Why Andor is the Best Star Wars Show
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Andor has ruined my standards. Now I want ALL Star Wars to be actually good.
So you want perfect things all the time some fan you are
@@darthdracul8372 no he wants all of Star Wars to be as good andor
Bad Batch has been pretty good
I wish I could say the same about season 3 of The Mandalorian
@@The_pitbull536 Doesn’t have the way where I’m standing.
And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
@@lonewolf9578 Look it’s not perfect the Mandalorian, but it’s not awful either
How do you think we were able to restore balance to Star Wars in the first place It was this very series now you guys are burning it?
Simon Pegg was right about the fandom of Star Wars.
Cassian’s line “Nobody’s listening!”really shows how the empire is so disconnected and uncaring about the people they’re oppressing, and I feel like that’s why Palatine is never shown on screen because he’s not even listening to the tragedy he’s causing
Loved that line too! It’s a pretty common technique to do in prisons and it was done in concentration camps: you make the prisoners believe that the wardens are omniscient. Andor, of course, knows they aren’t and just cannot be bothered.
Also, I love the fact Palpatine never shows up because he couldn’t care less about the suffering of others. All of that is too mundane for the almighty Dark Lord of the Sith he sees himself as.
That line was chilling.
One of the things I loved about that line is how it harkens back to Rogue One when he asks Jyn after they transmit the plans "do you think anybody's listening" and she says "I do",
Well it's not like he became emperor out of a desire to help anyone. It's expressed pretty clearly in his back story that he's just a privileged little fop who, born to wealth and power felt entitled to accumulate *all* the wealth and power. All because he had the means to get it. Why would he pay attention to other peoples troubles caused by him when his whole motive is "I want to be able to do what ever I want to whoever I want without any consequences for ever". Which is one of the possible conclusions of Sith ideology generally speaking. Seeking personal freedom by accumulating power to gain victory to break your chains, repeat that often enough and you've gained power over everyone and everything around you, your ultimate freedom at the expense of everyone else's freedom.
im dumb when I first heard that line I thought Cassian was just angrily exclaiming that nobody (the other prisoners) was listening to him as he was making his case on how they could totally bust out of there.
then again, this show is good at dual meanings and meticulously placed dialogue so maybe I wasnt entirely wrong then, but all in all that line was DEF referencing the Imperial machine as a whole
It was great how instead of trying to toss in a big name cameo or teasing another show, they just showed the Death Star being built in the end credits scene. To reveal that Cassian was forced to build what would ultimately kill him, while also being instrumental in its destruction, just gave me chills.
Also the shot was really Expanse-like.
It was also great because that sceene slowly pans out, goung from what Andor was building in the prison to then slowly reveal the full scale of the death star. Showing that ultimately everything that Andor and all the prisioners went through was just a minor cog in a much larger machine.
This is one of the things that makes this show the refreshing instant classic it is. They show more than tell. Bravo for putting into words what so many of us are thinking!
@@Halo_Legend its actually very rare to get a planetary establishing shot that rotates this much in SW and its quite interesting. Usually we get stills to feel the sense of scale of space
@@Halo_Legend yes!!!! I love that shows cinematography when it gets creative
The finale with Maarva posthumously saying "Turn me into a brick and throw me at the fascists" is so incredibly raw.
Put that on my -grave- brick
That line was cringe.
@@FriezaDBZKing69 lmao that’s not even a real line, the guy was making a joke. You didn’t watch the show, did you?
@The One Golden Gryphon Points out a joke being a joke, while missing a joke in reply.
@@FriezaDBZKing69 Then pray tell, what is the joke?
Favorite scene in the whole show is the one in the prison arc where they realize they’re never getting out and Andy Serkis’s character is trying to get everyone to calm down. But as the camera zooms in on him, you can see the genuine terror in his eyes. Had me on the edge of my seat
100%. I don't know if I've ever felt quite as invested and immersed in characters' struggles as I did during that arc, and the phenomenal acting had a lot to do with it.
I completely agree, that scene was incredible!
Same
"How many guards?"
"Never more than twelve."
ONE WAY OUT!!!
I think something that makes Andor so special is that Andor himself doesn’t become a leader, he becomes someone who creates the leaders. He pushes Keeno to lead the jail break, he pushes the people of Ferrix for their own rebellion, and in the end he pushes Jyn Erso into leading her own squad
That's called an organiser, they're the people organising protests and all of that (here in Mexico we recently had the feminist movement do some impressive things).
They're awesome.
Jyn Erso, unfortunately, is a joke of a character, and so is her movie.
@@Halo_Legend you seem normal
@Siberian I’m pretty sure the implication is that this person brought out the “Jyn Erso bad” thing like basically out of nowhere. Wether shes a joke or not that has nothing to do with the idea that Andor helped pusj her into leading the team that retrieved the Death Star plans.
Kind of a weird thing to just say on its own.
@@Halo_Legend Lol wrong on both counts.
Imagine telling your childhood self that the best Star Wars show finale won't be the one where Boba Fett rides a Rancor, or Obi-wan duels Darth Vader, but the show where a marching band rebels against the empire.
Your childhood self would have to be really sophisticated to reply with "Awesome!"
“mommy, where’s the gun?”
Honestly, I think I would be pretty annoyed to hear about Boba Fett riding a rancor. Even as a child, I think I would have recognized how silly that sounds. Obi Wan vs Darth Vader? I mean, I've _seen_ that finale and I think that still _sounds_ awesome, even if the execution we got was scuffed.
Imagine telling your childhood self that a 2020s TV show with constipated characters marginally related to a standalone SW Disney film (Rogue1) is considered the best SW product since TESB.
Just...NO.
During Marva's speech in the final episode when she says “I'd wake up early every morning and fight these bastards” genuinely filled me with so much rebellious spirit. Fiona Shaw's performance is beyond phenomenal.
She’s a treasure
Maarva, to paraphrase a meme, wakes up early every morning to be a fascism-hater.
Makes me wanna cross the street without looking both ways ✊
@@dylanrodriguesshe wakes up extra early just to hate on Palpatine, mad respect to her for being such a dedicated hater
o7!
Luthen’s monologue, Kino’s speech, Nemik’s manifesto, Maarva’s eulogy. This show gave four incredible masterpieces in script writing, and that’s not including the countless quotes and lines throughout the show all carrying so much weight and emotion
Maarva's eulogy, to be more precise. ;-) The script writing was amazing indeed.
So many of those seemed to be intensely informed by the writings of real-life rebels against tyranny. For example, I sensed an aspect of Emma Goldman or Mikhail Bakunin in Nemik's manifesto.
@@EugeniaLoli I was trying to think of the right word for ages and just gave up haha, that's the one
Dedra Meero finally gathering enough evidence to confront the board and ursurp Blevin is one of my favourite scenes in all of Star Wars. The delivery of the "Yes" on whether she is ready to present her case lives forever in my head.
ONE WAY OUT
Somehow, the writers Andy Serkis saying “Never more than twelve” one of the most inspirational things that genuinely rocked me to my core
No kidding. That ending had me staring at the credits for their entirety not saying a word. Such a good show man
Tony Gilroy is so damn TALENTED.
Remember the wait that week after ending on that line?
@@benobrien7920 the worst lol
same
I think Andor has portrayed revolution better than not only all of star wars, but better than most shows, movies and games that are specifically ABOUT revolution
That makes sense given that it was written by people who have actually researched and read about actual revolutions rather than just the Hollywood versions of them.
With minor changes, it could be the story of the Bolcheviques
@@valcolon16One of the writers, Beau Willimon, actually worked in a bunch of Democratic campaigns in the US, and worked in the Estonian government. And you can tell, a ton of the politic-related elements feel lived-in.
No, Rogue1 did that better: a bunch of anti-Imperial Senators terrified in front of the Death Star but the rest soldiering on and actually becoming The Rebellion.
Andor is criminally underrated. Not one of my friends will give it a chance and it’s painful that I can’t talk about it to anyone
Well.... You can talk to us crazy nerds who just love a good story.
@@thesaintzor625 that is why I love the internet. Like minded crazy nerds obsessed with media as much as I am. Exhilirating discussions and fanboying over the same piece of art with people as passionate about it as I am.
I think people hype it up waaaaay too much. It's a good show, for sure. But it has some major flaws: main character is blander than cardboard, the show doesn't really go anywhere, and it doesn't feel very Star Warsy.
@@joshuaperrine2019 I don't know about the Star warsy thing because I was very late to th star wars party. But, yeah, Cassian has the charisma of a park bench covered in white paint. As for the show not going anywhere, I have to disagree. With the help of side characters, it is exploring the grey areas of the galaxy. The struggles of waging a war against an all powerful enemy while questioning your own methods, the workings and people inside the empire who are convinced that the empire is a force for good and are committed to a fault. These aspects are being explored pretty well.
It’s not underrated, literally everyone praises it now. Lol
You didn’t even talk about Dedra Meero who is such an amazing, sinister villain. The way we all route for her at first while she rises up the ranks and then starts using the power she earned to be despicable was incredible
Me after Dedra being introduced: "Yaaaas queen, get that coin!"
Me at the last episode: "Yaaaaas, mussolini that bitch!"
Also it’s crazy how the show almost makes you root for her… until her stoic mask slips and you see that she is truly a sadist in her scenes with Bix. Personally, I think very few people actually deserve to be torn apart by an angry mob, but really I had no sympathy for her at that point.
Empire is sexist, but she is literally a woman. Genius writers that havent even watched the OT
@@GreenNinj4 did you not notice how she’s the only woman in her ranks tho, and she’s very talked down on especially in the beginning?
Also if you really think that a woman being present in imperial ranks makes the writers bad and means they have no regard for the OT you’re just ridiculous. This entire show is a love letter to the original trilogy and i would say it provides more context and emotional weight that makes those films so much better.
Unlike the failure with Reva, the show actually takes the time to let us get to know her and slowly see her become a genuine threat that’s a force to be reckoned with. All while never taking the focus away from Cassian. As opposed to Reva where the show doesn’t let us grow to like her and doesn’t have good writing to back up why we should be afraid of her.
That whole prison escape scene had me in tears honestly, it was so breathtaking
Its still impressive to me it took a few episodes to make us invested in a random dude (Kino) and his monologue.
"I can't swim" somehow is just as heart shattering as other lines like "Fives, find him, find him FIVES!" and "You didn't kill Anakin....I did" and "I am no Jedi." and "Luke, we are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters." no matter your thoughts on some projects, Star Wars can create some GOD DAMN emotional gut punches.
moto moto do you like me
On program!!!
Agreed! I haven't felt that invested in a prison break sequence since the Boiling rock episodes in Avatar: The Last Airbender
The Luthen speech is great, but I get genuine goosebumps on my arms and legs every single time I listen to Nemik's manifesto.
It's just such an incredibly powerful speech and message, relevant to any time, to any galaxy.
On another note, have you noticed how incredibly similar Luthen is visually to palpatine? Wearing blue and black, with grey hair combed back or wearing dark robes and with hoods, it's such a clever detail.
I've also thought of him as basically the rebels palpatine. The parallels are definetely there, not only visually, but also in their sense for strategy, sacrifice and tactics
Palpatine was a fool to believe that his enemies wouldn't see his tactics and turn them against him. Mothma, Luthen, and Saw were truly worthy opponents.
This manifesto is actually parallel to the communist manifesto
just finished the last two episodes and you are so right about the manifesto!
Luthen doesn't forget the people he loses though. When Saw says, "It's thirty men!" Luthen adds, "Plus Kreegyr." And he knows that he must do the clandestine dirty work for the rebels that would not be considered heroic by the public, so that the rebels could eventually have cleaner public heroes to celebrate. After his speech to convince Lonni to stay, he adds, "Just stay with me, Lonni. I need all the heroes I can get."
I think that it is incredible that the creator managed to make the best Star Wars content of all time (yes I think it’s the best) with zero mention of the force and zero lightsaber fights. Some may argue that this makes it not real Star Wars, but it is the lack of the magical space wizards and magic that create a realness that isn’t anywhere else in Star Wars (except rogue one). As a lifelong fan, this grittiness is truly amazing.
Also the people saying "It's not star wars" missed the point. In star wars a fraction of the people in the galaxy can use the force. Before Order 66 there was a galaxy-wide population and only around ten thousand Jedi. But what about the rest of those people? Andor is more Star Wars than anything else surely, because it takes a break from the death-glowstick-wielding cultists and shows us the life of a pretty average person in this world.
It doesn't feel very Star Warsy and that has nothing to do with laser swords or space wizard. It's a good show, but I had to keep reminding myself that it is Star Wars.
Why not just make it it's own sci-fi series at that point?
@@Mrlaneck because lightsabers and space magic don't define the franchise? Especially not after order 66.
@@Mrlaneck wtf even is this comment thread? star wars is full of so many things and the force/lightsabers is just one of hundreds. Just because you make a show missing one of these elements doesn’t mean you need to call into question whether it should even be star wars or how it’s “so unrecognizable you have to remind yourself it’s star wars”. severe lack of IQ here. droids? blasters? stormtroopers?space ships? space politics? war? rebels ? it’s star wars bro
"Never more than 12" sent chills down my spine, and Maarva telling Cassian that she can't leave made me tear up.
@МеаtСаnуоn 🅥 more like shitcanyon
That's just love
That Kino Loy line instantly became a legendary episode ending
Tony: “how many episodes do I get a season, I need as many as I can get”
Disney: never more than 12
@@Dookieman1975 😮💨
It’s honestly not even fair to compare Andor to shows like Kenobi, BOBF and Mando Season 3. It’s in a completely different league
@@Leon_el_pro no lol
Mando Season 3 is way better than both of these shows as well
BOBF and Kenobi are bad
Mando S3 is good
Andor is perfect
Even Mando Season 2 is honestly a joke in comparison
@@Leon_el_pro thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard
@@luiseduardo4748 if you think szn 3 is good I have no hope for you lol
The fact that we don't see almost any of these characters ever again in "later" events is chilling in its own way, whether its Luthen and how much he impacted later events, the rebels in the heist (Cinta, Vel, Nemek, etc), the prisoners who didn’t make it (of course including the mad lad Kino himself), the people of Ferrix, and even some of the Imperials. They worked and plotted, threw away their ideals and morals, gave their lives, and no one will even know later. Even the ones who do remember will meet the same fate further down the line. Nemek, Kino, Luthen, even Cassian himself don't get remembered in the history of the rebellion. They did the dirty work, but don't get the legacy. Compared to them, Luke's journey seems so straightforward, so black and white. They paved the road that he would walk down, died to setup the missions he and the rest of the rebels would execute.
I think part of what makes this idea (and this show with it) so haunting, so emotionally resonating, and so interesting is that there are so many gaps in our real world where this might have happened, and probably did. How much injustice happened during the decades before equal rights happened that will be lost to history? How much injustice happened when slavery was legal? During medieval times? During ancient eras? How many people fought against evil, maybe even became evil in their own way like Luthen, how many people died just for one inch of justice and progress for the people who would outlive them, to see some goal that they would never reach themselves? How many will never be remembered?
This is one of the things that impresses me the most about Andor, beyond all the technical things. They made me care SO MUCH about characters whose fates I already know. Cassian wasn't a bad character in Rogue One, but I was never all that interested in him and I was satisfied with his death, it felt clean. Watching how he develops into being the kind of guy to die for the cause is some of the best TV i've ever seen
There is much use of, and much talk about the importance of, the story-telling structure of the Hero's Journey. Meanwhile, in history, there is the theory of Great Men moving it forward, which most people subscribe to subconsciously. But both are emphatically wrong for the same reason: events move forward due to the efforts of many people, it's just simpler to grasp the exploits of a single individual for our human minds.
Don't forget the Bothan spies. They don't get enough credit.
it's why so many people haven't heard of the diggers, the quietists, haven't heard of Jean Meslier, and many, inumerable more. the history is there, but few look. for every norm, for every "discovery", for every movement and way of believing, there were countless people who did the work, who during horrible times, still hung to what they believed, who were centuries ahead of their time, centuries ahead of the movement's that would change the world. even today. and that's why i'm an anarchist.
It's even more about what I love in the show. Somehow it creates a damn compelling storyline with many themes, and yet it perfectly compliments the original trilogy. It's like Clone Wars with how much it adds behind the scenes and gives weight to certain characters, actions, and events. No longer is it just Luke blowing up the Death Star, he's justifying the sacrifice of so many characters we knew and adding dramatic weight. Leia's escape was only possible because of brave men laying down their lives in the face of a terrifying mask of darkness.
It's so good bro
The season finale's post credits scene was so cool. Revealing that the prisoners were building parts for the Death Star is a chilling revelation that explains why they were never going to be let go. It also ties Cassian's destiny to the Death Star as well. He unwillingly and unknowingly helped create it, but in the end he was directly responsible for it's destruction. Fucking beautiful.
Not only that, he was building the machine that would one day kill him
Which is crazy!
Man I totally missed this! I didn't realise TV shows could also have post credit scenes. Shame
When I saw Beau Willimon’s name in the credits of _Andor,_ I was so thrilled. It makes sense to have the writer for _House of Cards_ to handle the plotlines.
It's a good thing Gilroy was brought on. From the interviews he did, he stated that the original script that Disney presented was pretty weak. It was basically going to be the adventures of cassian doing errands for the rebellion. Lucasfilm decided to share the script with him to ask for his input. At the time, Gilroy said he was done with star wars. He couldn't really bothered with the franchise as a whole and said he didn't understand the hype behind it.
When he got the script, he was so shocked and annoyed that he made a story treatment on the spot and sent it back to them. Few days later, Lucasfilm hires him again and gives him 100% creative freedom to do whatever he wants. So then he was like: "eh why not one more time?"
So then he called up all his buddies like Willimon and other very talented people from shows like Chernobyl and that's how we got Andor today. It's why the show was announced in 2018 and we got it just recently back in september of last year. It's also why leaks around the time stated that K2-S0 was gonna be in the show with Cassian. He's still coming in the show fortunately, in S2 around the middle as Gilroy confirmed.
Can't wait until Summer of 2024!
They should've been the ones to write the sequel films honestly
@@fiercelypolygons3696I love his “mandate” response when questioned about fan service. He said something to the likes of, “the mandate from the beginning was that we would be honest and non cynical when writing Andor.”
Which for the longest time, fan service has felt so dishonest and exploitive. I still don’t get why it exists. A script based on popular opinion? Like it’s the comment section of an Amazon product? Art isn’t a car vacuum on clearance. It’s an analogy of an individual’s experience and struggle. It’s that *ucking simple. But Disney keeps passing out stuff that is so damn predictable and derivative.
Which is a very interesting rebuttal to the fan service machine. I still can’t believe Disney employs research groups and committees to influence scripts. As if fans are good writers.
@@fiercelypolygons3696 Great summary!
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“I’ve learned from Palpatine. I show you the stone in my hand, you miss the knife at your throat. As long as everyone thinks I'm an irritation, there's a good chance they'll miss what I'm really doing…”
BOOM!!! One of my favorite lines that rarely anyone references!!! This show is beyond good!
Finally! Only disappointment was no mention of the music, which I believe to be a MASSIVE factor in just how hard-hitting the emotional core of the series is. So many scenes are elevated to new levels with Britell's stunning score.
I listen to bits of it almost daily
“Eulogy” gets me feeling like I can overthrow an entire empire with a brick lol.
The score is monumental, agreed 👍👍👍👍
I fear up whenever I hear ‘your mother is dead’
if the scene with past/present suite doesn't turn you into a fan of the show nothing will
Andy Serkis had only about 19 minutes of screen time in Andor…and his character was more memorable than any sequel trilogy character-including his own.
He only had that much? What the hell. Keno was one of the most gripping characters in the entire series.
Andy Serkis was already regarded pretty highly by men but now no one can dispute his acting. He perfectly captured who Keno was and what he became. That ending too was just gut wrenching
Andor 🤝Puss in Boots: The Last Wish
Being a great piece of media that is better than anyone could expect, and one of the peakest points of their franchises.
Imagine telling someone in 2016 that a f*cking Puss and Boots sequel and a spin-off Cassian Andor show would be among the greatest media of the decade
@@Luke_SkywaIker Quality Movies and TV get more rare every decade, but Last Wish is a sequel to a Shrek spinoff. Time travelers probably got sick of being laughed at and stopped visiting us.
Andor wouldn’t be included in that. It had its moments but overall is was just okay
@@scoposteve8470 Andor wasn’t a show about “moments” though. The Mandalorian, the BOBF and Kenobi are a series of excuses to build up to cool moments disguised as stories. Andor is an actual story.
@@kungolaf4499 sure it’s definitely a story. Not a particularly great story but most definitely a story. Have you even watched Kenobi or Mandalorian?
Brasso doming the Imperial troop with Maarvas brick was one of the most hype scenes ever. The power behind his yell afterwards just screams "REBELLION".
The battle of Ferrix is better than anyting Disney/Star Wars has done in the past 7 or 8 years.
@EBTHQ They don't seem to be very thick, and I imagine most of the space inside the helmets is for things like communications and environmental sealing.
When I die, turn me into a brick and use it to beat cops.
@EBTHQ I recall someone theorizing that to defend against laser fire the best material for the helmets might actually be certain types of plastic, as it would ablate and dissipate the energy when struck
@@liamphibia rouge One
Andor did something I never thought I'd see: it made the Empire legitimately terrifying. Also, Luthen Rael is probably my new favorite character.
You want a terrifying empire? Read the Swing Books
Maybe you would have seen it before if you decided to not be a casual fan
@@clonetrooper2003 you ok man?
@@adora_was_taken Yes I was just in a bad mood
I wish the empire had maintained intimidation factor they established with immolating Owen and Beru. Seeing that as a kid definitely sent the message that the empire was evil and scary.
The fact that television this good came out of the disney star wars era will always confound me. I'm so thankful for the people who made this show happen.
Created by the man who was a writer for the only good Disney Star Wars movie, so is it too confounding?
@@Kolateak_ Rogue One was acceptable and Andor was exceptional. I doubt the reasons for the former are Gilroy's fault, for the confounding part to me isn't that he wrote (another) masterpiece, it's that Lucasfilm didn't force him to ruin it in pre-production. How the show managed to avoid that fate is the confounding part. Again: super grateful for it.
@@TheInfinityComplexi disagree that rogue one was acceptable it was absolute fire
@@jackwenn_9693it’s been a while since I watched it so I’m not sure but based on what everyone’s saying: it’s a great plot and the characters are good however the characters are also rushed (as it’s a movie and therefore only has a limited amount of time)
@@TheInfinityComplexYup, rogue one was originally gonna be a lot more slow paced and gritty like andor but both Disney and Lucasfilms weren't 100% confident in having the second sw film be a total shift from what the force awakened was. A LOT of changes were made that sadly screwed over the movie big-time but it's still a solid 6/7 out of 10 watch. Lots fun
I've always heard andor is extremely underrated, honestly barely saw any marketing for it outside of that. A darn shame to be sure
GO WATXH IT BRO!!!
You heard right. Go watch it!
Because Disney fucked it by releasing it at the same time as House of the Dragon (positive publicity) and She hulk (negative publicity) with next to zero advertisement
Amusingly the first sign people had that the show was going to be exceptional was that the trailer they did release release was really good.
@@ferhog7705 The trailer summarizes the quality of the series very well
It’s the way my heart *sank* when Kino Loy goes “can’t swim” at the very edge and seeing Cassian try to hold on and stay with him, only to be shoved off before hatching up a plan for them 🥺
My heart sank just like him.
@@brandonnguyen6718🙁
its so frustrating how a large portion of the fan base has approached this series. its easily the best live action star wars since the original trilogy. the fact that lightsabers and the force exist in the same universe at these characters makes it all have so much more weight. really gives the idea of luke skywalker as some sort of superhero saviour, a new hope, a whole different feel.
Someone said it best on the Star Wars subreddit: the franchise is like a restaurant, each patron having their own tastes in content. Maybe the majority don’t like Andor, but that’s okay, they are allowed to like their own stuff, as long as they respect other’s tastes.
This is a great explanation to how this show adds weight to the original trilogy, id even go as far to say it really helps that hero myth of Luke Skywalker, even elevating films like the last Jedi, because it shows just how important he is from this shows perspective.
I agree, it adds a lot to the original trilogy in small ways. I compare it to how the Clone Wars added so much to the prequel trilogy. Both top-notch shows in my opinion.
It's frustrating to me that people either pass it off as boring or "not even Star Wars" when it's clearly neither. Andor could only exist in such an impressive form if it was in the Star Wars universe. And, sure, it's a slower show but when the action gets going there's so much weight behind every movement.
@@elijahalbiston The weight behind decisions is great. Its great writing and directing. The empire was injected with realistic dread and felt darker instead of being just cartoonishly evil.
It really shows how overwhelming a rebellion actually would be.
Kino had some phoenomenal moments. “Never more than twelve”, “One way out”, and “I’d rather die trying to take them down” all got me rallied to do some shit. But Maarva takes the cake on my favorite moments. Two small lines of hers, one that she didn’t even get to say in person, make me tear up and ready to cry like a child when I hear them. “That’s just love” and “I love him more than anything he could do wrong.”
Maarva wasn’t Cassian’s real mother. She had no obligation to take him off Kenari. But she did. She and Clem took him, cared for him, raised him as their own. “He may have been your father, but he wasn’t your daddy.” The fact that she loved Cass, an adopted child she didn’t even know she’d be leaving with that day, as much as she did… it just hits me right in the sternum.
Yeah. This show was loaded with political intrigue. But it was little tender interpersonal moments that really made the show work. Think of marva vs syrills mom. Couldnt have more contrast in parent child dynamics and the psychological consequences are also subtle but present.
I love just how human the characters are, especially the lower level Imperials. Ever since a New Hope, background characters dying have always been met with barely a passing glance. But I really like how the Deputy Inspector and Sergeant genuinely care for the well-being of their men. Death has consequences, and the entire story kicked off due to Andor killing two nobodies. I also found it incredibly wholesome when a small group of Imperial guards asked for time off so that they could watch the Eye.
... that, and how Chief Inspector Hyne perfectly called exactly what happened on Morlana One with nothing to go on other than a familiarity with one of the officers involved, and how Karn completely ignored his wisdom in the matter to show himself as a belligerent bureaucrat.
every comment on this video is a new thing I never thought to appreciate
@@supercococaleb I know right. There's actual dialogue happening. Good stories draw these kinds of people
Another one of my favorite things about Andor is that the set designers were just told “go nuts. Put in starkillers mask. Do whatever Easter eggs you want” and they did that so subtly too. I’m glad they had a lot of freedom
The funny thing is Tony Gilroy didn't even know those were put in iirc
The inner swtor fan in my went nuts when they mentioned rakata and belsavis
The latter was ptsd though
and the fact they used SETS rather than filming every single scene in the volume lmao
@HistoricFlame I know more of kotor so I recognized rakatan, what are the belsavis?
@@Miss_Trillium Belsavis is a swtor exclusive planet, it's a prison run by the rakata where they store jews and communists
Then the republic built a new prison on top where they store communists and communists
Then the sith flew a bus into it to see what would happen (if I had a dollar for every single time the sith flew a ship into a building to see what would happen)
That little 2 second clip of Kino (Andy serkis) standing on the edge saying he can’t swim and he does a little smirk. It’s hard to describe that piece of acting. Him expressing the absurdity of this situation. The hilarious cruelty of it. Idk that 2 seconds is amazing
The entire show I was wondering how and what would happen to some of these characters. Considering it's a project where we know the main character's fate along with most of his allies, it's amazing that I cared. We'll never see Kino again but he was one of the best characters. Apparently even with less than twenty minutes of screen time.
I love the scene where Luthen puts on all the jewelry & wig because it shows that he doesn't put on a disguise when going out on missions, he's taking one off.
The team that wrote Andor should be writing all the live action shows.
Eh. It would all start to feel the same, honestly.
NOPE
It'd be nice but I don't think those writers could survive that.
It would be good to have different writers with different ideas. I want to see the effort, care, and layered complexity Andor has shown in Star Wars projects.
@@justagecko I don’t think it’s that great of an idea. Sure, it may sound promising on paper, but that’s kinda what the Sequel Trilogy tried doing with each of its entries being handled by different directors - and look how well that turned out. Even Lucas’ change in direction was negatively received when he directed the prequels, with many complaining that it didn’t feel like “Star Wars”.
"How many guards on each level?"
"Never more than 12!"
I have never been so giddy and excited for a new episode after those lines! Andor is a masterpiece!
Because he knew the answer everytime he was asked but didnt want to think about it. He held on to the idea that he could just do his time. That was powerful because of course he had thought about it but it was only at that moment he decided there was only one way out.
It was heartbreaking Cassian busting out of that pit of a prison just to find out his mum has died. You could feel how alone he felt.
Another thing I like about this show is that battles and missions CARRY WEIGHT. Aldhani is talked about until the last episode because it’s a big deal that 80-100 million credits were stolen. Whereas in something like in The Rise of Skywalker, the battle of Crait is never mentioned, which is just as if not more important than Aldhani.
It's really lovely that Patrick got to experience this show, and I love that you're keeping him a part of this channel, even if it's just in small ways like the Seal of Approval™
Who is Patrick
@@mcdonaldswi-fi9502 schaff’s brother who very unfortunately passed away earlier this year. From my understanding it was Patrick’s birthday just a few days ago :(
I’m glad they got to share this together. It helps keep a bit of Patrick with all of us.
I will not stop raving about this show. The acting, set design, costumes, effects, character depth, dialogue and tension are palpable. And the action is great as well because it feels EARNED.
Let’s not forget the best character of them all, LET’S GO MON MOTHMA
@@sheevpalps3846 Genevieve O'Reilly was so good in this! I'm glad she's starting to get the attention she deserves, and more appearances like Ahsoka!
Is it as good as Breaking Bad?
Yeah can’t forget the screws, black painted AK’s trying to play off as blasters, the most boring writing known to man and no aliens whatsoever
@@hubertfarnsworth6824 I mean if your fine with breaking bad/better call Saul pace on top of liking Star Wars than yeah id say give it a watch but it’s to early to tell since bb/bcs had 5+ seasons of story lol
Hearing you say that this show had your brother’s seal of approval was one of the sweetest and most respectful things I’ve ever heard. It would be more than understandable if you had paused on TH-cam. But to hear you be able to quietly share your brother’s interests is simply incredible and inspiring. Good on you. I hope you have a wonderful day and your channel continues to grow.
So many good monologues in this show. Even Saw's mini "They're lost!" monologue is still stellarly written and performed. Maarva's speech in the finale, and her small speech to Cassian 5 episodes earlier. There was Luthen's small monologue to Vel to convince her to take Cassian in on the team. Like it's literally everywhere and they're all good.
When Luther yelled, “Look at me!”, I, as an old man, snapped to attention lol.
I still remember being at the halfway point of Episode 7 and getting the sudden realization that the rest of this show was going to be some of the best Star Wars I’ve ever seen
God, and all of this without even touching on Nemic's manifesto. This whole show, it's so good
Hey man, I feel the same about him not even touching the finale lol. So good, all around.
Andor was what I always wanted. The time gap between the prequels and the OT has always been so interesting and I’ve always been frustrated that it was never explored in a serious way until Andor
24:36 The director said he excluded aliens since they were uniquely impacted by the Empire, and thus required storylines specific to them (instead of the humans--the 'average joes' who rise up). So he'll probably include more in the next (and final) season.
Can you kindly provide a source for this. Not trying to gotcha you just genuinely interested.
I hope so. I did think there were a lot of humans. Ordinarily, I'm bothered by it, thinking that they're skipping out and trying to cheapen the experience by using easily acquired human actors (as opposed to alien actors). However, this was just a really good show so I didn't even care. The humans clearly had different cultures and backgrounds and their ideologies were affected by that.
I hope they do add aliens at some point though. Just the cherry on top to impressive Star Wars content
@@elijahalbiston agreed! More aliens in S2, I hope.
Sergeant Mosk had a great line that comes full circle by the finale. He says “Corporate Tactical Security is the first line of defense for the Empire.” He truly believes that he is defending the Empire from threats. But after the Ferrix riots, you see him drinking on some steps. Just thinking on he just saw and what it truly means to be “the First Line of Defense for the Empire”.
It’s a small and missable moment, but it’s one of my favorite little moment from Andor. The series is great and I can’t wait until the next season
Fuck that's so good. I forgot Mosk was still gung-ho even when he's sidekicking Syril in the finale. But unfortunately, he won't be reappearing next season.
The other moment like that I liked was Cassian wide awake before they start their riot
When I first saw Kino Loy, naive me thought, “Who is this bootlicker we’re probably going to have to get past to escape the prison?” And then we saw the elderly prisoner die in front of his eyes. The look of horror on his face as he realized the position he was in. The nervous, long pause as he prepared to speak to the prisoners over the intercom. And those rueful three words when he stood at the edge of the platform.
And then it all made sense, and the tears couldn’t stop.
Andor is good because it doesn't care about fitting the happy ending mold we have had shoved down our throats all our lives.
The characters we learn to love? They die. The cultures that define entire civilizations? Eroded and suppressed by the Empire.
Fighting the Empire doesn't result in a happy ending for everyone, not even for most people.
Andor highlights the grit and sacrifice required for any rebel progress.
Kino Loy was a really great tragic character. However, he made even more sense to me when I learnt that the backstory the writers created for him was that of a trade unionist who was thrown to prison after his union was smashed. So it makes sense that he knew how to be a leader (whether as shift leader or prison break leader) and later could be motivated to sacrifice himself for other people.
It’s my opinion that Kino Loy survives and becomes a rebel general…and it’s not a cheap trick by lazy writers….
In his speech he tells everyone that it will take everyone to escape. To help each other. So I feel that some other prisoners will push him off the ledge and then help carry him to safety. In his gratitude, he helps lead as many of them off the planet as he can and they swear their loyalty to him and the rebellion.
@@411bvRGiskard The escapees helping each other would really be a good plot point that fits Revolution 101. However, I am afraid it was strongly implied that the Empire would be able to hunt down most of the escapees before they find a means to get off panet.
@@Daneelro Yeah. That absolutely makes sense. Maybe I’m too optimistic that it was a big group that saved Kino that he ultimately led off the planet but then it might be a small group. I can’t help believe that his speech, inspired by Andor, had a wider/deeper impact…in terms of the writers’ intent.
Luthen's monologue is one of the best written scenes I am aware of...
Calm, kindness, kinship. Love.
I have given up all chance of inner peace, I have made my mind a sunless place.
I share my dreams with ghosts.
I wake up every day to an equation I wrote 15 years ago for which there is only one conclusion: I'm damned for what I do. My anger, my ego, my unwillingness to yield, my eagerness to fight. Has set me on a path for which there is no escape.
I yearn to be a saviour against injustice without contemplating the cost, and by the time I look down, there is no longer any ground beneath my feet.
What is my sacrifice? I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them. I burn my decency for someone else's future. I burn my life to make a sunrise that I know I'll never see.
And the ego that started this fight will never have a mirror, or an audience, or the light of gratitude.
So what do I sacrifice?
EVERYTHING.
Stay with me, Loni. I need all the heroes I can get.
It really put an already interesting character in perspective.
one of my favourite details is that in the Aldahni Arc Cassian says to Nemik that he sleeps like a baby the night before pulling off a job when nemik is wide awake and restless, but in the Narkina V arc cassian is restless. Its showing he is changing, that there are stakes now, something bigger is taking a hold of cas and it think its that level of detail that i love
The show prioritized good and bold storytelling first and nostalgia last.
Each and every new starwars release after this NEEDS to do the same
Actual thought out characters who’s personalities effect plots instead of having your storyline driven by cameos and buildups to “epic” fight scenes… who would’ve thought?
Sony could pull off a balance between nostalgia and storytelling with NWH. Lucasfilm has skill issue
It was still nice to have the little bits of nostalgia but not being so heavy-handed like in some other shows. The only Nostalgia bait I caught was starkiller's helmet, the name drop of the Rakata, and the prison World Belsavis being mentioned
As it should be
Can we all talk about the shows score though? It is breathtaking, definitely my favorite ost in all of Star Wars, there’s something so elegant and beautiful yet so tragic about it. The final scene in episode three hits so hard with the track Past/Present Suite. The music in this show enhances the story in a way I haven’t seen in a while. Some of the most powerful pieces in Star Wars.
Oh my gosh, thank you! The score just brings me to tears with how beautiful and emotional it is. Past/Present suite is some of the most excellent Star Wars music I've ever heard.
Niamos is a banger
@@blythepineda9929 Legitimately, that scene is when I realized I was watching something truly amazing. The music absolutely played a massive role in that.
I just love that scene, I love this show.
Nicholas Britell is a musical genius imo
Since the show came out, I've never found enough words to describe how much I LOVE Nicholas Britell's work on this. EVERY. SINGLE. MUSIC. PIECE.
Since the first season ended, I kept listening to the OST on Spotify until today and ended up appreciating even MORE masterpieces like:
- Niamos! (BOTH Coruscant Lounge and Galaxy remix)
- Maarva's Rebbelion
- Tourists Don't Run
- Six-Year Sentence
And all of them are JUST from Episode 7, and that's even more surprising considering I haven't mentioned yet:
- My Name is Kino Loy
- Your Mother is Dead
- The PEAK Forming Up/Unto Stone We Are
- Eulogy
- And my beloved The Rebellion Suite
The only thing I pray most about everyday is that Nicholas Britell returns for the 2nd Season. This series has more than one only core, and the score, Britell's work, is one part of it.
For me the best scene, I think, was Maarva's funeral - the procession, the scenes of the close-knit community in mourning, her final speech (which is amazing in-universe but also is so timely and relevant today), the fight that proceeds. Absolutely amazing.
This show proves that just the universe of Star Wars is enough to be extremely compelling. We don't need the characters from the main storyline, because the every day struggle of citizens living in that universe is so gut wrenching and realistic. Also I don't hear enough about Andor's soundtrack. The eargasm I got during every episode's intro and ending was immaculate.
I swear, in recent years it’s the things that people say that “no one asked for / wanted ” that have the best storytelling. Here, the story reminded me of what made the animated shows so fun to watch without the child filters that often held back early seasons. Was it perfect? For me, no, but every show needs to find its footing, and here we have groundwork for something unforgettable ❤
"No one asked for this" is incredibly flawed logic because relying on what people want is a much more common recipe for bad material. A product that wasn't in demand if often a product that someone just really wanted to make. Of course, exceptions like Morbius do exist where it just feels like a company was desperate to use any property they could get their hands on, but that kind of trash is usually recognizable through the fact that they still made a generic looking movie out of the unknown property.
In an era where it feels like media is more reliant on familiar franchises and brands more than ever it's honestly concerning how many people say "No one asked for this" because it implies a good chunk of the audience doesn't want anything original anymore.
I think it’s because the ones with fan-favorite characters have risk-averse executives breathing down the creators’ necks for the whole of production, which also gets more rushed so the fans don’t have to wait as long between announcement and release.
Almost like those are the shows with the least studio interference.
@@ferhog7705 "no one asked for this" isn't flawed logic. It was an observation of a commonly held view, by Maja. I, like many people weren't hyped for Andor when I heard it was in production, and was pleasantly surprised, to the point now where it's one of my favourite shows. Rogue One was OK, it didn't blow me away; I found the characterizations of most of the characters to be a bit lacking. If anything, it seemed like Lucasfilm were willing to dredge the depths of side characters to build shows around, which was more of a worry than an assurance of quality. Retrospectively, Cassian is a great character, but only due to the development he got in his show. That's it. It's not any more complex than that, and I'm sure Maja wasn't trying to win a future internet argument with psuedos, with that comment.
What "child filters" are you even talking about here at all? What?!
I have to say, I was won over immediately- after the first five minutes, I realized this was going to be something different. The pacing was slower, but that gave characters the chance to be characters and made the punchy moments all the more impactful.
Same here. That opening scene, with the ambiance and witty dialogue, told me instantly this was going to be different. I never felt any of the first 3 episodes dragged. I saw it as art unfolding before my eyes and I wanted to see the complete project. A lot of shows nowadays have action after action...nothing wrong with action...I like action...but action absent the stakes at hand is not as gratifying as when there is that building tension that leads to the explosive moment. Andor is truly a gem!
Feel the exact same way
@@s.patterson5698 Same here! It showed restraint and an intent to make something unique and character-driven, but something that was still distinctly Star Wars.
@@s.patterson5698 I’ll admit I was worried it was going to be another meh show when the next scene was with the robot. I was like “oh they’ve been forced to throw in light stuff to lessen the serious side”. I’m very glad I continued watching and soon after that loved the series.
(I will say it was not until half way though the season did I really relax. I’m so used to meh to terrible and uncanon worthy shows from Disney that I was worried the show could go off the tracks.)
I love this show. Absolutely one of my favourites of all time. Any time Dedra was on screen, I got chills from how evil and yet so compelling her character and acting is.
She is a garbage ysanne isard ripoff
Can we talk about Diego Luna’s incredible acting too? Mostly in the prison part, his eyes speak a lot. To do not add the incredible soundtracks. This show is a win in every sense, can’t wait for s2. I hope it will be of the same quality
something i loved about Andor is how it shows the empire to the audience. Calculated, blood thirsty and genuinely scarry and dangerous
They didn’t need Sith to show how they could wreck havoc in the galaxy.
Not just that, but also still realistically human as individuals. They have families, their own (skewed) values, and in some cases seem like victims of the rigidity of the Empire, just trying to keep their heads down and do their jobs. But the key thing is, they do this without compromising how evil these people are.
Another neat detail was the sheer number of obstructive Empirical bastards we see throughout this relatively brief season. Apart from the main two villains we see attempting to rise through their respective ranks, the roster of "bad guy in charge" is in near-constant shuffle mode, because that's the nature of the Empire - a massive, sprawling mess of oppressors no matter where you turn, none of them truly important beyond their small sphere of influence. It really puts the "vast and terrifying corporate machine" aspect of The Empire into perspective.
Especially because it gets you thinking how horrible it would be if it happened in our world.
And then you realize: it already did. Multiple times
On Aldhani, they made a *single TIE fighter* terrifying.
Honestly I find it interesting how by the empire hunting him down for being a rebel, he actually turned into a rebel
I hadn’t seen the whole show at the time and knew he went to prison at some point but assumed it would be for the heist. Finding out they got him for just standing around was wild
Parallel to big companies calling everyone racist and sexist all the time, maybe?
Oh, and homophobic.
@@Halo_Legendexplain???
@@Halo_Legend nice gibberish you got there.
This is what happens when you write a good story first, then put it in Star Wars. Tony Gilroy isn't a fan, he doesn't care about nostalgia and familiar characters, but he's a brilliant storyteller. This is what we should expect from what has been called the greatest franchise of all time. I think Andor is far beyond the original trilogy or anything they've ever done before. Sure, missing some of the fun aspects, the force and sense of fun adventure, but we can have that too and also do first class writing.
Having watched Mando S3 episode 6... how the hell was that script approved, even by Favreau himself? What was that? It's so obvious now that we've seen how good Star Wars can be.
Andor: I hate Tatooine, it's coarse and rough and it's in every goddamn series.
Maarva’s monologue in the final episode is by far my favorite moment in the show. Watching the people of Ferrix unite was such a powerful moment. Fight the Empire!
Bro that had me in tears, angry and wanting to fight the Empire too. That entire scene is breathtaking.
Such a powerful speech with so much truth
On the set she actually said "Fuck the Empire" and they played that in front of the actors in the crowd to get them convincingly hyped up
-This message has been taken down by the Imperial Ministry of the Interior for harmful propaganda and extremist rhetoric-
But fr tho, I loved Maarva's speech
To have Andor followed up by Mando season 3 is a bigger tragedy than Kino Loy not knowing how to swim.
😂😂😭 rip our man
No
Rip darksaber
Mando season 3 literally could not have come out at a worse time. What is in all honesty just another mediocre/average Disney+ Star Wars show feels so much less satisfying and more underwhelming when it's released just a few months after this masterpiece, to the point where I kind of feel bad for Favreau and Filoni
Mando season 3 is better than kenobi and boba fett but it’s not even close to as good as andor
Honestly this is the first time I've ever felt like the empire was a genuine threat that should be feared. After watching the movies and rebels the empire always comes off as extremely incompetent and stupid. The only time you feel a sense of tension is when either Darth Vader or palpatine comes on screen. But here in andor the empire is actually something to be taken seriously.
I like that not only is Luthen forgotten but so, practically is Rogue One. They're so important to the Rebellion as a whole, and Luthen gets no lines and Rogue One gets a single line dedicated to how much their sacrifices were important to bringing down the Empire.
It's remarkable how this show is already adding more layers to Rogue One and making it feel even more meaningful
Andor is the foundation that is built for Rogue on to rest on, which is the foundation that the entire OT is built on (retroactively)
Well it also speaks to the like Mon Mothma has in Return of the Jedi that many people died to get them the information on Endor. It makes you think about how many people whose names will never be remembered. How many will never be like Han and Luke and get medals by the Princess at the end.
The rebellion is so much bigger than the big three and I love that Tony and his team have taken the time to say that.
I think Star Wars is at its peak when it's talking about politics. The original trilogy was an allegory for the Vietnam war and the American revolution. The movies were openly in favour of the rebels fighting against an unjust oppressor that sought to destroy the people's way of life and culture. Similarly, Andor tackles the prison labour system, the cost of fighting a rebellion and the banality of evil.
Hear hear. You'll never hear me complain that a sci-fi show's thinly veiled allegories are "too political."
"when it's talking about politics." and if george lucas isn't in charge of writing the political dialogue. The scenes with mothma are a billion times better than anything similar in the prequels
@Present Future They have to do it right though. Only a few shows like Andor did it.
The first movie practically hid the allegory of the Vietnam War by using the imagery of the Nazis. Andor, however, is directly concerned with fascism itself (which, BTW, used prison slave labour in practically all of its historical manifestations that reached the stage of seizing power).
While I love the Luthen's monologue, I think the best scene for me has to go to Maarva's eulogy. The build it up with the marching band where the crowd just grows larger and larger, the raw power of the eulogy itself, Luthen seeing first hand that thing missing from his rebellion is heart, and then to cap it all off, the call back to Nemik's manifesto that the Empire was so busy looking up to find Andor that they didn't see the rebellion striking from below. It's so perfect in the way that it ties the entire season together into this triumphant stand against the Empire. I just love it.
I love how much Rebels and Andor complement each other. Two very, very different shows that work perfectly with each other. To think there are still people out there who refuse to watch Rebels because it's animated and refuse to watch Andor because "we know what happens to him, no one asked for this" completely boggles my mind.
As much as I adore the masterpiece of storytelling the heist and prison arcs were, I think the biggest achievement the show has done was the season finale. One of the most heartbreaking, poignant and thrilling hours of television I have seen was watching how the culmination of Andor trying to save Bix, Marvas funeral, Syril’s obsession and the Empire’s oppression of Ferrix exploding during the ceremony was masterful. Every action made from the point that Andor kills the security officers to the end of the season was a masterclass of escalating conflict and should be studied as far as prequel media should go. Seeing how the events of Ferrix truly kickstarts the rebellion is one of the most satisfying things Star Wars has ever produced.
Well said
I also love how the Empire is scheming and Luthen is scheming..... and then to the surprise of both parties, the one factor they both ignored in their calculations, the people rise up; the Empire is hurt more than anything than Luthen was planning to do there and Luthen was given a gift that he was going to kill. That gift was Cassian, the man who would light the fuse that leads to Luke Skywalker destroying the Death Star. "It's like poetry, it rhymes. Hope it works." *Laughs in George Lucas*
My favorite thing about Andor compared to The Mandalorian is the fact that every action has consequences, and that there are actual stakes. The riot that takes place on Rix Road is a direct result of Cassian shooting the security officers in episode 1. The cause/effect buildup in Andor is played out and paced so much better than The Mandalorian has ever managed to. On top of this, the characters simply feel more real and like actual characters. To compare with Mando again, a lot of Favreau and Filonis characters feel unemotional, uncharacteristic, and bland. It really just feels like action figures running around. The characters in Andor have traits that actually mean something and affect their decisions to advance the plot.
I mentioned this in my own comment, but I completely agree. My favorite episode of the series is the final episode which shows the people of Ferrix explode into a full rebellion against their oppressors that is a direct result of 2 measly security officers being killed by Andor. Perfect escalation and thrill writing that has my jaw dropped by the end.
Well said. I enjoy Mandalorian for the mindless fun it is. But ANDOR...that's a whole different animal...a show that makes you think and relate it to the world around you. Mandalorian is a single sit watch...Andor is multiple viewing material.
I fully agree. For me, the Favreau and Filoni's shows felt like the "Funko Pop sellers" side of Star Wars. Bland, mindless fun with below average writting filled to the top with fan service and cameos to get r/StarWars threats and reaction channels active. The way Andor is directed and written feels SO much different in comparasion. You can tell the passion and the eagerness they had to tell this story.
Filoni and Jon seem to have a problem writing female characters especially. They are all the same “badass girl boss” cardboard cutouts. Absolutely boring with about as much depth as a kiddie pool.
Meanwhile Andor comes out of the gate with so many amazing, complicated _people_
You have Marva, who puts the obnoxious Armor lady and Bo-katan to shame. Talk about a _true_ inspiration to her people, and she didn’t even need the McGuffinSaber to do it.
All of the women in Andor are strong in so many different ways - ways that Filoni and Favreau don’t seem to grasp, beyond giving their strong girlboss an oversized blaster or frequent “badass” fight scenes
I.e. competent writing as opposed to slapdash drivel.
I honestly slept on this show at first, and eventually forgot about it until I saw you started raving about it on Twitter. So I decided, "Y'know what, why not" and holy crap ignoring it for the first 7 months is one of my biggest regrets, this show is fantastic. Thank you for showing me the light Schaff
I'm really scared for season 2 to come out. Cause now that we know they are still capable of telling amazing stories It's gonna be so much more disappointing if they mess it up. This show made me care about Star Wars again and I really hope this wasn't a one off kinda thing
As long as they get tony Gilroy to write it again I think we'll be ok. The worst thing that could happen is Darth Kennedy and Disney rush season 2 just so they can get more money
In a way it's lucky that Andor wasn't as much of a success yet. After Mandalorian Season 2, the meddling started, and now the Mandoverse is dead. Let's hope the executives remain busy beating Mando's corpse a few more months until shooting of Andor ends this summer.
@@Peter-jl4ki "Mandoverse is dead" because you personally disliked a finale. Why are Star Wars fans so unbearably pretentious, and over-dramatic?
What gives me hope for this next season is that it will be the last one. Knowing that they will therefore need to work towards the definite ending should give the season a good sense of direction and allow them create new themes and stories rather than retread the ground they already covered.
@@cynicat74 I didn't dislike the finale, I disliked the entire premise of this season and I hard disagree with how they mishandled Grogu and Din Djarin. I don't care about the universe. It's just a bad show now.
Seasons 1&2 of Mando weren't perfect but they had a heart, and overall the season 2 finale was a perfect send off to the characters. We didn't need more, and if we were to get more it had to be really beautiful and amazing to justify undoing of the season 2 sendoff.
This 3rd season was shallow and pointless.
PS I don't care about "mandoverse", I judge each show separately.
What I love about Andor is how its the most mature feeling star wars show - everything feels so real. Also the music slaps so hard and is definitely blade runner inspired
SO real! I've honestly never felt such visceral immersion in a Star Wars... anything. All of the emotions, the highs and the lows, are so palpable throughout the show.
My biggest gripe with this video is that i wish it had been an hour long😭there is so much meat on the bone that is Andor that i wish you’d have enough time to cover all of it. From Martha’s eulogy to Dedra Meero’s ascension. The show is so nuanced with every aspect. Down to the last minute detail. They made sure that everything in the show has purpose. It feels like Lucas’ work almost (although he had his goofy moments) he took Star Wars’ storyline very seriously and there hasnt been a piece of Star Wars media that shows this much respect for the viewer since his departure from the franchise. This is a work of art through and through. It has something to say. It isnt the mostly empty fodder that Disney has been throwing at us for the past few years.
I absolutely love Andor. Through watching it by myself, with family, and friends, I watched the series 3 times within the span of a month. Never bored with the show for a second.
What you said about the actress who played Mon Mothma was almost similar to what was said to her at Celebration during her interview
Speaking of celebration a bunch of cosplayers as the prisoners all lined up and ran across the centre yelling One Way Out.
When I saw that moment it gave me the thought of “this is what Star Wars is all about”
Honestly this show was so different than the other shows in style and tone it’s almost hard to believe it’s the same universe.
God you’re so right. Watching the season 3 finale of Mando today, I think about 7 separate times I thought “that was kinda silly, andor wouldn’tve done that.” I don’t know if this show is a blessing or a curse because of that lmao but I adore it all the way
@@akorn9943 writing of most Disney SW shows was always below my (reasonable) standards, it's just bad. But artists and many of the cast put so muc effort into it that I had to see it.
With Andor I didn't have to compromise, I was thoroughly immersed. That's how it should be.
I've watched this series 6 times now. I always pick up something new that I missed the first time. This show is so deep it can be rewatched and rewatched and you learn something new each time. THIS is what SW should have become.
SW should be treated as a genre and be a source for all kinds of stories. You can have romances, spy stories, actions stories, etc, just set in this universe.
Andor truly is a masterfully made Star Wars story and I want more stories like this in the future. But beggars can’t be choosers
Yeah i want Star Wars to be boring too.
@@Lone432345 me too NOT
@@Lone432345 grow up
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@@TheGalaxyWings What is watching a boring show about the most boring character in Rouge One have to do with Growing up. Not everyone love British Soap Operas.
I've probably watched more hours worth of videos about why Andor is so good than the actual show😂
Guess you're like me, not entirely believing we actually got something this good in the midst of destructive milking of SW brand by Disney
Same. 😬
Y'know i've heard the show being good and basically just started not expecting much and still enjoyed it a lot maybe just go into it if you have time with lesser expectations so you can have some feeling of being surprised that it was something good.
Andor was truly one of the best Star Wars content in years. Too bad that many people didn’t saw it or skipped over it.
Andor is the best Star Wars thing ever
I was hyped for it, I've always enjoyed any content that concerns anything post ROTS and pre Episode 4.
Disney will keep catering to an audience who will never understand what they actually want.
The appeal of Star Wars is too wide for the collective to form intelligent views as a whole. They will hate almost all disney content but will never understand why as they brush off the only show with consistent and enjoyable writing behind it. They will watch the less nuanced and more bombastic shows with lightsabers and bounty hunters because they don't understand that a better and far more mature story can be told in this universe.
The BEST SHOW AT THE WORST TIME
-the Critical Drinker
It feels like it's starting to get a bit of momentum as more of us rave about it to everyone we know. I think my best selling point is telling people who are cautious that it's nothing like any star wars before.
Behind the KOTOR games this is the most well written piece of star wars media. It outdoes all the movies easily.
I still need to finish those games. I don’t know how much of a gamer Schaff is, but I’d really like to hear his thoughts on Traya as a character.
@@alpacawizardman6778 from my limited knowledge it seems Schaff plays the types of games you'd expect a theatre kid to play.
I was instantly hooked on the show due to one fact. When we see people killed it’s most of the time Stormtroopers or scum & villainy types. We’ve become kinda desensitized to death so to have Cyril talk to the audience through his coworkers like, “Why the hell are guys just standing around, men were murdered! This is a huge deal!” was really refreshing.
You know it's a great piece of media when Schaff isn't into it at first but loves it later on
I love Andor because I think it's the best depiction of how rebellions/revolutions actually form IRL against fascist regimes. It's not a sudden thing caused by a single hero, it's a slow, gradual process of societies/communities realizing how bad things are and that they have only one recourse to make things better for them and their loved ones. The Empire's reaction to the Aldhani heist, and the people of Ferrix's reaction to that in particular I think is super well done, super realistic. The fascists react to an attack on their power by cracking down and increasing the oppression, prompting the people of Ferrix to realize they can't just keep on keeping on, ignoring the Empire. They are emboldened to show more obvious outward signs of resistance, with the ceremony for the death of Maarva, a beloved member of the community. The scene with that march in the street is also fantastic, because it is a sci-fi depiction of something that has happened in real life tons of times. There is some sort of large, peaceful community gathering/event, but the fascists are paranoid and suspicious that it is going to be some sort of riot/act of rebellion, so they surround the protest with police/soldiers, who escalate tensions until a riot breaks out. This allows the troopers to fire on the crowd, shutting down this riot but likely only inspiring more in the future.
I’m pretty sure the last episode was inspired by a certain event that gave us international labor day.
I’m so glad you mentioned how Andor and Rebels both take place during the same time, because it’s SUCH an amazing detail and it actually makes me love those shows even more. Both of them are on very different sides of the Star Wars coin (…credit I guess?), but knowing the other is out there, knowing the horrible atrocities the empire is committing but also knowing there’s Jedi and rebels and hope, just makes the galaxy feel and so much bigger, but even more connected.
I know this is basic audiovisual reading, but I love the way the two great monologues in One Way Out are filmed. While the lightning during Kino's speech is high-key and the environment of the setting is all white and bright and full of movement, in Luthen's monologue he's covered in shadows, standing still in an empty void and with only one angle to capture his expressions. I absolutely adore this contrast considering the nature of their speeches.
The unfathomable validation this video gives me... Andor was incredible, and the first time in years I could justify my love for this Franchise. It truly is... the one way out
It’s such a shame lots of ppl who would have liked it didn’t see Andor because of Star Wars fatigue. It’s a great show on its own.
The other half just complained about the lack of jedi and cameos
Yeah I'm one of them. I think I'm mostly just waiting for that spark again but there's just too much (thanks marvel) going on with that front. Like I don't mind watching 10 billion things but you gotta make me like it at the same time. If you got 10 billion things to tell me I also got 10 billion things to do instead of listen.
Yeaaahhh...sorry about that. I guess that makes me one of them. Not the fault of the show obviously.
@@larryfoulkeofficial8609 and its funny too cuz so many Star Wars fans were dedicated to watch every piece of shit out there from Disney but the second anything gets genuine praise from fans they cop out. Or they complain that its too hyped up and don't try to give it a chance. I saw someone say they were so bored they skipped to the end and in non-chronological order watched episodes and still complained about how bad it was. Not always people's faults, but it doesn't help how media works nowadays and how we grow more and more impatient, those first two episodes are too slow for so many people.
Would you guts recommend the show to someone who only knows the basics of Star Wars? After the video I"m midly interested.
I said this in some other youtube video comments but when Mon Mothma first appeared in Andor I'm pretty sure I audibly groaned. And by the end of the series, I felt like she was one of the most essential characters in the canon.
I’m not sure which monologue I like more, Luthen’s at the end of the Prison Arc or Marva’s post mortem speech in the finale.
Ha, why choose? I'm just happy to be getting consistent, riveting storytelling and dialogue!
@@eggomylego2278 Because the second one is followed up by the greatest brick joke of all time.
at first i didn't really like Maarva's speech that much compared to the bombastic nature of Luthen's and Kino's. But in the past months I've rewatched Maarva's speech so much, its so emotional the way it ramps up the tension with the brilliant music (not over the top or classical), with a bunch of different character actions in the background, subtle moments like the snitch questioning what he's done and Bix listening in, and how each character reacts differently. Also the message is so great, Andor feels quite timeless in that way, i mean its such a modern deconstruction but ive seen a fan point out how 70s it is, and honestly it feels like it'd be the flipside of filmmaking in the 70s where Star Wars was a lot more uplifting bright fun, Andor is the sort of critical (but not cynical) sober political themes.
Obviously Mon Mothma dinner party monologue. I got chills from that one and I immediately rewatched it several times
@@brendanfitzpatrick670 Smile :)
Ever since Andor finished, my father (not a fan of the prequels or sequels) has been rewatching the show nearly nonstop. He must've rewatched it thirty times; he ADORES the show.
Your father is a shill
The scene that completely hooked me was in episode 4 when Luthen invites Mon Mothma to the back of the art gallery. In a second, they switch from the public charade they've been putting on for the spying driver to tensely discussing operation details of supporting the rebellion. Andor isn't just great Star Wars, it's great television.
First of all, Andor is a great dystopian genre TV series, then it's a SW series. It doesn't seek to exploit all the concepts and characters and lores that fans keep buying, which most of other SW series does and eventually became cliche. The solid script-writing makes it connected but also independent to the influence of this IP which explains why it's so good.
Luthen's speech was the "I am your father thing" all over again. The Euphoria of the lift stopping and revealing himself, the nervousness of Loni, everything was perfect and ending with the best monologue in any star wars material after an absolute rollercoaster of an episode. E-10 is my third favourite episode of television.
You mean you mean the luthen speech?
Also a scottish imperial officer guy says "Shit" at one point and it's not cut off or replaced with Bantha Poodoo or Dank Ferrik, so that's pretty epic 👍
My favorite scene is the moment in episode 9 when the prison work shifts are changing, and something bad happens on the opposite end of the prison. The feeling of unknown panic and fear was incredible.
My favorite character is Syril, because of his unique blend of tragedy resonated with me on a personal level.