Oh boy, have fun with this one. Hope it helps you become a better putter out on the virtual course. Make sure to sub to stay up to date with tutorials, and fire away with any questions you have. Timestamps: Intro - 0:00 Elevation - 1:25 General Rules - 03:30 Example 2 - 06:18 Example 3 & Lying Grids - 09:10 Longer Putts - 11:01 Long Putt Example 2 - 13:43 Short Short Putts - 15:43 Putting Summary & Misc. - 16:56 Simulation Putting - 19:13 Sim Putting Elevation - 21:10 Sim Putt Example 2 - 23:05 Sim Putt Example 3 - 24:19 Sim Summary - 25:40 Conclusion - 26:05
I have a weird problem when I play the golf game I use my left thumb to swing in the game. It will not pull back the stick. I have three controllers all pretty much brand new none of them work using the left controller and all the other games I have no problems whatsoever with any controller, I was wondering if you ever heard of this problem and I can’t shoot with my right thumb at three click is out of the question. Have you ever heard of this? Please get back to me I can’t get any support help from 2K. I would appreciate it. Thank you.
Fantastic video explaining putting. This is going to be EXTREMELY helpful for me. Now if I can stop from rolling the ball all the way off the green on almost every approach...
Only interested in learning to putt in Simulation Using the puttline and grid beads been wayy too easy for me in career mode. I need to be challenged or I'll lose all enjoyment. This really helped. I've just been automatically going with the assisted speed and putline without even looking at these numbers. (way to easy for me) Great Vid You earned a sub
Something to add on the lying beads, it helps to read the grids on the left and right and try to make an assumption that maybe the break is to the right even though the beads show left because the grid on the right is faster and the grid to the left is flat if that makes any sense.
I see your Tron T-shirt and I'll raise you mine in my next video Respawn haha. Loving your video style though dude, another banger. We need this putting update quick, it's a mess right now. Interesting youre using the same "smashing the putt" 5 to 10 feet when it's relatively straight as I do. You should see how much I blast it though, I aim right at it and add on 2 to 3 grids on my marker and bang it. It's like putting a marble into a bucket this game lol....Now that's "Blast Off" haha.
This helped me massively! The most well explained putting tutorial I've seen so far, even if you did almost forget to mention the grid squares are 2x2 😂
Came here for help putting in sim. Much appreciated. Hoping it helps! Have a sub 👍🏼 Edit: it's kinda helped, but I cannot read the grid at all. Lines are all white or blue. No idea what they mean and can't always tell the direction it breaks
So I've just tested this a little bit and for me this method is (unfortunately) inaccurate. I don't know whether to blame this on the inconsistent grid speeds (the putt wasn't a consistent break) or whether the putting in this game just sucks overall, but I've had very similar 7 and 8 footers with a simular "above" or "below" the feet and one missed high and one missed low (those were relatively consistent so therefore I knew exactly how far to aim out). Which means there's either another factor we're not seeing or it's simply ... un-doable to putt right now. I simply can't make a putt. If I'm further than 6ft. out I'll not make the putt unless it's dead straight. For me, personally, I feel like if you're about 7ft. out you play about 1 and a half ball out to the left or right per 1' "above" or "below". However if you get to the 10 foot mark, I feel like it plays pretty much 1 to 1, maybe 1ft. for 1' of "above" or "below" is a little bit too much, because I feel overall my putts miss high. So maybe it's closer to 1ft. per 1.2'. I'll test it further but it might be futile, because I think I have to mainly blame this on the weird dots and greens not reading like they should. Also, I don't know if you or anyone else has noticed, but when you use the broadcast putting camera it'll briefly show the "actual" grids of your putt -after- you've hit. I've literally stood there 2,5 ft. past the hole because I missed a putt with that first putt having lines go from left to right, and then I look at it from the other side and the lines go left to right again, which means the "original" putt read would've been right to left instead of left to right. I don't know, I don't think I can get my head around it.
I also found if you are confident in 3-5 foot putts you can get real aggressive and say if it's 15ft up 3in that you aim to 22 ft it takes out significant break
Does anyone know of a way of putting w/o beads or grid….meaning read a bare green? Anything without huge breaks looks flat to me (withno grid )and i want to make the game somewhat challenging .. right now im winning by more than double the strokes of 2nd place has ,at least (with grid on and no beads)…..im starting to think i have to stay on hard settings (swing and putt)and use the grid and beads (its the only time id win with less than double 2nd place ) but its still easy enough and the fairway /tee shot slight miss swings that turn into an OB ballis fricken annoying lol..still win by far too …wishing i could figure out no grid putting on normal swing and putt setting
Great video! Subscribed for more content! Would it be possible for you to make another video going over estimating elevation in SIM mode? When going to a course for the first time I have no idea how to judge elevation gain/loss which makes it really hard setting up my first shot. Any advice is greatly appreciated!
That only really comes with course knowledge, unfortunately. However, they do color code the elevation, and I believe it is 15 feet and under is white arrow, 15 to 30 feet is yellow arrow, and 30 feet and above is red arrow. From there, there is a slight guessing game without the course knowledge.
If you really want a challenge when it comes to putting, disable the power bar below the avatar. Then the weight is all feel. I think it is much more realistic then knowing exactly what the weight is.
So you say if the green is uphill 2 feet you hit the ball 24 inches past the hole. My puts come up way short when this is the case. I think after a foot you need to increase maybe 1.5 feet for every foot past the hole it goes. Because even if I'm 90% of the time going .3% over the line on backswing and perfect follow thru. It comes up way short. And by way short, I'm talking 3-4 feet. Can you see if that is the case on your end? Oh and I just started playing SIM, and all I can say is WOW! yes it is hard and takes more time figuring out where I need to hit or put but it's so much more fun. My buddy I played with last night did nothing but cry. He complained about everything and I said "bro, there is plenty of info on the caddy book to figure it out." 😂 ok, Respawn! Take it easy and thanks as always for the tips! ✌🏼
16k real world cash Mastercard tournament in 2k23 right now. Can u imagine if ur close to winning and then the green lines READ the wrong way and it cost u 16k. Or the backswing lags and doesn't register in the 18th causing u to shank? When I make a mistake in 2k. It's my fault. Half the time in EA I feel it's games fault.
The wind in this game completely throws me off if its over like 12mph. I drop shots all the time whereas I was pretty good in 2K in the wind. Thats been my biggest drawback. So far I am putting well
Games I’ve played in the past, the break in the green did not influence the ball as much near the club (when the ball is moving faster) as it did near the hole (when the ball is moving slower) That’s not the case here is it? Doesn’t seem to be?
I’m so confused on what the putt tracker does? Can anyone explain to me what it’s saying. I know in the old games you can active to see where your putt is going but apparently that’s not the case in this game.
Coaching Academy On the Green Challenge 5 & 6 seem all but impossible. I've tried hundreds of times and I'm of the opinion those green are broken and its an impossible challenge.
I would like a better overall grid. The colors don't clash enough to warrant any distinguishment between slopes. And the same color is drawn with 10 different slopes. It's a little bit of a mess.
@@MoreRespawn Yeah, so I switched to Sim for career mode - and promptly shot a 61 at Scottsdale! Granted the weather was nice and the pins placed kindly (friday pins) - but holed so many putts in the 8-15 ft range using your rule of thumb as the basis. Oh and I watched the video of Sloaner shooting his -13 at Augusta (it's on TH-cam somewhere), I'd recommend it to anyone.
Personally I don't use mathematics with putts. I have a photographic memory, so having played so many golf games and greens to read, I can get it dialled almost everytime.
I don't think the putting is terrible BUT it is too easy not to three putt (or worse). There's no sense of danger on the greens. The green speed doesn't seem to matter at all. On a fast green it should be possible to race the ball past the hole with a misjudged putt (as in 2K) but it never happens. I know EA plan to have a no putting meter option and I hope they do further tweaks to the putting.
Rules of putting: The putting is garbage in this game, the lines are inconsistent and the putts randomly do the opposite of what the lines show. And in your explanation, the second part of your 15-feet breakdown doesn't make sense. You keep saying "it picks up speed, so instead of 0.3 foot I'll move it over a foot". You have to explain how you get to a foot. You probably compare the first third of the putt, the speed of the lines, to the second third of the putt and because those lines go triple as fast you triple that 0.3 into close to a foot, but you need to explain that in your video. It's a little bit too loose. Maybe you need to explain how much an inch is, how big the cup is and how you get to 6 inches or 9 inches. And then for shorter putts, how do you get to putting it out just a ball outside the cup based on 7ft.? It's just a bit random to me. Why not put it out almost a foot like you explained earlier on the 15 foot putt? To be fair I think it would be fairly easy to divise a formula based on the angle of the putt at the start multiplied by the distance to the hole, and adding/subtracting based on elevation change.
Literally watch the video. I try to be as clear and concise as I can while not making the video 2 hours long. If there is a "formula" I haven't found it yet as I have tried many different things. The best I have been able to do is find something that gets you close to the hole or in. With the grids not working properly right now, it makes it even harder, which is why this video is lots of generalizations. But I would rather have people have somewhat of an idea instead of no idea whatsoever and quit the game because of it. Also, if you were able to extrapolate how I arrived at an outcome, I'm not sure spelling that all out would help or take away as rambling. But I'll put it down on my notes on potential things to change in the future.
@@MoreRespawn The issue is that not every golf game works in like a linear way. I've played WGT golf and the mathematics on that game get pretty extensive. The hole has a different "size" so to speak depending on the distance. I feel like you're just doing it by feel and yes that will get you close, but explaining the measurements as in "this is 3 inches, this is 6 inches" would help. I think in a video like this it'd have been about 40 seconds to explain. I get your intention, but I do feel like some people would want a little more in-depth. Maybe best to wait until the grids are fixed and "perhaps" adding it in then? A golf cup is just over 4 inches in size, which means that if you move over by half-cups, it would be just over 2 inches, meaning 6 half-cups or just below 3 full cups would mean a foot. I'll mess around a bit and see what I find with the putting.
Yeah, I think first step before I dive back into this is for the grids to get fixed. It is hard to get anything extensive when the grids sometimes break the opposite direction the actual green is breaking.
Oh boy, have fun with this one. Hope it helps you become a better putter out on the virtual course. Make sure to sub to stay up to date with tutorials, and fire away with any questions you have.
Timestamps:
Intro - 0:00
Elevation - 1:25
General Rules - 03:30
Example 2 - 06:18
Example 3 & Lying Grids - 09:10
Longer Putts - 11:01
Long Putt Example 2 - 13:43
Short Short Putts - 15:43
Putting Summary & Misc. - 16:56
Simulation Putting - 19:13
Sim Putting Elevation - 21:10
Sim Putt Example 2 - 23:05
Sim Putt Example 3 - 24:19
Sim Summary - 25:40
Conclusion - 26:05
Absolutely! There are a number of good streamers out there, but your approach is the most informative.
I have a weird problem when I play the golf game I use my left thumb to swing in the game. It will not pull back the stick. I have three controllers all pretty much brand new none of them work using the left controller and all the other games I have no problems whatsoever with any controller, I was wondering if you ever heard of this problem and I can’t shoot with my right thumb at three click is out of the question. Have you ever heard of this? Please get back to me I can’t get any support help from 2K. I would appreciate it. Thank you.
Fantastic video explaining putting. This is going to be EXTREMELY helpful for me. Now if I can stop from rolling the ball all the way off the green on almost every approach...
Outstanding boss. So much I never realized. Actually looking forward to trying sim settings. Have a good weekend.
When you sim put with Leroy in the end can you breakdown how you are coming up with 6 to 7 inch elevation
Only interested in learning to putt in Simulation
Using the puttline and grid beads been wayy too easy for me in career mode.
I need to be challenged or I'll lose all enjoyment.
This really helped.
I've just been automatically going with the assisted speed and putline without even looking at these numbers. (way to easy for me)
Great Vid
You earned a sub
just read the putts the wrong way around and you should be good
😂😂
Way too many holes like this lol. Lines go right ball goes leftttt
Literally
Something to add on the lying beads, it helps to read the grids on the left and right and try to make an assumption that maybe the break is to the right even though the beads show left because the grid on the right is faster and the grid to the left is flat if that makes any sense.
I'm a shitter at came anymore, so the difference in the slider was a huge help. Subbed for that info.
Thanks bud. Putting has been kicking my a** . This makes it a lot easier.
Great tutorial on how to 2 putt, can you make one on how to one putt every hole next? Thanks
I see your Tron T-shirt and I'll raise you mine in my next video Respawn haha. Loving your video style though dude, another banger. We need this putting update quick, it's a mess right now. Interesting youre using the same "smashing the putt" 5 to 10 feet when it's relatively straight as I do. You should see how much I blast it though, I aim right at it and add on 2 to 3 grids on my marker and bang it. It's like putting a marble into a bucket this game lol....Now that's "Blast Off" haha.
Jesus, that is blast off lmaoo
Can't wait to see the tron shirt.
@@MoreRespawn :) which one you want haha..as you can see by my youtube logo, I'm a little bit of a Tron fan boi.
This helped me massively! The most well explained putting tutorial I've seen so far, even if you did almost forget to mention the grid squares are 2x2 😂
Are they?? As in, two feet wide, two feet long?
“Or we can just make it in one” 😂 You are the GOAT dude
Thank you for this video. Very helpful and I never used the below/above the feet information for putting prior to this video.
Came here for help putting in sim. Much appreciated. Hoping it helps! Have a sub 👍🏼
Edit: it's kinda helped, but I cannot read the grid at all. Lines are all white or blue. No idea what they mean and can't always tell the direction it breaks
Great! Your excellent videos have convinced me to buy the game (PC).
So I've just tested this a little bit and for me this method is (unfortunately) inaccurate. I don't know whether to blame this on the inconsistent grid speeds (the putt wasn't a consistent break) or whether the putting in this game just sucks overall, but I've had very similar 7 and 8 footers with a simular "above" or "below" the feet and one missed high and one missed low (those were relatively consistent so therefore I knew exactly how far to aim out). Which means there's either another factor we're not seeing or it's simply ... un-doable to putt right now. I simply can't make a putt. If I'm further than 6ft. out I'll not make the putt unless it's dead straight. For me, personally, I feel like if you're about 7ft. out you play about 1 and a half ball out to the left or right per 1' "above" or "below". However if you get to the 10 foot mark, I feel like it plays pretty much 1 to 1, maybe 1ft. for 1' of "above" or "below" is a little bit too much, because I feel overall my putts miss high. So maybe it's closer to 1ft. per 1.2'. I'll test it further but it might be futile, because I think I have to mainly blame this on the weird dots and greens not reading like they should. Also, I don't know if you or anyone else has noticed, but when you use the broadcast putting camera it'll briefly show the "actual" grids of your putt -after- you've hit. I've literally stood there 2,5 ft. past the hole because I missed a putt with that first putt having lines go from left to right, and then I look at it from the other side and the lines go left to right again, which means the "original" putt read would've been right to left instead of left to right. I don't know, I don't think I can get my head around it.
My guy sitting 17 under on the weekly Tour Harbour Town 😂🔥
I added u on ps5 btw 👍🏼💣
Thanks for the videos. One thing with real golf they say the ideal speed for putting is 18 inches past the hole so it seems like its somewhat accurate
I knew I shouldn't have slept through trigonometry.
Tier A comment lmaoo
I work from the angle of the hole backwards. Haven’t 3 putted yet
I also found if you are confident in 3-5 foot putts you can get real aggressive and say if it's 15ft up 3in that you aim to 22 ft it takes out significant break
Best tutorial on putting I’ve seen. Love it and it’s been so helpful
Awesome video! I'll be giving it a shot as I have been kinda guessing on the breaks. My elevation reads have been ok though
Appreciate this maybe I’ll switch to sim and play a few rounds and see how it goes my first attempt at Augusta on sim +12 not bad IMO
Really excellent video, thank you.
Does anyone know of a way of putting w/o beads or grid….meaning read a bare green? Anything without huge breaks looks flat to me (withno grid )and i want to make the game somewhat challenging .. right now im winning by more than double the strokes of 2nd place has ,at least (with grid on and no beads)…..im starting to think i have to stay on hard settings (swing and putt)and use the grid and beads (its the only time id win with less than double 2nd place ) but its still easy enough and the fairway /tee shot slight miss swings that turn into an OB ballis fricken annoying lol..still win by far too …wishing i could figure out no grid putting on normal swing and putt setting
just an observation on my part. so to summarize. for lefties below feet right to left vice versa left to right.
Thanks for the video and your time. I need all the help I can get 😩
Great video! Subscribed for more content!
Would it be possible for you to make another video going over estimating elevation in SIM mode?
When going to a course for the first time I have no idea how to judge elevation gain/loss which makes it really hard setting up my first shot. Any advice is greatly appreciated!
That only really comes with course knowledge, unfortunately. However, they do color code the elevation, and I believe it is 15 feet and under is white arrow, 15 to 30 feet is yellow arrow, and 30 feet and above is red arrow. From there, there is a slight guessing game without the course knowledge.
No matter what I do, I can't get enough speed behind the ball..it only goes halfway, then stops. :/ Using sticks (tournaments)
If you really want a challenge when it comes to putting, disable the power bar below the avatar. Then the weight is all feel. I think it is much more realistic then knowing exactly what the weight is.
So you say if the green is uphill 2 feet you hit the ball 24 inches past the hole. My puts come up way short when this is the case. I think after a foot you need to increase maybe 1.5 feet for every foot past the hole it goes. Because even if I'm 90% of the time going .3% over the line on backswing and perfect follow thru. It comes up way short. And by way short, I'm talking 3-4 feet. Can you see if that is the case on your end?
Oh and I just started playing SIM, and all I can say is WOW! yes it is hard and takes more time figuring out where I need to hit or put but it's so much more fun. My buddy I played with last night did nothing but cry. He complained about everything and I said "bro, there is plenty of info on the caddy book to figure it out." 😂 ok, Respawn! Take it easy and thanks as always for the tips! ✌🏼
16k real world cash Mastercard tournament in 2k23 right now. Can u imagine if ur close to winning and then the green lines READ the wrong way and it cost u 16k. Or the backswing lags and doesn't register in the 18th causing u to shank? When I make a mistake in 2k. It's my fault. Half the time in EA I feel it's games fault.
Probably why there isn't a 16K tourney going on in EA right now lol
The wind in this game completely throws me off if its over like 12mph. I drop shots all the time whereas I was pretty good in 2K in the wind. Thats been my biggest drawback. So far I am putting well
Incredible You're a genius! Thanks!
Thanks Bro. Anyone else putt better with putt assist disabled? Seems way off
Yes! Thank you! lol thought it was just me
Games I’ve played in the past, the break in the green did not influence the ball as much near the club (when the ball is moving faster) as it did near the hole (when the ball is moving slower) That’s not the case here is it? Doesn’t seem to be?
I still use the apply a number to the speed of the beads method and works great
So thorough...what a professional! Thanks
Putting has singlehandedly ruined this game for me.
Your not lying
Same
uphill won't work as a 1 to 1 factor. Its closer to 1-1.5. So if its 6 in uphill you want to aim 10 feet past the cup.
Great video! Now I can actually make a 15 ft birdie putt, dropped 6 shots a round
Very, very helpful. Thank you!!
so blue is downhill and white is level red up? Is that accurate or do I need a refresher
Great help and video!
thanks very much what you showed us was very helpful im putting more birdies
I’m so confused on what the putt tracker does? Can anyone explain to me what it’s saying. I know in the old games you can active to see where your putt is going but apparently that’s not the case in this game.
Great video! I love the TRON shirt!
How do you get that view of it showing your putting grade?? My ball is just in the top right corner and that’s it. Doesn’t show anything
Apex needs to watch this 😅
Yes, yes he does.
Coaching Academy
On the Green
Challenge 5 & 6 seem all but impossible.
I've tried hundreds of times and I'm of the opinion those green are broken and its an impossible challenge.
Youve transformed my game.
Putting god
You earned yourself a sub buddy I'm very new to Golf
How do you know the wind speed when on simulation?
is it complete guess work with no grid or can you make it work too?
How I putt is have the green beads off and have the putt read on. It helps a lot but it’s still tough to make some putts.
I've heard a few people say they enjoy this method.
That's arcade level
They need colors to show elevation and such
I would like a better overall grid. The colors don't clash enough to warrant any distinguishment between slopes. And the same color is drawn with 10 different slopes. It's a little bit of a mess.
@@MoreRespawn Hate color shit as I and many others are color blind and the setting for color blindness put me on an acid trip lol
Excellent stuff. Definitely hope to improve from my +4 first attempt on Augusta at sim level using this!
Looking forward to the update on scores! Hope this video helped
@@MoreRespawn Yeah, so I switched to Sim for career mode - and promptly shot a 61 at Scottsdale! Granted the weather was nice and the pins placed kindly (friday pins) - but holed so many putts in the 8-15 ft range using your rule of thumb as the basis. Oh and I watched the video of Sloaner shooting his -13 at Augusta (it's on TH-cam somewhere), I'd recommend it to anyone.
update #2: apparently +4 was enough to win at Sim level, so I'm now sporting the full Masters bag, clubs & clothing 😂
MOUSE.....can it be used yet like 2K?
What the dimensions of each square on the green? 3 feet by 3 feet?
Don’t worry you answered my question a minute later into the video! 😊
Is this putting or a math class. To much work for a damn game. Glad I paid for this terrible game with gift cards. Going back to GT7 lol.
Soooooooo much math....thanks for breaking it down and giving many different examples.
Thank
Welcome
Personally I don't use mathematics with putts. I have a photographic memory, so having played so many golf games and greens to read, I can get it dialled almost everytime.
Luckkkyyyyyy
@@MoreRespawn I am lucky In this regard however I must admit I could not do it without the grid lines like you do on full SIM.
Photographic memory doesn’t exist you have good recall
With no mid round save feature the last thing i want to do is apply math and drag out a round, its more satisfying to visualise and make it anyway.
Im still lost. Putting ruined this game. Even on arcade mode
8 Months later and the putting is still shit, wish I could get a refund...
I don't think the putting is terrible BUT it is too easy not to three putt (or worse). There's no sense of danger on the greens. The green speed doesn't seem to matter at all. On a fast green it should be possible to race the ball past the hole with a misjudged putt (as in 2K) but it never happens. I know EA plan to have a no putting meter option and I hope they do further tweaks to the putting.
grammar correction. not more firm. firmer. kapiche
Man, this golf game is Crap..
Ive found that the "one inch equals one foot" rule is not even close when you have ling putts. Super frustrating
Yeah, sometimes it is off, which is extremely dependent on the greens that you are on. Overall though, fairly close to standard.
Just remove the grid altogether. More like real life
Rules of putting: The putting is garbage in this game, the lines are inconsistent and the putts randomly do the opposite of what the lines show. And in your explanation, the second part of your 15-feet breakdown doesn't make sense. You keep saying "it picks up speed, so instead of 0.3 foot I'll move it over a foot". You have to explain how you get to a foot. You probably compare the first third of the putt, the speed of the lines, to the second third of the putt and because those lines go triple as fast you triple that 0.3 into close to a foot, but you need to explain that in your video. It's a little bit too loose. Maybe you need to explain how much an inch is, how big the cup is and how you get to 6 inches or 9 inches. And then for shorter putts, how do you get to putting it out just a ball outside the cup based on 7ft.? It's just a bit random to me. Why not put it out almost a foot like you explained earlier on the 15 foot putt? To be fair I think it would be fairly easy to divise a formula based on the angle of the putt at the start multiplied by the distance to the hole, and adding/subtracting based on elevation change.
Literally watch the video. I try to be as clear and concise as I can while not making the video 2 hours long. If there is a "formula" I haven't found it yet as I have tried many different things. The best I have been able to do is find something that gets you close to the hole or in. With the grids not working properly right now, it makes it even harder, which is why this video is lots of generalizations. But I would rather have people have somewhat of an idea instead of no idea whatsoever and quit the game because of it. Also, if you were able to extrapolate how I arrived at an outcome, I'm not sure spelling that all out would help or take away as rambling. But I'll put it down on my notes on potential things to change in the future.
@@MoreRespawn The issue is that not every golf game works in like a linear way. I've played WGT golf and the mathematics on that game get pretty extensive. The hole has a different "size" so to speak depending on the distance. I feel like you're just doing it by feel and yes that will get you close, but explaining the measurements as in "this is 3 inches, this is 6 inches" would help. I think in a video like this it'd have been about 40 seconds to explain. I get your intention, but I do feel like some people would want a little more in-depth. Maybe best to wait until the grids are fixed and "perhaps" adding it in then? A golf cup is just over 4 inches in size, which means that if you move over by half-cups, it would be just over 2 inches, meaning 6 half-cups or just below 3 full cups would mean a foot. I'll mess around a bit and see what I find with the putting.
Yeah, I think first step before I dive back into this is for the grids to get fixed. It is hard to get anything extensive when the grids sometimes break the opposite direction the actual green is breaking.
I have yet to figure the chip and pitch shots swing meter.
Disagree i still find putting too easy in games which is why i say people that moan about it are just bad and aren’t willing to learn
Here's a question that I never be answered so I don't even know why I'm asking it what is considered a long putt