The Dispute over Fiume after WW1
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The multicultural city of Fiume sparked a series of national conflicts soon after the disintegration of the Habsburg Empire. Italian nationalists claimed it as a natural part of Italy, while the Yugoslavs wanted it for themselves. Fiume itself remained highly divided on this question, until Gabriele D’Annunzio marched in with his legionnaires and proclaimed the annexation to Italy. When the Italian government refused to accept that offer, D’Annunzio instead proclaimed his own state, the Regency of Carnaro. In this episode, we will learn everything about the history surrounding Fiume in the first postwar years, dissect the nature behind D’Annunzio and his aspirations and discuss what affect his adventure had on Italian fascism as a whole.
Sources:
- Kenedi, Géza & Gerlai, Wilhelm: Nach und durch Ungarn 5. Bändchen, Von der Donau zum Quarnero. Fünfkirchen, Agram und die Zagorje, Fiume und das Küstenland, Zürich 1890.
Literature:
- Cattaruzza, Marina: Italy and its Eastern Border 1866-2016, New York & London 2017.
- Fried, Ilona: »Out to Sea, Hungarians!« History, Myth, Memories. Fiume 1868-1945, in: Spiegelungen. Zeitschrift für deutsche Kultur und Geschichte Südosteuropas (2020), Nr. 1, pp. 99-109.
- Ledeen, Michael A.: The first Duce. D'Annunzio at Fiume, Baltimore 1977.
- MacMillan, Margaret: Die Friedensmacher. Wie der Versailler Vertrag die Welt veränderte, Berlin 2015.
- Marcuzzi, Stefano: London, Treaty of (1915), in: International Encyclopedia of the First World War, encyclopedia.1914-1918-online... (accessed on 26.06.2024).
- Payne, Stanley G.: A history of fascism 1914 - 1945, Madison 1995.
- Reill, Dominique Kirchner: The Fiume crisis. Life in the wake of the Habsburg Empire, Cambridge & London 2020.
- Vogel-Walter, Bettina: D'Annunzio - Abenteurer und charismatischer Führer. Propaganda und religiöser Nationalismus in Italien von 1914 bis 1921, Berlin et al. 2004.
Chapters:
0:00 Fiume in the Habsburg Empire
3:03 Italy and the Treaty of Versailles
07:26 The Fiume Question arises
12:16 Gabriele D’Annunzio marches into the City
16:18 The Regency of Carnaro
20:07 The End
22:04 Impact on Mussolini and Fascism
23:56 Outro
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I bet they were Fiuming 😤 🇮🇹
*Plesbiciting is so cool, I wished I was a Fiuman to be able to plesbicite twice*
W name
Ah yea, rivering
As a croat, i can confirm
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I am absolutely loving Fiume's head Italian ethnonationalist being a guy with a Croatian name. You see this all the time in places like this, like Belgium, and it will never not be awesome.
I have a friend that bets if an explicit White Nationalist ever comes to power in the US, his surname will be “Velazquez” lol
It's fascinating, isn't? I love cases like that.
@@salvadorromero9712 Wait till you get to know that 2 of main men in czech national awakening didn't have czech language as the native and one of em didn't speak it at all
@@okon7464 do you mean dobrovsky and jungmann
@@okon7464 what language did they have as a mother language and what did they speak?
Itally invading a city to force them to stop claiming to be Itallian is kind of like the Social Wars of ancient Rome.
As if this story wasn't crazy enough, among the volunteers who followed d'Annunzio there was also a Japanese warrior poet, Harukichi Shimoi, who got the nickname "the Samurai of Fiume"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harukichi_Shimoi
Thank you for bringing him up.
Also, the man was a very ardent believer in Italian fascism and wanted to export it to his home country. He was genuinely one of the most interesting figures of the time
Yep, the Impresa di Fiume is a very underrated piece of history.
To be clear D’Annunzio is still study in Italian literature classes today, he is a big deal still
as an Austrian visiting Trieste I got a bit angry, when I saw his statue there. But ok, he is part of the regions history ... and they kept the Austrian moments too.
@@ekesandras1481yeah he is a peculiar man. In our italian lessons we studied D'Annunzio a lot but one day our teacher went on and on explaining what a disgusting fascist and casanova he was ahaha
I like that they had a Department of No Fucking Ugly Buildings
Unfortunately today the city is full of ugly buildings. Especially the hills around it and in Sušak.
@@Zz_Mike-Hawk_zZ 😥
maybe you should reflect on your beliefs
I really appreciate your channel for covering more niche and unknown history like this.
I’m italian and i just want to thank you for giving an unbiased perspective on the topic. One tidbit i’d like to add is that after invading Yugoslavia during WWII Italy annexed Fiume and parts of Dalmatia.
Non dirlo…
@@matteomatteo7563 Italy didn't annex Fiume during WW2 and the invasion of Yugoslavia. At the point, Fiume was already an Italian province, legally and internationally recognized. It had been so since 1924, as correctly pointed out in this video.
In 1941, Italy occupied and annexed to the Fiume province the outskirts of the city, which had been incorporated in Yugoslavia in 1920 and 1924, notably Sušak-Trsat (Sussak and Tersatto), Kastav (Castua), and a larger northern and eastern hinterland (Bakar/Buccari, etc.).
The story ending is somewhat lacking. At the end of ww2 partisans liberate Fiume, and some italian residents fail to read the room, more than four years of genocides, terrible crimes etc., and decide it is the right moment to ask about another referendum. They end up summarily executed on the spot by the yugoslavian partisans. Then the ethnic cleansing of german and italian minirities ensues, since they are both blamed for the ww2 and collaboration with the occupying forces. This is perhaps the biggest blemish on the partisan movement during and after the war. I dont know specifics about italians from Fiume/Rijeka but i believe most germans were deported to germany after the ww2, even if they lived in yugoslavia for generations.
Actually, Germans weren't deported. They left the country, because they were either afraid of revenge or if they stayed after the end of the war, because they became victims of revenge measures. Those who stayed in Yugoslavia were treated quite brutally for their collaboration with the fascists, with partisans carrying out extremely harsh collective punishments. However, they had to get themselves out of the country, state didn't do that for them, afaik.
The Aedile thing sounds like it was just a "well the Romans had Aediles, so we should too" kind of thing.
The entire thing just sounds like someone who was a little too into ancient Rome.
Amazing how hypocritical the allies were.
They are what they are. The problem of Woodrow Wilson was that he had a savior complex and he was at least somewhat racist even for the time so only certain people that were seen as somewhat civilised have the right to self determination. So you have a pretty good Idea like the self determination of peoples only being done when it doesn’t negatively effect the Allies (the western Allies like France, UK and the USA) since the Allies control a lot of people that were seen an unable to rule their own nation.
@@Helania12 the US had no control over the post war boundries in Europe. That was all France and to a much lesser extend Britain, who was more concerned with the collonies. Go hate America somewhere else.
Self determination for all people exept for: austrians, the people in south tyrol and the polish corridor, and all the people in the colonies of european people
@@herbertschulz4313 and hungarians. And bulgarians. Annd armenians. And greeks in Turkey. Etc etc...
@@Helania12Self determination was just a good excuse for France and Britain to weaken their rivals and satisfy their national interests. Not that I am saying that it didn’t do good things, giving suppressed peoples the ability to make decisions about their communities, but the thinking wasn’t all that pure. Just outright saying they wanted to dismantle and neuter the Austrian Empire and German Kaiserreich so they would never be threats again wouldn’t look good, it had to have for a “moral” reason. Thus it was all made to be about the repressed ethnic groups until it didn’t suit their interests like in Tyrol.
A visitor came to my house this afternoon and we briefly talked about Fiume when talking, what a wonderful coincidence.
Living in Rijeka is a completely different experience than living anywhere else in Croatia. Nationalist sentiment is very low, most people consider themselves Croats but there are a lot of 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants from Bosnia and Albania as long as there still being a somewhat noticeable Italian minority. As a matter of fact the Rijeka radio station "HRT Rijeka" still do news coverage in Croatian AND Italian. It is still a hub for leftist ideas, being the only city in Croatia to hold parades for the Day of the Fight against Fascism, the large center-left party of Croatia has been ruling over Rijeka since Croatia gaining its independence after the Yugoslav wars, there being a lot of flyers plastered around the city, organizations promoting anti-capitalist sentiment and being the only city in Croatia to have a homeless shelter. It is also one of the few cities that has high approval ratings of the old socialist government.
To reiterate, a lot of people will still specify their ethnicity, but most don't Identify with it. Rijeka is just too different from the Croatian country side and the other port towns around Croatia. I and most people I know would sooner relate to being a Resident of Rijeka than being a certain nationality. Its multicultural nature IS the culture of Rijeka.
I am glad someone decided to make this video and I am always glad to learn more about my cities history 😁.
Dakle puno jugosa ispranih mozgova koji još nisu izabrali vlast osim one koja im je nametnuta 1945
pointing out "plesbescite" as requested 😁
*he said it twice, it eventually achieved comical value*
I suppose I did ask for it
The clarification of Gabriele D'Annunzio role at that time by Sir Manatee is clarified. Visiting Rijeka and Trieste and only being told about the post WW2 Chaos in Trieste makes sense about the area. Absolutely fantastic broadcast as usual. I hope there is a Broadcast about Emperor Maximilian and the KüK Kriegsmarine in the future. More interesting aspects of that area
As someone who's been here almost every year due to my mother being born in Fiume/Rijeka who's parents were Italian and Croat this was a very personal part of history. Thank you!
My great grand mother still had her Italian irridentist tendencies, whilst my grandparents became socialist to offset the horrors of war.
Watching the video rn, but I just wanted to say that your pronunciation of Italian names is excellent
He does a good job with various Slavic languages too. It's a breath of fresh air from the butchery that a lot of English content has.
@@valentinbezdan570 Same with the German and usually French too. I love his effort to accurately represent all the different nationalities
Grazie :)
Oh I was _just_ thinking about the Fiume crisis and hoping one of my favorite history TH-camrs would do something on it! (Well I guess this will do instead. Haha just playing! Thank you for this fun video.)
As a croatian I love that you are covering this, cause I honestly have no clue about history of Rijeka cause it's just so complicated. We always mention it as "ah yeah and then "X" tried to steal/managed to steal rijeka from us" and we are left not knowing what exactly happened.
It's an italian land that was taken away post ww2 as punishment. Simple. The 1910 demographic census shows it had over 60% italian population vs only 19% croats.
@@anonymous-hz2un you didnt watch the video did you? and the census didnt ask bout the nationality it asked about what language people use in their daily life the most
@@emelgiefro ah, yes, of course, but when discussing Dalmatia the census suddenly becomes 100% accurate. So balkan. 🤔
@@anonymous-hz2un same for istria also
Costal towns were higher % italian but inland was slavic
The reason italy lost lands is because it never invested in them to begin with. Colonies in the adriatic.
@@anonymous-hz2unso Italian to fuck up in ww2 and lose all you gains from the last one
Every time I’m convinced there’s no way you could possibly produce another amazing video analysing undervalued old-world or Belle Epoque phenomena you prove me wrong yet again
HE CAN’T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
Totally agree, except I think he can get away with it a few more times
@@countravicchio1050 without a doubt, we’re blessed
@Wn9618 as an American who has no frame for the period, that is what I find interesting about his content, all the time he puts into setting up the period and place the event/crisis happened
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The city of Zadar is Albanian.
There is even a neighbourhood named after Albanians (Arbanasi), where they settled after fleeing from the Ottomans.
It’s Norwegian 🇳🇴
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I always knew there was an era of controversy in Fiume but I didn't know the details of it! Thank you for this video. 👍
Your videos are always a treat! Keep on going man :D
Babe wake up, new Manatee video dropped
Italy got screwed by the allies in ww1 having been on their side, so they sided against them in ww2, and got screwed again...so they gave up and joined the allies again, and again got screwed, then got screwed by the west in the cold war like this tragedy....i tell ya, if the tripartite alliance ever comes back, its gonna be vendetta supremo
What? 😂… do you know what happened in the Triplice? Look at Britain… Italy was ready with an armistice and convinced also France… the Britain came to and with their secret service (Mussolini was a agent) paid all for Propaganda.
Respect for all the Soldiers…
This is what you get for being weak and trying to act tough. About the points you made, WWI was basically a fourth war of independence with very little significance in the big picture of the European war, the Russians did far more to destroy the Austrians than the Italian army ever could achieve for example. Not to disregard the heroism and suffering of the soldiers in the cruel alpine war, but these are the facts so Italy should have been content with south Tyrol and Istria really.
About the cold war, Italy reached a level of prosperity never seen before and such as many didn't even think possible for the nation so I struggle really hard to say that we got screwed lol. Entering in the American sphere of influence has been by far the best deal we got in the short and rough history since the unification
Italy got all ethnically Italian majority regions and even more. Everthing else were imperialistic claims without substance.
@@ekesandras1481 that’s superficial point of view… at the same level of other countries that claimed or invaded lands without a reason… anyway
@@ekesandras1481oh yeah because Corsica isn’t a fucking thing am i right?
Very interesting, unbiased and informative. Thanks for your work!
Another excellent video! I had a thought the other day- perhaps you, with your extensive knowledge on Central Europe, might be able to do a video about the Sorbs, or something relating to them?
"right of self determination" yeah that only applies if it aligns with american/uk's interest.
Excellent choice of music
Great video as always bro! Idk why I wasn't subscribed
Never heard of this, insane story. Thanks for the video
Red Flood
I've known about Fiume and the dispute over it after ww1 for quite awhile, but never more than just mentions of it in games like vicky, or hearts of iron- its nice to finally have the full picture told to me in such a high quality video.
Really interesting story. It's so fun to learn this way of the past.
The episode of Behind The Bastards about D'Annunzio is great
Good video as always. 4/5. Needs more Conrad Von Hötzendof tho...
The video in itself was pretty complete, but I would have sopken more about the Italian(Dalmatians and Istriots) exodus, the conflict of the border between Italy and Iugoslavia, the various "acts" of partisan movement, in and right after WW2, that tried to cleanse the regions, especially Ustaše, Chetniks and Iugoslav Communist.
In the last case important since autochthonous Italic and German people were persecuted or outright killed.
(while cleansing in most of Iugoslavia unfortunately).
The only "correction" is that most if not all Arditi, other than being shock troops, they were volunteers too, especially d'Annunzio.
Which is important to look at, since it was one of the reasons of his and their(Arditi as a whole) charm and push.
And during the Fascist period, Mussolini did his the best to ostracize d'Annunzio, because he feared his influence and knew he wasn't acceptative of his governement and fascism as a whole.
Small fun-fact which is releated, d'Annunzio volunteered, Mussolini did always his best to escape draft, landing in prison multiple times.
> serbs help croats to expulse the italians.
> croats then explulse serbs during operation storm
> oh, the irony
@@piotrcarafa7993 Italians living in the Dalmatia and Istria ≠ Dalmatians and Istriots
@@okon7464what are Dalmatians and Istriots then?
@@okon7464 Istriot and Dalmatian refer to the Italian-origin Romance languages and peoples of, respectively, Istria and Dalmatia. You are right in that they were not simply "Italians living in Dalmatia and Istria," but when the historical Italian minorities of Istria and Dalmatia are referred to, it is these groups that are most typically meant, not simply Italian immigrants. They were distinct Italian-origin ethnicities which spoke their own languages and had their own culture, but originated (with some Slavic influence, of course, given their geographic proximity) linguistically and culturally in Italy.
I think you may be confusing Dalmatians and Istriots, unique Italian-ish ethnicities, with the general residents of Dalmatia and Istria. It's a reasonable misunderstanding, since "-ian" and "-iot" are two standard ways of turning a place name into a name for the people of that place, but Dalmatian and Istriot, at least in this context, refer specifically to those ethnicities and not to their majority-Croatian modern population.
Is that a redflood reference 😉
Fiume always giving me a hard time as Le Patron when they declare their futurist risorgimento when I least expect it.
Talking about Fiume (a city named after a river of fiume) while Vltava (Moldau) plays in the background LMAO
God, how I love that so many niche topics are given coverage!
I hope to one day see a good video on the last days of Weimar Republic, namely the rule of Bruning and von Papen. But Weimar era in generall is a little underrepresented, to my personal dismay.
It would be such a fascinating topic to talk about, especially because i just finished reading "Triumph der Gewalt" by Ralf Zerback, which deals with these crucial years between 1932 and 1934. Maybe I'll make it a series in the future
@@SirManateee Definetly! I think there are many lessons to be lerned from the era, and that it is a source of immense nubmer of weird stories, as all the 30-tes are.
An italian city in hungary ruled by germans and now part of croatia?
Sounds fun
Welcome to the Balkans.
red flood moment
very good
nice!
I always wondered what a coincidence that János Kádar who was the leader of Hungary for 30 yrs was born in Fiume in 1912 and was buried in the Fiume Road Graveyard in Budapest. Fiume definietly was a melting pot of cultures as Robert Orosdy/Bartini, the guy who created those strange ekranoplans / ground effect vehicles for the Soviet Union, descendant of jewish-hungarian parents was also born in Fiume and used an italianised version of his name.
The White Man’s Burden is indeed interesting 🤨🤨🤔🤔
tbh fuime should have been a condominiom
there we gooo, I can finally sleep
This guys voice reminds me of smethels from titanic adventure out of time
Fiume is italian, Danzig is german, simple as.
I’ve just checked, neither of those statements are true.
@@tatata1543 thank you for your valuable input, Pawel
It's rightful Spanish land 🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸
Do a video about the 1920 Carinthian plebiscite
3:26 they fought in the ALPS
Bunga Bunga, D'Annunzio reminds me of a certain more recent Italian politician who has just died.
congratulations, outstanding...
but still there are mistakes. For example, the claim that Andrea Ossoinac was at the head of the movement for independence.The leader of the autonomist party was Riccardo Zanella. Ossoinac advocated joining Italy, in fact, at a meeting with President of the USA Wilson, he submitted an economic plan and reasons for joining Italy. The Americans rejected it.
anyway, congrats for effort.
The word is plebiscite (pronounced plebisite), not plesbiside. That sounds like a lesbian beach party.
What is fiume?
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You should do a video on the fascist leaders that were from Austria-Hungary. Adolf Hitler 🇩🇪, Ante Pavelić 🇭🇷 (Džafer Kulenović for 🇧🇦as vice president of the NDH), Jozef Tiso 🇸🇰, Ferenc Szálasi 🇭🇺, Stepan Bandera 🇺🇦, Ernest Peterlin 🇸🇮, Radola Gajda 🇨🇿, Horia Sima 🇷🇴. All were born in the same country, and all wanted a “Greater X country” which often conflicted with each others nationalism.
While not born, these leaders were often active politically and militarily in the former Austria-Hungary, Milan Nedić and Draža Mihailović 🇷🇸.
ernest peterlin wasn't the main commander, leon rupnik was
@@curseditem8354 true, but I don’t think Slovenia even had a mainstream fascist movement or party. Axis collaboration doesn’t inherently mean fascists anyway.
Hitler’s Nazi Party, Pavelić’s Ustaše, Tiso’s Hlinka Party, Sima’s Iron Guard, Szálasi’s Arrow Cross Party, Bandera’s Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists, Gajda’s National Fascist Community, etc all were things before world war 2 even started. They all were the most nationalist or fascist from any political organization in their communities, and had influence in governments or trying to create governments. All were active in fighting in the wars too.
What was the Slovene equivalent of this?
Because Milan Stojadinović’s Yugoslav Radical Union and Dimitrije Ljotić’s Yugoslav National Movements were Yugoslav fascist parties, but weren’t Serb nationalism or Serb fascism, even if those organizations were ran by Serbs. Serbs had the Chetniks basically for themselves.
@@That_GuyTH-cam i agree with what you said, but in terms of commanding the slovenian collaboration, at least on paper, rupnik had a higher higher rank while in the end peterlin got sent to dachau
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Yugoslav radical union wasn't a fascist movement, but a conservative one.
@@That_GuyTH-cam "and had influence in governments or trying to create governments. All were active in fighting in the wars too." Idk about the others but this doesn't apply much to Gajda’s National Fascist Community. It was pretty ineffectual and had basically no popularity during it's existence, even at it's height receiving only 2% of the vote in 1935. It is perhaps comparable to Ljotić's Yugoslav National Movement, which was similarly unpopular and inconsequential. It had no tangible influence up to 1938, and beyond. And post-Munich, Gajda was forced out of politics totally and the party itself collapsed, unable to mobilize any support even as German authorities were setting up collaborationist parties and canvasing from the far-right.
Ist Fiumeian!
D’Annunzio was a provoker… ✍🏼
I will never understand why the entente was so gracious to Serbia when Serbia both started the war and lost their front.
That Constitution sounds pretty based to be honest, it's a shame they didn't retain it- I dont know why they didn't just accept the independent city state status & used their newly setup government as the groundwork- sounds like they were refusing what they wanted... strange.
Rijeka isnt really self sufficient and depends on the rest of the country to even function
This is normal in balkans
There is sich a thing as too small to succeed
İt sounds like woke garbage. Give women all the rights of men with none of the responsibilities. Muddy the lines of morality and tradition. And then make the family structure something alien and undesirable. Nothing based about it at all.
@@parlyramyarthis analysis is very superficial. I suggest you read more about the "Carta del Carnaro" and revise your opinion and also try to contextualise the movement in it's historical period.
@@parlyramyarmoreover, while men were the protagonists of the takeover of Fiume, women played a very important role.
Is coast? Is Croatia. Glory to the Holy Crotian Hydrophilic Empire
Fiume is Lithuanian
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I had the pleasure of visiting this beautiful city. The traces of its Italian history can be seen everywhere around the city. The Corso is a great place with lots of historic buildings. Great buildings include the Palazzo Adria (10:46) on Piazza Adriatica, the Torre Civica (11:02), the Venetian villa, the city theater once named "Giuseppe Verdi", the Italian school and the old town with St. Vito's Cathedral. You can definitely also feel the Hungarian influence. It's a really pretty city with a great seaside view, where you can observe the islands of the Quarnaro, it almost looks like a lake sometimes. Unfortunately the surrounding green hills have been ruined by commie blocks, but what can you do?
For the Fiume Crisis, I suggest the book "Disobbedisco" but it's only for Italian speakers unfortunately.
Rest was ruined by affordable housing you mean
Anyone with any grain of brain will laugh at that statement
@@Bleilock1 there are pretty commie blocks and ugly ones. In my city there are lots of them that look good. In Fiume, those ones look awful and they look more like shtty towers than buildings. I don't mean to say they are bad, but if you build them wrong you can ruin an entire place.
@@Bleilock1There are pretty ones and ugly ones. In Fiume they look awful. They look like towers that ruin the landscape. Where I live there are some, but they look good.
@@Bleilock1 "affordable housings" 😂😂 i understand that commie blocks are Croatia's only contribution to the city, but cmon...
@@Bleilock1Anyone with a grain of brain would not be a leftoid boot licker like u. Back to reddit.
" affordable housing " imagine living in those cheap mud huts made by alcholic workers. Humans need houses, not matchboxes, but thats a leftoodic brain for you
Croazia is tied with Italy… the only bad story is that 350.000 civilians were deported after the war for political reasons… It was a huge problems for theme…
Don't forget the large Serbian population of fiume
Dang i thought fiume was a nathion in a red flood not an accthual state
Btw Gabriele D'Annunzio was a legend, no questions asked
He was a fascist freak who led thousands of young men to pointless deaths. Shame on you, childish fool
@@imeantherearethedarktownsy5210not really fascist… more a provoker, revolutionary… not really a politician… he was used by Mussolini and he in the end he was against him…
@@imeantherearethedarktownsy5210Fascism has very little in common with D'annunzio. Perhaps only the Irredentist tendencies and that's basically it. Fascism and the ideology of Fiume have nothing in common. One was "The state is everything", the other was a very free society with a very advanced constitution with ample social liberties and a very different economic model which aimed to bridge the gap between the distant governors and the common people.
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Ti be fair Italy did fairly well in ww1 having to confront in a single front largely by herself most of the might of Austria Hungary
Italy also managed to stop Austria after Caporetto disaster in the Piave line and didn’t capitulate
Also it has some truth that French and England didn’t respect their own promises done to Italy before the war while they largely gobbled up and divided between themselves German colonies
Their behavioir led also to problems with Japan that like Italy felt being treated unfairly and like second class powers by French and uk governments
This is no justification
But many of the root of ww2 can be directly traced back to the decisions of France and uk at the peace table
The radicalization of Italy for their betrayal of the secret treaty
Japan turn into ultra militaristic and nationalist power
The complete humiliation of Germany with the reparations that directly lead to the seeds of the Nazis rise
Uk and France behaved like they were still enforcing napoleonic era treaties and division of the world based around their respective imperial powers interest and didn’t realized that created the same monster that would plunge the world in a second more destructive world war
The hell you mean italy did well? When austria was occupied in two other fronts and was in a worse position the Italians failed to exploit and did astonishingly awful
@@elemperadordemexicohow so? Italy had the same gains the other western powers had in the western fron with the difference that italy had to break trought fortified positions in mountains with 3k m of dilevel while the allies had to go throught plains and small hills
@@elemperadordemexico germany was occupied in 2 fronts and yet france did not managed to held the line without belgian and uk help at first and later also american
italy did a fine job for 2 years with results comparable to the western front allies
conssidering also that austria hungary was on the defensive foot in that period and that terrain configuration (the alps and the rivers of friuli region) and the defensive position it held for 1915/1916 made very easy for austria hungary to held the line
italian forces launched several major offensive pushes but had no better luck than what france and germany were experiencing on the western front
machine gun and trenches bogged the entire frontline making large scale assoult essentially useless
caporetto was a disaster and yet italy managed to reform a frontline on the piave line and ultimately win his front against austria hungary
the italian army bogged down the most of the weight of austria hungary blokcking them on the italian front and avoaiding their redlepoyment alongside the germans on the western front especially after the dissolution of the eastern front
italy did a pretty decent job and put on the line milions of dead and wounded on the altar of victory against the central powers
it could have done better? surely. but all considering it did a prett good job and was a huge part of the wiining effort of the allies
Most of the might of Austria-Hungary was bound on the Russian front, where it played a larger role than Germany. Only regarding media attention and passion was Austria-Hungary more focused on the Italian front. But I agree partially, Italies performance gets unfairly badmouthed, just like that of Austria-Hungary. In reality it was the Germans, Frenchmen, Russians and the British Empire that didn`t achieve half as much as they should have if their inflated self-perception had correspondet with reality.
@@user-bi9jq8eu4j after Russian collapse Italy bogged down most of the weight of the Austria Hungary armies
And they held the line
Without the Italian front Austria would have been able to immediately redeploy alongside the Germans nearly doubling their numbers
Given the fact that the western front was on a precarious equilibrium the sudden arrival of Austria Hungary could very well have the same effect of what the Americans
But your comment is otherwise very on point
11:24 my favourite genre of political ‘cartoons’ is blatant fantasy fulfillment 😂
saying serbo-croat in the context of 1910s is completely wrong. the language was purely croatian, unmistakenably so due to the dialect spoken in the region.
in todays context however, you could argue serbo-croat is spoken there.
ples-bicite? Don t you mean: pleeb-a-cite?
plebiscite
i have a tidy little collection of Fiume s postage stamps: a dead country now, but rememberred!
It is croatian raaaaaaaaas ❤
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Great video. Good detail. One observation…at that stage, Yugoslavia did not exist. It was definitely the kingdom of Croats, Serbs and Slovenes (whatever the order was)
You're right! But it was already colloquially known as Yugoslavia even before the country officially adopted that name in the 1920s. And repeatedly saying „Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes" is bound to make you go mental.
@@SirManateee I’d meant to say how tedious it would have been to repeatedly say “kingdom of…”. I’m certain I’ve not seen as in depth an analysis of the the Fiume dispute as you have presented. Look forward to when you do a follow up on a similar issue following Fiume post Second World War. Thank you. Zoltán
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To be fair, it was the Italian troops that stopped the A-H onslaught along the Piave River in June 1918, the last major Hapsburg offensive of the great war. And in the end, obviously they won the war.
So, Italy's effort in WWI was not that dismal failure this video would have us believe.
Also for the sake of historical accuracy, the 'series of violence and retaliatory acts' - that is very briefly mentioned at 22:00 - was in fact an operation of deportation and assassination and against the Italian population in Istria/Carnaro, who by now were defenseless.
It really sucks how this place used to be such a gorgeous city with people from everywhere
EJA
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ALALA
Hip hip hurrah!
Fiume is tied with Italy. Croazia is sister of Italy. About the history of WWI, It’s not correct in its complexity.
Actually italian council was right years later italians will be cleared from Rijeka
Ritorneremo
@Matt-ni8jh Oh, absolutely! Why not?
@@josiprakovac3284 prepare a tourist guide that speak Italian
@@mr.archivity What do you mean?
@@josiprakovac3284 he said “ritorneremo” (we will come back).
You said “absolutely”
I said “prepare a tourist guide” as meaning that they will return as tourists
@@mr.archivity I'm glad I didn't write some nonsense! Greeting!
Fiume is Hungarian.
-Me, someone from the Papal States.
Fiume is of the World
Mispronouncing the "s" in plebiscite, disliked and unsubbed
But he is german, undisliked and resubbed
understandable
I don't agree with description of Italy's military performance as being less than ideal. You should read more about the war on the Italian front, about the fierce Italian resistance against the Austro-Hungarian Strefexpedition on the Trentino front in 1916, on the terribile battles on the Isonzo, the conquest of Gorozia, the resistance on the Piave and Monte Grappa after the retreat from Caporetto in 1917.
When one general keeps ordering 10 battles be fought in the same river and calls those who oppose to those plans are unpatriotic cowards, we can say yes, Italy's military performance is less than ideal...
@@AdolphusEudora General Cadorna was replaced after Caporetto. And it was General Cadorna who had prepared the defensive line of Mount Grappa and the Piave in the event of an Austrian breakthrough on the Isonzo front.
He was no saint, but we cannot describe the performance of the Italian army as unsatisfactory on the whole. From the point of view of logistics they were very advanced, the Alpine front was a very complicated terrain.
Ridateci Fiume
Trst je nas. Trst je slovenija
@@succerberg84Your country isn't worth shit. You were the slaves of the Habsburgs and the Serbs.
6:47 "Wilson seemed more than happy to voliate the right to self-determinatio when it came to the question of ....Polish corridor...."? Can you elaborate @SirMonatee? What regrets did capitulating German Empire have? Not enough Lebensraum for "peace-loving" but neigbour's land-grabing Germans? Do you remember the date 1772 and annexation of Polish Royal Prussia, northern part of Greater Poland and areas of northern Kuyavia? Frederick II of Prussia in 1773 named those annexed territory Western Prussia. And guess what ... Frederick II ordered settlement of German colonist in conquered territories.
Danzig had over 90% grrmans population. Facts!
@@anonymous-hz2un As you can see in the quote @SirMonateee mentioned not Gdańsk/Danzig but "Polish corridor". So Facts: 🤣 "According to the German census of 1910, in areas that became Polish after 1918, 42% of the populace were Germans (including German military, officials and colonists), while the Polish census of 1921 found 19% of Germans in the same territory.[23]"
@@zk1919 the polish corridor is nothing else but Danzig's hinterland. Sorry, Przemek 😉
Fiume is italien and only italien
Half and Half… more Roman…
it’s funny how a German speaking girl is saying that Fiume is Italian
Rijeka is croatian 🇭🇷
Viva Fiume italiana! Viva il Vate!
Ok talijan
Italians, after having the gall to annex Venetia, still wanted more land and decided to fuck with the Slavs for it. They were ridiculous then, they're still ridiculous now.
What slavs? Oh, you mean catholic serbians 😂😂
Huh? In what isn’t Venetia Italian? And for that matter isn’t it clear Fiume was majority Italian?
@@legchairhistorian5496 оf course they were. Ivan here just talks some bull.
@@anonymous-hz2un i"m not a Slav, i'm Venetian. And the so-called "Italians" in Fiume were Venetians.
@@AS10944 no venetian would take the side of the slavs over their fellow italians. Why are you always lying??
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And without jokes, you could write in the title "Fiume/Rijeka" at least
Why would he do that? It was called Fiume at the time and is known generally as the Fiume crisis. People talk about Danzig crisis, Konigsburg, Siege of Constantinople, etc. I think you get the picture!
No because it's the historical name used in context
Give it a rest!
1910 census shows it had over 60% italian population vs agains only 19% croats. Sorry, Ivan 😎
@@anonymous-hz2un But when I bring up the Austro-Hungarian census Italians scream that it's illegitimate because it shows Slavic majority in Dalmatian Istria and Trieste surroundings. Curious 🤔
What an awful report!!!
Fiume is Portuguese