My favorite moments in this first movie (let me know yours!): 3. Sam swims after Frodo and accompanies him to Mordor 2. Boromir's redemption and death 1. Bilbo's apology to Frodo in Rivendell
@@philipbutler6608 replaced the new party tree that was destroyed by sacking of the shire which was never in the movies. Neither! And that tree was from Lothlórien! Mallorn Tree and after everything was the only Mallorn tree besides VALINOR to be in middle earth. Piece of Valinor within the shire and her watch over the hobbits there!
So Galadriel often wondered if she could resist the power and temptation of the one ring, if ever offered. If she accepted, she knew she would be powerful beyond measure, so what she was describing when she was freaking out was what would happen if she were to take the ring. She said she passed the test, meaning she was able to maintain her free will and refuse the ring. She said she will go into the West, as all the elves are preparing to leave and go overseas. More details on that later :)
You asked about time passing. Bilbo's birthday was September 22 (Frodo shares the same birthday; Bilbo was 111 and Frodo 33). 17 years later Frodo leaves Bag End and starts his adventure on September 23 (just after his 50th birthday). Frodo wakes up in Rivendell and Gandalf tells him it is October 24. The Fellowship leaves Rivendell on December 25. The Fellowship breaks apart on February 26.
It's deeper than that with Galadriel, in the first age an Elf named Feanor (turned out to be an asshole supreme) request a hair from her three times, she refused all three. He'd wanted to set her hair in a jewel, but she saw the evil in his heart. Gimli asked once with a pure heart, she gave him three.
@@rppdfire @ He’s not an asshole. That’s truly a base level opinion that she one delves into it more. He’s more like Anakin Skywalker! Not to mention is the first to shun Melkor in Valinor. The silmarils were due to a vision of the darkening of Valinor so he stored the light and power of the primordial two trees into these imperishable crystals! He also went to middle earth to help his ancestors that the Valar wouldn’t help in centuries. Who were ravaged by Morgoth. Morgoth still fears him and his seven sons the most over anyone else to this day.
For someone, who is not into High Fantasy, it´s a fair score i think. It´s a lot of world building especially in the first movie (It´s my favorite though :D) It would be interesting to know, if you change the score of 6.8 after you have watched all three movies. They are really a complete package. All movies elevate each other into one beautiful, fantastic story.
hey man really liked your reaction. i generally think that the first movie tends to land less with people at the first watch, cause people need some time to get used to characters/the world and then the second and third people are used to the world and the story gets across better. Anyway, loved your reaction and looking foward to the next one
Interesting, because the first time I saw Fellowship, I didn’t love it either, but now having watched the trilogy many times, it’s my favorite. And remember, all three movies are really one book, one story, so you just watched the first third of a story.
Judging by your visceral reactions, you may have been more into it than your analysis would suggest. But I appreciate that you have approached these iconic films a little differently than I am accustomed to seeing. You're right about Gollum being a chaotic character. He will shake things up for sure! Looking forward to your reaction to The Two Towers.
In the moment, the emotions run wild! But afterwards I always take a breather to process everything before coming to a conclusion I promise I don't low-ball the review just to cause drama 😭
You just can’t have payoff and complete arcs and instant gratification. Things that you don’t understand just need patience, and a willingness to let the story unfold.
6.8 is wild, but everyone is different. It’s important to view the whole trilogy as one story, that’s why this doesn’t feel like a complete story by itself.
It’s split into three just like Tolkiens original time of Lord Of The Rings got hacked up into three but it was done well. At least some of us don’t have to read the particular versions where each book is split into two or three each lol
While it's referred to as the "Mines of Moria," it was actually an entire kingdom before falling into ruin, so depending where you are, books aren't really out of place. "Why was [Frodo] so dramatic?" He had the wind knocked out of him and while he didn't receive any major wounds, it would have still caused a lot of pain. It would be similar to someone wearing good body armor getting shot. They may not have a gunshot wound, but the kinetic impact of the bullet still causes a lot of pain. The Balrog needs a flaming sword and whip because it looks badass. 😆 Even Balrogs want to look cool, after all. Elves are the closest race to the divine in Middle Earth (they came from the Undying Lands, kind of like the Heaven of Middle Earth. That's why they often seem ethereal to the mere mortals around them. In the books, Boromir is given a golden belt woven in the shape of linked leaves. Some of the other gifts are changed from the book to the movie as well. "Missing that chaotic character right now." Pippin: Am I a joke to you? JK, I get what you were saying there. 😉
Galadriel's gift to Gimli has deeper meaning. She’s one of the 2-3 most powerful & wise elves remaining in Middle Earth since the time the land was young. She was born in a place called Valinor, or the Undying land... which is basically the place of residence of the Valar, the local pantheon, the local "gods" as you may call them. (Essentially the land that be untouched by Morgoth and where the holy ones still yet reside.) Back then, the world was not illuminated by the sun&moon, (only the stars, but rather by 2 trees of gold and silver, Telperion and Laurëlin that lit the world before the sun & moon were born from their last flower & fruit as they were basically killed by Melkor when he struck them with his Lance and Ungoliant the primordial Eldrich Terror vampirized the life force of the two trees. Ungoliant she was named by the Eldar/Elves). It is said that Galadriel's hair had enmeshed some of the shine and power of those two trees within her tresses. Her uncle Fëanor, who was a great king of the Elven people after his father Finwë was slain by Morgoth(Formally known as Melkor). Fëanor arguably was their greatest craftsman & warrior to ever live (besides the father of his wife Nerdanel who mentored him since he was born), asked if she could give him a lock of hair, so that he could use it to fashion 3 gems that would shine of the same light as the trees. Sensing his pride & a shadow that wasn’t exactly belonging to him brewing from within, she refused his request 3 times. He stopped asking and made the gems anyway, managing to complete the task he had set for himself even without her hair. Around these 3 gems, the possession of which became the driving force for many of the great events in the world, entire wars that lasted for centuries exploded, and other events. The gems actively shaped the fate of the races of middle earth to the point that the aforementioned Valar got involved directly. During these times, events surrounding the gems brought about the traditional enmity between Dwarves and Elves... the same enmity that Gimli still feels towards them. That enmity however does not survive his encounter with the wise Galadriel, whom Gimli basically falls platonically in love with. By giving him 3 of her hair, Galadriel is opening a door, offering an olive branch that might one day close the gap that divides these two races. Legolas, himself being an Elven prince and centuries old, knows of the story through his father Thranduil & grandfather Oropher, as it shaped the lives of all Elves, and his subtle smile is possibly the first act of acknowledgment and reconciliation. it is also a way for Peter Jackson, the director of the film, to give a nod to all of the fans who know these facts and backstories... a way to make us feel seen, and to make us appreciate just how deeply the makers of the film respect the books and larger universe created by Tolkien. The thing with the hair may seem weird, but there is a significance to it in real life as well as in the lore of the story. In real life, it was not uncommon for wives, fiancés, or even girlfriends to give their men (who were going off to war), a lock of their hair as a keepsake, particularly in WWI, which Tolkien fought in. The lore part of it comes into play in The Silmarillion, Tolkien's tales of the creation of Arda, the Undying Lands of Valinor, and Middle Earth. Galadriel is many, many thousands of years old, & was born in Valinor before the sun & moon were even created. At the time, the world was lit by two trees, one gold and one silver which would shine at different times from each other, but would shine together once a day when one would fade and the other brighten. Galadriel's hair was said to look like the light of the mingled light from the two trees, which may have inspired Feanor, a master craftsman and heir to the high king of the Ñoldor, to craft the Silmaril's which were three jewels that captured the light of the two trees, one golden light, one silver light, & one co-mingled light. Fëanor had a bit of a thing for Galadriel and begged her for her hair three different times, which she rejected because she could perceive the inner darkness of his heart and rejected him, which made them "un-friends" after that. There is a lot more to the lore than that, so this is the super crib-notes version. But the point is, it was VERY significant that she granted Gimli three of her hairs to a dwarf, when she would not to the son of her king (great uncle) over 20,000 thousand years ago of which she is related to all three kings who were brothers and Elu Thingol of Doriath was one of the brothers that didn’t stay in Valinor even though he was one of the elven ambassadors along with his three brothers and that king I mentioned was VERY close friends with Elu Thingol.)
Fellowship is mostly setup. Though there are three movies, it’s one big story! The character development is coming my friend. Enjoyed your reaction… and looking forward to your thoughts at the end.
Galadriel passed the test in that she had desired the ring being the most powerful elf in Middle Earth, and she did not take the ring though tempted. She is an elf queen and she will leave Middle Earth after having been there for about 8,000 years.
She never needed any rings to read the mind of Sauron without him knowing! And he could never read hers be it point blank or from afar. Long before he depleted his power into making the ring and pouring himself into it… she’s way older. As we cannot count Solar years
One of the better reactions and assessments from someone who is new to this and unaware of the world and tolkien's entire legendarium. Well, done. You will enjoy the rest a lot.
You have much to learns. Some of what you are looking for is developed in the next two parts of the trilogy. However, as rich as this series is, you must read both "The Hobbit" and "The Lord of the Rings". All is explained with regard to this part of the long history and incredibly detailed lore of Middle Earth. Even more history is in "The Silmarillion" and other books by Tolkien. Some of his writings are not that easy to read, but so rich and wonderful!
You would appreciate some scenes more if you knew the lore behind them. About Galadriel for example, you wondered about Elrond's age who watched Isildur claim the Ring 3000 years ago. Galadriel is much, much older. She's from one of the first generations of elves who lived with the Valar (the Gods basically) at Valinor. Her hair was said to rival in beauty the light of the Two Trees which were the light of the world before the Sun and the Moon were created. So, having Galadriel's hair is like possessing the primordial light of the world. Like Gandalf, Galadriel is tempted by the One Ring. Her test was resisting its power. If she took the Ring out of her desire to do Good, it would transform her into a terrible Queen who would probably remake Middle Earth for the superior race of elves and eliminate all other races.
Thanks for the info! It is definitely hard to fit everything into one movie, so I can understand if info from the books are cut Galadriel's temptation and eventual remorse just felt a bit too sudden as a first time watcher. Hopefully we see more of her and the others in movie 2 and 3!
Contrary to your initial assessment, I would argue that The Lord of the Rings is almost entirely character-driven. Each of the individual characters - and there are still some important ones to come - undergoes extensive development. What I find remarkable is your comment that you would like to see more conflict between the individual members of the Fellowship. That reminds me of how today's movies tend to be put together as if the individual protagonists had come out of a mental institution. The members of this group are trying to save their world and they are facing the ultimate evil. They all know that if they fail, it will mean the end of their world and everything they love. Cohesion is the only thing that can give them the strength to complete their almost impossible task. And they all take part in significant character developments. A few notes: Elves are immortal and Galadriel, at around 8000 years old, is one of the oldest. The five wizards are angelic beings, sent to Middle-earth to help in the fight against evil. And about the timeline: the journey takes just over a year. Sometimes that doesn't come across in the movie.
When the fellowship was put together, I was expecting some more infighting due to their biases, and the only thing keeping them together was their duty to deliver the ring. Most of this was shown through Boromir, but I wish the others showcased their differences more---so we can compare how the different races approach the same problem. Also, I should give more credit to Frodo's character for deciding to abandon the fellowship because he sees what the ring is doing to them. I said in the video he was "forced to" but really it was his own decision, and a difficult one at that
You’ll love the full scene with Frodo+Sam &Galadriel the great Peter Jackson & team didn’t seem to include.. which all this little stuff lead to that scene in the movies which gave it more meaning; & the”one who has seen the eye” thing was a mistake by the team. It gave the wrong message and was not needed as it lead some reactors to be like “so creepy lol” which diminishes how much farther that well done scene could have gone especially in the extended to do it properly as in the books that lays it out perfectly. •[Frodo] stepped back shaking all over & looked at the Lady. “I know what it was that you last saw”, she said; 'for that is also in my mind. Do not be afraid! But do not think that only by singing amid the trees, nor even by the slender arrows of elven-bows, is this land of Lothlórien maintained and defended against its Enemy. I say to you, Frodo, that even as I speak to you, I perceive the Dark Lord and know his mind, or all of his mind that concerns the Elves. And he gropes ever to see me and my thought. But still the door is closed!' She lifted up her white arms, and spread out her hands towards the East in a gesture of rejection and denial. Eärendil, the Evening Star, most beloved of the Elves, shone clear above. So bright was it that the figure of the Elven-lady cast a dim shadow on the ground. Its rays glanced upon a ring about her finger; it glittered like polished gold overlaid with silver light, and a white stone in it twinkled as if the Evenstar had come down to rest upon her hand. Frodo gazed at the ring with awe; for suddenly it seemed to him that he understood. 'Yes,' she said, divining his thought, 'it is not permitted to speak of it, and Elrond could not do so. But it cannot be hidden from the Ring-bearer, and one who has seen the Eye. Verily it is in the land of Lórien upon the finger of Galadriel that one of the Three remains. This is Nenya, the Ring of Adamant, and I am its keeper. 'He suspects, but he does not know - not yet. Do you not see now wherefore your coming is to us as the footstep of Doom? For if you fail, then we are laid bare to the Enemy. Yet if you succeed, then our power is diminished, and Lothlórien will fade, and the tides of Time will sweep it away. We must depart into the West, or dwindle to a rustic folk of dell and cave, slowly to forget and to be forgotten.' Frodo bent his head. 'And what do you wish?' he said at last. 'That what should be shall be,' she answered. 'The love of the Elves for their land and their works is deeper than the deeps of the Sea, and their regret is undying and cannot ever wholly be assuaged. Yet they will cast all away rather than submit to Sauron: for they know him now. For the fate of Lothlórien you are not answerable but only for the doing of your own task. Yet I could wish, were it of any avail, that the One Ring had never been wrought, or had remained for ever lost.' 'You are wise and fearless and fair, Lady Galadriel,' said Frodo. 'I will give you the One Ring, if you ask for it. It is too great a matter for me.' Galadriel laughed with a sudden clear laugh. 'Wise the Lady Galadriel may be,' she said, 'yet here she has met her match in courtesy. Gently are you revenged for my testing of your heart at our first meeting. You begin to see with a keen eye. I do not deny that my heart has greatly desired to ask what you offer. For many long years I had pondered what I might do, should the Great Ring come into my hands, and behold! it was brought within my grasp. The evil that was devised long ago works on in many ways, whether Sauron himself stands or falls. Would not that have been a noble deed to set to the credit of his Ring, if I had taken it by force or fear from my guest? 'And now at last it comes. You will give me the Ring freely! In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!' She lifted up her hand and from the ring that she wore there issued a great light that illuminated her alone and left all else dark. She stood before Frodo seeming now tall beyond measurement, and beautiful beyond enduring, terrible and worshipful. Then she let her hand fall, and the light faded, and suddenly she laughed again, and lo! she was shrunken: a slender elf-woman, clad in simple white, whose gentle voice was soft and sad. 'I pass the test,' she said. 'I will diminish, and go into the West and remain Galadriel.' They stood for a long while in silence. At length the Lady spoke again. 'Let us return!' she said. 'In the morning you must depart for now we have chosen, and the tides of fate are flowing.' 'I would ask one thing before we go,' said Frodo, 'a thing which I often meant to ask Gandalf in Rivendell. I am permitted to wear the One Ring: why cannot I see all the others and know the thoughts of those that wear them?' 'You have not tried,' she said. 'Only thrice have you set the Ring upon your finger since you knew what you possessed. Do not try! It would destroy you. Did not Gandalf tell you that the rings give power according to the measure of each possessor? Before you could use that power you would need to become far stronger, and to train your will to the domination of others. Yet even so, as Ring-bearer and as one that has borne it on finger and seen that which is hidden, your sight has grown keener. You have perceived my thought more clearly than many that are accounted wise. You saw the Eye of him that holds the Seven and the Nine. And did you not see and recognize the ring upon my finger? Did you see my ring?' she asked turning again to Sam. 'No, Lady,' he answered. 'To tell you the truth, I wondered what you were talking about. I saw a star through your finger. But if you'll pardon my speaking out, I think my master was right. I wish you'd take his Ring. You'd put things to rights. You'd stop them digging up the gaffer and turning him adrift. You'd make some folk pay for their dirty work.' 'I would,' she said. 'That is how it would begin. But it would not stop with that, alas! We will not speak more of it. Let us go!' When at last all that [Galadriel] had desired in her youth came to her hand, the Ring of Power and the peaceful rule of Middle-earth which she had dreamed... her wisdom was full grown and she rejected it.... Meaning definitely by now it’s become trivial to her. Even back in the day he couldn’t find her or pierce her mind and whenever he went looking for her presence he boils t find her ALL AT THE SAME TIME AS HER BEING ABLE TO READ HIS OWN MIND WITHOUT HIM KNOWING! Often times even from a great distance. That’s power. Just one calm look from her is all it takes to send even the Nazgûl run away from her. They even avoid her realm entirely, opting to travel hundreds of miles around her realm; both because of its own power as well as they know exactly who she is and her exact lineage through themselves being very old. 4000+years old. Especially the WitchKing(head Nazgûl). Remember Númenorean men are not like other average men. They were known to be rather superhuman & very tall. Between 6-8 feet.
“I shall NOT be dark, all EVIL will despair” part 2 - All creatures whose flesh are nourished by the matter of Arda have a tendency towards Melkor AKA Morgoth, for greater or lesser. Due to Melkor pouring his Malignant power into the very existence and essence of the world(Morgoth’s Ring” book explains a lot including how and when he put a portion of his remaining power into the earth itself. Sure, Galadriel was born in the Undying Lands where there was supposed to be no evil (souls of the Elves are greatly less subject to making faulty decisions), but Galadriel & the rest of her father's kin were directly targeted by the Evil Lord himself. Melkor corrupted a decent portion of the Noldor, basically telling them things along the lines of “My Valarin kin are cooping you all up in Valinor.”, which wasn’t their ancestral homeland to begin with, like Middle Earth was, Some were affected little, most were affected to greater degrees, and Galadriel was the least affected woman by the lies of Melkor, which were “sweet but poisoned honey" as she’d call his words. Her natural pious tendency towards goodness & kindness as shown by her ability to read the hearts of everyone and all living beings around her which aids her to provide what anyone truly needs. Due to the magic bleeding from the world as the ages went on; thanks to Morgoth’s Ring poisoning the earth long ago; lead to a what if scenario in her mind as she’d be the only living creature left with the skills & power to even use the ring. She didn’t need her ring at all to block him out of her realm telepathically as well as read his mind from afar without him knowing. But there is a difference between good people who are a bit morally challenged and the evil people. The evil folk act upon their impulses and unlawful desires, while the good folk overcome such flaws within themselves (and for some not always they can masterfully do this). Galadriel WOULD NEVER listen to Melkor and tread the path of toxic pride and ambition. Galadriel has a Fëa spirit that’s only grown larger as the ages passed on and on. Enough to channel into an effect that threw down fortress walls, without tiring her at all. And with that much Fëa, she is capable of holding her own against Maiar for a good long while, much like her brother Finrod did against Sauron, or her half uncle Fëanor did against Balrogs, and her full Uncle Fingolfin against Morgoth himself and nearly slayed the physical form of the fallen Vala himself! Fëanor effectively lost claim to the crown when he dragged his house to Middle Earth. Where he promptly died a heroic death after slaying several Balrogs at the Dagor-nuin-Giliath; The Elves first encountered Lord Of Balrogs named Gothmog in the Dagor-nuin-Giliath; (meaning “the battle fought under stars”) before the first rising of the Moon. In that battle, Fëanor's fury had caused him to draw forward of the main force of the Noldor, and so he came upon Gothmog with only a small guard left around him that rushed so deep into enemy territory. Fëanor slayed 2 or 3 balrogs at once & Gothmog slayed him after one bound him suddenly with its primordial flame whip when he was supposed to have an uninterrupted “one on one” duel with Gothmog but one wasn’t wanting to play fair. But he was fatally wounded and so his sons and host moved him away to a safe place where his body burned up from the fires of his own spirit. Even with a great ring like Nenya, Galadriel had enough of a boost in her Fëa(spirit) , where she could sustain an unassailable magical realm against Maiar and virtually anything on Middle-Earth. Only problem was when Sauron wore the one ring, she had to take off Nenya, and had to lose that Maia level Fëa spirit from the modernly termed “boosted power up” With the one ring, Galadriel would have such a boost in her Fëa spirit, that she’d literally become stronger than the foundations of the Earth. She never once is called queen or desires to be called such a thing, she and her husband Celeborn became the wiseman and wisewoman of that realm; after the previous elven lord Amroth died, (how he died is shown in a wonderful song by Tolkien that was brought to life by Brociliande) and his wife Nimrodel disappeared ontop of the fact Amroth’s Successor later died as well in the “Last Alliance” where Amdir died, (same battle shown in the prologue to Fellowship Of The Ring), All Evil Despairs at her presence let alone hearing her name on the wind. (They even founded Eregion together. she gracefully left after Annatar>Sauron sowed seeds of rebellion against anyone that had any level of lineage connected to the Noldor.) The Nazgûl themselves avoid her realm every chance they get to the point of choosing to go the long way around for over 100 miles just to avoid her. (So she’s definitely scary to foul entities that have turned away from Eru Îlluvatar the one AllFather.) She’s a totally good character. Aragorn even says to the Fellowship as they enter Lothlórien, “There is in her and this land no evil, unless a man bring it hither himself. Then let him beware!” If you’re going by her portrayal in the movies, you might think she has an evil element to her character, but that came from Peter Jackson’s portrayal of the addictive, coercive power of the Ring. When Frodo offered her the Ring, it presented her with visions of herself as the all-powerful benevolent Goddess of Middle-Earth. Luckily, she was smart & intuitive enough to realize that the Ring was totally evil, and despite the best of intentions, it would have turned her evil in the end-but she still would have appeared to be beautiful and good. I don’t agree with Jackson’s “drowned Galadriel” portrayal of her being tempted by the Ring-I think she’d have appeared as a supernatural being of divine beauty, and her regular appearance was close to that already, but how do you show that in a movie? Apparently, in her youth in Valinor, she was somewhat of a rebel, but that’s not necessarily evil. She certainly could have fallen into the same trap as her uncle Fëanor did, of thinking that everyone was entitled to her opinion-but she kept her ego in check. (If you’re not sure what I’m referring to there; please read The Silmarillion and “Unfinished Tales”.) No matter how noble her reason was to use the ring as a last resort, especially if said fellowship fell off the “edge of the knife” as she called it. she had a change of heart which happened in the middle of talking to Frodo. Galadriel left Valinor(The Undying Lands) for a reason - and it was different from most of the other elves. She wasn’t with her uncle Fëanor, who wished to make war against Morgoth and retrieve the Silmarils - she was not wishing to go to war, and had no interest in the Silmarils in which Melkor stole from Fëanor which was the surviving light of the two trees of Valinor within them that the only Fëanor; the master of all elven smiths could have accomplished but it could not be done a second time as is any pure creation of one’s heart, especially in regards to the elves and Valar alike. Though she traveled with her other uncle, Fingolfin, her goals were not aligned completely with his either despite her full support of her noble and regal uncle Fingolfin in general. - They both wished to keep an eye on Fëanor and make sure the Noldor were in good hands - Galadriel wasn’t interested in Fëanor and wanted her own realm. After spending some time in Doriath, Galadriel and her husband Celeborn passed to the east out of Beleriand and passed eastward through Eriador and over the Misty Mountains; to where she founded her own realm in what became renamed as Lothlórien. Her motivation and goal was to preserve her realm, possibly at any means necessary. With Sauron’s return in the Third Age, Galadriel was forced to ask herself how far she would go to preserve her realm. If Frodo failed, she must forsake her own ring & her realm. If he succeeds, her ring will lose power and her realm will fade. Would she seize the ring, taking Sauron’s power for her own, to save her realm? She decided she would not. She had decided to “test” the Fellowship, to find some flaw that would allow her to justify seizing the ring, and she did find a flaw - in herself. She stated to Frodo, that by telling her that he would offer her the ring if she asked, that she had come to test his heart, but found that he was testing hers. She had a change of heart, she would pass into the West, and remain Galadriel. Which one is better? Being born completely good and living your whole life without any (chance) evil could sprout within her (impossible), or having a character growth ?
Galadriel’s Gift To Gimli part 2 - I’ve looked at many sources, she’s anywhere from 17,000-20,000 elf-years old. 8,000 seems too young as it would make her close in age to Elrond, who I know is much younger than her even though he’s 6000-8000 by the third age, which wouldn’t make sense for her at all even if she was (“690 elf-years older” as some kept repeating on the internet making 6960!)As she was around long before Elrond was even born and time was experience differently to say the LEAST as there is a lot to go into on that subject lol.) She was born during the Years of the Trees & back then the years were something like 9X longer than a solar year so I understand the math is hard, especially since she isn’t given an exact birth year. But it is said that Finarfin, her father, was born in Y.T. 1230, so I would assume she was born sometime within 1000 years of then (being generous). Basically, I’m wondering what the most accurate range is for her age during the events of Lord of the Rings. I’ll also add that Galadriel is was around before the ents even existed (of which Treebeard is 15,000 years old so she’s OLDER than Treebeard/Fangorn) or very close to when they were “created” by Yavannah and probably had much knowledge to do with such things and or direct knowledge of what happened. Probably through an early prototype of her mirror or simply another dream that made her long for middle earth all over again ontop of the yearning she already had to go there and explore. Nothing to do with Fëanor’s oath and all that jazz. (So by this current era in HUMAN solar years she’s like. 150,000 to 180,000 years old. Now that makes more sense if she’s going to be older than the sun and moon. Tolkien was always reiterating his manuscripts with the growing scientific discoveries.) though Treebeard/Fangorn in the deeper writings is older than Galadriel as he was one of first brought into life by Yavanna to help protect nature while it was put into enhanced hibernation by Yavanna to protect them from Morgoth’s Ring (the poisoning of the world itself which caused it to bleed its magic away over the ages called The Long Defeat by the elves.) Just going from the Appendices (and maybe Silmarillion) she would have to be at least 9000+ years older than Elrond, Elrond was born near the end of the First Age, Galadriel was adult before the destruction of the Trees. Actually, more than that: I just checked, and the Second Age ended in SA 3441. So an elf born literally at the end of the First Age (FA 590) is 3441+3018 = 6459 years old when Frodo leaves for Rivendell. Elrond was born in FA 532, so adds 58 years to get 6517. Elves are mature at 100, so Galadriel adds at leas 632 to Elrond's age, to be at least 7149, and possibly quite a bit more (as attested by other comments.) One fic had Maglor(Elrond’s Adoptive Father, Maedhros was also adoptive father alongside Maglor, they were the eldest sons of Fëanor) - One fic had as much older than Galadriel; I wondered how we knew, and it was pointed out to me that Maglor was the second oldest son of the first son of Finwë, while Galadriel is the youngest child of the third son of Finwë. So, yeah. Note that the second age was the LONGEST & again time was experienced very differently back then too aside from the internal clock of elves working very differently, she’s definitely older as far as the world and the other beings that age far faster around her. I also remind you all that she’s older than the sun and the moon and witnessed & most likely even helped in the Valar’s crafting what would be the vessels of the last fruit & flower of the two trees of Valinor. She was the most involved with learning everything possible from them and it was stated that she learned all there was to learn from ALL of the Valar that they could teach and she mastered all at a deep level. (Wow hey?) She’s 25th generation from Tata one of the elven forefathers to wake to the stars. Their birth was rather shrouded in mist. Only those of her grandfathers ilk have a chance of knowing the origins a bit better as they are closer to that culture that stemmed from the beginning. The Years of the Trees were the second of the three great time periods in Arda that followed the Years of the Lamps and preceded the Years of the Sun&Moon. They were known to be comprised of several Ages and lasted in total around 1500 Valian Years or 14,373 solar years. Time flowed differently back then and time flowed differently within them too for the elves live as long as the world does. Epic hey?❤❤ The Dúnedain said that Galadriel’s height was two rangar, or "man-high" - some 6 feet 4 inches (193 cm). However, Galadriel's most striking feature was her beautiful long silver-golden hair. The Elves of Tirion said it captured the radiance of the Two Trees Laurelin and Telperion themselves. Galadriel was said to be the tallest female in Middle Earth, at 6'4”. But then Thingol was the tallest elf ever to live, and he's estimated to be almost 9' (274 cm) Thingol was also a very very prominent figure within the Silmarillion and other books. He’s the great ancestor of Elrond+Arwen and through Aragorn being directly but distantly related to Elronds Twin Brother Elros it makes him loosely connected to Thingol as well. Let’s just say he died a tragic death long long ago. In a continent that doesn’t exist anymore. The events I spoke of in my earlier story of Elrond about his fathers deeds, which lead to the Valar helping with putting a Stop to Morgoth for good so to say and that War Of Wrath lasted 80 years straight and it left the landmass torn asunder from the clash of gods and the holy host of Vanyar elves that were closest to the Valar than all other elves so you can imagine what a bunch of mighty elves men and Maiar fighting a bunch of fowl creatures and beings for 80 years would do to a continent. It all fell into the sea. Galadriel barely made it over the mountain before that part of the story officially broke out.
Hello. I enjoyed your reaction, thanks. Some stuff I thought might help your understanding of this. This is the film of the 1937 novel. THE high fantasy novel. Its unsurprising that it gives you the themes and style you expect, that'd be because every other high fantasy since (and there weren't many before) has been copied, inspired by or outright stolen from the author Tolkien. For a long time it was believed that no-one would ever be able to make a film of it, and though others have tried (animated), Peter Jackson's version here was a great leap forward towards it. The book IS worth reading, especially if its characters you loved, because, as film has limited time and ways to communicate EVERYTHING, you never get to dig the character depths you're looking for. Simple things like - the birthday party was big, because it wasn't just Bilbos 111th, it was also Frodos 33rd (A special 'coming of age' hobbit thing) Or complicated: Gimli was gifted with three strands of Galadrials hair, when millennia earlier she has thrice denied the request to a King ( who has a whole story arc of his own) Tolkien was.... Well.... Possibly a bit of a weirdo ....I guess this is another way of saying artistic genius. He created detailed maps if his world....FULL languages! History that went back millennia. Please try to find a connection to this, because, I do agree... If you can't connect to lotr, you never will connect to any fantasy and I'd see that as a shame to anyone's life. But heh, I guess I can't really find the appeal in Picassos art. Each to their own. What bugs me, is that of almost ANY film regardless of genre, there is more character depth in this. I can't think of a single named character who doesn't go through at least a minimal developmental arc. (well maybe Haleth (son of hama, who turns up briefly in the next film) Anyway, looking forward to seeing any future reactions.
Someone who actually listens and interprets correctly to what is said, rather than talking over everything and missing things and then guessing. However, yet another from this generation who are amazed at Gandalf’s reaction to Pippin when he lets the corpse and bucket fall down the well. Is this how young people react when told off? When I was his age, and younger, I was routinely told off in no uncertain terms, and often sarcastically, but it was what it was and we didn’t curl up and die but took in on board, learnt and strengthened from it. Frodo is the one who is attacked by evil creatures because he has the ring and they are attracted to it. Strands of hair have great significance and are not weird! Firstly, in the past knights took strands of their loved one’s hair with them when going to war, often made into a brooch or similar. Secondly, the asking of strands from Galadriel had great historical significance from thousands of years beforehand. Overall a great reaction! Thank you. Looking forward to the next one.
Before cameras, before modern paints (old paints were NOT that easy to come by/make ) either a lock of hair, or something made from your loved ones hair could help give you a physical / mental reassurance of your relationship. Sounds wierd, but when travel could take days/ weeks / months / years, having something this personal meant a lot
I disagree. I almost gave up when he misinterpreted the Woodelves. Frodo /Sam clearly said they’re Woodland Elves headed to the shores & he says immediately afterwards- “are they ghosts?” Not listening or interpreting well. He’s the kind of viewer that needs everything spelled out to him, nothing can be implied or emoted onscreen because he won’t get it.
@@Taewills well, I can't agree. You haven’t listened to his comments during the film. Oh, and they didn’t say “Woodland Elves”, they said ”wood elves”, so we can all get things wrong sometimes.
@ I obviously watched the entire video otherwise I wouldn’t have challenged your perception on his take. But my phone correcting Woodland elves from woodelves (which I also used in my comment) is very different from calling woodelves completely different beings that aren’t even phonetically similar after being explained what they are. How is that interpreting info correctly? Despite listening intently too as you claim.
J.R.R Tolkien (OG of all Authors) was a veteran of the First World War & other battles such as The Battle Of Somme etc. his works of art were to give back to the England as a form of restoring lost mythologies that he himself was a master of since he was a top professor of philology at Oxford. He did ALOT of his writing while in the trenches during WWI during small “breaks” while down in those trench forts built into the ground. And while he eldest son was in the Second World War; his Lord Of The Rings writings was strictly created above all else to give his eldest something to read while stationed wherever he was stationed. I forgot that part. They sent letters back and forth about it all the time. He was also the one and only son that actually protected his fathers legacy and work. A lot of his other work were put together BY his son after his father passed away. It’s well worth to react to the documentary behind the scenes film the director and crew and cast created together as well as the interview with the son Christopher Tolkien who you get to sort of enjoy a nice indoor and outdoor chat for like what came to about 1-2 hours of wonderful footage from an era that really must not be forgotten. His work shed a light on things like The Finnish Kalevala, Norwegian Elder Edda, The Welsh Mabinogion, The Norwegian Nibelungen, The Indian Bhagvagita & Several Irish Folklore + other Cultural things! The man also restored and translated ancient relics for the governments as one everyone trusted. Much of what’s in our dictionary come from his efforts as well. Anytime he spoke & even posted several comments into the paper as an editorial or response to certain issues as a very involved man for the world and the environment everyone turned their head to listen to him as everyone knew his worth and respected him greatly. His works show how NOT to glorify war; shows in the films if you pay close attention while watching the next films. Sharing what you know now via the after thoughts at the end of the second film! Remember. Extended edition. There is a lot missed out on especially in the second movie regarding Boromir backstory which there is much more in the books but the films WANTED to keep more but the cinemas and Harvey Weinstein literally harangued him into making a “theatrical cut” which is why you have two versions. The real version and the “theatrical cut”. It was all to make more money for the company that is the theatres/cinemas. To get more showings in per day during the year. And believe me. People were camping outside and travelling the country to watch it MORE THAN ONCE. His creations literally lead to inspiring the most currently famous books games & movies we all literally wouldn’t have enjoyed and be touched to our souls core without him and his spiritually connected brilliance. That and he was a philologist professor at Oxford first and foremost which covers so many things. Not just linguistic. The man was a true genius and Jack of all trades but ultimately LOVED the simple life. The inspiration for Lord of the Rings was not any war, but author J.R.R. Tolkien's love of language. Especially Welsh, Finnish and Old English. He lamented the loss of any true English folklore, that was wiped out after the Norman invasion of 1066, so Tolkien wrote many books on these new "legends" he came up with himself. Much of which is centered around three languages he fully developed himself. Two Elven languages and Dwarvish., Númenorean Adúnaic, Black Speech(warped Numenorean and elvish) They all have syntax, vocabularies, and a whole writing system that can be learned as the Tengwar alphabet is moreso to match with the spoken elvish rather than one to one for other country’s alphabet. Hundreds of people worldwide speak elvish fluently. Tolkien did draw upon his personal experience in the trenches of World War ONE, not Two, as inspiration for some parts, most notably, the Dead Marshes that Frodo and Sam and Gollum pass through in The Two Towers. But war was not the inspiration for the entire series. World Of Warcraft. Elder Scrolls, Oblivion, Elden Ring, Skyrim, Harry Potter, Diablo, Zelda, D&D, especially Warhammer + DragonLance and so forth wouldn’t have. Existed without taking giant inspiration from and or completely ripping off from Tolkien. Many great documentaries to react to about him also more about him and AWESOME stuff from the hours & hours of behind the scenes documentaries from the DVDs of the movies which are also on TH-cam & I can send you a playlist to react to from top to bottom on the channel called Pajasek99, FlowState reactions is already posting stuff from the awesome documentaries/BTS content! (I’ll add the extended version of this in your next upload. Please make them at least 2 to 3 parts.)
Shrug, most people (everyone) think that the characters and their actors are two of the many A+s that make these movies A+++. Maybe you'll come around.
@@Makkaru112The first movie introduces the Shire and hobbits, four (plus Bilbo) of whom were flushed out further, and might play a part in the rest of the story. Also two elf realms, and the rulers thereof, and a ruined dwarf realm that Gimli's cousin briefly ruled. There are also two men, Boromir of Gondor, and Aragorn, both of whom are supposed to be a little vague at this point, because we haven't interacted with the world of men yet. The purpose of "Fellowship" was to build the world, and it did a fine job of providing a rock solid foundation to build on. As far as the actors... it's just hard to imagine someone else playing any of the characters as well. A lot of them were second choices, and the first choices are almost comical in hindsight. The actors all nail their parts throughout all three movies. Also, you might be giving too much attention to Frodo's courage in leaving the fellowship to go to Mordor alone. His real courage was in taking the ring in the first place in Rivendell. He didn't need to do that. Even bringing the ring to Rivendell, and taking a demonic wound in the process, is far more than can be expected of a hobbit.
Im glad you are getting to watch LOTR. I wasn't sold on the first movie either, especially since it ends on a low. Im glad you're panning to see the rest already.
“I shall NOT be Dark. (All evil) will despair”, The elves (Galadriel especially is one of the few remaining that existed before the sun & moon. They pre-existed day & night.) How utterly, completely terrifying do you think it would be for your whole world to irrevocably change in a matter of an hour? For the thousands of years of (what you would come to know as twilight to be abruptly ended in a profundity of genuinely painful light and an infinity of colour? Of the joy, wonder and terror of distinguishing the difference between green and blue for the very first time in your whole life?) She is talking about the immediate, majestic sublimity of reality that one experiences in it's totality for the very first time. How on earth could that not be so terrifying as to threaten one's sanity? Galadriel with the ring would be exactly as beautiful and horrifying. I personally would not know whether to weep bitterly and perfectly, or claw my eyes out through the sheer, unutterable terror of her being in such a circumstance. But know this: she was showing Frodo what would happen if someone else got the ring. She wasn’t tempted at all. Gandalf tells. Galadriel shows. See the difference now. Two sides of the same coin. Both were needed. (But yes there was a more fluid beauty full of colour before the rise of the sun. Her uncle, Fingolfin, whilst in middle earth beheld the first rising of the sun and to see this wide field before him in even more definition than before while he was in Middle Earth. This was also the beginning of the dominion of men.) - • “Beautiful & Terrible as the dawn” Galadriel was quite correct to call the morning and night both “beautiful and terrible…”. In truth the physical and metaphysical natures of morning and night were both by turns beautiful and terrible. First the morning. Physically the morning is the result of the golden fruit of Laurëlin, transformed into a vessel by Aulë’s craftsmen, hallowed by Varda and piloted by the fiery Maiarin spirit Arien. The sun was so terrifyingly powerful that its radiance instilled fear even into Melkor’s heart and defied the assault of his minions. She literally gave up her physical form to take her original form and enveloped the sun; becoming its flames we see today. Physically the sun is a beautiful golden orb yet it is simultaneously terrifying in its intensity and cannot be observed directly for more than an instant without pain. Metaphysically the morning is beautiful because it diminishes the evil power of those creatures who haunt the night, gives strength to the righteous and because it illuminates the serene loveliness of Valinor and Middle-earth. Metaphysically the morning is terrible because it obscures the light of the stars and sheds light on the ugly reality of Arda Marred, whose very substance is corrupted by the power of Melkor. Last the night. The night is the Void surrounding the globe of Arda, which existed even before the creation of the Ainur at the beginning of time itself. Physically the beauty of the night lies in the fact . Physically the terror of the night is that it conceals the beauty of Arda and limits the senses of the elves and gives strength to the creatures of evil such as orcs, trolls and the Ringwraiths. Metaphysically the night is beautiful because it is during the hours of darkness that the stars of Varda, the most beloved creations for the elves, shine most brightly. Metaphysically the terror of the night for elves, who are irretrievably bound to the world of Arda, is that the Void represents the interstellar coldness which is the prison of Morgoth. Terrible in its more original archaic form didn’t always mean “bad” (the sun stuff was to move it into a place where Melkor couldn’t go by virtue of how the Valar and Maiar are bound to the world until it’s ending; (which isn’t the true end either. It’s deep stuff. There ends up another song of creation which all kindreds take part in and working with the powers of that long ago past of our world to rebuild everything. Even the Mountains too, healing it after Dagor Dagorath, Also known as the final battle, the worlds ending. Becoming the greater version of the original form before Melkor’s discord into the first music and so forth which dictated eventually what all ended up ensuing when they entered the world the first time which also was interesting because when they entered it after seeing the complete version it hadn’t been done yet so that was millions of years of work which lead to Middle Earth and the other lands being the remnants of it. Including Valinor being the only remnant of an even older world. At that time of building and tending to the world when the world was young.)
First of all, this is basically one 11 hour movie divided into 3 chapters for practicality of theater viewers. I have to disagree with many of your observations. Most of what I see in the first movie is character driven, with some character arc already occuring in it. I also saw tons of diversity between the various races and characters and their goals. You locked into your negative view of "high fantasy" and that is all you looked for. You spent so much time in intellectual analysis of your own assumtpions and prejudices that you could not allow yourself to get immersed in the story, nor allow yourself to feel emotions. My hope is that when you finish the 11 hour story, you will have allowed yourself to appreciate the story (perhaps love the story)mand the characters, instead of ianalytically diminishing it all. I do await your reaction to The Two Towers 2nd chapter with a hope that you permit yourself to enjoy it. Granted, not everyone loves LOTR, so you are entitled to your opinions for sure.
You are brave to criticize one of the most critically acclaimed movies; but this was based on the novel that has sold over 150 million copies and is The Godfather of all modern and post fantasy such as Harry Potter. Keep in mind the third move wins Oscar for best picture. Fantasy rarely gets nominated for best picture let alone win. You forgot the musical score, excellent direction, and beautiful sets/scenes.
The bleakness of the movies is reflected by the authors personal experience in World War One. It has been said that certain aspects like elves, hobbits, humans, dwarfs etc represent different countries peoples.
@@jjjones8609the elves represent the faefolk and his mission to revive ancient knowledge and restore the Anglo Saxon culture and languages as he openly stated his sadness of what happened when the Normans decimated them and planted a good olllld church upon its lands…
@ The guy whose video I’m commenting on. 😂 I’ve seen countless reactions, don’t know if I’ve seen them all but it’s a lot. This is the first one I’ve seen to guess the answer!
I don't really understand your review. As far as fans are concerned, we all had a first time experience with it, some with the book, some with the film. None of us, for instance, knew that the elf rope Sam got would turn out to be a lifesaver. That's the point of building a story. Your opinion, at this stage of viewing, is meaningless.
The rope was just an analogy to how I was feeling. I understand in a story not all answers are given right away. I felt like the first movie, while its purpose is to setup many of the story elements, could have done better in the build up. For example, I didn't truly feel the consequences of Sauron's return in the first movie---we did see a glimpse of his strength in the prologue, but otherwise it seems like most of his strength lies in the number of orcs, rather than Sauron himself. Saruman was the most interesting villain, and even he wasn't very complex either---at least from what was presented in the movie
It is a bit out of my comfort zone for sure, but I'm still very intrigued! I think also the first watch was a bit hard because I was scrambling to keep track of all the characters and understand their motivations. I can see it being easier to digest on a second watch! There were definitely extra moments I picked up on during editing as well
@@FNBV1990if he can even find the proper extended that shows the elvish language translations. There’s a handsome arab guy who binged all three in one video of three hours and when he got to all those juicy elvish scenes he couldn’t see any of them. Even all of the Arwen Aragorn scenes from all movies. Horrid. He was saaad. He never spoke to us between movies. Now he must Wallow in not knowing what anyone said during his first watch lol
@@JaeReviews Well, if you thought there were too many characters in the first movie, be warned. There are a bunch of new characters in the second movie. A whole new kingdom and new creatures, too.
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My favorite moments in this first movie (let me know yours!):
3. Sam swims after Frodo and accompanies him to Mordor
2. Boromir's redemption and death
1. Bilbo's apology to Frodo in Rivendell
In the book Sam Got a Box of dirt and a seed. Which was very important in the end.
@@philipbutler6608 replaced the new party tree that was destroyed by sacking of the shire which was never in the movies. Neither! And that tree was from Lothlórien! Mallorn Tree and after everything was the only Mallorn tree besides VALINOR to be in middle earth. Piece of Valinor within the shire and her watch over the hobbits there!
So Galadriel often wondered if she could resist the power and temptation of the one ring, if ever offered. If she accepted, she knew she would be powerful beyond measure, so what she was describing when she was freaking out was what would happen if she were to take the ring. She said she passed the test, meaning she was able to maintain her free will and refuse the ring. She said she will go into the West, as all the elves are preparing to leave and go overseas. More details on that later :)
You’ll enjoy my Galadriel comments then!
You asked about time passing. Bilbo's birthday was September 22 (Frodo shares the same birthday; Bilbo was 111 and Frodo 33). 17 years later Frodo leaves Bag End and starts his adventure on September 23 (just after his 50th birthday). Frodo wakes up in Rivendell and Gandalf tells him it is October 24. The Fellowship leaves Rivendell on December 25. The Fellowship breaks apart on February 26.
In Tolkiens era, hair was a common gift for someone you may never see again.
Especially lovers. Aegnor and Andreth did this
Especially in the days before photography, the gift of a lock of hair was indicative of genuine affection and love.
It's deeper than that with Galadriel, in the first age an Elf named Feanor (turned out to be an asshole supreme) request a hair from her three times, she refused all three. He'd wanted to set her hair in a jewel, but she saw the evil in his heart. Gimli asked once with a pure heart, she gave him three.
@@rppdfire @ He’s not an asshole. That’s truly a base level opinion that she one delves into it more. He’s more like Anakin Skywalker! Not to mention is the first to shun Melkor in Valinor. The silmarils were due to a vision of the darkening of Valinor so he stored the light and power of the primordial two trees into these imperishable crystals! He also went to middle earth to help his ancestors that the Valar wouldn’t help in centuries. Who were ravaged by Morgoth. Morgoth still fears him and his seven sons the most over anyone else to this day.
@@Makkaru112 It's a short synopsis of the story, and as far as my opinion of his character, it's mine and I stand by it.
For someone, who is not into High Fantasy, it´s a fair score i think. It´s a lot of world building especially in the first movie (It´s my favorite though :D)
It would be interesting to know, if you change the score of 6.8 after you have watched all three movies. They are really a complete package. All movies elevate each other into one beautiful, fantastic story.
Frodos always getting attacked because the ring draws them instinctually.
hey man
really liked your reaction. i generally think that the first movie tends to land less with people at the first watch, cause people need some time to get used to characters/the world and then the second and third people are used to the world and the story gets across better.
Anyway, loved your reaction and looking foward to the next one
Interesting, because the first time I saw Fellowship, I didn’t love it either, but now having watched the trilogy many times, it’s my favorite. And remember, all three movies are really one book, one story, so you just watched the first third of a story.
Judging by your visceral reactions, you may have been more into it than your analysis would suggest. But I appreciate that you have approached these iconic films a little differently than I am accustomed to seeing. You're right about Gollum being a chaotic character. He will shake things up for sure! Looking forward to your reaction to The Two Towers.
In the moment, the emotions run wild!
But afterwards I always take a breather to process everything before coming to a conclusion
I promise I don't low-ball the review just to cause drama 😭
Frodo runs away because he's afraid of what the ring will do to his friends.
You just can’t have payoff and complete arcs and instant gratification. Things that you don’t understand just need patience, and a willingness to let the story unfold.
6.8 is wild, but everyone is different. It’s important to view the whole trilogy as one story, that’s why this doesn’t feel like a complete story by itself.
It’s split into three just like Tolkiens original time of Lord Of The Rings got hacked up into three but it was done well. At least some of us don’t have to read the particular versions where each book is split into two or three each lol
While it's referred to as the "Mines of Moria," it was actually an entire kingdom before falling into ruin, so depending where you are, books aren't really out of place.
"Why was [Frodo] so dramatic?" He had the wind knocked out of him and while he didn't receive any major wounds, it would have still caused a lot of pain. It would be similar to someone wearing good body armor getting shot. They may not have a gunshot wound, but the kinetic impact of the bullet still causes a lot of pain.
The Balrog needs a flaming sword and whip because it looks badass. 😆 Even Balrogs want to look cool, after all.
Elves are the closest race to the divine in Middle Earth (they came from the Undying Lands, kind of like the Heaven of Middle Earth. That's why they often seem ethereal to the mere mortals around them.
In the books, Boromir is given a golden belt woven in the shape of linked leaves. Some of the other gifts are changed from the book to the movie as well.
"Missing that chaotic character right now."
Pippin: Am I a joke to you?
JK, I get what you were saying there. 😉
Galadriel's gift to Gimli has deeper meaning. She’s one of the 2-3 most powerful & wise elves remaining in Middle Earth since the time the land was young. She was born in a place called Valinor, or the Undying land... which is basically the place of residence of the Valar, the local pantheon, the local "gods" as you may call them. (Essentially the land that be untouched by Morgoth and where the holy ones still yet reside.)
Back then, the world was not illuminated by the sun&moon, (only the stars, but rather by 2 trees of gold and silver, Telperion and Laurëlin that lit the world before the sun & moon were born from their last flower & fruit as they were basically killed by Melkor when he struck them with his Lance and Ungoliant the primordial Eldrich Terror vampirized the life force of the two trees. Ungoliant she was named by the Eldar/Elves).
It is said that Galadriel's hair had enmeshed some of the shine and power of those two trees within her tresses. Her uncle Fëanor, who was a great king of the Elven people after his father Finwë was slain by Morgoth(Formally known as Melkor).
Fëanor arguably was their greatest craftsman & warrior to ever live (besides the father of his wife Nerdanel who mentored him since he was born), asked if she could give him a lock of hair, so that he could use it to fashion 3 gems that would shine of the same light as the trees. Sensing his pride & a shadow that wasn’t exactly belonging to him brewing from within, she refused his request 3 times. He stopped asking and made the gems anyway, managing to complete the task he had set for himself even without her hair.
Around these 3 gems, the possession of which became the driving force for many of the great events in the world, entire wars that lasted for centuries exploded, and other events. The gems actively shaped the fate of the races of middle earth to the point that the aforementioned Valar got involved directly. During these times, events surrounding the gems brought about the traditional enmity between Dwarves and Elves... the same enmity that Gimli still feels towards them.
That enmity however does not survive his encounter with the wise Galadriel, whom Gimli basically falls platonically in love with. By giving him 3 of her hair, Galadriel is opening a door, offering an olive branch that might one day close the gap that divides these two races. Legolas, himself being an Elven prince and centuries old, knows of the story through his father Thranduil & grandfather Oropher, as it shaped the lives of all Elves, and his subtle smile is possibly the first act of acknowledgment and reconciliation.
it is also a way for Peter Jackson, the director of the film, to give a nod to all of the fans who know these facts and backstories... a way to make us feel seen, and to make us appreciate just how deeply the makers of the film respect the books and larger universe created by Tolkien.
The thing with the hair may seem weird, but there is a significance to it in real life as well as in the lore of the story. In real life, it was not uncommon for wives, fiancés, or even girlfriends to give their men (who were going off to war), a lock of their hair as a keepsake, particularly in WWI, which Tolkien fought in.
The lore part of it comes into play in The Silmarillion, Tolkien's tales of the creation of Arda, the Undying Lands of Valinor, and Middle Earth. Galadriel is many, many thousands of years old, & was born in Valinor before the sun & moon were even created.
At the time, the world was lit by two trees, one gold and one silver which would shine at different times from each other, but would shine together once a day when one would fade and the other brighten. Galadriel's hair was said to look like the light of the mingled light from the two trees, which may have inspired Feanor, a master craftsman and heir to the high king of the Ñoldor, to craft the Silmaril's which were three jewels that captured the light of the two trees, one golden light, one silver light, & one co-mingled light.
Fëanor had a bit of a thing for Galadriel and begged her for her hair three different times, which she rejected because she could perceive the inner darkness of his heart and rejected him, which made them "un-friends" after that. There is a lot more to the lore than that, so this is the super crib-notes version.
But the point is, it was VERY significant that she granted Gimli three of her hairs to a dwarf, when she would not to the son of her king (great uncle) over 20,000 thousand years ago of which she is related to all three kings who were brothers and Elu Thingol of Doriath was one of the brothers that didn’t stay in Valinor even though he was one of the elven ambassadors along with his three brothers and that king I mentioned was VERY close friends with Elu Thingol.)
Fellowship is mostly setup. Though there are three movies, it’s one big story! The character development is coming my friend. Enjoyed your reaction… and looking forward to your thoughts at the end.
Galadriel passed the test in that she had desired the ring being the most powerful elf in Middle Earth, and she did not take the ring though tempted. She is an elf queen and she will leave Middle Earth after having been there for about 8,000 years.
She never needed any rings to read the mind of Sauron without him knowing! And he could never read hers be it point blank or from afar. Long before he depleted his power into making the ring and pouring himself into it… she’s way older. As we cannot count Solar years
She actually never accepts being called a queen. Nor does she ever wish to be one 😊
One of the better reactions and assessments from someone who is new to this and unaware of the world and tolkien's entire legendarium. Well, done. You will enjoy the rest a lot.
You have much to learns. Some of what you are looking for is developed in the next two parts of the trilogy. However, as rich as this series is, you must read both "The Hobbit" and "The Lord of the Rings". All is explained with regard to this part of the long history and incredibly detailed lore of Middle Earth. Even more history is in "The Silmarillion" and other books by Tolkien. Some of his writings are not that easy to read, but so rich and wonderful!
You would appreciate some scenes more if you knew the lore behind them. About Galadriel for example, you wondered about Elrond's age who watched Isildur claim the Ring 3000 years ago. Galadriel is much, much older. She's from one of the first generations of elves who lived with the Valar (the Gods basically) at Valinor. Her hair was said to rival in beauty the light of the Two Trees which were the light of the world before the Sun and the Moon were created. So, having Galadriel's hair is like possessing the primordial light of the world.
Like Gandalf, Galadriel is tempted by the One Ring. Her test was resisting its power. If she took the Ring out of her desire to do Good, it would transform her into a terrible Queen who would probably remake Middle Earth for the superior race of elves and eliminate all other races.
Thanks for the info!
It is definitely hard to fit everything into one movie, so I can understand if info from the books are cut
Galadriel's temptation and eventual remorse just felt a bit too sudden as a first time watcher. Hopefully we see more of her and the others in movie 2 and 3!
@@JaeReviewsshe was never tempted in the books
...Yes, she was? I'm unsure if you mean something deeper here?
@@Makkaru112 what are you talking about? This scene is almost cut and pasted from the book.
Contrary to your initial assessment, I would argue that The Lord of the Rings is almost entirely character-driven. Each of the individual characters - and there are still some important ones to come - undergoes extensive development. What I find remarkable is your comment that you would like to see more conflict between the individual members of the Fellowship. That reminds me of how today's movies tend to be put together as if the individual protagonists had come out of a mental institution. The members of this group are trying to save their world and they are facing the ultimate evil. They all know that if they fail, it will mean the end of their world and everything they love. Cohesion is the only thing that can give them the strength to complete their almost impossible task. And they all take part in significant character developments. A few notes: Elves are immortal and Galadriel, at around 8000 years old, is one of the oldest. The five wizards are angelic beings, sent to Middle-earth to help in the fight against evil. And about the timeline: the journey takes just over a year. Sometimes that doesn't come across in the movie.
When the fellowship was put together, I was expecting some more infighting due to their biases, and the only thing keeping them together was their duty to deliver the ring. Most of this was shown through Boromir, but I wish the others showcased their differences more---so we can compare how the different races approach the same problem. Also, I should give more credit to Frodo's character for deciding to abandon the fellowship because he sees what the ring is doing to them. I said in the video he was "forced to" but really it was his own decision, and a difficult one at that
@@JaeReviewsthat’s done in spades in the book
You’ll love the full scene with Frodo+Sam &Galadriel the great Peter Jackson & team didn’t seem to include.. which all this little stuff lead to that scene in the movies which gave it more meaning; & the”one who has seen the eye” thing was a mistake by the team. It gave the wrong message and was not needed as it lead some reactors to be like “so creepy lol” which diminishes how much farther that well done scene could have gone especially in the extended to do it properly as in the books that lays it out perfectly. •[Frodo] stepped back shaking all over & looked at the Lady. “I know what it was that you last saw”, she said; 'for that is also in my mind. Do not be afraid! But do not think that only by singing amid the trees, nor even by the slender arrows of elven-bows, is this land of Lothlórien maintained and defended against its Enemy. I say to you, Frodo, that even as I speak to you, I perceive the Dark Lord and know his mind, or all of his mind that concerns the Elves. And he gropes ever to see me and my thought. But still the door is closed!'
She lifted up her white arms, and spread out her hands towards the East in a gesture of rejection and denial. Eärendil, the Evening Star, most beloved of the Elves, shone clear above. So bright was it that the figure of the Elven-lady cast a dim shadow on the ground. Its rays glanced upon a ring about her finger; it glittered like polished gold overlaid with silver light, and a white stone in it twinkled as if the Evenstar had come down to rest upon her hand. Frodo gazed at the ring with awe; for suddenly it seemed to him that he understood.
'Yes,' she said, divining his thought, 'it is not permitted to speak of it, and Elrond could not do so. But it cannot be hidden from the Ring-bearer, and one who has seen the Eye. Verily it is in the land of Lórien upon the finger of Galadriel that one of the Three remains. This is Nenya, the Ring of Adamant, and I am its keeper.
'He suspects, but he does not know - not yet. Do you not see now wherefore your coming is to us as the footstep of Doom? For if you fail, then we are laid bare to the Enemy. Yet if you succeed, then our power is diminished, and Lothlórien will fade, and the tides of Time will sweep it away. We must depart into the West, or dwindle to a rustic folk of dell and cave, slowly to forget and to be forgotten.'
Frodo bent his head. 'And what do you wish?' he said at last.
'That what should be shall be,' she answered. 'The love of the Elves for their land and their works is deeper than the deeps of the Sea, and their regret is undying and cannot ever wholly be assuaged. Yet they will cast all away rather than submit to Sauron: for they know him now. For the fate of Lothlórien you are not answerable but only for the doing of your own task. Yet I could wish, were it of any avail, that the One Ring had never been wrought, or had remained for ever lost.'
'You are wise and fearless and fair, Lady Galadriel,' said Frodo. 'I will give you the One Ring, if you ask for it. It is too great a matter for me.'
Galadriel laughed with a sudden clear laugh. 'Wise the Lady Galadriel may be,' she said, 'yet here she has met her match in courtesy. Gently are you revenged for my testing of your heart at our first meeting. You begin to see with a keen eye. I do not deny that my heart has greatly desired to ask what you offer. For many long years I had pondered what I might do, should the Great Ring come into my hands, and behold! it was brought within my grasp. The evil that was devised long ago works on in many ways, whether Sauron himself stands or falls. Would not that have been a noble deed to set to the credit of his Ring, if I had taken it by force or fear from my guest?
'And now at last it comes. You will give me the Ring freely! In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!'
She lifted up her hand and from the ring that she wore there issued a great light that illuminated her alone and left all else dark. She stood before Frodo seeming now tall beyond measurement, and beautiful beyond enduring, terrible and worshipful. Then she let her hand fall, and the light faded, and suddenly she laughed again, and lo! she was shrunken: a slender elf-woman, clad in simple white, whose gentle voice was soft and sad.
'I pass the test,' she said. 'I will diminish, and go into the West and remain Galadriel.'
They stood for a long while in silence. At length the Lady spoke again. 'Let us return!' she said. 'In the morning you must depart for now we have chosen, and the tides of fate are flowing.'
'I would ask one thing before we go,' said Frodo, 'a thing which I often meant to ask Gandalf in Rivendell. I am permitted to wear the One Ring: why cannot I see all the others and know the thoughts of those that wear them?'
'You have not tried,' she said. 'Only thrice have you set the Ring upon your finger since you knew what you possessed. Do not try! It would destroy you. Did not Gandalf tell you that the rings give power according to the measure of each possessor? Before you could use that power you would need to become far stronger, and to train your will to the domination of others. Yet even so, as Ring-bearer and as one that has borne it on finger and seen that which is hidden, your sight has grown keener. You have perceived my thought more clearly than many that are accounted wise. You saw the Eye of him that holds the Seven and the Nine. And did you not see and recognize the ring upon my finger? Did you see my ring?' she asked turning again to Sam.
'No, Lady,' he answered. 'To tell you the truth, I wondered what you were talking about. I saw a star through your finger. But if you'll pardon my speaking out, I think my master was right. I wish you'd take his Ring. You'd put things to rights. You'd stop them digging up the gaffer and turning him adrift. You'd make some folk pay for their dirty work.'
'I would,' she said. 'That is how it would begin. But it would not stop with that, alas! We will not speak more of it. Let us go!'
When at last all that [Galadriel] had desired in her youth came to her hand, the Ring of Power and the peaceful rule of Middle-earth which she had dreamed... her wisdom was full grown and she rejected it....
Meaning definitely by now it’s become trivial to her. Even back in the day he couldn’t find her or pierce her mind and whenever he went looking for her presence he boils t find her ALL AT THE SAME TIME AS HER BEING ABLE TO READ HIS OWN MIND WITHOUT HIM KNOWING! Often times even from a great distance. That’s power. Just one calm look from her is all it takes to send even the Nazgûl run away from her. They even avoid her realm entirely, opting to travel hundreds of miles around her realm; both because of its own power as well as they know exactly who she is and her exact lineage through themselves being very old. 4000+years old. Especially the WitchKing(head Nazgûl). Remember Númenorean men are not like other average men. They were known to be rather superhuman & very tall. Between 6-8 feet.
“I shall NOT be dark, all EVIL will despair” part 2 - All creatures whose flesh are nourished by the matter of Arda have a tendency towards Melkor AKA Morgoth, for greater or lesser. Due to Melkor pouring his Malignant power into the very existence and essence of the world(Morgoth’s Ring” book explains a lot including how and when he put a portion of his remaining power into the earth itself.
Sure, Galadriel was born in the Undying Lands where there was supposed to be no evil (souls of the Elves are greatly less subject to making faulty decisions), but Galadriel & the rest of her father's kin were directly targeted by the Evil Lord himself. Melkor corrupted a decent portion of the Noldor, basically telling them things along the lines of “My Valarin kin are cooping you all up in Valinor.”, which wasn’t their ancestral homeland to begin with, like Middle Earth was, Some were affected little, most were affected to greater degrees, and Galadriel was the least affected woman by the lies of Melkor, which were “sweet but poisoned honey" as she’d call his words.
Her natural pious tendency towards goodness & kindness as shown by her ability to read the hearts of everyone and all living beings around her which aids her to provide what anyone truly needs. Due to the magic bleeding from the world as the ages went on; thanks to Morgoth’s Ring poisoning the earth long ago; lead to a what if scenario in her mind as she’d be the only living creature left with the skills & power to even use the ring.
She didn’t need her ring at all to block him out of her realm telepathically as well as read his mind from afar without him knowing. But there is a difference between good people who are a bit morally challenged and the evil people.
The evil folk act upon their impulses and unlawful desires, while the good folk overcome such flaws within themselves (and for some not always they can masterfully do this). Galadriel WOULD NEVER listen to Melkor and tread the path of toxic pride and ambition.
Galadriel has a Fëa spirit that’s only grown larger as the ages passed on and on. Enough to channel into an effect that threw down fortress walls, without tiring her at all. And with that much Fëa, she is capable of holding her own against Maiar for a good long while, much like her brother Finrod did against Sauron, or her half uncle Fëanor did against Balrogs, and her full Uncle Fingolfin against Morgoth himself and nearly slayed the physical form of the fallen Vala himself!
Fëanor effectively lost claim to the crown when he dragged his house to Middle Earth. Where he promptly died a heroic death after slaying several Balrogs at the Dagor-nuin-Giliath; The Elves first encountered Lord Of Balrogs named Gothmog in the Dagor-nuin-Giliath; (meaning “the battle fought under stars”) before the first rising of the Moon.
In that battle, Fëanor's fury had caused him to draw forward of the main force of the Noldor, and so he came upon Gothmog with only a small guard left around him that rushed so deep into enemy territory.
Fëanor slayed 2 or 3 balrogs at once & Gothmog slayed him after one bound him suddenly with its primordial flame whip when he was supposed to have an uninterrupted “one on one” duel with Gothmog but one wasn’t wanting to play fair. But he was fatally wounded and so his sons and host moved him away to a safe place where his body burned up from the fires of his own spirit.
Even with a great ring like Nenya, Galadriel had enough of a boost in her Fëa(spirit) , where she could sustain an unassailable magical realm against Maiar and virtually anything on Middle-Earth. Only problem was when Sauron wore the one ring, she had to take off Nenya, and had to lose that Maia level Fëa spirit from the modernly termed “boosted power up”
With the one ring, Galadriel would have such a boost in her Fëa spirit, that she’d literally become stronger than the foundations of the Earth.
She never once is called queen or desires to be called such a thing, she and her husband Celeborn became the wiseman and wisewoman of that realm; after the previous elven lord Amroth died, (how he died is shown in a wonderful song by Tolkien that was brought to life by Brociliande) and his wife Nimrodel disappeared ontop of the fact Amroth’s Successor later died as well in the “Last Alliance” where Amdir died, (same battle shown in the prologue to Fellowship Of The Ring), All Evil Despairs at her presence let alone hearing her name on the wind.
(They even founded Eregion together. she gracefully left after Annatar>Sauron sowed seeds of rebellion against anyone that had any level of lineage connected to the Noldor.)
The Nazgûl themselves avoid her realm every chance they get to the point of choosing to go the long way around for over 100 miles just to avoid her. (So she’s definitely scary to foul entities that have turned away from Eru Îlluvatar the one AllFather.)
She’s a totally good character. Aragorn even says to the Fellowship as they enter Lothlórien, “There is in her and this land no evil, unless a man bring it hither himself. Then let him beware!” If you’re going by her portrayal in the movies, you might think she has an evil element to her character, but that came from Peter Jackson’s portrayal of the addictive, coercive power of the Ring. When Frodo offered her the Ring, it presented her with visions of herself as the all-powerful benevolent Goddess of Middle-Earth.
Luckily, she was smart & intuitive enough to realize that the Ring was totally evil, and despite the best of intentions, it would have turned her evil in the end-but she still would have appeared to be beautiful and good. I don’t agree with Jackson’s “drowned Galadriel” portrayal of her being tempted by the Ring-I think she’d have appeared as a supernatural being of divine beauty, and her regular appearance was close to that already, but how do you show that in a movie? Apparently, in her youth in Valinor, she was somewhat of a rebel, but that’s not necessarily evil.
She certainly could have fallen into the same trap as her uncle Fëanor did, of thinking that everyone was entitled to her opinion-but she kept her ego in check. (If you’re not sure what I’m referring to there; please read The Silmarillion and “Unfinished Tales”.)
No matter how noble her reason was to use the ring as a last resort, especially if said fellowship fell off the “edge of the knife” as she called it. she had a change of heart which happened in the middle of talking to Frodo.
Galadriel left Valinor(The Undying Lands) for a reason - and it was different from most of the other elves.
She wasn’t with her uncle Fëanor, who wished to make war against Morgoth and retrieve the Silmarils - she was not wishing to go to war, and had no interest in the Silmarils in which Melkor stole from Fëanor which was the surviving light of the two trees of Valinor within them that the only Fëanor; the master of all elven smiths could have accomplished but it could not be done a second time as is any pure creation of one’s heart, especially in regards to the elves and Valar alike.
Though she traveled with her other uncle, Fingolfin, her goals were not aligned completely with his either despite her full support of her noble and regal uncle Fingolfin in general.
- They both wished to keep an eye on Fëanor and make sure the Noldor were in good hands -
Galadriel wasn’t interested in Fëanor and wanted her own realm. After spending some time in Doriath, Galadriel and her husband Celeborn passed to the east out of Beleriand and passed eastward through Eriador and over the Misty Mountains; to where she founded her own realm in what became renamed as Lothlórien. Her motivation and goal was to preserve her realm, possibly at any means necessary.
With Sauron’s return in the Third Age, Galadriel was forced to ask herself how far she would go to preserve her realm. If Frodo failed, she must forsake her own ring & her realm. If he succeeds, her ring will lose power and her realm will fade. Would she seize the ring, taking Sauron’s power for her own, to save her realm? She decided she would not. She had decided to “test” the Fellowship, to find some flaw that would allow her to justify seizing the ring, and she did find a flaw - in herself. She stated to Frodo, that by telling her that he would offer her the ring if she asked, that she had come to test his heart, but found that he was testing hers.
She had a change of heart, she would pass into the West, and remain Galadriel.
Which one is better? Being born completely good and living your whole life without any (chance) evil could sprout within her (impossible), or having a character growth ?
Galadriel’s Gift To Gimli part 2 - I’ve looked at many sources, she’s anywhere from 17,000-20,000 elf-years old. 8,000 seems too young as it would make her close in age to Elrond, who I know is much younger than her even though he’s 6000-8000 by the third age, which wouldn’t make sense for her at all even if she was (“690 elf-years older” as some kept repeating on the internet making 6960!)As she was around long before Elrond was even born and time was experience differently to say the LEAST as there is a lot to go into on that subject lol.)
She was born during the Years of the Trees & back then the years were something like 9X longer than a solar year so I understand the math is hard, especially since she isn’t given an exact birth year. But it is said that Finarfin, her father, was born in Y.T. 1230, so I would assume she was born sometime within 1000 years of then (being generous).
Basically, I’m wondering what the most accurate range is for her age during the events of Lord of the Rings.
I’ll also add that Galadriel is was around before the ents even existed (of which Treebeard is 15,000 years old so she’s OLDER than Treebeard/Fangorn) or very close to when they were “created” by Yavannah and probably had much knowledge to do with such things and or direct knowledge of what happened.
Probably through an early prototype of her mirror or simply another dream that made her long for middle earth all over again ontop of the yearning she already had to go there and explore. Nothing to do with Fëanor’s oath and all that jazz.
(So by this current era in HUMAN solar years she’s like. 150,000 to 180,000 years old. Now that makes more sense if she’s going to be older than the sun and moon. Tolkien was always reiterating his manuscripts with the growing scientific discoveries.)
though Treebeard/Fangorn in the deeper writings is older than Galadriel as he was one of first brought into life by Yavanna to help protect nature while it was put into enhanced hibernation by Yavanna to protect them from Morgoth’s Ring (the poisoning of the world itself which caused it to bleed its magic away over the ages called The Long Defeat by the elves.)
Just going from the Appendices (and maybe Silmarillion) she would have to be at least 9000+ years older than Elrond, Elrond was born near the end of the First Age, Galadriel was adult before the destruction of the Trees.
Actually, more than that: I just checked, and the Second Age ended in SA 3441. So an elf born literally at the end of the First Age (FA 590) is 3441+3018 = 6459 years old when Frodo leaves for Rivendell.
Elrond was born in FA 532, so adds 58 years to get 6517. Elves are mature at 100, so Galadriel adds at leas 632 to Elrond's age, to be at least 7149, and possibly quite a bit more (as attested by other comments.)
One fic had Maglor(Elrond’s Adoptive Father, Maedhros was also adoptive father alongside Maglor, they were the eldest sons of Fëanor) - One fic had as much older than Galadriel; I wondered how we knew, and it was pointed out to me that Maglor was the second oldest son of the first son of Finwë, while Galadriel is the youngest child of the third son of Finwë. So, yeah.
Note that the second age was the LONGEST & again time was experienced very differently back then too aside from the internal clock of elves working very differently, she’s definitely older as far as the world and the other beings that age far faster around her.
I also remind you all that she’s older than the sun and the moon and witnessed & most likely even helped in the Valar’s crafting what would be the vessels of the last fruit & flower of the two trees of Valinor.
She was the most involved with learning everything possible from them and it was stated that she learned all there was to learn from ALL of the Valar that they could teach and she mastered all at a deep level. (Wow hey?)
She’s 25th generation from Tata one of the elven forefathers to wake to the stars. Their birth was rather shrouded in mist. Only those of her grandfathers ilk have a chance of knowing the origins a bit better as they are closer to that culture that stemmed from the beginning.
The Years of the Trees were the second of the three great time periods in Arda that followed the Years of the Lamps and preceded the Years of the Sun&Moon. They were known to be comprised of several Ages and lasted in total around 1500 Valian Years or 14,373 solar years.
Time flowed differently back then and time flowed differently within them too for the elves live as long as the world does. Epic hey?❤❤
The Dúnedain said that Galadriel’s height was two rangar, or "man-high" - some 6 feet 4 inches (193 cm). However, Galadriel's most striking feature was her beautiful long silver-golden hair.
The Elves of Tirion said it captured the radiance of the Two Trees Laurelin and Telperion themselves. Galadriel was said to be the tallest female in Middle Earth, at 6'4”. But then Thingol was the tallest elf ever to live, and he's estimated to be almost 9' (274 cm)
Thingol was also a very very prominent figure within the Silmarillion and other books. He’s the great ancestor of Elrond+Arwen and through Aragorn being directly but distantly related to Elronds Twin Brother Elros it makes him loosely connected to Thingol as well. Let’s just say he died a tragic death long long ago.
In a continent that doesn’t exist anymore. The events I spoke of in my earlier story of Elrond about his fathers deeds, which lead to the Valar helping with putting a Stop to Morgoth for good so to say and that War Of Wrath lasted 80 years straight and it left the landmass torn asunder from the clash of gods and the holy host of Vanyar elves that were closest to the Valar than all other elves so you can imagine what a bunch of mighty elves men and Maiar fighting a bunch of fowl creatures and beings for 80 years would do to a continent. It all fell into the sea.
Galadriel barely made it over the mountain before that part of the story officially broke out.
Hello. I enjoyed your reaction, thanks.
Some stuff I thought might help your understanding of this.
This is the film of the 1937 novel.
THE high fantasy novel.
Its unsurprising that it gives you the themes and style you expect, that'd be because every other high fantasy since (and there weren't many before) has been copied, inspired by or outright stolen from the author Tolkien.
For a long time it was believed that no-one would ever be able to make a film of it, and though others have tried (animated), Peter Jackson's version here was a great leap forward towards it.
The book IS worth reading, especially if its characters you loved, because, as film has limited time and ways to communicate EVERYTHING, you never get to dig the character depths you're looking for.
Simple things like - the birthday party was big, because it wasn't just Bilbos 111th, it was also Frodos 33rd (A special 'coming of age' hobbit thing)
Or complicated: Gimli was gifted with three strands of Galadrials hair, when millennia earlier she has thrice denied the request to a King ( who has a whole story arc of his own)
Tolkien was.... Well.... Possibly a bit of a weirdo ....I guess this is another way of saying artistic genius.
He created detailed maps if his world....FULL languages! History that went back millennia.
Please try to find a connection to this, because, I do agree... If you can't connect to lotr, you never will connect to any fantasy and I'd see that as a shame to anyone's life. But heh, I guess I can't really find the appeal in Picassos art. Each to their own.
What bugs me, is that of almost ANY film regardless of genre, there is more character depth in this.
I can't think of a single named character who doesn't go through at least a minimal developmental arc.
(well maybe Haleth (son of hama, who turns up briefly in the next film)
Anyway, looking forward to seeing any future reactions.
This score will increase after you watch the second film. But it will have to be the extended edition. 😉
Someone who actually listens and interprets correctly to what is said, rather than talking over everything and missing things and then guessing. However, yet another from this generation who are amazed at Gandalf’s reaction to Pippin when he lets the corpse and bucket fall down the well. Is this how young people react when told off? When I was his age, and younger, I was routinely told off in no uncertain terms, and often sarcastically, but it was what it was and we didn’t curl up and die but took in on board, learnt and strengthened from it.
Frodo is the one who is attacked by evil creatures because he has the ring and they are attracted to it.
Strands of hair have great significance and are not weird! Firstly, in the past knights took strands of their loved one’s hair with them when going to war, often made into a brooch or similar. Secondly, the asking of strands from Galadriel had great historical significance from thousands of years beforehand.
Overall a great reaction! Thank you. Looking forward to the next one.
Before cameras, before modern paints (old paints were NOT that easy to come by/make ) either a lock of hair, or something made from your loved ones hair could help give you a physical / mental reassurance of your relationship.
Sounds wierd, but when travel could take days/ weeks / months / years, having something this personal meant a lot
I disagree. I almost gave up when he misinterpreted the Woodelves.
Frodo /Sam clearly said they’re Woodland Elves headed to the shores & he says immediately afterwards- “are they ghosts?” Not listening or interpreting well. He’s the kind of viewer that needs everything spelled out to him, nothing can be implied or emoted onscreen because he won’t get it.
@@Taewills well, I can't agree. You haven’t listened to his comments during the film. Oh, and they didn’t say “Woodland Elves”, they said ”wood elves”, so we can all get things wrong sometimes.
@ I obviously watched the entire video otherwise I wouldn’t have challenged your perception on his take.
But my phone correcting Woodland elves from woodelves (which I also used in my comment) is very different from calling woodelves completely different beings that aren’t even phonetically similar after being explained what they are. How is that interpreting info correctly? Despite listening intently too as you claim.
@Taewills well, we will disagree.
J.R.R Tolkien (OG of all Authors) was a veteran of the First World War & other battles such as The Battle Of Somme etc. his works of art were to give back to the England as a form of restoring lost mythologies that he himself was a master of since he was a top professor of philology at Oxford.
He did ALOT of his writing while in the trenches during WWI during small “breaks” while down in those trench forts built into the ground. And while he eldest son was in the Second World War; his Lord Of The Rings writings was strictly created above all else to give his eldest something to read while stationed wherever he was stationed.
I forgot that part. They sent letters back and forth about it all the time. He was also the one and only son that actually protected his fathers legacy and work.
A lot of his other work were put together BY his son after his father passed away.
It’s well worth to react to the documentary behind the scenes film the director and crew and cast created together as well as the interview with the son Christopher Tolkien who you get to sort of enjoy a nice indoor and outdoor chat for like what came to about 1-2 hours of wonderful footage from an era that really must not be forgotten.
His work shed a light on things like The Finnish Kalevala, Norwegian Elder Edda, The Welsh Mabinogion, The Norwegian Nibelungen, The Indian Bhagvagita & Several Irish Folklore + other Cultural things! The man also restored and translated ancient relics for the governments as one everyone trusted. Much of what’s in our dictionary come from his efforts as well.
Anytime he spoke & even posted several comments into the paper as an editorial or response to certain issues as a very involved man for the world and the environment everyone turned their head to listen to him as everyone knew his worth and respected him greatly. His works show how NOT to glorify war; shows in the films if you pay close attention while watching the next films.
Sharing what you know now via the after thoughts at the end of the second film! Remember. Extended edition. There is a lot missed out on especially in the second movie regarding Boromir backstory which there is much more in the books but the films WANTED to keep more but the cinemas and Harvey Weinstein literally harangued him into making a “theatrical cut” which is why you have two versions.
The real version and the “theatrical cut”. It was all to make more money for the company that is the theatres/cinemas.
To get more showings in per day during the year. And believe me. People were camping outside and travelling the country to watch it MORE THAN ONCE.
His creations literally lead to inspiring the most currently famous books games & movies we all literally wouldn’t have enjoyed and be touched to our souls core without him and his spiritually connected brilliance. That and he was a philologist professor at Oxford first and foremost which covers so many things.
Not just linguistic. The man was a true genius and Jack of all trades but ultimately LOVED the simple life.
The inspiration for Lord of the Rings was not any war, but author J.R.R. Tolkien's love of language. Especially Welsh, Finnish and Old English.
He lamented the loss of any true English folklore, that was wiped out after the Norman invasion of 1066, so Tolkien wrote many books on these new "legends" he came up with himself. Much of which is centered around three languages he fully developed himself. Two Elven languages and Dwarvish., Númenorean Adúnaic, Black Speech(warped Numenorean and elvish)
They all have syntax, vocabularies, and a whole writing system that can be learned as the Tengwar alphabet is moreso to match with the spoken elvish rather than one to one for other country’s alphabet. Hundreds of people worldwide speak elvish fluently. Tolkien did draw upon his personal experience in the trenches of World War ONE, not Two, as inspiration for some parts, most notably, the Dead Marshes that Frodo and Sam and Gollum pass through in The Two Towers. But war was not the inspiration for the entire series.
World Of Warcraft. Elder Scrolls, Oblivion, Elden Ring, Skyrim, Harry Potter, Diablo, Zelda, D&D, especially Warhammer + DragonLance and so forth wouldn’t have. Existed without taking giant inspiration from and or completely ripping off from Tolkien. Many great documentaries to react to about him also more about him and AWESOME stuff from the hours & hours of behind the scenes documentaries from the DVDs of the movies which are also on TH-cam & I can send you a playlist to react to from top to bottom on the channel called Pajasek99, FlowState reactions is already posting stuff from the awesome documentaries/BTS content! (I’ll add the extended version of this in your next upload. Please make them at least 2 to 3 parts.)
Shrug, most people (everyone) think that the characters and their actors are two of the many A+s that make these movies A+++. Maybe you'll come around.
I’d love to know more about what you’re saying here. Expand further please.
@@Makkaru112The first movie introduces the Shire and hobbits, four (plus Bilbo) of whom were flushed out further, and might play a part in the rest of the story. Also two elf realms, and the rulers thereof, and a ruined dwarf realm that Gimli's cousin briefly ruled. There are also two men, Boromir of Gondor, and Aragorn, both of whom are supposed to be a little vague at this point, because we haven't interacted with the world of men yet. The purpose of "Fellowship" was to build the world, and it did a fine job of providing a rock solid foundation to build on.
As far as the actors... it's just hard to imagine someone else playing any of the characters as well. A lot of them were second choices, and the first choices are almost comical in hindsight. The actors all nail their parts throughout all three movies.
Also, you might be giving too much attention to Frodo's courage in leaving the fellowship to go to Mordor alone. His real courage was in taking the ring in the first place in Rivendell. He didn't need to do that. Even bringing the ring to Rivendell, and taking a demonic wound in the process, is far more than can be expected of a hobbit.
@@kilroy1976why does some of that feel like it’s directed at the reactor? Is that I’d he ends up reading your reply to me? Lol😅😂
@@Makkaru112 I was wondering... I concluded that the reactor was using two accounts. Why did you want me to expand?
Im glad you are getting to watch LOTR. I wasn't sold on the first movie either, especially since it ends on a low. Im glad you're panning to see the rest already.
It’s called cliffhangers!! 😅😂❤
@Makkaru112 True. But it's a rather depressing cliffhanger when it's your first watch. 😆😉
Don't fight back on the tears....let them flow. (More opportunity later)😂
There were actually many emotional scenes in this first movie! My fav was definitely the moment between Frodo and Bilbo in Rivendell
“I shall NOT be Dark. (All evil) will despair”, The elves (Galadriel especially is one of the few remaining that existed before the sun & moon. They pre-existed day & night.) How utterly, completely terrifying do you think it would be for your whole world to irrevocably change in a matter of an hour? For the thousands of years of (what you would come to know as twilight to be abruptly ended in a profundity of genuinely painful light and an infinity of colour? Of the joy, wonder and terror of distinguishing the difference between green and blue for the very first time in your whole life?)
She is talking about the immediate, majestic sublimity of reality that one experiences in it's totality for the very first time. How on earth could that not be so terrifying as to threaten one's sanity?
Galadriel with the ring would be exactly as beautiful and horrifying. I personally would not know whether to weep bitterly and perfectly, or claw my eyes out through the sheer, unutterable terror of her being in such a circumstance.
But know this: she was showing Frodo what would happen if someone else got the ring. She wasn’t tempted at all. Gandalf tells. Galadriel shows. See the difference now. Two sides of the same coin. Both were needed.
(But yes there was a more fluid beauty full of colour before the rise of the sun. Her uncle, Fingolfin, whilst in middle earth beheld the first rising of the sun and to see this wide field before him in even more definition than before while he was in Middle Earth. This was also the beginning of the dominion of men.)
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“Beautiful & Terrible as the dawn” Galadriel was quite correct to call the morning and night both “beautiful and terrible…”. In truth the physical and metaphysical natures of morning and night were both by turns beautiful and terrible.
First the morning. Physically the morning is the result of the golden fruit of Laurëlin, transformed into a vessel by Aulë’s craftsmen, hallowed by Varda and piloted by the fiery Maiarin spirit Arien. The sun was so terrifyingly powerful that its radiance instilled fear even into Melkor’s heart and defied the assault of his minions. She literally gave up her physical form to take her original form and enveloped the sun; becoming its flames we see today.
Physically the sun is a beautiful golden orb yet it is simultaneously terrifying in its intensity and cannot be observed directly for more than an instant without pain. Metaphysically the morning is beautiful because it diminishes the evil power of those creatures who haunt the night, gives strength to the righteous and because it illuminates the serene loveliness of Valinor and Middle-earth. Metaphysically the morning is terrible because it obscures the light of the stars and sheds light on the ugly reality of Arda Marred, whose very substance is corrupted by the power of Melkor.
Last the night. The night is the Void surrounding the globe of Arda, which existed even before the creation of the Ainur at the beginning of time itself. Physically the beauty of the night lies in the fact . Physically the terror of the night is that it conceals the beauty of Arda and limits the senses of the elves and gives strength to the creatures of evil such as orcs, trolls and the Ringwraiths.
Metaphysically the night is beautiful because it is during the hours of darkness that the stars of Varda, the most beloved creations for the elves, shine most brightly. Metaphysically the terror of the night for elves, who are irretrievably bound to the world of Arda, is that the Void represents the interstellar coldness which is the prison of Morgoth.
Terrible in its more original archaic form didn’t always mean “bad”
(the sun stuff was to move it into a place where Melkor couldn’t go by virtue of how the Valar and Maiar are bound to the world until it’s ending; (which isn’t the true end either. It’s deep stuff. There ends up another song of creation which all kindreds take part in and working with the powers of that long ago past of our world to rebuild everything. Even the Mountains too, healing it after Dagor Dagorath, Also known as the final battle, the worlds ending.
Becoming the greater version of the original form before Melkor’s discord into the first music and so forth which dictated eventually what all ended up ensuing when they entered the world the first time which also was interesting because when they entered it after seeing the complete version it hadn’t been done yet so that was millions of years of work which lead to Middle Earth and the other lands being the remnants of it. Including Valinor being the only remnant of an even older world. At that time of building and tending to the world when the world was young.)
First of all, this is basically one 11 hour movie divided into 3 chapters for practicality of theater viewers. I have to disagree with many of your observations. Most of what I see in the first movie is character driven, with some character arc already occuring in it. I also saw tons of diversity between the various races and characters and their goals. You locked into your negative view of "high fantasy" and that is all you looked for. You spent so much time in intellectual analysis of your own assumtpions and prejudices that you could not allow yourself to get immersed in the story, nor allow yourself to feel emotions. My hope is that when you finish the 11 hour story, you will have allowed yourself to appreciate the story (perhaps love the story)mand the characters, instead of ianalytically diminishing it all. I do await your reaction to The Two Towers 2nd chapter with a hope that you permit yourself to enjoy it. Granted, not everyone loves LOTR, so you are entitled to your opinions for sure.
I like how you linger over the more meani gful speeches. Thanks.
You are brave to criticize one of the most critically acclaimed movies; but this was based on the novel that has sold over 150 million copies and is The Godfather of all modern and post fantasy such as Harry Potter.
Keep in mind the third move wins Oscar for best picture. Fantasy rarely gets nominated for best picture let alone win.
You forgot the musical score, excellent direction, and beautiful sets/scenes.
The bleakness of the movies is reflected by the authors personal experience in World War One. It has been said that certain aspects like elves, hobbits, humans, dwarfs etc represent different countries peoples.
@@jjjones8609the elves represent the faefolk and his mission to revive ancient knowledge and restore the Anglo Saxon culture and languages as he openly stated his sadness of what happened when the Normans decimated them and planted a good olllld church upon its lands…
1:00 AHHH!
I would suggest that you watch Excalibur (1981 movie) as a good contrast for how "high fantasy" films can be made.
Annnnd Dark Crystal
First reactor to guess the answer to the riddle. 😂
Which one? How many reactors have you seen? I have a giant playlist collecting them all....
@ The guy whose video I’m commenting on. 😂 I’ve seen countless reactions, don’t know if I’ve seen them all but it’s a lot. This is the first one I’ve seen to guess the answer!
@@user-jk5um1om8lI mean. What exact riddle do you mean? There’s a few.
@ Oh. I meant the Moria riddle. “Speak, friend, and enter.”
Wow. I don’t think you understand the story.
I don't really understand your review. As far as fans are concerned, we all had a first time experience with it, some with the book, some with the film. None of us, for instance, knew that the elf rope Sam got would turn out to be a lifesaver. That's the point of building a story. Your opinion, at this stage of viewing, is meaningless.
The rope was just an analogy to how I was feeling. I understand in a story not all answers are given right away. I felt like the first movie, while its purpose is to setup many of the story elements, could have done better in the build up. For example, I didn't truly feel the consequences of Sauron's return in the first movie---we did see a glimpse of his strength in the prologue, but otherwise it seems like most of his strength lies in the number of orcs, rather than Sauron himself. Saruman was the most interesting villain, and even he wasn't very complex either---at least from what was presented in the movie
Frankly, I don't think these movies are for you.
It is a bit out of my comfort zone for sure, but I'm still very intrigued! I think also the first watch was a bit hard because I was scrambling to keep track of all the characters and understand their motivations. I can see it being easier to digest on a second watch! There were definitely extra moments I picked up on during editing as well
@@JaeReviews for better experience with all the names appearing in the movie, watch the second one with subtitles on, will help you a lot
@@FNBV1990if he can even find the proper extended that shows the elvish language translations. There’s a handsome arab guy who binged all three in one video of three hours and when he got to all those juicy elvish scenes he couldn’t see any of them. Even all of the Arwen Aragorn scenes from all movies. Horrid. He was saaad. He never spoke to us between movies. Now he must Wallow in not knowing what anyone said during his first watch lol
@@JaeReviews Well, if you thought there were too many characters in the first movie, be warned. There are a bunch of new characters in the second movie. A whole new kingdom and new creatures, too.
@@JaeReviewsyou could jot down notes while watching, if that helps keep track of people and events