Analysing Galadriel's swordfight, RINGS OF POWER, Fight Scene Autopsy
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Hey Shad! I just finished your book and I loved it, looking forward to the next!!!
Shad's content haven't really changed after he stopped doing fantasy re armed
@@darthsidius9631 So?
@@darthsidius9631 Your empire has not really changed since the first death star...
Hopefully it will be a great movie one day.
@@darkdawnbringer good point
Just to point out, she is asked to teach them, her lesson is 'stab the orcs, now, come at me'. And then proceeds to NOT demonstrate, or teach, stabbing techniques. So she completely fails to do the one thing she was supposed to be doing, and turns it into an attempt at showing off.
Well, the problem to me is still that she is meant to be a mage....so anything that comes after her becoming somehow a "sword master" is bs...even if it was done right. ( But I do get that this is not the focus of the video)
@@ricardokojin7 because she's not the actual character, she's a fan fiction version of her of a dude who wanted her to be the best swords master ever. The fucking elf that flicks her wrist and destroys things with her mind. It's fucking stupid.
@SAMBUDI GOTREKT rhe descriptions of her as amazonian refer to her participation in a form of elven Olympics. We have contradictions in the lore as to whether she ever took part in battle. Silmarrilion, no. Unfinished tales, yes.
Second age. Most definitely not.
She told them to stab the orcs, so the first thing the guy tries is to attempt two thrusts. He doesn’t follow up because she explicitly told him it was unnecessary. “Just thrust? Ok, I’ll try thrusting”. And then she proceeds to prove how it doesn’t work.
She is actively teaching them to be worse.
23:48 is a pretty brilliant line that could even be applied to things other than fighting.
Her only teaching here before challenging them all was “thrust, twist, gut”.
The first thing the soldier she fought at the beginning did was attempt to thrust at her twice, and she perfectly demonstrated how that doesn’t work. She is an utter failure as a teacher and frankly is trying to make these soldiers fight worse so she can show off.
And you could see the teacher npc had not tought them slash attacks at 14:00min xD
Bro I thought I was to high when I watched it but that was one of the first things I saw. Like ok ur " lesson" was just proven completely ineffective. Ntm the other 15 times they attempt a thrust and miss
U do go upwards with the hand if inside the blade
@@jennifermoriarty2188 huh?
@@jennifermoriarty2188 I am sorry but I also do not understand. You keep your hands away from your armed opponents (unless you want to risk you opponent to remove that hand) and you keep the your own blade firmly in your hands and thrust to an unguarded spot toward your opponent while keeping a corner of your eye towards the blade of your armed opponent. In reality to idiot would be caught dead facing an armed opponent while being bare fisted, unless they were fully trained to do so. That was very rare as well.
Shad is overlooking the greater context of why the Numenorians fought that way:
1. The sun was in their eyes.
2. They were using inverted controls.
3. They were letting their little brother play.
4. Bad netcode.
5. This isn't even their main.
6. hax
That's crazy, I never knew that, props to the writers from keeping it lore accurate :P
You forgot the main one. Lag
@@kuroyuki6254 Now that you mention it, I'm pretty sure Tolkien mentioned that specifically.
it's glorious when a n00b accuses you of haxx IMO
Dang, old middle earth had nasty ping. Totes to writers for their fidelity to source
Gotta love how the sword "shwings" when she stabs, apparently the air in Numenor is metallic.
The Numenorians have high Iron diet since the air they breathe is high in iron
@@joanjorge566 actually would explain why they were so strong XD
"But Miss Guyladrial... Isn't this how Orc's fight?"
Guyladrial decapitates him as she readjusts her mask.
"They can never know."
Nah, wobbly work in the tang like any subpar hanger, and the non weapon familiar director goes "That's so cool the sound man caught it. KEEP IT!"
No "Wayne's world" comment to this reaction?
Missed opportunity, just like the swings in this video.
My suggested dialogue: "The only advantage the orcs will have is their numbers. They're undisciplined, unskilled and unintelligent. But I have seen even the best swordsmen of my kind overwhelmed simply because they were vastly outnumbered. Thus, you must be quick and deadly: one orc, one strike, one kill. Aim for the throat or the heart, nothing else. No gracefulness or flourishing. You will not be dancing in Middle-earth; you'll be butchering. That is what war with orcs is."
Well done. By Amazon’s standards you could probably write for a $5 billion dollar show, random TH-cam comment section guy.
(Really though, nice work)
@@pugnacious6290 it sounds too logical for Amazon in general.
"You are sons of Numenor. Raised and trained to fight like one strong units that doesn't waver. Out there it will be your blessing. Let them come at you, let they scream. You have armor they can't slash, shields and spears they can't bypass, and should yours fail, the brother at your side have your back. Let them come at you and crash on your steel. As long as you stand together, you stand alive and strong until all of them are dead. Trust your steell, your comrade, your formation, and hold. Hold confident. That's the best lesson I could ever give you. For the details, trust your trainer.
Good luck sons of Numenor. I'm proud to go to war with you as I did with your ancestors. Ni 'lassui En : Thank you"
You can't call orcs undisciplined, unskilled, and unintelligent in current year lol.
They will accuse you of racism.
That second to last line goes so hard. Well done.
Most of us aren't knowledgeable about sword fighting , but we can tell when a film fight is awkward & unconvincing. Someone like Shad probably can't help screaming at the screen , while the rest of us are simply taken out of the moment for reasons we don't fully understand. It's a little sad actually.
No, It is sad that even a monkey would understand that it is ridiculous. How could a director pass this as ok? This is either blatant sabotage, or they are so incompetent it is hard to even imagine. Another possibility is that they are lazy relying on the classic trope of "No, it is perfect, but you are a racist, so the complaints do not count!" What is Jackson and other people doing? Are we left only with clowns behind cameras now?
Vigo Mortensen trained enough with a sword that when a knife was accidentally thrown at his head at the end of the Fellowship of the Rings, he deflected it with his sword in a totally unplanned moment. The choreographer for this show knew so little about swords that they decided to hide as much as possible behind scenery and bad camera work.
And still failed to do so. Now THAT's talent, or lack thereof
Why then hell did they hire that person
@@ComradeCommissarYuri Probably nepotism
@@GMP1isReal Probably because they needed fill a diversity quota.
And that turned into one of the best moments of the movie! As opposed to this.
You schooled the choreographer so bad they had to protect them with an age restriction!! Well done!
this should be the top comment
Lmfao
So glad kids won't learn stupid ways to fight this way
Ha
“Here lies Shad. A dedicated man of the sword, slain by cringe.”
You know something she coulda said that woulda been actually helpful? “The enemy are like beasts, they’re stronger so you fight smarter.”
Except thy're not. Orcs are goblins in Tolkien, and they are little misshapen vermin, with the biggest of them being about the size of a hobbit, or a bit taller. A trained human warrior should be able to handle multiple at once with armor. Tall, strong orcs were the Uruk-Hai freaks of nature that only existed thanks to Saruman. Otherwise, an orc/goblin needed a warg to be properly vicious, and even then a dwarf kid like Dain was able to kill Azog in one blow as soon as he was distracted. The orcs' main thing was numbers for a reason.
The goblin/orc difference is a D&D thing.
@@stiofarnog You're on the right track, but the Uruk-hai were not the first of their kind. The Uruks of Mordor or Mordor Uruks/Black Uruks were first seen in battle a millennium earlier in 2475 of the Third Age when they assaulted Ithilien.
@@stiofarnog That is a basically entirely film-based perspective. In the books Uruks where not created by Saruman, but first appeared out of Mordor. The biggest orcs are said to be "almost man-sized" so quite a bit bigger than a hobbit. However in general their capabilities are not totally clear. A Dunedain Warrior could certainly take one multiple Orcs like in the Battle of the Gladden Fields, but Dunedain are basically-super humans
Edit: also there are different kinds of Orc although they do not seem to be of a different race/species but bred for a different purpose
Warcraft.
@@jakobschoning7355 but these guys are better than dunedains they are numenoreans pure-blood numenoreans
In the words once spoken by an actor who was an actual swordsman: "I've been looking forward to this!"
Twice the pride double the fall
Sir Christopher Lee was/is such a legend.
@@fatthorstumtum6593 hey, he's been Dracula for so long, he's bound to come back from the dead at some point!
That's where I think older movies have advantage over newer stuff. Sadly Rings of Power is not the only example. In the past when they would do fight scenes, they would quite often choose actors who knew their stuff. Or would at least train them before the movie. This is specialy true with action movies with hand to hand fighting - Bruce Lee, Chuck Noris, Van Damme, Jackie Chan, Jet Li ... having martial arts background was kinda their thing. That's why they were cast. Now-a-days, looks and folowers on social media are far more important to land a role.
When making a movie about swrod fighting, to me at least, it makes sense that the first place to look is Olympic fencers, HEMA practitioners or even kendo practitioners. Then adapt their style to the movie weapons, which these guys can do very fast, and do the selection there via auditions. Then promote the crap out of them via socials during the run up to the movie. Result is, you get a movie with excelent fight scenes, very kinetic and much more real than relying on CGI and dumb stunts. And if it's good, you get a new action star. Win - win situation.
Actress who plays Galadriel dosen't know how to fence. She isn't a fighter. She hasn't even done hand to hand fighting. And thus is just not believable and looks lame. She is a misscast IMO.
I remember I watched Christopher lee’s interview or like a program segment were he was showing his sword collection and talking about years of his acting and fencing. You can just feel that someone who knows his stuff
In the show's defense, if Guyladriel's intent was to show the recruits how to fight against utterly vicious, cruel, and gruesome foes like orcs, they couldn't have had a better opponent than her.
what a burn🤣
If this is the type of swordplay a billion dollars get you, imagine how much you could charge to consult, Shad.
shad charges a billion and 1 dollar .... couldn t afford it.
@@keto3883 I am willing to bet he'd take a paycut. To save people's ( and his ) sanity if nothing else.
I think a lot of the funding for the show was just for money laundering. Most likely for a leftist run child sex trafficking ring.
Look at the business smarts on this guy!
Aragorn took her advice and just stabbed them...then Lurtz pulled the sword into his body, and Aragorn soon learned that Galadriel was very wrong.
"Lurtz" is a New Line Cinema invention, not Tolkien! Aragorn didn't fight any orcs at Amon Hen in the books! Jackson clearly doesn't care about Tolkien lore. These New Line Cinema movies really tried to ruin Tolkien's legacy ...
@@feconisb.3067 still a good movie but you are not wrong
@@feconisb.3067 That's a little unfair. Peter Jackson's movies are a flawed but honest attempt at adaptation. The Rings of Power creators have openly admitted to wanting to subvert Tolkien's legacy.
those were not orcs they are uruk hai. Guess they are still orcs but a stronger breed.
@Feconis B. Still my favorite movie series though.
This entire fight is just:
SHE'S GOT A SWORD!
Meanwhile Shad is just shouting "You idiots! YOU ALL HAVE SWORDS!"
Shad is like that voice in my head that wants to scream when I see cringy stuff, like the RoP, but on the outside I just say, "This is pretty stupid."
He's literally my spirit animal for this series.
Yeah, but like…. Do you know why stones sink and boats float?
@@rinkustahr2707 Cause stones look down and boats... look, shut up, the sea is always right!
@@rinkustahr2707 Because stones are witches, just come on my property you'll not see a single stone that isn't hanging from a tree.
Ugh, the spirit animal thing.
@@tinonoman5831 it's pretty white-girl cringe, but I thought it fitting.
Apparently, from the official commentary, they shot that entire scene in one day and didn't use any stunt doubles. They were actually proud of the fact it took them so little time and it absolutely shows.
1,000,000,000$ well spent. It has to be some money laundering scheme at this point.
Hollywood a money laundering scheme like politicians releasing shitty books you can tell they didn't write? No way! :D
I'm going to go with this theory too, they absolutely had the cash. I heard 400m for the first season and yet Galadriel has a divers suit with a chain mail print put on it? Bruh.
This show is 100% a front for some illegal practices
That’s appalling. As lazy as it gets.
Either this is a massive tax write off or there is someone sitting on a beach in Belize who embezzled all the money. I am hoping for the embezzler, that way someone is happy.
"Never use brute strength against an orc."
I seem to remember Aragorn punching an Uruk in the face when it was wearing a helmet, knocking it off a ladder. It fell to its death.
To be fair, this would be good advice for most people, but the Numenors are all supposed to basically be superhuman so they could definitely go toe to toe with an orc in a contest of strength
As with all techniques, there's the "Don't do this 99% of the time" stuff, but when you are extremely experienced and have been in many fights, you know when it's acceptable to do the 1%.
In the Wheel of Time books, there was a technique called Sheathing the Blade, and if I recall correctly, you let the enemy stab you in the torso, in a non-fatal way, so that you can execute a killing blow on your enemy. (Correct my if I'm wrong) Lan mentions it to Rand, but states it shouldn't really be used. Much later Rand does use it successfully.
@@eziop5539 That's correct! But it wasn't a non-lethal way, Sheathing the Blade was a technique meant to guarantee you also kill your opponent when you aren't sure you could beat them. You expect to die when you bait the thrust but plan on landing a killing blow at the same time.
@@joshuaconklin8378 Thank you for the correction
@@joshuaconklin8378 if you know the lore actually orcs are much weaker than humans already, and numenorians are much stronger than humans anyway so
This whole scene - like so many others - was set up for Galadriel to show off while everyone she's humiliating stands around going "😲wow she's so amazing 😲"
We don't learn anything new, the plot isn't advanced, her character doesn't develop at all.
Compare this to Jon Snow training at Castle Black in which we learn:
- Jon is a skilled swordsman (something we didn't know before)
- He's not fitting in and isn't instantly liked by the other recruits
- He believes he is better than the other recruits because he is a noble
Jon grows as a character; he begins _teaching them_ how to fight instead of just showing off and as a result earns their respect and friendship. And he learns to accept his high-born status doesn't grant him preferential treatment in the Night's Watch.
They’re in Mary Sue territory with this ‘writing’ which is crap since Galadriel is normally an interesting character
@@gideonmele1556 She was such a mysterious and interesting character, and Amazon turned her into the same boring macho warrior woman we've seen countless times.
@@omarcominyo4481 what's hilarious is they have 3 of them -- Muriel and Bronwyn are insufferable in their own ways, as well. Also, look at the frames of Muriel's "horrified" expression when the volcano starts to go. It's Prime™️ comedy!
@@omarcominyo4481 I bet someone at Amazon looked at Rey "Mary Sue" Skywalker and thought "Heeeeeey! Here's or Galadriel character. No feminine, stupid, insulting, TRUE highborn elf she is!". What a waste, what a piece of crap.
"He believes he is better than the other recruits because he is a noble"
Not just that, but the extra nuance of being a bastard (son) and how that plays into his thought processes (and seemingly getting along better with his uncle than his actual father). So he's a noble, but not in the truest sense.
It began with the forging of the great films. Threads were given by Tolkien, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Rights were granted to Jackson, a great miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore. And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men, who above all else, desire quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a master flop. And into this show he poured his money, his greed and his will to dominate all film. One show to ruin them all.
Damn this is an American underliked comeent
I've read this comment so many times and it's still accurate
And into this show he poured his money, his greed & his will to degrade & erase the only demographic to resist the degenerate globalist agenda, white males.*
Just like Sauron, Bezos is obsessed with perfect order to the detriment of the enslaved people in his empire.
Bruh, go back to middle school theatre.
To quote Wołodyjowski, from Deluge - an old polish novel made into a movie with one of the best sword fighting scenes in cinema history - when he was dueling Kmicic:
"You sir, are waving this like a flail"
I get the impression that Numenorians there are just units from strategy game and they can't do followup attacks, because they have long cooldown between each strike.
Rings of Power is just a turn-based game.
I see a man of culture here. Actually it would be nice if Shad had analysed that fight, the movie's original title is "Potop" and it was made in 1974.
When the fight scene autopsy has more lore accuracy and content then the entire show
I doubt inbreds know what lore accurancy means
the show literally isnt allowed to be lore accurate, because amazon doesnt have the rights.
@@KEKMaster3000 Damn, Amazon using a trademark they don’t have the right for just to make easy money. Who would have though they could be so low (guess that also explains a lot).😂
@@KEKMaster3000 That's no excuse for terrible writing.
THEN
I love your content but these fight scene autopsy's are my favorite. They're super interesting and useful for people wondering what kind of actual moves/techniques would be genuinely effective vs just for show. Thanks for all your hard work!
Fight Scene Autopsy's are my favorite as well. After I got home from work today I was like "Oh yeah. A fight scene autopsy was released this morning!"
I will say almost any movie fight scene if you put into slow mo you’re going to see a lot of ridiculous stuff. Even some of the most loved movies of all time.
In the Rocky movies they horribly wiff many of the punches if you watch it in slow mo.
It’s like going onto a broadway stage and going “Hey! That’s not even a real vampire, it’s just a dude dressed up like one. These fangs aren’t even real! Ha!!!”
It is a bit of fun to analyze it but at the end of the day it’s just a “play”.
Some good advice would be
"Don't try and wear an orc down. Not only does pain from minor wounds rarely phase them, but orcs are renowned for their endurance. Some have been known to run for entire days in full armour. Never try to gain an advantage by tiring one out. You will lose. Go for a killing blow as soon as you can."
Perhaps then she could have given some detail on the kinds of armour orcs tend to wear, pointing out typical weak spots. We actually saw Legolas do this in the Fellowship, advising other elven archers around him on the weaker points in Uruk armour as the Battle of Helm's Deep was beginning.
I said this in your actual review but the "fight with your feet" line is very weird because this is a sentiment in a lot of sports. It seems like the writers took this line from maybe a sport clip or something without knowing the meaning. Coaches will say "play with your feet, not your arms" or "box with your feet, not your fists" but there is always a follow up explaining what it means. Like "bow with your feet, not your fist. Your ability to move and generate force through your feet and hips will win more fights (kinetic chain) than just focusing on your punches. Essentially, it's an easy phrase. The issue here is, she doesn't explain the phrase. if she was like "fight with your feet not your arms. Your mobility and positioning will win fights, not just your ability to swing a sword" or "you generate power through your feet and hips, not your arms (referring to the kinetic chain) " or something along those lines to give the phrase meaning then later, we see a soldier repeat this while fighting, that would make the phrase make sense. However, it's clear that the writers heard that phrase, didn't think about the context or how it was used and just threw it into their show. She doesn't even demonstrate anything. I don't see how this would be helpful to anyone. It would be like if Bruce Lee said, "Be like water" and didn't explain what the phrase meant and expected everyone to understand what that means.
Be like water it's wet. And can make your enemy thirsty. Depending on the situation u might get lucky. I wont tell u what it mean. But you'll figure it out.
Again the writing in this show is just cliche aafter trope after enigma. It's so bad
Fighting with your feet is actually correct though poorly done in the scene. HEMA seems to be lacking in the angles of attack via footwork. Likely do to recreation from written text and not direct transmission.
Using your feet does more than create power. Footwork can be used to keep your enemy off balance, and since you mentioned punching, which is boxing, something I know about, head movement is essential as well.
Ironically, Muhammad Ali did figure out how to take the statement completely literally by taking a lying down stance in one match that nobody actually knew how to get past (since he could easily kick away anyone trying to strike or grab him), but you definitely can't replicate that with a sword
Shad, now that were talking about the lore regarding the Numenoreans. Let me add something about the lore regarding the canonical battle tactics of the Numenorians and I do hopw you'll able to read this.
The Glamhoth (Sindarin for "the yelling Horde") or Orcs mostly rely on their numerical superiority and the Numenoreans themselves rely on superiority in arms, tactics and physical prowess though they are at most, numerically inferior in their battle against the orcs. The best known battle formations that the Numenoreans rely on were the defensive yet flexible phalanx formation called the Thangail, that is Sindarin for "Shield-fence" and the offensive wedge formation called Dirnaith which is Sindarin for Man-Speadhead.
One of the best known use of the Thangail was during the Battle of the Gladden Fields or more known as the Disaster of the Gladden Fields. And you might say that this was a Numenorean defeat, true but prior their defeat the Numenoreans were able display that despite the overwhelming size of the opponent, they were able to hold and primarily overpower the orcs.
The High-King Isildur and his two hundred strong retinue, taking the high ground and forming a Thangail were able to hold back waves upon waves of orcs. Despite being inferior in number, their superior weapons, physical strength and height were able to overcome and literally tower above the strongest and tallest orc. Sadly as the tale recounts, as the Numenoreans were able to push back the orcs into forests they were lured into low ground and they failed to take into account the hidden reserves of orcs that were kept and hidden in the forests who sprang up, surrounded and almost slaughtered the Numenoreans. Only three of the two hundred strong retinue survived and a servant whom Isildur sent ahead carrying the tokens of his House like the shards of Narsil. Isildur and his older sons were killed. Late but luckily for the three survivors of the massacre, an army of ax-wielding woodsmen were able to respond and caused the orcs to retreat.
Despite being a known as a Numenorean defeat the events prior to such defeat was a testament to how incredibly strong and terrible in their wrath are the Numenoreans are in battle despite being numerically inferior.
I love these episodes
I love seeing Shad go insane as we go on
I'm sorry old boy your sacrifice will be documented at least
I came up with a few similar analogies to "fight with your feet, not your arms":
1. "play cello with your chin, not your fingers."
2. "run with your perineum, not your legs."
3. "eat with your Xbox controller, not your mouth."
4. "ride on a sheep, not a horse."
😁😅
type with your face, not your fingers.
sleep on your head, not your back.
end him rightly with your shoe, not your pommel.
see with your abs, not your eyes.
Eat your soup with a fork, not a spoon.
With a little effort, the terrible advice could be turned into something useful. "Fight with your feet" - don't just stand still and wait for the enemy to strike at you, use your balance, be aware of how you're moving, your footwork is important too. But the writers don't know how to write, that is the major problem of this show. If they could write a decent script, it would gloss over the "wait a minute, how many ships? how many days?" problems.
Ride on a sheep, not a horse.
Dain Ironfoot: Send in the goats!
This series is so full of insightful wisdom, I tried making a stone float and obviously it sank as it was looking down into the irresistible water.
I simply picked up the stone, turned it over and naturally looking up towards the stars it momentarily floated prior to leaving the water and heading up into the sky.
I don’t know why but this sounds like it would fit perfectly in a fever dream
What are you smoking?
@@theisjepsen22 Galadriel's bath water
They could have said something like “ orcs are tougher then your average human. When you land a stab, twist or cut slice the wound open more. A mere stab won’t cut it
"Fight with your feet."
Hideo Kojima is a time traveller, and Raiden's fighting style is a meme we can only now understand.
But raiden is half robot.
@@princeofqrow3181 Not to mention those high heels
Standing here
I realize
The extent of the meme
How bad this show can be
Maybe he meant taekwondo
I mean footwork and positioning is legitimately extremely important, and Shad has actually said this numerous times.
Would you ever want to do a fight scene autopsy on any fight Aragorn is in, in The Lord of the Rings trilogy? In the Behind the Scenes specials, the sword trainer described Viggo Mortensen as one of the most natural sword fighters he had ever trained, so I would love to hear an analysis. It could be a sub-series within this show?
This for top comment!!!
there's a bit of "swinging the sword as if it's a club" & "attacking the air" in the LoTR trilogy too - doesn't matter how good Viggo Mortensen (or anyone) is, if the choreography says he needs to swing like this and that, all his training won't change that.
that said, the difference between those moments in LoTR and the blatant garbage in RoP is, that they "hide" it well enough most of the time so you don't really notice, plus the overall setting, theme and feeling is vastly different.
@@_claymore regardless.
Nothing is comparable to Lotr the amount of works done to go into it.
And it's amazing that more money was put into RoP and they couldn't even get the same results.
The only thing they got was graphics.
This was an expected and deserved reckoning. Thank you for speaking for the people Shad.
What the show seems to forget (well, one of all the things it forgets) is that when fighting wearing only light clothing one doesn't really need to put any extra force into swings - even fairly light hits can cause crippling wounds and maintaining control over your moves is supremely important. The actors are swinging like if they wanted to behead an ox. (well, Shad pretty much says that himself toward the end of the video)
If you hold down the attack button, it makes a more powerful swing that does more damage. Duh.
How can the show forget something it's never learned? Plus Galadriel says the same thing, because she's so intuitive: "Their strokes fall like the Stone-Giants of the North Moors"...
I didn't even get to the end yet, but swinging that hard sounds both very dangerous and very stupid.
Guyladriel: “If anyone can score flesh then they can become lieutenant.”
Shad (after 5 minutes): *becomes king
😂
I think you mean 1 minute.
@@DankSlayer_Ornstien the other 4 was him shit-talking her technique.
@@antonioarreola3097 Forgot about that
@@antonioarreola3097 It'd be WAYY more than 4 minutes, but he probably gave up.
i weigh 170lbs and am 6' 1'' i would just crush her
Aragorn vs the Uruk (Lurtz?) fight from fellowship quite clearly demonstrates that orcs have a pretty good tolerance for pain. I know it’s a “hero” orc, but it takes a knife to the leg; carries on fighting, pulls the knife out, licks its own blood from the blade before chucking it at Aragorn. Aragorn manages to take it’s sword arm off, and then it gets fully impaled and DRAGS THE SWORD DEEPER so it can shout in Aragorns face/ potential bite range. It finally dies when Aragorn takes it’s head off.
So, yeah, don’t think prioritizing the gut wound is a great tactic.
Edit: A lot have people have mentioned that Uruk are higher quality orcs and therefore more resilient, which is definitely a valid point. They don’t even exist at this point in middle earth history now I think about it.
What types of/ power level orc would be contemporary to the Numenoreans?
Just to play devils advocate, that was an Uruk-hai, which aren’t orcs but are more Sauron/Saruman’s vision of what an orc could be. But I do agree with you. If orcs are a little more dumb and have a slightly higher pain tolerance, it’s best to dispatch them quickly before they can overrun you with their numbers.
@@seanphillips1998 to be fair even normal orcs are pretty resilient. Remember infighting in the tower of Cirith Ungol?
Yes, he is called Lurtz, and is an uruk'hai chieftain. I believe uruks are orcs mixed with humans by sorcery, so they're a bit taller, smarter, and can aford to travel and fight under the sun light while commun orcs tend to fear it.
Those specific uruk kai were also enchanted by the white hand of Saruman. "You do not know pain, you do not know fear. You will taste man-flesh".
Also Aragorn stating, "some evil gives speed to these foes".
@@nazara9857 they are elves tortured both magically and physically until they become something else
Rewatching this, I've been hit by a bit of an epiphany. Fight choreographers who don't know anything about how to use swords/other weapons seem to believe that an attack has to fly true. You know how some games have it where if you hit the attack button that's it, your character is then stuck in the animation unable to move while the enemy can? That. That's what the people in this clip and so many other shows/movies are doing! That's why when Shad screams out how they're aiming for air, they actually aren't. They're aiming for where she was when they started the attack and so MUST continue with the strike even though she's moved away.
You sort of right in regards to once a strike starts it must be carried out to completion like a video game, but there’s also a lot of strikes that are deliberately missed or aimed at the sword. For example the first strike at Galadriel, she doesn’t move her body she just twists. Had that attack been aimed properly it would have gone straight into her shoulder
@@waylander9265 Stuff like that just seems like really bad editing/camera work. I'm pretty sure there is a way of filming that first strike at Galadriel that would make it look like it was going to hit but wouldn't. Just making sure the actors are out of measure with each other. That way the first strike would look like it's aimed for her body, she moves, and cut to a different angle to show how it would have connected if she hadn't.
But you're right in that there's a lot of attacks that are deliberately wide for actor safety. The fact that they're all so obvious when watching the sequence is a testament to their lack of having good choreographers and actor training. I have to wonder if the actors had anything more than "make sure the pointy end doesn't hit the other person" sword 'lessons.'
Sort of "turn based" sword fighting, basically
@@matthewmosier8439 Exactly. Only with real-time movement to really make it a crappy combat system.
@@morlath4767 I think you may be on to something. I'd be curious if the phenomenon is found in other fights in the series. You have to remember that they filmed the whole scene under discussion in about one day.
I think this series was money laundering, like so many people say. They gave the showrunners $250,000 per one hour episode instead of 60 million US, and they had to make something just good enough to avoid an investigation.
I love how at 10:03, the stab in the air makes a metallic sound, even though the blade is literally not touching anything during the whole shot. :-D Viewers apparently got used to wooden and leather scabbards making metal sounds all the time, but this, this is next level.
7:00 She also could have said "Aim for the neck. Their armour tends to be weak around the neck and under their arms" (making a reference to Legolas from Two Towers)
On top of the fact that a gut wound is not necessarily lethal as you said, most warriors, including orcs, do tend to have their torso quite well protected with armour.
32:00 Why is there a horse on the hilt? Númenor had little to do with horses. If it was a swan, or a gull then sure.. fine. but why a horse? This isn't Rohan.
And yes... the dialogue was completely awful and why are they doing this in the streets again? Those poor merchants just got their merchandise hacked up by a bunch of soldiers in a practice fight. Also also... i agree with you; why are they using real swords? One mistake and goodbye to your arm, leg, throat and everything else.
The show is going with a Rohan rip-off. It's not just the hilts. Look at their helmets with horse tails on top.
Pretty sure they inherited some of the props when Amazon got the LotR IP.
Sure there's some apologist out there that would say Rohan copied the craft of Numenor, but that wouldn't explain an island nation with the same interests in horse imagery.
Their only excuse for the horse motif would be that they are the cavalry unit. But yes, everything should be swans, or winged helms. Oh well...
@@Draven76MDJ
Book Númenóreans were like the ancient Romans. They fought on foot in formations with shields.
"they [Númenóreans] did not use them [horses from Númenor] in war; for all their wars were overseas. Also they were of great stature and strength, and their fully-equipped soldiers were accustomed to bear heavy armour and weapons."
"on the shores of Middle-earth they acquired and bred horses, but used them little for riding ... In war they were used only by couriers, by bodies of light-armed archers (often not of Númenórean race)".
Why did the show choose to invent this heavy cavalry? They wanted to rip-off from the success of PJ's movies and didn't care what the books say.
@@kylethomas9130 Actually Númenóreans loved their horses, "they esteemed" them. On the island "all journeyed from place to place on horseback", but "they did not use them in war; for all their wars were overseas" (UT). Also they were great infantry.
“Stab, twist, gut.” Reminds me of the fight scene between Aragorn and Lurtz at the end of Fellowship, where Lurtz’s only response to essentially that is to grab the sword and pull himself closer, menacingly. Then Aragorn does the actually smart thing and pulls back to cut his head off, making Lurtz unable to menace anything, because he’s been decapitated. In fact, the advice is so bad I’d consider it evil. Seriously, “Stab, twist, gut.” sounds like a catchphrase for literal orcs. Granted, the show has already portrayed Guyladriel as a terrible person, so it shouldn’t be surprising at all.
Aragorn: Ummm hold on, I heard a elf lady once say that this is how you kill an orc why isn’t this working? Are Uruks really that different?
*proceeds to decapitate Lurtz*
Aragorn: WOW that was WAY more effective!
@Char Sounds like a battle chant. Imagine hearing an army of Orcs/Uruk-Hai repeating those words in Black Speech, accompanied by Troll war drummers in perfect time, similar to how in the Return of the King the Horadrim arrived at Pellenor with their own battle chants. Be an intense morale booster/drainer for each army.
@@barret-xiii better than "Nampat!"
TBF with that first thrust in the fight, had dude listened to the mantra, he would have easily been able to twist his sword and cut open her stomach. So technically she gave some good advice lmao.
It reminded me of the Simpsons working in the fish gutting factory.
"Knife goes in, guts come out!"
I like to imagine Numenor was trolling Galadriel. They collected regular townspeople (not actual Numenorean soldiers) to fight her. And while she's smirking and looking pleased with herself, everyone else was actually laughing behind her back knowing the truth. Along with trolling they also did this for information gathering, now knowing more about how overhyped Galadriel is as a fighter.
Lmao that would have been amazing
This is cool way
A sign of great writing: Let your audience come up with stuff to make your scenes make sence.
"we intentionally trained them wrong as a joke"
Did you get any hiring calls from Amazon yet? Because honestly, that would be a great twist, and not only that, it would give room for Galadriel to grow, not only as a fighter, but also a character.
As a writer, and as someone interested in (obviously) the same kind of content you provide, I'm just happy you're getting your book out. You seem really happy, so far, with the results, and that makes me happy because it seems there is hope for me yet.
If another TH-camr talked about stuff they were selling this much I'd tune away, but honestly Shad is just so genuine with his passion that I do not even care
@@roxxdude1 be real, it's about 5 minutes of advertisment in a 1 hour video. It's nowhere close to bad.
Have you read Shad's book?
Thank you, Shad, I am happy you're going to break down this ridiculous lunacy called a "training session".
So what movie do people mention when they see your name (I always get Star Trek)
😁
@@patrickstewart3446 😂
shad: seems like a nice, educated, upstanding guy.
also shad: delights in analyzing the best ways to kill people with sharp objects
Shad you really nailed it down brilliantly, I read the books yeah Numenoreans are not your average/ordinary men, they are the descendants of the Edain of the 1st age who fought along side elves in the war of wraths against Morgoth. Tolkien described them as strong in body and mind as well as having tall stature ( on average like 7ft tall, Elendil himself is described as 7.11 ft tall so almost like 8 ft). Surely they already know about orcs even enemies far worse than orcs like dragons or balrog. The lore also tells us after the War of Wrath, Tolkien mentioned about this passage in the Silmarillion.
"Eonwe came among them and taught them ( Numenoreans) ; and they were given wisdom and power and life more enduring than any others of mortal race have possessed."
We also know that Eonwe being a Maia ( a divine beings not as strong as Valar) but still immensely more powerful than an elf or man, trained and taught the Numenoreans, he was known to be the best of the Ainur with weapons, so it's safe to say that being trained by a Maia with that skillset , should give a better indication that Numenoreans can actually fight. Sadly the depiction of Numenoreans by Amazon is so far from that, they look weak and like some ordinary peasants who doesn't even know how to fight with a blade or swords.
Showing an elf like Galadriel kicked their asses and humiliated them is just way too over the top . I think it's way too much lol, I don't mind if She beat them at the end during the training scene, since we know Amazon wants girl power in their show, but also for the fact that we know Galadriel is indeed strong being an ancient elf who is already more than thousands of years old by second age and was born before 1st age in the years of the trees. I just wished in that training/sparring scene, Amazon could've treated Numenoreans with a bit of respect considering their origin, like at least give them a chance to be able to stand their ground or fight back in some way. To me they look like noobs who doesn't even have skills in sword fighting.
and just to add that Eonwe was referred to as the "greatest of arms in Arda," meaning that he was the best with weapons, one could argue that he is equal if not stronger than Sauron ( being a maia ) as well. In the final battle of the War of the Wrath , Eonwe being the Herald of Manwe, came to aid the Elves and Men by leading a great host of Valar to defeat Morgoth. So yeah I would expect Numenoreans to have some knowledge in weapons combat. Unfortunately I didn't see that in the sparring/training scene. Guyladriel just toying with these poor Numenoreans lol. It looks ridiculous.
in addition, they were great sailors and basicly colonised middle earth. Yeah, sure, the people who colonised middle earth and live 200 years dont know how to fight the most basic enemy there is, stupid orcs.
i dont mind galadriel being kind of op, she is described as op in almost every way by tolkien too. But why do they have to nerf numenor so much?
And as usual, there are very simple ways this could've made to work within the confines of the lore while still achieving what they were trying to do here. Just set up that Numenoreans, while long-lived, are still mortals, and over the generations, without opponents on their levels to fight, their combat prowess dulled and became too reliant on their superior physique. That way, the guy acting like a noob could be part of the storytelling, and then he could finally man up, start fighting properly instead of just relying on his superior reach and strength, and then after a close match, Gladriel could still win just due to her opponent being rusty.
This way, you can have your fight scene, it would have actual meaning, Galadriel would come out of it more impressive by defeating an actually imposing opponent instead of a flailing moron, and it even fits the theme of the plot, where Galadriel is dragging the people who grew too soft in peace back into shape in preparation of a threat only she takes seriously.
But of course, that kind of thing needs effort and nuance, and making her into the bestest fighter ever where ehs beat swardsmon and doesn't afraid of anything is just easier.
I just figured it out!
These aren't Numenoreans! They're Noobenoreans!
I also want to point out that young boys (and some young girls, yes) especially in this time period, wrestle, box, rough house. They get into fights. They practice sword fighting with sticks, it's in our genetic makeup (most of us) to do this. It is training. The guys in this fight are tall, look like they are in decent shape, you don't get a physic like that without some good mind muscle connection. It is unbelievable that a young man in his fighting prime, would be so uncoordinated as to lose his balance and fall over from swinging with a 2 pound sword.
The falling over would be from being put off-balance due to the over-swing or over-extension. Being physically fit gives you a better ability to control a sword swing and thrust, but if you don't properly keep control you can still put yourself beyond your ability to quickly recover and react. This would be especially true when you are expecting to make contact, and so are not prepared to recover when you miss because you expected your target to counter the momentum of your movement.
A simpler example. Have your ever caught yourself not paying attention on a staircase and either missed a step (not encountering a solid footing where you expected it to be) or reached the bottom earlier than you anticipated (encountering the floor earlier than you expected)? Something as simple as that can throw a person off-balance, regardless of their physical condition.
@@JoRoq1 I suppose that is true, but then that just goes back to what Shad says in the video, that not competent person would be swinging that hard. It would have to be a pretty serious surprise with an immense amount of force to actually throw you over. Even if you over swing and don't encounter resistance you were expecting (which if you didn't expect to encounter any resistance, means you were intentionally swinging at nothing on purpose) you just take a step forward and catch yourself. But a kinesthetically capable person, knows their body well enough to understand how much force is reasonable to exert. And if the characters are meant to look like they've never walked before, what kind of story does that tell? Why are they sending the most incompetent people to middle earth? The fight scene itself doesn't tell the story of any of them actually getting better or learning from their mistakes, one of them just wins by accident. It's one thing to have a beat in a fight where an otherwise competent swordsman misjudges something or makes a mistake or the terrain is treacherous, but it can't be the whole fight, because then it diminishes the way we see those characters, and makes whoever is beating them far less impressive.
I’ve had more convincing fights with pool noodles
The problem here is that they are likely not "young". The Numenoreans are long lived, these _young_ people are likely 30-50 years old already and with that time, even though looking young, would come experience. But plot armor says they need to be incompetent to make Galadriel look amazing.
Can you imagine if instead, every person in this scene was competent, fast and skilled already, but Galadriel moved so fast and precisely none could touch her. It would have lent even more weight if she had drawn blood, albeit relatively harmlessly on each of her opponents.
But, you know, if you only have a billion dollars to spend on a show, why would you waste it on a good choreographer, consultant and proper training for your actors? But instead Morfydd Clark needed a shrink to get her through her battle scenes because she had some kind of snowflake reaction to pretend violence.
I've just fought this very week with guys who never wield a sword before. They still looked miles above these morons in term of balance, blade position, attack and initiative. Yet the guys Galadriel fight are established to be military trained...
I wonder what the actors were thinking, completely forcing themselves to be clumsy.
30:45 the director said that the guy attacking in this scene is actually screaming because his spinal cord has actually just broken, and the scream sounded so realistic and heartfelt thanks to the injury that that's the take they decided to use.
yikes
In a side note if you remember the fight between aragorn and the uruks in the fellowship. He most of the time attacked in a way to injure or kill the orcs and then get them off their feet as quickly as possible .....almost as if he had some actual combat training lol
Also remember when he used the “Stab, twist, gut” maneuver? Sucks that it was passed down all the way to Aragorn.
Aragorn did a lot of decapitating throughout the series lol
@@keonster when he tried to use stab twist gut on Lurtz you can see on his face he instantly realized he's been trained wrong and instead went for the decapitation lol
Remember when Aragorn stabbed Lurtz in the gut and the mad lad grabbed his sword and pulled himself almost close enough to bite his face off?
What about the twist part Shad?
Well, that is why he grabbed the sword and pulled himself, so it couldn't be twisted. If Aragorn would have twisted it, the fight would be over right then and there....
Honestly, I'm not sure twisting is such a good idea since the blade could just get lodged in the rib cage.
@@Edax_Royeaux That's what i've been thinking. How much resistance would flesh, bone and whatever armor there pose?
@@Parasiticism If you've seen CSI, you might remember the autopsy scenes will they have great difficulty just removing the rib cage to gain access to heart. If you're eating a rack of ribs, you'll know that even sharp knives struggle to get through pig bone and if you stab rib bone, the sword is just going to deflect above or below. A cutting weapon like a sword wont "cut" armor well, but a sword thrust can be used to penetrate armor, but punching through metal armor with a sword can make it difficult to remove the sword, especially if the blade has nicks or scratches and those nicks would also cling onto flesh, bone and caved in metal on the way out.
It's wild that they "train" only with swords but if you look at them as the prepare to leave they are carrying spears as a primary weapon.
I think this is the angriest I’ve ever seen Shad in my time following him.
“WOW, I WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE THAT OUT! THANKS, GALADRIEL!”
If you think this is angry, you should see my episode reviews on Knights Watch ^_^
@@shadiversity
Holy crap! Thank you for the Like, sir, and I appreciate your response. Last thing I expected from a guy as big as you. :)
And unfortunately, I haven’t been able to keep up with Knight’s Watch as much as I used to. Only so many hours in the day, y’know?
I think this is the calmest I've seen Shad talk about Galadriel's swordfighting 🤣
@@shadiversity The worst part about "stab, twist, gut" is that it's not an instant kill. Adrenaline can, at times, mask pain, so it might not even slow the enemy at first. Add in any access to healing magic reasonably soon, and it's not even guaranteed to be a kill. If the enemy is wearing even half decent armor, this attack becomes completely useless. You should NEVER make your first lesson to soldiers, experienced or not, one that might be useless. First, you teach them ways to quickly remove enemies from the battle. Then, you teach them ways to keep themselves from being removed. 🤦♂️
@@jackdaone6469 I watch them on 2x speed so that helps a bit haha. The rings of power one are worth the watch even if it takes a bit (much better than watching the show)
exceptionally good, hilarious, but also truthful, I don't truly care what they decide to do, I am not a lore freak, but what I am is a realist, the fight scene seemed more comedic than anything, and the stab, twist, and gut, you summarized extremely well. Thank you Shad!
The fight scenes in this show are almost as bad as the dialog
Makes me think of Aragorn fighting lurtz (the Uruk-hai who killed Boromir) and how he kept fighting which a knife in the leg a chopped off arm and then proceeded to pull Aragorn closer with the sword he just got stabbed through the torso with. It took cutting the head off to stop that beast of a foe.
Well, he was an Uruk-hai... So... Not just some random orc.
Never did I ever think I'd recall mundane lines from Peter Jackson's trilogy as examples of how to do dialogue when it comes to simple things as killing Orcs. Legolas' line in at Helms Deep, when he turned to the other elves and spoke in Elvish telling them to aim at the neck and below the arm because their armor was weakest there. It's just a throwaway line that tells the audience and the characters on screen information and everything they need to know inside of 5 seconds. Here they spend 20 minutes of Galadriel condescending what are supposed to be elite warriors and showing them up with her fancy fighting skills that Neo from the Matrix would be jealous of. It takes a special kind of hubris and lack of talent to make something this bad.
I'm glad you pointed out that they were (for some unknown reason) doing their sword training, not only with real swords... but IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET! Not only do they apparently NOT have a barracks, they don't even have a nearby open field where they can train.
I think they really are just so proud of those amazing palm tree pillars they needed an excuse to get plenty of tight shots of them. 16:47
These "soldiers", who have, presumably, grown up around many people armed with swords are taking ridiculously long, telegraphed, inaccurate swings with their swords, (holding their swords behind their backs before swinging). In other words, they're acting like they've never even seen a sword before.
I'd bet that if you gave plastic swords to a bunch of kids, they'd be able to put together a more convincing sword fight.
Galadriel causes people to fall down or quiver, simply by looking at them at 27:49, 45:00 she sends a guy flying backwards by just swinging her sword at him.
Thanks for pointing out at 28:37 how Galadriel sends a guy flying off-screen by just giving him a gentle elbow nudge.
18:07 Galadriel ducks long before she needs to, in fact, she's standing back up by the time the idiot trainee finally gets around to swinging his sword down at the air. Something similar happens at 29:22 where Galadriel ducks long before the trainee slashes over her head.
29:35 The first time Galadriel just holds out her sword and the trainee just runs into it. 32:29 The second time Galadriel holds out her sword and the trainee runs into it.
32:00 Thanks for pointing out how the soldier just opens his hand to let Galadriel take his sword.
34:48 The trainee gets his sword caught on a string... (why are they training in the street?) he stands there with his arm fully extended, keeping his sword stuck. Does that string have some really strong glue on it? Lower your arm! Let gravity work!
35:49 When you comment "Another person who somehow stumbles back, I don't know what happened to them" I think you're referring to the guy who was somehow shoved back into the wall by Galadriel knocking over some cups on a table (again, why are they training in the street?).
36:37 Galadriel uses the trainee as a shield... not that she needed to because the female soldier, leaning against the amazing palm tree pillar is just stabbing at air... and then the female soldier suddenly appears "not even close" to the amazing palm tree pillar a second later.
36:59 The trainee moves behind the amazing palm tree pillars... even though Galadriel is clearly in front of the amazing palm tree pillars and he takes a deliberate high swing at... nothing... only to cut loose the hanging cups (again, why are they training in the street?).
Like you said, "What are you aiming at!?!, There's no one there!"
The cups tumble down on his head and he falls on his face.
37:08 The female trainee is clearly swinging her sword straight up, Galadriel doesn't even have to deflect her blade.
43:10 Thanks for pointing out how 3-4 blades just magically appear from off-screen and Galadriel somehow blocks them all... and then all the trainees suddenly seem to be frozen by Galadriel's awesomeness.
46:23 Galadriel cuts the net down onto the two soldiers (I'm sorry you cut out most of this shot, it's one of the most comical parts of the scene). But anyway... 46:28 the two soldiers are cowering against the wall... but there's NO NET! Even though a second earlier they seemed to be desperately trying to get the net to fall on their heads and it seemed to fall over the male soldier's head.
I wish you would have kept in all the shots of the falling net. It seems to teleport between characters and is good for a few laughs. Eventually, the net reappears around the female soldier's chest.
to be fair, actually training in the streets would probably be helpful. When you get into a fight you're probably not going to always be in a nice open training field.
@@Graestra Alright, fair enough... but these are incompetent rookies... by training in the street, they're not only disrupting business (and smashing shopkeeper's cups)... they're likely to injure themselves and/or innocent people passing by.
Although, I wouldn't put it past the writers of this show... are they really planning to attack while the orcs are busy shopping at the local market?
I'm not sure if I should applaud you for the timestamps or feel sympathy for you and your suffering
As a kid with a plastic sword, I can verify that my 9 year old brother has better blade control than these guys and knows better than to overswing like this.
@@Graestra Yep, that's probably going to be a nice open battlefield.
This scene was essentially a live fire exercise in the middle of a shopping mall. Way to go show!
I'd be so mad if I was the owner of all that stuff they broke.
For the algorithm!
Also, I'd love sometime to see you do a review of the episode in Season 3 of Avatar: The Last Airbender called "Sokka's Master," where one of the main characters learns swordsmanship. It's super well animated, and I'd love to get your take on it.
Yea same I’ve always thought about that!
It might seem like he’s overselling his book at times in this video, but I’m currently reading through it right now, and I can confirm that it’s just as good as he’s making it out to be. I don’t even read a whole lot of fantasy/adventure books(I’m more of a sci-fi guy), but the world he created in it is really unique and you can tell a lot of thought was put into it. I wish more people like him actually wrote or worked on these big budget shows/movies that he reviews
How far are you into the book?
I have a dream that one day, Shad, Kramer (Living Anachronism), Matt Easton (Scholagladiatoria), and Todd (Todd's Workshop) will team up to make films together.
The results will be legendary.
Overselling it probably comes from wanting to escape from the travesty that is the fight scene he's supposed to analyse.
The only critique I have of his book is the boring instruction manual of magic system. Other than that, I'd give it a solid 6/10
@@morgansmith1930 Dont forget Critical Drinker as well. He is one of the best media critics in the game right now and he completely changed how I watch movies and shows.
Once again I would love to see a fight autopsy for a clone wars fight (like maul vs pre visla). It would be interesting to see if an animated show can be more accurate than fights with live actors. However these autopsies seem a ton of work to do so if animation makes it harder dont stretch yourself.
Phantom menace Naboo breakdown
@@victorcharles27 yes that would be the logical next step, but also the Princess bride one between Wesley and inigo Montoya
@@victorcharles27 also the fight between asoka and maul in clone wars final season. Apparently it was done using mocap so it was actual people duking it out
@@brianp6859 YES🤩
maul vs kenobi in the rebels cartoon
It's hilarious to watch poorly done fights scene cause it always reminds me of good fight scenes that actually know how to handle more complicated scenarios. Like the 1vmob portion reminds me of this one chapter from Rurouni Kenshin where Kenshin teaches the boy character what to do if he needs to deal with mobs, you run away and pace yourself so that the mob gradually thins and you can force a bunch of 1v1s, or you force them into narrow areas that prevents them from surrounding you, and thus forcing them into 1v1s.
Lol when Samurai X has better fight logic
The Raid movies both cost less than 10 million dollars combined, and they have better fight scenes than this billion dollar production
Didn't Miyamoto Musashi use this tactic a few times. For some reason he wasn't very popular at some points of his career and whole schools went after him.
Also another anime who gives surprisingly decent advice on swordsmanship is Overlord of all things.
It's basically:
1) Train your physique.
2) Practice a few basic attacks until you are really good with them.
3) Always have a follow-up plan.
4) Prepare the correct gear.
So the guy does stay fit. First becomes really good with a simple downward slash and later does follow it up with a vicious kick to the groin. He also wears chainmail under his civilian cloths and dyes his flashy armour black for a stealth mission and always carries healing potions and items that can do basic thief skills.
49:50 This reminds me actually of a nice swordplay training scene in Firefly, episode "Shindig", when Mal gets himself into a duel and Inara teaches him to hold a sabre: "We're fragile creatures. It takes less than a pound of pressure to cut skin".
Mal looked more competent with a sword in those scenes. And he was supposed to look like a beginner.
Did they teach her that in whore academy?
You just gained MASSIVE bonus points for the Firefly reference. HORRIBLY underappreciated show in my book. Shame it ended so soon :(
@@nerderonofficial And they killed it on purpose, too. D:
@@nerderonofficial I loved that episode. But they were all amazing. Absolutely criminal when it was cancelled. Imagine a reality where we had 5+ seasons of Firefly, and got to learn what they were trying to do to Summer and other kids.
Unless I'm missing something, I do feel like there is room for a sci-fi show following the crew of a ship as they go around on their adventures. And no, NOT Picard.
Thanks for getting this Autopsy out so quickly, Shad, despite the negative effects on your health! The laughter is very much appreciated 😄
"what is he aiming for?"
He's aiming for the highest score on movie set health and safety certification.
The guy with the sword pulled back so far it went behind him is called the Ultra Ascension Stance, a stance designed to make its user go straight to heaven (or hell)
in galadrials case Hell of swordswomenship
I've been waiting for Shad's take on this fight "training" with "real" swords.
Having a tiny elf beat numenorians is just bonkers.
Thorough, serious, competent and hilarious. I love every single frame of that video. Amazing work)
Living Anachronism has done a response to your video. He added information about stage combat and the mistakes made during the filming of this fight. There are things that need to be done to keep actors safe that would make a fight unrealistic. But tricks are supposed to be used to hide these things from the audience. When it's done well, you get a realistic looking fight scene. When it's not, you get something like this. It's a combination of choreography and good camera work that's needed to make a scene work.
I'd love to see these two do a collaboration on some of the fight sequences in this show, because these two episodes complimented each other really well. Shad covers the practical aspects of how this doesn't work as an actual fight, while LA covers how it doesn't work from a staging/filmmaking POV, and both provide examples of how it could have been changed to feel more real.
Recently rewatched 'The Mask of Zorro' and found one scene that felt awfully... familiar...
Zorro: Do you know how to use that thing?
Galadriel: Yes. The pointy end goes in the other man.
Zorro: This is going to take a lot of work.
Guyladriel's advice is like Alejandro Murrieta's phrase in Mask of Zorro: "The pointy end goes into the other man"
I think they were trying to do a reference to "Stick em with the pointy end."
I love your Fight Scene Autopsy series! It's informative and educational and your fun personality makes it an absolute joy to watch.
Thanks for another gem, Shad!
Yes! I have been waiting for this autopsy!
exactly what i thought when i saw the thumbnail
In context of the scene there would be additional reasoning to not put that much force into your blows because all you have to do is hit her to get the promotion so you wouldn't need to put much force into your blows at all. You would put only the necessary amount of energy into the blows to get a hit.
If I were Galadriel I would be trying to teach them that lesson too, with all of the power-swings they threw at her head with sharp blades lol
Did no-one think to remind them that this is *training?* That alone should be reason enough not to try to kill one another, let alone put down their live blades and find some sticks.
I think the reason they made the guy fall over literally every other swing was they wanted to make it look like Galadriel was dodging and parrying so expertly that he's constantly off balance.. but the producers forgot that we can fucking see Galadriel's "expert dodging and parrying" as well.
Shad, it looked to me like stage swordfighting as in for theatres which would be suitable... Had it been for theatre!
It makes me conserned that they've hired a stage choreographer rather than a combat choreographer for the entire show...
PS, bought your limited signed novel! Look forward to reading it.
I've had stage and film training for swords and other weapons. In it, they still train you in stances, how to use the blade competently, and even footwork. What you have in the show is choregraphed to make the Numenorians look incompetent and Guyladriel like a genesis. In real fights, the moves she uses would get her dead.
one simple thing had tuned the fights up by a thousent, call adorea
@@matthewblankenzee5452 For sure, I'm not saying the technique is any good at all - it isnt! They've clearly not gone over the basics with the actors, even in something as 'basic' as modern sabre forms (which is where my personal experience is mostly) but the overall phrasing of the moves are exaggerated and executed in such a way which would work on a stage where the audience are 15m away or more, have only one perspective, and can't pause or see from more than one angle like on the film/TV. That sort of choreography, there's a lot more license for unrealistic exchanges in theatre. These factors don't seem to have been taken into account by the producers therefore it has been choreographed to look flashy with minimal training requirements to be safe.
@@jlocksjedi7224 I was trained by a group of stage and film stuntmen (as they are called). One of the great differences that I recall from stage to film is that you have to be closer and the choregraphed action is actually faster in film. Since this is filmed and the showrunners would have to have an expert on set, one would think that they could stage a better fight scene; not one that looks like they are fighting on a stage. Btw, I was certified by stuntmen for broadsword, rapier, small sword, and sword & shield. Each had as you say different forms for combat but understanding how to fight someone else is also missing from this fight. Its like in poker, you play the person, not the cards.
@@matthewblankenzee5452 Nice! Yes for sure thats what I mean by the exaggerated movements and the speed seeming to fit stage fighting much better than film/TV which needs to be faster and more precise.
On a side note - which was your favourite to use?
"Fight with your feet, not your arms."
General Grievous: say no more.
Loving the your use of the green screen and you being in front of the footage. It keeps it easy to focus on what you're talking about instead of cutting back and forth or having a tiny window to your side.
Also, Galadriel cutting the rope net kinda confirms that the swords are really sharp. She cuts it with the sword in her right hand, which is the one she had from the start too.
The first thing I thought after I saw this travesty of a fight scene was "I really hope Shad does a video on this."
10:03
This is the equivalent of a firearms instructor waving a chamber loaded pistol in your face. Good job, Galandriel.
This is the bit where you roll for luck. No prizes for guessing what a 0 does.
I've been waiting most of the week for this inevitable video. Splendid!
Never have I ever thought I'd ever see shad holding a sword with his feet... Oh this is gunna be good.
"KILL HER!"
The recruits were so bad, Chad is getting enraged at the amount of opportunities they get to actually hurt Guyladriel.
I get that if you are a character in a high magic world, you might not need to rely on swordfighting skills, but first, LotR is not high magic and second, if they are going to become the fearsome Numenorian army, then they have a long way to go.
I am just sad about how bad the Rings of Power actually was.
Edit: Its really entertaining watching Chad call bullshit on those fight scenes.
I’m frankly surprised Shad didn’t have a heart attack watching the episode let alone this fight scene
This is because he has a heart of gold/titanium alloy.
"Only the Numenorean swordsmen are so precise."
Really reminds me of Star Wars Stormtroopers. "Only imperial stormtroopers are so precise." Someone needs to make a skit of 2 fighters and one of them just stands still and the other just misses everything!
In the first Star Wars they were that good, just look at the ship assault in the beginning which is a tough scenario for combat. The princess rescue was allowed so the Empire could find the rebel base.The troopers were that good to use that much firepower and miss on purpose which with squads of guys and hundreds of shots not as easy as it sounds while being disciplined enough to be willing to die from enemy fire in that situation. After that? I have no good answer on why the other directors made them goofs. Sidebar rant over
A Numenorean swordsmen and a stormtrooper go for a duel behind closed doors,
After a time the stormtrooper comes back with a bad head wound, and the Numenorean has been stabbed by his own sword
The crowd ask what happened
“Don’t know, There was a door”
“what happened to him then?”
“Don’t know, but I heard stab, twist, gut”
Is anyone talking about how insane this scene is with real swords instead of wood ones, regardless of the choreography? What if one of them really did get the best of her? So she just dies or becomes seriously injured? What?
They're all sick of her, and the Captain offered a bounty promotion for her blood lol
Shad’s uncontrollable fits of anger about this show perfectly describes how I feel lmao
You and him both seriously need to grow up then.
@@petulantpeterturbo Ring of garbage.
Also, if you stab and twist with a sword, that's not going to be very effective because the sword if going to twist in the opposite direction due to european swords' flexibility. Twisting works well with daggers because they're short and rigid allowing you to transfer much more force through the blade.
Yeah I was about to say, don’t twist with a sword, it’s too flexible for that.
At the point of stabbing, bring your sword back out so you can guard with it. Want to know what’s happening as you are taking the time to twist? That ork is probably going to swing down his sword on you while you can’t guard.
Remember Numenorian Weapons and Armor are supposed to be highly magical and near indestructible. So twisting with a Numenorian Sword wouldn't break it or anything like that.
@@morrigankasa570 Galadriel is supposed to be a powerful mage too, not a swordsman. I think Amazon decided that magic would be taking a back seat in their show in favor of political messaging. It's supposed to reflect modern times/the world we live in 😂
The point of a twist is to introduce additional shock into your opponent, not to cause damage - a blade thru your body is usually enough damage to incapacitate.
@@thecaptain29 Fair enough, but just saying from actual lore perspective Numenorian Weapons don't break except in extreme circumstances.
That "I can't do it" made my day, the distress felt so genuine!
I don't blame him as a sword enthusiast I would have done the same
I cannot tell you with this many words how sad I was whenever I had to pause your audio book to sleep or go to work- the book drew ME in so much I was desperately hoping there was a sequel when it ended
Awesome to hear, I think i might have to get it myself :)
@@richter6699 don't know about the audio book, but the story itself is AWESOME! So yes get it!
Great dissection Shad. Have you ever thought of reviewing the fight scenes from The Princess Bride? I loved those as a kid, and I've heard people say that they were done competently.
I would LOVE to see fight scene autopsy on The Princess Bride!
Never seen Shad so emotionally invested in a Fight Scene Autopsy.
seven minutes in and im laughing my a*s off allready... oh Shad, what a character...gotta love these fightscene breakdowns :) good job, and keep it up!
Aragorn: Move your feet.
Galadriel: FiGht wIth yOUr feEEet!
I love how shad can properly murder a choreographed fight scene.
That's because he as a larper knows what he is doing
This comment implies this scene was actually choreographed rather than the actors being told to just flail their swords around like buffoons and they'll figure it out in post.
I love your fight scene autopsys. Never stop doing them.
Came for the entire analysis and got what I was looking for after 14 sec. Well done Shad!
Hey Shad any chance you'd have a geez at some of the fight scenes in Peter Jackson's trilogy? I was always fascinated with the discussion about Viggo Mortensen's sword training. I remember the guy who trained him said he was a natural. Although I wonder if he meant for stunt fight scenes, normal sword fights or both. At the very least I remember Aragorn tended to fight smart when he could. In Fellowship of the Ring at the Battle of Amon Hen, we see Aragorn retreat to a ruin, going up some stairs to gain a height advantage and also forcing the Uruks to fight him one at a time, since they could have easily killed him if he was surrounded.
I even remember seeing the behind the scenes of Orlando Bloom practicing archery. These guys actually developed entirely new skills in order to play their parts. Whereas now with a *BILLION* dollar budget Amazon just gets people to randomly swing swords around and then call it a day.
Why do I have the feeling that when they show the Numenor volunteers fighting the orcs, we won't see a shred of Galadriel's advice taken into account? The director of that episode will have them all hacking and slashing and screaming.
No they will all "stab, twist, gut" with their feet.
@@CoNteMpTone I had to rewind that bit where Shad was holding the sword with his feet. Too hilarious!
Don’t forget: The best soldiers are the ones that screen the loudest, not the ones with discipline.👍
Good call! Even if totally predictable, it is still annyoing to see nothing of the kind in the battle in ep 6.