MP7A1 vs MP7A2: H&K's Modern PDW
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Today we are taking a look at H&K's PDW, the MP7. Specifically, we're going to go over the changes made form the MP7A1 to the MP7A2 pattern...
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HK products are so advanced, the identifying marks on the bolt assembly blur themselves when needed.
Lol
Must've been a bitch and a half editing this.
@@SirSaladhead i was thinking the same thing
@@_Itchy_Bones_ exactly haha
That was so distracting. Is it serial numbers or something?
According to H&K, the difference is:
MP7A1: Peasants can’t buy it.
MP7A2: Peasants can’t touch it.
There will be a civilian version in the future.
@@martinmartinus8992 First we need a new batch of hk41/hk43's
@@Vanalos why, you have the zenith and the others...
@@martinmartinus8992 1. they don't really get imported into the EU 2. I want the real deal and not some turkish clone..
@E Van ;-)
"it is significantly more complex than fn's p90". that came totally unexpected for a german made weapon.
Isn't German engineering usually pretty intricate?
@@SR-wz2iv think you'll find it was iain's sarcasm
@@markholbrook7482 thought it was maybe the commenters sarcasm, couldn't tell
Just wait for the Swiss version.
@@SR-wz2iv it was the commenter's sarcasm.
Somewhere in the world, at this very moment, highly trained people are performing critical, high-risk missions with a weapon designed for cooks, and mechanics.
Plot twists, the operator is also the cook for the whole unit.
@@minhducnguyen9276 lol statistically demonstrable.
@@kerednilon4276 Can you imagine one day they reveal the guy who shot Bin Laden and he is indeed the cook for the whole unit. As he quote:" Bin Laden Just got served".
@@minhducnguyen9276 "Revenge is off the menu." Sprinkles 4.7mm shells on Bin Laden like Salt Bae...
@@kerednilon4276 "Revenge is best served cold, and in full auto". Then throw MRE on his dead body.
It took H&K 54 years to put out the SP5. We should be seeing their civilian MP7 around 2055.
I dont know if the fact they produce semi-auto versions already will speed up potential release date or delay it further because you know its H&K
Given that it's an HK product, that might be the necessary amount of time to save up for one.
its called a PERSONAL defense weapon, yet citizens cant buy one for themselves
kinda hypocritical there eh HK?
the thing is that there is a semi auto version, it's manufactured exclusively for the uk mod police, why they haven't tried to market the weapon to other law enforcement agencies or even civilians is beyond me.
HK not into civilian sales
I'm surprised this weapon wasn't covered back when Ian basically lived inside the Grey Room.
Limited time I'm guessing.
I just didn't have enough time to do everything there.
@@ginosko_ Ethan?
@@ginosko_ Ethan?
@@tenhundredkills "Hi, i'm Ethan Mukkullen, welcome to Archaic Arms"
The German Bundeswehr did adopt it as a main weapon for everyone who can't carry around a G36, like helicopter crews, medics, artillery crews, truck drivers and so on. You see it quite often when you look at pictures of German troops in Afghanistan or Mali.
I can confirm this, the Bundeswehr adopted it for its intended purpose.
To some extent. When I did my conscript service in late 2010, I was stationed at a logistics battalion and standard issue for us was the G36. I'm not aware of any MP7s in our entire base, except for maybe with the Feldjäger company. But I've never seen one, and I was never trained on the MP7. I also know of medics who got issued G36 rifles.
However, the MP7 certainly does exist for such troops as well in the Bundeswehr, I'm not sure how it was decided who gets them and who not. Maybe it was still a transitional period, maybe most of them went to Afghanistan at the time, I don't know.
@@Hurricane2k8 when i did my service around 2008 there were MP7s around and every crew man that was deployed got them. But us doing the compulsory service didn't. We still used the MP2 (Uzi) at the time. Simply for the fact that they were expensive and it took time to replace them. So the people in the field were of course the first once to get them. In fact my platoon leader nearly shot a guy with the thing during his first tour. He basically got one when he arrived in Afghanistan, never trained with one before, never even saw it. :D
@@Hurricane2k8 The MP7 is standard in the whole Bundeswehr. And what do you mean with issued G36 rifles?
Several german police forces have also begun adopting it as replacements for MP5s, especially special forces.
Much easier to work with for an entry team kicking the door down than a full-sized rifle, yet more capable than an MP5 when it comes to barrier penetration.
Designed for: easy to use in such a way that untrained personel could defend against a paradrop of special forces.
Actual use: special forces paradropping into situations fighting untrained personel.
Uno Reverse card.
I wouldn't say untrained but otherwise yes
I heard from a reliable source (a special operation guy) that it totally sucks in that role.
*Combine Overwatch noises*
@@roccosfondo8748 well, it does have low stopping power, that might be a reason.
@@roccosfondo8748 Why?
I really appreciated the visual comparison of the cartridges. Sometimes it's difficult for me to understand cartridges as I don't ever see them in real life, so I wish you'd do this more often, take a 5.56, a 7.62 or a 9mm or whatever and give us a comparison if you can!
@D R I can't speak for GB, but even though I live in United States the only cartridge I've handled is the .22LR. Everything I know about guns is mostly from books, videos, web articles and talking to people. Even with loose gun laws it's just easier to learn things that way.
Ammo is a great visual for these videos, but many places have specific rules against live ammunition in the same room as guns. So many times it’s just not an option
"It could have been a simple blow back."
H&K and simple would be an oxymoron.
Every H&K firearm except the G-11 is magnificently simple. Simple to make, simple to operate, simple in operation. The G-11 is what you get when you put out design requirements that are, in a technical sense, bonkers. So you get a complicated gun.
Apparently Germany has a law that says their military kit always has to be over-engineered.
I have an H&K that is a simple blowback. Although it does come with four different caliber barrels, four different magazines, and a specially designed screw driver used to flip the bolt face and move the firing pin from centerfire to rimfire. But it is a simple blowback. :D
@@lbh002 You wanted a pistol that can be used in four calibres over two different types of primer-striking, you got a pistol that can be used in four different calibres over two different types of primer striking.
Did you expect it to have one barrel and no hammer? It is not a simple problem and so you get a moderately complicated solution.
German army actually do use the mp7 as a PDW for driver etc.
True, it's made as PDW for units and soldiers which are situated a bit far from battle first lines, like an artillery crews, persones from comunications, logistic hubs and various auxillary units. Soon after weapon's introduction, the MP7 in all it's variants are adopted as weapons of choice for different special purpose units, profesional bodyguards, etc..
I think it's in use in Norway too. My friend who actually served told me some of them were issued an MP7. Norway uses a lot of HK guns, namely the G3, HK416, MP5 and MP7. The MG3 too, but that's Rheinmetall. Now I didn't serve in the military, but several of my freinds did their mandatory service. And we all have a common interest in guns and stuff.
A very cool gun thats probably been in more games than actual troops
Honestly I doubt many troops would like to have these in them (or any firearm)
@@yorick6035 lol
@@yorick6035 every single Marine and army troop I've ever spoken with who has shot this says they love it. Honestly it's kind of hard to not love this gun after you shoot it
Probably the MP5 has been in more games than any other gun
@@mascadadelpantion8018 I was referring to having the gun in you, not in your hands. There's is big difference.
The Bundeswehr uses the mp7 to arm their tankers. Propably the closest it got to its intended purpose.
Pretty much everyone who doesn't carry a g36 carries an mp7, if I recall correctly.
At first glance I misread "tankers" as "tankies" and never had I felt more disturbed.
I think in general drivers and even pilots get the MP7. I have seen Scandinavian (don't recall which country) machine gunners and anti tank troops with the MP7 as a PDW.
@@luxfux8764 you're right, it's not only germany other countries use the mp7 too for their artillery crews, logistics, armored veehicle crews, and literally anyone that's not on the frontline and doesn't have a rifle
I agree..both working tanks and its crews are equipped so...
honestly, the blurring of the ident. marks is mad impressive, the way they keep up and turn with the gun is really well done, props to the editor
It's also incredibly unecessary.
@@ThePonchoJoe ok and?
@@ThePonchoJoe And it's also incredibly easy to do, it's the program that does the tracking. 12 years olds use the same option to stick real faces on fictional characters in meme gifs. So.... 0/2 lol.
I was wondering if itnwas just a serial number being covered, or a proprietary mechanism thats still classified...
@@ThePonchoJoe it must've been requested by the gun's owner as he never hides markings in other videos. It's hide the markings or don't show the gun at all deal probably
The German army actually uses the MP7 for it´s purpose. Tank crews, transportation and logistic soldiers, medical corps and military police are the main branches equipped with MP7. But you can also find MP7 submachine guns in other units. Had the opportunity to shoot it a few times. It´s like a toy gun, a deadly little toy gun. My air rifle has more recoil.
Much like Belgium uses it's P90 in the same role, but almost no one else.
Odd, my air old air rifle had no discernible recoil... lol
I understand what you mean, kina like less than a .22 cal rifle. ( I realize the MP 7 is .177 cal, like many air rifles - good comparison ).
10:21 thats some impressive editing
i wonder what the reason for it is
@@ianwinter514 if you ever wonder that, it's always 'legal reasons'.
Same
Yeah, wonder what it was they were having to hide?
@@ianwinter514 My guess is they dont want HK germany to see the serial number of the gun.
It is used in the German Armed Forces Tank Crews. They used the Uzi before wich got replaced by the MP 7.For me, using this Weapon for this purpose ist a perfect fit.
So basically the same as the Belgian armed forces uaing the P90 for that purpose.
Also uk armed police. That and the sig 228... armed like special forces lol
Given the popularity of the MP5, one would think they would have replaced the Uzi with it for the non-combat troops prior to replacing it with the MP7.
@@12vscience Too expensive. The Bundeswehr has always been underfunded by NATO standards.
@@12vscience The MP5 shoots 9mm, which isn't armor piercing. So it would be useless against troops wearing body armor.
The Norwegian military is one of the largest users of the MP7 as far as I know. They signed a contract for a delivery of 6500 MP7s back in 2007 and are aiming for it to replace all MP5s in service. Unless something has changed that I'm unaware of.
Germany has also started buying them. For now as another option for frontline soldiers like paratrooperse; only secondary role for now is that tank crews will get it.
@@termitreter6545 Some 5-6000 of them as of a couple of years ago, as far as I know. They also (used to?) rent some out to Berlin police for arming SEK (our take on SWAT teams) officers and the like, until the Berlin Police got the ones they ordered from H&K, IIRC.
@@tilmanahr Yeh that sounds about right!
@@tilmanahr Several LKA and BKA special units also got them. Last time I was in Cologne some high ranking politician was there and he was protected by (very obvious) LKA bodyguards with MP7s, although they tried to conceal them, but I got a few glimpses of them.
This is indeed correct. Most of the MP5 is swapped out with the MP7 in the Norwegian military, as far as I know the only one still using the MP5 is the Norwegian home guard. It's an awesome weapon which serves it's purpose very well. And as some other's have mentioned the German army uses them for troops who may need a compact gun, the Norwegian military uses them for that purpose as well, for instans to truck drivers and medics and so on.
Greetings from a Norwegian who have served in the Norwegian Army.
The pistol sights on this honestly made me giggle. Its just a cool feature and I love it
1:44 "Let's dive into, how exactly the MP7 works, because it's significantly more complex than FN's P90."
Wait. WAIT. You're telling me, that the over-sized automatic pistol is *more complex* than the future-alien-space-gun with sideways facing ammunition, (in the magazine,) that's a bullpup top loader with a 90º helical feed ramp?
Freakin' Germans, man...
For all of its weirdness, the P90 actually has very few moving parts. This thing has a vast number of moving parts which aren't even expected in its genre of firearm.
Nobody steals the title of most complicated gun from Germany.
_Nobody_
I always thought that the mp7 is what happens when Germany makes an Uzi
@@TheFirstCurse1 I mean, I know this, but for years I thought the off-axis cartridges were individually rotated into alignment with the bolt like the how it works on the G11. Turns out this kind of ridiculous over engineering is a largely German phenomenon.
(Then again, the G11 is in some ways built like freaking revolver autocannon, and much of the complexity is because the action recoils along with the barrel, separate from the housing, allowing a three-round burst to be fired in its entirety, at something ridiculous like 2400 rpm, before any of the felt recoil affects the user. Given that no one adopted the G11, and its closest functional relative in the AN-94 hasn't seen much use either, it's doubtful if this level of complexity has much merit in the deployment of individual small arms.)
@@RamadaArtist well, the trouble with the G11 and the AN 94 burst features, is unless the shooter is actually a competent to excellent marksman, the "benefit" is negligible, and if they are a quality marksman, you've only upped the rate of fire, and ammo cost, with no gain on lethality, as shooting someone in a lethal pinhole twice or thrice won't make them any more dead, and full auto works better for covering fire.
It's a similar problem with flechette rounds, any discernible benefit is only really going to work for someone who doesn't need the advantage, making it a waste of resources
The MP7 is up there with my favourite weapons, surrounded mostly by other HK weapons because HK could make pipe into an amazing gun.
Which they most like have done 😂
The lord has spoken
@@markusmottus1686 G3?
@@davideberth2603 don't you mean stamped?
They can make a pipe into an amazing gun in the same way a great chef could make a stone into an amazing soup, by adding so much extra items and complexity that it is no longer recognizable as its original form.
Not to say H&K makes bad weapons by any means.
The Norwegian army has issued the MP7 to rear echelon personnel mainly.
When I was in force protection we were issued MP7A1s as the 416s would be too unweildy in an indoor environment.
The purpose of a PDW is to force the adversary to kill you rather than taking you prisoner. Maybe not what you thought it was for?
@@dbmail545 That’s pretty funny. It seems like those cartridges are better suited to a full sized pistol that’s capable of armor penetration and large capacity without a lot of recoil.
@@dbmail545 Nonsense. It is for support personel where "a standard service rifle would be an unnecessary burden during their normal duties"
The MP7 is issued to German MPs and some soldiers in Garrison, so it is at least in small portions given to the people it was intended to
At first I read this as members of parliament and thought "wow they take government security seriously"
@British Airways Boeing 747-436 no MP as in military police. They're called Feldjäger and the ones with MP7s are for building security and bodyguards.
@British Airways Boeing 747-436 someone said those are semi only
@@demonprinces17 greetings back to someone, he or she shouldn't talk about stuff he/she doesn't know about
@@hatiskalli1954 their are multiple people saying that the British carry semi only, maybe you should learn something before talking out your ass
I love that this proposal is literally "What if Red Dawn happened?"
American living in Germany here. I saw the local police carrying the A1 (or the previous) outside the local courthouse. I knew what it was, but couldn't remember the name. Glad I found this video.
Oh hell naw the combine is patrolling his house
I love how the mp7 looks and I never get tired of seeing it in games
Fallout 3?
A friend of mine carried an MP7 during his compulsory military service with the Norwegian Defence. He personally really liked it, and how compact it is.
FYI: Norway has adopted this as a pdw. Fased out the mp5 in favor of this, even home guard/reservists are getting moved over from mp5 to mp7.
Not just MP5 replacement, also P80.
Along the Germans, the Norwegians use the MP7 for it's intended purpose.
Saw this somewhere about an all female ski unit, actually the first time I saw the MP7...
I had an MP7 for almost 6 years. For anyone in a support role its great. If I had one issue with it its that its too small and weighs too little, so as a medic you lose control of it if it is in a sling. A holster would have been nice.
@@andtheinternettkills I thought medics were off limits and didn't carry weapons? Or is that an outdated concept?
@@mawfackinmoodyakamoodstera9615 lots of combat medics now are even being issued with standard rifles
@@andtheinternettkills they make holsters for the mp7 and there not bad
It's ballistics work when the target wears thick layers for winter in, say, mountains. It's size is perfect for particularly tight confines such as tunnels or very narrow vertical crevasses. Even suppressed, it's almost whisper quiet and very controllable; a big plus for when your target speaks Chechen and is wearing body armor.
Are you speaking from experience or conjecture?
@@BeingFireRetardant
Complete and total conjecture; now if you'll excuse me, it's been a long, arduous, day of LARPing in the basement AO and the S-2 just provided critical intel that my tendies are done ; )
I've been waiting for this episode for years
The primary weapon of civil protection
Not to mention Dr. Freeman
@British Airways Boeing 747-436 uh mate, try searching Half Life 2. We're talking about a game
Pick up that can.
I was literally just thinking this lol. Don't forget the H&K USP Match.
I bet even their Manhack drones are H&K production (although they are quite fragile now that I think about it).
"What if we make a simple blowback?"
HK: "we don't do simple".
But in German...
It's a German thing. An admirable characteristic in my opinion. I might be slightly biased though given my lineage.😉
Last time HK tried "simple" they ended up with the UMP. Not exactly their best seller. lol
The simplest the ever get was the UMP but the bolt still has to be designed like a dead blow hammer. So the bolt still has to be slightly more complex than a simple block of steel
Not to mention allowing for the option of making 'yeet class' ammo in 4.6, that might tax a blow-back system.
Imagine you wake up one morning and you see those holy words:
'SP7A2 announced for civilian markets'.
Some of us even have limits on slingshots.... your scenario will be more than a wet dream
I'd mess myself. Joking aside, not quite sure why I think this weapon is the COOLEST damn thing I've ever seen.
We traded in our G3 and MP5 and got the 416, 417 and the MP7 in the Norwegian home guard.
Operators: "We like this weapon, screw those REMF's."
REMF's: "DAMMIT"
As stupid as it is, most Operators are REMF's technically. They aren't frontline forces, they are either behind the line or somewere so far past it, that they are among the enemies REMF's.
Also consider that most operators share the same skillset with the REMF's, they spend alot of time training alongside them to master these skills.
A frontline rifleman may be trained in EOD or some other skills useful on the frontline.
An operator is a rifleman who is also trained as atleast one of the following a mechanic, cook, medic, intelligence officer, etc.
Is only natural they saw the REMF's toys and went "yoink". Operators steal everything, nailing it down just means they steal the desk its nailed too aswell.
@@cgi2002 Ummm, no. Either you don't know enough about what real genuine operators do, or you don't fully know the definition of a "REMF". Either way, no.
@@sportosp-0158 tbf REMF was misused in the original comment. The actual REMF's aren't going to armed with these or even close enough to be bothered by paratroopers. They are going to be sat back in the capital city complaining at one another that their golf scores aren't good enough, while figuring out perfectly stupid ways to get good men killed.
The people I was referring to are basically your support forces, not quite frontline but geberally still in or near the theatre of operations, they are the ones who would have the MP7. They are in no way REMF's they are just "the guys in the rear" that let the guys in the front do their thing.
Properly trained operators have most of the skillset of the rear support forces ontop of their combat focus. In a unit of operators you should have a mechanic, electrician, cook, logistics tech (or someone with these skillsets, it is very useful for independent operation). As for intel officer, tbh most operators really should have that skillset, as they are mostly used as Intel gathering forces rather than direct combat. My experience has most operators speaking multiple languages, been very tech savvy, and often as not appearing to be friendly(ish) when not in a combat situation, as to allow them to work better with local assets. And I am not kidding that they will "acquire" anything they deem useful regardless of what anyone else says.
That said this likely varies by nationality and approach, I am viewing this from the perspective of the British.
@@cgi2002 Expedient field acquisition is a trait shared by every competent soldier, Tier one and two operators just have better leverage and bargaining chips.
@@JainZar1 that they do. They also tend to be sneaker and run faster, so you don't notice it's gone and by the time you do, they are far away.
My cousin told me a few stories of his time in Iraq, the para's had a habit of "acquiring" the .50 cals off disabled vehicles to use as static turrets in their FOB, even built their own makeshift mounting systems for them. He said he was honestly surprised they never tried to steal the 120mm of a challenger that was down for engine repairs, they would steal anything. But he also said that in all honesty, they were the best guys to have covering you in a fight.
Hello Ian, I must object: in the German Bundeswehr the MP7A1 and MP7A2 (in its "coloured" outfit in RAL8000 "Green-Brown" what is more greenish than coyote, being the "old Afrikakorps" colour) is widely used in its "original" role as a back-up weapon for helicopter-crews, tankers, drivers, MP, and as a sidearm for NCOs and officers of the armoured-infantry and other infantry-types of the German army. It replaced the MP2 (Uzi) and MP5 and is widely in use with the "standard" troops. It is, as you mentioned, also in use with specialised forces and special forces of the army, airforce and navy...
That’s the dearest little rotating bolt I’ve ever seen, it’s so sweet ❤️
The Norwegian Army also adopted the MP7 as a direct replacement for the MP5 for most rear echelon troops and vehicle crews. However some units has now reverted back to the 416 due to logistics and training concerns.
I just love the look of the base MP7 with the stock pulled out and the foregrip unfolded
That's a really clever sight system.
I have a liking for the P90 and a dislike for the mp7 for no rational reason. It's probably Stargate related.
Nah, it's better for the purpose for which it was created.
To be fair, the MP7 is pretty handy when you want to go buy some kassa.
Front handle, I prefer it too, just wish someone would put the weight of a weapon on top of your shoulder.
Mp7 doesnt cut swinging logs
@@brucebaxter6923 like the m82a2?
I have an irrational love for every part of the MP7, the design, the size, the cartridge, all of it.
Me too, kind of weird really. If I could only have one gun, the MP7 would be it.
Norwegian rear echelon troops use this weapon for its intended purpose. Id like to add that its an awesome little gun, superlightweight, can fit easily in a leg holster etc.
Every time Ian says “lightweight”, I can hear Ronie Coleman screaming
Ain't nothing but a peanut
SHOOOOOOOO HUP WOOP LIGHTWEIGHT BABYYYYY HUP HUP
Yeah buddy!
Everything is gonna be oil right.
"Don't lose that"
I'll keep that in mind when I'm disassembling the bolt of my MP7A2.
Ian skirts around explaning the etymology of 'coyote' as a military colour. Which of course is because of the film Coyote Ugly, which is iconic to the Special Forces community in the way that Zulu is to the regular Army.
Most people in the regular army have never seen Zulu. The guys in my unit only heard of it is because of me. The guys who watched it loved it though. We were combat engineers if that matters lol
Wait, what?
It's because coyotes are predominantly light brown. People often read way too much into things.
'I came here to build a bridge' :)
@@Hansengineering Joke, chaps. Look at a trailer for Coyote Ugly.
I have a feeling most militaries feel these weapons are to expensive to hand out to rear echelon troops that are very unlikely to end up in a combat situation. Instead they get to do with old existing SMG's or carbine versions of the current standard weapons platforms. The later isn't all bad, but even in a shortened carbine format these tends to have a lot of snag points making them hard to handle in a lot of situations. I was a driver and a lot of the time was spent rigging or taking down camouflage netting or working under it. Anything that could snag would snag unless you were very careful. I carried a SMG and I hated it. Sure it was handy in size, but it was about as snag free as a hedge hog in a hamper of knitting yarn.
The MP7 seems like it would be a lot better, but the P90 looks even less likely to snag. But for the military it would come down to what was the cheapest solution.
One thing can be said about the grip on the A1. NSWDG (aka Devgru) used a lot of MP7A1 and on many of them you can see that they cut the front grip and replaced it with a rail system made by Wilcox. The rail on the A2 pattern is very similar to what was an aftermarket feature at the time.
I'm equiped with the MP7 as a PDW in addition to my MG3 machinegun in the Norwegian Home Guard. The MG3 weighs 11-12kgs, so having a light personal weapon is a blessing. We had HK416 before and it was a hassle. In my service in the Norwegian Army, I was a gunner on the CV9030N IFV, and the crew was mounted with the HK416. One of the gunners in my unit had his 416 broken in half after it slid between the turret and hull/vehicle, so they went on to equip vehicle crews with MP7s as well.
4:33 If you press right click, you can launch a grenade from there lmao
You need enough materials to craft the grenades first.
Wait, wrong game.
yeah, you can have 3 grenades before your out of ammo
@@vncube1 Or “kindly” ask nearby combine soldiers for them
Norway DO use the MP7 for rear troops, i have a buddy who is a army engineer. His primary weapon is an MP-7, and its perfect for checkpoint control, and rear guard which is what he does
Ian kinda did the mp7 backwards. 2 years ago he shot an mp7, then 2 years later he’s covering it, with 2 of them
I hate the charging handle. I hated it on the M-4. It's awkward, even sitting at the table, and showing the viewers at home, it didn't work smoothly, it was awkward. Yes, because of the angle, but this is designed for GelandeWagen drivers. Unimog Drivers, charging it behind the wheel of a military truck, to go out, and return fire when their convoy was ambushed by Russians. Among other things, I've never driven a Unimog, and I've never used an MP7 in combat. But I did carry an M4 (And a toolbox) in the passenger seat of a Panhard VBL when we got stopped, and ambushed in Sarajevo. That charging handle blows goats if you happen to be in a confined space (Like behind the wheel of a military vehicle) wearing armor, when you need to charge it.
All this time, and I thought I was the only person who said “blows goats”.
Thanks for taking the time to include P90 comparisons. It added a lot.
I would love to see a vid about the swedish "6.5×25 CBJ" ammo
And the CBJ-MS
That stuff is like a tungsten sabot in 9mm format? Might be a bit overkill, tbh. The 4.6/5.7 is just there for beating soft body armor; sounds like the CBJ can defeat light plate (altho all the plate actually used is typically much stronger).
Same
@@termitreter6545 The time to argue with the Swiss about 6.5 mm was 1890 buddy...
@@otm646 6.5×25 mm CBJ is a super modern thing though, isnt it?
Looking it up, youre prolly thinking 6.5×55mm.
Covering up something written on the bolt and the bolt carrier. The serial number? Bad words in German?
It's honestly kind of surprising that the MP7 and P90 are not actual forgotten weapons. I mean, rear-line anti-soviet paratrooper guns in 1989, I can easily imagine a world where these are novelties alongside the G11.
I love you Ian! I've been hoping for this video for years and now it's finally here :)
I knew the MP7 was a gas gun, but didn't realize until now how much like a "micro AR18" it actually is. Very cool stuff.
6:20 I t hink the technically correct term for 'HK's coyote dessert tan color' is RAL 8000, correct?
Correct.
Kind of? They're extremely inconsistent.
RAL 8000 is a Pantone color number.. its not just exclusive to Heckler & Koch.
Although in the firearms world they are the defacto company who offers it as a firearms finish colorway from the factory.
@@reignick1133 ...it is not a Pantone color, it is as you mentioned, a RAL-color. RAL is "Reichs-Ausschuss für Lieferbedingungen" (Reichs-committee for delivery conditions) founded in 1925 and is an official institute in Germany doing many things, e.g. defining the "offical German color-scheme". RAL8000 grünbraun (green-brown) is different from coyote, it is more greenish and was first used as uniform color for the Arfrika-Korp in WW2. Flat-dark-earth is an US knock-off, but not identical.
Neat blacking out of (presumably) the serial on the bolt.. blurring would look nicer, it kindof obscured the shape of the bolt (cylinder, I presume ;-p )
I was curious if I was the only one who noticed that
It’s just a scaled down G36 bolt and carrier, so you can get an idea from that
So, watching your videos about the P90 and Mp7 has told me this: The P90 is a quirky girl, strange at first sight but more and more comfortable the more you are with her, she still operates like no other but you kinda get accustomed to her crazyness over time. It's like she does the whole homey thing, just in a different way. She's handy, catches everyones attention, laughs in a cute way and holds her own but doesnt bite when angry, just scowls. She just wants your attention and she's fine with everything else.
The Mp7 on the other hand is younger and doesnt like talking all that much, but when she does she's spitting truth and teaching people. Everyone, no matter how well armored with ignorance, listen to her and take heed. She comes from a seemingly strict family, with a long pedigree of success which makes her seem distant but she's always right by your side when you need her most. Over time you get so used to her being there that one day, she looks you in the eyes and asks: "Well, what's it going to be?" To which the only reasonable answer is - "Yes!"
Wow. 👍🏻
You are a romantic at heart!
LOL ..good one, yes almost. But still unless you need the armour piercing abilty perforating NIJ3A vests the MP5 and the SIG552C gets your dick.
wtf...
Considering M4s (or equivalent) are in predominant use, and are more compact that the original 20" barrel rifles, and use rifle bullets, it is really no wonder PDWs did not get bought and used as intended.
Other engineers: oh an off the shelf accepted solution
HK: that just won't do. Hanz back to the drawing board and don't come back until you have bloody stumps for hands or an elegantly over engineered solution
A Remake of The Terminator. Instead of an “Oozie-Nein-Milla-Meeda”, it’ll be the MP7 as…I dunno, “Jürman Oozie”? 😂
In the UK, the Ministry of Defence Police carry these, arguably in line with its original purpose.
It’s also interesting to point out that the MDP use semi auto only MP7s
@@Jackhammer2k8 Correct. While it makes sense in the context of British Police rifles/carbines, it does seem like an odd choice with the limited ballistics of the 4.6mm. I've also noticed they only tend to issue the flush 20-round mags.
@@ApurtureSci Low recoil, accurate, will go through any body armour a ne'er-do-well is likely to get hold of, probably pretty good at going through car windscreens etc. Also very small and unobtrusive so easy to carry discreetly. I got glared at walking past Downing Street a few years ago by the gate guard, who had one.
@@alun7006 I agree with all of that and it's certainly a fine weapon for an officer to carry around all day, better than a pistol for sure. That said, I do wonder how well the 4.6mm will stop an attacker, firing single shots and in the conservative manner our police tend to shoot. I don't buy into the whole stopping power thing, I don't think you need to be putting out 3000ft/lbs to get the job done, but it'd be interesting to see how effective a 4.6mm would be on a potentially drugged-up, infinitely-motivated marauding attacker.
@@ApurtureSci I would say it's "controlled" rather than "conservative" (though Jean Charles de Menezes would doubtless disagree) - and the low recoil would make follow-ups very quick and easy. I would also be very surprised if "Mozambique" is not the standard course of action now, after the fiasco with the London Bridge attack in 2019.
Interested in seeing you opinion on the different cartridges: 5.7 x 28, 4.6 x 30 and 9mm, and maybe some other smg/pistol type cartridges
thank you for this video
I was struggling to understand the A1 vs A2 variants, and you nailed it succinctly
The Norwegian Home Guard Rapid Response Forces use the MP7 for its truck drivers, medics etc. So there's at least one place it's used as initially intended.
Everyone: “This could’ve been a simple blowback!”
HK: “Why do something simply when you can do it right?”
Absolutely, and the weight reduction as a result isn't small at all a p90 is a third heavier at 6.8lbs and the uzi it replaced 2/3s heavier at 7.7lbs. Coming in at 4.4lbs easily justifies the increased complexity of a delayed action.
guess, as the intention was to be used as a middle ground between assaultrifles and pistols, the reasoning is accuracy with burst fire.
@@CtrlAltRetreat I didn't know a P90 was that heavy.
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The newer production models are listed at 6.8 lbs without rails and 7.1lbs with on fn herstal's site. The civilian sa version we weighed was just about 8lbs but had that long barrel for compliance. The picatinny rails are on that handle looking portion so you can use your own optics which is a nice upgrade but the primary advantage of the p90 is compactness not weight. Pretty much all of the low drag ar race rigs we see on the range will be lighter and even some of the ar308s. The tiny round in a heavy sled makes for a really low recoil shooting experience but you the ergos means a practiced rifleman can get better results out of their ar if they have the room to use it imho.
HK: "How can we justify the exorbitant cost if the design is simple?"
I've always found it odd/interesting how HK and FN came at the PDW from opposite directions - oversized handgun vs compact SMG.
Theres a lot wrong with that statement but whatever
To me the P90 makes no sense, because it is no more compact than small, short barreled M4/AR variants, or a AK or a G36 with the stock folded in.
My point being that the way HK went was clearly the better one, no matter how "cool" the P90 might be.
@@TrangleC I see where you are coming from, but, in the p90's defense, it does have a 50rd (pain in the ass reload) magazine and fewer snag points than a short AR et al.
What I would like to see is a comparison of the ballistics of 5.7/4.6 against 5.56 out of a short barrel if anyone knows a good video like that.
@@TrangleC As a bullpup, the P90 has a 10.4” barrel and OAL of under 20”. It will be more compact than a conventional design with an equivalent length barrel. As for the MP7 being better, the NATO trials said different xD
@@thesuit4820 As far as I know, there are 40 round magazines for the MP7 and even if not, I'd rather have a weapon with easy and quick to replace 20 round magazines than one with a 50 round magazine that takes me a minute to replace.
I don't know specifics, but since the P90 has a longer barrel, I assume it must have better ballistics. That is of secondary concern, as I will address in my following reply to delphium, though.
Ian: “I don’t think anybody has adopted the MP7 for what it was actually designed for. Which was…”
Me: “Shooting Russian paratroopers in your home barracks, in a different continent to the actual front line when you’re just the bloody ammo tech or chef!”
It's the ultimate weapon for REMFs LARPing like they're in the real armed forces!
@@Keifsanderson lol I’d forgotten the term REMF 😂. I can’t say shit though I’ve never been in the forces. I let myself be dissuaded by my girlfriend at the time like a fucking idiot!
It's for shooting headcrabs
Always like it when craftsmanship becomes businesslike cool beauty. Love these guns.
Thanks for another informative and very intresting video!
Greets from the Netherlands, T.
In germany the MP7 is actually beeing used by medics, frontline doctors, recovery personal, crew of MBTs, motorcycle massangers and some leader positions that are more focus on their radio than shooting.
What, no bayonet?? Something like a 36 inch sword would be so cool.
I am sure Germans have a lightsabre bayonet prototype somewhere
I have played several video games and can confirm that the MP7 is pretty good.
Can you show me how the grenade launcher fits on the bottom? Civil Protection will be here soon.
How bad is south Africa right now?
Active Civil Protection Unit here: we also got some Shotguns from the Overwatch and we still don't know how that thing shoots two shells.
The game Ghost Recon Future Soldier actually predicted the A2 model in 2012 (two years before the A2's intro). The weapon is modeled with a lower rail for attachments instead of the folding fore-grip seen on the A1.
Norway have armed their support/second hand gun for mg etc with this one. so it is being used for support.
Don't get me wrong, it is also being used by SOC, but this one is even found in the home guard for the rear troops.
Very nicely balanced PDW. Excellent video.
The M1 Carbine was designed for a similar purpose, and pretty much the same thing happened.
I think one of the reasons that the p90 and mp7 aren't used a lot in their intended role is because they're quite expensive, especially the ammo. There's much cheaper alternatives to arm non combat troops in your military.
Correct me if I'm wrong but at 9:10 , Ian says that MP5 is a simple blowback gun. Wasn't MP5 a roller delayed blowback design like G3?
This reminds me so much of a modern interpretation of the uzi. But the "history repeats itself" irony of the m-1 carbine is inescapable.
Incredible gun. The only gun I would buy if only one would be allowed. Super powerful, handy and versatile
I've always admired this gun because I just really like the look of it. And while I get that it was developed for a very specific purpose, I feel that HK missed an opportunity when they didn't make a less specialized version that used a more common round (I would've voted for either .45ACP or 10mm) and sold it on the civilian market. This would've been popular with private security if that was the case.
I believe most of the "PDW" class guns are used more in protective details than what they actually were designed for.
PDW's used by protective details are just more readily visible. Though the MP 7 has not been purchased for nearly any large frontline army units, it has started to reach some of it's intended users in specialty and support roles, in larger numbers than any "protective detail".
At 11:35 This reminds me of a similar system as the Beretta 1301 Tactical. Reason I bring this up is I believe HK worked with Benelli to make the M4 which is very similar to the 1301.
When I was at a Land War Expo in Germany back in 2006, I talked with the German soldiers about it and they said it as a pistol that had a built-in stock so you could shoot it at great distances. I want to say they claimed you could hit targets at 200-300 meters, which I thought was very impressive (if not unbelievable). Handling it made me think that this was something that The Terminator would use. It is a very clever firearm.
As a comparison, id rather have an MP7 than a P90, but I'd even more rather have an MP7 chambered in 5.7x28.
"...for the purposes of a NATO RFP from 1989..."
Which explains why this thing looks peak 1990 firearm design. I could absolutely see Marion Cobretti upgrading to this.
Haha-nice. Little known fact- the original version had a small retaining clip designed to hold a wooden matchstick 😉
Those sights are ingenious.
The same magazine release position is also used by polymer Walthers (starting with P99)...
Controllable, armor piercing, small, capable of suppression, optional high rate of fire, lighter round that doesn't sacrifice effectiveness...
If I were going to write a RFP for a Special Operations unit, engaged in CQB style missions, this and the P90 check a lot of boxes.
Plus, specialty units don't have as much red tape to contend with. If they were tested against the M4 for US Army support troops, the cost of switching would be a huge mark against it.
Out of curiosity how loud are the MP7 and P90 rounds in those short-barrels? Seems like they'd be as loud as a 22 mag pistol. Them little jokers are loud as hell
Was “Badass looking” part of the NATO requirements?
I’ve run one in battlefield 4 for years, it’s a very reliable system.
I was in London yesterday and saw two officers patroling with the MP7 - I found it odd as normally you see the G36, MP5 or UMP
I'd say that the PDW for rear echelon (can't believe I actually spelled that right first try!) troops, while a good idea, the fundamentals of that idea will always be a secondary concern for the global militaries until there is a perceived need.
For the M-1 Carbine, that was the fear of rapid and unexpected German breakthroughs like France and the Low Countries in 1940 (and of course the Battle of the Bulge), and for the MP-7 and the FN P90 that was the fear of Soviet Spetznaz infiltrators during the 80s.
Once that moment passes the need is swiftly forgotten and the weapons that come from that forgotten need get repurposed as security and special forces weapons.
Personally I think the rear echelon PDWs, while a good idea on paper, is a bit of a trap. That doesn't good guns don't come from these calls for PDWs, obviously the MP-7 and the P90 are excellent firearms, but it's one of those weird situations where it's kind of not a waste of resources, but kind of sort of is. You could easily make an argument for both.