H&K UMP: An H&K SMG Made for .40 and .45
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H&K introduced the UMP (universal machine pistol) in an effort to attract sales from American law enforcement by offering a modern submachine gun in .45 ACP and .40 S&W calibers. The MP5 was and remains an extremely popular SMG, but it has never been made in .45 caliber, and that was seen as a popular option in the United States. The UMP was designed as a thoroughly modern gun with polymer upper and lower assemblies and a blocky, easy-to-machine bolt. It does retain the closed bolt operation of the MP5, providing much improved single-shot and first-shot accuracy compared to most SMGs. It was designed initially for .45 caliber, and then barrels, bolts, and magazines followed for .40 S&W (which was popular at the time) and 9mm Parabellum. The rate of fire in .45 is relatively slow (about 500 rpm), although it is faster in 9mm (more like 600 or 650 rpm). Sales have been primarily in the larger calibers in the US, but a number of security agencies in Europe have purchased UMPs in 9mm.
Thanks to H&K USA for access to bring this UMP to you!
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Willy Wonka's security team use these: the UMP-A variant.
I hate you
Stop trying to be funny, and be funny.
@@johnanon6938 don't they use them in tandum, with UMP-A and L-UMP-A both being used in various parts of the factory?
@@stevenbobbybills They also use the UZI-ITY-OO
Took me a second... *sigh*
I love that some of the guns aren't so forgotten.
You can only forget so many guns.
Highly forgettable gun for people that don't play video games
Ultra 1031 Ultra 1031 scalding!!! Haha, I play video games, but I recognize that guns rarely match up to video game counterparts. IRL though, the UMP’s recoil system makes full-auto fire a fair bit more jarring(less effective) than the equivalent roller-delayed system in say, the MP5. This video probably says it the best. I think it’s great for what it was intended to be, while looking great. Ian’s channel is definitely starting to trend towards the “unforgotten” weapons, but it’s a minor quibble, as his content is always superb, and I just love learning about all of them.
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To be fair, it isn't as well known or as famous as the MP-5.
If he did something on HK guns, they're not really forgotten. Except that one civilian rifle.
"Ump" is the sound one makes when slapping the charging handle
Or when my poop drops down the toilet bowl.
*oomp*
@Karafallout 1992 "ump" *slaps* *bolt*
@@jjayala5512
UwU
*hears an UMP in the night *
OwO
*slaps charging handle *
What kind of gunky ass charging handle do you use?
"Hey! You're H&K, the MP5 guys!"
"Yeah! We do so much more though. Like this, we have these new models, like the MP7, or the UMP!"
"Got any MP5's left?"
*long sigh
"I'll check the back room. You're sure I can't interest you in a..."
"MP5!"
"fine."
I'd take the UMP over the MP5. I prefer the .40 or .45 over 9mm
@@aaronsanborn4291 As much as I joke, there aren't many guns with a more badass profile than an MP5k rocking a vertical grip and a 30 round mag. So, that would still be my personal pick, at least for aesthetics. Big fan of their pistols, such as the USP and it's derivatives. Also, 9mm hollow points are a thing, you know.
@@jamessutton3461 Lmfao looks have nothing to do with being effective
@@aaronsanborn4291 I'd honestly take the MP7 over the MP5. I don't even know why, I just like the 4.6x30 that it fires.
@@Trve_Kvlt the MP 7 is good for close protection but as a weapon for taking down someone in one or two shots yeah give me the UMP
1:50 "..this is is an extremely simple gun that is faster and cheaper to produce."
HK: We want $2000 for it.
If they sold them for a fair price, more civilians would want to buy them, and HK doesn't like that idea for a variety of reasons. "Enforced exclusivity" is one of their primary selling points to LEOs and governments.
I mean, they want 6000$ for an MP5, so...
H&K hates their customers.
@@Jayhawkga Sounds pretty German.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine But then if there was no gun control, every dumbass with a wallet would own a gun and civil war would break out faster than you can say "ammunition".
Compared to that i'd take high weapon prices any day. If anything i'd say that it's a feature rather than a bug.
5:30 At first I thought you were having a personal moment with the UMP.
you have to pay for that video
Nicholas Pope 💀💀
Why do we allow are selfs to drift further away from god’s light?
I don't think Ian's MAS would take kindly to that
Ian is a lefty ;)
Damn, H&K has designed so many amazing and iconic weapons. G3, G36, MP5, UMP, MP7, USP and so on. The gun world would be boring without them.
Don't forget g11 the space magic rifle
HK33, MG4, MG5, P30, VP70...
The world still is boring because WE CANT FUCKING BUY THEM. Damn laws... and HK.
@@thog3594 blame German export law and US import law. HK is more than willing to sell their designs where they can.
@@arnekrug939 oops, I meant MG4. I'll edit it.
Is it just me or does the UMP just look wrong with the 9mm magazine, the rest of the gun is so angular, and then the magazine is curved.
Get it in 40 or 45 and that isn't an issue, the 9mm is a problem you are stuck with for a reliable magazine for tapered cartridge.
@@cardiffpicker1 Regular ammo works OK with a straight mag, hollow points is where it really gets bad.
I agree. The curved mags just dont look right
@@Vanalos you can get mp5 straight magazine but i have heard far more reliability issues than a curved magazine.
This gun exists for 45 ACP, 9mm is just an extra option, of course it won't look right with 9mm magazine. It's a product targeting US's obsession for big bore.
With that G36 in the background, I keep expecting a "Eyes over here guys" from Ian somewhere in the video.
I think he did a video on it
@@btyrreddagger2065 He did a couple - there was some controversy a while back about overheating G36s which he convincingly dismisses.
Be glad the G11 isn't in fame.
It is very distracting, isn't it?
G36 are so disgusting
It's the fabled... UMP SISTERS!
The 404 gang is back
beautiful
Sadly one is dead
@@sleepy_boi7552
RIP
@@dereenaldoambun9158 you know who i meant
if you ever want to do some videos with my UMPs----let me know!
IAN Y U NO TAKE HIM UP ON THIS!?!?!?
Agreed
Yes!
@@chinesemassproduction COVID-19
Get verified bro.
Comment section as expected, welcome every commander.
Its a good 2nd round rush B, buy
Thank you for the welcome, fellow commander.
G&K represent!
DEFY shitcan represent
Thank you, Commander!
"You always told me to stay out of freeway"
"You said it was suicide"
"Than let us hope, that I was wrong"
UMP shines in that scene.
It had an almost unlimited magazine too, well I guess they can code that in.
The Twins chase is always where my mind goes when I think of UMP. Either that, or Modern Warfare 2, where it was the most popular SMG in multiplayer. Usually silenced, and/or FMJ.
@@Seeker-wq8jc I ran mine with an ACOG...I made some questionable choices back in the day.
I actually love the Glock 18 in that scene.
@@WhitzWolf92 Isn't ACOG actually viable since the recoil of the UMP is almost nonexistent?
"...We've got one good UMP, they've got a thousand... We don't even know if Makarov's intel is any good."
Shows picture of vector.
YES!!! MW2 nostalgia.
@@marklee1194 You see they remastered the MW2 campaign and released it yesterday?
@@HotboiEngineering Yes.
@@HotboiEngineering I know I'm late but I'm gonna cop it for 26 cad 😎
it's either Counter-Strike or GFL.
nice
Gotta bring those UMP's to the Maldives
or both
Pubg dude
No MW2, disappointed
Feli Free rip :(
UMP kinda hot tho
Hotter than the MP5, imo 😎
chopping board
Nymtard Ah, a man of culture!
Dude she's as flat as a shooting range target
@Camp Matthew *doe
BEHOLD THE UMP SISTA!
UMP9 :3
UMP .45 (flat)
UMP .40 (dead)
You want a nose implant of what??
Not write spoilers.
Ump9 = 404's doggo
Shotgun weebs tend to find the .40 and 45 a bit sssssnappy. It hurts their wrist.
UMP 9, 404s less psychotic version of soppo
It was dirty using this with a suppressor and fmj on mw2
tru
why would you use bling over soh/scav
@@wish CoS tbh I was a rush style player, I’d always push the enemy and so usually I wouldn’t have to worry about running out of ammo
It was even dirtier in MW3 with rapid fire and a suppressor. Thing just hands you a positive K/D on a silver platter.
It would eat!
Last time I shot one of these was when I was working at a shooting range on Fourth of July in 2008. None of the other employees wanted to work on the holiday so me and another guy volunteered to open the range for the half-day and get time and a half pay too. A Uniformed motorcycle cop pulled up out front, this was back when I was smoking cigarettes when I was 21. So I told my manager, “hey there’s a police officer in uniform about to come in.” We had cops come in all the time but never in uniform. So we figured he wanted to look at the books or something, but turned out he had a UMP 45 in a hard sided case that fit on the side of his motorcycle. He wasn’t a member or anything, but he said he needed to sight it in for his department in order to transfer it to another officer. I told him I will pay for all his ammo if he lets me shoot that. He was super cool and said you don’t need to pay for my ammo but you can shoot it. The gun shot amazingly well. And I hit this really tight groups that my manager was shocked that I was a better shot with a machine gun and he was even said so. This was in California of all places! Haha I made time and a half that day, and got the shoot a post 1986 machine gun on the Fourth of July! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 definitely drew a crowd and a lot of smiles from the other members.
Ah. The grey room. Of all the rooms I’ve never been to, this ones my favorite
I was working at a shooting range as an RSO on the 4th of July 2008. A police officer came in with a UMP 45 to sight it in. I asked him if he’d let me shoot it and he agreed. The gun shoots amazing, incredibly accurate in full auto. That was a great way to celebrate July 4th, and I got time and a half pay too!
we just need a HK416 video to cover the whole 404 Squad!
also, after watching this video 2:15 INTENSIFIES
I know this is an old comment, but the HK416 is far from forgotten, since it's now being used by the US military. ( M27 )
@@user-mi1nw5wi1z i mean Ian's covere plenty of weapons that definitely aren't forgotten already. HK416 would be good to go ahead and add
At some point in his life, Ian is going to have his mail forwarded to HK's grey room.
My organization just got rid of it in favor of a short barreled AR pattern. As an instructor, it was really easy to train guys on it. Stored really small so there was a definite niche that the new ARs don't fill. We did have 30 round mags for .40. Don't know if that was standard or something my organization insisted upon. Our course of fire called for a 21 and a 29 round magazine for qualification. With the standard of hitting a human target within 100 yards, this weapon was every bit as effective as any of the AR variants we use or have used. Thanks, Ian...I greatly enjoy this powerful resource and refer to it often when I teach.
Gonna have to disagree with Ian a bit, I think most users of the UMP would buy it as a anti-eco gun or possibly if you suspect the Ts went for AKs but not armor.
I stopped playing CS:GO in 2014 but back then and even when I played 1.6 I would just always get the UMP instead of M4s and in 2 rounds be buying loadouts for team mates. Such an underrated weapon in not only CS, but a lot of games honestly.
@@ZeFluffyKnight Ho boy you should try Modern Warfare 2's UMP45, cause that thing was the bees knees
@@ZeFluffyKnight in classic counterstrike the UMP was held back by having a really badly aligned model. Change the weapon model to something that actually points the way it aims and people tended to do a lot better with it.
@@ZeFluffyKnight it is also pretty good in Payday 2 as the Jackel SMG (= 'UMP .45' cal) with higher hitting power & 40 rounds than the Compact-5 (= 'MP5' family);
...when equiped with the extended mag (the 'stock' mag is 30 rounds,) and has excellent accuracy (close to medium distances only) and a reasonable stability for a SMG, and easy to use stock iron sights, high RoF in auto-mode and very good stealth 'concealment' values all...
...without additional weapons modifications, or the user's/player's skill selections and their 'perk deck' modifying aspects of the weapon stats.
But it does have a low ammo count for the character/user/player, requiring the skills that refund and drop ammo more often for every 6 kills and bonus ammo for single-fire mode headshots every 5+ seconds, particularly if a/the player is bad at aiming or trigger-discipline and/or is facing bullet sponge enemies like Skull Dozers - have a 5/7 AP pistol as your pistol and aim & shoot only at their faceplate & visor. and in half a mag to 2 mags, all dozers will tend to die fast.
@@ArcturusOTE Idk about the Modern Warfare 2019 UMP because I don't unlocked it but if it is close to the MW2 version this gun is owning
Forgotten Weapons
is a Family :3
Might want to remember ump9's warning.
Based :3
So can I imagine Ian as Commander of forgoten weapons. From Full enginered Kraut Space Magic (G11) to dual cartridge Deringer ?
“For .45 and **.40** “
**Butterfly incident intensifies**
If you know you know
@asiopdru afiopugiop en.gfwiki.com/wiki/Lore
Rip ump40
Despotricando also a good answer
A decent design that's lagging out due in large part due to price, pedigree,....and the simple fact that in the 2000's.....one can have an assault rifle, fireing rifle caliber cartridges, with about 2 to 3 times the terminal ballistics potential and effective range.....when compared to ANY pistol cartridge fireing submachinegun.....in almost the same size package.
I've always found this to be such an aesthetically pleasing gun.
One more of the grey room's delights
Every time something moves on that gun the sound gives me happy feelings.
"You lock the bolt just like the MP5" But Ian you forgot to say you can slap the bolt just like the MP5, the most iconic feature of both of these guns
REMEMBER THE BUTTERFLY INCIDENT
William Kim what?
Trung Lê Quốc yes in deed, I had a -bullet- headache at the time
Thank you for covering these non-forgotten weapons, too.
Love my UMP. Thank you for showing everyone, Ian.
I assume you own a semi auto one? Is so what Cal, 9mm, .40 Cal or .45 ACP
It seems like almost everything HK makes is really elegantly designed.
Yeah... Almost
*Looks at G11*
@@get_serious4953 G11 kinda sexy tho
It should be when considering what they charge
America: ump
Germany: UNIVERSALE MACHININ PISTOLE
"Maschinen-Pistole" ;)
You mistook the sequence
@@PinkFoxzzz yeah he did.
AMERICAN=45 acp
GERMANY =9MM Luger
@@Prxpagandalf You noticed an 'I' instead of an 'E', but not 'universelle'?
Also 'Maschinenpistole' is one word; there is no - dash.
Merry Christmas
;)
Many moons ago, I shot my first two full-autos at a shooting range: a 9mm MP5 and a .40 S&W UMP. While the two guns laid there side-by-side on the bench, I could have sworn I heard the MP5 say to the UMP: "Sohn, ich bin enttäuschen."
I always liked the UMP lines, here in Spain the Guardia Civil, the Cuerpo Nacional de Policía (the cops), the Ertzaintza (the vasque country police) and the Mossos d'Esquadra (the Cataluña police) use 'em in 9mm, along with MP5s; i've seen that the Guardia Civil ones have the two rounds burst on their fire selector, dk about the other cops.
Hell, I remember when I was about to get back home, I notice some cops holding UMPs
@@Tool683 I guess that because most of their job it's made indoors and and SMG offer more fire power than a pistol while still beign compact; the guys with the ARs and shotguns use to be outside the houses/buildings and next to the cars too.
@@Tool683 other then cartridge being too powerfull for police work maybe? Imagine situation when "too much penetration" is is an undesirable outcome (like when shooting indoors where you don't know whats behind the next thin wall with hostage/crowded situations) (not an expert, just speculating. I heard this same argument about police in czech republic using hollow point pistol ammunition - the main reason given was that the round is less likely to penetrate and cause havoc to the people/stuff behind the target)
@@Tool683 Yes there is, here in Spain the official round for police use it's the 9mm, they've 5.56 and 7.62x51 too, but what they use on interventions it's 9x19; that's what they are ordered to use.
@@janhulek785 The spanish police must use regular FMJ 9mm, it's illegal for them to use any non FMJ cartridge, other than 00 and slugs for their shotguns; all police or police like forces, like the Guardia Civil i.e. must use FMJ cartridges.
Having full auto examples of both the MP5 and UMP in our shop, I can say with 100% certainty the MP5 is the better gun by leaps and bounds from a user perspective. The UMP has a heavy and jarring recoil, the MP5 is smooth. Roller lock won the day, and the UMP comes off as HK's attempt to cheapen production to save money, not to develop a good follow on to the MP5.
I haven't had the opportunity to fire the MP5. The UMP did not impress me.
that's entirely what the UMP is. they could've re-chambered the mp5 for 45 acp. 9mm and 10mm develop more chamber pressure than 45acp. so i don't see what the excuse for creating the UMP was. it does nothing better. the msrp is not appreciably less to a military/LEO. basically, everyone wanted the HK p7 and HK developed a Hi Point and tried to sell it at a similar price. the UMP is an insult, "we bet we can sell you dummies this hunk of garbage"
Gotta love when one of your favorite channels posts a video of your favorite firearm on your birthday.
Ah, Germany. God bless their little clockwork hearts.
Finally! I've literally been waiting years for you to get your hands on one of these. It's one of my dream guns to own. I always thought it would make a great compliment to the USP .40
I just wish someone would make a UMP for less than 2k.
Yeah might as well 2nd round buy the deag
@Omne Obstat *Shot them
@Omne Obstat I believe that is only in your head if you do it in reality XD
Hysteria357 when I say less than 2k I’m thinking like 12-1500 not 1850 for it without a brace.
@@Possumsmith-l8d You can get them for around $1695 from Atlantic Firearms. I don't know how good an Omega Gideon Shadow is though.
I picked up a usc a month ago. Moved to Texas and did the ump conversion. Mags in the mail! I'll be shooting it for the first time next week
Gun Jesus has become my favorite TH-camr over the past few days.
I'm German so I don't have a need for a firearm at all, but learning about guns irl is so darn interesting.
Thanks for making so many videos! I learned a lot!
"wandering off a bit" Dude, wander all you like. It's all good.
Prepare for some shikikan culture in the comment section
Gun jesus finally reveal the holly "Flat" Bread for us to share
Why are there shell casings all around you, oh yeah you said that word and ump45 noticed.
Neural Upgrade epic
Still flat
@@dawnblade9126
But it an holly "Flat" cause Gun Jesus blessed it :3
James deGuzman :,(
H&K just has a good line up of guns.
I still can’t get over how truly quiet the mp5sd is.
Brings back MW2 memories.
This is one of those guns that are seen the most in films and games.
rumors say ian hides a tent in the H&K Grayroom
oh this weapon has not been forgotten
Ian really, REALLY got a large amount of material from H&K's grey room. Absolutely fantastic stuff as always Ian!
I really appreciate how the channel is spreading to more popular guns as well. Your videos are easy to follow and offer very entertaining knowledge.
This isn't my introduction, Battlefield 4 where every engineer for a year was using this frikken thing
It’s a real shame we have a ban on newly manufactured machine guns.. I’d love to have one of these for home defense
"This is just a simple... Erm... well, 'simple' blowback."
Aaah, so German "Simple".
Gérémy Sorlini Giguère yeah, pretty much
My old qual shoot for the SMP - MP5 - was a 15cm circle target at 10m in low light, full kit including gas mask. We upgraded to the UMP in .40 cal. We were passing the qual shoot, which was reasonable hard with the MP5 on single shot, on 3 round burst with the UMP. Most accurate, and the most comfortable to hold, weapon I ever used.
Holy Jesus, I caught your vid at the "uploaded an hour ago" mark! I guess today ain't so bad after all!
I wouldn't say the UMP is forgotten, not really. Overlooked by the mp5, yeah probably. It's either that, a MAC10 or an Uzi that people think of when you say "submachinegun".
Still, it's nice to see you back in that H&K grey room. It's nice to know that you _do_ in fact leave that auction house every now and then.
It's a great video tho Ian, thank you very much. You always bring such interesting things. Thanks!
A lot of the guns he features are in fact the opposite of forgotten, not just this one
When I was at HK the guys said that Ian did all the recording in a day or so and that he would release videos over time.
69deputy what? Are you saying he’s been in that grey room for like a day or just a weekend?
I never forgot this one.
The 3 down votes are Sig MPX owners.
Haha! Perhaps. I like all three though. I trust the MP5 the most, like the MPX the most, yet I am more interested in the UMP as a firearm.
@@TH-camViolates1A everyone wants the gun they cannot easily access
@@johnbacon4997 huh, that explains why I want ALL of them!
This thing is a really awesome looking piece of engineering, I always loved it
The integrated dead-blow bolt was really interesting to see. I didn’t know that was a thing.
That's a feature in the Ruger PC Carbine bolt too, but they do it a bit differently with a solid tungsten weight.
That vertical grip is everywhere
Where's the HK-slap demonstration ???? 🤔
... disappointed! 😐
I was waiting for a tribute to Hans Gruber HK slap, and it didn't happen. 😪
@TheT34Tank
"... that's right, no more table, where you going pal ....*slap* .... "
RIP Marco
@TheT34Tank Glass? Who gives a shit about glass?
I don't think the UMP is meant to be slapped, as there's a notch on the handle slide to discourage that [ie 2:54]
@@Shepard_AU Why discourage that behavior when H&K themselves flat says that's how you operate the weapon? Now get on your bike and piss off.
In France, the Police and the Gendarmerie both use the UMP, un both 9mm and 45 acp. They also use the Berretta M12, I think they like the idea of a slow firing smg for police use (I'm not aware of they were ever used but...)
Now I realized that makers of Counter-Strike implemented this single-shot accuracy in the game - no matter what you do (even jumping) the first shot from the UMP is always on point.
@@oktayyildirim2911 geberally yeah, that was an exception IIRC. Too lazy to look it up and its been a while since 1.6
@@MightySavagE Wow, I feel like a total jackass. You're right-in the GoldSrc games, the first shot in each magazine actually is perfectly accurate.
I love this gun in game. Usually high powered with a slightly smaller mag
Would be interesting for Ian to fire the UMP and compare it to the MP5! I know he was surprised that the mp5 was as good as advertised so his comparison would be informative.
Hey Ian, I got my copy of Chassepot to FAMAS today. Not quite one to two weeks after all. While I have a cursory knowledge of these weapons thanks mostly to your channel, I look forwards to learning more about them through your book. The volume itself is an aesthetic masterpiece and the quality of construction is high. Congratulations on a job well done and I hope you enjoy the continuing satisfaction of informing and educating others.
5:28 "...and ze bolt doubles as a shaker, for jam sessions during ceasefeuers."
Thank you for producing this video two thumbs up love your channel you are making me smarter every day
UMP 40 is [REDACTED]
>:(
I have recently started playing UMP in new Modern Warfare and this video suddenly showed up today.
You truly ARE a Gun Jesus.
I like how alot of details on the gun is.....................flat~
Shhhhhh, she might hear you!
We have one at the shop I work at. In years of use it's only needed one $12 recoil buffer and it's been perfectly reliable. It's incredibly controllable and actually more fun than most others.
Metal powder in a gun. Space technology indeed.
We have already made the perfect submachine gun. What do?
We can make it maybe cheaper? Instead of metal, we use plastic. Instead of roller delayed blowback... uh... put powder in the bolt.
The bane of all castle players. With that 600 rpm good luck outpeeking an r4c
2:07 doesn't have the same ring as "RTFM"
One of the guns I want the most!
Always love your videos, so informative, stripping the weapons and saying how it all works together is by far my favourite thing about the channel ♥️
I went to an indoor range with an old buddy and he decided to rent a UMP.45 ,best decision of the day ,it was my first time shooting a real full auto smg, it was a fun experience by far. The only down side was the cost of Ammo at the range.
Never have I been this early before. This was a good day, especially when it's an UMP video.
I like how ian explains the gun as if I'm considering buying one
I get the impression that Ian is one of the few non-H&K employees to have unrestricted access to that grey room.
Has anyone else rented the UMP40 at Shooters Express in Charlotte? On full auto it was some of the most fun I've had with my pants on!
It kinda has low damage with low fire rate, unless you have good aim its hard to get headshots with it and the kill time on 3 armor attackers is long...
Not to mention you cant put an ACOG on it.
Sah dudes
Got myself a USC and love it!
I am starting to think that "Gun Jesus" travels/films for 6 months then edits for 3 then relaxes for 3
I appreciate H&K For allowing these videos by Ian / Forgotten Weapons! Thanks folks :)
Ah yes Thot Twin 1, 2 and 3. Best SMGfus
@@kalashniben9005 :3
Oh god not the :3 face
@@sleepy_boi7552 :3
@@Cinkodacs get out
@@sleepy_boi7552 Family time :3
This gun is beautiful in every way.
"I want the oomp!" (c) Nevile
"fwuk you bith"
MAH NEEM INT NEVIL YOU BITH
Never thought i would see this crossover
Oh, it's HolyN'Evil
Cam in de butbut
Cam tha aero
Is shot the MP5 in my time in the army.
I liked it alot.
Wow the cz evo 3 truely is a slimmed down ump
Saw article, that Finnish Police is thinking of changing MP5´s to EVO 3.
The evo 3 is an angry ump
@cody sonnet yeah I've seen that too, not an issue with full autos but the semi auto conversion is flawed by cz in it's out of battery safety mechanism or lack of effective one. Seems binary triggers are the ones that blow up
Taistelukalkkuna Got a link to that article? Would love that :)
UMP 40 was my favorite subgun.
I first think of Sicario 2 when I see that beauty
Got to fire one at Kirkuk AFB around 2007, the resident SF team there had a .45 acp model in the team armory. Nice gun.
God what id give for one in .45 one of my favorite sub guns
In .45 it would be ideal for use with a suppresor. I also like that new LWRC smg in .45.
@cody sonnet I suggest you read the 2016/2017 joint agency defensive handgun ammunition testing document. The 45 is always 1.5 times as effective as the 9mm, sometimes more. Please educate yourself before posting your opinions.
Decidueye in a sub gun ok but not in a pistol where you have to sacrifice half your mag capacity and get more recoil
@@sparkling925 All assumed downsides of the .45 can be solved by not being weak. My EDC is a 1911, and I can shoot 45 +P faster and more accurately than any of my friends can shoot their plastic fantastic 9 mills. And magazine capacity only compensates for people who are bad shots. Most civilian involved shootings are over in the first three shots, first three seconds. I want the most effective hits on target that I can get. Also, more rounds is a quick reload away. So many people act like reloads don't exist. That, and 45 is 1.5 times or more effective than 9mm. So me carrying 8+1 is equivalent to you carrying 13.5 rounds of 9mm. If I were to do the math of total round count, (I carry 32 rounds total every day) then that means I have the equivalent performance of 48 rounds of 9mm. Seriously, read that document I was talking about. It'll open your eyes. Being in the military, I still wish my unit carried the 1911. I'd feel more confident with that over an M9.
@@vlogfriendsutopia this is biggest fudd lore bullshit i have personaly ever read
I can already hear heartbeats.