Christians are mad that a Christian magazine (correctly) said Jesus was Asian (Livestream)
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- A Christianity Today article said Jesus, who was born in Bethlehem, was Asian... because he literally was born in Asia.
This is apparently VERY upsetting to conservative Christians who insist Jesus was white.
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They're still struggling with the part where he was Jewish.
There are black and Chinese jews🤡
😆😆 Absolutely.
And on top of that, modern jews are pretty mixed up with western and Russian genetics.
An historical Jesus would most likely look more middle eastern than most modern day jews!
Jew-ish? So he was like a Jew, but really not? He never existed, but if he did, he wouldn't have been European.
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@@lovedoctor519he was 3/4 Mick Catholic on his mother's side. I myself am half, so don't come at me.
I keep hearing he's coming back.
God help him if he tries to get past US border control to resume his carpentry career.
🤣🤣🤣
You need to catch up. He already came back in the form of Donald J. T****, were you unaware of this?
Why would he go to the USA? It is a big world. And safer for him out there. 😂
Jesus returns-is shredded by razor wire.
Why would Jesus "return" to the USA? Many, perhaps most, Americans think he spoke English, a language that did not exist until several centuries after his death. They also think he was a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (unless they happen to be Catholic). Definitely an Aryan - certainly not Jewish.
Most Americans don't really know what Asian actually means. When you say Asian they automatically think of Chinese people, not knowing that asia is the biggest continent on earth and is a very diverse place.😂
As australian , we have a 50% asian population , some use the 6000 years of the original asian jesus , even the Jungle book depicting a thailand jesus , as a trible story an actor who depicts jesus also has a place in that community , even in indonesia and india, christianity is a minority , some believe jesus lived to be 100 with 8 wives and 60 children, but that gets forgotten
Please tell us more about the 100 year old Jesus. That is new info for me.
ok, well the way we were told, was that the travelling circus jesus knew that each 12 months each region had new years at a different time , asian festivals in Febuary after monsoons & bad weather flooding , india in March new year , move on to Istanbull, in April to appeise their nailing on a cross ritual, the Romans as rulers wrote everything down, also in May the Cossacks celebrate the spring , supposidly with jesus wives all over the place pagan hippies celebrated with jesus til the September harvest strawman , roman things October as all hallows , is when all 12 former jesus performers get together , so by the time the Spanish passover orthadox sacred weekly meetings happen its January and the circus went back to asia , cos after 20 years of roman census checks, its easier to pretend one died and do one last performance as jesus and retire to asia with the jesus family , live til 106 and then have Roman history have a version of the story@@celestescott1640
Here in the UK, when people say "Asian" they tend to mean peoples whose ancestry is South Asian from the Indian subcontinent.
yes the UK australian similarity , we were taught by ex~navy / army school teachers, so we all passed down the story that Jesus was born in japan, but travel was by boat , and language from anchient vietnam to thailand to coustal India & sri Lanka are both muslim & pagan& later christian pilgrimage to the central religeous towns in Egypt, jordania & tibet, some say that because all ancestors come from egypt , then Jesus brought his children on the same adult journey that he ceremonaly took by boat , as Sanscrit was the language of coastal communities for shipping , so naturally jesus early life before being a dad , to marry off his chilren is in asian history,@@trickygoose2
Jesus dyed his hair blond, bleached his skin, and wore blue contact lenses for our sins. Thanks Jesus 👍
This would be a great SNL skit!
He gave his weekend for your sins, have some respect 😂
He turned Holy Water into Sun-In
@@somedude2486 And a 3-day weekend, to boot. That's some serious sacrifice.
He's out surfing off the Santa Monica pier as we speak!
Fred Sanford (Redd Foxx) - “Ain’t no way Jesus lived in the desert for 30 years - without a hat - and stayed white!” 😂
@fepatton. Thank you!! Reading that quote and busting out laughing made my day! I loved that show-you could always trust ole Fred to point out the obvious but uncomfortable truth!
Except Jesus didn't wander the desert, he went on a pilgrimage, travelled throughout the East, some think as far as Nepal and Bangladesh with lush jungles and rainforests, studied Buddhism and Confucius. It was the Hebrews that allegedly wandered the desert around Saudi Arabia and Yemen for 40 years 3,000 years earlier. The Hebrews, later Jews, founded the city of Babylon/Bagdad while the Canaanites, who were ostracized by the other exiled Hebrews from Egypt over the Curse of Ham, founded Jerusalem, Sodom and Gomorrah. Jesus would have been Iraqi if King David didn't go on a genocide spree to kill the Canaanites for being black and the Jews remained in Iraq. Plus Babylon had no seaport or access to ocean trade, they basically created a race war justified by faith in order to take a city with better financial options and since they won they got to write the history to make themselves out to be the good guys.
I'd like to know where to find evidence for any of the claims you've made. "Curse of Ham?"😅. Also, Black people largely had nothing to do with any of this. Please leave us out of this.
@@handl3869 Are you kidding? The Curse of Ham was when Ham got his wife pregnant with Canaan after seeing the naked body of his father Noah. Since Ham was aroused by his dad and used that erection to impregnate his wife Noah cursed Canaan with black skin, that's the biblical story of how black people came to be. Evangelical Apologetics use it sometimes when they're trying to argue against evolution.
The Hebrews were originally Egyptian, which is in Africa, they worshipped Egyptian gods until the reign of Akhenaten, the creator of monotheism and had many black followers converted from other African areas. When Akhenaten died Egypt reverted back to polytheism and the Hebrew followers of monotheism were exiled, they created the story of the Curse of Ham to justify separating the black Hebrews from the Egyptian brown Hebrews.
@ll7868 You're believing a made-up story used to rationalize why Black people are viewed as less-than by practitioners of the abrahamic religions? I certainly hope you're not a melanated person of African descent.
I once had an idiot coworker get upset when I referred to Jesus as a Jew.......he blurted out "He was NOT". Seriously. lol
That’s very common.
If you're indoctrinated in to anti semitism you don't want to believe you're worshipping a Jew.
He was a descendant of the tribe of Judah.
He actually was a Jedi.
They just hate the Tribe that much.
i've always said most christians wouldn't worship jesus if they knew more accurately what he should look like if he were real.
Or what he said! They pray to one socialist Jew but condemn another (eg Bernie Sanders).
You've always been wrong, then, about both Christians and Jesus.
More than likely, if Jesus were to show up today, in his original (resurrected) body, most American Christians would see him as a terrorism threat, and stay FAR away as well as summon law enforcement.
@@allanrichardson1468Bernie Sanders isn't a socialist, he is a social democrat, two very different things.
@@bluester7177 But close enough, to the MAGA.
If horses could draw, they would draw their gods as horses.
Abridged: Xenophanes
The angry mob slept through geography.
Love that if," horses could draw, they would draw their Gods as horses."
The angry mob is composed of those kids who sit in the back row in school. A lot of them dropped out.
How can they be mad? What else do they expect considering his origin. He isn't white.
That assumes that "he" is not just an accumulation of stories.
But I have heard many christians assert that he was white, some say... as in a west European. They are the same ones who think our species was created white as well. So this recent outrage is expected.
Early depictions (before spread of Christianity in europe) show him as fair skinned. These are within 200 years of the founding of the church 🙄🤡
Nonsense, Jesus is so powerful he can be born American, some 1780 years before the country even existed :]
Muhammad (arab) was known to be pale skinned with red hair. His living descendant is a white ginger who could pass for irish
@@markozagar Don't forget he spoke english and wrote the BIble, personally, in english :P
I love how customizable Jesus is.
Shows you how he isn't actually real since anyone can make him look like the way they want.
This "Jesus" character is like a customizable Mr. Potato Head.
@@Danny451lol
What we need is a Jesette ♀️♀️♀️♀️♀️
@@beckiejani7782 ....So I looked up the feminine form of Jesus and one of them would be Jesuite, which IS employed (in Hebrew form) as the title of Jesuit nuns.
The other would be Jesusa or possibly Jesusina (Yeshuah instead of Yeshua) or if we're anglicizing from Joshua, the proper english name derived from it, Joshuella/Joshuina.
(I can't believe I looked up what a Rule 63'd Jesus would be called.) (EDIT: Also I like Jesusina for some reason.)
I asked one of my Christan friends, "Why did Judus need to kiss Jesus to indicate who he was, he could just said he was the white one."
Jesus was preaching all over the place, everybody would have been able to point him out. And I guess the authorities also knew him. The Judas story is just bollocks.
@jamescrawford4388 - Excellent point!
@@PaulaBeanthere were no photos at the time, so recognizing Jesus when he was not preaching would be hard for someone who never met him
"Just look for the big blue eyes and flowing blonde hair"
@@PaulaBean actually Jesus wasn’t preaching all over, at least according to the Bible. The Gospels make no mention of Jesus preaching in Sepphora, the largest city in Galilee. And yet Sepphora is less than half a day’s walk from Nazareth. Practically in Jesus’s backyard.
And the Gospels specifically state that Jesus didn’t preach in the largest city in Judea, Caesarea. Instead the Bible says that he preached only to the less educated rural people in “the towns around Caesarea.” The only city Jesus seems to have visited is Jerusalem. And he performed no public miracles nor made any famous sermons there. So maybe a lot of rural people could have identified Jesus, but he was just another anonymous Jew in Jerusalem.
This gives me vibes from that King of the Hill bit where Hank asks Kahn if he's Chinese or Japanese. Kahn angrily explains that he's from Laos and where it is, Hank and the others stare at him for a moment then ask again if he's Chinese or Japanese.
You provided me with the best laugh of the day! Thanks!
😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly spot-on. This.
Even this guy did the same thing by referring to the Korean artist as Chinese literally 3 seconds after reading aloud the title referring to the artist as Korean
I remember that episode!!
That's their whole problem. They don't stop to think. They just react instantly.
All these peeps with "Personal Relationships with Jesus" and not once did Jesus point out their error. Weird.
Dude your comment wins the Internet today.
He's just being overly polite. Duh.
Goes to show their personal relationship with Jesus is instead a solipsistic relationship with their own minds.
Another of the stupidest comments I have heard in awhile. Atheists are so arrogant.
He was clearly wearing a burqa.
There is a crazy amount of anger and toxicity in christians. It's pretty off putting.
Very Cultist.
No love like christian hate.
@@jamescampbell2521
"Scratch that, reverse it!"
The common phrase is "no hate like Christian love"
They never get help for their issues, they just wrap them up in religious dogma and try to push it on the rest of the world.
I don’t know about everywhere, but hypocrisy is a cornerstone of western religion.
Apparently the average right-wing Christian couldn't point to Israel on a map. Not surprising with the poor quality of their private Christian schools/home schooling most of them receive.
When I was a kid, I did not really think about the geographical reality in the Bible stories. They were more in the realm of fairytales in my head. Something that happened far away in a long gone time. I got a bible atlas as a teen and only then realized that there is an actual place on earth where this was supposed to have happened. I would not be surprised if a lot of them do think of the stories as happening somewhat outside of reality.
@@happytofu5 I know as a Jew, it was fictitious world like any other work of fiction in my head
#imagination
"The Facts don't care about your feelings" Crowd sure got their feelings hurt with these facts!
Their problem is that none of them know anything about geography. 🙄🤦♀️
For sure !
That's it!! 😂
Or art!
I’d like to know where they think Israel or Bethlehem are.
Or history.
Jeezus was Murican! Born in Missouri to a nice Mormon family. Also was a Republican. FACT!
naw he was born in alabama :D
@@larrysmith5991
Nah. He was born in the Mississippi of the North Indiana.
Hey, the Mormons have genetic evidence of that.
Well I definitely can't dispute these facts. Carry on.
Na, he was an evangelical. And every bit of fabric associated with him had the American flag printed on it.
I went to a Chinese exhibit a few months ago in Hungary and the pictures of Jesus were all painted Chinese. It makes sense that people would want Jesus to look similar to themselves.
Exactly
It’s funny that the fundies keep forgetting that the middle east is shorthand for “middle east Asia”! 😂😂
Middle East at the time was populated by very white people. So you are wrong.
TH-cam just warned me to stop disagreeing with people or my channel will be terminated.
So, please apologize and stop arguing with me.
Tbf i never knew that till just now. It was always taught as simply "the middle east". Never even thought about it.
no it isnt, it's not shorthand for anything. it's just middle east. india isn't asia, it's a subcontinent. australia isn't asian. EAST is not synonymous for ASIA
@@xenn4985 The Indian subcontinent is in Asia, Thailand is in South-East Asia, the Middle East is in Middle Eastern Asia. Just becoz Asians have the greatest variation in looks and ethnicity, doesn't make any of them non-Asian.
Since when?
There is a short story from decades ago, "The Boy Who Painted Christ Black". It is about an African-American boy who drew Jesus as a Black man and the outrage it created at his school.
If they were looking for historical accuracy then they wouldn't have painted anything.
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Christians don't let commandments they don't like stop them
That’s what he was saying
That's something for in the first edition of "Christianity Tomorrow".
@@JZsBFF Copyright!!! 😲
I wonder how many of these people simply don’t realize that Israel is in Asia.
or even that Asia is a continent.
Races in the U.S. are not defined by continent. Israel, Lebanon and Syria all count as White, while Asia starts only in Pakistan. Race is a social construct. The name "Asian" can be a bit misleading but it really implies "East Asian" in the U.S. Census.
@@Sal.K--BC Continents are just opinions anyways. There are tectonic plates and Israel would be on the edge of the Africa and Arabian plates, while Europe and Asia are part of the same tectonic plates. There is no real reason why Europe and Asia are separate, except what ever the Greek division decided, which was based on perceive ethnic, linguistic difference. Of course for "Asia" Iran, Afghanistan, India and pre Turkic and Mongol central Asia, all had a similar linguistic group as Europe. And the middle-east was different, and east Asia was different.
most americans have no idea where their ass is.
(watch jay leno talking to folks on the street, most of them think they live on mars already).
The fact that it’s so obvious most of them didn’t read it and are just falling in step with reactionary talking points for the sake of rising outrage. Shows you how these people approach their faith. It’s all about being mad at people they disagree with.
There are approximately 4000 religions, so if you believe yours is the only correct one, then you are just one religion away from being a free person(atheist).
These are the same people who will lecture you about The Constitution without having ever read it. MAGA thinks the First Amendment means they have "the right' to say whatever they want, whenever they want, about whomever they want without any consequences. They're the same people who ban books that they don't like. Oy.
And, for claiming to be martyrs and victims for not being able to persecute the rest of us in the manner that they'd like to.
Look at how they have overreacted to the After School Satan Club. They saw the word Satan and went no further.
The people that make the reactionary post know what their saying is fake news, but they need people to click and give them money. To be fair FA is doing the counter fake news "look at these idiots" even if most his viewers will never fact check him to see the whole news thread, at the end of the day fact checking it's not fun and it takes a lot of time so it's 2 hours of "I will take stupid people believing fake news in 10 minutes videos " or "I'm 4 hours in and yup FA debunked the fake news very well in his 20 min video".
For a common American, "Asian" , means Chinese, Japanese or anyone that have features like them. They don't realise how big Asia is or how many ethnicities it has.
True! I wouldn't be surprised if most people in the US had no idea that Indians are Asian.
Especially that first one that doesn’t realize Jew and Asian aren’t mutually exclusive
And Americans say racism doesn't exist there? Education, that's what's really missing.😂
This is literally how the Asian race is defined in the U.S. Census. "Asian" starts only in Pakistan and then East from there. The people originally from Türkiye, Lebanon and Iran are all White. The areas of the race and the geographical continent have an overlap but are not identical.
American Gods pointed out this exact concept when they portrayed Jesus in multiple ways for their Easter episode a few years back.
That was hilarious--all those befuddled arguing about which was the REAL Jesus.
Ian McShane? 😂
@@DebNKY yup that show. It was great!
"Why don't any of these people read the article?!"
Bruh... they haven't even read the bible that they cling to so tightly. Expecting them to read is too much to ask.
"Jesus wasn't Asian; he was born on Earth!!" Well, that made me spit water all over my office
Geography wasn't taught at his school, or he just doesn't remember.😅
That makes me sus about Graham's view of peeps not of European ancestry.
@@gregorybranch5435 No school like home skool.
@markbeiser That’s entirely accurate. Home schooling is *remarkably* similar to no schooling at all….
Ah yes, Asia, my favorite planet.
The racism is breathtaking.
"How dare you deprecate our Savior by saying he's ASIAN?"
Unbelievable.
One could argue it’s disrespectful merely to get their lord and savior’s origin WRONG, but you’re also probably correct.
...but he is...!
@@Packless1 so are russians on this logic
@@Packless1Yeah, he is. They just don’t know that.
This is Christian white American, racism is the very defining quality of what/who they are.
Funny to see the coming together of the average American's knowledge of the Bible, and geography. 🤭
A relentless clusterfuck of idiocy.
I guess those home schooling guides forgot to mention geography 😂
All we need now is nutrition, and we have the holy trinity.
Imagine if they said that our lord referred to the magazine on his AR as a "clip."
Exactly what I was thinking. Americans in particular have a horrible grasp of geography.
This was visually depicted on the "American Gods" TV series, based on Neil Gaiman's novel, when a group of "old gods" met, for some reason I can't remember, and there were DOZENS of ethnically and racially diverse "Jesus Christ" each reflecting the individual group that envisioned the character around the world. I remember when I first saw the scene I laughed out loud😁
Sounds like a Saturday Night Live skit where dead and living ex-Presidents return to straighten out GW Bush.
jesus was born on June 14, 1946, at Jamaica Hospital in Queens, New York City
oh wait. I am conflating trump and jesus again -- like a good christian /s
Jamaica ? Doesn’t that make him a foreigner ?
That explains the Orange Skin.
@@dogwalker666😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Cheezus born again …
@@SoundbrigadeCheddar cheese, since it's orange?
Remember that they're all home schooled and geography class is not required. Maybe they needed to include a map in the article?
Critical thinking is also not a part of MAGAT culture. Obedience to The Mango Mussolini is required, though.
@@petergianarakos4439AKA The Orange Jesus.
@@hildeschmid8400
I still remember that one Republican convention with the golden Trump statue. Self-awareness is truly not common among the religious righ in the USA.
I grew up in Pennsylvania. I know where Bethlehem is!
It's on Rt 22, between Allentown and Easton, right next to Nazareth
@@SuprousOxide😂😂
I love that Meghan Kelly compared the historical skin colour and race pf Jesus to Santa Claus. Basically.admitting these are fictitious people
Fictitious is a politically correct term....they don't and won't "see" or "believe" in any man that is not in yt skin...
Yeah, she unwittingly told a truth!
well yeah it all folk tales
I suspect Jesus looked like the Easter Bunny
Santa Claus would probably have similar colour skin as Jesus as he was from Asia Minor and was probably of Greek descent.
They'd call him a terrorist if he came down looking like he did 2000 years ago in ancient Judea...
A Palestinian man preaching that the current regime reigning over the West Bank is illegitimate and will be overthrown by God? Yeah, I can't imagine that going down poorly with Y'allqaeda.
It occurred to me that after the successful destruction of the World Trade Center, wow, god was on their side.
By the time of Jesus, Judea was destroyed and renamed Syria Palestina
Don't you dare bring realism into my romanticised image of a mythical middle eastern preacher!
I thought everyone knew Jesus was a Klingon 😂
@@dogwalker666You can't appreciate the Bible until you've read it in the original Klingon.
@@dogwalker666No, He was a Nord, and a Dovahkiin!
@@DrewGJackson This is so true.
@@Mark_Agamotto1313_Smith ohh I see.
Nonsense! Jesus obviously looked like Obi-Wan Kenobi. Ewan MacGregor Obi-Wan, not Alec Guinness Obi-Wan.
When asked why there was only one set of footprints, Jesus replied, "The Sand People ride single file to hide their numbers."
Ooh, HOT! 🔥
I thought Jesus was Kenny Logins?
@@waterandafter Or the Dude.
and when I looked back in the sand and saw only one pair of foot prints in the sand , it was then that I knew .... "Sand People always ride in single file to hide their numbers"
The big mistake the author of the article made was assuming her audience was generally intelligent. The comments have definitely shown otherwise.
You mean like this one. Atheists are so very condescending.
If I wrote at a publication called Christianity Today, I don't think I'd ever make that mistake.
@@SuperWikiMan It is a crappy publication; it is run by some cretans, and I'm a Christian.
@@libertyresearch-iu4fy a Christian who watches the friendly atheist? Respect.
@@SuperWikiMan I'm just not a fan of atheists at all. Atheists are, especially, outspoken lying types, are hypocrites who like to pile on their own future fires.
Ben Shapiro was born in America. He's an American.
Evangelicals: "Durr everyone knows he's a Jew. He's not American."
Ummm, what?
Really?
@@opinion3742 Same logic as this.
@@SuperWikiMan Yeah, and which evangelicals are having a problem with Shapiro being a Jew?
@@opinion3742 I don't know. Maybe the same evangelicals who have issues with Jesus being both Asian and Jewish. Apparently they think you have to choose between one or the other.
@@SuperWikiMan I will have to take your word for it because I have not encountered evangelicals having a problem with Jesus being Jewish. Anyway, aren't most of them Zionists?
Fun fact: especially for ms Kelly Santa was also Asian. He is the evolution of Nicolas of Myra who was born in the current Asian part of Turkye
In a Romanian museum I saw lots of Othodox religious paintings. St. Nicholas was brown, Jesus and Mary were coal black.
@@DavidNewmanDr If you are talking about ikons, the colors (including the skin) were actually lighter when painted and turned darker over time (it's a miracle!) - no, by smoke and soot and aging of the pigments..
The problem is that when most Americans hear "Asian," they think of the race, not the continent. In their imaginations, Asia begins east of the Himalayas, and anything west of that is either the Middle East or Eastern Europe. And this isn't new. The "What is Asian?" controversy has been going on for many decades. There were actual court cases to determine whether various groups (Armenians, Punjabi Indians, etc.) were "White" or "Asian." Even Jews were thought of as "Oriental." Western Jews would be depicted as stereotypically Middle Eastern in cartoons.
@@MossyMozart These were oil paintings in frames in a museum in Tulcea, not frescos on walls, so probably less affected by smoke, although even oil pigments can change over long times. The rest of the scenes weren't so dark.
Nicolas of Myra was Greek, though. This was before the ethnic cleansing that helped create modern Türkiye. Anyway, Greeks and Turks are both White according to the U.S. Census. "Asian" as a race starts only in Pakistan and then East from there.
When I was a child I used to wonder if Jesus was born in the middle east why is he depicted as a white man when people from the middle east are dark skinned. I'm black and went to a christian middle school. Where they had many "Graven Images" adorning the walls. I'd often wonder to myself again how many heavens are there? Would those good christians who fought against integrating schools, would they be in the same heaven as the blacks they lynched. Going to the christian school helped make me an atheist. Love your channel and podcast.
Yeah, a big part of what made me know that the Christian religion wasn't true is I just looked around at the most religious Christians I knew (mostly family, so I knew them very well) and my non-religious friends and acquaintances, and I knew the religiously unserious or unaffiliated people were, on average, so much kinder, caring, loving, empathetic, understanding, accepting, and less controlling than the very religious people in the same area. If they were right and they were all going to one place while everyone else was going to the other, we'll frankly, I don't want to be stuck in a room with the super "Christians" for eternity.
I started working fast food as a teen, and that really cemented it for me. I thought, maybe the few churches my family goes to are bad, and it's not wide spread? Nope, the worst time to work fast food in rural areas is Sunday morning-evening, solely because of the church people.
It's crazy, They constantly steal in ways they can usually get away with, like asking for a cup for free water then getting pop, teaching their kids to eat half an ice cream cone then drop it and come to the counter pretending to cry asking for a brand new one, and just slimy stuff like that, and if you call it out, then THEY act like the victim. They complain constantly about everything. They'll complain about the line... While standing in line with the 15 other people who left Church with them and got there at the same time (like you are the line, honey) They are so rude and treat workers like trash. This was a fast food restaurant in a poor and drug infested rural town, so we got our fair share of other wild things going on, but I'd rather deal with drunks and heads all day than the church people. Why would I ever want to go to a place with no one else but them.
“If you're a black Christian, you have a real short memory.” - Chris Rock
Cuz he half gawd and gawd is white, duh...
The people of Middle East are not all dark skinned. You are still as ignorant as you were back then
_Would those good christians who fought against integrating schools, would they be in the same heaven as the blacks they lynched._
Actually, they would be in Hell. Maybe Dante would have written about them getting black skin and eternally being tied to burning crosses in Hell...
These are the same people who were having a stroke when a black actress portrayed the fictional character of the Little Mermaid.
The craziest thing about that is that an actual mermaid would probably be quite outlandish... and she would probably not smell all that great.
Atheists say the darnedest things.
Of course Jesus was not European. 1st Century Jews hadn't yet migrated to and spread across Europe adding that genome to theirs. But this image in this guys thumbnail is not accurate either. This image appears to have Sub-Saharan African genes which is equally ridiculous.
Well, what about that Charles Darwin fellow who you atheists worship (or whatever you prefer calling it)? Now was HE a WHITE guy? THAT's what I wana know.
THAT one IS a bit different though. Because that ORIGINAL STORY (by Hans Christian Anderson) is, after all, a European tale with a European setting.
That’s so awesome! It never occurred to me that a large percentage of evangelicals hadn’t realized that Bethlehem is in Asia…
What? You mean he wasn't blonde, blue eyed, in a suit, telling people to pick themselves up by their bootstraps?
Are you really surprised that they didn’t read the article? Most haven’t read the Bible, either. And, when missionaries were trying to spread Christianity to “heathens” and “savages,” didn’t they try to make it relevant to the local people by incorporating some of their traditional practices? How did we get the Christmas tree, the Easter bunny, etc. associated with major events in Christianity?
What you said is true. I just want to let you know that missionaries from Spain and Portugal in the Middle Ages were not the first and only people to do that. The gospel of Christianity was spread hundreds if not a thousand years before they went out to “preach to the heathen.”
Most people have seen the movies with Charlton Heston and heard or read all the Jesus stories. That's all they know. That's all the movies and the preachers preach about. They have no idea what the Bible really contains, although they sure do like the parts they like and disregard the parts they don't.
I remember seeing a poster consisting of about 12 small portraits of Jesus from different cultures showing Jesus as every race. It was a powerful image.
Once upon a time, I would've said, "See? This is the true essence of Christianity. Every human coming together to agree to worship God."
I'm not a Christian anymore, but the fact that an image like that would make people *angry* instead of feeling united only shows how badly the ideals have fallen.
Before I left the church, I used to go to an exhibit of nativity scenes from around the world that my parents’ church put on every year. One of my favorites was an African one that changed up the animals, too. I don’t think they had zebras in Bethlehem, but they stand out in my memory to this day.
I like the south park one. That one is on point🎉
@@pigcatapult those African pictures are wrong. Read the Bible, there were no zebras.
Jesus was the Son of God, so of course he must have been white.
Sounds beautiful to me!
I saw a Korean Jesus before back when I was a little Catholic girl and it FREAKED.ME.OUT😂😂
I found it kind of funny when I went to a co-worker's family's house here in Georgia, when I seen a picture on the wall of jesus, and sure enough Jesus looked like a southern boy haha. I even said something to my coworker about it, why people render Jesus to look more similar to their culture, then to depict him looking like a Jewish man which would have had darker skin, more particularly Brown. Talk about creating gods in our own image lol
Caucasian Georgia or US Georgia?
@@usernamenotfound80
They said Southern Boy. I'm invisioning a white Jesus flying a Confederate flag.
@@usernamenotfound80 The US state, not the country
Yep, lol, I've said it for years. We make gods in our image, not the other way around.
@@usernamenotfound80 well I live in a rural town not too far from Atlanta so whichever fits that description. But this Jesus did have that southern boy look to him and of course had blue eyes, Fair white skin, and clean long brown hair.
This is actually pretty funny. I'm no longer Christian, but my spouse is, and he's from Asia (Malaysia). We both found the Christianity Today article quite interesting, and not the least bit offensive. The people complaining about it need to take their own "facts don't care about feelngs" mantra to heart and go find a nice quiet place to calm down - preferably one without internet access.
If needed, a well-upholstered (gated) room.
Conquered colored peoples are always the most vociferous.......LOL
People also go apeshit if you call Jesus a rabbi, which is hebrew for teacher.
That is very true.
I met Coptic Christians while serving in Ethiopia. They depicted Biblical characters as Africans. They Believe that they have the True Arc of the Covenant. When did that Bible get started?
They must be those Top People they told Indy about.
IIRC the coptic are one of the oldest branches of Christianity. They have more books in their Bible than anyone else.
*Ark. An arc is a curve.
Imagine, an atheist wondering why OTHER people get things wrong.
@@libertyresearch-iu4fy imagine, a person with a name of @libertyresearch-iu4fy demonstrating they haven't actually done any...
Stewie: “turns out Jesus is Asian”
Brian: “really?!”
Stewie: “yeah it’s Jesus Chang he has no idea where people are getting Christ from”🤣
Christian’s punching air 😹
as an asian that's offensive, we don't want to claim jesus. get that shit out of here.
Minor correction: Westerners often joke that "all Asians look alike," but to be fair, there are many Asians who will say "all Westerners look alike." As a Westerner having lived in China for 17 years, I can assure you that not only are there stereotypical distinctive features between Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese and other Asian populations, but there are also stereotypical distinctions between different ethnic groups within these countries just as there are general distinctions in European and Middle Eastern countries.
The people in the Korean Jesus painting do not look "Chinese," but do have a Korean look about them!
It is a fact that any race of people, who don't have much contact with any other race, cannot easily distinguish subtle differences in the facial features of that other race.
Thanks. I hesitate to talk about it. Happy New Year
I'm Chinese, and I'd like to say that I'm pretty good at distinguishing Chinese from Koreans and Japanese, even though I've spent all but four years of my life in the US.
I think Koreans would call this a “major” correction.
I grew up in a white Ameriican neighborhood, but thanks to working with a Japanese girl, a Chinese woman, and a Korean woman, I can tell the difference between them.
16:53 This is hilarious. People worshipping an all-American, Republican-voting Jesus accuse *others* of making him in their own image. 😂
It's the American way.
@@billfarley9167All the way!
You're just jealous because your god doesn't exist.
@@libertyresearch-iu4fy Currently, there are 4000 recognized faiths. Which you talkin' about 💀
Of course Jesus was not European. 1st Century Jews hadn't yet migrated to and spread across Europe adding that genome to theirs. But this image in this guys thumbnail is not accurate either. This image appears to have Sub-Saharan African genes which is equally ridiculous.
The gems from this video: "Jesii" and "I cannot be the only person who reads Christianity Today!" 😂
I'm using "Jesii" as the pluralization for Jesus from this moment forward!
It’s the Return of the Jesii !
I'm all in for Cheesus.
Okay, I confess, I like cheese.
If we’re going by Latin to pluralise Jesus, it would be Jesi, not Jesii (which would be the plural of Jesius).
Reminds me of the fox news lady who, after hearing a story about a black Santa for a bunch of black kids, getting upset and declaring Santa was white on national TV 😂
Hahaha! She was really *that* traumatised!!
does she know that Santa is a fairy tale, as is Jesus
@@richardcraniumXLVIIJesus is historical mythology, not a fairy tale.
I grew up in Sunday school learning about Egyptian pharaohs and the Jews leaving Egypt. They were always presented as brown skinned, but then we'd later show Jesus, pale as can be, walking around doing miracles. I was quick to realize, he's not supposed to look like that. This may also explain the white savior complex, too.
My wife was raised Jewsish, is now atheist, and has art history and anthropology degrees. We discussed early on in our relationship about various religions and their myths. Hearing Christianity talked about as "myths" put things further into context. How Christmas was placed around the Winter solstace to replace the pagan Saturnalia was interesting. How Zeus impregnated human women to make demigods, similar to Jesus, was also interesting as an origin story--and easy for pagans to adopt.
Besides all that, we discussed how all religions convert their religious deities to appear similar to them to help convert followers. Point being, even if the story of Jesus was real, the portraits in Europe do not reflect how Jesus would have looked at that time.
Jews are from the tribe of Judah. They did not leave the area along with the tribe of Levi and Benjamin. Although the tribe of Benjamin left ater. So most of the "Jews" remaining in what was Israel after the final destruction of the Temple were from the tribes of Levi and Judah. (reading available about the "Ten Lost Tribes.")
Although I am in awe of the genius of DaVinci and Michelangelo, their portrayals of Jesus as a European, did the world a disservice.
Of course your imaginary friend that you have a personal relationship with is going to look familiar to you.
These people think Asian means Chinese or Japanese. Same people wouldn't allow you to call Indians Asian. Or how about Russians? If the article had said he was Middle Eastern, the response might have been better. Maybe.
They get mad when hes called Palestinian
@@tc-tm1mythere's at least an argument for that one. He's supposed to be from a place in _modern-day_ (occupied) Palestine, but steelmanning their position, Bethlehem would historically have been in the Kingdom of Judah and later the Roman province of Judea, rather than the Philistine city-states from which Palestine takes its name, so it might be more accurate to call him Judean than Palestinian.
I said there was an argument. I didn't say it was necessarily a _good_ argument.
Depends how far the oil princes are up their arses, I'd think
The European tectonic plate runs from the Ural mountains in the east to Iceland in the west, and it's southern edge runs through the Mediteranean sea, Turkey, the Caucasus Mountaints (where we get 'caucasian' in an erroneaus late 19th century racial classification system), then some open steppe lands until you get to the southern Ural mountains again. Russia is European. Siberia, east of the Ural mountains, is on the Asian tectonic plate.
In the US, Asian typically means East Asian, whereas in Britain it would refer to the Indian subcontinent. Certainly Middle Eastern would have reduced the amount of confusion.
I like this video and want to check out all the sources. One correction: The painting you said looked Chinese was actually Korean. You correctly said so at the beginning and then switched to China.
I noticed that too. Figured he just had a slip of the tongue and completely missed it, but you are correct.
Surprised it hasn’t been said, “Man made god in their own image.”
Actually comedian George Carlin did, in the 80’s (I think).
@@kathypiazza7228 of course he did...
A committee of white men with beards decided on what our image of God is.
It just was 😊
Moses wrote or directed the authorship of the Pentateuch.
god is made in Moses' image.
Old delusional neck-bearded man from the desert with mystical properties and visions of grandeur. Prone to rage and obscene anger at the drop of a hat. Constantly blaming everyone else for everything that goes wrong. Refusing to take responsibility for his actions. Completely and totally obsessed with stories of k!ll!ng children. Using horrific practices and punishments to control followers and force conformity. Absolutely, diametrically opposed to reason and mans rational mind. Unable to comprehend the meaning of "justice" reverts to looking around and finding something *or someone* completely and totally innocent and blameless, and slaughtering it (him) instead. So that evil may love long and prosper in total forgiveness for their crimes.
I worked in an English-language school in Taiwan which bought a school from a Catholic convent. We were replacing some of the interior when the (Buddhist) owner pulled down a picture of Mary and the baby Jesus and said, wonderingly, "What is a picture of Kwan Yin (Buddhist goddess of mercy) doing in a Catholic school?"
Guanyin is a Buddha, not a goddess. Just for the record. Buddhism is not theistic.
Huh I never thought about how Bethlehem would qualify as Asia. Just always thought of it as the middle east but yeah that makes sense. There's also a paraphrase from a greek philospher that applies here I think "if you asked a horse to paint a picture of God they'd draw a horse". People perceive God as being them that really shouldn't surprise people.
Keep on doing what you do. It's heart warming to someone who is open to whoever, whatever is identified as Jesus. No skin off my nose as my father used to say.
Did they stop teaching geography in school? All they had to do was look at a map, FFS.
“GNAW” !☝🏽🥸
Their philosophy is, "stop thinking and start loving Jesus more".
Is not about geography, is the righteous outrage for those heathen daring to suggest, nay, imply that the god they created in their own image (and have a personal relationship with) might look slightly different.
Man conceives of his god(s) in his own image.
I recommend the book or TV series “Seven Wonders…” by John Romer.
He shows how the early images of Jesus, for the Christianity brand, were copied from Phidias’ statue of Zeus.
The statue was in Constantinople in the 5th century, and was destroyed in a fire. They copied from Zeus because he has a famous recognisable face.
Also Lincoln’s statue is copied from Phidias’ Zeus.
The face on the Turin Shroud is Phidias’ Zeus.
In “The Chosen” Nazareth sermon, Jesus adopts the seated Zeus pose.
My point is, it’s an artistic running gag, going back 2500 years.
The face on the Shroud of Turin is probably Jaques Delamoy(sp).
That pose is one taken from Egyptian iconography. The one seated is completely at rest with no suggested movement or visible emotion.
Such figures symbolized eternal power and timelessness. They were created as suitable vessels for the eternal spirit of the one portrayed.
Later Greeks copied a great many of the iconography of Egypt, including this idea of timeless perfection and power at rest.
The sculptor of the Lincoln Memorial statue deliberately incorporated that same iconography, heavily implying the eternality of the words of Lincoln, and the great power at rest that the executive office should represent.
Actually the very first images of Jesus we have show a baby faced, no beard, short haired guy, as it was common for young men to look at that time in the Roman Empire. Bearded Jesus came slightly later.
@@stephenolan5539Jacques DeMolay
Yep. The Romans much preferred the clean-shaven look. Beards were much more of a Greek thing
'Hey Ma, how come we're the only white people in this country?'
It sounded strange to me the first time I heard people from the Middle East described as "Asian" by someone from the UK. But, then I thought about it for a second and got over it because...yeah...that's the continent.
I think people shouldn't go hard on people for thinking this. Typically, when someone refers to a person as Asian, they're referring to people from Korea, China, Vietnam, Japan etc, and they're not going to think about Saudi Arabia, Israel, Syria, Iraq and India. I'm sure many people from these countries would be scratching their heads if they were told by the creator here and many others that they're actually Asian. I can understand why people might be confused by this as they probably thought that the publication was saying that the real Jesus looked like Genghis Khan or Hayao Miyazaki.
To me, this 'ah hah! Jesus is actually Asian' thing always came across as something petty someone says to feel superior to others similar to how pretentious it can come across to label yourself a 'freethinker'. Yeah, woah, dude, you are certainly a free thinker even though none of your opinions are in any way original and are, in some cases, just received.
In the UK “Asian” most typically refers to the Indian subcontinent, distinguished from east Asia and the Middle East. People in all these countries are well aware that they reside in Asia and are therefore Asian.
I'm British. I've rarely come across an Indian restaurant being referred to as solely an Asian restaurant. Closest I've seen have been restaurants that specifically say that they serve Indian AND Asian cuisine. Typically, Asian refers to countries like Japan, China, Korea, Thailand etc.@@capitalb5889
@@capitalb5889 I think they were referring to Pakistani people specifically, so that tracks.
Apparently none of them are aware that there are artists in countries other than the US. Which frankly does not surprise me.
Jesus was the only white dude in the village
And boy was he pissed!
LOL, I like that😂
He was also the only one who spoke English sence they think he is from Europe or something
He was like Tarzan
If that is true, Jesus was the ONLY "white" dude in the village.... Then Mary had sex with a Viking (Those guys got around)! OH wait. Then Mary had sex with a 👽
Nothing like social media to show us how ignorant some people are. 😮
I had been considering this ever since I saw "I Heard the Owl Call My Name" in middle school. It was the story of a Catholic priest with cancer being assigned to minister to a Native American reservation. One of the first thing he sees, when he enters his new church is a mural featuring Jesus with Native American features. I was Catholic back then and it made sense to me that everybody would see Jesus as being like them.
Yes in Catholic theology it's considered as a fact
I watched that movie. All this time thought that I was the only person that saw that movie.
@@Rosenetka To be fair, I'm pretty old, so I've seen a lot of movies that younger people may not remember.
I remember in school in the 1950s being shown a Chinese picture of Jesus and Mary.
We were told that nobody knew what the looked like so every culture represented them in their own way.
Ok that was reasonable
Jesus is just one of many characters in a storybook. My favorite storybook character is Zaphod Beeblbrox.
Bilbo Baggins...
“How do you respond to people this dumb?” I’ve been wondering this for years.
You don't. You just ignore them. Many aren't even that dumb they're just "willfully ignorant". You can't reason with the unreasonable. Just move along, nothing to see here. Do everything you can to stop them from spreading their lies and infecting the minds of others tho'. So arguing with them does have a purpose but only if there's an audience.
Heck, most of the Evangelicals believe the Bible was written in English.
Show them a map?
You can’t fix stupid.
' Jesus wasn't white my dude!' I need that printed T to wear to my oklahoma walmart! So freaking awesome. 😂
I'd worry for your safety....but it'd be hilarious!
Be careful, there...some reactionary might react badly to it and try to hurt you.
Depends on what part of Oklahoma you're in.
That region was a lot whiter back then before the arabs came.
@@donaldhysa4836 No it wasn’t. It’s ALWAYS been BROWN. White people just making things up with no proof or evidence to back it up. Stop Whitewashing everything.
I think they conflate being Asian with being oriental. Asia includes more than Han Chinese and Yamamoto Japanese
Jesus was Palestinian. That should really rile up the fascists.
I forget the artist but I came across a painting in a Renaissance art history book showing the Phaoroh's daughter rescuing baby Moses in a Tudor dress. 😊
Hysterical. May I ask which painting this is so I can go laugh at the blatant historical inaccuracies?
Three things, Hemant: 1. Happy New Year. 2. As a wise man once noted, never argue with an idiot, because they'll beat you down with their stupidity. 3. This is most Christians thinking - If you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullcrap. Also FIRST!
TH-cam just warned me to stop disagreeing with people or my channel will be terminated.
So, please apologize and stop arguing with me.
It's "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. "
Which is why I don't say anything when my coworkers blurt out nonsense at work. I value my peace and want to keep my job, TYVM.
his dad was invisible, so that might explain the blue eyes and lighter coloured hair...
LOL!
My favourite there is Franklin Graham ranting about how Abraham is from Ur of Chaldees. You know, in Southern Iraq that is in of course... Asia. It almost like they don't realize Asia is more than China, Japan, Korea and the Philippines and is literally the largest continent on the planet. The thought that the Middle East is part of Asia will just blow their mind into total confusion.
Man, if artists had kept with historical accuracy, how different the "West's" relationship with the middle east might have been!
They wouldn't have adopted Christianity. They'd have kept the pagan gods.
I doubt it, at least as far as religion is concerned. The fanatics of both sides would still war even if they all looked identical to one another (which some do even now). Religion and greed - the two war makers.
I can't believe we're arguing over a guy who likely did not even exist
I don't mind your comment, but leave Mithra alone!
Hmmm, I'm thinkin' he did but he wasn't supernatural or a deity; he was a man with a moral code that didn't agree with the powerful who ruled the land. Because he was charismatic, he needed to be silenced.
@@CKLee-rs4kl He was killed because the Romans were terrified of an uprising & Jesus had gathered a lot of followers.
Sorry but he absolutely did exist. Do you seriously think hundreds of people would die for a person that didn't even exist? These people not only thought he existed, but he was God and they had no problem dying for that. The fact Jesus existed isn't disputed even atheists can't deny his existence.
@cecileroy557 the Romans did not see him as a threat, the Jews were the ones who begged the Romans to kill him because he was a threat to the the Jewish leaders, not romans
A church group left a flyer on my front door knob. It had a rendition of Jesus with a short but modern hair style, a perfectly trimed beard, bleach white teeth, a skin complextion that looked like he spent hours at a day spa getting nothing but the finest skin care and perfectly manicured nails.
I kept the flyer for years just for the absurdity of what that church thought Jesus looked like in an era two thousand years ago.
To be honest, I have no clue what he looked like, but I would bet everything I own that he didn't look like that.
Depictions often show Jesus as well above average height for the time as well.
So in the term Middle East they don't realise that the East part literally means Asia .
Term "middle east" is just a Eurocentric concept. From the European persepctive, the part of Asia close to Europe is the "middle" East while the part of Asia far from Europe is "far" East.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the U.S. education system.
I know it's no longer socially acceptable to use the R-word, but seriously ...
The Bible says '...He had no form or comeliness that we should be attracted to him and no beauty that we should desire him..."
So Jesus was a black Asian Mediterranean man who wasn't attractive (he was ugly). Every Christian knows that. Jesus wasn't known for his looks, he was known for his wisdom and knowledgeable teachings.
It’s just a book.
@@powbobs Yeah but the point is even according to their own book they're wrong.
"every Christian knows that" makes a VERY large assumption that Christians read the Bible, or are even aware of what it actually says.
No, every christian doesn't know that or there wouldn't be this controversy. 90% or more of christians have never read the bible, they just believe what their preachers and others tell them what's in it. Sure, they may reference a 'bible study' guide and read select passages from the book, mostly given incorrect interpretations of what those passages mean, but they have never read the bible like a book. You know, by starting with the first word on page one and reading every word in order from left to right on every page until they get to the last word on the last page. Which I find hilarious seeing how the title of the book is literally holy book. It's right there in the title, book, so that's how it should be read, but they only pick passages from it willy nilly that support their preconceived ideas about the religion.
Why did you throw black into your summary? First century Judeans weren't black. This whole stupid black vs white history leaves out the fact that most people aren't either black nor white, but a shade of brown in between the two.
As a Pagan, I find this hilarious 😂
God created Jezus in His image. God was a black man. Or perhaps a woman?
Another take on theists of different religions arguing which of their imaginary friend is real.
as a Pagan, I find these monotheists and the power they possess very frightening
@@PaulaBean God couldn't be woman, woman was created from man's rib, RTFM.
What I find hilarious is that a lot of atheists and pagans are even more upset than anyone about this.
I would love to know, honestly, how many people that got mad for this could actually point to Asia on a map.
Its the same with Buddha...He was Indian yet in China and Japan he is portrayed as oriental and kind of a chubby person.
I love those regional depictions of the Buddha.
So... Cheesus was chubby?
@@JZsBFF he was thic
So *technically* Afrasian… 🤔
The area that Israel is part of is actually not part of the African continent.-it's part of the Arabian Peninsula that connects the Asian Continent to the African one. Africa & the Asian continents are two separate continents. They border very closely, though.
I've read several times that there's evidence that, during Jesus' lost years, he spent time studying Buddhism. That infuriates the Christians, too. I'm a former Bible-thumper, but realized that dogma is dogma, no matter the label you pin on it. Blessed be.
That is really a fascinating take on Christ' teachings. There are also purported tombs of Jesus (likely destroyed) and I think Paul, in India. Considering the exposure to Buddhism and other religions he might have had in youth in Alexandria, the considerable traffic between India and the ME, and the ideas utterly alien to any other western religion ("Behold the lilies..." etc.) in his teachings, the Indian sojourn is an intriguing speculation.
It's a nice idea. Sadly it's a myth. It is more likely that Jesus knew some Zoroastrianism.
*he spent time studying Buddhism*
Well the Buddha did teach Jesus to walk on water.
The gospel teachings almost certainly incorporate a generous helping of Zoaranstarism. (sp) My personal head canon about the gospels Jesus is that the figure they present is a mashup of multiple religious/political reformers, charlatans, and performers.
I've read that his teachings sound similar to those of Greek Cynics. I think Jewish beliefs were being influenced/confronted by other cultures and religions at the time and Jesus (or the collection of teachings attributed to him) was clearly a part of that process, whatever his influences
I'm a Christian and I realized decades ago that Jesus looked nothing like the most popular depictions of Him in the west. But it doesn't matter what he looked like.
same goes with Santa, the Easter Bunny, and other fairy tale characters
@@richardcraniumXLVII What's your worldview, if you have one?
Just wanted to thank you for your broad coverage of stories and news relevant to our community.
I absolutely appreciate your channel sir, keep telling the truth to these troglodytes.
Goes to show US schools need GEOGRAPHY TEACHERS.
Let's just say that the US needs education... and mental health care.
Learned something new today. Never knew that the Middle East was part of Asia.
What did you think it was a part of?
@@sureshmukhi2316the east /j
Yeah. I thought it was on the Moon.
Technically, the "Middle East" includes parts of Egypt which is in north Africa while most of it is western Asia. If we used "western Asia" instead of "middle east", people would have a better understanding of geography. Middle East and Far East are terms centred in Europe. it would be better to talk of eastern Asia, southeast Asia, southern Asia, western Asia, northern Asia etc to accommodate the forty eight countries that make up the continent.
Middle East is west asia
I once saw a black nativity scene at a Christmas formal in college. The best part was that with the 3 wise men, they had one of them white (since you usually have a white nativity scene, with one of the wise men being black).
Which demonstrates another assumption about the Bethlehem story. The Bible never mentions how many wise men there were, only that there were three gifts. It could have been 30 wise men or only two. “The gold is from both of us.”
So wise, they went and informed the Romans of the birth of the King.
I shopped for a nativity set for a friend but had to give up as they all had blonde Marys.
Isn't it generally accepted that the MAGI were from the east.... Persia / Assyria / Palmira so not one of them should be black.