Its like being demoted from a Foreign Minister to Ambassador to a country far from mainland ... you know what i mean? So you lose the power of Great effect in the empire ...Egypt was one of the most cherished state's of the Ottoman Empire.
Egypt was the eye candy of the ancient world. The bread basket which would help your armies to fight entire wars with its support alone. Every empire that has ever existed in the Mediterranean has sought Egypt. The only downside was that he would no longer be at the seat of power in the sultans closest circle.
+Colton Byrd I feel ya, but the whole reason stories like that are notable is because they're rare. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a series about some badass child-prince before too long.
Yeah. I was half expecting him to turn into some King Charles XII esq. ruler. And if you don't know who Charles XII is, he was a king of Sweden who ascended to the throne at the age of 15 and would go on to fight a near continuous war against Russia, Denmark-Norway, saxony and Poland-Lithuania (later also Prussia and Hannover) until his death during the siege of Fredriksten Fortress in 1718. At one point he even deposed the polish King, installing his own puppet, and defeated a Russian army nearly 40000 men strong with just 12000 men at the Battle of Narva (1700)
Yusuf Solan What people don't know is Suleiman wasn't actually that furious and short tempered. His father, Selim I was the real deal. He executed some of the most well known and helpful members of his council because of little accidental involvement in some conspiracies against the Sultan. This, despite absolutely knowing they were either innocent or regretful. He required to do this in order to reassert control a country that was going of the hook due to being shaken by the previous reign of the soft Bayazid II and some rebellious leaders emerging influenced by the Safavids. By getting rid of every piece of filth within the government, and securing the borders on the East, he provided a great foundation for Suleiman's conquests indeed.
These knights were badasses. Opposing probably the biggest military power of this time. Respect to them. And respect to Suleiman. The man who keept his word and let his enemys safely surrender dispite they opposed him serveral times and killed thousands of his men.
Hey, it's one of those huge cannons. I read that the Ottomans took one of them out of retirement in the 19th century and used it to successfully repel a British invasion--they filled the cannon with shrapnel and other junk, aimed, and fired, and each time, it would tear holes all over the British warships and into the British soldiers. Eventually, after enough British ships had been sunk and enough men lost, the British called off the invasion.
+Overhazard It's known as a Turkish Bombard. The Bombard actually works by skipping stones over water. This was how the Turks solved the range issue of early guns. It was also why they had such a hard time against fortress walls in Rhodes. When used against a wall the bombard's projectile would hit the bottom, essentially the thickest and toughest part of the wall. The bombard really shines against ships, basically working like a torpedo.
This is what I try to tell people when they say Muslims were universally reviled in Europe and that everyone under the Ottomans in Europe were slaves who lived in fear... the story about the Serbians surrendering to Ottomans is not at all a rare one, in fact, it repeats itself. Consistently we see that any time an Orthodox people are being ruled by a Catholic one, the Orthodox almost always prefer the rule of the Muslims, in some cases even fighting alongside them. This theme shows up on Crete as well...
It's an anachronistic debate. During the years of Ottoman expansion they were comparatively more tolerant towards other religions compared to the Christian west, if we exclude Devshirme. Later Ottoman period that became stagnant also turned into a tyranny against it's Christian subjects. There were no more expansions and raids into other lands. So Everything changes after Suleiman. This is when the majority of Christians flee to Hungary, Venice, etc. In Serbia's case, up to 19th century only about 250 000 people actually lived in Serbia proper (Šumadija) whereas 10 times as many lived in the neighboring Christian lands. Serbia had the second largest immigration in 19th century behind USA after winning the Second Serbian Uprising in 1830s.
And then to think that the religions, the Christians (all of ''m) and the Muslim (also all of 'm) are as a religion more simular then not. Certainly from a Chinese or Indian perspective.
Yes but I'm always amazed that people see so much difference while basically they have the same core scriptures and share the majority of prophets and figures. The simular sort of Patriarchy and same creation story. And that they all share this indeed with the Judaic faith. And still Israel fucks over the Palestinians because zionism. still Isil kills for jihadism. And Anti-balaka still murders for Christ. Still for a fucking story , that is the fucking same fucking story just a different language.. :(
So capturing Rhodes is like capturing pokemon, one does not simply throw the pokeball when the pokemon is at full health. One must weaken the pokemon first.
+BDeerhead The victory itself may have been, but neither mutilating prisoners to make a statement, nor threatening the massacre of civilians and survivors to force surrender, is very merciful, and indeed today either of these things would definitely be considered a war crime by the UN. I'm not saying that the Ottomans were exceptional in their brutality, or that Suleiman's moderation was insignificant, since none of that's true, but it does make for a a sobering reminder that throughout history brutality has been the status quo even amongst great empires we admire for their culture, technological development and prosperity.
As Mr. Gold said, we should not judge people of the past on our current standards. Such brutality was common and even expected in order to prevent rebellion in newly captured lands. (You can't rebel if you're dead.) Suleiman was a man of exceptional honor and mercy *for his time.* And, as Yal Rathol said, the power at our disposal has become so great that our standards of conduct *have* to be higher simply to prevent The End of the World as We Know It.
@@luigi54321 but why would a threat matter as merciless? Its the actions that do. And the UN did not live in the time of a church governed Europe and Imperial Expansion.
+Alex Typhon For your information, we kicked them out in 1798 (yes I'm Maltese) with the help of Napoleon... who promptly ransacked all our churches and treated us like dirt so in 1800 we asked the British to get rid of the French... and they stayed here until 1964 (well the last British ships left here on the 31st of March 1979) and now we're independent. I believe they're based in the Vatican now. They don't really do much though.
+Mark John Mallia I'm Maltese/Australian myself. I've never been to Malta (unfortunately) but from what I've heard the Maltese government is attempting to restore the former property of the Knights of St. John (fort St. Angelo and stuff) and they said something about giving it back to the Knights. Please correct me if I'm incorrect. Also, why did the Maltese want to throw out the Knights? The impression that I get is that most modern people love the Knights and consider them to be a symbol of their independent identity from the Italians (despite what some of the latter may claim) hearing your answers would be greatly appreciated! :)
You said "someone had nailed a letter to the door of a church" and I was like "Holy shit, I actually know what that is!" And then I realized how little I actually know about history and how helpful this series really is.
I never thought I would see the day where I _looked forward_ to a history lesson. This show has shattered that thought. If only more taught history in as interesting a manner as the Extra History team, maybe more people would appreciate history today.
+firekirby123 I think the important difference is that you chose to watch this. You chose, by your own will to sit down and listen to extra historys lesson. In school, you don't feel that same ownership of your time. It is something you feel like you have to do. So you start watching this video with the mindset of "this is interesting", and if it is not - you need convincing. In school it is mostly the other way around, you (or rather, many students, I don't actually know anything about you), the teacher has to convince you to care about it. It is easier to reinforce a preconcieved notion, than to change or mind. Of course, if extra history was rubbish, it would sure as hell convince you to not find it interesting. I'm not saying it is bad, just that it is easier to find interesting when you yourself is making the choice of learning. Just like I had a vast interest in history, but when it came to study it in university all the interest was gone. Why? Because I'd rather read about the stuff not in the curriculum.
Taeerom That very last line you bring up also seems to be a big issue when it comes to teaching history; no matter what's being covered, there will always be those that would prefer to be covering something else. But with the way schools are being streamlined, lessons really can't be taught on an individual basis. Ans sure, I won't argue that there may be something to do with the willingness to participate. But then, at this point, I don't watch extra history to learn about specific topics, I watch extra history because I like Extra History and the way they teach these periods and turning points in history; whether or not I'm interested in the topic they're covering is inconsequential. They don't feel like they're reciting the lesson from a book or abridging it or dehumanizing the people they're talking about in favor of their accomplishments, they tell it like a story. They don't just tell you the things the people in history did or had happen to them, they tell you _why_ they did the things they did and how the things that happened to them shaped the people and their decisions. They make things easy enough for the majority of people to understand, but still leave enough detail to keep those who are more well versed in the topic sated. Perhaps I would be singing a different tune if I was forced to see this kind of thing once a day every weekday, but personally, if I had to choose between the way history is presented in schools and the way this team is presenting history, I'd choose the latter in a heartbeat.
I remember not wanting anything to do with History a few years ago, then I watched the Punic War series and I became a student of history, 3 years later and i knew the insides and outs of the Revolutionary War, and Mexican American War, shortly after I knew the Civil War like the back of my hand, I am currently chasing any info I can find on the Napoleonic Wars, and at the same time learning about the Second World War... I know I'm writing a bunch, but I am explaining that EH changed my views entirely on History..
It really shows how small the world is, when something like Martin Luther's 95 theses can have such resounding effects on the other side of the continent.
+Alphawolfguy True but it is together with west asia and north africa its own historical and cultural region. Actualy you can draw a line between Asia and europe and western asia in term of cultural influence.
+Extra Credits hello any plans on what be the next topic after suleiman is finished? Maybe Atatürck, Napoleon? Alexander Suvurov (the only general in hisotry to not hvae lost a SINGLE BATTLE!)? will we get back to kursk soon?
Hey, I know you have millions of comments to go through, but I just want to say, thanks so much for these videos. You guys make history fucking awesome and enjoyable for all ages.
May I just say I LOVE this new "storyteller" format as it is. It makes it seem more fantastical and whatnot which makes it seem much more interesting to learn. That combined with the art style and your narration make this GREAT
wait wait....he was a man of peace to those who were loyal and was a man of no mercy to those who wanted him to fall..thats what people should be like if u wanna survive cause everyone and i mean ALOMST EVERYONE is always trying to pull u down and knock u to the ground
I always knew I liked Suleiman, even if I knew nothing of him outside of a few games. The fact that he felt empathy for the Grandmaster of Rhodes only further solidifies my opinion.
+Sinan Al-Khadra Ehm... not so much. They did pretty bad things, just like everybody else. On ocassions, they did the opposite and things like Rhodes happened. A typical example: the Great Siege of Malta (aka Rhodes 2.0). Malta was the island where the Knights had relocated; during the siege the Ottomans had thousands of prisoners killed and thrown in the river in crucifixes that floated down the the defenders... to which the Grand Master of the Knights responded by decapitating the Ottoman prisoners in his power and firing the heads at the Ottoman camp. Pretty nasty stuff.
In my story, a Neo-Ottoman confederacy is formed in around the year 2083. I didn't think about much for it, but this is filling me to the brim with inspiration! Thank you, Extra Credits. Cheers from Brazil
+Miyamoto Fan While not to sound disrespectful of Suleiman, it is kinda funny how his war tactics boiled down to "FIRE EVERYTHING" when we've already met Belisarius and Admiral Yi.
+modulus365 Well that's how siege craft works. You pound the enemy's wall for a couple months and either breach, starve them out, or try to negotiate surrender. It was the exact same as Belisarius. Just with cannons, sieges are more interesting then "they camped outside for a few months."
1:23 Hehe I love how you guys are recounting this from Suleiman's perspective so the name and details of other important historical events get kind of glossed over even though we know full well what they are referring to. Nice touch.
1:23 "Some priest had nailed a paper to the door of a church..." There's considerable historical evidence that he didn't actually nail the theses to the door of a church, but I can definitely understand your desire to make it clear what you're referring to without distracting from the actual topic of the video... 2:11 "But Suleiman knew [Venice's] weakness." Trade agreements, I assume? (*watches next few seconds of video*) Yep. The Republic of Venice was extremely predictable in that regard.
+Rabbit Cube no doubt, but the myth is that he did, and it reinforces Suleiman's general apathy/contempt for the religious in-fighting of western Europe.
So the one time I play the easiest nation in EU4 for a change and EC coincidentally does a video series on one of it's leader this is the reaction I get... Well, at least people don't up to the sky anymore...
1:22 Is that talking about "Martin Luther" and the birth of Lutheranism? Because i'm going to freak out if i actually knew something about history before Extra Credits told me!
+ISureDoLikeCats except they completely fudged the details. Martin Luther never attached a letter to the door of a church. His document existed and he addressed shit like the sale of indulgences. But he never addressed it by putting letters on doors. He did it by sending a communique to those more powerful than him within the church. And later by pamphleteering.
+pinkyfull that will no doubt come up in the lies portion. The nailing to doors thing is dramatic imagery and demonstrates the passion around this new-found heresy. As this is the popular history of the tale, it was used for clarity of the narrative, more than strict historical accuracy, which they admit to fudging for the sake of keeping the main story clean.
by the way, if you ever make a series of Martin Luther, you absolutely have to call one of the chapters 'a diet of worms' just to intrigue anyone who doesn't know about the meaning of those words.
You got the episode out fast, and it was really fun to watch. I just love the style of your narration and design. Looking forward to the next episode :)
I'm not going to lie, I feel pretty bad for the child "King" If I was suddenly handed leadership of a country at the age of not even 14 yet, I probably wouldn't do well either, especially with Suleiman just waiting to pounce..
i like how merciful he was and how good he was to the citizens of the fort and that touching moment with the commander to recognize his and his knights bravery he should have offered them a job
Video games taught me that castles are barely defensible, that large caliber cannons will crush wall in minutes, and the men guarding the ramparts would drop like flies with no way to respond. The Total War series, the Mount and Blade games, all taught me that castles were nothing more then defensible mansions or outposts. I guess castles were better then I thought.
+ltflak Also, do not forget that proper siege equipment can be pretty hard to come by, especially something like cannons which cannot be constructed during the siege, but has to be brought by the besieging army. A major factor why Vienna didnt fall to the Ottomans later was that they had to leave their cannons in the mud due to bad weather. Now, imagine trying to assault a castle with improper siege equipment, a castle that sits on a mountain or cliff so you can hardly move your equipment close, one built on granite rock that cannot be tunneled, all while you have to supply your troops, watch out for relief forces and likely with a time limit as you dont want to sit in front of enemy walls during the winter...
the larger the weapon the greater thw fore is needed to focus the round. though it was huge amd packed enough powder the blast the walls down itself. I get the feeling tjat it had barely enough force to launch boulders with great effectiveness. Casyle walls are meant to be sturdy and where it was placed was exceedingly strategic but at the same time they were also sitting ducks. it seemed to mostly be a problem with the weapons they used.
+Bombom1300 Heck, there are a whole lot of castles still standing today, and a bunch of them are still inhabited. Castles were designed by intelligent architects to be as durable as possible, and as people created anti-castle strategies, castle builders created ways to stop them. Even now, with our bazookas, ballistic missiles, and drones, the only surefire ways to defeat people in a good-condition castle are to cut off their supplies or nuke them.
As a hungarian this is such a sad series to watch. Many mistakes of our ancestors resulted in our defeat, and we have not recovered every since from 1526 and the Ottoman rule.
I think its more on Hungary i they failed to recover after 500-600 years. Also seeing as how worse has befallen on Hungary since then and especially during the 20th century Im calling bullshit on this.
OnceUponATimeThereWasAPersonWithALongUsername.TheElongationOfThatUsernameWasPlainlyLegendary Our homeland was a battlefield for 160 years between the Ottoman empire and Austria. Then came Austria and conquered us, we were under their rule for 200 years. Then Trianon happened and we lost 2/3rd of our country. Then you could say we were free for a fre years under Horthy, but we were financially broke after all this and all our neighbours hated us for historical reasons, and we had to trade and ally with Germany. This was before world war 2 so I dont think I have to say more about this. After WW2 we were under Soviet rule for 50 years. I gouess you can see how this 500 years were not really in our favour. And now we have another dictator called Orbán btw.
you need to turn these into educational games for highschoolers. history and world history never grabbed me the way science or literature did. it was like the teachers didn't care about what happened, so why should i? but every episode you make, every word you speak feels like it was considered heavily and chosen because it best suited the story you are telling. you enrich the story you are telling, and you tell it with such passion that those listening can't help but hang on every word. can't wait for the next episode. thanks again
It was the other way around for me. When I was in highschool I hated math and science because my teachers were just monotoned drones who just repeated everything from the textbook. My history teachers were different. They were very passionate about the subject and because of that I was very engaged. One of them even worked for the Royal Ontario Museum. When summer came around the ROM would send him on trips to other parts of the world. Games like Civilization and Age of Empires also helped with my history lessons.
That would have been cool. I guess this really puts emphasis on the point though. Teachers need to be taken care of and they need to be passionate about their teachings. We need more Steve Irwindale :(
I cant wait until we get to Siege of Siget 1566 , that was one glorious battle , Zrinski vs Suleiman in one of the most brutal seiges , you should make a series about that
Yes , but Siget was just a bloodbath and the respect Suleiman had for Zrinski and Zrinski for him is just insane , and that ending of the siege is just awesome
Hello, just a quick note for the minute 0:33 in which you said that John Hunyadi (Iancu de Hunedoara) and Mathias Corvinus (Matei Corvin) are Hungarian Heroes. I believe you should also mention that they were not actually of hungarian origin but actually romanians which were appointed leaders of Transylvania which was under Hungarian rule at the time.
Really interesting. An episode about the future of the Knights Hospitallier after the loss of Rhodes (I think they moved their base to the island of Malta) later on could be very interesting.
0:19 Wait.. if I am not wrong it wasn't Sultan Mehmet II directly who lead armies against Belgrade but his Grand Vizier Zaganos Pasha. Sultan Mehmet actually wasn't that interested at conquering Belgrade due to exhausted resources after conquest of Constantinople. He also worried his Aq Qoyunlu rival, Uzun Hassan, might attack if he concentrated army to Serbia. It was because Zaganos's persistence he reluctanly let siege of Belgrade happened and failed. After Zaganos's defeat, he was replaced by Mahmud Pasha Angelovic.
Having known nothing about this dude, apart from the fact that his hat looks like a massive onion, it's quite impressive that, even in absolute fury about the failure of his massive army against a few thousand knights on an island, he's still honorable in his word.
Very informative video I love all of you're videos, but I was wondering if it was possible for you to list more of the dates that major events take place. This would help me to understand more of what was going on, but anyways thanks for the video I love seeing what you guys post.
Whatever one's thoughts on the Crusaders in the Holy Land, those Knights of Rhodes and later Malta saved Europe from being conquered by the Ottoman, the true heroes of the medieval ages...and then Napoleon conquered Malta in a day after they held it for centuries against the Ottoman hordes.
I'm rather impressed with Suleiman's grace in victory. I knew the name but never the man before this series began, and much like Admiral Yi I find myself respecting someone long since gone from the world for his tact as well as his tactics.
It is incredibly clear that the source for most of this is Ogier Ghiselin de Busbeq. That bit comparing the Ottoman armies to bodies of water is the exact analogy used in one of Ogier Ghiselin's letters. Also, good job (so far) of avoiding orientalist historiography. That said, the personal framing narrative makes me wince every time.
The best part is when his men were angry at not being able to sack the city after he said they would kill even the cats would not be spared if they resist (and they definitely did) so he told them fine you may kill all the cats. This made everyone laugh and stop trying to pillage the city
+Chad Barrett This is how old armies were commanded. It was the king's role to choose the goals of the battles and campaigns and it was the generals' and officers' roles to direct the soldiers in achieving the objectives. Ancient battles are almost never simply about who's army is better but about the intelligence and decisions made by those in command.
2:18 not to mention Mehmet II put Venice in its place after their defeat in 1478 which resulted in them losing their cities in the Adriatic and Aegean and an annual 10,000 ducat tribute.
"Demoted to governor of egypt"
that must have been tough
true lel
I wish I was demoted to governor... From working at a Company.
as an Egyptian that's the first time I felt that humiliated :(
ikr
Its like being demoted from a Foreign Minister to Ambassador to a country far from mainland ... you know what i mean? So you lose the power of Great effect in the empire ...Egypt was one of the most cherished state's of the Ottoman Empire.
6:11 "Demoted him to the governor of Egypt." LoL you know you are an empire when you demote your guys by making hem governors of entire countries.
You have to remember egypt really is just a strip with people living around the Nile.
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and the holder of alexandria, cairo and nowdays the suez canal
Content Sailor And Egypt also has a population of near a hundred million.
Egypt was the eye candy of the ancient world. The bread basket which would help your armies to fight entire wars with its support alone. Every empire that has ever existed in the Mediterranean has sought Egypt. The only downside was that he would no longer be at the seat of power in the sultans closest circle.
@@bn56would not then it didnt
Man, the Knights of Rhodes were pretty badass. I'm glad they weren't all slaughtered.
Agreed!
+atreides213 The Knights Hospitaller get relocated to Malta, which is basically Rhodes 2.0
+Leivve And there, closer to Spain and France, They kick'd some MAJOR OTTOMAN ASS.
2,500 troops vs 40,000. Total slaughter.
+Leivve and they dug in there like it was no ones business.
+Maarten Pennings Oh look, it took almost an hour for the xenophobes to come out and play this time
I was half expecting the 14 year-old King of Hungary be a total badass or something.
+Colton Byrd I feel ya, but the whole reason stories like that are notable is because they're rare. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a series about some badass child-prince before too long.
+Colton Byrd He wasn't lord of Belgrade. He was the king of Hungary, based in Buda.
Yeah, I realized that after I posted it. I'll change it now. Don't know why I didn't earlier.
+Kaymarx Charles XII hopefully.
Yeah. I was half expecting him to turn into some King Charles XII esq. ruler.
And if you don't know who Charles XII is, he was a king of Sweden who ascended to the throne at the age of 15 and would go on to fight a near continuous war against Russia, Denmark-Norway, saxony and Poland-Lithuania (later also Prussia and Hannover) until his death during the siege of Fredriksten Fortress in 1718. At one point he even deposed the polish King, installing his own puppet, and defeated a Russian army nearly 40000 men strong with just 12000 men at the Battle of Narva (1700)
Suleiman: the most brutal honorable man I've ever heard of.
That's why they call him in the west Suleiman the Magnificent :)
This is like justinian and theadora(if you're millitary you'd probably do bellisarius), a great what-if
@Emre Al actually he was always being cruel enough so people take him serious. Like someone who only fights if he really has to.
I still think that honor goes to his great grandfather, Mehmed the second
Yusuf Solan What people don't know is Suleiman wasn't actually that furious and short tempered. His father, Selim I was the real deal. He executed some of the most well known and helpful members of his council because of little accidental involvement in some conspiracies against the Sultan. This, despite absolutely knowing they were either innocent or regretful. He required to do this in order to reassert control a country that was going of the hook due to being shaken by the previous reign of the soft Bayazid II and some rebellious leaders emerging influenced by the Safavids. By getting rid of every piece of filth within the government, and securing the borders on the East, he provided a great foundation for Suleiman's conquests indeed.
These knights were badasses. Opposing probably the biggest military power of this time. Respect to them. And respect to Suleiman. The man who keept his word and let his enemys safely surrender dispite they opposed him serveral times and killed thousands of his men.
When they later moved to Malta the Ottomans invaded again but suffered 50,000 dead and were forced to retreat with the Knights victorious
@@toddcrane4318 mercy to Europeans might be Ottomans biggest mistake
@@toddcrane4318 Malta was gonna suffer the same date,,The Spanish Habsburg troops save their asses
@@Sam-wt1cx No they hold out and than with spanish habsburgs kicked ottaman ass
That's because it's a must in Islam , no killing of the elders , women and children and animals. No cutting trees and destroying monuments.
Holy crap! Suleiman and Martin Luther lived in the same time period?! That's crazy.
Yep in fact Suleiman could be Sid to have saved the Reformation with him distracting Catholic Europe
+LEGOMANIAC419 Ummm...Not only that, also King Henry VIII :). The 16th Century was a century with a lot of notable characters.
+LEGOMANIAC419 Just to blow your mid, Henry the VIII is present too, though not too much invelved in this,
+nodinitiative Exactly. That's why 15th and 16th centuries are my favourite. So many cool and interesting individuals lived in those times
+Döuché D'arizonoğlu The 18th and 19th centuries are also very interesting.
Hey, it's one of those huge cannons. I read that the Ottomans took one of them out of retirement in the 19th century and used it to successfully repel a British invasion--they filled the cannon with shrapnel and other junk, aimed, and fired, and each time, it would tear holes all over the British warships and into the British soldiers. Eventually, after enough British ships had been sunk and enough men lost, the British called off the invasion.
+Overhazard It's known as a Turkish Bombard. The Bombard actually works by skipping stones over water. This was how the Turks solved the range issue of early guns. It was also why they had such a hard time against fortress walls in Rhodes. When used against a wall the bombard's projectile would hit the bottom, essentially the thickest and toughest part of the wall. The bombard really shines against ships, basically working like a torpedo.
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Nevertheless, that sounds really smart.
Wanderer628 Is your Google broken or do you just need everyone else to do all the work for you?
ThatSpazChick well what are you going to put
“That cannon which blew up British ships”?
Great Jamie Well idk maybe "TURKISH BOMBARD", SMARTASS?
This is what I try to tell people when they say Muslims were universally reviled in Europe and that everyone under the Ottomans in Europe were slaves who lived in fear... the story about the Serbians surrendering to Ottomans is not at all a rare one, in fact, it repeats itself. Consistently we see that any time an Orthodox people are being ruled by a Catholic one, the Orthodox almost always prefer the rule of the Muslims, in some cases even fighting alongside them. This theme shows up on Crete as well...
It's an anachronistic debate. During the years of Ottoman expansion they were comparatively more tolerant towards other religions compared to the Christian west, if we exclude Devshirme. Later Ottoman period that became stagnant also turned into a tyranny against it's Christian subjects. There were no more expansions and raids into other lands. So Everything changes after Suleiman. This is when the majority of Christians flee to Hungary, Venice, etc.
In Serbia's case, up to 19th century only about 250 000 people actually lived in Serbia proper (Šumadija) whereas 10 times as many lived in the neighboring Christian lands. Serbia had the second largest immigration in 19th century behind USA after winning the Second Serbian Uprising in 1830s.
Well, i can tell u the Bulgarian side of the ottoman rule and conquest and it wasn't fun.
And then to think that the religions, the Christians (all of ''m) and the Muslim (also all of 'm) are as a religion more simular then not.
Certainly from a Chinese or Indian perspective.
Of course they are similar, they come from Judaism
Yes but I'm always amazed that people see so much difference while basically they have the same core scriptures and share the majority of prophets and figures. The simular sort of Patriarchy and same creation story. And that they all share this indeed with the Judaic faith. And still Israel fucks over the Palestinians because zionism. still Isil kills for jihadism. And Anti-balaka still murders for Christ.
Still for a fucking story , that is the fucking same fucking story just a different language.. :(
So capturing Rhodes is like capturing pokemon, one does not simply throw the pokeball when the pokemon is at full health. One must weaken the pokemon first.
Nope Rhodes was capturing like a hedgehog...
A certain blue supersonic hedgehog
ummmm that's capturing any city in the world
a legendary pokemon, to be a bit more precise.
pretty much yeah lol
god, this series keeps getting better and better.
Rinoa Super-Genius you mean history seems more bad ass the more modern it gets
ALLAH IS THE ONLY GOD
I think that might very well be the most gracious merciful victory we've ever seen on Extra History.
I'm certainly impressed with this guy.
It did come to bite the ottomans in the ass, so honor might not be that great
+BDeerhead The victory itself may have been, but neither mutilating prisoners to make a statement, nor threatening the massacre of civilians and survivors to force surrender, is very merciful, and indeed today either of these things would definitely be considered a war crime by the UN. I'm not saying that the Ottomans were exceptional in their brutality, or that Suleiman's moderation was insignificant, since none of that's true, but it does make for a a sobering reminder that throughout history brutality has been the status quo even amongst great empires we admire for their culture, technological development and prosperity.
+luigi54321 yes but we also should not judge them by todays standards which i dont think you did.
As Mr. Gold said, we should not judge people of the past on our current standards. Such brutality was common and even expected in order to prevent rebellion in newly captured lands. (You can't rebel if you're dead.) Suleiman was a man of exceptional honor and mercy *for his time.*
And, as Yal Rathol said, the power at our disposal has become so great that our standards of conduct *have* to be higher simply to prevent The End of the World as We Know It.
@@luigi54321 but why would a threat matter as merciless? Its the actions that do. And the UN did not live in the time of a church governed Europe and Imperial Expansion.
The Knights of Rhodes still exist btw. They live in Malta now.
Are they the Blackwater hitmen ?
+Yasser Otmani Primarily they function as a humanitarian organization, sort of like a Catholic version of the Red Cross.
+Alex Typhon For your information, we kicked them out in 1798 (yes I'm Maltese) with the help of Napoleon... who promptly ransacked all our churches and treated us like dirt so in 1800 we asked the British to get rid of the French... and they stayed here until 1964 (well the last British ships left here on the 31st of March 1979) and now we're independent. I believe they're based in the Vatican now. They don't really do much though.
+Mark John Mallia I'm Maltese/Australian myself. I've never been to Malta (unfortunately) but from what I've heard the Maltese government is attempting to restore the former property of the Knights of St. John (fort St. Angelo and stuff) and they said something about giving it back to the Knights. Please correct me if I'm incorrect. Also, why did the Maltese want to throw out the Knights? The impression that I get is that most modern people love the Knights and consider them to be a symbol of their independent identity from the Italians (despite what some of the latter may claim) hearing your answers would be greatly appreciated! :)
+Andrew Schembri I'm surprised that so many Maltese people happened to have seen this vid and comment hahaha
You said "someone had nailed a letter to the door of a church" and I was like
"Holy shit, I actually know what that is!"
And then I realized how little I actually know about history and how helpful this series really is.
The grand masters name was Philippe Villiers de L'Isle-Adam if anyone wants a bit of extra information
+xxAnaconta Thank you, my good person.
+xxAnaconta that is a piece of history that needs to be remembered, thank you
I never thought I would see the day where I _looked forward_ to a history lesson. This show has shattered that thought. If only more taught history in as interesting a manner as the Extra History team, maybe more people would appreciate history today.
+firekirby123 I think the important difference is that you chose to watch this. You chose, by your own will to sit down and listen to extra historys lesson.
In school, you don't feel that same ownership of your time. It is something you feel like you have to do. So you start watching this video with the mindset of "this is interesting", and if it is not - you need convincing. In school it is mostly the other way around, you (or rather, many students, I don't actually know anything about you), the teacher has to convince you to care about it. It is easier to reinforce a preconcieved notion, than to change or mind.
Of course, if extra history was rubbish, it would sure as hell convince you to not find it interesting. I'm not saying it is bad, just that it is easier to find interesting when you yourself is making the choice of learning. Just like I had a vast interest in history, but when it came to study it in university all the interest was gone. Why? Because I'd rather read about the stuff not in the curriculum.
Taeerom That very last line you bring up also seems to be a big issue when it comes to teaching history; no matter what's being covered, there will always be those that would prefer to be covering something else. But with the way schools are being streamlined, lessons really can't be taught on an individual basis.
Ans sure, I won't argue that there may be something to do with the willingness to participate. But then, at this point, I don't watch extra history to learn about specific topics, I watch extra history because I like Extra History and the way they teach these periods and turning points in history; whether or not I'm interested in the topic they're covering is inconsequential. They don't feel like they're reciting the lesson from a book or abridging it or dehumanizing the people they're talking about in favor of their accomplishments, they tell it like a story. They don't just tell you the things the people in history did or had happen to them, they tell you _why_ they did the things they did and how the things that happened to them shaped the people and their decisions. They make things easy enough for the majority of people to understand, but still leave enough detail to keep those who are more well versed in the topic sated. Perhaps I would be singing a different tune if I was forced to see this kind of thing once a day every weekday, but personally, if I had to choose between the way history is presented in schools and the way this team is presenting history, I'd choose the latter in a heartbeat.
I remember not wanting anything to do with History a few years ago, then I watched the Punic War series and I became a student of history, 3 years later and i knew the insides and outs of the Revolutionary War, and Mexican American War, shortly after I knew the Civil War like the back of my hand, I am currently chasing any info I can find on the Napoleonic Wars, and at the same time learning about the Second World War... I know I'm writing a bunch, but I am explaining that EH changed my views entirely on History..
It really shows how small the world is, when something like Martin Luther's 95 theses can have such resounding effects on the other side of the continent.
+grfrjiglstan To be fair, Europe is a pretty small continent.
+Timothy McLean It's not even a real continent
+Timothy McLean
+Alphawolfguy
Fuck both of you guys xD
+Alphawolfguy shitty b8 m8, try harder
+Alphawolfguy True but it is together with west asia and north africa its own historical and cultural region. Actualy you can draw a line between Asia and europe and western asia in term of cultural influence.
"It's ok, there's no shame in losing to my MASSIVE, victorious army - you can leave, now."
Can't help but imagine he felt a bit of pride there.
The way lies open. Hungary and Rhodes - those thorns in Suleiman's side - stand alone. His army is ready.
+Extra Credits Awesome video. One minor map issue: Crete and Cyprus weren''t Ottoman in Suleiman's lifetime.
+Extra Credits OMG i LOVE YOU GUYS U MAKE SUCH GOOD VIDEOS KEEP IT UP! :)
+Extra Credits hello any plans on what be the next topic after suleiman is finished? Maybe Atatürck, Napoleon? Alexander Suvurov (the only general in hisotry to not hvae lost a SINGLE BATTLE!)? will we get back to kursk soon?
+MrShadowtruth Ataturk would be a nice idea. I have never seen him get the attention he deserves so that's that
+Extra Credits Love this new series, but you haven't stopped the Battle of Kursk have you?
Hey, I know you have millions of comments to go through, but I just want to say, thanks so much for these videos. You guys make history fucking awesome and enjoyable for all ages.
May I just say I LOVE this new "storyteller" format as it is. It makes it seem more fantastical and whatnot which makes it seem much more interesting to learn. That combined with the art style and your narration make this GREAT
spoiler alert:
Knights get a new island and it will be just as unsiegeable.
+Leivve And next time there will be no truce, only 100s of thousands of dead jannisaries.
+Leivve
Malta? if I remember correctly?
Last until Napoleon come and take without a fight.
+kornetbeef They did offer resistance to Napoleon, but not much.
And this time they won
it was nice how suleiman finally behaved with the Rhodes leader....real men fight and forget.👏
wait wait....he was a man of peace to those who were loyal and was a man of no mercy to those who wanted him to fall..thats what people should be like if u wanna survive cause everyone and i mean ALOMST EVERYONE is always trying to pull u down and knock u to the ground
True Somali dude
I always knew I liked Suleiman, even if I knew nothing of him outside of a few games. The fact that he felt empathy for the Grandmaster of Rhodes only further solidifies my opinion.
"Some priest" they say. I love how nonchalant you were with that one. lol
If history class had been like this in high school, i'd've been a lot more attentive. You guys do a great job! Thank you so much.
It seems that the Ottomans were very polite in their conduct of war, in comparison with the warfare of other nations of that time.
+Sinan Al-Khadra Check out contemporary accounts of his father, not a guy to get on the wrong side of!
+Sinan Al-Khadra
Ehm... not so much. They did pretty bad things, just like everybody else. On ocassions, they did the opposite and things like Rhodes happened.
A typical example: the Great Siege of Malta (aka Rhodes 2.0). Malta was the island where the Knights had relocated; during the siege the Ottomans had thousands of prisoners killed and thrown in the river in crucifixes that floated down the the defenders... to which the Grand Master of the Knights responded by decapitating the Ottoman prisoners in his power and firing the heads at the Ottoman camp. Pretty nasty stuff.
+Sinan Al-Khadra I can't see, at least, that they were worse than the others, but there's certainly no lack of atrocities commited by them.
Richardsen Wow. That's some retaliation. I didn't know heads could be cannonballs.
It's more that Suleiman the Magnificent was truly deserving of his rather gaudy title. Other Ottoman rulers were no where near as polite or humane.
In my story, a Neo-Ottoman confederacy is formed in around the year 2083. I didn't think about much for it, but this is filling me to the brim with inspiration! Thank you, Extra Credits.
Cheers from Brazil
Sounds like this guy could've used Belisarius.
+Miyamoto Fan
I think everybody :-).
+Miyamoto Fan While not to sound disrespectful of Suleiman, it is kinda funny how his war tactics boiled down to "FIRE EVERYTHING" when we've already met Belisarius and Admiral Yi.
+Miyamoto Fan Everyone can have use of Belisarius , even for algebra
+Miyamoto Fan Would you look at the time, it's Belisarius O' Clock
+modulus365 Well that's how siege craft works. You pound the enemy's wall for a couple months and either breach, starve them out, or try to negotiate surrender. It was the exact same as Belisarius. Just with cannons, sieges are more interesting then "they camped outside for a few months."
1:23
Hehe I love how you guys are recounting this from Suleiman's perspective so the name and details of other important historical events get kind of glossed over even though we know full well what they are referring to. Nice touch.
1:23 "Some priest had nailed a paper to the door of a church..."
There's considerable historical evidence that he didn't actually nail the theses to the door of a church, but I can definitely understand your desire to make it clear what you're referring to without distracting from the actual topic of the video...
2:11 "But Suleiman knew [Venice's] weakness."
Trade agreements, I assume? (*watches next few seconds of video*) Yep. The Republic of Venice was extremely predictable in that regard.
+Rabbit Cube It's really amazing that posting "Yo dude, the pope isn't perfect" on a church door is enough to cause THAT much trouble.
(double post, augh)
+Rabbit Cube Well, when your entire state depends on trade for its survival, it's to be expected.
+Rabbit Cube no doubt, but the myth is that he did, and it reinforces Suleiman's general apathy/contempt for the religious in-fighting of western Europe.
Rabbit Cube what sort of evidence?
Playing EU4 as the ottomans while listening to this
+gnhtd1 So you are one of those guys.... play a real nation like Mali... Kappa
+gnhtd1 Wow so you're playing on easy mode. . .
+TubeBeky Mali... Real nation?! HA! Ryuku ftw!!!
And if we're talking about reasonable challange, try playing the Netherlands without allying France.
So the one time I play the easiest nation in EU4 for a change and EC coincidentally does a video series on one of it's leader this is the reaction I get... Well, at least people don't up to the sky anymore...
+gnhtd1 ... Playing as Hungary... lets just say as of right now the ottomans an I are not friends -__-
You have to think this man had HATED these knight but still gave them so many rights. And in the end, he still sees the knights in honor. What a guy
I love his eye at 6:12
That's the face of a disgusted man
Nice profile pic you got there,anyway....
lol
1:22 Is that talking about "Martin Luther" and the birth of Lutheranism? Because i'm going to freak out if i actually knew something about history before Extra Credits told me!
yes
+ISureDoLikeCats You have my permission to freak out then :P
+ISureDoLikeCats "Some guy split the church. Who gives a crap?" - Suleiman 1520
+ISureDoLikeCats except they completely fudged the details. Martin Luther never attached a letter to the door of a church. His document existed and he addressed shit like the sale of indulgences. But he never addressed it by putting letters on doors. He did it by sending a communique to those more powerful than him within the church. And later by pamphleteering.
+pinkyfull that will no doubt come up in the lies portion. The nailing to doors thing is dramatic imagery and demonstrates the passion around this new-found heresy. As this is the popular history of the tale, it was used for clarity of the narrative, more than strict historical accuracy, which they admit to fudging for the sake of keeping the main story clean.
The quality of your content grow at every episode. This is grandiose! LOVE IT!
I love this flashback method of storytelling
I have to say. I'm really liking this story style you've been using for these videos.
by the way, if you ever make a series of Martin Luther, you absolutely have to call one of the chapters 'a diet of worms' just to intrigue anyone who doesn't know about the meaning of those words.
You got the episode out fast, and it was really fun to watch. I just love the style of your narration and design. Looking forward to the next episode :)
I'm not going to lie, I feel pretty bad for the child "King"
If I was suddenly handed leadership of a country at the age of not even 14 yet, I probably wouldn't do well either, especially with Suleiman just waiting to pounce..
Suleiman the magnificient!
Such a brave and fearless man,
our glory will raise again.
Btw i have been to Rhodes more then 10 times, if you see the walls and defences you understand how they can hold for so long. Its beutifull
Holy shit... That nobility from Suleman in the wake of success even though he was so annoyed is incredible!
"Such is the fate of princes," eh? I hope those words do not rebound upon the person who spoke them.
+Landis963 You know this plot line already, don't you?
I do not, in fact. I've actually been avoiding researching it because afraid of spoilers.
+Landis963 If you honestly didn't know the story, than you made one of the most accurate guesses in Extra History.
Bulut Güner It just sounds like one of those hubristic phrases that beg for an ironic reversal.
+Landis963 It wasn't intended as an insult. It was a compliment to say that this non royal individual met the fate of a mighty noble lord.
I'm really loving this new Extra History, I cannot wait for the next one!
Those knights were fucking badass. Holding out so long
this guys very honorable and not savage nice change of pace for history
Yup .... here is Egypt Again being a dumping ground :D
+Ahmed Yassin meh, its a cool chill place. people there are like the nile, relaxed predictable and very awesome
+General noob I think it's a problem of "people like you so I can't kill you or exile you, so get as far away from me as possible.
its just because the last EP had also had some snake that was so hypocrite . and I am from Egypt so I know what the what .
i like how merciful he was and how good he was to the citizens of the fort and that touching moment with the commander to recognize his and his knights bravery he should have offered them a job
There was a reason why Europe called him Magnificent
o_O WELL compared to the rest at these dark fucked times tho he seems neat
Video games taught me that castles are barely defensible, that large caliber cannons will crush wall in minutes, and the men guarding the ramparts would drop like flies with no way to respond. The Total War series, the Mount and Blade games, all taught me that castles were nothing more then defensible mansions or outposts. I guess castles were better then I thought.
Castles were really awesome! They only really began to fail once cannons were invented, and even then they lasted for hundreds of years.
+ltflak Also, do not forget that proper siege equipment can be pretty hard to come by, especially something like cannons which cannot be constructed during the siege, but has to be brought by the besieging army. A major factor why Vienna didnt fall to the Ottomans later was that they had to leave their cannons in the mud due to bad weather.
Now, imagine trying to assault a castle with improper siege equipment, a castle that sits on a mountain or cliff so you can hardly move your equipment close, one built on granite rock that cannot be tunneled, all while you have to supply your troops, watch out for relief forces and likely with a time limit as you dont want to sit in front of enemy walls during the winter...
Probably because "Wait outside the walls for a few months until the defenders starve or surrender" doesn't sound like really exciting gameplay ;)
the larger the weapon the greater thw fore is needed to focus the round. though it was huge amd packed enough powder the blast the walls down itself. I get the feeling tjat it had barely enough force to launch boulders with great effectiveness. Casyle walls are meant to be sturdy and where it was placed was exceedingly strategic but at the same time they were also sitting ducks. it seemed to mostly be a problem with the weapons they used.
+Bombom1300 Heck, there are a whole lot of castles still standing today, and a bunch of them are still inhabited. Castles were designed by intelligent architects to be as durable as possible, and as people created anti-castle strategies, castle builders created ways to stop them.
Even now, with our bazookas, ballistic missiles, and drones, the only surefire ways to defeat people in a good-condition castle are to cut off their supplies or nuke them.
7:36 a great way to say good game and that you tried your hardest
I was cheering for rhodes, those knights sure knew how to hold their ground in one hell of a lopsided fight
I love how in 1:36 they casually mention Luther and his 95 thesis
As a hungarian this is such a sad series to watch. Many mistakes of our ancestors resulted in our defeat, and we have not recovered every since from 1526 and the Ottoman rule.
I think its more on Hungary i they failed to recover after 500-600 years. Also seeing as how worse has befallen on Hungary since then and especially during the 20th century Im calling bullshit on this.
+Cainsgames I feel ya, man.
My country hasn't recovered either from the mistakes of our ancestors.
OnceUponATimeThereWasAPersonWithALongUsername.TheElongationOfThatUsernameWasPlainlyLegendary
Our homeland was a battlefield for 160 years between the Ottoman empire and Austria. Then came Austria and conquered us, we were under their rule for 200 years. Then Trianon happened and we lost 2/3rd of our country. Then you could say we were free for a fre years under Horthy, but we were financially broke after all this and all our neighbours hated us for historical reasons, and we had to trade and ally with Germany. This was before world war 2 so I dont think I have to say more about this. After WW2 we were under Soviet rule for 50 years. I gouess you can see how this 500 years were not really in our favour. And now we have another dictator called Orbán btw.
Ottomans: We outnumber you 100,000 to 7,000
Knights of Rhodes: *I like those odds*
Man seems far more like a villain than a hero during the siege.
you need to turn these into educational games for highschoolers. history and world history never grabbed me the way science or literature did. it was like the teachers didn't care about what happened, so why should i? but every episode you make, every word you speak feels like it was considered heavily and chosen because it best suited the story you are telling. you enrich the story you are telling, and you tell it with such passion that those listening can't help but hang on every word. can't wait for the next episode. thanks again
It was the other way around for me. When I was in highschool I hated math and science because my teachers were just monotoned drones who just repeated everything from the textbook.
My history teachers were different. They were very passionate about the subject and because of that I was very engaged. One of them even worked for the Royal Ontario Museum. When summer came around the ROM would send him on trips to other parts of the world. Games like Civilization and Age of Empires also helped with my history lessons.
That would have been cool. I guess this really puts emphasis on the point though. Teachers need to be taken care of and they need to be passionate about their teachings. We need more Steve Irwindale :(
I cant wait until we get to Siege of Siget 1566 , that was one glorious battle , Zrinski vs Suleiman in one of the most brutal seiges , you should make a series about that
+TubeBeky The Great Siege of Malta, along with that, have to be the best parts in this story
Yes , but Siget was just a bloodbath and the respect Suleiman had for Zrinski and Zrinski for him is just insane , and that ending of the siege is just awesome
TubeBeky Our is kinda better, since we handed the Turks their asses ;)
TubeBeky Still though, that's a brilliant manager
Blackforest98 Yep , i don't know true numbers but i think they killed over 20-30 k Turks at Siget with only 2-3k troops defending
This is by far my favorite video series! Please keep it up!
I already freaking love this dude
I really wish this narrator would come back. He was so good!
Hello, just a quick note for the minute 0:33 in which you said that John Hunyadi (Iancu de Hunedoara) and Mathias Corvinus (Matei Corvin) are Hungarian Heroes. I believe you should also mention that they were not actually of hungarian origin but actually romanians which were appointed leaders of Transylvania which was under Hungarian rule at the time.
Fun Fact: at 0:20 he mentions the city of Buda. Buda is now known as Budapest after it merged with the nearby city of pest
Every time I heard the Holy Roman Empire mentioned I wished even more that you'll cover the 30 Year War.
maybe about Gustav II Adolf?
Really interesting. An episode about the future of the Knights Hospitallier after the loss of Rhodes (I think they moved their base to the island of Malta) later on could be very interesting.
so sad that Lepanto happened after his death, it would have been nice to see it on the series
this series are getting better and better!
I'm so early nobody has blamed Walpole for anything...
+Silas McClung It was Walpole all along!
+Silas McClung up til now no but it's coming
0:19
Wait.. if I am not wrong it wasn't Sultan Mehmet II directly who lead armies against Belgrade but his Grand Vizier Zaganos Pasha. Sultan Mehmet actually wasn't that interested at conquering Belgrade due to exhausted resources after conquest of Constantinople. He also worried his Aq Qoyunlu rival, Uzun Hassan, might attack if he concentrated army to Serbia. It was because Zaganos's persistence he reluctanly let siege of Belgrade happened and failed.
After Zaganos's defeat, he was replaced by Mahmud Pasha Angelovic.
Demoted to governor of Egypt, that's gotta hurt!
+Sun Tzu Well he was Grand Vizier so.2 most powerful man in half of the known world.
Fenasi Kerim I was being sarcastic.
Kudos!! Very good and intriguing depiction of the history.
Yo I'm just saying John Hunyadi (Or Hunyadi Janos) was an incredible man and you guys should totally do a series on him or his son (or both) one day.
Yeah, great Slovak men.
Wow he was really honorable and a man of his words ! Kept all his promises and took to peace terms whenever reasonable ... good emperor overall 👏👏👏
The Knights of Rhodes (later known as the Knights of Malta) were some serious badasses.
Christian Europe owes them alot.
Such good storytelling. I look forward to next week
Having known nothing about this dude, apart from the fact that his hat looks like a massive onion, it's quite impressive that, even in absolute fury about the failure of his massive army against a few thousand knights on an island, he's still honorable in his word.
Do you know why his hat looks like a massive onion?
It's called turban
Another amazing episode! I can't wait for the next one!
you know you are high up when a demotion means you are demoted to governor of egypt
Very informative video I love all of you're videos, but I was wondering if it was possible for you to list more of the dates that major events take place. This would help me to understand more of what was going on, but anyways thanks for the video I love seeing what you guys post.
Man, this series feels so much like Eu4 I can almost hear the BGM....
Whatever one's thoughts on the Crusaders in the Holy Land, those Knights of Rhodes and later Malta saved Europe from being conquered by the Ottoman, the true heroes of the medieval ages...and then Napoleon conquered Malta in a day after they held it for centuries against the Ottoman hordes.
+Serious Gaming Guns care little about courage.
1:24 GO MARTIN LUTHER
Reformation pwnz noobz.
+Barak Nicholes Martin Luther used Ninety-Five Theses on the Catholic Church. It is super effective!
+Robert Walpole I bet you put him up to it, Walpole.
Shh . . . Spoilers!
I didn't really watch extra history before, but this series is much too interesting to let pass by.
Heh...Martin Luther screwed everything up for Hungary.
+LT Gen Klink The Reformation rose because of how corrupt and shady the Catholic church was
***** Good point, edited
+LT Gen Klink Man I hope they do an Extra history on the Anabaptist revolts.
I'm rather impressed with Suleiman's grace in victory. I knew the name but never the man before this series began, and much like Admiral Yi I find myself respecting someone long since gone from the world for his tact as well as his tactics.
I have to say the Knights of Rhodes were pretty brave and stalwart to stand that attack. Let's give a cheer for their bravery, hurrah!
+Batarn If I was one of those knights I would have pissed myself 7 times just seeing the cannons on the shoreline....
7:30 Wow, comforts he adversaries after victory, that's unusual
1:22 OH man, could you guys do a series on Martin Luther someday? That guy was awesome.
I would support you on patreon just to see that happen.
well done, a fine narrative sir. I really enjoy it while doing othersuff
"Some priest had nailed a paper to the door" i wish reformation event in EU4 had that title.
It is incredibly clear that the source for most of this is Ogier Ghiselin de Busbeq. That bit comparing the Ottoman armies to bodies of water is the exact analogy used in one of Ogier Ghiselin's letters. Also, good job (so far) of avoiding orientalist historiography. That said, the personal framing narrative makes me wince every time.
I wonder who this priest was who nailed some thesis to a church door.
WAIT. A. MINUTE.
WALPOLE! I know it's you!
+SirSaladhead of course, how couldt we have been so blind
+SirSaladhead It Was Walpole.
If there is sportsmanship in warfare... He deserves it...
Rhodes knight uses fart in your general direction. It's super effective!
+Alex Krycek I see what you did there.
The best part is when his men were angry at not being able to sack the city after he said they would kill even the cats would not be spared if they resist (and they definitely did) so he told them fine you may kill all the cats. This made everyone laugh and stop trying to pillage the city
Can't wait for Malta....
I like how his brother in law was DEMOTED to governor of Egypt.
"These warriors are better then my army? Find me someone to blame so I may have him killed!"
+Chad Barrett This is how old armies were commanded. It was the king's role to choose the goals of the battles and campaigns and it was the generals' and officers' roles to direct the soldiers in achieving the objectives. Ancient battles are almost never simply about who's army is better but about the intelligence and decisions made by those in command.
2:18 not to mention Mehmet II put Venice in its place after their defeat in 1478 which resulted in them losing their cities in the Adriatic and Aegean and an annual 10,000 ducat tribute.