coverage. No more free, glowing advertisement for WotC. No more 3rd party content for D&D 5E, which leaves WotC with nothing but their low quality in-house staff writers. No reason for anyone to buy 5E content any longer, WotC has made it obsolete.
If Hasbro thought the movie, Honor Among Thieves, was going to tank just wait and see how much worse it’s going to be now. I’m hoping it’s recording breaking bad opening weekend.
When one door closes, at least one other door opens. The important thing is you don't try to pry the closed door open; it's wasted effort.
A positive voice among the cacaphony of distress. Seriously the hobby will survive without wotc/hasbro's branding.
3 years trying to find a good ttrpg that's seperate from WOTC and a year ago I found one. MK Games from Martin Knight called D100 Dungeon is the system I love! Very happy to have found
D100 Dungeon.
Here’s a link to an article on Monte Cook Games’ website that goes into their Open License in more detail.
www.montecookgames.com/thinking-about-the-cypher-system-open-license/
I just found out that Monte Cook Games is running a sale on their website. I’m not affiliated with them, and get nothing out of it. But, here’s a link for anyone who might be interested.
www.montecookgames.com/store/product/cypher-system-rulebook-2/
Luckily I am fine, the stuff I am working on was never intended for D20 anyway but includes it's own custom system I designed. I sure hope we enter a new golden age of the hobby with lots of diversity in systems!
I’m glad to hear it!
Same here. I'm working on an AD&D-style system with ad many kinks and flaws ironed out as I can. Fixing bad terminology for weapons, armor, and creatures as well
Thanks that’s a great idea what are things that I think are important is to produce a substitution table so we plug-in old material and convert it quickly with a single mechanism switch from one system to another a little bit like a virtual system like Java for instance.
Consider contacting the FTC and asking for a review, for anti-trust comes to mind.
Let's see the final version of the new OGL before we do anything, it could be different that the leaked one. The leaked OGL could be work in progress. Maybe it isn't but the backlash from the community could make them change it.
WoTC would need to revamp their fan license to put streaming at risk. That might be coming, but until it does I'm thinking streaming live games will continue to be open. Of course, you could switch games in protest, and that is perfectly valid.
Eldritch, gonzo, science-fantasy, post-apocalyptic campaign setting (no OGL)... Cha'alt!
How kill a franchise... Hasbro/WotC don't seem to realise that OGL 1.0 kept the creativity & interest.. ALL non-online players, will jump ship, to other systems (imho)
I am moving forward by not playing games based on the D&D mechanic or the OGL. I'll be playing GURPS, Cyberpunk 2020, champions, and Call of Cthulhu 5th ed.
D&D is a codependent relationship.
I agree that it is about the story so why bother having any system and just make system agnostic content with a fate like outline of difficulty like trivial, easy, hard, very hard since these plain terms that is easily convertible to any system. As for monsters that is what bestiaries/monster manuals etc are for and by their nature are system locked anyway. Having statblocks in the adventure itself is mostly useless anyway since a party can be of varying sizes and levels. I usually end up plugging in different monsters or npcs anway.
There is a space D&D has always filled, Some systems are too rules light, Pathfinder is far too crunchy me. D&D is the crunchy system I like. I want to take the rug out from WOTC and see a D&D system that uses no IP from WOTC, but just different enough to not be sued or stolen by WoTC
Thank you for a dose of optimism in a bleak ttrpg time period. 🙂
Inspiring video! Do you have actual play recommendations that also has a session 0?
Here’s a game, in Numenera, that Monte Cook himself GMs. There isn’t much of a session 0, however. I’ll keep looking through the old memories.
th-cam.com/video/z1JHv_6ei_k/w-d-xo.html
Here’s a quality live play from Geek and Sundry. This was recorded back when Critical Role was still a Geek and Sundry show, but the game system hasn’t changed much since then.
th-cam.com/video/P29D7rkjvk0/w-d-xo.html
Hey I know this guy!
No way! Ha! Good to see you, Dude!
Great video, insta-subscribe, and interested to see what else you have to say.
I looked on Amazon and the cypher system seems expensive, is there a cheaper place to get it in $180? Am I looking at the wrong book something?
I checked, that listing is for the first edition of Cypher. Don’t buy that. It’s very overpriced by the seller.
www.montecookgames.com/store/product/cypher-system-rulebook-2/ I just checked MCG’s website. They are currently running a sale. Again, I’m not affiliated with them in any way, but here’s a link to check it out.
But does it allow you to create NFTs?
I always felt the real NFTs were the friends we made along the way.
Screw Hasbro-WotC! I am DONE will never purchase anything WotC or Hasbro Again (unless they default back to 1.0a). I do not trust them. It is time for a new OPEN Gaming License & System.
This is not a tempest in tea pot. This is a firestorm in a dwarven forge. You do owe Hasbro - you owe them a lot. You just refuse to recognize it. Selfishness is being displayed on the Corporate Side and the DND Community side. You owe much, you simply fail to recognize your debt to Hasbro.
Exact same problem, completely different system.
Why not build a brand new system? If you can't see the same thing coming you're blind.
The best path forward is to have the courage to stand on your own and make your own TTRPG. Going from OGL to OGL is terrible advice. Everything Monte Cook is doing goes into the same issues the moment Monte Cook sells MCG or just needs another dollar.
I disagree with championing the Cypher System. Its Might, Speed, and Intellect pool system is just too generic for most players to get into. Just create your own RPG system. It's not that hard to do.
You cat was personally trying to warn you that you are wrong. Cypher is to DND as Mastodon is to Twitter. Enjoy making your content for a fraction of the audience and for virtually no engagement. Just as the Mastodon followers are now back on Twitter, you will be back on DND. Monte Cook is literally the loser in his Virtual Battle with DND - Mike Mearls sailed past everything Monte Cook did. Plenty of game on Cypher and no one (at the macro level) plays them. This is terrible (Mastodon mistake repeated) advice.
wizards is doing nothing wrong. stop complaining. you are gonna get mega dollars into a brand you love with movies, video games etc. they dont want free loaders on their IP anymore!
You might like to also checkout Prototopic, Roll of Law / Runkle of the Bailey & Hoeglaw they are also gaming channelsSome are lawyers, all gamers checking out other RPGs.
Mini discourse was a lawyer as well and she has about 3 Videos on the subject
@@nodansland303 I’ve been watching her videos and found them quite informative and entertaining. Cheers!
Roll of Law is someone I’ve been watching. I’ll check out the others. Thank you.