THROUGH THE LENSES - BigScreen BEYOND vs INDEX vs Reverb G2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- Here we are with a new Comparison! Welcome to another Through the Lenses Video! The series where we compare our VR headsets to see which one is the best, and which one is the right for you! This time we are trying something different, because I will release this before my first Review of the Bigscreen Beyond (stay tuned!), the world's smallest VR Headset!
This Episode is pretty special because we are gonna see with our eyes the New Beyond, the next-gen VR headset from Bigscreen comparing it with the Reverb g2 and the Valve Index!
Is it time to upgrade? Is it worth the jump?
Well, let's discover it in this video!
Remember that this is a pre-production unit, so things might change!
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Do you like this direction of TTL first and then the First Review?
Just to correct something in the video from BigScreen: the headset does not run at "2160x2160 per eye at 90Hz"
Beyond runs at 2560x2560 per eye, at both 75Hz and 90Hz. DSC compression is used to fit the bandwidth into DisplayPort 1.4, similar to gaming monitors and other VR headsets.
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Missing some voice audio at 1:46-1:49
4 times cheaper Reverb G2 is still the best choice in 2023
@@ji3200 it has the worst controllers of all time
I would have expected the Pico 4 and the Quest Pro to be there in the comparison, since they also use pancake lenses!
Yeah, Pico 4 would have been a good comparison. Not sure why Index is even a thing anymore.. its like 2MP, ancient.
@@Nobody-Nowhere I guess because it's been pitched as an upgrade to the Index specifically, using the Index controllers and base stations.
@@Nobody-Nowhere Because it is people with Index's that will most likely be the people that would buy this headset.
you can just play a vid where he has the pico 4 amd compare with this one
The reverb G2 shouldn't have been in the comparison. It should have been either the Pico 4 or Quest Pro instead of that one.
How nice of you to add Elite Dangerous into the test suite! Definitely a forgotten game by many, but it is one of my main VR games so it's nice to see here.
So sad that hp was so close to perfection to then just walk away. Still a great hmd and still one of the best for the simming in 2024.
I can’t believe how clear the beyond screen looks!
It has 6.5MP resolution, and G2 has 4.6MP and on many cases, G2 looked better even though it has much lower resolution.
It all depends on the ISO / f-stops used by the camera so yes.. the comparison is really unreliable ..even the pixilation is handled differently by the human eye.
Funny how the reverb looks like it has deeper blacks than the beyond even though it should be the opposite
@@Seanweekhaizhen Why should it be opposite?
@@Seanweekhaizhen if that's the impression you got, that's wrong. Beyond provides perfect black levels.
Micro-OLED is incomparable to LCD. Worlds apart.
I find it amazing how well the index has aged. Looking forward to index 2.
yeah, I'm significantly less impressed by this comparison than I thought I would be.
Nah... It didn't aged well xd
@@nasheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee4495
Superior audio, mic, tracking, refresh rate, all in 2019
Still holds up 5 years later
The only downside is the clarity, which as shown compared to other headsets isn’t that big of a deal
@@ellescer the only thing is i notice the pixels and its annoying
can't wait to see the Quest Pro vs XR Elite vs Beyond comparison
You should compare the BEYOND with other pancake lens headsets.
@@adrenalinejunkie3828 yeah you've got a point, nobody is mentioning the cons
Please compare it to the *Pico 4*
The Pico 4 is a lot better in text and in Assetto Corsa compared to the Reverb G2 and the Valve Index.
I would be so happy if there was a wide FOV version of this headset.
Your wish has been granted because they have a wider fov lense option that is starting to be showcased.
@@victormaniaci2104 it's not an option that's the new standard model
Man I am soooo glad i got the reverb G2.. for ONLY 500 bucks... I have played countless hours with it (and although windows mixed reality kinda sucks) but I looooove this headset! won't be changing anytime soon. EXCELLENT review as always Tyriel!
still happy with it ? and what sucks about the windows mixed reality eindows thingy? i am thinking of getting one.... should i?
@@bananenpflanzer6516still to date an amazing headset. Still rocking it! WMR is just another layer on top of steam VR if you use steam. If u get a htc vive or a valve index you just have the steamer layer. But for the price honestly it’s absolutely worth it! And controls aren’t the best but they are good enough
Nice job on the comparison. Could you please do a comparison of the Bigscreen vs Pimax Crystal vs HP Reverb G2? I'm currently a G2 owner, but I recently put down a deposit for the Crystal. I'm really interested to see how the Bigscreen compares to the Crystal, though. The price of the Bigscreen is $999, while the Crystal is $1599. So, you can see my concern.
Need one (preferably two) lighthouses for the bigscreen. That's another $500 next to the purchase of the headset.
@@bjrnchrstn $500???? I just got 2 base stations for $200, and on Ebay a used 2 station for $120
The colors, crispness, and pixel density in the Beyond is amazing. Looking forward to its release.
I think for the future we need to move away from reporting resolutions only and start reporting PPD. It’s more useful when it comes to VR where the FOV is very different from one headset to the other.
why not both? (just as ppi used with smartphone comparisons)
@@stclaws9580 yeah it should be both, because resolution is still important, specially for pc vr players since the higher it is, the harder to run it, and PPD doesnt tell you much, because FOV can difer and a lower PPD can be actually more taxing than another because its pushing more pixels yet it still has less clarity
no it aint.. PPD is not a good factor to rely on, as its so heavily FOV contaminated, and low FOV will elevate the PPD, and that aint ehat users want.. they want immersion in VR and like they are in the VR-scene (right?) and not like they are looking thrue a binocular.
FOV and PPI values are relevant, as PPI will indicate the pixelsize.
Pico4 is at 123 diagonal FOV (105 vertical and 105 horisontal) and 1193 PPI (pixel pr inch) it got like 2x 2.56" screens at 2160x2160 at each of the 2 screens. 9.33 mio pixels.
BigScreen beyound is very small screens.. not sure its diagonal FOV, but it seems to have merely 90 horisontal FOV and 93 vertical, likely down to its very small screens. that are only 2x 1" big at 2560x2560 and gives an PPI at ludicris 3600 PPI.. but the screens that are merely 1" big and to give a immersion feel.. could be to small for an ideal screen for VR, as you need to magnifye the image a lot with lenses, as 1" screen is tiny as f.. and the less lens work you have to do on an image, the better, if you want an even sharpness and clarity..
but sofar I think it looks decent on Beyound.. there are quite alot of trailing at the edges, fx the "system map" at the left side 6:01 but could be the recording, and likely not magnifiying lens con.
@@stclaws9580 yh I meant both instead of resolution only.
I think it PPD should be reported with the FOV and the relationship explained. Only reporting resolution doesn’t tell us much because the FOV can vary a lot.
That's totally BEYOND anything I've seen so far, amazing !
Would be nice if you could zoom in on areas outside of the sweet spot to try to benchmark the quality of the lenses. Also, you can play around with the shutter speed and FPS in the camera to try to get better video, or just stick to long exposure photos to make the flicker irrelevant.
Interestingly, G2 looks (and is according to the video) sharpest to me, especially after the TEXT test.
im trying so hard to swap the g2 against any new VR but than i see this videos and always think damn no the g2 is sharper and clearer
@manerisports7937 I will go with Q3 that's sharp across the lens due to best pancake lenses on the market. Especially considering that G2 has the narrowest sweet spot available.
@@Pe11ePD yea q3 is nice but i sendet it back this morning, it was good but i was annyoid of that only USB 3.0 connection no direct power frm the GPU. its a good standalone thing tho.
@@manerisports7937 well I'm using usb-c to usb-c link cable with my Q2, 600mbit connection, and battery never drains lol. I can literally use it for like 12hrs, it won't go below 50%. USB-C port powers it really good, practically doesn't allow battery to discharge. Also the image is quite good at 600mbit compression, no sign of video compression artefacts at all, and I'm driving racing titles where stuff goes FAST near you. Q3 can only be better due to better resolution and way better lenses.
I only use VR for flight sims (DCS and MSFS 2020), which is why I came to this since you did some DCS stuff.
I have a G2 and the biggest complaint I have is the off-center clarity. I look with my eyes and seeing anything off-center is fuzzy with the G2. The other complaint I have is I have an OLED monitor, so switching to the G2 is a major downgrade in visual quality (color/contrast, etc). This is one reason I'm considering the Beyond - how does the color/contrast of the Beyond compare to an OLED monitor?
In hindsight, there are a few very important things in this video that hasn't been pointed out that I would like to mention about the big screen
1 this video is older and the headset is a older model. big screen now has different lenses with an increased FOV from this model, So you will be able to see more of the picture
2 you might not notice it but he mentions in the video that he runs the headset at 90 Htz instead of 75 htz.
The issue with that is 90 htz is a different resolution 1920x1920 then is scaled up to 2560x2560. While 75htz is 2560x2560 native. If you want to take a look at the difference in quality you can go on the big screen main site and tap on the micro display options and it shows you comparisons of the 75 versus 90 modes.
So big screen looks even better then what is showed here. Props to the G2 though still. Underrated headset.
Other than that, this is a great video and is one of the best videos out there on the big screen.
i'm going to get the beyond one once it releases. I have the valve index already but it's heavy on the front. I would rather have a light comfortable headset with worse lens that doesn't feel heavy rather than a heavy headset with good lens
Screen and lenses looks very good but this headset is really too expensive without the mandatory steam camera. And for a so small headset it's too bad to have to use fixed lightroom cameras..
Daaaamn!! Didn't expect the Reverb G2 to still look that great!
Try quest pro, coming from the index. My gawd
Could you compare it to Quest pro?
The beyond might be my next headset now....
If you have a lot of money or at least already have Valve Index. Bigscreen Beyond costs $999 and you only get the headset. For motion controllers they require Valve Index base stations and motion controllers, so additional 2x$149 for base stations and $279 for controllers. $1576 total. It's an expensive toy for sure.
@@Kondiqq Yeesh didn't know that haha. But i can see it being the future in a few years
@@troliskimosko It's great, but I'm content with my Reverb G2 V2 for now. I'm very curious what Valve will do with their next VR headset that's in development for a few years already.
I just need more FOV. The most immersive thing I've ever run into was increasing my FOV via the Pimax. The Pimax has lots of downside compared to the likes of the Beyond but that FOV is a deal breaker. Beyond with significantly increased FOV and I'm buying.
Why do you change positions? The first time was: 1.Beyond (left) 2.Index (center) 3.Reverb G2 (right). But the second show was: 1.Beyond (left) 2.Reverb G2 (center) 3.Index (right), and again Reverb G2 at the right side. I think it's better to mantain the same positions always.
if the beyond had inside out tracking or would not require me to buy 320€ of basesstations. The weight reduction would make me buy it. But given the high price I wont upgrade until visuals are also much better than on the g2. Also GPUs need to catch up or DFR needs to be widely adopted, to drive the res.
I am very sensitive to VR so the resolution needs to be high. But also the eyebox. If beyond had a bigger eyebox I would have tried to jump back into VR. Until high resolution clear screens with large eyeboxes are created I will just have to wait. VR is still the future of gaming though.
Bring back the old music please 😂 love that music
holy heck do the reverb colors really pop that much? you would think it was OLED
Imagine what the G3 could have looked like
Would be amazing and a more up to date tech if when it happens a comparison from a Bigscreen & Beyond, Varjo aero, amd Pimax Crystal. Cheers!
Been looking forward to this video! :D Btw Tyriel, just wanted to bring to your attention that your voice cuts out at 1:45 in case you didnt notice :)
Love these videos!
Thank you for the side-to-side comparison, great review :)
These videos always make me happy about having the G2, knowing I still have one of the top visual experiences (and audio) for a reasonable price.
yes, and if only people know the color realism we have for porn
The problem with DisplayPort 1.4 was not really on my radar until now. Even if Valve or anyone else releases a headset with two 4k Micro OLEDs it won't be able to run that resolution at high refresh rates with current GPUs. AMD is too slow and not optimized for VR and Nvidia Lovelace doesn't support DP 2.0.
There is another possibility: a headset that doesn't even have a cable. I remember a discussion, not sure if it was Valve, but there was an argument that these long high bandwidth cables for VR are actually quite expensive and it might be reasonable to ship a headset with completely native wireless as the default mode. The codec from IMRNext that Nofio is using reduces the frame size 60x without noticeable degradation in picture and no latency (less than 1 ms so impossible to detect).
They can also do foveated transport
Perhaps the best comparison video I have seen to date.. thank you for doing this.
Eh, don't see enough difference to warrant upgrading from the G2 V2 atm, especially seeing as it lacks proper audio solution, and is gated behind an iphone. Glad to see more headsets coming to the market, though! But we really do need more games.
We can clearly see the disadvantage of the old index lenses here. As the image is only really clear if you have teh lenses very close to your eye AND in the right spot. BigScreen BEYOND is very impressive, will probably be many peoples first "second" headset. Especially if they have wornout their index XD Just the comfort alone makes it worth the price, and since the image is even a little sharper and clearer, I see no disadvantage here. Potentially it's a great daily driver rather then the occasional dive in to VR that the index is, due to the fatigue it brings.
i really hope the next major headsets seriously consider this form factor. i understand this doesn't have a battery, and isn't wireless, but i don't see why you couldn't cheaply increase this with a wifi card, and a battery. honestly it could be a pocket battery.
How would you compare the Bigscreen Beyond to the Vive Pro 1 (microLED vs AMOLED), contrast and darkness wise?
for the DCS test, is that the Su-25?
edit: I'm blind, it literally says "Su-25T". At least I got it right when I guessed!
Gentleman I've one question. Does Reverb g2 work on Aple Macbook laptops? Your answer will greatly appreciated since it will help me saving money from unnecessary investment. Thank you.
I cannot wait to get my hands on this headset.
better sceen AND super light?
this HMD was pretty much made for me... my biggest gripe is how bulky and heavy normal headsets are.. so this is amazing.
shame about the whole "you HAVE to scan your face with an iPhone or else no deal" bs from them..no thx
Hello, do need the SteamVR Base Stations for the bigscreen to work on DCS world? Thanks
crazy big difference... the F1 test is kinda lacking though.. why is that car orange but on the index and reverb it's red? man i need a more professional channel to test these panels for color correction because thats just odd. i will wait for valves next headset and hopefully they'll use a more up to date microled and not this micro oled panel. i just want to buy 1 more headset and be done with it.. micro oled beyond clearly still has SDE which makes me wonder why they're allowed to call those panels micro.. the ppi looks a little bit better than regular oled, but microled supposedly has 10 times the pixel clarity and are much brighter than oled or any other panel technique. i would not invest $1000 in an indie company with this much hype around something that hasn't even been released yet. recipe for disaster.
How does that compare with the Quest 2? Is that the Index but 5x worse? I can't read shit in the Quest 2, it's my biggest gripe, besides the fact that this thing dangles everywhere everytime you move your head.
Would love a “Beyond vs Quest Pro” comparison
i played elite dangerous mostly without vr, but seeing ship panels in game on the beyond is very impressive.
Are these screenshots at 75 hz or 90 hz? Because 90 hz is apparently upscaled 1920 res.
im still rocking the samsung odyssey plus.. for the money i think the HP reverb is the best
Looks a lot like the pico4 in sharpness and clarity and no obvious stairstepping on the lines th-cam.com/video/3rInrpCbYG8/w-d-xo.html vs 5:48
but the blacklevel seems all over the plce in Beyound, clearly not tuned well for this oled panel.
Beyound with pancake lenses looks gread in everything off-center.
But I need to buy a base station to use it at all? which is $999 + $200 + $200 controllers so in total $1400 💀
my only question with the bsb is, why not have a mech ipd so its not set to one person...they are selling different face pads. makes no sense.
beyond looks so crisp, must amazing in person
Should probably be noted that judging the optics, though a camera lens, should be taken with a grain of salt as it will not look the same to ones eyes as it does though a camera due to glare and what not.
Anyone know the piece of music playing? It's awesome!
I want to preorder the bigscreen beyond, but I need a shipping date before I can commit.
looks like quest pro remains the king of edge to edge clarity for the time being.
It's also king of data collection, as well.
@@DKTronics70 accurate 😂😂
Could you please compare Beyond vs Pimax Crystal?
I am confused, Big Screen Beyond or Pimax...
Have you sold your Varjo? Or will you still compare them?
Why do the black levels on the beyond look worse than lcd in this comparison ?
Too bad you didn't have pimax crystal with you
Keep in mind the G2 is only sharp in the very center, the rest is very blurry so you have to move your head constantly, unlike the Beyond and Index which have bigger sweet spots which creates a more seamless experience. The Assetto corsa part is the best example of this.
This more than anything is why I sold the G2 after a few weeks with it and went back to my Index as its just a better all rounder and still clear enough with good overall FOV. :)
@@davidburns1721 I tolerated it for 2 years and never got used to it, meanwhile my quest2 keep getting improving enough to close the gap, also a much better all rounder.
@@Verociity i just couldn't accept it as the edge to edge clarity was one of the worst id ever seen.
Index has rathered spoiled my VR though as everything else i try while might have one or two better aspects, they fall far behind in so many others.
I'd actually be happy if they made a 1.5 sort of version of it, even if just better lenses and resolution was all they did, id buy it 😃
At around 1:46 we loose your voice for a few seconds!
Can you do TTL between beyond and. Pimax Crystal?
s you telling me that people but the valve index and the quality is wack, i think ill pass on that headset
shows how great the reverb g2 lens are, Pity it is not Steam VR headset
The biggest issue I have with my G2 which I could tell from the very beginning was the vignette blur that completely breaks immersion any time you look in your peripheral vision.
The biggest complaint I have about the beyond is that it is not color accurate but hot damn what a headset
could the colour inaccuracy be corrected in software?
@@Rhodochrone not sure, it may be a limitation with the panel itself.
Beyond Vs Pico 4 Vs Quest Pro
Pancake off!
How does the samsung odyssey + compare to the psvr2
Ewww. Hard pass. Idk I'll stick to my G2
It seems like the index is the most outdated... visually
I’m not sure the beyond is $1000 better than the G2
I would get a Beyond asap if it supported the Oculus sensor and controllers that i have with my CV1 setup . . . .
Hopefully the Beyond V2 in the future (Could be far off . . .) does support or is cheaper and includes tracking cameras and controllers . . .
me too. in a heart beat. near 5K hours on steam and unknown in oculus app, 4 sensors, still going strong ;p CV1 is a work horse
Time to come to present day, the pro controllers are fantastic with their own cameras. No need for wires anymore going to sensors or headsets for that matter!👍
I'd love to see a comparison with the Index 2,
but I think you'd need a DeLorean to do that 😉.
But anyway,
thanks for the video 👍.
not a Mandalorian? :P
pimax crystal vs beyond please :O
spin your glasses, astronomically perfectly
I wanna see Pimax Crystal thru the lens video
Crazy headset.
Thanks Tyriel! Great job 👍. This makes me imagine how great things will be for VR in a few years when this form factor and decently capable PC VR rigs will be available at a more reasonable cost. Sadly, I have pretty much decided to skip PS VR2 as it still has reprojection and persistence motion blur issues. This made me sick on PS VR1 and I never adjusted to it. It was such a headache, literally speaking. If a PS5 PRO comes out and addresses the issue for triple-A games, I'll reconsider. Exciting times for VR nonetheless! 🙌🥳
haha..the index looks like a VHS cassette.
HP reverb G2 still wins ..as of now.
Looks like G2 is still the best one hands down.
In order to understand which helmet is better, the video camera should be installed aimed at the luminous matrix while the helmet is rotated at the maximum possible angular speed. The linear speed, with such rotation, must be equal to the speed with which the player moves his helmet during the game. This is the only way to assess the degree of blurring of the picture. In those helmets in which there will be no smearing, they are the best in terms of picture quality. Judging a helmet by the picture that the helmet gives while lying motionless on the table is idiocy.
Bro he’s not gonna go Oppenheimer mode to give us a general idea of how they look
Hi , I would like to understand one thing, I use the sim only with the Reverb G2 vr, I have a rtx4090 + intel 12900k + 64gb ram.
I have everything set to ultra and I’m not complaining about the performance, but I would like to improve, because yes I’m not complaining but I would like to have something more about fluidity.
all this is accompanied by a 27" full hd monitor.
if I had to play with the monitor I know that I would have bottlenecks, but I wanted to understand if they replace the monitor with a 4k one things would improve for virtual reality or if using virtual reality an upgrade on the monitor would not be needed.
I searched the forum but didn’t find anything can you please help me understand?
so in the end the question is simple: with the machine I have, would buying a 4k monitor help improve virtual reality?
The Index compares a lot better to the BigScreen Beyond than I thought it would in the Elite Dangerous photos at 5 minutes & 50 seconds in the video. I figured with the blacks of space the OLED of the Bigscreen Beyond would be way better, but they actually look comparable, resolution differences aside.
It's obvious that the reliability of the capture is inconsistent throughout the video, but it is still clear that the Beyond is clearer than the G2 and the G2 is clearer than the Index.
Yes; Beyond is much smaller than Index, but that's because it doesn't have any user adjustments whatsoever, doesn't have the cameras (mostly unused anyway), and of course uses uOLED panels paired with thin pancake lenses.
I just really wish it had Valve's amazing off-ear audio and a larger FOV than Index - never smaller.
Good to see the reverb give's a beating to newer headsets :)
The sharpness away from the centre looked quite bad to me. It shows how bad the sweet spot is on the G2.
@@dtz1000 Yeah I've got a G2, I wish the sweet spot wasn't so tiny
@@dtz1000but is the beyond $1000 better?
@@RyanEllerbe Well, with the Beyond you do need to spend another ~$750 or so for the controllers and base stations.
But I'd bet that the difference in comfort is massive in comparison.
why do you still do comparisons with valve index which got a screeen quality which is outdated since quest2/reverb g1 this is non sense
probably cuz the index is still pretty popular and the beyond seems to be made as a replacement for it
Wow this was cool and all until i read it will be $1000
🤣🤣
Didn't we have that Arpara for like $500 a year ago.
Even if it flopped the thing worked and had most of the tech seen here.
They should have used aspheric lenses instead of pancake, pancake look sharp in videos but are blurry and have a double vision effect in actual use. Whereas aspheric is crystal clear edge to edge
Yup, for sure. Though aspheric lenses are more expensive iirc, but they're definitely part of the reason why the Varjo is so damn good.
I was impressed with the Beyond vs the G2 until I saw 8:47 WOW what happened there, compression? That sucks!
I think the benefit of higher Rez shows the most at 4:45 with the live footage. Shimmering and flickering on the index is horrendous. Look at the road barrier lines! Better on g2 until far away. World looks a lot more solid on the beyond
Have ordered a Beyond but this vid shows how well my G2 stands up. Great value for money atm.
I was given 3 new Reverb headsets because all of them had issues. You have to be really lucky to get one that actually works which I assume is one reason HP gave up making VR headsets! I ended up with the Pico which was half the price and way better because it actually works with 70% screen clarity unlike the Reverb with its rediculously small area of clarity. Trust me, you made a wise decision purchasing Beyond.
@@generalgrevous2458 compression 🤮
@@generalgrevous2458 I've 2 G2s and never had an issue. Lucky I guess
@@Davids6994 Compression is not visible 99,9% of the cases with modern software when using new headset line up like XR Elite, Quest Pro and Pico 4. Not mentioning that thanks to new hardware even Quest 2 looks better than before when it comes to compression. Not as good as the new headsets but still reasonably good.
I think you should include the Quest 2 in all TTL videos since it is still, by far, the HMD in most people's homes. No doubt about pancake lenses being the future!
It doesn't compare to these headsets, the resolution is much lower, so no point
@@AxeDragon1989 quest 2 resolution is higher than index you dingwit