My thoughts on modern day feminism | Dr Ade van Heerden | TEDxGreshamPlace
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Dr Ade van Heerden dived into an interesting topic of "Why modern day feminism is bad for our mental health", addressing amongst other topics, phenomenons such as women empowerment and how they affect a typical woman's psych Best known as former Miss South Africa 2017, Ade van Heerden is also a medical doctor who had her internship at a Military Hospital in Wynberg, Cape Town. Despite the glamour, she believes that medicine is her calling and her impact on lives has been through that platform.
At the Miss South Africa 2017 pageant competition, she emerged as the first princess, stepping in as Miss SA when Demi-Leigh Nel-Pieters left the position when she was crowned Miss Universe. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
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I love that someone disagreeing with modern feminism needs a disclaimer in the description box. That should tell you everything you need to know without even watching the video.
facts
feminism is a cancer to society just like cultural marxism is
its almost as if TED isn't really about promoting ideas anymore,
just putting them on a pedestal so they can be bashed...
@@benjipixel1438it has never been about sharing ideas, it has always been about sharing a very particular set of ideas. There is very little ideological diversity, so little that it discounts their overall message in my mind.
She's nervous cuz she knows how women are gonna wanna rip her apart for spitting these FACTS. 😩 Stay strong and speak the truth! This video needs more views. 💫
Not only women. Have you ever met "male feminists"? They are the cringiest f*cks I've ever seen.
@@cancelled_user men trying to get laid will murder for the privilege
@@DennisNeijmeijer huh?
“Speak the truth, even if your voice shakes”
@@thegameranch5935 huh?
Shame on you Tedx for needing a disclaimer for this video.
TED, remove this disclaimer. The entire POINT of a TED talk is to challenge currently held ideas and beliefs, has anyone who have watched this video see it as a threat to feminism?
please reply to this message if you think so.
I completely agree. Remove the disclaimer.
I don't see a disclaimer. Where is it in the video?
@@xarathos5168 description
Exactly! We shouldn’t have to put a disclaimer for subversive thinking. This isn’t hateful at all, and isn’t a threat to feminism either, just a healthy and well deserved critique
agreed.
Now TED is posting a warning that elements of this talk may be objectionable or distressing......
Facts can be very distressing to false ideals.
Trigger warnings.
You want to make a man angry? Let him catch you spreading lies about him. You want to make a woman angry? Let her catch you spreading the "truth" about her. There's your TEDx "disclaimer" suitably explained. It's an open apology for the gaping disconnect some women have between what they think and how they're actually perceived......only this apology's actually being given TO these women (by TEDx)...for allowing this unsavoury disconnect to be pointed out on their platform because they know it'll attract feminine "heat."
I find the disclaimer in the description distressing and objectionable.
Very power full and thought provoking, thank you for reminding us of the “I am kind of in control and out of control at the same time” quote.
In a world where unproven truths are flashed around by untrusted sources, we need more of her.
the funny thing is it those established sources who have harvested people trust for ages are now in the ultimate place of power where they know that no one can question them and if anyone does question them they can easily discredit them by saying that they (their opponent) is not a credible source. This is the kind of stuff we see happening on twitter and instagram through "fact checkers"
Man she is spitting facts 💯, need more like her bro
Modern day feminism doesn't only set back women, but especially men
Modern feminism is quite radicalized into misandry
have not finished the video yet, but i love the objectivity of this talk so far and i am inspired, it is not what people want to hear really but it is necessary that we all have a much open mind to absorb the reality of what is happening around us.
@@STARSALL011 Tell that the judge who desided, that the mother should be parenting the child, but not the father even if the kid is 7× more likely to get pregnant before the age of 18 (if it's a girl), more likely to commit suicide, more likely to end up homeless, more likely to commit crimes ect. when growing up without a father. We also have to say, that these numbers could be simular, when the father is parenting, but what it tells us is that fathers aren't parents 2. class, but should be equally likely be the one parenting, if the parents are divorced.
Minus the simplistic criticisms of modern feminism, nice words of encojragement for girls.
Thank you so much for sharing with us your thoughts on modern day feminism and talking deeply about this topic. I love watching and listening to you here on the top of the mountain in Italy, thanks to technology, TH-cam and TEDx.
Thank you for this speech. The 4th wave feminism has a lot of conflicting views around it.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Thank you Dr van Heerden, it needed to be said.
She brought tears to my eyes...amazing talk
That is what you call a real woman .. when she knew the truth what’s really going on with modern day feminism She had to put a stop to it and spilled a lot of beans in the process 🫶🏽
I'm just curious, is the stat about south africa at 4:20 comparable to that of say north america or the uk? What is the difference between those stats? Is there a reliable source I could look at regarding threats in the US?
Thanks for sharing. I wish you all luck on finding the value and worth you deserve. 🙏
@Yin Yan thanks, I assume that's short for sincere intellectually motivated person. Have a Great day 🙏
@Yin Yan I was born with one that's really good so not need to look for another. I hope your having a lovely day. 🙏
The talks are highly inspiring
Dang, only 4.5k views and just 30 comments in 6 months.
Very interesting to see 🤷🏽♂️
We’ll said, she’s the real example of what women before her worked to achieve, admirable!!!
I love her speech...
Equality mean equal oppertunity, not equal results. Equal results comes from not only hard work, but playing smart, improving yourself, taking on resposibility and accountability. Those last two things are yet to be seen by many.
Isn't equality of outcome a mith, that could never be achieved without forcing woman to "work with things" and forcing men to "work with people", because men are not as sozial and more interrested in things than woman?
@@touchgrass7834 it forces women to work for it, but the harsh reality is in an actual equal pace and oppertunity, many will find sadly working the career field is ultimately highly unfullfilling (unless youre lucky enough to land in a job you semi dont mind), plus material possesions arent everything. The ultimate downfall of this movement its like being forced to the plantation without even knowing it
And more to that, equal opportunity won't lead to equal outcome because people choose differently. Women are less likely to choose careers that are rather physically demanding.
This talk was logical, factual and amazing. However if you want to improv the society then have justice for men especially in divorce cases. These dodgy lawmakers will never want justice
Upload again...use a better volume.
From "Equal rights" to "We don't need men" as a 35 y/o man I witnessed all the waves of feminism.
Thank god for these women speaking up about their own community. God forbid a man point out these women's problems, they would get cancelled out of existence. Misogynist, sexist, ef u etc.
I don't usually comment, but this talk was really amazing...the title was a slight turnoff but I'm glad I watched it, srsly amazing.
P. S. Those shoes look painful
Yess queen. Keep up the good work, imbokoto🇿🇦❤🔥🔥.
Loved it!
Thank you for your braveness!
💥💥This is aging better and better!! 👏👏👏👏👏
Excellent video!
👏👏 wow, great talk
Equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
You'd be surprised how many women I've said this to have a problem with it in principal. They either don't understand it or they want everything to be given to them on a plate.
Maybe the average iq in the US just Low. I think it's below 100. But the brainwash strong there though. I mean it's kind of like religion or politics. When the belief intersects with their feelings, they most likely won't reflect and agree with logic.
Declaimers.. bad audio.. something doesn't feel right here TedX.
One myth she missed, that children will bring most woman more happiness than any career job or venture.
Very true.
Such an inspiration. Thank you !!
I. ABSOLUTELY. LOVE. THIS.
Same!
Why is there little clapping in the end compared to the beginning. Are people mad she’s right?
Probably because it was an incredibly weak and biased argument against feminism. I wouldn’t have clapped at that.
@@FionaColquhoun-st6mn uhuuuh. I think you're mad because you're the people shes calling out
I am gonna have a debate tomorrow between traditional and modern feminism , am defintely gonna be for traditional feminism. Can any body tell me a country who supports traditional feminism??
Real women are those who have guts to say these on camera.
Thank you🎉🎉
very interesting thoughts!
I think the topic was "My thoughts on feminism" not "my thoughts on women"
She said many good things but I would have liked her to say "I can no longer stand that feminism sow hatred in women towards all men because some of those men are our fathers, brothers, sons, husbands, teachers, workers, soldiers who They defend our country etc.
Amazing!
While I don’t exactly agree with everything she presented, I do feel it’s important to listen and acknowledge different views on what feminism is and what it means to others.
Represent Ade 🇿🇦
Represent who? The 1% in our country that have wealth and privilege? 😂 She's a medical doctor and beauty pageant winner... Not sure how she feels qualified to talk about what most women's lives are like in South Africa. She hasn't suffered a day in her life. Mammie en pappie het vir alles betaal en handjie vas gehou al die pad. Of course she doesn't think women are victims. I think the worst thing that ever happened to her was her R1000 nail breaking 🙄
Truly visionary content; akin to a book that introduced novel ideas. "The Joy of Less: A Minimalist Living Guide" by Matthew Cove
yay
This needed a disclaimer because??
I have a lot of questions
Equality of opportunity- yes
Equality of outcome- NO
Abide by that? Go crazy. I will applaud your success.
Minus the simplistic criticisms of "modern feminism" some nice words of encouragement for girls.
Separating young people from friends and family makes them more dependent on a movement or "religion"
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South African women are obese and shocking. Time to go to Nicaragua to find a wife.
@@smeekle2000 AUJ 😭😂😭😂😭😭
A disclaimer...
This video is getting unlisted & censored!!
I have a daughter i definitely i want her achieve everything with all the challenges i as a man have it too so enjoy Singapore don't keep complaining .
Feminism is not egalitarianism.
they really let anyone have a ted talk huh
Equality has to be in both field’s such as you don’t hit me I won’t hit you, Don’t expect to be paid equally when you work a different job. I could say more but let’s start there.
She should be the representative of feminism, she makes a good leader
Why? Because she grew up with wealth and privilege? 😂
Yeah of course she doesn't think that women are suffering in South Africa. I doubt she's ever been to a poor area... (Unless it was a photo session to donate). She's never suffered a day in her life in her rich neighborhood though. Mommy and Daddy payed for medical school, her pageant entries and anything her little heart wanted. She has no idea what a hellhole that county is for most people. Men and women included. She's just full of herself. Not a good leader.
The simple fact that more boys are born than girls, yet in the West, by the age of 40, there are more women than men. Why? Because men are much more likely to die from crime or suicide or accidents on building sights, or as police, firefighters and men in the armed forces. Girls are better educated because we have gone from 60% female teachers in 1974 to 96% female teachers in 2019. Education has been feminized, with the lack of male teachers and lack of fathers involvement in their kids, young boys are adrift.
Something seems a bit odd about the facts that women have earned more Bachelor's degrees than men for 30 years and yet occupy only 7% of top management positions. Can lack of ambition explain this huge discrepancy? Or perhaps the discrepancy is a sign that the deck is severely stacked against women, and they are responding to this by getting degrees in greater numbers.
But 87% of homeless in UK (Office for national statistics 2018) are men and 94% of all work place deaths are male (USA figure around 5000 per year).... see no point throwing out different stats about different things....0.0001% of people are in top management positions, the break down of male and female is independant of bachelor degrees or other things
In my final year in university we had 2 women in my field. Both married and got kids soon after they graduated. None ever worked in the field she studied for - which, in one case - is actually a loss because she was really, really good.
Bachelors Degrees for Arthritis.
Bad degrees. Can't do much with a degree in women's studies. And I know lots who end up staying home after having a family. The deck isn't stacked against women. If they want, they can rise in the ranks. If they embrace victimhood, they always have an excuse. Excuses get you nowhere. After I had my kids, work wasn't as important. I'm a manager now, but not sure I really want to be due to time commitments and kids activities. I like the pay though.
There are some 150 generally more degrees for women than men, many of them, like gender studies, is highly irrelevant and pretty unapplicable to most of society. College has, as an institution, taken advantage of a mindset that is nothing more than a bunch of women being duped by salesmen.
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I'm so confused. Because she don't talk about the things feminism really fights for, but about the things that are popularized by media which feeds on drama.
Then what do feminism really fight for?
Exactly. It was an incredibly weak and biased presentation that instantly reeked of religious brainwashing for me. Sure enough when I googled her ‘raised in a Christian household’ pops up. I knew before it ended. It’s almost like it was done at the request of her pastor it was so bad.
It didn’t speak about feminism at all.
@@FionaColquhoun-st6mn I wanna know about the goal of feminism. Cuz modern feminism is different for different people without a clear defined goal. I do support 2nd wave feminism but not the modern. Tell me about the goals of the modern one
@@NerdinessD reproductive Rights, equal treatment, respect, modern women gets treat like sh*t in work and at home
@@NerdinessD not saying that men don’t, not at all. But women get ra*ed and slaug*tered all the time because some guys can’t stand some woman didn’t want to give them a chance
No one cares about you so makes no point caring about what you think, the universe don't care what you think
are you ok bro?
@@burritomaster2 are you ?
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I think its safe to say who ever posted this video and wrote the description... was a woman.
As Henry Ford once said, "Whether you think you are right, or wrong. You are correct."
__You are what you think you are.__
Henry Ford was wrong. There are facts and truths, and then there are falsehoods and delusions. Just because I think the earth is flat, does’t mean it is. I am wrong.
Yrc
Lovely girl! And clever and truthful.
TED with a disclaimer... huh
College degree does not indicate how intelligent someone is the Wright brothers that built airplane did not even graduate from high school but accomplished something College educated people couldn't, Thomas Edison, Mark Twain, Charles Dickens and Dave Thomas were successful with out High School graduation also.
tradtypes acting like ''old school feminism'' was not hated lmao
What a women 👌
She's has know idea
The history of feminism, the first wave of feminism began in 4026 BCE, when the woman wanted to be equal to God , (Gen 3:5 ) God knows in the very day you eat from it , your eyes will be opened , and YOU, will be.. LIKE GOD , knowing Good and Bad For Yourself ,
First time I heard someone else make this connection
@@DreadlocksAndKeys.. Just returned from Houston Texas , as I went through LAX and Houston airports, I realized , other than myself , a few cowboys , and the pilots, there were only women ,wearing expensive, Wide Brim , High Top, Fedora mens hats, They've taken over the symbol masculine identity?
I think the issue when talking about gender-based violence, from both feminists and non-feminists, is how we frame it. Globally, and in many countries, there are more male victims of violence, but who is committing it all and what are the circumstances? Men are more likely to get into violent altercations as a result of pressures to embrace toxic masculinity. Women are also more likely to experience domestic violence, again as a result of toxic masculinity. So yes, women are not super-victims, but gender politics and feminism are still relevant.
Talking about the rates of murder between men and women and forgetting to men who the murders are committed by is very disingenuous especially when talking about South Africa.
Totally….. one and the MANY omissions and oversights of this talk.
Someone needs to tell her the difference between correlation and causation
Why do liberals hate facts
Soooooo true! 🤣
Several issues of logic and content here. 1) Many times more women die from domestic violence than men in the world. This is an indisputable statistical fact. Does this mean feminists go around calling all women -in general -victims? No. 2) One of the pillars of feminism is that women are overly sexualized and objectified. This lecture confuses a cultural issue or the influence of Hollywood for feminism. Uneducated Hollywood celebrities and behavioural trends in young women are obviously no source for what is modern feminism. Are there problems with modern feminism? Yes. But this talk did a bad job of addressing them.
I totally agree, she had some great points towards the end but a lot of confusion and generalisation.
Meh, who cares, Feminism freed men from the chains we never knew we had. You go girl, make your own money, pay your own bills so that men can finally live longer and retire earlier. Phew! Feminism for the win!
@@Sukunadagoat Avoid women as longer as you can and you won't be attacked plus get away from Karen's as soon as you see them and keep a camera with you
Sugar coated speech
Are u sure that women are shoen as victims though?
Did this woman just call fourth wave feminism 'Satan'???
That's harsh
It's facts
Satan has nothing on 4th wave feminism
I know truth hurts madam
Fast forward to today and women can't even define what a women is without getting canceled and we have feminism to thank for that!
SA women have lost self-respect all in the name of feminism and to be honest men have no desire to show love to women who don't understand their own value. How can women expect us to love them when they fail to love themselves? Sleeping around is not liberation it's devaluing oneself.
Nothing but toxicity, insecurity, lying, manipulation, deceit, 0 accountability, rotten to the core, moral compass lacking and guilt tripping
I don’t mind women having rights to vote but why tell people that don’t like to work all day to start getting jobs if anything this is a benefit for men and boys😂
TEDx talks, you should be ashamed of yourself for furthering the victim-hood and weakened image of women with that asinine disclaimer. You've unwittingly made the presenter's point entirely.
Things like that disclaimer, and the presumptive reasoning that goes with it, are the problem.
You, Ted Talks, have become part of the problem.
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She’s speaking facts
Wow. She is in incredible shape! And j just dig that South African accent! 😍
now why tf are you talking about how she looks when she's talking abt feminism?
@@lentilsarentverygood I agree
I'm so glad I have purple hair.
Daddy issues I see
I feel safe around other women
@@celestegarcia923 so?
....Ok?
This video is sooo problematic that I don't even know where to start
^^^^
Prove that you have a few good points. Because now. You said nothing
Can u start please? I would like to know
Yes, the truth is often problematic.
If you have any points, please share them.
this is such bs lmao
Truth hurts we all know
No it’s really not
Feminism is a mental disorder you have!
I wanna know why, Cherise
We don’t even live in a patriarchy🤦🏼