I was in the Corps from ‘97 to ‘01. Got out exactly 60 days before 9/11/01. The same old schtick about “don’t join the infantry, get a skill” is worn out to me. I didn’t join the military to learn a career. I wanted to be in the military and blow stuff up. I was an 0861/Forward Observer and loved every minute of my job. When I got out, I went to college and earned my bachelor’s with the help of the GI Bill. I didn’t need the Corps to teach me to weld, code, or whatever the hell. I got discipline, hard work, and the title…yes we are underfunded but I didn’t think it was bad at all. Three meals a day, a roof over my head and great memories. I never considered any other branch when enlisting at 17.
Go USMC Infantry grunt if you want a solid military combat MOS, from there you can TRY RECON or MARSOC, you will always be an 03 if you dont make it. Being a Marine Grunt is something to be proud of. You will work your ass off! And, there is a pride being a Marine that you wont get anyplace else. In the Marines you get the short end of the stick, slow promotion, and crappy equipment, but Marines always get the job done. Whats your purpose? BEING A MARINE IS SPECIAL, you will have pride and be a part of a unique culture. Going in with a RECON contract is a huge gamble. Only the SEALS go in directly, and most dont make it, then the Navy has some crappy jobs! In the Marines or Army you gotta be seasoned with some rank before you go Special Operations, thats the culture. But, Army is bigger and has more opportunity to do Ranger, SF, Delta, etc. Its not easy, just more spots available. With an Army combat MOS the Army is way better for a long career and promotion. My nephew was an 03 in the Marines with combat deployments to Afghanistan, he loved it. Once things stopped, the Marines were shrinking and it was less of a good time. He went into the Army and is now in a Ranger battalion in Georgia. Career path in Army is better and he likes it. Though he still says being a Marine was one of his most proud accomplishments. Great interview, this former Marine is a good guy, hope all works out in his future.
appreciate the well thought response , gonna be doing marine infantry in hopes of getting into marsoc , might consider army after if things don’t work out , chasing the combat life that I want to fulfill , if you could give any more advice that would be also great man
Love Jakes videos. Like the recruiter said they tell them the truth and people feel they are "hating on them". When Jake tells guys hey you are not going to make it. It isn't "hating". He is saving them from chipping paint for 5 years. What I love about these videos is Jake doesn't bad mouth people he just gives them reality and gives them options that might be a better fit.
The advice I give people is to consider what is going to happen when and if you get out I did four years in the infantry I didn’t want to be a cop or security guard or work at an ammo shop afterwards, so I’m an Electrician now. I make really good money as a traveling industrial electrician. I talked a guy into joining as an air traffic controller and he chose navy and got that job. He’s still in, Has a house near the beach, but he can get out at any time and make 6 figure salary at an airport with his certification. Had a buddy who went Diesel mechanic, works at Chevrolet full benefits
You say you want to be a ranger, have you considered having permanent joint injuries? Nerve damage, arthritis, knee replacements, Go to chiropractors weekly, get some relief for a day or two, pain & aches every day. That’s if you don’t get shot. Just consider everything. You have 1 body.
I spent 12 years in the Marines. I wasn't recon or a CSO (critical skills operator) but because I was a small craft mechanic, I spent my first 9 years in the recon/special ops community. My first unit was 3rd SOTG (special operations training group), then 2nd MSOB (marine special operations battalion) - it was called MSOB before they changed their name to Marine Raider Battalion, then 1st recon battalion (did a pump with a force recon platoon and we were tasked with running VBSS ops in the Gulf of Aden) before I finished my career on recruiting duty. Even though I wasn't a SOF guy, I worked and trained with these dudes for the larger part of my career. I became very knowledgeable with with how recon and the raiders train, work, and recruit as well as how their selection and assessment pipeline works. I don't say all of this brag or some shit. It's just help provide validity to the point I'm trying to make. My take on this after listening. This guy knows jack shit about Recon or MARSOC. Now your viewers are misinformed and underinformed on this topic as it is clearly evident by the comments in this video. Why couldn't you have tried to have a former or current MARSOC recruiter, or former or current Recon Marine or Marine Raider on instead so that you could've provided actual value to your viewers about this? You couldn't have picked a worse guy. He gave you the most surface level bullshit explanation of the process and the culture and basically went off on what you'd read in the recruiting brochures and yet he still gave barely any real insight. You could tell he wasn't even sure of wtf he was saying. Also - 9 years in and still couldn't make E6? I've heard the "not promoting, promotions were locked, so that's why I never made E6" excuse so many times. And he did a recruiting tour. If you complete recruiting duty, that's almost an automatic promotion to E6 because of how challenging of a duty it is. If you couldn't make E6 after recruiting, you just sucked as a Marine or got multiple NJPs (non judicial punishment). It wasn't the NJP because he would've said it if that was case.
I see you watched the interview and you felt some type of way, that is your prerogative. First of all, I’m not going to go on a rant about how I was affiliated with fancy groups here and there, blah blah. I was a regular Marine, I served my country honorably and got out right after recruiting duty. Never been NJP. Many Marines go promoted fast, many got promoted on time, many got promoted slow or didn’t get promoted. It’s life 🤷🏿♂️. In the interview, I was sharing my opinion based on my experiences. The whole point was to tell dudes that it’s not prudent to go straight into recon off the streets. That it was better to go infantry, as a stepping stone, and then later lat move into recon. In that aspect, it comes with a bonus. Worst case scenario, if that person doesn’t make it, they go back to their original MOS. Idk about you, I just wouldn’t advise any dudes right off the streets to go into something with such high rate of failure, when they can choose a path that will get them there a guarantee more success.
Thanks for your insight. I get tired of seeing nothing but Marine bashing on here. Some people just don't get it. All they talk about is toxic leadership. I am not saying that isnt true, I am just saying maybe the recruiting pool is getting a lot more soft. There was a write up about a battalion commander making his guys have a uniform inspection before deployment and they all cried like babys. Those were common place back in the day. I remember that denim shirts were outlawed in the 70's. It seems they will cry about anything these days.
@@RemoWilliams-jg4yb I came in early 80's.Never heard about denim shirts. I only knew that if you parted your hair down the middle was a sign you were a druggie. I'm also a little tired of the Marine bashing. Yes it is generational.
@@4threconmarine Each generation had their thing! I started chalking it up to just kids who really have no idea. It just shows how bad the education system is these days.
Marine Recon has become a feeder line to army SF. More then a few former Recon Marines have made the jump and passed selection and are now serving in army SF/Special Operations forces.
This is one of the many reasons why I left the Marine Corps after seven years. I recently did an inter service transfer. Now I’m here on Fort Moore. I was recently inserted into week 12 of infantry AIT. (I obviously didn’t have to go through Army basic training) The grass is greener on this side.
The grass is greener were you water it. I don't begrudge anyone wanting to better themselves, but I have respect for people seeing something through. I have a lot of respect of the crusty Master Guns who didn't leave recon to go sf just because.......
Jake, what do you think about retired Navy SEAL Eric Deming exposing the Navy SEALS for all the lies they told about missions and people who lied about accomplishments.
I definitely had I was 7-year Lance and I'm not trying to brag about that part of that was on me yeah and still a lot of that as I was getting out they was already processing how a lot of Marines that were almost a decade in and was stuck at E5 and he's six most of my staff and my training battalion when I was at camp lejeune and los we're basically basically facing early retirements.... I was having conversations with Vietnam era Marines and Marines of the early '90s and I was telling them about all the staff sergeants in gunners sergeants that I saw that were taking 15-year Early retirement packages and they thought I was lying and it actually made them do some inquiries and calling around and hopping on online forms and finding out that I was definitely telling the truth and that was during the tail end of operation enduring freedom and the Afghan war
@@willsmith6560don't feel bad. I was in from 02-06, made Sgt in 3.5 yrs all I had to do was reenlist, volunteer for recruiting duty which is what I wanted to do but no, I got out for a female and as soon as I got out the relationship ended
Had two ex Jarheads in my Airborne Infantry Unit at Bragg, this was late 80's, that got of the Marines and came back into the Army and went Airborne and got first duty stationed at Bragg. They were very impressed with how much better the Army's facilities, gear, equipment etc was. They like the chances for all the challenging schools to go too if good enough to go and more deployments too. Both admitted if they had it to do over, they would have went Army all along.
And so what, two of the three company commanders at Marine Barracks Bangor at the same time were former Army Sgts. Don't know how that happened but it did. My Co was with the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment in West Germany that wore black berets before the Rangers back in the early 70's. Three enlisted were ex army including a dude that was with the 101st Airborne. My company XO at 1/3 was a former Green Beret Weapons Sgt, so was one of the Docs. My platoon had a former MN NG member and a former AD soldier that was in West Germany . Guess what? All said if they could do over,they would chose the Corps. The XO eventually went to 3rd Recon did other stuff and retired as a full bird. Getting a little sick of the narrative that the Army is better than the Corps.The only advantage is getting a medical MOS. If you are in the army just for college money or think you have to be validated by the color of your beret, badges and tabs then you are definitely not needed or wanted in the Corps. That goes for the Navy too. Navy OCS has Marine Drill Instructors on staff. Ask yourself why. Only one title matters with us...UNITED STATES MARINE...and you can take that to the bank.
@@4threconmarine I don't think any of us said the Army was better than the Marines. I know I didn't. Well I am too old to be on this site anyway. At age 65 I am never going to be able to go back in. It's over. I apologize for my unintentional insults.
I can confirm what he said about slow promotions. When I was in in the early to mid 80's the corps was still drawing down from Vietnam and some MOS's were being phased out. I had made E4 but would have never made E5. I saw the writing on the wall and took a job in civilian life. Love the corps, but they are spitting straight facts in this video.
Outstanding podcast! Wish I had this type info 20 years ago when I was dead stuck on joining the Marine Corps. Now I am a Career Advisor by profession, and I have to say, Jake, you are doing great work. Leading by example, sharing knowledge, and helping people out in life after your time in the military is a continuing credit to our country.
@manwithnoplan5496 Air Force has the most relaxed jobs that never see combat, same with the Navy... Army is basically a human organization where you have half the people working on desks and more focus on logistics
What are you talking about? Sure you do. You have two or three wives. The one to two kids you had with them, and the kids they bring from all the other Marines they were married to.
I was an Officer recruiter (Officer Selection Officer) out of NYC for 3.5 yrs. Recruiting over the last few years was a grind. I very much resinate with what the prior enlisted Marine felt at the end of the duty. I’m a Marine Corps infantry Officer and nothing I did compared to the stress of recruiting duty. That said, the selling point of the Corps is that it’s a very difficult life and it takes a toll on every Marine at some point. Still, it’s one worth looking back on with pride. I do agree with your point that your odds are higher for reaching a SOCOM unit with the Army given the sheer numbers and competition. The esprit de corps in the Marines as a service is unmatched however and I think this and the allure of “pride of belonging”are what attracts folks to the branch.
17 year old me joining the Corps thinking that I was going to live the commando life as a Recon Marine and then having my dreams shattered as someone explained SOCOM to me.
You join the Corps to be a Marine it ain’t better- ain’t worse, it’s just different. Money is tight that is for sure but that’s not why you join. If you are squared away, you will make rank. And if you want to be in recon or MARSOC and you are worthy of it you will be. You become a marine because you want to be one we don’t think in terms of LES statements, and what we’re getting from the Corps. If that mentality is not for you that’s fine and totally understandable it’s just a different culture. I don’t crap on any other branch. I think they all work just do your research before you join.. I don’t know it is hard to articulate I could go on and on and but I think that’s basically a decent explanation.
Army here: Offered my E5 my 2nd year in. Turned it down because I wanted to complete school. Got 3 degrees ( Associates, Bachelors, Masters), and still got my E5 before by friends who were in the Marines. This is just to show you how much better and how much faster the Army promotes and provides opportunities.
You have to do time in the infantry, at least 2 years, to be successful in Recon, or beyond. You need to learn all the skills, land navigation, toughening your body by doing long humps, patrolling, learning call for fire, shooting for real during live fire exercises, basically learning how to be effective in the combat arms. You’ve got to do your time, you have to pay your dues. There is no short cut to Recon and beyond.
Damn son. I’m 24 years old, I’ve always wanted to join the Marine Corps and I finally was dead set on signing up. I go on runs after my 10hour construction job every weekday to prepare. After seeing this video I’m signing up for Army or Air Force. I’m about to be 25. I can’t have a slow moving career anymore.
Hate that I waited so long but I just couldn’t get my life together. There’s no excuses now and I’m actually glad I seen this video. I wanted to believe that the corps got better in recent years compared to 1990s
fastest moving carreer is Army, Airforce promotions are somewhat slow as well, and like stated here Army has the majority of the schools and a large budget.....Semper Fidelis
It’s crazy this guy only made E-5 regardless of how hard it is to ascend the ladder in the Marines, which it is, but to still not get past E-5 after a recruiting tour is unheard of.
Just based off of sheer numbers of options, the Army is the best spot for someone coming right out of high school that wants a shot at Special Operations. There’s way more opportunities under the USASOC umbrella (75th, 160th, SF, PSYOPS, CA). The scenario of going to the Army and doing BCT, AIT then going to RASP, SFAS, Green Platoon etc. just seems like a better deal as you’ll already have your MOS so if you don’t make it you know what you’re gonna be doing for the next few years at least. Thats a more informed plan for a young person trying to figure shit out. People get so caught up with earning the title of whatever it is that they aspire to be, that they aren’t thinking about what their life is going to be like for the next 4-6 years. 🔥 video! Great insight!
I originally wanted to be a 1stMRB; however, I made a bold decision to pivot my career aspirations when California skyrocketed its minimum wage for fast food to $20. I realized that my long-term future required a strategic shift, so I boldly applied for the prestigious In-N-Out selection process
Jake us right. I setved in the Marines from '85 - '90. The service is great, but they promote very slow. I saw squared away guys getting forced out because they didn't make E5 within 8 years.
So many comments here degrading the Corps by so many who had never coming close earning the EGA!! It's vcery simple; if you want to have a better chance to get a class room education, or to make money, or just an easy military life, the USMC is not for you. But if you are the one that hunger for pride and become something special, then welcome my brother/sisters...SEMPER FI!!
I'm a USMC vet, but lets be real. The other branches of the services are more professional. From the quality of the gear to the job opportunities. The Marine Corps is dead last.
Good afternoon LT. I’m a former 0311 Marine from the early 90’s. Now I hear a lot about my Corps that sounds bad. I’m black and Hispanic. Never once did I see or feel racism. Also, I seen black, white, and brown Officers. Also, yes there was never any contracts for Recon. But when I was attending School of Infantry a recruiter for Recon came down to our school house and broke it down how one could be a Recon Marine. Then they had open PT test to see if Marines had a high enough PT scores they could tryout for BRC. This was all after passing SOI. I see and hear a lot of complaining about the Marine Corps. I will say this.. No one forced me, or my fellow Marines to join. Few more things. Both my sons are Marines, and both have excelled in the Corps. They both have been meritoriously promoted. One of my sons has been asked by his officers if he wanted to become an officer. So, I think anyone could be successful in the Marine Corps! Have a great day LT!
Bro if you go motor t and get assigned to an infantry unity or artillery you are not driving everyday you’re not, you are a grunt or ramming rounds and we run 25 miles a week and hump 25 miles a week. You still gotta be a dawg and Lord bless you if you get fapped out to a special operation. I did it and yes I was a dawg as an alcoholic 17 minute 3 mile runner with a damn good buzz.
Navy basically has the same. You can get a SEAL contract guaranteed, but have to pass the basic screening test again. If you don't pass BUDS, you get sent to whichever "A" school the Navy decides to send you.
You become a Marine to simply be a Marine. College, pay etc you go to the Army or Air Force. But yes definitely research the branch and the job you want. Ive see plenty people go to college while in. It depends on your MOS. You can’t be a grunt and expect to have time to go to school. Most POGS have time for school and most big bases have colleges. One of my boys was a recruiter, idk why they work Monday-Sunday being that they always hit their recruiting mark. They definitely deserve more off days
Marine Corps so poor I never even got a desk to study during training. 1 out of four Marines didn't have a desk to learn maps in class. Sat on steps with map in my lap. I was shocked how fckng poor the Marine Corps is. The poorest of all the services. Desperate to remain in existence, so Generals tell Congress: " it's ok, we do more with less!"
I got a funny story from the Marine Corp’s BS model of “doing more with less”: It’s summer in North Carolina and We hiked 15k to the range for a 5 day field op to practice shooting drills and other infantry shit. Within the first hour of shooting every rifle jammed during hammer pairs, failure to stop, and controlled pairs. You’d be lucky if you shot FTS without misfiring, no joke. After the first few waves, Staff NCOs are chilling in the shade shitting on everyone because we can’t clean our rifles. So after getting shitted on for an hour in the hot sun, me and the squad leaders come to find out that all of the rounds were botched. All of the brass had dents on them and even the primers were fucked. After bringing this up, Company XO brought the whole company in. I’m thinking he’s gonna: 1. Atleast acknowledge that the issue is out of our control and beyond weapon cleaniness. 2. cease fire until we get new rounds because faulty rounds will destroy rifles right ? Instead, he spent almost an hour reminding us how generations of marines have been “doing more with less” and lectured us again on how dirty our rifles were. XO and first sergeant reassured us that we are shooting until every round is fired and we should view this as a training scenario if we are in Afghanistan or some shit. So for the rest of the day, we kept shooting botched rounds and spent so much time misfiring, that we didn’t even complete the day shoot. Ontop of that, rifles started getting seriously damaged. I think one of my team leaders destroyed his chamber shooting those things. It was so bad that we shot half of the ammo at midnight. ATP, me and squad leaders from other platoons gave the green light to bury those rounds in the dirt while staff wasn’t looking. I don’t agree with some of the shit Jake Zweig gives marines but he’s right about 2 things: 1. The USMC is a cult 2. You shouldn’t be here during peace time
As a current Infantry Officer in the Marine Corps , this isn’t entirely accurate and has a lot of negative points without mentioned the alternatives. You can go to recon with an Infantry contract. Either take the screener at SOI or put in a package once you get to the fleet. Definitely the smarter way to go about it without risking getting re-dessed to be a cook. Marines promote slower but not terminally slow. You see dudes pick up Sergeant in their first contract if they’re studs. The bit about becoming so out of shape 5 weeks into bootcamp and failing a PFT is a symptom of this recruiter signing kids who have no business going to BRC. That’s not the programs fault that’s young kids showing up unprepared. There is an innate cultural value to being in the Marine Corps over other branches. If that espirt de corps and tradition appeals to you than it’s absolutely worth it. The green machine can absolutely set you on the right path and you’ll be given leadership responsibilities at much lower ranks than other branches . The average Marine is a better soldier than the average Army soldier and I’ll absolutely die on that hill. Marine Intel is awesome. If you want to be a Raider as an end goal , this is a great way to build up a skillset and develop yourself as you prep in the fleet for A&S. If not selected you have a TS/SCI and some cool experience before your contract is up
Great points man!!!! Support everything I said. The Army has better opportunities with less competition and if you are a stud you will be an E6 in 5 years and I have a couple who were STUDS that made it in 4
@@jakezweig You have a lot of influence on a 17-20 year old that watches this and I just don’t want young guys to immediately be discouraged of the Marine Corps. A lot of the promotion issues are just because the Marine Corps is a smaller branch it’s not because higher Marine Corps intentionally wants to stall someone’s career. Blanket statement that the army is better for most guys is just misleading.
@@teflonmusk11B 5 promotions in 3 years seems ridiculous. Rank means nothing at that point. Again it’s a difference of the size of the org. An army platoon sergeant is a gunny where a Marine platoon sergeant is a staff sergeant. A squad leader is a cpl or a sergeant in the Marine Corps.
Sounds like this recruiter signed up anyone with a pulse for a Recon contract. Something is wrong with the process if only 1 out of 20 from one station made it. In three years I would say at least five should have made it. I don't understand getting weaker in Boot Camp. I got stronger,faster and my endurance went up in Boot Camp. Had no problems with the humps at Infantry School.
Hey Jake, why don’t you ever talk about Navy SWCC? My son initially thought about going SEAL and met a SWCC mentor while training for his warrior contract… Not Buds … but extremely tough pipeline. His class started with 70 in prep and is down to 10. Couldn’t be happier with his choice and seems to be a great option for a young man graduating high school and looking into Navy Special Warfare. Great signing bonuses too.
Even if you go through with a recon contract you still have to go through IMC/ITB before you go to BRC so even if you wash out you are still classed as 0311,0331, etc. you’ll just get cut orders to a victor unit and have other opportunities later down the road. One more thing I should mention that about halfway through ITB/IMC recon recruiters actually speak with the students and those qualified to try out can get packages for BRC without even having a recon contract.
@@nickdills8848 From what I understand ; Recon contract Marines do not go the IMC route. They go to MCT and then BRC. This is why all the failures end up in some Pogtastic MOS. The Marine Corps knows most of those guys will not make it ,so some slick recruiter like this one (no offense...you have a hard job, but come on dude...1 out of 20 in 3 years ...from Arkansas ??? That's Ridge Runner /Hill Billy Heaven) signs these bright eyed kids up not really knowing anything about Recon and just how hard it really is, then they fail and go where ever the Corps needs them. The other services do this too. So they need to chill the fuck out. The Army has contracted Rangers,Special Forces and the Navy has contracted Special Warfare. I can't speak for the Chair Force,although they do have Air National Guard PJ's that are recruited directly from the civilian world.
I did the Indoc in 2004 in SOI one morning... Run 1st class PFT, Swim 500 meters I think I forget the time, using rescue , breast, side stroke.. then have to run another 1st class PFT.. that got me to RIP.. was doing well like 7 weeks in President's day 96 I got NJPed in Tijuana Mexico well someone got caught and dropped names.. we got dropped from course.. I went to 2nd LAR .. I was bitter at 1st so I volunteered for IP in Ramadi in 2005 which was wild, then went back to LAR and worked with alot of great guys and we did alot
If you want to join the Marines and deploy just about any MOS can get you there if you get on the MEU cycle. That’s guaranteed two deployments in three years. If you want to go MARSOC, or Recon/Force the O3s are still your prime feeder. And they deploy like mad. If you just want to deploy regularly go aviation. Dets, MEUs, and SPMAGTFs. You’ll be called a pogue but you’ll be a well stacked pogue. But if you really want to see the world, be on multiple MEUs, go SOCOM, or JSOC then you’re missing the boat if you don’t go SIGINT, or CI/HUMINT. High demand, low density MOS that they have to have on every Det. Even before the war I never met a 26XX, or 0211 that didn’t have multiple deployments and a fruit salad that looked like the entire ribbon chart.
Jay I told you I didn't like the way the Corp was selling the MARSOC contract because those would end up in RECON the contract would give them the opportunity but!!!!!! If your command was short of Marines you couldn't go or if there were Marines ahead of them they would have to wait
The running joke in the Infantry is that recon guy are just “Boots with Wings”, in the later part of the gwot they just sit on boats and don’t do anything. When I went on my 2nd deployment half of my platoon had combat experience and the recon guys were barely even on their 1st deployment but they walked around like they fought on d-day 😂😂. Recon definitely used to go hard but now they aren’t doing shit and they all run to army sf after
2010-2014 USMC Infantry Afghanistan Combat Vet x2, 2/6 Golf Co. When i was in i couldnt wait to get out Im out and wish i would have stayed in E-4 in 3 years and 3 months I wish to this day i would have went MARSOC the thing is that it was never offered to us Also these promotion statements are wild I picked up E-4 in 3 years and 3 months I have a buddy whose a SSGT right now on the board for GUNNY and hes been in 12 years nd he is Infantry However i am beyond grateful i never served during peace time When i got out i tried going to an Army Rec for a SF contract and they gave me the run around blah blah
@@jakezweig i mean i really wanted to go in on a Ranger contract then try out for GB The Army wanted to demote me, still keep my E-4 rank however i was a Corporal in the Marine Corps they wanted me to be a Specialist and im like ABSOLUTELY NOT ive led Marines into Combat i am not about to demote myself because we all know an E4 Specialist is a different world than an E4 Corporal in the Army I was 25 at the time now im 33 going on 34 i really dont get it
As a marine veteran if a guy wanted to go recon he had to be a grunt first, so any kid out there go infantry or radio comms first and then you can always try out for recon later and if u don't make it you won't get sent to a sh*tty mos
A guy in my unit made recon selection and we were in a light attack helicopter squadron. This was back in 05. Then my ex’s cousin who was straight up admin made recon selection too.
Great show... Army? It is cool. But, some folks just want to go Marines. Folks should consider going Reserve Marine Force and BN Recon. Or ANGLICO. You get all the schools and glory in these particular Marine units. Selection is tough but just buy Jake's material and you will pass. * Choose Radio Operator. That can also help. Marines are always in deep need for Comms. Brah, hate to hurt your feelings by Recon has a deep record in the Vietnam War operating out of I Corps. A Recon guy started the concept of SWAT. Force guys were part of MACV- SOG. Haha years later there is a wild man Citadel grad who was Force with John Winn Bey and later was Delta. Just friendly sharing. You are the best! Not jockriding. Appreciate your shows. The guest was great. I am just old and add some historical context.
Everyone at SOI gets a chance to try out for Recon. Just buy Jake's material before you go. It is easier to remain in shape unlike cats trying out for SEALs in the Navy. It is upbto you.
I got out as a second award E3 EAS'd 2 weeks after my 21st birthday with two deployments. And what you talk about of young guys not making selection across the branches because they just don't know what they're getting into IS THE REALIST SHIT EVERYONE IN THAT AGE BRACKET SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO! My mental capacity at that age couldn't fathom what I got myself into. looking back i realized how much I dropped the ball consistently until it finally caught up to me
MARSOC has a reserve detachment now, but you have to do an active enlistment first as a Raider, same as the SEALs. Great opportunity for the active duty guys to take a break and keep a foot in the door.
When I went to jump school all the Marines had to re-enlist just for jump school. All lance corporals and above. People who enlist in the Marines and go infantry need to be worried about passing SOI. Marine Infantry is an elite force in itself. No offense to the Navy Seal but you don't just go SF or Army Ranger. Very few make it. Very few. There are Marine Corp who will tell you Ranger School at Benning is no joke.
Those slots were wasted attaboys seats when Recon and ANGLICO could hardly get school seats. We sent some of our POGs from H&S to airborne because we got activated for Desert Storm and they were sad because they were away from home.. Problem is they took about seven seats that should have went to seven of the eight Marines that just graduated ARS Little Creek a few weeks earlier. Every time I see a POG or former NROTC or Academy grad with sleds all I see is a wasted slot taken from someone who needs to go. Five Jump Chumps.....the 0321s didn't even "pin" on their wings or congratulate them.
@@4threconmarine I understand about not pinning on the wings but I was in the Army and would have wore mine even if they were not required to wear. They were part of the uniform at Ft. Bragg.
@@captainnitrousx1331 When I say "pinning" on the wings I ment punching(some call it the blood wings,but it wasn't as bad or bloody as some think, j just a little fun with the newbies) their wings into the chest and then shaking hands. We knew they took slots from the 0321's that really should have went. Slots were very hard to come by back in those days unless you were Force Recon since being on jump status was part of their T/O.
@@4threconmarine well I seen a lot of 11B s doing it. But crazy Grunt Marines brand their cheering grunts with hot clothes hanger wires. I hear True or not.
Friendly inter service jesting aside, I am tired of the whole Marine bashing crayon eating fad. A wise old Staff Sgt. told me that you better learn from all branches, cause yer gonna be workin with them shoulder to shoulder at some point. I never joined the Marines for creature comforts. I wanted to be placed in the most austere conditions. If I wanted luxury, I would have joined another branch. Yes, all roads lead to the Army. They own just about everything. I have a deep respect for my fellow green bretheren, and I have admired to grizzled ole dawgy, but working with them a lot of the times, it was not reciprocated. My guys behaved and treated them with respect. It was not given in return. The Army has had a mad on to disband the Marine Corps since WWI. Yes the Marine Corps SHOULD change certain aspects, but again, I joined them FOR the discipline and it makes me chuckle seeing videos of people that willingly joined the military, then walk all over the discipline they are trying to instill. They should have just stayed a civilian. Recon are some of the finest warriors on the planet and yes they have gotten the short end of the stick on many occasions. You cannot remove them from the MEU, MEB, MEF concept without removing that commanders SOF capabilities. I have since regular Marine 03's do amazing things, yet they get no love. Point is gents, we are all on the same team. Learn from each other and watch each other's six. I am tired of seeing vets tear other vets down.
@@RemoWilliams-jg4yb I know. I am former Army and I had little contact with the Marines or Airforce. I never screwed around or insulted them or their ways of doing stuff. Especially the Marines Combat Arms people. Everyone talks Marine Recon or their other elites but to me, the regular Marine Grunt is a tough and very well trained weapon. I hear people say I want to go Recon or how do I become a Ranger and IAM thinking if you served 4 years in a line Marine infantry unit your a well trained elite just as good as any of those Special Forces, Seals or Recon in competing on any modern battle field.
@@captainnitrousx1331 Bingo, and thanks for the kudo's. More Marines need to hear this. I have seen marine SNCO's that have been through several schools that were just plain superhuman. I remember one Sgt who went out for Recon and did the indoc THREE TIMES and passed THREE TIMES but the battalion commander would not let one of his superstars leave.
@@RemoWilliams-jg4yb Well you know during Vietnam top Marines from the rifle companies and would go to a unit training school for like 3 weeks or sometimes not and they would patrol the Laotion border and on the other side in 5 or 13 man teams. Some Gunny won the medal of Honor running a 13 man team. The point is those men were chosen or volunteered from the rifle companies. If your in a Marine company your an elite soldier like any other elite troops. Also there are Marine PFCs or Lance Corporal that can land nav or call in Artillery better than NCOs I knew in the Army.
@@captainnitrousx1331 That is what I am trying to say. Where had some SF guys with us and regular army as well, and as usual the jokes and jibes came out from them. They kept arguing with me about who was better trained. I told one officer that I had a LCPL running the FO's. He told me that there was no way possible that was running effectly until he say our 81's dropping mortars on dimes. They did the same thing when east timor hit in 99. They just pulled the star hitters from each platoon and made up a detachment. The Marines have done this all the time and gotten good results. Not a lot of people know this.
You may have more opportunity in the army but a lot of their infantry units are really dicked up. Went to Fallujah twice with the Marines and there’s no branch I’d rather go to war with.
That’s BS. Meritorious promotions go out every quarter for FMF. SDA billets have more. If you’re a terminal Lance, then it’s simple: you suck!!! Good advice Jake! If you’re terminal Lance material. You’re better off in the Army aka Ain’t Ready to be a Marine Yet.
To anyone that is in Marine corps command anybody that actually has a billet and rank that can affect some changes need to take heed to the fact that this is an American staple this is an American icon the US Marine corps and yes we are the proud in the few but they are many many many Americans that definitely could be great Marines and they are running away from the opportunity because the opportunity does not seem worthwhile not for them and we know as Marines that your first mindset should be how can I be of service to the core i.e I have served I will be of service yet we must also take account of people also want to be a Marine to better serve themselves in their communities their families also the number one thing that I learned in leadership roles in the Marine corps is the appropriation of resources and opportunity and we need to give more resources to capable Americans and more opportunities in the Marine corps
Ron you seem like a pretty stand up guy. As a Marine I will always respect that you earned your Trident as a Navy SEAL. However, I think you’re bringing in obvious washouts from our beloved Marine Corps who do not seem to exemplify the Type A personality types that typically make the Fleet and Victor Units the meat grinders that they’re meant to be. The Marine Corps is a dog eat dog world that abrasively enforces proficiency on every MOS. Our AO’s are aggressively patrolled. Our Marines are routinely sought after by Embassies, United Nations Peace-Keeping Mission, Anti-Piracy Missions, Security Cordons for HVT snatches, Coxswain infills & exfils, and our peacetime standards are high. We eat our young and we make no bones about that. However, we are thoroughly respected for a reason. Not for propaganda purposes. Interview guys like Rudy Reyes, Brian Chontosh, or Shamus Flynn. This pity party for the Corps would immediately stop if you did.
Thats BS you finish School of Infantry before Recon Indoc.. I got hurt in RIP amd then NJPed in Tijuana Mexico and was a Recon Drop and was sent to Light Armored Recon as a scout... we always had recon drops come to line units
lol. Nobody in the Marine Corps is in for 6 years and getting out as an E-3, unless they are a shit bag. Even in a slow promoting MOS they will at minimum get out as an E-4. YES, THE MARINES DO PROMOTE SLOWER, but come on, we don't have to exaggerate here either. A little misinformative.
I’m so tired of hearing Special Operations… Shoutout to Conventional Infantry! I would rather operate in a large contingent in a RCT than being at the tippy tip of the spear. Ijs
You're competing against " Army Dudes??" 😄 Exactly what's that supposed to mean? lol Competing in what? I'm assuming Ricky Recon or Ranger Rick type $h!+. I recall assisting Recruiters with their pop-up tents and displays when I missed a drill weekend in the Guard. A Lt. Colonel, Major , E9, and a the rest were all on board at a College Fair for High Schools. I told the O's that the Public Affairs unit had put together a bad @$$ video of the Combat Arms units and that it should be on the monitors at the Army booth. The Major was a dentist and the Lt. Colonel was a neurosurgeon or something to that effect, while the NCO's and Jr. Enlisted were heavy CSS MOS's. She went on to explain that many of these kids here who've held jobs all through high school, while maintaining good grades, involved in community services, extracurricular activities in their schools that aren't necessarily athletics. (i.e.) Science Clubs, Student Council, Civics, Debate Teams, Theater & Writers Clubs, etc. Also students from the Vo Tech High Schools who have a few years autobody and mechanical repair skills coming out of high school, as well the ones who've taken carpentry, electrical and hvac classes. She went on to say " We need to fill those skill sets as much if not even more than Infantry and other Combat Arms. " Also, this type of recruit can easily go to college and many of them do. So, while we're here or anywhere else outside of our Recruiting Stations we've go to compete with the Airforce for these kids as well as the Navy. The Marines are gonna get their numbers because of what they offer or claim not offer other than being apart of the Corps and their rhetoric and tag lines. The Air Force is supposedly for the " Smarter Kids" who want to aim high. lol The Navy's next in line , especially for learning and earning a skilled trade. It's the Army that's labeled as the branch that " Takes ANYBODY. " lol. True- Not True. Seriously though there's many MOS's that Soldiers in the Army could've done in the Air Force or Navy. It's just that the Force, like the Corps has a group that's already wired ( or thinks they are) for that and have made up their minds by the end of Junior Year, where they're going and want to accomplish. She even stated that most of her peers in the field don't have time to learn their skill sets, plus think like they're a second infantry, and ready to go on patrol. If someone is in need of oral surgery or just x-rays they're going to need the attention of personnel who are trained to do it and still in some sort of classroom setting in order to learn more. That's going to probably be a Navy thing when it comes to the USMC. Let the Marines have to fill the jobs that the Navy already fields for them and see how that works as far as who they're going to have to market to in order to successfully meet their numbers. 🤔...When she said those things, it made me think a bit.., as to why the Army markets itself the way it does. One thing I noticed that day was that the Marine Corps Recruiting Team showed up with guys and girls in their red & gold t-shirts and shorts, along with two pull-up bars. 😅 And it seems as though they were challenging the kids to see their athletic strengths on the bars? 🤷🏾♂️ It works out well for them. Lastly, as far as wanna be Recon dudes joining the Army cause they only have to compete against " Army Dudes" is no guarantee they'll get through RASP or last a year in a Batt, as the 75th usually releases guys frequently for not meeting standards. 😉
Not sure where else to ask this question other than the comments section. to go through rasp become an army ranger 75th bat. you have to have a security clearance will I know if I get that clearance at Meps? Or would it be later on. I’m asking because I don’t want to join sign on the line and then be told I’m fucked because of some shit not in my control.
@@jakezweig everything is off of my record, just one thing that is something minor. I am hoping I can get my security clearance during Meps etc. not later down the road & be told I can’t go to Rasp after I’ve already signed the line. I will speak more to my recruiter about this as well. My Brother thank you for videos and response. I’m full tilt.
@@Alkp3k How do I check the status of my military security clearance? Contact your Security Officer at your service duty station about the status of your security clearance or investigation
Force Recon is just a glorified infantry unit lmao. Go through an SOF selection just to spend majority of your time on MEUs or getting drunk at Schwab. I’d recommend USMC infantry over force recon. Infantry in the fleet prepares you for the BS more than 3 months of bootcamp.
It’s not that hard to pick up you just have to get in shape run 280 Pft 290 cft you should be chilling get your belts and to attain all that you just have to go to the gym and work out and you can’t be a bitch when shit gets gay like just look at everything like a challenge
QH is a 6-year infantry contract. The MG contract (MSG and Security Forces) is a 5-year infantry contract. (2017 - 2020). this is a 20 minute interview to cover basics and give guys some insight.
As an Army Vet, and a family member of a Marine. I would not recommend the Marines to anyone. The recruiters lie more than the Army recruiters. The Admin does not take care of the lower enlisted Marines. They have a clothing AND equipment shortage. They are literally making young men who had nothing on their minds but being a Freakin Marine, hate it once they are locked in. They have a back log on training, and switch your job just like that. You never know where you're going next. Why? Cause the Marines are very unorganized. They pride themselves on doing more with less. That only affects the Marines who actually DO WORK. Don't get me wrong. They are battle tested and bad ass. Just full of s$÷t admin. Who knows. Maybe I'm wrong. I just know when I was in the Army. We knew exactly where we going. We knew in AIT we were going to war months before the war even started in 03. Our Drill Sgts had us in a room and told everyone of us who was going, because they knew our nexr duty station that we were shipping to in 12/02. Maybe the Marines are so unorganized now because it isn't a looming war. I don't know. All I know is that I saw them over THERE just like us. And they are also my brothers. But there admin f's them at every chance. Another major difference. The Marines are about Marine Pride. And trust me that is at a whole other level. The Army is about Unit Pride (82nd, 3rd ID, Calvary, etc...). Guess what though. All of us were cocky hot heads at age 18-26.
Jake Zweig -- You are officially a Marine Corps hater. Did you try to be a Marine at some point? I am writing because I cannot help but feel the jealousy in your voice when you talk about Marine Corps content.
I killed USMC training, not a hater I love the USMC. CURRENTLY IT OFFER about 5% of the opportunity that the Army does on all fronts except maybe being a pilot
I was in the Corps from ‘97 to ‘01. Got out exactly 60 days before 9/11/01. The same old schtick about “don’t join the infantry, get a skill” is worn out to me. I didn’t join the military to learn a career. I wanted to be in the military and blow stuff up. I was an 0861/Forward Observer and loved every minute of my job. When I got out, I went to college and earned my bachelor’s with the help of the GI Bill. I didn’t need the Corps to teach me to weld, code, or whatever the hell. I got discipline, hard work, and the title…yes we are underfunded but I didn’t think it was bad at all. Three meals a day, a roof over my head and great memories. I never considered any other branch when enlisting at 17.
Go USMC Infantry grunt if you want a solid military combat MOS, from there you can TRY RECON or MARSOC, you will always be an 03 if you dont make it. Being a Marine Grunt is something to be proud of. You will work your ass off! And, there is a pride being a Marine that you wont get anyplace else. In the Marines you get the short end of the stick, slow promotion, and crappy equipment, but Marines always get the job done. Whats your purpose? BEING A MARINE IS SPECIAL, you will have pride and be a part of a unique culture. Going in with a RECON contract is a huge gamble. Only the SEALS go in directly, and most dont make it, then the Navy has some crappy jobs! In the Marines or Army you gotta be seasoned with some rank before you go Special Operations, thats the culture. But, Army is bigger and has more opportunity to do Ranger, SF, Delta, etc. Its not easy, just more spots available. With an Army combat MOS the Army is way better for a long career and promotion. My nephew was an 03 in the Marines with combat deployments to Afghanistan, he loved it. Once things stopped, the Marines were shrinking and it was less of a good time. He went into the Army and is now in a Ranger battalion in Georgia. Career path in Army is better and he likes it. Though he still says being a Marine was one of his most proud accomplishments. Great interview, this former Marine is a good guy, hope all works out in his future.
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appreciate the well thought response , gonna be doing marine infantry in hopes of getting into marsoc , might consider army after if things don’t work out , chasing the combat life that I want to fulfill , if you could give any more advice that would be also great man
@@GU_671 did you not watch the video just go army man
@@mikesmith7497 what makes you think I didn’t watch it though , I was asking for more advice
@@GU_671 im sorry I didn't mean to be a dick man. what do you think your plans are still?
Love Jakes videos. Like the recruiter said they tell them the truth and people feel they are "hating on them". When Jake tells guys hey you are not going to make it. It isn't "hating". He is saving them from chipping paint for 5 years. What I love about these videos is Jake doesn't bad mouth people he just gives them reality and gives them options that might be a better fit.
Changed my mind from marines to army from your videos. In the prescreen process right now. Army rangers here I come
Boooooooom
The advice I give people is to consider what is going to happen when and if you get out I did four years in the infantry I didn’t want to be a cop or security guard or work at an ammo shop afterwards, so I’m an Electrician now.
I make really good money as a traveling industrial electrician.
I talked a guy into joining as an air traffic controller and he chose navy and got that job. He’s still in, Has a house near the beach, but he can get out at any time and make 6 figure salary at an airport with his certification.
Had a buddy who went Diesel mechanic, works at Chevrolet full benefits
You say you want to be a ranger, have you considered having permanent joint injuries? Nerve damage, arthritis, knee replacements, Go to chiropractors weekly, get some relief for a day or two, pain & aches every day. That’s if you don’t get shot.
Just consider everything. You have 1 body.
Marine infantry is what you can make of it. If you want to be shit you’ll be shit. If you want to be an elite alpha male you can be.
@@Infantrymarine0311 shit that's the minor stuff
I spent 12 years in the Marines. I wasn't recon or a CSO (critical skills operator) but because I was a small craft mechanic, I spent my first 9 years in the recon/special ops community. My first unit was 3rd SOTG (special operations training group), then 2nd MSOB (marine special operations battalion) - it was called MSOB before they changed their name to Marine Raider Battalion, then 1st recon battalion (did a pump with a force recon platoon and we were tasked with running VBSS ops in the Gulf of Aden) before I finished my career on recruiting duty. Even though I wasn't a SOF guy, I worked and trained with these dudes for the larger part of my career. I became very knowledgeable with with how recon and the raiders train, work, and recruit as well as how their selection and assessment pipeline works. I don't say all of this brag or some shit. It's just help provide validity to the point I'm trying to make.
My take on this after listening. This guy knows jack shit about Recon or MARSOC. Now your viewers are misinformed and underinformed on this topic as it is clearly evident by the comments in this video. Why couldn't you have tried to have a former or current MARSOC recruiter, or former or current Recon Marine or Marine Raider on instead so that you could've provided actual value to your viewers about this? You couldn't have picked a worse guy. He gave you the most surface level bullshit explanation of the process and the culture and basically went off on what you'd read in the recruiting brochures and yet he still gave barely any real insight. You could tell he wasn't even sure of wtf he was saying. Also - 9 years in and still couldn't make E6? I've heard the "not promoting, promotions were locked, so that's why I never made E6" excuse so many times. And he did a recruiting tour. If you complete recruiting duty, that's almost an automatic promotion to E6 because of how challenging of a duty it is. If you couldn't make E6 after recruiting, you just sucked as a Marine or got multiple NJPs (non judicial punishment). It wasn't the NJP because he would've said it if that was case.
I see you watched the interview and you felt some type of way, that is your prerogative. First of all, I’m not going to go on a rant about how I was affiliated with fancy groups here and there, blah blah. I was a regular Marine, I served my country honorably and got out right after recruiting duty. Never been NJP. Many Marines go promoted fast, many got promoted on time, many got promoted slow or didn’t get promoted. It’s life 🤷🏿♂️.
In the interview, I was sharing my opinion based on my experiences. The whole point was to tell dudes that it’s not prudent to go straight into recon off the streets. That it was better to go infantry, as a stepping stone, and then later lat move into recon. In that aspect, it comes with a bonus. Worst case scenario, if that person doesn’t make it, they go back to their original MOS. Idk about you, I just wouldn’t advise any dudes right off the streets to go into something with such high rate of failure, when they can choose a path that will get them there a guarantee more success.
If you want to be triggered and go on a rant, by all means, more power to you 🤷🏿♂️ 😂.
Thanks for your insight. I get tired of seeing nothing but Marine bashing on here. Some people just don't get it. All they talk about is toxic leadership. I am not saying that isnt true, I am just saying maybe the recruiting pool is getting a lot more soft. There was a write up about a battalion commander making his guys have a uniform inspection before deployment and they all cried like babys. Those were common place back in the day. I remember that denim shirts were outlawed in the 70's. It seems they will cry about anything these days.
@@RemoWilliams-jg4yb I came in early 80's.Never heard about denim shirts. I only knew that if you parted your hair down the middle was a sign you were a druggie. I'm also a little tired of the Marine bashing. Yes it is generational.
@@4threconmarine Each generation had their thing! I started chalking it up to just kids who really have no idea. It just shows how bad the education system is these days.
Marine Recon has become a feeder line to army SF.
More then a few former Recon Marines have made the jump and passed selection and are now serving in army SF/Special Operations forces.
There are more former Marines including myself in the Ranger Regiment as well as SF.
@@Mc007- was in the 82nd Abn from 78 to 81. That whole Division was full of former Marine Corp. Probably still is today.
@@Mc007- alot become SEALs to.. alot of guys I know did some even went to Gold team.
This is one of the many reasons why I left the Marine Corps after seven years.
I recently did an inter service transfer. Now I’m here on Fort Moore. I was recently inserted into week 12 of infantry AIT. (I obviously didn’t have to go through Army basic training)
The grass is greener on this side.
So you have 10 weeks to go?
The grass is greener were you water it. I don't begrudge anyone wanting to better themselves, but I have respect for people seeing something through. I have a lot of respect of the crusty Master Guns who didn't leave recon to go sf just because.......
There is no "interservice transfer" for enlisted. Unless your offered a Commission in another branch.
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Jake, what do you think about retired Navy SEAL Eric Deming exposing the Navy SEALS for all the lies they told about missions and people who lied about accomplishments.
Crazy ass toxic culture
Seen a lot of Lance Corporals with service stripes
I definitely had I was 7-year Lance and I'm not trying to brag about that part of that was on me yeah and still a lot of that as I was getting out they was already processing how a lot of Marines that were almost a decade in and was stuck at E5 and he's six most of my staff and my training battalion when I was at camp lejeune and los we're basically basically facing early retirements.... I was having conversations with Vietnam era Marines and Marines of the early '90s and I was telling them about all the staff sergeants in gunners sergeants that I saw that were taking 15-year Early retirement packages and they thought I was lying and it actually made them do some inquiries and calling around and hopping on online forms and finding out that I was definitely telling the truth and that was during the tail end of operation enduring freedom and the Afghan war
@@willsmith6560don't feel bad. I was in from 02-06, made Sgt in 3.5 yrs all I had to do was reenlist, volunteer for recruiting duty which is what I wanted to do but no, I got out for a female and as soon as I got out the relationship ended
There were Recon selection every 6 months when I was in back in the 80’s. Infantry is where you learn the job.
Had two ex Jarheads in my Airborne Infantry Unit at Bragg, this was late 80's, that got of the Marines and came back into the Army and went Airborne and got first duty stationed at Bragg. They were very impressed with how much better the Army's facilities, gear, equipment etc was. They like the chances for all the challenging schools to go too if good enough to go and more deployments too. Both admitted if they had it to do over, they would have went Army all along.
They didn't stick to the narrative.
And so what, two of the three company commanders at Marine Barracks Bangor at the same time were former Army Sgts. Don't know how that happened but it did. My Co was with the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment in West Germany that wore black berets before the Rangers back in the early 70's. Three enlisted were ex army including a dude that was with the 101st Airborne. My company XO at 1/3 was a former Green Beret Weapons Sgt, so was one of the Docs. My platoon had a former MN NG member and a former AD soldier that was in West Germany . Guess what? All said if they could do over,they would chose the Corps. The XO eventually went to 3rd Recon did other stuff and retired as a full bird.
Getting a little sick of the narrative that the Army is better than the Corps.The only advantage is getting a medical MOS. If you are in the army just for college money or think you have to be validated by the color of your beret, badges and tabs then you are definitely not needed or wanted in the Corps. That goes for the Navy too. Navy OCS has Marine Drill Instructors on staff. Ask yourself why. Only one title matters with us...UNITED STATES MARINE...and you can take that to the bank.
@@4threconmarine I don't think any of us said the Army was better than the Marines. I know I didn't. Well I am too old to be on this site anyway. At age 65 I am never going to be able to go back in. It's over. I apologize for my unintentional insults.
I can confirm what he said about slow promotions. When I was in in the early to mid 80's the corps was still drawing down from Vietnam and some MOS's were being phased out. I had made E4 but would have never made E5. I saw the writing on the wall and took a job in civilian life. Love the corps, but they are spitting straight facts in this video.
Outstanding podcast! Wish I had this type info 20 years ago when I was dead stuck on joining the Marine Corps. Now I am a Career Advisor by profession, and I have to say, Jake, you are doing great work. Leading by example, sharing knowledge, and helping people out in life after your time in the military is a continuing credit to our country.
@@tyroneshoemaker5264 thank you man !!!!
You do not join the Marines if you want to get married or have children.
Exactly. So many do it for bah and to get out of the barracks to only get a divorce.
Isn’t that the military in general?
@@manwithnoplan5496 nope was Marines 02-06, never thought of getting married while I was in. I was having too much fun in oki and 29
@manwithnoplan5496 Air Force has the most relaxed jobs that never see combat, same with the Navy... Army is basically a human organization where you have half the people working on desks and more focus on logistics
What are you talking about? Sure you do. You have two or three wives. The one to two kids you had with them, and the kids they bring from all the other Marines they were married to.
I was an Officer recruiter (Officer Selection Officer) out of NYC for 3.5 yrs. Recruiting over the last few years was a grind. I very much resinate with what the prior enlisted Marine felt at the end of the duty. I’m a Marine Corps infantry Officer and nothing I did compared to the stress of recruiting duty.
That said, the selling point of the Corps is that it’s a very difficult life and it takes a toll on every Marine at some point. Still, it’s one worth looking back on with pride.
I do agree with your point that your odds are higher for reaching a SOCOM unit with the Army given the sheer numbers and competition. The esprit de corps in the Marines as a service is unmatched however and I think this and the allure of “pride of belonging”are what attracts folks to the branch.
Thank you for your service man and the great comment
17 year old me joining the Corps thinking that I was going to live the commando life as a Recon Marine and then having my dreams shattered as someone explained SOCOM to me.
Keep dropping this fire content👍🏿
Good stiff Jake. Finally a USMC video on the real of the situation.
You join the Corps to be a Marine it ain’t better- ain’t worse, it’s just different. Money is tight that is for sure but that’s not why you join. If you are squared away, you will make rank. And if you want to be in recon or MARSOC and you are worthy of it you will be. You become a marine because you want to be one we don’t think in terms of LES statements, and what we’re getting from the Corps. If that mentality is not for you that’s fine and totally understandable it’s just a different culture. I don’t crap on any other branch. I think they all work just do your research before you join.. I don’t know it is hard to articulate I could go on and on and but I think that’s basically a decent explanation.
Army here:
Offered my E5 my 2nd year in. Turned it down because I wanted to complete school. Got 3 degrees ( Associates, Bachelors, Masters), and still got my E5 before by friends who were in the Marines. This is just to show you how much better and how much faster the Army promotes and provides opportunities.
But you’re not in the Marines…
@@JpRiascos lol
You have to do time in the infantry, at least 2 years, to be successful in Recon, or beyond. You need to learn all the skills, land navigation, toughening your body by doing long humps, patrolling, learning call for fire, shooting for real during live fire exercises, basically learning how to be effective in the combat arms. You’ve got to do your time, you have to pay your dues. There is no short cut to Recon and beyond.
Humping, some basic patrolling shit. Otherwise stuff your not going to do as a grunt.
Damn son. I’m 24 years old, I’ve always wanted to join the Marine Corps and I finally was dead set on signing up. I go on runs after my 10hour construction job every weekday to prepare. After seeing this video I’m signing up for Army or Air Force. I’m about to be 25. I can’t have a slow moving career anymore.
Hate that I waited so long but I just couldn’t get my life together. There’s no excuses now and I’m actually glad I seen this video. I wanted to believe that the corps got better in recent years compared to 1990s
@@kevintorres5249 send it
fastest moving carreer is Army, Airforce promotions are somewhat slow as well, and like stated here Army has the majority of the schools and a large budget.....Semper Fidelis
It’s crazy this guy only made E-5 regardless of how hard it is to ascend the ladder in the Marines, which it is, but to still not get past E-5 after a recruiting tour is unheard of.
Just based off of sheer numbers of options, the Army is the best spot for someone coming right out of high school that wants a shot at Special Operations. There’s way more opportunities under the USASOC umbrella (75th, 160th, SF, PSYOPS, CA). The scenario of going to the Army and doing BCT, AIT then going to RASP, SFAS, Green Platoon etc. just seems like a better deal as you’ll already have your MOS so if you don’t make it you know what you’re gonna be doing for the next few years at least. Thats a more informed plan for a young person trying to figure shit out. People get so caught up with earning the title of whatever it is that they aspire to be, that they aren’t thinking about what their life is going to be like for the next 4-6 years. 🔥 video! Great insight!
Wow, my cousin and uncles were Marines. My uncle served in Viet Nam. Thank you, Marine.
Love the video Jake, been waiting for this one! Can you get some Space force people on please!
I originally wanted to be a 1stMRB; however, I made a bold decision to pivot my career aspirations when California skyrocketed its minimum wage for fast food to $20. I realized that my long-term future required a strategic shift, so I boldly applied for the prestigious In-N-Out selection process
Jake us right. I setved in the Marines from '85 - '90. The service is great, but they promote very slow. I saw squared away guys getting forced out because they didn't make E5 within 8 years.
Yes sir
Tell them
So many comments here degrading the Corps by so many who had never coming close earning the EGA!! It's vcery simple; if you want to have a better chance to get a class room education, or to make money, or just an easy military life, the USMC is not for you. But if you are the one that hunger for pride and become something special, then welcome my brother/sisters...SEMPER FI!!
I love the USMC ...... you don't want them showing up in your back yard ever. The Army has a far better opportunity
I'm a USMC vet, but lets be real. The other branches of the services are more professional. From the quality of the gear to the job opportunities. The Marine Corps is dead last.
Yooooo my boy Vince . Was in bootcamp with him .. solid dude .
I’m in the Marine Corps right now. Wanted to go to selection but now I’m just looking at switching to the army next enlistment
Great plan
Good afternoon LT. I’m a former 0311 Marine from the early 90’s. Now I hear a lot about my Corps that sounds bad. I’m black and Hispanic. Never once did I see or feel racism. Also, I seen black, white, and brown Officers. Also, yes there was never any contracts for Recon. But when I was attending School of Infantry a recruiter for Recon came down to our school house and broke it down how one could be a Recon Marine. Then they had open PT test to see if Marines had a high enough PT scores they could tryout for BRC. This was all after passing SOI. I see and hear a lot of complaining about the Marine Corps. I will say this.. No one forced me, or my fellow Marines to join. Few more things. Both my sons are Marines, and both have excelled in the Corps. They both have been meritoriously promoted. One of my sons has been asked by his officers if he wanted to become an officer. So, I think anyone could be successful in the Marine Corps! Have a great day LT!
There it is
Bro if you go motor t and get assigned to an infantry unity or artillery you are not driving everyday you’re not, you are a grunt or ramming rounds and we run 25 miles a week and hump 25 miles a week. You still gotta be a dawg and Lord bless you if you get fapped out to a special operation. I did it and yes I was a dawg as an alcoholic 17 minute 3 mile runner with a damn good buzz.
Appreciate these videos I always looked for info online from experienced guys stories before considering enlisting and maybe regretting the choice .
Navy basically has the same. You can get a SEAL contract guaranteed, but have to pass the basic screening test again. If you don't pass BUDS, you get sent to whichever "A" school the Navy decides to send you.
You become a Marine to simply be a Marine. College, pay etc you go to the Army or Air Force. But yes definitely research the branch and the job you want. Ive see plenty people go to college while in. It depends on your MOS. You can’t be a grunt and expect to have time to go to school. Most POGS have time for school and most big bases have colleges.
One of my boys was a recruiter, idk why they work Monday-Sunday being that they always hit their recruiting mark. They definitely deserve more off days
Marine Corps so poor I never even got a desk to study during training. 1 out of four Marines didn't have a desk to learn maps in class. Sat on steps with map in my lap. I was shocked how fckng poor the Marine Corps is. The poorest of all the services. Desperate to remain in existence, so Generals tell Congress: " it's ok, we do more with less!"
I got a funny story from the Marine Corp’s BS model of “doing more with less”:
It’s summer in North Carolina and We hiked 15k to the range for a 5 day field op to practice shooting drills and other infantry shit. Within the first hour of shooting every rifle jammed during hammer pairs, failure to stop, and controlled pairs. You’d be lucky if you shot FTS without misfiring, no joke. After the first few waves, Staff NCOs are chilling in the shade shitting on everyone because we can’t clean our rifles. So after getting shitted on for an hour in the hot sun, me and the squad leaders come to find out that all of the rounds were botched. All of the brass had dents on them and even the primers were fucked.
After bringing this up, Company XO brought the whole company in. I’m thinking he’s gonna:
1. Atleast acknowledge that the issue is out of our control and beyond weapon cleaniness.
2. cease fire until we get new rounds because faulty rounds will destroy rifles right ?
Instead, he spent almost an hour reminding us how generations of marines have been “doing more with less” and lectured us again on how dirty our rifles were. XO and first sergeant reassured us that we are shooting until every round is fired and we should view this as a training scenario if we are in Afghanistan or some shit.
So for the rest of the day, we kept shooting botched rounds and spent so much time misfiring, that we didn’t even complete the day shoot. Ontop of that, rifles started getting seriously damaged. I think one of my team leaders destroyed his chamber shooting those things. It was so bad that we shot half of the ammo at midnight. ATP, me and squad leaders from other platoons gave the green light to bury those rounds in the dirt while staff wasn’t looking.
I don’t agree with some of the shit Jake Zweig gives marines but he’s right about 2 things:
1. The USMC is a cult
2. You shouldn’t be here during peace time
As a current Infantry Officer in the Marine Corps , this isn’t entirely accurate and has a lot of negative points without mentioned the alternatives.
You can go to recon with an Infantry contract. Either take the screener at SOI or put in a package once you get to the fleet. Definitely the smarter way to go about it without risking getting re-dessed to be a cook.
Marines promote slower but not terminally slow. You see dudes pick up Sergeant in their first contract if they’re studs.
The bit about becoming so out of shape 5 weeks into bootcamp and failing a PFT is a symptom of this recruiter signing kids who have no business going to BRC. That’s not the programs fault that’s young kids showing up unprepared.
There is an innate cultural value to being in the Marine Corps over other branches. If that espirt de corps and tradition appeals to you than it’s absolutely worth it. The green machine can absolutely set you on the right path and you’ll be given leadership responsibilities at much lower ranks than other branches . The average Marine is a better soldier than the average Army soldier and I’ll absolutely die on that hill.
Marine Intel is awesome. If you want to be a Raider as an end goal , this is a great way to build up a skillset and develop yourself as you prep in the fleet for A&S. If not selected you have a TS/SCI and some cool experience before your contract is up
Great points man!!!! Support everything I said. The Army has better opportunities with less competition and if you are a stud you will be an E6 in 5 years and I have a couple who were STUDS that made it in 4
@@jakezweig You have a lot of influence on a 17-20 year old that watches this and I just don’t want young guys to immediately be discouraged of the Marine Corps. A lot of the promotion issues are just because the Marine Corps is a smaller branch it’s not because higher Marine Corps intentionally wants to stall someone’s career.
Blanket statement that the army is better for most guys is just misleading.
Listen I made e5 in 3 years as a 11B the army has so much more money and more schools
@@teflonmusk11B 5 promotions in 3 years seems ridiculous. Rank means nothing at that point. Again it’s a difference of the size of the org. An army platoon sergeant is a gunny where a Marine platoon sergeant is a staff sergeant. A squad leader is a cpl or a sergeant in the Marine Corps.
Excellent points. Plenty of opportunities if people want them in the Marine Corps. “Find a way, make a way.“
Sounds like this recruiter signed up anyone with a pulse for a Recon contract. Something is wrong with the process if only 1 out of 20 from one station made it. In three years I would say at least five should have made it. I don't understand getting weaker in Boot Camp. I got stronger,faster and my endurance went up in Boot Camp. Had no problems with the humps at Infantry School.
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Goodluck with your future endeavors
Hey Jake, why don’t you ever talk about Navy SWCC? My son initially thought about going SEAL and met a SWCC mentor while training for his warrior contract… Not Buds … but extremely tough pipeline. His class started with 70 in prep and is down to 10. Couldn’t be happier with his choice and seems to be a great option for a young man graduating high school and looking into Navy Special Warfare. Great signing bonuses too.
Your body gets destroyed in the Boat ....go seals
Even if you go through with a recon contract you still have to go through IMC/ITB before you go to BRC so even if you wash out you are still classed as 0311,0331, etc. you’ll just get cut orders to a victor unit and have other opportunities later down the road.
One more thing I should mention that about halfway through ITB/IMC recon recruiters actually speak with the students and those qualified to try out can get packages for BRC without even having a recon contract.
lol all the recon drops get sent to be 1371 combat engineers
@@watsonrigodon5821 seems like a waste of time and money to send a marine who already went through IMC to combat engineer school
@@nickdills8848 From what I understand ; Recon contract Marines do not go the IMC route. They go to MCT and then BRC. This is why all the failures end up in some Pogtastic MOS. The Marine Corps knows most of those guys will not make it ,so some slick recruiter like this one (no offense...you have a hard job, but come on dude...1 out of 20 in 3 years ...from Arkansas ??? That's Ridge Runner /Hill Billy Heaven) signs these bright eyed kids up not really knowing anything about Recon and just how hard it really is, then they fail and go where ever the Corps needs them.
The other services do this too. So they need to chill the fuck out. The Army has contracted Rangers,Special Forces and the Navy has contracted Special Warfare. I can't speak for the Chair Force,although they do have Air National Guard PJ's that are recruited directly from the civilian world.
I did the Indoc in 2004 in SOI one morning... Run 1st class PFT, Swim 500 meters I think I forget the time, using rescue , breast, side stroke.. then have to run another 1st class PFT.. that got me to RIP.. was doing well like 7 weeks in President's day 96 I got NJPed in Tijuana Mexico well someone got caught and dropped names.. we got dropped from course.. I went to 2nd LAR .. I was bitter at 1st so I volunteered for IP in Ramadi in 2005 which was wild, then went back to LAR and worked with alot of great guys and we did alot
If you want to join the Marines and deploy just about any MOS can get you there if you get on the MEU cycle. That’s guaranteed two deployments in three years. If you want to go MARSOC, or Recon/Force the O3s are still your prime feeder. And they deploy like mad. If you just want to deploy regularly go aviation. Dets, MEUs, and SPMAGTFs. You’ll be called a pogue but you’ll be a well stacked pogue.
But if you really want to see the world, be on multiple MEUs, go SOCOM, or JSOC then you’re missing the boat if you don’t go SIGINT, or CI/HUMINT. High demand, low density MOS that they have to have on every Det. Even before the war I never met a 26XX, or 0211 that didn’t have multiple deployments and a fruit salad that looked like the entire ribbon chart.
Jay I told you I didn't like the way the Corp was selling the MARSOC contract because those would end up in RECON the contract would give them the opportunity but!!!!!! If your command was short of Marines you couldn't go or if there were Marines ahead of them they would have to wait
The running joke in the Infantry is that recon guy are just “Boots with Wings”, in the later part of the gwot they just sit on boats and don’t do anything. When I went on my 2nd deployment half of my platoon had combat experience and the recon guys were barely even on their 1st deployment but they walked around like they fought on d-day 😂😂.
Recon definitely used to go hard but now they aren’t doing shit and they all run to army sf after
Is promotion as slow for Marine officers compared to Army officers? What about AF officers?
Good question
2010-2014 USMC Infantry Afghanistan Combat Vet x2, 2/6 Golf Co.
When i was in i couldnt wait to get out
Im out and wish i would have stayed in
E-4 in 3 years and 3 months
I wish to this day i would have went MARSOC the thing is that it was never offered to us
Also these promotion statements are wild
I picked up E-4 in 3 years and 3 months
I have a buddy whose a SSGT right now on the board for GUNNY and hes been in 12 years nd he is Infantry
However i am beyond grateful i never served during peace time
When i got out i tried going to an Army Rec for a SF contract and they gave me the run around blah blah
That happens
@@jakezweig i mean i really wanted to go in on a Ranger contract then try out for GB
The Army wanted to demote me, still keep my E-4 rank however i was a Corporal in the Marine Corps they wanted me to be a Specialist and im like ABSOLUTELY NOT ive led Marines into Combat i am not about to demote myself because we all know an E4 Specialist is a different world than an E4 Corporal in the Army
I was 25 at the time now im 33 going on 34 i really dont get it
As a marine veteran if a guy wanted to go recon he had to be a grunt first, so any kid out there go infantry or radio comms first and then you can always try out for recon later and if u don't make it you won't get sent to a sh*tty mos
A guy in my unit made recon selection and we were in a light attack helicopter squadron. This was back in 05. Then my ex’s cousin who was straight up admin made recon selection too.
@@daquetreed5522 big time war time
I dislike people when asked a question, they bounce around and respond to everything else than the question
Join the Marine corps to be a Marine . No other goal because it’s always needs of the corps . If you want options and to actually do stuff go Army
Great show... Army? It is cool. But, some folks just want to go Marines. Folks should consider going Reserve Marine Force and BN Recon. Or ANGLICO. You get all the schools and glory in these particular Marine units. Selection is tough but just buy Jake's material and you will pass.
* Choose Radio Operator. That can also help. Marines are always in deep need for Comms.
Brah, hate to hurt your feelings by Recon has a deep record in the Vietnam War operating out of I Corps. A Recon guy started the concept of SWAT. Force guys were part of MACV- SOG. Haha years later there is a wild man Citadel grad who was Force with John Winn Bey and later was Delta. Just friendly sharing. You are the best! Not jockriding. Appreciate your shows. The guest was great. I am just old and add some historical context.
Everyone at SOI gets a chance to try out for Recon. Just buy Jake's material before you go. It is easier to remain in shape unlike cats trying out for SEALs in the Navy. It is upbto you.
To be fair, going out on a MEU, is the only deployment phase most young Marines will get these days.
Hey Jake. With social media being so rampant, what sources does one go to in order to stay up to date on important current events?
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@@jakezweigGreat video. Thanks
I got out as a second award E3 EAS'd 2 weeks after my 21st birthday with two deployments. And what you talk about of young guys not making selection across the branches because they just don't know what they're getting into IS THE REALIST SHIT EVERYONE IN THAT AGE BRACKET SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO! My mental capacity at that age couldn't fathom what I got myself into. looking back i realized how much I dropped the ball consistently until it finally caught up to me
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What do you think of going in the marine infantry for 4 years and then re enlisting to the navy for bud/s?
Go in the army
Just go reserve you can do everything reserve EXCEPT MARSOC which is crazy because theres even SEAL reservist
But the we're active duty then when reserves
MARSOC has a reserve detachment now, but you have to do an active enlistment first as a Raider, same as the SEALs. Great opportunity for the active duty guys to take a break and keep a foot in the door.
When I went to jump school all the Marines had to re-enlist just for jump school. All lance corporals and above. People who enlist in the Marines and go infantry need to be worried about passing SOI. Marine Infantry is an elite force in itself. No offense to the Navy Seal but you don't just go SF or Army Ranger. Very few make it. Very few. There are Marine Corp who will tell you Ranger School at Benning is no joke.
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Those slots were wasted attaboys seats when Recon and ANGLICO could hardly get school seats. We sent some of our POGs from H&S to airborne because we got activated for Desert Storm and they were sad because they were away from home.. Problem is they took about seven seats that should have went to seven of the eight Marines that just graduated ARS Little Creek a few weeks earlier. Every time I see a POG or former NROTC or Academy grad with sleds all I see is a wasted slot taken from someone who needs to go. Five Jump Chumps.....the 0321s didn't even "pin" on their wings or congratulate them.
@@4threconmarine I understand about not pinning on the wings but I was in the Army and would have wore mine even if they were not required to wear. They were part of the uniform at Ft. Bragg.
@@captainnitrousx1331 When I say "pinning" on the wings I ment punching(some call it the blood wings,but it wasn't as bad or bloody as some think, j just a little fun with the newbies) their wings into the chest and then shaking hands. We knew they took slots from the 0321's that really should have went. Slots were very hard to come by back in those days unless you were Force Recon since being on jump status was part of their T/O.
@@4threconmarine well I seen a lot of 11B s doing it. But crazy Grunt Marines brand their cheering grunts with hot clothes hanger wires. I hear True or not.
Friendly inter service jesting aside, I am tired of the whole Marine bashing crayon eating fad. A wise old Staff Sgt. told me that you better learn from all branches, cause yer gonna be workin with them shoulder to shoulder at some point. I never joined the Marines for creature comforts. I wanted to be placed in the most austere conditions. If I wanted luxury, I would have joined another branch. Yes, all roads lead to the Army. They own just about everything. I have a deep respect for my fellow green bretheren, and I have admired to grizzled ole dawgy, but working with them a lot of the times, it was not reciprocated. My guys behaved and treated them with respect. It was not given in return. The Army has had a mad on to disband the Marine Corps since WWI. Yes the Marine Corps SHOULD change certain aspects, but again, I joined them FOR the discipline and it makes me chuckle seeing videos of people that willingly joined the military, then walk all over the discipline they are trying to instill. They should have just stayed a civilian. Recon are some of the finest warriors on the planet and yes they have gotten the short end of the stick on many occasions. You cannot remove them from the MEU, MEB, MEF concept without removing that commanders SOF capabilities. I have since regular Marine 03's do amazing things, yet they get no love. Point is gents, we are all on the same team. Learn from each other and watch each other's six. I am tired of seeing vets tear other vets down.
@@RemoWilliams-jg4yb I know. I am former Army and I had little contact with the Marines or Airforce. I never screwed around or insulted them or their ways of doing stuff. Especially the Marines Combat Arms people. Everyone talks Marine Recon or their other elites but to me, the regular Marine Grunt is a tough and very well trained weapon. I hear people say I want to go Recon or how do I become a Ranger and IAM thinking if you served 4 years in a line Marine infantry unit your a well trained elite just as good as any of those Special Forces, Seals or Recon in competing on any modern battle field.
@@captainnitrousx1331 Bingo, and thanks for the kudo's. More Marines need to hear this. I have seen marine SNCO's that have been through several schools that were just plain superhuman. I remember one Sgt who went out for Recon and did the indoc THREE TIMES and passed THREE TIMES but the battalion commander would not let one of his superstars leave.
@@RemoWilliams-jg4yb Well you know during Vietnam top Marines from the rifle companies and would go to a unit training school for like 3 weeks or sometimes not and they would patrol the Laotion border and on the other side in 5 or 13 man teams. Some Gunny won the medal of Honor running a 13 man team. The point is those men were chosen or volunteered from the rifle companies. If your in a Marine company your an elite soldier like any other elite troops. Also there are Marine PFCs or Lance Corporal that can land nav or call in Artillery better than NCOs I knew in the Army.
@@captainnitrousx1331 That is what I am trying to say. Where had some SF guys with us and regular army as well, and as usual the jokes and jibes came out from them. They kept arguing with me about who was better trained. I told one officer that I had a LCPL running the FO's. He told me that there was no way possible that was running effectly until he say our 81's dropping mortars on dimes. They did the same thing when east timor hit in 99. They just pulled the star hitters from each platoon and made up a detachment. The Marines have done this all the time and gotten good results. Not a lot of people know this.
The Marine Corps is always a good choice. Terminal Lances have no one to blame but themselves.
Never a good choice
@@jakezweig - Okay, sure thing. The Navy is just so perfect. 🤣🥰🥰
You may have more opportunity in the army but a lot of their infantry units are really dicked up. Went to Fallujah twice with the Marines and there’s no branch I’d rather go to war with.
Damn!!!! Wth? 9 years, E5. That SUX.
Yup real facts
LET'S GO CHAMP
They don't call it the Hard Corps for nothing! Got these spec ops types running to the Army and Navy 😆.
That’s BS. Meritorious promotions go out every quarter for FMF. SDA billets have more.
If you’re a terminal Lance, then it’s simple: you suck!!!
Good advice Jake! If you’re terminal Lance material. You’re better off in the Army aka Ain’t Ready to be a Marine Yet.
LOL ok
To anyone that is in Marine corps command anybody that actually has a billet and rank that can affect some changes need to take heed to the fact that this is an American staple this is an American icon the US Marine corps and yes we are the proud in the few but they are many many many Americans that definitely could be great Marines and they are running away from the opportunity because the opportunity does not seem worthwhile not for them and we know as Marines that your first mindset should be how can I be of service to the core i.e I have served I will be of service yet we must also take account of people also want to be a Marine to better serve themselves in their communities their families also the number one thing that I learned in leadership roles in the Marine corps is the appropriation of resources and opportunity and we need to give more resources to capable Americans and more opportunities in the Marine corps
Ron you seem like a pretty stand up guy. As a Marine I will always respect that you earned your Trident as a Navy SEAL. However, I think you’re bringing in obvious washouts from our beloved Marine Corps who do not seem to exemplify the Type A personality types that typically make the Fleet and Victor Units the meat grinders that they’re meant to be. The Marine Corps is a dog eat dog world that abrasively enforces proficiency on every MOS. Our AO’s are aggressively patrolled. Our Marines are routinely sought after by Embassies, United Nations Peace-Keeping Mission, Anti-Piracy Missions, Security Cordons for HVT snatches, Coxswain infills & exfils, and our peacetime standards are high. We eat our young and we make no bones about that. However, we are thoroughly respected for a reason. Not for propaganda purposes. Interview guys like Rudy Reyes, Brian Chontosh, or Shamus Flynn. This pity party for the Corps would immediately stop if you did.
i had 300 pft, made meritorious corporal in 3 yrs, still got out as e5 after 8 yrs lol
LOL !!!! Yah man
Thats BS you finish School of Infantry before Recon Indoc.. I got hurt in RIP amd then NJPed in Tijuana Mexico and was a Recon Drop and was sent to Light Armored Recon as a scout... we always had recon drops come to line units
lol. Nobody in the Marine Corps is in for 6 years and getting out as an E-3, unless they are a shit bag. Even in a slow promoting MOS they will at minimum get out as an E-4. YES, THE MARINES DO PROMOTE SLOWER, but come on, we don't have to exaggerate here either. A little misinformative.
I’m so tired of hearing Special Operations… Shoutout to Conventional Infantry! I would rather operate in a large contingent in a RCT than being at the tippy tip of the spear. Ijs
You're competing against " Army Dudes??" 😄
Exactly what's that supposed to mean? lol
Competing in what? I'm assuming Ricky Recon or Ranger Rick type $h!+. I recall assisting Recruiters with their pop-up tents and displays when I missed a drill weekend in the Guard. A Lt. Colonel, Major , E9, and a the rest were all on board at a College Fair for High Schools. I told the O's that the Public Affairs unit had put together a bad @$$ video of the Combat Arms units and that it should be on the monitors at the Army booth. The Major was a dentist and the Lt. Colonel was a neurosurgeon or something to that effect, while the NCO's and Jr. Enlisted were heavy CSS MOS's.
She went on to explain that many of these kids here who've held jobs all through high school, while maintaining good grades, involved in community services, extracurricular activities in their schools that aren't necessarily athletics. (i.e.) Science Clubs, Student Council, Civics, Debate Teams, Theater & Writers Clubs, etc. Also students from the Vo Tech High Schools who have a few years autobody and mechanical repair skills coming out of high school, as well the ones who've taken carpentry, electrical and hvac classes.
She went on to say " We need to fill those skill sets as much if not even more than Infantry and other Combat Arms. " Also, this type of recruit can easily go to college and many of them do. So, while we're here or anywhere else outside of our Recruiting Stations we've go to compete with the Airforce for these kids as well as the Navy. The Marines are gonna get their numbers because of what they offer or claim not offer other than being apart of the Corps and their rhetoric and tag lines. The Air Force is supposedly for the " Smarter Kids" who want to aim high. lol
The Navy's next in line , especially for learning and earning a skilled trade.
It's the Army that's labeled as the branch that " Takes ANYBODY. " lol. True- Not True. Seriously though there's many MOS's that Soldiers in the Army could've done in the Air Force or Navy. It's just that the Force, like the Corps has a group that's already wired ( or thinks they are) for that and have made up their minds by the end of Junior Year, where they're going and want to accomplish.
She even stated that most of her peers in the field don't have time to learn their skill sets, plus think like they're a second infantry, and ready to go on patrol. If someone is in need of oral surgery or just x-rays they're going to need the attention of personnel who are trained to do it and still in some sort of classroom setting in order to learn more.
That's going to probably be a Navy thing when it comes to the USMC. Let the Marines have to fill the jobs that the Navy already fields for them and see how that works as far as who they're going to have to market to in order to successfully meet their numbers.
🤔...When she said those things, it made me think a bit.., as to why the Army markets itself the way it does.
One thing I noticed that day was that the Marine Corps Recruiting Team showed up with guys and girls in their red & gold t-shirts and shorts, along with two pull-up bars. 😅
And it seems as though they were challenging the kids to see their athletic strengths on the bars? 🤷🏾♂️
It works out well for them. Lastly, as far as wanna be Recon dudes joining the Army cause they only have to compete against " Army Dudes" is no guarantee they'll get through RASP or last a year in a Batt, as the 75th usually releases guys frequently for not meeting standards. 😉
Thanks for the amazing comment
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Not sure where else to ask this question other than the comments section. to go through rasp become an army ranger 75th bat. you have to have a security clearance will I know if I get that clearance at Meps? Or would it be later on. I’m asking because I don’t want to join sign on the line and then be told I’m fucked because of some shit not in my control.
That might happen do you have a record
@@jakezweig everything is off of my record, just one thing that is something minor. I am hoping I can get my security clearance during Meps etc. not later down the road & be told I can’t go to Rasp after I’ve already signed the line. I will speak more to my recruiter about this as well. My Brother thank you for videos and response. I’m full tilt.
Do you have dual citizenship? Do you have any felonies? If you don't i think your good.
@@Daniel-gu6ut I think I’m good then. 🫡 thank you
@@Alkp3k How do I check the status of my military security clearance?
Contact your Security Officer at your service duty station about the status of your security clearance or investigation
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Hey Jake, what's your honest opinion on the Coast Guard?
Great place shitty small duty stations very little opportunity!!!! Great organization
But if your not a stud the Marines can make you a stud the army aint doing that 70 percent of the fleet meets army sf pft standards
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Force Recon is just a glorified infantry unit lmao. Go through an SOF selection just to spend majority of your time on MEUs or getting drunk at Schwab. I’d recommend USMC infantry over force recon. Infantry in the fleet prepares you for the BS more than 3 months of bootcamp.
It’s not that hard to pick up you just have to get in shape run 280 Pft 290 cft you should be chilling get your belts and to attain all that you just have to go to the gym and work out and you can’t be a bitch when shit gets gay like just look at everything like a challenge
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Riggggghhhhhtttttt??
That recruiter sucks! And he isn’t answering the questions completely about contract years.
QH is a 6-year infantry contract. The MG contract (MSG and Security Forces) is a 5-year infantry contract. (2017 - 2020).
this is a 20 minute interview to cover basics and give guys some insight.
Read my comment at the bottom
As an Army Vet, and a family member of a Marine. I would not recommend the Marines to anyone. The recruiters lie more than the Army recruiters. The Admin does not take care of the lower enlisted Marines. They have a clothing AND equipment shortage. They are literally making young men who had nothing on their minds but being a Freakin Marine, hate it once they are locked in. They have a back log on training, and switch your job just like that. You never know where you're going next. Why? Cause the Marines are very unorganized. They pride themselves on doing more with less. That only affects the Marines who actually DO WORK. Don't get me wrong. They are battle tested and bad ass. Just full of s$÷t admin. Who knows. Maybe I'm wrong. I just know when I was in the Army. We knew exactly where we going. We knew in AIT we were going to war months before the war even started in 03. Our Drill Sgts had us in a room and told everyone of us who was going, because they knew our nexr duty station that we were shipping to in 12/02. Maybe the Marines are so unorganized now because it isn't a looming war. I don't know. All I know is that I saw them over THERE just like us. And they are also my brothers. But there admin f's them at every chance.
Another major difference. The Marines are about Marine Pride. And trust me that is at a whole other level. The Army is about Unit Pride (82nd, 3rd ID, Calvary, etc...). Guess what though. All of us were cocky hot heads at age 18-26.
BOOOOOOOM
Jake Zweig -- You are officially a Marine Corps hater. Did you try to be a Marine at some point? I am writing because I cannot help but feel the jealousy in your voice when you talk about Marine Corps content.
I killed USMC training, not a hater I love the USMC. CURRENTLY IT OFFER about 5% of the opportunity that the Army does on all fronts except maybe being a pilot
6 year commitment just to be recon is nuts
Kukku for color puffs