Retired Marine E-8 (21 years) here. Trying to get secondary schools in the Corps is very difficult. There is hardly any money and very few opportunities. I lenjoyed my 21 years and love my Marine brothers but would do things differently if I was 18 years old again.
Yo man I’m 17 and wanna join up when I graduate and possibly make a career out of the military I’ve been doing my research and after this video I’m really thinking going navy or army any advice?
Solid interview, bro nailed it. When you sit down to have these tough and uncomfortable conversations , people automatically think that you're bitter or hating. When in reality you're just warning people from making repeated mistake and from having a shitty military career.
@@Vinny6962 I had a shity military career that was going nowhere I got out honorable discharge and never look back and my life got so much better I became a farmer and I'm a hard ass farmer I guess
@@ProJoe-xb5ie Nice that's great man and what did you do in the Military why did it not work out? if you don't mind me asking I'm just trying to learn. Thankyou
@@mikesmith7497 I was 11 bravo 10 and then we got the Bradley Fighting vehicles and then I was 11 bravo Mike . I ended up at fort Hood Texas for my first duty station I learned real quick there is a lot of races in between whites black Hispanics it was almost like going in the prison you had to stick with your own race there's a lot of problems between Northern blacks from like New York and Boston and Southern blacks and Northern lights against Southern whites it was just a f****** mess so I had to stick with the big corn-fed farm boy types next football players and for good reason I was jumped by a bunch of little Hispanic guys one night I was leaving the gym on base needless to say I got some payback what's my group that I hung out with I didn't grow up being hate for a racist or any of that but I realize real quick with the real world was about back then and then we had issues with the the older Vietnam veteran guys trying to get their retirement time in and a lot of them are being forced out of the military early and I figured well if they're going to treat the Vietnam veterans like s*** then they're not going to treat me any better don't get me wrong had some good times but it really made me a tougher person. I enjoyed the training going to the national training center California and places like that and that was cool but I just didn't like all the hate I know one thing I learned how to fight
@@mikesmith7497 I'll give you my story: I joined the Marine Corps in the early 2010s as an 03XX (infantry). I got to my unit shortly after what would be their last deployment (we didnt know that at the time). We did a couple work-ups for Afghanistan but the deployments never happened. I ended up getting out after 4 years. I really enjoyed the first 3 years when we were training a lot and thought we were going to combat. Especially since all my seniors had been to combat and that was seen as the test to earn your respect. Obviously that metric had to change when the deployments stopped but I was pretty insecure about it for a long time (stupid, I know lol). Looking back, I judged myself for that harder than anyone else did. The last year sucked because we were transitioning to peace time. There still was some cool training every now and then, but there was a palpable change. We went from business and proficiency first to more bureaucracy and busy work. It was a hard choice but I ended up getting out. All that said, I still consider it the best decision of my life because all the other good ones were only possible because of it. I made the best friends and still talk to them every week and visit every year. I am now in medical school which never even crossed my mind growing up because I was so incapable of anything like that. People criticize the infantry for lacking real-world skills but I disagree. Obviously I'm not running-and-gunning for my day job but I learned more about leadership, resilience, team-work, work-ethic, discipline, mindset, and stress-management than I could doing anything else. I got to soak up wisdom from the types of guys we read about in history books. Also, free college and healthcare (as flawed as it may be) is a huge benefit. Would I encourage a young man to join? That's a tough one because A) I don't know what the Marine Corps is like now days and B) the military does seem to becoming more political and less focused thanks to the spineless flag officers...... That said, I'm sure that's what all the guys before me thought too. So, you read all that for me to say I can't give you a recommendation one way or the other. BUT what I can tell you with 100% certainty is this: Follow your convictions and no matter where you go make the most of it. If you keep a positive attitude and do your best, you will get more out of the worst experience than a negative person will get out of the best experience. It will all buff out in the end, I promise. Best of luck and Semper Fi.
I served as an Army , NightStalker. We had an incredible guy come to us from the Marines. Learned a lot of things I never knew about the Marines. He definitely deserved to be a NightStalker.
I know a rescue swimmer in Navy. Flies in helicopters as a awr. He was prior marine. He said during a ceremony he was drilled for sock color in front of his wife. Said he was done there. He remembered making friends with the navy rescue swimmers and did that. Said its so much better and everyone is treated well after a few years of the required training.
Marine is tip of the sword. Not trying to get promotions. How can you sign up for something without knowing the sh it show your signing up for. If your slow than your gonna be a replica. If you have a mind you might rank up. You want to be a leader while trying to make friends? Even in the regular workforce that's not how your supposed to operate.
Every Marine I’ve ever met expressed pride. And was proud to be known as a Marine. I’ve never met a service member who introduced themselves as a sailor, soldier or coastguard, or was proud to be referred to as such. 🤔 They go out of their way to introduce themselves as an operator, as if that’s its own service. Marines don’t have to do that.
lol what? wheres the pride in being a marine? they push everybody through boot camp you don't earn shit, so what are you talking about? you either didn't serve at all or your a moron.
Man I’m a former Marine Corps recruiter 15 years in and I’ll tell you he is not lying. It’s hard to get promoted, school seats suck, no money, poor training. During peace time Marine corps sucks compared to other branches.
I mentioned in other comment. I know a Marine, he became a Navy air rescue swimmer after being berated in front of his wife snd kids for the color of his socks.
Wish I had a dude like Jake mentoring me early on. Important channel. Im in the medical field but similar emotional and physical toll to get to where I am now, but I advise the younger generation on similar paths with less toll on mind and body. Great interview!
Literally was a day away from joining the corps because of the uniform and the aura of the marine corps, ended up talking to a army recruiter and he offered me 3 things the marine recruiter didn’t, free college, airborne school, and a bonus. Now im a 11c in the Army and am glad I didn’t join the marine corps eventho I have insane of amount of respect for them.
@@cbs1219 for you I bet it was, for me, Army was the way. If I would’ve got offered a bonus and airborne, I would be in the corps right now, my desire to jump out of airplanes outweighed just joining the marines for the uniform and brotherhood, that’s just me though. Anyways, I respect all my military brothers, we all served for our country and we are all brothers and sisters at the end of the day 🇺🇸🤙
Retired Marine (20 years), joined a few years pre GWOT. Peacetime Corps and wartime Corps is very different. The Corps isn’t for everyone. I loved it and learned a lot. The suffering, discomfort, misery and stress made me stronger. Did it suck, absolutely. I am better and stronger for it. I actually served with several prior service AF, Army and Navy that left their branches to join the Corps. Some of them were Sgts and even a couple of Officers. They lost their rank to earn the title of Marine and start from Square one. I was stationed at an SOI at one point and met several of prior service who left a lot of strips or their song bars back I the Army, Navy or AF to become Marines. There is an intangible pride that comes from getting hand me down gear and dealing with the bullshit in the Marines.
Left the Corps as a SGT in 3 years 7 months and great potential, and went to commission in the Army. Best decision I have made. the Corps offers itself to people who get away with treating people like sht, very proud to be part of the deadliest cult to exist, but people are treated like trash
Four years in the Marines and I had no intention of reenlisting but the Marine Corps made me successful in life. I wouldn’t trade those four years for anything.
As a Marine(former active), I think one of the main gripes especially amongst the combat arms is that the non combat Mos has a lower cutting score for promotion than combat arms. I was done watching dudes That I knew got in the same time as me get E-5 in two years. Most grunts end up being Lance Corporal lifers. Sadly the Corps. Is a good experience but not a career. I became an 0321 (Recon) to get out of the BS of the line company, however there is no real incentive to do so. What brings most guys into the higher tiers is motivation to do so. When I joined the Army infantry I was shocked by the amount of NCO’s in one company. They offer tangible incentives to join Ranger Batt or going to Selection. Corps. It’s time to tighten up our shot group..
Not all POG mos promote fast... Source : got out as E-4 after 8 years 2 good cookies , 2 NAMs, Combat Action Ribbion4.8/ 4.7 Pro cons Mos was close to E-5 for 3.5 years
@@jakezweig The funny thing I could have stayed in as E-4 would of been promoted the month after I got out . My SgtMaj at the time when I was checking called the MGSgt over our MOS and asked why I was still an e-4 and he said oh shit we thought he was out already. The problem was that we had alot of e-5 lateral move into the MOS for reenlistment which mad our small MOS full of alot of E-5's.
I agree with you guys when it comes to rank in the Corps. I've seen squared away guys do 20 years as a E6 the other branches probably E8 or E9. Semper Fi
It took me 3.5 years to pick up E4 because of my MOS. I had 280 PFT, 4.7 4.7 pros and cons, expert shooter,etc. Shyt sucked. Promotion is terrible. Smh
I had a similar experience during my four years in the USMC during mostly peacetime. There was a couple stabbings in the barracks. One fatal. My buddy bled to death on the couch in the duty lounge (Camp Pendleton). Court Martial went on from March to December 2000. I knew the other guy to (roommates put together cause they didn't get along). Other guy was an alright guy too, but they just went from hands to knives one night. Had a sergeant glass one of my roommates in the face and neck in Okinawa in a fight that was fueled by alcohol. Glass missed his jugular vein by a centimeter or so. He was lucky to live. A Corporal kicked the sergeant in the face breaking his nose and likely saved my roommate. Me and another Lance mopped up their blood. Sergeant (E5) spent a couple nights in the brig, and flew back to the US with us and was slapped on the wrist. Wasn't charged, but wasn't recommended for reenlistment. Shitty NCO leadership anything below E6.
@@mikehayes2706 Semper Fi. Yeah I was there that night and knew both individuals. I was interviewed by the defense lawyer and went to the court martial.
@@daviddowidat3478 Semper Fi, I remember PT formation that Monday morning, company gunny told us what happened. I also remember the beer bottle incident @ Camp Hansen. Right before Christmas, I think. Didn’t Heineken sponsor a half marathon that day?
Totally agree with what you think about the Corps.. I miss it since ive been out this past month, but then I remember all them pointless formations in the rain cause motor t trashed the barracks, or not being able to deploy cause of lack of unit funds, no cool trainings like ranger or airborne, nothing. But hey at least we got the title hahahaha!
What makes you think airborne is cool bro? Look up the Airborne timeline. Don't be so easily impressed, only the Rangers make basic static line jumps look cool.
Personally I don’t think SEALS should be so young. I understand their bodies are young and can handle stuff but a 21 year old dude still isn’t a “man” yet. They don’t have the mental fortitude as a 25-30 year old man would and I believe that’s far more valuable than just a simple young healthy body who doesn’t have the mental part on top of it
The brain doesn’t fully develop until around 25. We’re asking kids to make life and death decisions. Some obviously can-the SEALs pull off some impressive stuff. But that’s a LOT of responsibility for a person you just let drive last week.
@@donyoung5091 The mentality and smart decision making that a full grown man would make in combat far surpasses physique it’s been proven time to time. I don’t understand why they still do this. I mean I do but mainly don’t see the greatest outcome of it. Having children become special operators. Look at the SAS. Most of them are 30+ years old and are doing fine. A lot them also don’t go walking around saying they are a Navy Seal either. Yet another trait only a “boy” would make
Nah you want them young Soo they will not second guess the crazy shxt they have to do you don't want a family man that might worry about his family , same way you don't want an old guy being a new recruit fighter pilot.
@@WSNight- Yeah but a guy in his 30’s would be more intelligent and mature than a man in his 20’s therefore easy to understand the task at hand and will have less fear of death if they don’t already have a family. People are having families later now towards their 40’s than their 30’s
Really appreciate the perspective, especially the part where y'all called out that not even Above Average men are making it through selection I'd never thought of it like that, but that lines up with what I observed in my regular enlistment
I was a Marine Grunt for 8 years -I was lucky to get a “combat deployment”( stood post for a seal team and took a few rounds) most of my peers never went anywhere -Most of my buddies went army sof and the ones that failed sfas are studs in the 82nd and 101st - I was begging my commander to send me the more advanced courses so I could expand my knowledge and they told me “it’s not a promotion requirement and we can’t afford to lose you for a few months” I bounced to the civilian tech industry and I never thought about going back again 😂😂😂
@@Andrewski-c2xterrible plan. Why would anyone care wat u have to say after everyone here is explaining how bad it is and you decide to still go. No one is going to keep explaining the cons to you and no one will care when ur suffering while ur in.
@CrypticMonk-mb2dj my life is pretty miserable, there is things that is happening around me, and i dont want to be apart of. Im trying to accomplish something in my life that I'm proud of. Im 20 and I'm done with trying to be a civilian. I went to trade school. Welding companies tend to hire experienced welders. I tried becoming a fire fighter. There only hiring ex law enforcement and ex military. Im not going to college becouse it's a waste of time and money. I would be a park ranger but that means going through college that I would never pay back. I live in a run down building. I tried doing alot of different things. Its seems like the military is a way to get out. Might as well challenge myself, and be proud of it the rest of my life. Quick question what have you done with your life? I have never met a marine and they said they regretted joining.
It’s a good place to go for a 7 year tour , after that , and along with the grit you showed up with and if your under 30 , you have a very good chance of getting through BUDS , the former Marines who sign up for BUDS , they have better odds of getting through . I learned that from this channel, you have to give a twin gun salute to all good Marines .
If you truly want to do it then do it. Don’t let a few knuckleheads distract you from your dream. Just look at your options for mos’s. Do your proper research
@@papij3680 I joined so when I turned 50, I wouldn't have to say "I almost joined the Marines". How many soldiers, sailors, and airmen would say that about their military branch?
I was interested in joining the military because I have Chinese language ability. Was dissuaded out of it by someone who said "the military is the kind of place to train you to be a Asian language linguist, then they'll send you to Afghanistan"
The only thing worth joining the Corps is MSG (embassy guard). I picked up Sgt in my 3rd year, the work and training was awesome, the extra pay is wonderful, the TS/SCI you get gets you paid after you EAS, and there’s hardly any BS to deal with in your everyday work. Only caveat is you can’t be married, it’s preferred you have no kids, and you need a clean record to be able to pass the background TS clearance.
Question: When I was in (90’s), you could not enlist for an MSG contract I believe. They wanted mature Marines. In my son’s boot camp platoon.. one guy says he is going MSG. Is this normal? That sounded nuts to me.
@@geoffsmith76 MSG is volunteer. no such thing as a MSG contract. Possibly things have changed but they want Marines who have been in at least 3 years before going to the program.
Jake I wish I could have met you about 30 years ago. I have been a cop for 24 years and not a day doesn’t go by where I don’t kick myself in the ass for not going to the military. My Junior High football Coach was a Grenada Army Ranger and one of my biggest mentors. I wish I would have done it. Thank you for your service and thank you for being a positive role model to the younger generation and helping them
Discovery channel, books, and movies worked like magic recruiting people, but war is technology / cyber oriented now. It's going to take a major incident to invade another country after the bad taste people have from the last 20 years imo, including the withdrawal. Recruits these days are signing up for 4 years of kindergarten
When I was in the 101st Airborne it was great when we deployed. People respect each other when they're armed. It was when we got back to the barracks in Kentucky when things really were bad because of all the time people had on their hands to mess with each other's lives.
I did 5 years in the Navy (HM2)….Four year enlistment with an extra year extension “at the convenience of the government”. I was incredibly lucky, as the only time I set foot on a ship was when my old roommate was in port. He had gone to BUD/S for the second time, rang out and got sent to a ship. Tiny berthing spaces, and it reeked, smelling like a combination of ass & desperation. I am so glad I never had to go on one of those things. Got out when my enlistment was up and never looked back.
I was on track to enlist in the Marines before my father and other Vets I knew spelled out the truth about all of this as you stated. I ended up in the Air Force instead. I had more privacy, was treated better, full educational opportunities. It was as close to a civilian job as the military gets, peacetime anyway.
Natural progression. Marine Infantry to Army. Plus the Army loves Marines. I saw it myself when I went into the Army after my active time in the Marines. You don’t have to go to Army Basic Training. You are already a well trained grunt and they love it.
This was way back in the 80's, had two Soldiers in my Platoon at Bragg that had got out of the Marines after one enlistment and came back into the Army. They both were Grunts and had a chance to go Airborne and got to be apart of the 82nd Airborne. They were so impressed with how much better the equipment and gear the Army had, and way more opportunities for other challenging schools to go to. They both wished they had went Army all along the first time.
I 100 percent agree with ya'll that it will be the rangers and green berets first to see combat. I served as an infantryman at fort hood for 4 years. I wish when I joined the army I knew what a ranger was. Because in basic training most of the guys had ranger and SF contracts. If I had a do over again. I would have definitely gotten a ranger contract.
Guess promotions vary depending on your NEC/MOS. I was a Corpsman. Enlisted as an E-1, got a meritorious promotion to E-2 when graduating boot camp. Made E-3 within the first year. Made E-4 a year later. I nearly aced the test for E-5 and barely squeaked by the final multiple for promotion, so E-5 at 3 years, 3 months. Thing was the time in grade requirement to take the test for E-6 was three years, so I wouldn’t be eligible to even try for E-6 until nearly 6-1/2 years and based on the final multiples (mins total points to need to be promoted) that guys needed to make E-6 meant that I would need to score like an 85 out of 80 for promotion- meaning it was impossible. I’d have to wait until probably the 8 year mark to go from E-5 to E-6. As a young guy with a wife & newborn son, the idea of no promotion for nearly 5 years was the clincher. When my enlistment was up, I boogied. In the civilian world there was a recession and NOBODY was getting out, but I was. Met with the detailer just for the hell of it. They offered me two Fleet Marine Force options or a ship out of Long Beach. I looked at both of them, I literally laughed out loud at them and said, “no thanks, I’ll just get out”. All of the guys I worked with said “you’ll be back”. I knew there was ZERO chance of that. I left the Navy & never looked back. I’m glad I joined, as I needed the direction & the confidence. I’m also glad I got out. Life is so much better on the outside. It was like many of those who said “you’ll be back” were like guys institutionalized in prison and just couldn’t see themselves doing anything but being in the military. You don’t face to worry about where to go, where to eat, what to wear because you have no choice. I got what I needed from the military and then what I needed most was the get the f*** out. Being in military was the best job I ever had. It was also the worst job I ever had.
I completed USMC OCS in 2004 (air contract). I did the plc program so I was able to observe some changes from 2003 to 2004. Enjoyed the video and all of the truths therein! Training at OCS is the full extent of my time in the military but I've been serving ever since then as a nobody in society with a military bearing. "Active veterans" or "real ones" in California are getting trashed right now. We asking to be crapped on. Trying to do real good is like trying to save someone who is drowing and they want to fight you or pull you down. Thanks for bringing the deep insight on how Marines fight each other during peacetime. Id like to believe thiugh that because my training was during wartime, it was harder than it is now, especially after 20 years of liberalism in govt. I wasnt prepared enough to be an infantry soldier. But I was also resented for being an air contract, and they could smell that I wanted to be a pilot more than infantry and the DI's and platoon commander really gave me extra attention. Dont ever eyeball and mean mugg your platoon commander! I got with the program after suffering huge isolation and heat from DI's. Started to observe some changes in the military I did not like, (Woodland to digi camo, black boots to tan), and lietenant colonels speaking as though they were soft. The hypocracy of many senior officers and especially the civilian heads/secretaries! I was like the "Private Pile" of my platoon, probably for being too skinny, and for being an air contract without the aggression needed to be infantry. Being a colored person didnt help as there were only 2 others in my platoon. Figured at the time it would be better to live to fight another day against an enemy that was more of a real threat to the USA than Afghanistan. Its not right to get treated like crap for a cause like Afghanistan. But for an existential threat, I could see how it would be worth it. Decided to take my lessons learned and serve outside of the military. I saw a hole/opening in the security of the "homeland" and saw that it needed to be filled. I spent the last 20 years focusing on correcting (trying) people's behviors in public and educating people on what only veterans and service members and I think particularly officers (for being a part of the presidential line of succession and for having higher quality training), understand. Corrected hundreds of people's behaviors on the roads and highways as a truck driver. Hundreds of people on the streets and sidewalks, and at the check-out line; Stay in your lane, dont litter, watch your language...and, presenting myself as a punisher to prevent said things from happening in the first place. I call the police every week on problematic repeat homless law breakers. I've even sung Marine Corps cadence running around the park, keeping viloent criminal illegal immigrants away. I didnt use my college degree for 10 years, thinking that someone would recognize my achievement and hire me to work in management. Or believing I was helping women who complain about income inequality by doing mans job and staying out of education. Nope it was only a pipe dream. Most of the population here in Californa know nothing about the USA, few people know the order of importance to life. OCS counts for nothing when applying for a civilian job. Now I teach and correct students at public schools as a substitute teacher. It comes easy because its what I've been doing for free for so many years. As tough as it is being a substitute teacher, it is still better for me than a being a truck driver. Love your spirit brother Jake. Put me on your video if we can be allowed to talk about my unique 20 years of service without pay. I know Im a weird and unusal one, but i guess I wasnt fit for the military or the Marines and instead I fight to defend the American people IN THE WAY I WANT TO FIGHT and in the way that Im beat at fighting.
@monchan8 You had an aviation contract? What did you end up flying? My son went to OCS at Quantico, then TBS, then flight school, blah, blah. How long did you stay?
@escapedfromnewyork I only did the OCS. it was around the time of the First Battle of Fallujah so it was extra brutal. I was wrong for not wanting to be a Marine enough. Needed to complete last year of college to earn my commission but fell out of schoolwork and the program, had doubts anyway about serving in Afghanistan. Spend the last 20 years serving the people of the USA instead, correcting the things we let go as nothing, but that some of us know what it leads to.
What they say is true. I went in the 80’s. The Marines did not have special forces. The tell you the Marines Corps needs come first. It instills something in you that never leaves you. It was the best decision I ever made.
Dang I was about to say before he started @ 1:40. They practically eat eachother in peace time . Is it still like that given the funding we see today, atleast seen from the outside in , it looks like hard chargers still ?
100% Jake. I spent five years in the Marines as a Cannon Crewman. It's a very fine service branch. With that said, you're 100% correct. The Marine Corps. prides itself on being "Basically Trained". They take that concept seriously. Specialty schools are only available if a Marines' specific MOS requires the training. The promotions are indeed very slow. When I was in it took about 7 years to reach the rank Sergeant. Seven years in other branches, one could reach the rank of E6 or even E7. The Marine Corps. will grind a person to a pulp. Desertion rates are high in the Corps.. 3 guys in my unit deserted.
I got out of the Marines in 1990 and enlisted into the Pennsylvania National Guard (28th Infantry Division) and was accepted in the Long Range Surveillance Detachment, 104th Inf. My Team Leader was a SSgt and a former Marine. LRS104 sent him first to Ranger School then to Airborne School. Not even going to get any of that on active duty Marine Corps. I asked him if he would enlist in the Marines if he coukd go back in time. I'll quote him here, "NOPE! The Marine Corps. abuses it's people".....
I cant remember the name of the little base, but I had a joint training exercise in NC. It was with a Marine air defense cell. The bathroom was literally a closet. I had never seen a training exercise with more attention to detail and professionalism. Say what you want. Marines train and make the most of what they have. I am the son of a Marine, but gained so much more respect for Marines watching them train.
I started in the Corps in 2009, fast forward 2019 I enlisted in the FL Army National Gaurd as a 13M FA Chief on a HiMARS. Great interview. Now an E6 finally lol.
I joined the Corps as an MP from 97-01. No combat and yes the Corps is a cult like environment. But the level of professionalism we had was higher than the other services in my opinion. As an E3 we had more responsibility with troops than Sergeants had in the Army. The Army was being watered down at that point in becoming more civilized which Marines saw it was weak. We did MP School at Fort Mclelland Alabama with the Army so we saw it first hand. Marine Corps was really picky about who they recruited back then compared to the Army and Navy and showed it the quality of troops I worked with. I came back to the Corps from 2008-16 being medically separated. I was a 32 year old corporal and was surprised how watered down the Corps had became to the point that it was similar to what the Army was in 1998. I also noticed the kids were more entitled and had unrealistic expectations to what they would get out of the Corps. For me, I first joined to get out of the routine I had and do something more meaningful which I did. I came back because the 2008 Financial crash wiped my family out and there was not much going on out there so I had to make it work. Kids thought it was like Call of duty but were immediately let down with the reality of what the military wants to do with you. It’s a peace time situation where now the Corps needs to reduce its numbers and so promotions are slow as well as opportunities. The draw down which began in 2015 is still continuing so the Marine Corps only real mission are the MUEs (which is a great way to see the world). I am proud of my service and am thankful that I joined the Corps. It was misery in every aspect and it is a cult which is why it is not meant for everyone. Don’t join for opportunities, join because you want to be a Marine and embrace the suck!!!
I had the opposite happen and wanted to join the Marines but the Marine recruiter was at the far end of the Navy recruitment and when I walked in the Navy recruiters pounced on me and I told them I was there to see the Marine recruiter and they were no way you have to talk to us first and I told them I wasn't interested in joining the Navy but I was surrounded by 4 Navy recruiters and wouldn't let me see the Marine recruiter and they talked me into going to MEPS that night but when I got to the point I was going to pick my job they offered me like 3 suck ass jobs and I refused to join and the Navy guys were so pissed at me and I was equally pissed them at them and next day the Marine recruiter asked me what happened and I told him but I told him I'm no longer interested in joining and I always wondered what the Marine recruiter said the Navy a-holes but 6 months later I ended up joining the Army.
N.A.V.Y which stands for Never Again Volunteer Yourself. I learned that lesson after 4 and a half years. That's why I ended up going to US Army after the Navy.
Always surprises me when the Marine Corps sucks that dudes like this complain. In 2016 this dude didn’t have available information to know what he was getting into? The Marine Corps is small, and has the toughest recruit training and prides itself on the title Marine which is very different than the other branches. If you are looking for guarantees at opportunities to be special forces of course go Army. Or if you are some really really rare dude who has the ability to become a Navy SEAL than join the Navy. But if you are an average dude just looking for for the opportunity to build your character and to be part of a brotherhood who will kick ass in time of war than go Marines. I would take the average Marine over any other average service member from another branch 100 out of a 100 times. Too many clowns get suckered into thinking they are special forces material when they are not and end up just in the Navy or Army which is for the masses and from what I see have lower standards. Quit whining and suck it up if you joined the Marines thinking you were going to be a SEAL or Green Beret.. your not.. but you joined the Marines which made you different and in many ways better than 90 percent of the masses in the the other branches. Semper Fi
Yeah for sure. Or, if you're able to make it through their pipelines, Combat Control or Pararescue in the AF do some of the coolest shit with skills transferrable to the outside.
"If you want to get ducted taped between two mattresses and thrown off the 4th deck, that's your business...." - that line cracks me the hell up! Tell me he's lying hahahaha
I served ‘86 to 2014. Retired as a E-8 because the Marine Corps combined MOSs and shrank the billets. My MOS goes from 18 MGySgts to I think it was 6. I picked up MSgt at 18 years. About a year after that they started eliminating MOSs and consolidating them. Promotions dried up and became super competitive in the Air Wing. Anyway, my first enlistment was infantry. My first duty station was 1/4 at MGAGCC 29 Palms. About 6 months later we swapped battle colors with 7th Mar Division from Pendleton and I was 3/7 in peacetime ops. We deployed 2 west pacs. Philippines and Thailand. Then 60 days in Okinawa, a 30 day MPS float and a 30 day USS Kennedy float. Some Marines deployed to the Horn of Africa 60 days at a time and we did a lot of training at Ft Irwin. Like he said, lots of shenanigans and hazing but also a lot of love for one another. Not a lot of CQB then. More open desert training, amphib landing training, and Helo Ops. I made corporal in 3 years. When reenlistment time came, first termers couldn’t reenlist in the grunts and I lat moved to the AW. Shenanigans there too; however, all my deployments were too Iwakuni. The Marine Corps is about the Marine Corps first. I don’t know if it’s still like that. Meaning, if you need to go to an MOS or PME school but deployment or mission comes first, you’re not going to school. Then get shit on for promotion. I seen it happen to many good enlisted Marines. Never officers. Officers get their schools and training.
I ets'd inMay1987. If you have a good GT score you can get almost any MOS, many with fat bonuses. Guys with mediocre GT's were re-enlisting as a helicopter crew chief, which really was a cool job. Flight pay, etcetera. Guys with some college time were re-enslisting for Warrant Officer/Flight School, also a sweet job if you pass the schools. I was gonna go in the operating room technician job, but I didn't.
are you considering a follow-up on the Keith Mullen death? Geary was on SRS saying the doc did nothing wrong. After watching your vids on it, I kinda felt like he was BS'in. He said the docs did nothing wrong and said Mullens had a raspy throat (no sipe, no pneumonia). Autopsy even listed pneumonia
It is a great place to start but it has little opportunity. I am thankful to the Marine Corps for taking me. However, I had to switch services for longevity.
Knew one guy that was locked on, he’s either gonna be Commandant or SMaj of the Corps. He picked up Sgt in two years in the Marine Corps post combat period but pre official peacetime in the infantry. Probably the best or second best Marine I had ever known. He’s likely Staff Sergeant Espejo now, shout out to him.
Served from 90-94. The Marines do the worst job when it comes to retaining junior enlisted. There is no clear career path or mentors to guide you to what your life might mean after another 4 years in. We lose a ton of quality Marines simply because of that fact
I agree with my fellow Marine’s, but keep in mind what is our Mission? The Corps does not veer. I served 21 years in the Marines after retiring I got a job and finished raising my kids. And went on to college. Yes joining the Air Force, Navy, and even the Army and learn a vocation.
I got out in 2013. Every marine that stayed in from my peer group got kicked out for hazing. There was a peacetime purge of combat experienced NCOs under amos for whatever reason.
Yall not lying about marine corps not promoting…I was an avionics pog on harriers (five year contract because of schooling) and got corporal right before I got out..and had a great pdt and pro/cons …but shot marksman lol..even though we only needed to shoot once at year in that mos lol
The shenanigans exist in every branch, i just think it's more direct in the Army and Marines. The thing is young members don't know what the shenanigans are or how to avoid them to have truly successful careers.
Great podcast Jake, this one hit close to home. I served from 2011 to 2015 with 2 Afghan deployments as a 0811 (artillery) and I also had the itch to go back in under my IRR time at a 0341 (mortarmen) I have this itch and regret that I didn’t serve in the high capacity or at least have the opportunity that was presented to me by the recruiter to serve in a sniper platoon or reconnaissance unit. Otherwise I wouldn’t have joined. Even tho I have 2 deployments and a CAR from being in a couple gunfights . It’s just not the capacity I wanted to serve and I refused to reenlist and and be lied to again and waist another 4 years of my life. I wouldn’t advise my son to join the marines, but like you said, plan for fail safes and I agree Rangers and Green berets walk the talk the Marine Corps sells. Since being out I’ve done law Enforcement and now am a Flight Paramedic working on my RN.
I got 24 years in as a Cop brother get out of law enforcement go do that nurse thing and make that money and not worry about the world hating you because you’re job.
I know there’s a program in the marines where officers can leave the marines and go directly to the army and keep their rank, my old xo captain he went directly from the marines to special forces, I do not think he did any regular army time beside special forces, I mean I met him in my company I was a supply dude for a SF company
My first SgtMaj in 29palms told us he talked to some old marines and hazing didn’t become wide spread until Marines got bored. Doing the day to day (PM’s, gear lay out, armory days) Marines get bored, what better to do than fuck with the boots
Be as it may, I've never regretted my decision to get into The Marine Corps. In my personal experience, our unit (Plt, CO, Bttn) had the special bond, brotherhood that endures for the rest of our lives, hazing is just a part of the daily life. If the USMC is a cult, I'm a proud member of this cult. Yes, it was hard, you trainned untill You're totally spent but I'll never regret my decision. I'll love the Marine Corps for the rest of my days.🤔🤔🤔🤔 OOORAAAAH!. Semper Fi Brothers!.
I was in 1984-1989, many Marines I met had nice recruiters who strongly suggested they join on "Open Contract." In recruit training, probably we had close to 75% open contracts. Let's not highlight the principle of integrity or lack of it. Marine Corps is largely focused on its culture. There are many who want to be bad asses in the Marines and don't question the ethos.. The culture and leadership may either be healthy or semi healthy or outright toxic. I don't regret joining the Marine Corps. No. When my COs were asking me to re-up, I told them, I was getting out. I didn't care about any bonuses, zero, not even $50,000. What I regret is not having gone Regular Army. I did two years in the Army reserves. I would strongly advise all applicants, be careful what you wish for, don't join no matter what on an open contract, do three years at a guaranteed MOS. We had a few Marines who only did three years. How? They told their recruiter if they don't get 3 years, they are joining the Army. The Army offers more benefits, MOSs, training schools, duty stations. Even as a former Army reservists, I was able to have two MOSs. The Marines culture is not going to change anytime soon. I was a 35 months Lance Corporal. It was a tougher time, but I made it. Boot Camp was challenging but definitely nothing compared to Infantry Training School..
Went 8 years Naval Aviation. The royalty of the armed services. Spent 6.5 years in Japan, always on deployment but getting the easy street of being at sea. Always traveling, got to see 10 countries in 8 years. Made E-5 in 7 years but I also made E-3 three times. Lol
Wish more people got this kinda info. I went Navy and got Corpsman, wanted IT. Medically discharged from boot. Fellow brother from another DIV got discharged for Sickle Cell Trait.
As great as the Marine Corps is and how good their recruiting is, they need to be more honest about what the organization is and what you should expect. Anyone thinking about joining who might be reading this, your life will be the Marine Corps and it’s not an easy life. It demands that you give it everything and that’s honestly what it takes to keep make it what it is. Keep that in mind
I wonder how much would PanAm pay if they were still around and how would that company look like in 2024... would their legendary flights still be top notch and we could compete with Qatar or Emirates?
Squid veteran here! 1997-2003. Got hurt in BUDs, DOR’d and officially after 18 months you CAN get orders to go back but, your command won’t endorse you because they need the watch standers on ships. I was an undesignated fireman so I got out in a steam turbine power plant on a 30 year old rust bucket POS that gets NO BUDGET a gator freighter LSD. (Dock Landing Ship). Did 3 WestPac floats, 6 months each. 1998 13th MEU. 2000 15th MEU. 2002 31st (the Dirty Worst) MEU. Then instead of just taking the MM3 test, I put in a package to go to Master At Arms A school, had my CMAA endorsed me, fucking professional development board was all Filipinos and wouldn’t do shit for a white American Citizen! Said nope, get your ESWS pin & re up for 36 months. I said fuck that, I struck Gunner’s Mate so I could still feel like I was actually in the military and not be some slave on a cruise ship. Got the fuck out less than 30 days after getting back from my third deployment. Greatest fucking feeling in the world! I can still feel it when I hear “Streets have no name” by U2 on the radio because driving out of San Diego that was on the radio. FTN: FUCK THE NAVY!
IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE A MARINE DONT JOIN AND IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE A MARINE WE DONT WANT YOU EITHER. Marine for 26 years from enlisted to officer SSgt to CWO to LDO and in division for 15 years retired out of SOCOM. I have NOTHING to say bad about the Marine Corps. If you want to get into it then the Marine Corps is the place for you. If you want to mark time and get benefits its not the place for you much like the Ranger Regt its not a place to hang out its a lifestyle. Theres a certain type of person who goes into the Marine Corps and likes it. Most even those who join arent those guys even though nearly all of them loved their time in and loved their fellow Marines. Personally I dont say anything bad about the Marine Corps because they always told me the truth. "You want to get eyeball to eyeball with the enemy? then you came to the right place. We garrantee you combat in your first enlistment. And life isnt going to be easy. We like everything harder with less help than any branch. IF you want something else then go somewhere else".
Retired 20 year MA1 in the Navy. I was unaware you couldn’t make E5 on your first enlistment. I will say the Marine Corps develops real leadership. E3 and below are dumb as a box of rocks. By the time someone is E4 or E5, they’ve been leading troops and know their job much better than we do in the Navy. They really take care of their people in a way to be admired. I made E5 in 4 years and I was totally unprepared for that responsibility. I had to learn how to lead on the fly and by the time I learned everything, I made E6 almost immediately and wasn’t prepared for that. That might be their rationale for how they advance.
Retired Marine E-8 (21 years) here. Trying to get secondary schools in the Corps is very difficult. There is hardly any money and very few opportunities. I lenjoyed my 21 years and love my Marine brothers but would do things differently if I was 18 years old again.
Preach man !!!!!
Ty you for your service
Yo man I’m 17 and wanna join up when I graduate and possibly make a career out of the military I’ve been doing my research and after this video I’m really thinking going navy or army any advice?
@@tommyabrego9671Jake will probably recommend the Army to you. I agree with that, Former Marine here
@@tommyabrego9671do one enlistment 03xx and then go army
Solid interview, bro nailed it.
When you sit down to have these tough and uncomfortable conversations , people automatically think that you're bitter or hating. When in reality you're just warning people from making repeated mistake and from having a shitty military career.
Gas!!!!! Thank you
@@Vinny6962 I had a shity military career that was going nowhere I got out honorable discharge and never look back and my life got so much better I became a farmer and I'm a hard ass farmer I guess
@@ProJoe-xb5ie Nice that's great man and what did you do in the Military why did it not work out? if you don't mind me asking I'm just trying to learn. Thankyou
@@mikesmith7497 I was 11 bravo 10 and then we got the Bradley Fighting vehicles and then I was 11 bravo Mike . I ended up at fort Hood Texas for my first duty station I learned real quick there is a lot of races in between whites black Hispanics it was almost like going in the prison you had to stick with your own race there's a lot of problems between Northern blacks from like New York and Boston and Southern blacks and Northern lights against Southern whites it was just a f****** mess so I had to stick with the big corn-fed farm boy types next football players and for good reason I was jumped by a bunch of little Hispanic guys one night I was leaving the gym on base needless to say I got some payback what's my group that I hung out with I didn't grow up being hate for a racist or any of that but I realize real quick with the real world was about back then and then we had issues with the the older Vietnam veteran guys trying to get their retirement time in and a lot of them are being forced out of the military early and I figured well if they're going to treat the Vietnam veterans like s*** then they're not going to treat me any better don't get me wrong had some good times but it really made me a tougher person. I enjoyed the training going to the national training center California and places like that and that was cool but I just didn't like all the hate I know one thing I learned how to fight
@@mikesmith7497 I'll give you my story: I joined the Marine Corps in the early 2010s as an 03XX (infantry). I got to my unit shortly after what would be their last deployment (we didnt know that at the time). We did a couple work-ups for Afghanistan but the deployments never happened. I ended up getting out after 4 years.
I really enjoyed the first 3 years when we were training a lot and thought we were going to combat. Especially since all my seniors had been to combat and that was seen as the test to earn your respect. Obviously that metric had to change when the deployments stopped but I was pretty insecure about it for a long time (stupid, I know lol). Looking back, I judged myself for that harder than anyone else did.
The last year sucked because we were transitioning to peace time. There still was some cool training every now and then, but there was a palpable change. We went from business and proficiency first to more bureaucracy and busy work. It was a hard choice but I ended up getting out.
All that said, I still consider it the best decision of my life because all the other good ones were only possible because of it. I made the best friends and still talk to them every week and visit every year. I am now in medical school which never even crossed my mind growing up because I was so incapable of anything like that. People criticize the infantry for lacking real-world skills but I disagree. Obviously I'm not running-and-gunning for my day job but I learned more about leadership, resilience, team-work, work-ethic, discipline, mindset, and stress-management than I could doing anything else. I got to soak up wisdom from the types of guys we read about in history books. Also, free college and healthcare (as flawed as it may be) is a huge benefit.
Would I encourage a young man to join? That's a tough one because A) I don't know what the Marine Corps is like now days and B) the military does seem to becoming more political and less focused thanks to the spineless flag officers...... That said, I'm sure that's what all the guys before me thought too. So, you read all that for me to say I can't give you a recommendation one way or the other. BUT what I can tell you with 100% certainty is this: Follow your convictions and no matter where you go make the most of it. If you keep a positive attitude and do your best, you will get more out of the worst experience than a negative person will get out of the best experience. It will all buff out in the end, I promise.
Best of luck and Semper Fi.
I served as an Army , NightStalker. We had an incredible guy come to us from the Marines. Learned a lot of things I never knew about the Marines.
He definitely deserved to be a NightStalker.
I know a rescue swimmer in Navy. Flies in helicopters as a awr. He was prior marine. He said during a ceremony he was drilled for sock color in front of his wife. Said he was done there. He remembered making friends with the navy rescue swimmers and did that. Said its so much better and everyone is treated well after a few years of the required training.
Marine is tip of the sword. Not trying to get promotions. How can you sign up for something without knowing the sh it show your signing up for. If your slow than your gonna be a replica. If you have a mind you might rank up. You want to be a leader while trying to make friends? Even in the regular workforce that's not how your supposed to operate.
I'm uninitiated in that part of the military. What's a NightStalker?
Really appreciate this guy telling his side of the service.
Every Marine I’ve ever met expressed pride. And was proud to be known as a Marine.
I’ve never met a service member who introduced themselves as a sailor, soldier or coastguard, or was proud to be referred to as such. 🤔
They go out of their way to introduce themselves as an operator, as if that’s its own service. Marines don’t have to do that.
lol what? wheres the pride in being a marine? they push everybody through boot camp you don't earn shit, so what are you talking about? you either didn't serve at all or your a moron.
Man I’m a former Marine Corps recruiter 15 years in and I’ll tell you he is not lying. It’s hard to get promoted, school seats suck, no money, poor training. During peace time Marine corps sucks compared to other branches.
Jake bring me on live I’ll spill it all
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Yes sir we want all the dirt
No doubt you're literally taken advantage of! Lower than whaleshit!
I'm sorry. I have nothing but respect for you but it's funny hearing what you just said after saying you were a recruiter. Lmao. Semper Fi brother!!
Every ODA is was on had atleast 2 former marines. All were super solid, but wanted a better life, choice, and to not get treated like dirt.
I mentioned in other comment. I know a Marine, he became a Navy air rescue swimmer after being berated in front of his wife snd kids for the color of his socks.
Buddy of mine left the Corps for SF. Made a great career, became famous, and had two former Jarheads on his last ODA who are still doing gods things.
Thanks Jake for saving me, and all honest marines.
How in the fuck would Jake knows what it takes to be a Marine? He a SQUID!
Wish I had a dude like Jake mentoring me early on. Important channel. Im in the medical field but similar emotional and physical toll to get to where I am now, but I advise the younger generation on similar paths with less toll on mind and body. Great interview!
Lets go!!! WE BUILD CHAMPIONS FOR LIFE
Served 03-07, these gents are %100 correct
Literally was a day away from joining the corps because of the uniform and the aura of the marine corps, ended up talking to a army recruiter and he offered me 3 things the marine recruiter didn’t, free college, airborne school, and a bonus. Now im a 11c in the Army and am glad I didn’t join the marine corps eventho I have insane of amount of respect for them.
LETS GO!
There it is .. An Army man with his I almost joined the Marines story..😢
@@cbs1219 best decision ever
@@gabe_diaz Being a US Marine was the best decision I ever made as well. Wouldn’t trade it for anything
@@cbs1219 for you I bet it was, for me, Army was the way. If I would’ve got offered a bonus and airborne, I would be in the corps right now, my desire to jump out of airplanes outweighed just joining the marines for the uniform and brotherhood, that’s just me though. Anyways, I respect all my military brothers, we all served for our country and we are all brothers and sisters at the end of the day 🇺🇸🤙
Retired Marine (20 years), joined a few years pre GWOT. Peacetime Corps and wartime Corps is very different.
The Corps isn’t for everyone. I loved it and learned a lot. The suffering, discomfort, misery and stress made me stronger. Did it suck, absolutely. I am better and stronger for it.
I actually served with several prior service AF, Army and Navy that left their branches to join the Corps. Some of them were Sgts and even a couple of Officers. They lost their rank to earn the title of Marine and start from
Square one.
I was stationed at an SOI at one point and met several of prior service who left a lot of strips or their song bars back I the Army, Navy or AF to become Marines.
There is an intangible pride that comes from getting hand me down gear and dealing with the bullshit in the Marines.
22 years in and finally punching out. The Marine Corps worst enemy is the Marines within. The amount of toxic leaders/peers is disgraceful.
TELL THEM
EXACTLY 💯
@@jakezweigWhat years were you in?🤔
Wow. Disheartening to hear.
Left the Corps as a SGT in 3 years 7 months and great potential, and went to commission in the Army. Best decision I have made. the Corps offers itself to people who get away with treating people like sht, very proud to be part of the deadliest cult to exist, but people are treated like trash
Four years in the Marines and I had no intention of reenlisting but the Marine Corps made me successful in life. I wouldn’t trade those four years for anything.
As a Marine(former active), I think one of the main gripes especially amongst the combat arms is that the non combat Mos has a lower cutting score for promotion than combat arms. I was done watching dudes That I knew got in the same time as me get E-5 in two years. Most grunts end up being Lance Corporal lifers. Sadly the Corps. Is a good experience but not a career. I became an 0321 (Recon) to get out of the BS of the line company, however there is no real incentive to do so. What brings most guys into the higher tiers is motivation to do so. When I joined the Army infantry I was shocked by the amount of NCO’s in one company. They offer tangible incentives to join Ranger Batt or going to Selection. Corps. It’s time to tighten up our shot group..
I love man are you still in?
Not all POG mos promote fast... Source : got out as E-4 after 8 years 2 good cookies , 2 NAMs, Combat Action Ribbion4.8/ 4.7 Pro cons Mos was close to E-5 for 3.5 years
@@trentonharrisphotos Damn
@@jakezweig The funny thing I could have stayed in as E-4 would of been promoted the month after I got out . My SgtMaj at the time when I was checking called the MGSgt over our MOS and asked why I was still an e-4 and he said oh shit we thought he was out already. The problem was that we had alot of e-5 lateral move into the MOS for reenlistment which mad our small MOS full of alot of E-5's.
I don’t know if it’s still the same but I was shocked that you just get promoted to E-4.
I agree with you guys when it comes to rank in the Corps. I've seen squared away guys do 20 years as a E6 the other branches probably E8 or E9. Semper Fi
No question
It took me 3.5 years to pick up E4 because of my MOS. I had 280 PFT, 4.7 4.7 pros and cons, expert shooter,etc. Shyt sucked. Promotion is terrible. Smh
@@ocampbell1954 it’s sad that that’s still a factor in the Marine Corps. Semper Fidelis 80 to 84.
I had a similar experience during my four years in the USMC during mostly peacetime. There was a couple stabbings in the barracks. One fatal. My buddy bled to death on the couch in the duty lounge (Camp Pendleton). Court Martial went on from March to December 2000. I knew the other guy to (roommates put together cause they didn't get along). Other guy was an alright guy too, but they just went from hands to knives one night. Had a sergeant glass one of my roommates in the face and neck in Okinawa in a fight that was fueled by alcohol. Glass missed his jugular vein by a centimeter or so. He was lucky to live. A Corporal kicked the sergeant in the face breaking his nose and likely saved my roommate. Me and another Lance mopped up their blood. Sergeant (E5) spent a couple nights in the brig, and flew back to the US with us and was slapped on the wrist. Wasn't charged, but wasn't recommended for reenlistment. Shitty NCO leadership anything below E6.
We’re you at 1/5?
@@mikehayes2706 I was. Alpha Co
@@daviddowidat3478 I was there at the same time. H&S
@@mikehayes2706 Semper Fi. Yeah I was there that night and knew both individuals. I was interviewed by the defense lawyer and went to the court martial.
@@daviddowidat3478 Semper Fi, I remember PT formation that Monday morning, company gunny told us what happened. I also remember the beer bottle incident @ Camp Hansen. Right before Christmas, I think. Didn’t Heineken sponsor a half marathon that day?
Totally agree with what you think about the Corps.. I miss it since ive been out this past month, but then I remember all them pointless formations in the rain cause motor t trashed the barracks, or not being able to deploy cause of lack of unit funds, no cool trainings like ranger or airborne, nothing. But hey at least we got the title hahahaha!
What makes you think airborne is cool bro? Look up the Airborne timeline. Don't be so easily impressed, only the Rangers make basic static line jumps look cool.
Personally I don’t think SEALS should be so young. I understand their bodies are young and can handle stuff but a 21 year old dude still isn’t a “man” yet. They don’t have the mental fortitude as a 25-30 year old man would and I believe that’s far more valuable than just a simple young healthy body who doesn’t have the mental part on top of it
The brain doesn’t fully develop until around 25. We’re asking kids to make life and death decisions. Some obviously can-the SEALs pull off some impressive stuff. But that’s a LOT of responsibility for a person you just let drive last week.
@@donyoung5091 The mentality and smart decision making that a full grown man would make in combat far surpasses physique it’s been proven time to time. I don’t understand why they still do this. I mean I do but mainly don’t see the greatest outcome of it. Having children become special operators. Look at the SAS. Most of them are 30+ years old and are doing fine. A lot them also don’t go walking around saying they are a Navy Seal either. Yet another trait only a “boy” would make
Nah you want them young Soo they will not second guess the crazy shxt they have to do you don't want a family man that might worry about his family , same way you don't want an old guy being a new recruit fighter pilot.
@@WSNight- Yeah but a guy in his 30’s would be more intelligent and mature than a man in his 20’s therefore easy to understand the task at hand and will have less fear of death if they don’t already have a family. People are having families later now towards their 40’s than their 30’s
It’s the perspective and attitude coming out of the Marine corps that get you places.
Really appreciate the perspective,
especially the part where y'all called out that not even Above Average men are making it through selection
I'd never thought of it like that, but that lines up with what I observed in my regular enlistment
Thanks for the awesome feedback
I was a Marine Grunt for 8 years
-I was lucky to get a “combat deployment”( stood post for a seal team and took a few rounds) most of my peers never went anywhere
-Most of my buddies went army sof and the ones that failed sfas are studs in the 82nd and 101st
- I was begging my commander to send me the more advanced courses so I could expand my knowledge and they told me “it’s not a promotion requirement and we can’t afford to lose you for a few months”
I bounced to the civilian tech industry and I never thought about going back again 😂😂😂
Yes sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im going to marines, hopefully recon. Then It depends on my rank, ranger regiment or special forces.
@@Andrewski-c2xterrible plan. Why would anyone care wat u have to say after everyone here is explaining how bad it is and you decide to still go. No one is going to keep explaining the cons to you and no one will care when ur suffering while ur in.
@CrypticMonk-mb2dj my life is pretty miserable, there is things that is happening around me, and i dont want to be apart of. Im trying to accomplish something in my life that I'm proud of. Im 20 and I'm done with trying to be a civilian. I went to trade school. Welding companies tend to hire experienced welders. I tried becoming a fire fighter. There only hiring ex law enforcement and ex military. Im not going to college becouse it's a waste of time and money. I would be a park ranger but that means going through college that I would never pay back. I live in a run down building. I tried doing alot of different things. Its seems like the military is a way to get out. Might as well challenge myself, and be proud of it the rest of my life. Quick question what have you done with your life? I have never met a marine and they said they regretted joining.
@blackandy973 stop wining and go into the army
It’s a good place to go for a 7 year tour , after that , and along with the grit you showed up with and if your under 30 , you have a very good chance of getting through BUDS , the former Marines who sign up for BUDS , they have better odds of getting through . I learned that from this channel, you have to give a twin gun salute to all good Marines .
Damn. Joining the Corp has been my dream, really reconsidering it now.
Don't do it.
If you truly want to do it then do it. Don’t let a few knuckleheads distract you from your dream. Just look at your options for mos’s. Do your proper research
If it's your dream, do it, Finish your contract and then move on to another branch. It's only 4 years
@@papij3680 I joined so when I turned 50, I wouldn't have to say "I almost joined the Marines". How many soldiers, sailors, and airmen would say that about their military branch?
I was interested in joining the military because I have Chinese language ability. Was dissuaded out of it by someone who said "the military is the kind of place to train you to be a Asian language linguist, then they'll send you to Afghanistan"
Go airforce, 60k for international speakers
The only thing worth joining the Corps is MSG (embassy guard). I picked up Sgt in my 3rd year, the work and training was awesome, the extra pay is wonderful, the TS/SCI you get gets you paid after you EAS, and there’s hardly any BS to deal with in your everyday work. Only caveat is you can’t be married, it’s preferred you have no kids, and you need a clean record to be able to pass the background TS clearance.
Question: When I was in (90’s), you could not enlist for an MSG contract I believe.
They wanted mature Marines.
In my son’s boot camp platoon.. one guy says he is going MSG.
Is this normal?
That sounded nuts to me.
@@geoffsmith76 i was in 08-12, from what I remember they wanted young marines because they only take non married marines, unless you are a snco.
@@geoffsmith76 MSG is volunteer. no such thing as a MSG contract. Possibly things have changed but they want Marines who have been in at least 3 years before going to the program.
Jake I wish I could have met you about 30 years ago. I have been a cop for 24 years and not a day doesn’t go by where I don’t kick myself in the ass for not going to the military. My Junior High football Coach was a Grenada Army Ranger and one of my biggest mentors. I wish I would have done it. Thank you for your service and thank you for being a positive role model to the younger generation and helping them
Keep up the great work.
Will do man
Jake can you mentor a 45 year old guy that’s miserable in his profession. 😂
@frankcastle4435 45 is hard man set in your ways. What do you want to do nect
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Discovery channel, books, and movies worked like magic recruiting people, but war is technology / cyber oriented now. It's going to take a major incident to invade another country after the bad taste people have from the last 20 years imo, including the withdrawal. Recruits these days are signing up for 4 years of kindergarten
I was Army and worked with Marines, and I completely agree with these conclusions. Great points. God bless you all.
When I was in the 101st Airborne it was great when we deployed. People respect each other when they're armed. It was when we got back to the barracks in Kentucky when things really were bad because of all the time people had on their hands to mess with each other's lives.
I did 5 years in the Navy (HM2)….Four year enlistment with an extra year extension “at the convenience of the government”. I was incredibly lucky, as the only time I set foot on a ship was when my old roommate was in port. He had gone to BUD/S for the second time, rang out and got sent to a ship. Tiny berthing spaces, and it reeked, smelling like a combination of ass & desperation.
I am so glad I never had to go on one of those things. Got out when my enlistment was up and never looked back.
I was on track to enlist in the Marines before my father and other Vets I knew spelled out the truth about all of this as you stated. I ended up in the Air Force instead. I had more privacy, was treated better, full educational opportunities. It was as close to a civilian job as the military gets, peacetime anyway.
Natural progression. Marine Infantry to Army. Plus the Army loves Marines. I saw it myself when I went into the Army after my active time in the Marines. You don’t have to go to Army Basic Training. You are already a well trained grunt and they love it.
This was way back in the 80's, had two Soldiers in my Platoon at Bragg that had got out of the Marines after one enlistment and came back into the Army. They both were Grunts and had a chance to go Airborne and got to be apart of the 82nd Airborne. They were so impressed with how much better the equipment and gear the Army had, and way more opportunities for other challenging schools to go to. They both wished they had went Army all along the first time.
Former marine from 80 to 84 join the army in 85 and I can attest that I wish I had done the same and for the same reasons.
@Michael-en7of the Corp has a proud tradition and a lot of pride, but unfortunately they don't get the same in return with funding and all.
I 100 percent agree with ya'll that it will be the rangers and green berets first to see combat. I served as an infantryman at fort hood for 4 years. I wish when I joined the army I knew what a ranger was. Because in basic training most of the guys had ranger and SF contracts. If I had a do over again. I would have definitely gotten a ranger contract.
It’s normal to get out as a Lance Corporal after 4 years. In the Infantry.
4 years just to get out as a E3. That sucks and it makes it very hard to make a dude was to re-up
Guess promotions vary depending on your NEC/MOS. I was a Corpsman. Enlisted as an E-1, got a meritorious promotion to E-2 when graduating boot camp. Made E-3 within the first year. Made E-4 a year later. I nearly aced the test for E-5 and barely squeaked by the final multiple for promotion, so E-5 at 3 years, 3 months.
Thing was the time in grade requirement to take the test for E-6 was three years, so I wouldn’t be eligible to even try for E-6 until nearly 6-1/2 years and based on the final multiples (mins total points to need to be promoted) that guys needed to make E-6 meant that I would need to score like an 85 out of 80 for promotion- meaning it was impossible. I’d have to wait until probably the 8 year mark to go from E-5 to E-6.
As a young guy with a wife & newborn son, the idea of no promotion for nearly 5 years was the clincher. When my enlistment was up, I boogied. In the civilian world there was a recession and NOBODY was getting out, but I was. Met with the detailer just for the hell of it. They offered me two Fleet Marine Force options or a ship out of Long Beach. I looked at both of them, I literally laughed out loud at them and said, “no thanks, I’ll just get out”. All of the guys I worked with said “you’ll be back”. I knew there was ZERO chance of that. I left the Navy & never looked back. I’m glad I joined, as I needed the direction & the confidence. I’m also glad I got out. Life is so much better on the outside.
It was like many of those who said “you’ll be back” were like guys institutionalized in prison and just couldn’t see themselves doing anything but being in the military. You don’t face to worry about where to go, where to eat, what to wear because you have no choice. I got what I needed from the military and then what I needed most was the get the f*** out. Being in military was the best job I ever had. It was also the worst job I ever had.
I completed USMC OCS in 2004 (air contract). I did the plc program so I was able to observe some changes from 2003 to 2004.
Enjoyed the video and all of the truths therein! Training at OCS is the full extent of my time in the military but I've been serving ever since then as a nobody in society with a military bearing. "Active veterans" or "real ones" in California are getting trashed right now. We asking to be crapped on. Trying to do real good is like trying to save someone who is drowing and they want to fight you or pull you down.
Thanks for bringing the deep insight on how Marines fight each other during peacetime. Id like to believe thiugh that because my training was during wartime, it was harder than it is now, especially after 20 years of liberalism in govt.
I wasnt prepared enough to be an infantry soldier. But I was also resented for being an air contract, and they could smell that I wanted to be a pilot more than infantry and the DI's and platoon commander really gave me extra attention. Dont ever eyeball and mean mugg your platoon commander!
I got with the program after suffering huge isolation and heat from DI's.
Started to observe some changes in the military I did not like, (Woodland to digi camo, black boots to tan), and lietenant colonels speaking as though they were soft.
The hypocracy of many senior officers and especially the civilian heads/secretaries!
I was like the "Private Pile" of my platoon, probably for being too skinny, and for being an air contract without the aggression needed to be infantry. Being a colored person didnt help as there were only 2 others in my platoon.
Figured at the time it would be better to live to fight another day against an enemy that was more of a real threat to the USA than Afghanistan. Its not right to get treated like crap for a cause like Afghanistan. But for an existential threat, I could see how it would be worth it.
Decided to take my lessons learned and serve outside of the military. I saw a hole/opening in the security of the "homeland" and saw that it needed to be filled.
I spent the last 20 years focusing on correcting (trying) people's behviors in public and educating people on what only veterans and service members and I think particularly officers (for being a part of the presidential line of succession and for having higher quality training), understand.
Corrected hundreds of people's behaviors on the roads and highways as a truck driver. Hundreds of people on the streets and sidewalks, and at the check-out line; Stay in your lane, dont litter, watch your language...and, presenting myself as a punisher to prevent said things from happening in the first place. I call the police every week on problematic repeat homless law breakers. I've even sung Marine Corps cadence running around the park, keeping viloent criminal illegal immigrants away.
I didnt use my college degree for 10 years, thinking that someone would recognize my achievement and hire me to work in management. Or believing I was helping women who complain about income inequality by doing mans job and staying out of education.
Nope it was only a pipe dream. Most of the population here in Californa know nothing about the USA, few people know the order of importance to life. OCS counts for nothing when applying for a civilian job.
Now I teach and correct students at public schools as a substitute teacher. It comes easy because its what I've been doing for free for so many years. As tough as it is being a substitute teacher, it is still better for me than a being a truck driver.
Love your spirit brother Jake. Put me on your video if we can be allowed to talk about my unique 20 years of service without pay. I know Im a weird and unusal one, but i guess I wasnt fit for the military or the Marines and instead I fight to defend the American people IN THE WAY I WANT TO FIGHT and in the way that Im beat at fighting.
@monchan8 You had an aviation contract? What did you end up flying? My son went to OCS at Quantico, then TBS, then flight school, blah, blah. How long did you stay?
@escapedfromnewyork I only did the OCS. it was around the time of the First Battle of Fallujah so it was extra brutal. I was wrong for not wanting to be a Marine enough. Needed to complete last year of college to earn my commission but fell out of schoolwork and the program, had doubts anyway about serving in Afghanistan.
Spend the last 20 years serving the people of the USA instead, correcting the things we let go as nothing, but that some of us know what it leads to.
A bored Marine is a dangerous thing! We would get into all sorts of stupid shenanigan's.
Jake please stop interrupting the people you interview. Thank you
@@wes100 I'm working on it bad
Thank you for the truths Jake
I did 8-years in the Corps during war time. This guy is spot on. War time it is a great place. Peace time it is a nightmare.
Awesome conversation 🙏🏼 🇺🇲
2:17 by haze that means "We're going 2 play games 🎮 "😂oh yeah i.e weapons just cant get quite clean enough for turn in
What they say is true. I went in the 80’s. The Marines did not have special forces. The tell you the Marines Corps needs come first. It instills something in you that never leaves you. It was the best decision I ever made.
Dang I was about to say before he started @ 1:40. They practically eat eachother in peace time . Is it still like that given the funding we see today, atleast seen from the outside in , it looks like hard chargers still ?
as a square civi, I want to thank you all for your service! God bless you all ❤ 🇺🇸
100% Jake. I spent five years in the Marines as a Cannon Crewman. It's a very fine service branch. With that said, you're 100% correct. The Marine Corps. prides itself on being "Basically Trained". They take that concept seriously. Specialty schools are only available if a Marines' specific MOS requires the training. The promotions are indeed very slow. When I was in it took about 7 years to reach the rank Sergeant. Seven years in other branches, one could reach the rank of E6 or even E7. The Marine Corps. will grind a person to a pulp. Desertion rates are high in the Corps.. 3 guys in my unit deserted.
Glad to hear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank oyou
I got out of the Marines in 1990 and enlisted into the Pennsylvania National Guard (28th Infantry Division) and was accepted in the Long Range Surveillance Detachment, 104th Inf. My Team Leader was a SSgt and a former Marine. LRS104 sent him first to Ranger School then to Airborne School. Not even going to get any of that on active duty Marine Corps. I asked him if he would enlist in the Marines if he coukd go back in time. I'll quote him here, "NOPE! The Marine Corps. abuses it's people".....
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Your going to be in the millions subscribers sooner then later
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True about SOF in conflict. ODAs and MSOTs are in some interesting places right now.
MSOT??
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@@dr.haroldlee913 Ok for sure and why do you say those 2 sof units are in interesting places right now? thankyou
@@mikesmith7497 look at where those units are stationed within SOUTHCOM,AFRICOM, and INDOPACOM
I cant remember the name of the little base, but I had a joint training exercise in NC. It was with a Marine air defense cell. The bathroom was literally a closet. I had never seen a training exercise with more attention to detail and professionalism. Say what you want. Marines train and make the most of what they have. I am the son of a Marine, but gained so much more respect for Marines watching them train.
Love watching these at work 🔥
I started in the Corps in 2009, fast forward 2019 I enlisted in the FL Army National Gaurd as a 13M FA Chief on a HiMARS. Great interview. Now an E6 finally lol.
I feel old lol. I went in, in 2012, I got out when this dude in the video was going in.
@@TheMexicanU.S.Marine lol right
I joined the Corps as an MP from 97-01. No combat and yes the Corps is a cult like environment. But the level of professionalism we had was higher than the other services in my opinion. As an E3 we had more responsibility with troops than Sergeants had in the Army. The Army was being watered down at that point in becoming more civilized which Marines saw it was weak. We did MP School at Fort Mclelland Alabama with the Army so we saw it first hand. Marine Corps was really picky about who they recruited back then compared to the Army and Navy and showed it the quality of troops I worked with.
I came back to the Corps from 2008-16 being medically separated. I was a 32 year old corporal and was surprised how watered down the Corps had became to the point that it was similar to what the Army was in 1998. I also noticed the kids were more entitled and had unrealistic expectations to what they would get out of the Corps. For me, I first joined to get out of the routine I had and do something more meaningful which I did. I came back because the 2008 Financial crash wiped my family out and there was not much going on out there so I had to make it work. Kids thought it was like Call of duty but were immediately let down with the reality of what the military wants to do with you. It’s a peace time situation where now the Corps needs to reduce its numbers and so promotions are slow as well as opportunities. The draw down which began in 2015 is still continuing so the Marine Corps only real mission are the MUEs (which is a great way to see the world). I am proud of my service and am thankful that I joined the Corps. It was misery in every aspect and it is a cult which is why it is not meant for everyone. Don’t join for opportunities, join because you want to be a Marine and embrace the suck!!!
@8:00 Also war is about to look differently. Everyone is stepping their long range missile and drone game WAY UP!!!
I had the opposite happen and wanted to join the Marines but the Marine recruiter was at the far end of the Navy recruitment and when I walked in the Navy recruiters pounced on me and I told them I was there to see the Marine recruiter and they were no way you have to talk to us first and I told them I wasn't interested in joining the Navy but I was surrounded by 4 Navy recruiters and wouldn't let me see the Marine recruiter and they talked me into going to MEPS that night but when I got to the point I was going to pick my job they offered me like 3 suck ass jobs and I refused to join and the Navy guys were so pissed at me and I was equally pissed them at them and next day the Marine recruiter asked me what happened and I told him but I told him I'm no longer interested in joining and I always wondered what the Marine recruiter said the Navy a-holes but 6 months later I ended up joining the Army.
N.A.V.Y which stands for Never Again Volunteer Yourself. I learned that lesson after 4 and a half years. That's why I ended up going to US Army after the Navy.
Always surprises me when the Marine Corps sucks that dudes like this complain. In 2016 this dude didn’t have available information to know what he was getting into? The Marine Corps is small, and has the toughest recruit training and prides itself on the title Marine which is very different than the other branches. If you are looking for guarantees at opportunities to be special forces of course go Army. Or if you are some really really rare dude who has the ability to become a Navy SEAL than join the Navy. But if you are an average dude just looking for for the opportunity to build your character and to be part of a brotherhood who will kick ass in time of war than go Marines. I would take the average Marine over any other average service member from another branch 100 out of a 100 times. Too many clowns get suckered into thinking they are special forces material when they are not and end up just in the Navy or Army which is for the masses and from what I see have lower standards. Quit whining and suck it up if you joined the Marines thinking you were going to be a SEAL or Green Beret.. your not.. but you joined the Marines which made you different and in many ways better than 90 percent of the masses in the the other branches. Semper Fi
I saw some of the ranger tactics and thats definitely the place to be. I would go rangers before anything else.
Join the army guys so many options to go special operations u can promote quickly. U can go to plenty of cool guy courses
Yeah for sure. Or, if you're able to make it through their pipelines, Combat Control or Pararescue in the AF do some of the coolest shit with skills transferrable to the outside.
Not as a Ranger
What courses?
"If you want to get ducted taped between two mattresses and thrown off the 4th deck, that's your business...." - that line cracks me the hell up! Tell me he's lying hahahaha
I served ‘86 to 2014. Retired as a E-8 because the Marine Corps combined MOSs and shrank the billets. My MOS goes from 18 MGySgts to I think it was 6. I picked up MSgt at 18 years. About a year after that they started eliminating MOSs and consolidating them. Promotions dried up and became super competitive in the Air Wing. Anyway, my first enlistment was infantry. My first duty station was 1/4 at MGAGCC 29 Palms. About 6 months later we swapped battle colors with 7th Mar Division from Pendleton and I was 3/7 in peacetime ops. We deployed 2 west pacs. Philippines and Thailand. Then 60 days in Okinawa, a 30 day MPS float and a 30 day USS Kennedy float. Some Marines deployed to the Horn of Africa 60 days at a time and we did a lot of training at Ft Irwin. Like he said, lots of shenanigans and hazing but also a lot of love for one another. Not a lot of CQB then. More open desert training, amphib landing training, and Helo Ops. I made corporal in 3 years. When reenlistment time came, first termers couldn’t reenlist in the grunts and I lat moved to the AW. Shenanigans there too; however, all my deployments were too Iwakuni. The Marine Corps is about the Marine Corps first. I don’t know if it’s still like that. Meaning, if you need to go to an MOS or PME school but deployment or mission comes first, you’re not going to school. Then get shit on for promotion. I seen it happen to many good enlisted Marines. Never officers. Officers get their schools and training.
I was in Iwakuni from 1990-1992. Loved it.
100% correct
I ets'd inMay1987. If you have a good GT score you can get almost any MOS, many with fat bonuses. Guys with mediocre GT's were re-enlisting as a helicopter crew chief, which really was a cool job. Flight pay, etcetera. Guys with some college time were re-enslisting for Warrant Officer/Flight School, also a sweet job if you pass the schools. I was gonna go in the operating room technician job, but I didn't.
are you considering a follow-up on the Keith Mullen death? Geary was on SRS saying the doc did nothing wrong. After watching your vids on it, I kinda felt like he was BS'in. He said the docs did nothing wrong and said Mullens had a raspy throat (no sipe, no pneumonia). Autopsy even listed pneumonia
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It is a great place to start but it has little opportunity. I am thankful to the Marine Corps for taking me. However, I had to switch services for longevity.
Thanks for this video, it was really helpful and a ton of good information in here.
Glad it was helpful!
excellent information
Knew one guy that was locked on, he’s either gonna be Commandant or SMaj of the Corps. He picked up Sgt in two years in the Marine Corps post combat period but pre official peacetime in the infantry. Probably the best or second best Marine I had ever known. He’s likely Staff Sergeant Espejo now, shout out to him.
Damn, sounds like a stud.
Served from 90-94. The Marines do the worst job when it comes to retaining junior enlisted. There is no clear career path or mentors to guide you to what your life might mean after another 4 years in. We lose a ton of quality Marines simply because of that fact
I agree with my fellow Marine’s, but keep in mind what is our Mission? The Corps does not veer. I served 21 years in the Marines after retiring I got a job and finished raising my kids. And went on to college. Yes joining the Air Force, Navy, and even the Army and learn a vocation.
Unless you’re an officer. They pretty much get whatever they want.
I got out in 2013. Every marine that stayed in from my peer group got kicked out for hazing. There was a peacetime purge of combat experienced NCOs under amos for whatever reason.
Yall not lying about marine corps not promoting…I was an avionics pog on harriers (five year contract because of schooling) and got corporal right before I got out..and had a great pdt and pro/cons …but shot marksman lol..even though we only needed to shoot once at year in that mos lol
You got marsoc now really dam it's not what I imagined . Brakes my heart. Fuck
The shenanigans exist in every branch, i just think it's more direct in the Army and Marines. The thing is young members don't know what the shenanigans are or how to avoid them to have truly successful careers.
Great podcast Jake, this one hit close to home.
I served from 2011 to 2015 with 2 Afghan deployments as a 0811 (artillery) and I also had the itch to go back in under my IRR time at a 0341 (mortarmen)
I have this itch and regret that I didn’t serve in the high capacity or at least have the opportunity that was presented to me by the recruiter to serve in a sniper platoon or reconnaissance unit. Otherwise I wouldn’t have joined.
Even tho I have 2 deployments and a CAR from being in a couple gunfights . It’s just not the capacity I wanted to serve and I refused to reenlist and and be lied to again and waist another 4 years of my life.
I wouldn’t advise my son to join the marines, but like you said, plan for fail safes and I agree Rangers and Green berets walk the talk the Marine Corps sells.
Since being out I’ve done law Enforcement and now am a Flight Paramedic working on my RN.
@josephhayes3151 LETS GO!!!!! Don't look in the review mirror
I got 24 years in as a Cop brother get out of law enforcement go do that nurse thing and make that money and not worry about the world hating you because you’re job.
I know there’s a program in the marines where officers can leave the marines and go directly to the army and keep their rank, my old xo captain he went directly from the marines to special forces, I do not think he did any regular army time beside special forces, I mean I met him in my company I was a supply dude for a SF company
I AGREE WITH JAKE!!
My first SgtMaj in 29palms told us he talked to some old marines and hazing didn’t become wide spread until Marines got bored.
Doing the day to day (PM’s, gear lay out, armory days) Marines get bored, what better to do than fuck with the boots
Recon falls under Big Marine Corps. You have to go MARSOC through SOCOM.
Be as it may, I've never regretted my decision to get into The Marine Corps. In my personal experience, our unit (Plt, CO, Bttn) had the special bond, brotherhood that endures for the rest of our lives, hazing is just a part of the daily life.
If the USMC is a cult, I'm a proud member of this cult. Yes, it was hard, you trainned untill You're totally spent but I'll never regret my decision. I'll love the Marine Corps for the rest of my days.🤔🤔🤔🤔
OOORAAAAH!.
Semper Fi Brothers!.
Lets go
The Marines are serious warriors.
Yes they are
I was in 1984-1989, many Marines I met had nice recruiters who strongly suggested they join on "Open Contract." In recruit training, probably we had close to 75% open contracts. Let's not highlight the principle of integrity or lack of it. Marine Corps is largely focused on its culture. There are many who want to be bad asses in the Marines and don't question the ethos.. The culture and leadership may either be healthy or semi healthy or outright toxic.
I don't regret joining the Marine Corps. No. When my COs were asking me to re-up, I told them, I was getting out. I didn't care about any bonuses, zero, not even $50,000. What I regret is not having gone Regular Army. I did two years in the Army reserves. I would strongly advise all applicants, be careful what you wish for, don't join no matter what on an open contract, do three years at a guaranteed MOS. We had a few Marines who only did three years. How? They told their recruiter if they don't get 3 years, they are joining the Army.
The Army offers more benefits, MOSs, training schools, duty stations. Even as a former Army reservists, I was able to have two MOSs. The Marines culture is not going to change anytime soon. I was a 35 months Lance Corporal. It was a tougher time, but I made it. Boot Camp was challenging but definitely nothing compared to Infantry Training School..
Preach thank you for that amazing comment
Went 8 years Naval Aviation. The royalty of the armed services. Spent 6.5 years in Japan, always on deployment but getting the easy street of being at sea. Always traveling, got to see 10 countries in 8 years. Made E-5 in 7 years but I also made E-3 three times. Lol
Wish more people got this kinda info. I went Navy and got Corpsman, wanted IT. Medically discharged from boot. Fellow brother from another DIV got discharged for Sickle Cell Trait.
How you were medically discharged from boot
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4:50 oooo let me break that down you have 2 be a "Hard Charger " Meritorious 💩 nose basically to get even recommended for Marsoc 😮
As great as the Marine Corps is and how good their recruiting is, they need to be more honest about what the organization is and what you should expect. Anyone thinking about joining who might be reading this, your life will be the Marine Corps and it’s not an easy life. It demands that you give it everything and that’s honestly what it takes to keep make it what it is. Keep that in mind
best army recruitment video out right now
I wonder how much would PanAm pay if they were still around and how would that company look like in 2024... would their legendary flights still be top notch and we could compete with Qatar or Emirates?
Squid veteran here! 1997-2003. Got hurt in BUDs, DOR’d and officially after 18 months you CAN get orders to go back but, your command won’t endorse you because they need the watch standers on ships. I was an undesignated fireman so I got out in a steam turbine power plant on a 30 year old rust bucket POS that gets NO BUDGET a gator freighter LSD. (Dock Landing Ship). Did 3 WestPac floats, 6 months each. 1998 13th MEU. 2000 15th MEU. 2002 31st (the Dirty Worst) MEU. Then instead of just taking the MM3 test, I put in a package to go to Master At Arms A school, had my CMAA endorsed me, fucking professional development board was all Filipinos and wouldn’t do shit for a white American Citizen! Said nope, get your ESWS pin & re up for 36 months. I said fuck that, I struck Gunner’s Mate so I could still feel like I was actually in the military and not be some slave on a cruise ship. Got the fuck out less than 30 days after getting back from my third deployment. Greatest fucking feeling in the world! I can still feel it when I hear “Streets have no name” by U2 on the radio because driving out of San Diego that was on the radio. FTN: FUCK THE NAVY!
Was in for 20yrs (99 - 19). Most of that time deployed. Wartime Marine Corps is definitely different than peacetime.
7:31 noooo u understand that😮 Good 2 go all day long..lord
flying for ups would be the shit
If you want to be AFSOC, start Guard. They’ll put you on orders for a year just to get you ready for the pipeline.
IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE A MARINE DONT JOIN AND IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE A MARINE WE DONT WANT YOU EITHER. Marine for 26 years from enlisted to officer SSgt to CWO to LDO and in division for 15 years retired out of SOCOM. I have NOTHING to say bad about the Marine Corps. If you want to get into it then the Marine Corps is the place for you. If you want to mark time and get benefits its not the place for you much like the Ranger Regt its not a place to hang out its a lifestyle. Theres a certain type of person who goes into the Marine Corps and likes it. Most even those who join arent those guys even though nearly all of them loved their time in and loved their fellow Marines. Personally I dont say anything bad about the Marine Corps because they always told me the truth. "You want to get eyeball to eyeball with the enemy? then you came to the right place. We garrantee you combat in your first enlistment. And life isnt going to be easy. We like everything harder with less help than any branch. IF you want something else then go somewhere else".
Yes sir!!!!!! Thanks for the great comments
Fucking Rah! Semper Fi. 💪
Facts Devil Dogs!
Yeah I mean, .....really can't argue. He ain't wrong
Peacetime army is about the same, but also dependant on where you are stationed and the unit you fall under
Retired 20 year MA1 in the Navy. I was unaware you couldn’t make E5 on your first enlistment. I will say the Marine Corps develops real leadership. E3 and below are dumb as a box of rocks. By the time someone is E4 or E5, they’ve been leading troops and know their job much better than we do in the Navy. They really take care of their people in a way to be admired. I made E5 in 4 years and I was totally unprepared for that responsibility. I had to learn how to lead on the fly and by the time I learned everything, I made E6 almost immediately and wasn’t prepared for that. That might be their rationale for how they advance.