After 2 Years of Game Dev - What do I Have to Show for it?
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Jeremy looks back on two years of work, and the slow and steady path of his relationship with game development.
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Hosted, Filmed & Edited by Jeremy Jayne
0:00 - Intro
1:34 - Progress?
3:30 - The Problems with Sharing
7:52 - Ambition
11:22 - Stuff I've Learned
14:30 - Conclusions - เกม
I just want to say that as someone who has been doing gamedev and just general boring programming for years I'm really impressed with how quickly (and from what I can see successfully) Jeremy has dove into the shader/graphics programming part of gamedev. It's really impressive to have done some of the stuff shown in this video with under 2 years of experience.
It is genuinely impressive how much skill you've developed in 2 years of self-teaching and online tutorials in your spare time. You're already capable of more than 99% of people ever are in their lives.
You know Jeremy, you say you struggled with the idea of trying to make this video into something that befits the previous "Jayne Devs", but to me personally this is what it was about all along. Earnestly documenting the process of throwing yourself head-first into a creative endeavor with lots of interesting challenges to overcome, lots of new things to learn, and lots of odd experimentation. It's really awesome, and honestly pretty inspiring, to see you sharing all the things you've prototyped. I hope you keep growing more confident and we can continue having these infrequent glances behind the curtain.
It's crazy, I've been watching the Noclip Crewcast for a while now and always found myself relating to your takes on creativity and especially the creative process.
I had no idea you were so dedicated to music prior to this which explains a lot, I'm 25 now and I've been producing since around 15. Today I run my own indie label and produce under multiple aliases for a living, (not a great or even good living but I'm proud of where I am)
Along with that eventual feeling of obligation to create, I find the hardest part is indeed the over-analyzing of how others will receive and respond to your work. Trying to take yourself out of that mindset while creating is beyond challenging and I struggle with it a lot,
Thanks for putting some tangible words to that feeling, it really helps, thought my brain was broke lol keep up the awesome work (sorry for the essay)
The Hunter S Thompson of game dev journalism
Yeah easy now lmao
Not yet... But he could get there!
Exactly
former gamedev here. Not only do I agree with most of your points, one thing that happened when I shared things is a strange feeling that "well no need to keep going" happened and it was strangely satisfying. I then would abandon it and try something else, sometimes after months of work.
These videos are incredible, not only the progress you've made, but the insight, candor, and heartfelt emotion in each one. The greedy part of me wants to see all the games, music, and development (all of it, and right now) but obviously that would put a ton of unwarranted pressure on you, so honestly, just keep doing what you're doing and put things out whenever you feel like it. Thank you for another inspiring video and keep up the amazing work.
I was super happy to see the new update on my feed, followed by an incredibly relatable account of experiences with the process of creation in a new medium in this video. I really like your angle on the process of sharing, and embracing smaller projects as means of iteration - not to build something incredible from the get go, but to develop skillset and familiarity.
The progress showcased is nothing short of incredible and I've been honestly flabbergasted by the sheer variety of gameplay on display - but most importantly I'm simply glad to hear something that's just introspective, personal, and also relevant not for game developers, but a broader scope of creatives.
Those videos are fantastic. And as an artist and illustrator (kinda stuck atm) myself, listening to other artists talk about the creative process and indulge in the neurotic introspections is really interesting and helpful. Bless you sir, and cheers to the nights we spend existing.
The passion from noclip is the sauce. Be it the crewcast, the docs, whatever. People talking about the things they are doing that they are passionate about and working on. Such a great video Jeremy
I've been doing game dev for over 20 years now, and I really love the aesthetic of all the clips you've shown. There's a real craftsmanship to what you've created, and even though I can't play it I can see what you're going for. If you feel nervous about sharing with a general audience, share with other game devs first. WE UNDERSTAND what it's like and we'll give you honest feedback without the same harsh tone that other groups might use.
And hey, don't worry about making mistakes. No one that was ever good at something started off good at that thing. Even when people get good at the thing they'll often tell you they're not. It's all psychological.
For what it's worth, Jeremy, from a complete stranger on the internet; the journey is why this series has captured me from the beginning. Would it be cool to see what you make, when it's ready? Absolutely. But it's not why I'm here. Hearing you work through your creative journey, talking about growth, and meaning, that's why I'm here. Maybe it's because, as another creative, I really resonate with both the broad strokes and a lot of the fine details. And I think (I kinda hope) there might be others who feel the same. Thank you for what you do, I can't wait to hear what happens next, no matter how long that takes.
Came for the amazing animal models, stayed for the thoughtful musings on creative practices and the joys and pitfalls of sharing them with the world. Another wonderful installment in one of the best series on TH-cam!
Babe, wake up. New Jayne Dev finally dropped
(Edit after finishing the vid) - Man, thank you for the taking the time to make these. Your general ethos & perspective on creating art really resonates with me and I’m truly very thankful you’re making these alongside creating such fucking cool art. Genuinely cannot wait to play whatever you’re cooking up
p.s… absolutely obsessed with little lizard eyepatch guy
Man, I love your perspective on this so much, and really admire your journey to both share and stay true to that creative spirit. The Problems with Sharing part really hit for me, as someone trying to make music, I've struggled a lot with the dissonance I feel towards that sort of connection with The Audience. It's really jarring and has been getting in my way a lot, trying to create lately. I've had a lot of issues sharing or pitching my music, and thus developing as a songwriter or producer, because of what I think I "should be" or what is "worth sharing".
My best stuff was made under the same circumstances you described, just going for it and making what I was in love with at the time - game music. Making one little world at a time, and seeing how much I could develop one song or idea, just for me. Thanks for a reminder that this is what it's truly about, and I'm really looking forward to seeing more of various things you showed here!
Most of the joy I get from sharing my projects is just seeing how far I've come. I'm still struggling with finishing bigger projects myself, but I know from the progress I've made that it's just a matter of time and something I can do. Congrats on all the progress you've made!
Your 3d models are really stylish, I'm jealous. Looking forward to seeing your games once they are ready to be shared.
I love this series so much and I frequently wish there was more of them. This whole episode felt like a direct response lol like "Hey, this is why these updates aren't super frequent, but it's for good reasons, don't worry."
I can't wait to play whatever it is you decide to share.
Ive had a very similar experience putting music out online -- getting positive feedback was extremely encouraging but also completely destroyed any ability i had to make things that i thought were "good". Trying to move past that has been a struggle.
Very inspiring vid! I think ill go make something now :)
Jeremy is my favorite Noclip host, he unbelievably talented, it's almost ridiculous. But I am sure he got where he is now by being a very hard worker
I've loved following your progress, and watching you learn to create game art from scratch forced me to stop making excuses and just start making stuff on my own too. Happy to say I've created a few assets in Blender, and have reached a point that I feel like I really could make my own games, with my own assets. I find joy in seeing my amateurish pieces booted up in my engine, much more so than trying to retrofit other peoples' art into my game.
Thanks and keep going!
I'm a hobby game dev since 2007 and only just recently i founded my own game studio with a friend of mine to actually tackle our first serious commercial game. We are working on it since a year and we make slow but steady progress and also just succesfully applied and got funding money from the government. It feels very challenging and at the same time like you said it - like its what I meant to do. I can really relate to your personal insights and your game dev journey. It inspires me to soon also start my own devlogs and at some point share our project with the world. Thank you very much for this honest video! :)
I love Noclip docs, but this has to be one of my favorites so far. As a professional creative person who feels an endless need to create stuff in my spare time but always run up against the huge chasm between what I envision and what I’m able to create in the time I have and feel motivated. I have tens maybe hundreds of projects I’ve abandoned. I long for the feeling of being able to just create and not care about the end result. This video is really inspiring and motivating. I identify with so many of your feelings and dilemmas. Keep at it and keep sharing. ❤
Making games is such a cathartic and invigorating experience. That feeling when you've been tunneling in on a singular mechanic and seeing it work the way you want after hours of work is just bliss.
I haven't watched your other Jayne dev videos but what you showed here looks really interesting to me as a player, and sharing creative works can be daunting. For us introvert makers it's a constant push-pull of making stuff for yourself and overcoming self doubts about what you just made and whether it's worthy of sharing. All the little side tangents one gets into when chasing creative endeavors isn't time wasted, but experience gained in honing your skills and generally becoming more comfortable in whatever it is you're doing.
Time spent enjoying something isn't time wasted. Keep up the good work, and I'm looking forward to whatever you're working on now!
Lol Jeremy looks high AF in the thumbnail 🤣
Let my mans smoke 😭😭😭 Jeremy can have a little high-as a treat
@@conmcdon Did I say I have problem with it? It's just a funny thumbnail
Absolutely baked
This was a sweet video! c: I get the feel of wanting to keep some projects private until you feel ready to show them, as opposed to sharing everything you've got, and I wish you the best with the stuff you've progressed further on! At the same time, thanks for showing off your other projects too!
Also, I love the music used in the Intro segment! 💙
I feel stupid asking this, but I swear I have listened to that intro music a lot somewhere (probably played the game...), do you know where it comes from? (is so good)
oh Wait, I found it, is Ico save menu music lol, it has been years since I played this one, is so good omg.
Oh my gossshhh, I had no idea it was from a game, thanks for sharing! :D
I was looking forward to this! Excited to see what you've been up to, Jayne!
I would play all of these games. They look genuinely so interesting. Can't wait to hear more about them.
I wasn't around for the earlier dev log videos but I'm so glad I found this one. Fantastic video, I really appreciate your point of view and this was very creatively inspiring!
I can already tell that Jeremy is gonna be part of something special at some point. To already have all this cool stuff is impressive.
I love the animal characters, keep it up!
Jeremy I always appreciate your genuineness and authenticity in everything you do, from creative work to your taste in games to your knowledge on obscure topics. It's refreshing and healing to me to see and hear someone with a genuine passion for the things they care about and who isn't afraid to share those things with the world. I strive to be the same way, to be genuine and honest and to find joy and beauty in unexpected places.
Loved the brief bit of the Dark Cloud OST you used.
This really resonated with me. Especially the part about showing others what you've made. It requires bravery to be vulnerable. A fact that I think anyone can relate to. To sit with that nervous but excited feeling and getting a response makes it so worth it. Never thought about the alienation aspect you mentioned but it is indeed true. How privileged we are to be able to make something from love and curiosity and how privileged we are that we can share in that with you. Creative processes feel lonely sometimes but it never truly is. It's so inspiring. Thank you Jeremy❤
HELL YES FINALLY
So glad to see another video in this series, as a solo dev learning in my free time I relate painfully hard to so much, especially about taking that next step and showing it off
I have no experience with developing a game, I can imagine the scope though from working in Enterprise IT. This video and your thoughts reminded me most about something I do "for fun", not making music, but mixing music. Over 20 years ago I started being interested in being a DJ, before there was all the electronic help around. The thing I learned is that sharing what you do is the most important part. For me as a Dj that is a very momentary thing. You need to read the crowd and see where their feeling takes myself with the choice I make what to play next, so putting my feeling about the moment out there. What I am saying is, whatever you do "creatively", always put it out, have people criticize it in some way. It will help massively with getting better and finding the style you want to stick to. I suppose that is not different in game development, albeit in a way longer timeframe. Also, take critical look at your own projects after them being finished (whatever that means in your case) and learn from the mistakes you made. Most people overlook that part.
Thank you for sharing!
I would love to know what you think of The Beginner’s Guide. As someone who just creates things for the joy of creation intended only for myself or to share with a friend, I found the game really affecting.
i started my journey to take game dev a little more seriously around the time you uploaded episode one, and i very much enjoy these mental check ins. i think its important to remind ourselves to be realistic about what we can actually accomplish, while still shooting high for the long term. especially in this world where everyone is always showing off their coolest projects. keep it up, very excited for whatever you decide to put out into the world
It's the most artist thing ever when you hit that point of going from making something strictly for you to trying to make something for others and second guessing every decision you make from then on. I'm a 3D animator and I enjoyed it far more when I never released anything I made and just did it for the experience of learning 3D modeling and animating. Now I want to try and make it my primary source of income and that changed everything. Now I'm constantly worry about validation from others and if what I'm making is even any good or something people will ever care about.
Thanks for you passion for games and game development. We need people like you 🤗
let's go! I'm so excited for this!
I don't think I've ever resonated this much with a youtube video. I've been on a similar kind of gamedev journey, and I'm experiencing the exact same kind of feelings. Thank you for making this.
I see Jeremy devlog, I click.
Such a beautifully well made and well put video. Thanks for making this and I am infinitely excited to see some stuff you guys conjure up!
What a joy to hear articulated , truths that have very much resonated for me from a painting / drawing creative perspective . Strongly believe that Creativity finds itself in telling oneself new stories and you’re definitely doing that here . Thank you very much, Jeremy ! Wish you all the best in your personal and professional endeavors.
Very cool, its been great to see your journey in learning. I feel like its definitely on par with what others feel when they get into game development. At first you want to create the biggest, coolest games you've ever thought of, and when you start to understand development you dial it back and focus more on the nuance. Not to say that you can't make the massive Dark Souls RPG, but understanding the process and finding your own way is 3/4 of the battle.
Crazy how similar many of us feel.
Like, you're probably thinking, "I sound crazy and probably no one else thinks and feels this way." and we're all like, "wow this is exactly what we were all thinking."
I just made a very customized Pokemon rom hack for my wife for her birthday and I think I'm ready to get back into making games again. Thanks for this!
This made me so happy. Opened Unity immediately after finishing it.
Though I still haven't start making my own game, it's great to see you continue make them. Thanks for sharing. Really inspiring.
This is like How To with Jhon Wilson, but for Gamedev.
As a creative myself (not a game dev, but many other things) this video is EXTREMELY relatable and was a really lovely exploration of creativity ❤
'writing netcode' and 'fun and rewarding' are two phrases I never expected to be joined
You've inspired a lot of us to start our own journeys at the very least. Thanks for sharing dude.
This has been my exact same last 2 yrs as well. Just stopped showing anything and learned game dev with UE. I think Ive come to the same conclusions you have. Especially learning what kind of games you like to make and what youre capable of by yourself. Learning what truly makes a game a game.
This is very cool, and I salute you for your fast progress and your ability to direct your efforts into actually finishing something, even if it's a small project. Honestly, I feel that's often most of the battle.
However, as a developer who has been working freelance and on my own game projects for over a decade now, I feel a bit of a sting here.
Because it feels very #blessed that the concern is "getting your games ready for the flood of light that is the internet". Most Solo/indie devs wish they had that issue; we are actually struggling to get even the slightest bit of attention on our projects. We dream of impostor syndrome XD.
You already have an audience by default.
And I'm not trying to shame your struggles, just pointing out that one of the BIGGEST difficulties in the real world for small developers outside the American bubble is simply discoverability.
I have been waiting for this. Thank you !
You know I really like that idea of making a game just for one person to show them you care. That is definitely something I am going to do.
I had a very similar journey to you with music and eventually finding the answer to my creative woes in game dev. Now I love working on music again and I'm releasing my first game on Steam this summer. I'm looking forward too seeing what you come up with, and best of luck on your future projects!
This feels....healthy. Yeah, healthy.
I'm happy for your journey man.
Inspiring, thoughtful and impressive range for two years of work.
What's the first song in this video, I know it but I can't put my finger on where I've heard it?
Heal - ICO
@@some.person THANK YOU!
ngl, Besaid Island theme hit me in the guts. love to see your progress, that's so impressive
I wished I could like this video more than once.
Thank you Jeremy for making such an open video discussing where you’re at with game development.
This video really resonated with me.
I like the thumbnail way more than my conscious mind can justify!
love this episode, has a Jeremy kind of poetry to it.
Already looking forward to the next episode! Great work Jeremy!
The way Jeremy speaks about game dev is how I feel about playing games (playing far more than 99.9% of even avid gamers) , a far less productive outlet honestly.
Started with my obsession to learn as much about the videogame industry as Jeff Gerstmann knows back when I discovered the pre GB crew when they worked at Gamespot.
Starting out this video with music from Ico has me HOOKED
Been excited for the Jayne Dev update! Absolutely love your style in modeling characters~
Oh, I heard my own voice in the video! Heh.
Doing game dev as more than just a hobby is so hard, but it csn be so rewarding if you actually follow though! Even just finishing s project is a reward in itself.
Honestly I love this video. It has a ridiculous amount of depth in it and yet feels completely casual. It's inspiring too and might just be the push I need to get back into making little prototypes instead of trying and failing to make something for steam again
Words cannot describe the satisfaction my soul experienced upon seeing this video in my subscription feed. I’m about to start this video and I’m already locked in. I’m ready to transcend
Looks like you have some awesome stuff brewing Jeremy!
@9:43 something about this gives me such strong EverQuest vibes and I love it.
This rules so hard and is incredibly insperational! Thank you so much for putting this together!
Creativity, honesty and existentialism. What's not to love?
Great video.
The part about moving from purely creative work to work that has to "sell" is something I struggle with myself.
Keep the creativity. Indie games are very hard to sell and require luck and timing. You'll hate making games if you just focus on sales.
Inspiring!
I started my (more coherent) gamedev journey during the covid times. I released my extremely niche (some would say bad) game last year and I’m currently making a second one.
I feel like going through the finish line with the first game taught me a lot! I’m having much easier and better time with my new project even when it’s different genre and made with different engine.
Great video, I really like the style of your 3d models! Also loved the inclusion of the Besaid and Norune Village themes!
Love the video! Thank you for being vulnerable and putting this out there.
I have to ask: I love the tune that plays at the beginning. What’s it from?
When I was a kid I loved just drawing but the older you get it feels every hour comes with a price tag and everything you do needs to be worthwhile and not just having fun. It kills the joy.
Can't wait to to see the games you've made, especially if one of them features the smoking girl in the beginning or the one with the helmet, they look like really interesting characters. Also the Lufia soundtrack at the end really hits into the nostalgia so thanks for that.
Any game is an artwork. Just as in any discipline, create art for exploring, learning, and amusement for your self first.
Jeremy you're such a special person
This series is super inspiring and got me to finally start game dev. Thanks Jeremy!
I know how you feel when it comes to the relationship you have with the art you're creating and what that means when you start taking it more seriously. I'm speaking on this from a dance perspective but I feel it's applicable in every artistic medium. Can be frustrating when you start taking it seriously but then because of this you start engaging with it differently, and it almost becomes a stranger to you.
All of this stuff so beautiful, and so produnof you mate! Doing music work and stuff I can definitely relate. The things you do for the sheer joy of doing them by far and away the most rewarding. And likewise, your self own seriousness can sometimes be your downfall if you're not careful. It's good to try and hold onto that joy, and never let go. Especially on those more serious projects where it feels like there's prospects riding on it doing well. Just keep finding the fun in it, and I'm sure you'll get there!
That was incredibly wholesome. Looking forward to (playing) whatever you come up with!
bro the way I popped off when I heard Jeremi from Legend of Legaia playing
Amen brother, keep on being creative!
So interesting talk. For me, sharing my "meh" development progress weekly is good way to keep having small goals and it's helps to keep the marathon going for the long terms. Don't really care that people will like my game or not. And it is feels like relase from the work and ready to working on other parts.
I think I've been excitedly anticipating this video more than film bros have been anticipating Megalopolis
Dude I so get how you feel I've been learning for sooo long and making stuff but not really showing it off. I never thought it was good enough, That I was good enough. Finally started a large project and I'm posting videos as I go. For me the least amount of effort is going into the videos but sharing it is a huge step. It's really exciting stuff, but also terribly scary.
Great music choices 👏👏
I can feel the thumbnail of this video.
I've been waiting for a new JayneDev episode ever since the previous one
Thanks for sharing this!
Good video thanks for sharing man and keep goin! 🤘
Hey. I was a game designer in Deep Rock Galactic. Cool rope!
Great reflection on commercializing creative work!